parents and religion, when you're different

[Samwhore]

so my mother is a catholic, and my father is a christian, they have a had a few minor arguements on how to religiously raise my sister and I, but my father said to leave it alone and let us (my sister and I) to decide for ourselves.

Well, I have no idea where my sister stands on her religious beliefs, but i do think she believes in God.

Myself on the other hand.... I take a few religious beliefs that are considered evil, wicked, and heretic.

When I somewhat told my mom where I stood on religion, she said that I'm going to hell. I kind of bothered me, and I dont really know how to deal with it. I dont want to talk to my mom about it, because I know she wont look at me the same.

[MastaChronic]

tell her to prove that there is a hell and it might shut her up...

[ericwt]

What exactly are your religious beliefs, Sam?

[birdgirl73]

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

[N3D FLANDERS]

tell her to prove that there is a hell and it might shut her up...

LOL
tell her also that "read the bible" and "just believe" are NOT real valid arguments.

[40oz]

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic. Sam had it right. My parents are both Catholic and my mom is incredibly religious. I would never be able to tell her that i think god is whatever you want it to be.

[Samwhore]

What exactly are your religious beliefs, Sam?

I am a satanist, but will not say what else I am, people will flame me if I say, so I wont

[40oz]

If it is your belief you shouldnt be ashamed of it

[Samwhore]

If it is your belief you shouldnt be ashamed of it

Im not my mother is

[40oz]

I am a satanist, but will not say what else I am, people will flame me if I say, so I wont

???

[slipknotpsycho]

i don't know what to tell you, but i i disbelieve in god, and if he IS real, i hate him... but i plan on letting my son make up his own mind, and i will.... parents that force religion on their child should be punished for it... anyone that tells anyone else how to think and what to believe should be punished....

i'd tell your mom to back off, and that the decision in what to believe in (if anything) is YOUR DECISION.... and it shouldn't be any other way... if she has a problem with it... well... there's nothing you can do... i've learned [generally] when a christian thinks they are right, they WILL NOT back down, no matter what...

[N3D FLANDERS]

trust me you will be flamed if you don't tell
plus you have the anonymity of the internet so who cares?

[Samwhore]

trust me you will be flamed if you don't tell
plus you have the anonymity of the internet so who cares?

the mods will ban me, they will think im racist

[ericwt]

I don't think people will flame you for your beliefs. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

That's a tough one there. I had a similar problem when I was younger. I just kept it hidden so it would not cause conflict.

Christianity and Satanism are pretty different.

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

[40oz]

if you get banned for your religion i will shake my fist in the air in anger for you.

[Fengzi]

Catholics are Christians, Sam. They're the original Christians. Do you mean your dad is a Protestant Christian? (Meaning a non-Catholic Christian of a somehwat newer denomination more recent than the Protestant Reformation?)

I take it you've never met any "Christians" Birdgirl. Trust me, if you did you'd know exactly what Sam meant.

[Samwhore]

if you get banned for your religion i will shake my fist in the air in anger for you.

the 2nd part is not a religion, its a belief that a few people follow

[Samwhore]

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

Im still deciding

[40oz]

So its something like your a nazi?

[Samwhore]

So its something like your a nazi?

thats the idea, if i said i was a nazi, people would get mad

and i doubt the mods would appreciate that

[ericwt]

Well without stepping into religion and personal beliefs I will tell you there is no way a serious Christan parent is going to be okay with this.

They conflict with each other. I would just keep your way secret. It is less of a pain in the ass that way.

But maybe some others have ideas.

Good Luck you are going to need it.

[birdgirl73]

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic. Sam had it right. My parents are both Catholic and my mom is incredibly religious. I would never be able to tell her that i think god is whatever you want it to be.
I think you must have misunderstood what I was asking her. I didn't say that all Christians were Catholic. Everyone with even the most basic understanding of religion knows that.

[Samwhore]

Yes Birdie, thats what I meant, I dont know what my dad is, he doesnt either, he just calls himself "Christian"

[birdgirl73]

So are they really not OK with your believing what you want to believe? I hope my son will believe whatever he wants, including being religious if it makes him happy. I doubt that'll happen, though. He's been raised very freely, and I doubt he'll suddenly change over to serious formal religion.

