Say goodbye to europe....

[Bong30]

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Jan. 9, 2007 21:28 | Updated Jan. 9, 2007 22:27
Right on!: Say Goodbye to Europe
By MICHAEL FREUND



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If you ever wanted to see Paris or Rome before you die, but haven't had a chance to do so, you might want to hurry. Soon enough, most of what we now think of as Western Europe will be transformed into a branch of the Muslim world, which is sure to make it an even less welcoming place for Americans, Israelis and for Jews.

That, at least, is the unpleasant, yet entirely unavoidable conclusion to be drawn from Europe's headlong demographic drive toward oblivion.

Think I'm exaggerating? Consider a few cold hard facts.

According to a recent report by the Rand Corporation, "Across Europe, birth rates are falling and family sizes are shrinking. The total fertility rate is now less than two children per woman in every member nation in the European Union."

Needless to say, demographers consider a birthrate of 2.1 children per family to be the replacement level at which a society's population size remains stable. Barring large-scale immigration, anything less means decline and dissolution.

A research study published last year in the International Journal of Andrology found a similar trend, concluding that, "Fertility rates have fallen and are now below replacement level in all European Union (EU) Member States. In the 20-year period since 1982," it noted, "most EU Member State countries have had total fertility rates continuously below replacement level."

At the bottom of the list are Spain, Italy and Greece, where birthrates hover around just 1.3 per couple, leading some forecasters to suggest, for example, that Italy's population could shrink by one-third by the middle of the century.

Others, such as Germany's 1.37, the UK's 1.74 and Sweden's 1.75, aren't all much better.

The figures are so bad that in many European countries, the total number of deaths each year has actually begun to exceed the number of births.

Indeed, the Council of Europe's 2004 Demographic Yearbook warned that, "for Europe as a whole, more people died in 2003 than were born." In 1990, said the yearbook, "three countries - Germany, Bulgaria and Hungary - had negative natural growth for the first time. By 2002, it was negative in fifteen countries."

LAST YEAR, after the publication of statistics revealing that 30 percent of German women have not had children, Germany's family minister, Ursula von der Leyen, caused a stir when she said that if her nation's birth rate did not turn around, the country would have to "turn out the light." And while Europeans may be busy everywhere but in the bedroom, the Muslim populations in their midst are proving far more expansive.

As columnist Mark Steyn points out in his must-read new book, America Alone, "What's the Muslim population of Rotterdam? Forty percent. What's the most popular baby boy's name in Belgium? Mohammed. In Amsterdam? Mohammed. In Malmo, Sweden? Mohammed."

Last month, the UK Daily Telegraph reported that, "Mohammed, and its most common alternative spelling Muhammad, are now more popular babies' names in England and Wales than George."

This, said the paper, using typically British understatement, "reflects the diverse ethnic mix of the population."

But that "mix," so to speak, is rapidly changing - and not in traditional Europe's favor.

ISLAM, BY all accounts, is the fastest growing religion in Europe, spurred by immigration and high fertility rates. According to projections by the US federal government's National Intelligence Council, the continent's current Muslim population of 20 million will likely double by 2025




Every one say LONDONISTAN.... learn it know it live it...........

[HinduKush83]

I think your accusations are baseless and full of stupidity Bong. They sound racist and I do not appreciate that kind of rhetoric! Remember when the Ottoman Empire had control of south eastern Europe? Europe didn't all go Muslim even though it was dominated by them for around 800 years. All of the Iberian peninsula was under Muslim rule for a time and all of Europe didn't go Muslim either. These are classic examples that debunk your racist theories. It would be nice for you to go back to history class or take an Islamic studies course.

I think you are one paranoid SOB. I am not afraid of Muslims at all. I consider them brothers and friends just like any other people.

If people are going to convert to Islam, they are doing it of their own free will. It's the 21st century!

[Bong30]

I think your accusations are baseless and full of stupidity Bong. They sound racist and I do not appreciate that kind of rhetoric! Remember when the Ottoman Empire had control of south eastern Europe? Europe didn't all go Muslim even though it was dominated by them for around 800 years. All of the Iberian peninsula was under Muslim rule for a time and all of Europe didn't go Muslim either. These are classic examples that debunk your racist theories. It would be nice for you to go back to history class or take an Islamic studies course.

I think you are one paranoid SOB. I am not afraid of Muslims at all. I consider them brothers and friends just like any other people.

If people are going to convert to Islam, they are doing it of their own free will. It's the 21st century!


See dumb Lib.... we live in the 21st century... they live in the stone ages.

they want us to live in the stone ages with them....

ring ring schools in dumb Lib

Muslim Brotherhood
From dKosopedia
The Muslim Broherhood is a Sunni Islamist organization with branches in all majority Sunni Muslim countries.