[Samwhore]

Are you into Anton La vey or the Left hand path?

I though about that, the left hand path doesnt really seem satanist to me, so im going La Vey

[Samwhore]

So are they really not OK with your believing what you want to believe?

If they were okay with it I would have told them and this thread would have never been here

[40oz]

What draws you to satanistic beliefs so much if you dont mind me asking.

[birdgirl73]

I take it you've never met any "Christians" Birdgirl. Trust me, if you did you'd know exactly what Sam meant.
I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? I'm not sure because I can't hear your tone of voice and because I was raised so religiously freely that I don't always fully comprehend how more formal religion affects folks, but I do see plenty of chest-puffing, prideful "Christians" around here if that's what you were referring to. I may be a Unitarian, but I do live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

[Thepossumdance]

so wait who's a nazi?

^ high ^

[Fengzi]

I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? .
Exactly Birdgirl. Like the people who moved in next door to my parents house. My wife and I had gone over to visit and as we got out of the car they came up to introduce themselves. Within the first 5 minutes of meeting them they had made a point of of telling us they were "Christians" and asked if we were too. We explained we were Godless heathens and now they don't have much to say to us anymore. In contrast, the Muslim family that lives on the other side are some of the nicest people you could ever want to meet. Just goes to show it's a person's character, not their religion, that makes them a good or bad person.

[geonagual]

religion is a matter of choice.
I have investigated and experience a number of religions, but it alll boiled down to one thing. I don't believe in a God or Satan. So, it really throws things off.


What do satanist's believe?

just curious, I have never really read that much about it. I used to listen to Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Slayer though.

[JunkYard]

I don't think satanist actually believe in, or worship "Satan", but rather value what he stands/stood for. "Do what thou wilt" (Aliester Crowly) Anton Levay created the Church of Satan, and they basicly believe in doing whatever you want if you find it enjoyable. It's all about pleasure,and I've seen no real evedence of sacrifice, or dumb sh!t like that.. ..It's a selfish religion, but pretty harmless for the most part.


That's my understanding, anyway. Of course, I'm not a satanist, I've just read about them. ..


Junk~

[geonagual]

I don't think satanist actually believe in, or worship "Satan", but rather value what he stands/stood for. "Do what thou wilt" (Aliester Crowly) Anton Levay created the Church of Satan, and they basicly believe in doing whatever you want if you find it enjoyable. It's all about pleasure,and I've seen no real evedence of sacrifice, or dumb sh!t like that.. ..It's a selfish religion, but pretty harmless for the most part.


That's my understanding, anyway. Of course, I'm not a satanist, I've just read about them. ..


Junk~

Shit, I must be a satanist...

If that is all it is...then whats the point...I would just rather live life the way I want to than to have to attend the church or whatever. I hate wasting my time listening to one guy talk about stuff (religion) it seems so sheepish.

[JunkYard]

There's probably more to it than that, I'd think comradary, and shock value plays a big part in being a member. Plus, many do the whole orgy thing, which might lend a little inticement to the younger folk. They hate Christians, yet pretty much rely on them in a way. (from what I understand, lol!) They have their rituals, and masses, but it all comes down to freedom. Why anyone would feel the need to join a satanist church is beyond me, but many do and I suppose it's because they somehow gain some satisfaction from it.

[newbieb]

god is real and i have proof

[Samwhore]

For all you who have asked, heres a little satanist 101

The Nine Satanic Statements
from The Satanic Bible, ©1969
by Anton Szandor LaVey
[français (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/NineStatements_french.html)]

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his â??divine spiritual and intellectual development,â?� has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967
[Spanish (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/ElevenSpT.html), Croation (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven_Hr.htm)]

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



The Nine Satanic Sins
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987

1. Stupidityâ??The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. Itâ??s too bad that stupidity isnâ??t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousnessâ??Empty posturing can be most irritating and isnâ??t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyoneâ??s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsismâ??Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They wonâ??t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of â??Do unto others as they do unto you.â?� Itâ??s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceitâ??Itâ??s in the â??Nine Satanic Statementsâ?� but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when itâ??s fun, and with awareness. But then, itâ??s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformityâ??Thatâ??s obvious from a Satanic stance. Itâ??s all right to conform to a personâ??s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspectiveâ??Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraintsâ??know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxiesâ??Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality itâ??s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Prideâ??That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when youâ??ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, Iâ??m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aestheticsâ??This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. Itâ??s not whatâ??s supposed to be pleasingâ??itâ??s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of oneâ??s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

[Samwhore]

god is real and i have proof

I SAW GOD, it was so pretty, I took pictures in the sky too, but they didnt look like anything when i looked at them again, but i dont believe in what god stands for

[birdgirl73]

Exactly Birdgirl. Like the people who moved in next door to my parents house. My wife and I had gone over to visit and as we got out of the car they came up to introduce themselves. Within the first 5 minutes of meeting them they had made a point of of telling us they were "Christians" and asked if we were too. We explained we were Godless heathens and now they don't have much to say to us anymore. In contrast, the Muslim family that lives on the other side are some of the nicest people you could ever want to meet. Just goes to show it's a person's character, not their religion, that makes them a good or bad person.
I wish I could have seen that exchange! I take great pleasure in watching the color drain out of "Christian" faces when I tell them I don't buy their line of organized religious thinking or intend to buy into it. We have some neighbors who're the same way, and I have a cousin who's positively glowing she's so holy, pious, and proud of the fact that she "loves the Lord." Our favorite neighbors are a lovely Indian couple from Mumbai who have been appalled by the amount of proselytizing they've encountered since moving to Texas. It is indeed the character that matters. Live and let live. What a concept.

[ericwt]

Without going off topic this is a problem of differences of opinion between a Christan Mother and a daughter that is not of a Christan mindset.

To let you know there is more than one kind of satanist. Just like there is different forms of Christianity. I would be happy to discuss this in religion, not in this section of cannabis.com.

Sam I wish I could tell you something to help you resolve the situation with your mom. But there is nothing for me to tell you. As long as you talk of Satan to her, she will think you are going to hell. Nothing will change this.

I only hope you are not doing this to rebel against your parents and society.

In our lives, what we focus on will find us eventually. I hope you know what you are getting into.

[slipknotpsycho]

I think you might be referring to people who make a big deal of calling themselves "Christian" like it sets them apart somehow and makes them better? I'm not sure because I can't hear your tone of voice and because I was raised so religiously freely that I don't always fully comprehend how more formal religion affects folks, but I do see plenty of chest-puffing, prideful "Christians" around here if that's what you were referring to. I may be a Unitarian, but I do live in the buckle of the Bible belt.

then you have no idea how lucky you are... there are those fanaticals.. i just like to call them christians... cuz it's easier... that will dog you, and make or try to make you feel like shit (doesn't work on me.. haha those fuckin losers are wasting their breath on me...) because you don't believe.. i mean.. DAMN! it says in the bible we have freedom of choice... it's not like i'm doing the exact opposite and worshiping satan (no offense sam, i admit i haven't read through the whole thread but i did see that come up) no... they make you feel like complete shit just for not believing... can you imagine that? can you imagine how much worse off this world would be with just a few more of those people and a few less 'restrictions' such as 'thou shall not kill' ??? shit, it'd be the 'begining' all over again.. 'worship my god or die' ..... wait that is still going on... go figure... :mad:

[40oz]

Christianity destroyed my aunt. You can't have a 30 second conversation with her without her saying something about the lord jesus christ. Its so sad. she has no substance to her life. just jesus

[slipknotpsycho]

god is real and i have proof

loli can't beleive i missed this post...

ok where's your proof? dont' show me a passage in a bible, dont' give me some webpage describing it... i want video, or a picture of you both sitting together at deny's or some shit and i also want a special visit from him (shit if he's god he can do it, right?)

people who say they have proof literally make me sick... because no one has proof... that he does exist or he doesn't... period... you know why you don't have proof? because you haven't seen him, and neither has anyone else... you know my dad 'talks to god' and is god's 13th apostle... i suppose i should believe him too? even tho he 'has a pussy for jesus and gets blowjobs from jesus' and all this other shit... you know i'm more inclined to believe that's the crack talking, or his psychosis then god is real.. if you have 'proof' god is real, show it. otherwise you, and everyone else who thinks they have 'proof' needs to shut the fuck up... i'm getting really fucking sick of this shit.

btw i know that may offend some, and i've made a very reputable stand at changing... but i'm sick of it... i have no problem with those who believe and have faith in god... i have a problem with those who act like they know for absolute sure that he's real... and all this shit... not to mention 99.9% of the time they're the ones that make the rest of our lives living hell (rest of us meaning non believers, denouncers or even fence sitters)

[geonagual]

loli can't beleive i missed this post...

ok where's your proof? dont' show me a passage in a bible, dont' give me some webpage describing it... i want video, or a picture of you both sitting together at deny's or some shit and i also want a special visit from him (shit if he's god he can do it, right?)

people who say they have proof literally make me sick... because no one has proof... that he does exist or he doesn't... period... you know why you don't have proof? because you haven't seen him, and neither has anyone else... you know my dad 'talks to god' and is god's 13th apostle... i suppose i should believe him too? even tho he 'has a pussy for jesus and gets blowjobs from jesus' and all this other shit... you know i'm more inclined to believe that's the crack talking, or his psychosis then god is real.. if you have 'proof' god is real, show it. otherwise you, and everyone else who thinks they have 'proof' needs to shut the fuck up... i'm getting really fucking sick of this shit.

Denny's. LOL

[40oz]

loli can't beleive i missed this post...

ok where's your proof? dont' show me a passage in a bible, dont' give me some webpage describing it... i want video, or a picture of you both sitting together at deny's or some shit and i also want a special visit from him (shit if he's god he can do it, right?)

people who say they have proof literally make me sick... because no one has proof... that he does exist or he doesn't... period... you know why you don't have proof? because you haven't seen him, and neither has anyone else... you know my dad 'talks to god' and is god's 13th apostle... i suppose i should believe him too? even tho he 'has a pussy for jesus and gets blowjobs from jesus' and all this other shit... you know i'm more inclined to believe that's the crack talking, or his psychosis then god is real.. if you have 'proof' god is real, show it. otherwise you, and everyone else who thinks they have 'proof' needs to shut the fuck up... i'm getting really fucking sick of this shit.

btw i know that may offend some, and i've made a very reputable stand at changing... but i'm sick of it... i have no problem with those who believe and have faith in god... i have a problem with those who act like they know for absolute sure that he's real... and all this shit... not to mention 99.9% of the time they're the ones that make the rest of our lives living hell (rest of us meaning non believers, denouncers or even fence sitters)

Damn you just jump at the opportunity shake a person's religious framework.

[slipknotpsycho]

Damn you just jump at the opportunity shake a person's religious framework.

meh, not sure what you mean, but i think i have a good idea.... and if you really think i jump at the chance now.. look back over my posts about a year to a year and a half ago... i've changed alot... especially on this subject... sorry tho.. i can only put up with so many people claiming to have proof over something that can't be proved before i snap and go off on them... like i said, have no problem with religion or faith (well as far as anyone else is concerned) but damnit, keep it to YOURSELF, dont' push it on anyone, and don't claim you have proof to something you can't have proof to.

[newbieb]

look at the person in newyork (you all know who im talking about) and try to disprove that there isnt a god and please state your reasons:D

[slipknotpsycho]

no i don't know who you're talking about.

[slipknotpsycho]

For all you who have asked, heres a little satanist 101

The Nine Satanic Statements
from The Satanic Bible, ©1969
by Anton Szandor LaVey
[français (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/NineStatements_french.html)]

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his â??divine spiritual and intellectual development,â?� has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!


The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967
[Spanish (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/ElevenSpT.html), Croation (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven_Hr.htm)]

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



The Nine Satanic Sins
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987

1. Stupidityâ??The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. Itâ??s too bad that stupidity isnâ??t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousnessâ??Empty posturing can be most irritating and isnâ??t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyoneâ??s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsismâ??Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They wonâ??t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of â??Do unto others as they do unto you.â?� Itâ??s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceitâ??Itâ??s in the â??Nine Satanic Statementsâ?� but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when itâ??s fun, and with awareness. But then, itâ??s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformityâ??Thatâ??s obvious from a Satanic stance. Itâ??s all right to conform to a personâ??s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspectiveâ??Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraintsâ??know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxiesâ??Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality itâ??s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Prideâ??That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when youâ??ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, Iâ??m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aestheticsâ??This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. Itâ??s not whatâ??s supposed to be pleasingâ??itâ??s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of oneâ??s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

meh, as i've said before i don't believe in god or satan, i don't believe in any modern 'religion' i believe in karma... my one rule is do to others as you would have them do to you.. and like wise...

but when you compare that to the bible (my wife owns that entire book btw, the satanic bible by anton lavey) satanism sounds alot more fair (with a few exceptions) and right then bibles sound... for anyone who disputes what i say, get people (this will be hard) that know nothing of either.. and ask them which one seems more fair, or which one appeals to them more...

[orange floyd]

For all you who have asked, heres a little satanist 101


The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1967
[Spanish (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/ElevenSpT.html), Croation (http://churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven_Hr.htm)]

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.



i find that one fucking hilarious every time

[Samwhore]

i find that one fucking hilarious every time

hahaha, I told that one to my friend "my religion allows me to beat the shit out of you"

thats one of the rules that I dont really follow, its there in case i need it

[Fengzi]

I read the Satanic Bible way back when (about the time I was booted out of Catholic school ;) ) and do admit that portions of it made a lot of sense. But, then again, it was pretty much all common sense to me anyway. My conclusion was that I did not need Christianity to tell me how to be a good person, nor did I need Satanism to tell me to follow common sense. I could do these things on my own without subscribing to another's code of conduct. Following my own instincts made me a far better person than simply adhering to a set of rules imposed on me by others.

My take on your situation Samwhore, is this: When I was reading the Satanic Bible, and the Necronomicon, etc, it was largely due to rebelling against the crap I was being force fed in Catholic school. It sounds like you come from a pretty strictly religious family and my guess is that your interest in Satanism is fueled by the same fire that fueled mine. But go back and read the Eleven Satinic Rules and the Nine Satanic Sins. Do you really need a religion to tell you these things. Calling it "Satanism" will just create a lot of friction in your family. Calling it "common sense", however, will go a lot further towards preserving your relationship with your parents.

That's just my 2 cents, and I may be way off, but think about it anyway.

[Samwhore]

Yes, to straighten one thing out, my family is not religiously strict at all. So im not doing this to rebel, I was never forced to believe anything and came to this religion on my own

[ericwt]

Well Sam I am relieved that it is the Anton LaVey way of thinking.

I have read everything that Lavey put out. I have owned all of his books and several other books about him.

Lavey basically scoffs organized religions and some of their teachings He is a great read.

Ask her to read the "Satanic Bible". Just so she knows there is no human sacrifices. It might reassure her to know that you are not conjuring demon creatures bent on earths enslavement.

Your mom loves you. I am sure you will get this worked out some how.

Natas Evil

[Fengzi]

Yes, to straighten one thing out, my family is not religiously strict at all. So im not doing this to rebel, I was never forced to believe anything and came to this religion on my own

Oh, ok, it was just a theory of mine. But what about my point of this being more a matter of common sense than a religion? I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just curious. Understand that it's been 20+ years since I read the Satanic Bible so my memory is in concept only, not the fine details. Is there something else that I'm missing that would qualify your beliefs as an actual religion and not just common sense?

[Pipe Dreams]

I am a satanist, but will not say what else I am, people will flame me if I say, so I wont


I hear ya, satanism isnt as bad as its cracked up to be though.

Satanism (the actual religion, not no bullshit) is simply indulgence instead of abstinance.

I went round and round with my when I was younger also, but in the end it resulted in me telling her to "fuck off, cause I dont believe in god.":confused:

[Samwhore]

Ask her to read the "Satanic Bible".

HAHHA, she'd flip a bitch that I even had a Satanic bible



But what about my point of this being more a matter of common sense than a religion?

Yes, but its also believing that God is the true "prince" of evil and that people who enforce and inflict religion are evil

[slipknotpsycho]

erm, there have been far more deaths and wars in the name of 'god' than any other reason in the world... i'd that's pretty 'evil' lol :p

[Pipe Dreams]

erm, there have been far more deaths and wars in the name of 'god' than any other reason in the world... i'd that's pretty 'evil' lol :p


Thats a mighty good point.

[partyguy420]

2 things i live my life by....

1. fuck god(and anyother higher powers)
2. fuck god and anyother higher powers...

but i do belive in some sort of "creator" personaly.... im not sure of what you should do sam.... seeing as how i was raised to pick my own religon, because my mom got draged to every church you could think of as a child, and even after all that, she still cant find a religon, as of now, shes studying a bit of the buhdist religons, all churches are fucked up in my mind... i mean my EXs parents and family are HARD CORE cristians... and her dad is schitzophrinic-split personality, and bi-polar... her sister is the same plus some brian damage.... and the way i see it... if there really was a god, her dad wouldnt be like that, and her sister wouldnt be like that... my ex wouldnt of had to be raped by 3 different guys in under 5 years(one of the guys raped her for quite a few years...) her dad wouldnt of abused her.... and her older siblings wouldnt be crack heads and meth heads.... i wouldnt be depressed if there was a such thing as god... and "god" wouldnt of taken my grandpa away from me... my parents wouldnt be divorced... so even if there is a god... i once agin agree with slipknot... and i say i hate god....

[frylok]

if i said i was a nazi, people would get mad


I think i know what your on about, correct me if i'm wrong tho.

Do you believe in racial hygeine? Meaning you think each race should keep child bearing/rearing and such within itself? example, you think a black couple having children is good, but like say, a black-asian couple having a child is bad?

correct me if i'm wrong tho, its just when you said you believed in somthing people might find racist, this sprang to mind.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Yes, but its also believing that God is the true "prince" of evil and that people who enforce and inflict religion are evil

though i would add that any deity would have to be malignant if it had any power at all.

[Samwhore]

I think i know what your on about, correct me if i'm wrong tho.

Do you believe in racial hygeine? Meaning you think each race should keep child bearing/rearing and such within itself? example, you think a black couple having children is good, but like say, a black-asian couple having a child is bad?

correct me if i'm wrong tho, its just when you said you believed in somthing people might find racist, this sprang to mind.

wow, that couldnt be any farther than the truth

[frylok]

wow, that couldnt be any farther than the truth

Cool. For the record, i DON'T believe in that racial hygiene crap, but like i said before, when you said you believed in somthing people might find racist, this just sprang to mind.

So, my apologies if i insulted you. I love llama's.

P.S. Tom cruise needs to to crucified. Or castrated.
Either one, i don't care, but SOMETHING needs to be done.

[ReUp]

I come from a similar background where both my parents were Catholics and do the normal church on Sunday mornings. They were never strict on me besides that they wanted me to go to church with them. I did this until I graduated from High School to give it a shot for them.

As I've gotten older I changed more into the 'If there is a God, Oh well, I'll enjoy my freewill' type of lifestyle and really do not follow any Catholic beliefs. My parents run a sort of 'don't ask don't tell' policy and I've been nothing but respectful about religion to them. I show respect to them and their religion and they give me space to do my own thing.

It seems to me that you are using your 'Satanism' almost as a weapon against your mother. She may truly believe you are going to hell. Sometimes it's better to remain silent about something than confront it face on.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, I'd say you should sit down with your mother and tell her how you feel religiously. But be respectful! Just because you may think that Christianity is complete BS doesn't mean you have to tell her that. Treat it like politics.

"1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there."

I guess my advice is actually summed up by the 1st three rules of your religion!

[Samwhore]

"1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in anotherâ??s lair, show him respect or else do not go there."

I guess my advice is actually summed up by the 1st three rules of your religion!

1. she has asked me what I think of god
2. she said "I want you to tell me everything, even the bad things"
3. ya forgot the 2nd part, If the owner of the lair disrespects you, kill him, she has...

yeah, exactly

[ReUp]

Sorry, I didn't get that she asked you from what you had said before. I take back what I said.