[edit]Research Described
Ever since September 11th, I thought that Osama bin Laden created al Qaeda. He didnâ??t. I found this out as the result of a statement made by a friendâ??s boss. I took the statement as a challenge. He stated that we were engaged in a religious war and that if someone translated the names of the Islamic terrorist organizations, those names would provide proof of his theory. I thought this would be an interesting and ironic way to study terrorism because their principal enemies, the people of Israel, Jewish people give particular significance to the importance of oneâ??s name.

My research began with bin Laden. Al Qaeda translates as â??the base.â?� It is my belief that this is a reference to the creation of a non-state base of power which will eventually be used to supplant the royal Saud family and take over the land, wealth and power of the Arabian Peninsula. This model has been used in the past, and specifically it has been used in the conflict between Muslims and Jews.

In the years after the First World War, Zionists sought the creation of the state of Israel. They began with the British government issuing the Balfour resolution, but their dream of a Jewish homeland did not become a reality until 1947. The Zionists were busy and productive in the intervening years, in spite or possibly because of the adversity they had to endure. The Naziâ??s killed one quarter of all Jews in Europe and less than two years after their release from the concentration camps; they created a new state which was promptly attacked by their Islamic neighbors.

It is difficult to imagine that a nation, so new, could survive, let alone defeat a multinational enemy. To their credit, the Israelis did. They were successful because they had created their infrastructure and their military in advance. Unlike the Americans who didnâ??t have their affairs in order until more than a decade after their Declaration of Independence, the Israelis were fully functioning on day one because they had created their base of power, or at least they had defined authority and responsibility in advance.

The Palestinians, Yassir Arafat, copied this model when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization. They created an external base of power so that when the state of Palestine is created; those who created this base would have a reserved place at the table.

I believed that Osama bin Laden created al Qaeda. I was a little surprised to discover that he isnâ??t the revolutionary visionary. Islamists (those who believe in a utopian world where all follow the Wabbabist version of Islam or are killed) follow a venture capital model when they create their organizations. Organizations typically have an idea man and a money man. Bin Laden was the money man and the idea man was named Abdul Azzam. While OBL wasnâ??t the idea man, he is an ardent follower of the ideals. We must admit that he doesnâ??t live the materialist life of luxury that he could with his estimated wealth and that is a testament to his commitment to this cause.

Abdul Azzam was born in Palestine in 1941. He was a Sunni Muslim. I use the past tense because he was killed in Afghanistan. It is widely held that he was murdered by Bin Laden for two reasons. He was not in favor of targeting civilians because he did not believe the Quâ??ran allowed it and because OBL wanted control.

Abdul Azzam is credited with created three terrorist organizations. In addition to al Qaeda, he created Islamic Jihad and Hamas. Azzam was the principal force behind recruiting Muslims to fight alongside local Afghani men as Mujahideen (Holy Warriors). He set up the Office of Services of the Holy Warriors in Peshwar, Pakistan to fund, train and otherwise support this effort. He also traveled to the US and spoke in mosques and raised money for this â??Holy Warâ?� against Christians and Jews.

One of his most notable trips to the US was for the First Conference of Jihad which was held in the Al-Farook Mosque in Brooklyn NY. It was from this mosque that the blind sheik, Abdul Rahman and the â??93 attack on the World trade Center was to come. He was a classic anti-Semite and his hatred extended to the US, Britain and all other Christian nations.

http://www.iacsp.com/itobli3.html http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=388

The name Hamas comes from...

Azzam was a member of an organization called Al Ikhwan Al-Moslimoon , or the Islamic Brotherhood. This organization is (allegedly, supposedly, and whatever other qualifiers you need to feel comfortable) a Sunni religious social, professional, political, economic and scientific organization. It was created in 1928 be Hasan al Banna. Al Banna was an Egyptian school teacher. He named the organization for a group that was influential in the creation of the modern nation of Saudi Arabia. Al-Banna established the Ikhwan as a direct result of the reformer Kamal Ataturkâ??s abolition of the caliphate from the failing Ottoman Empire in 1924.

The Ikhwan are focused on six stated goals; building the Muslim individual, family, society, state, Khilafa (union of Islamic sates), and mastering the world with Islam. They are working to accomplish these goals by â??tarbiahâ?� or education. Hassan al Banna said, â??one generation to listen, one to fight and one to win.â?� Beginning in the late 1950â??s and early 1960â??s the Ikhwan began to support Islamic communities in North America. One of their primary means of support is financial. Al-Banna and his followers focused on setting up Islamic financial institutions. They also set up schools, professional organizations, social and cultural institutions. I believe that the most fundamentalists members of this organization serve as the unseen foundation for Islamic terrorisms.

Ikhwan before al Banna Saudi Arabia was created by its first king, Ibn Saud. Ibn Saud created his base of power by using the military might of a local band of nomadic mercenaries, the Ikhwan, and he combined this military might with the moral authority of the local Wahabbist clerics. Ibn Saud expanded his base of power with the Ikhwanâ??s ferocious and feared camel mounted cavalry until he controlled what is now Saudi Arabia. The nation bears his familial name.

Ibn Saud faced an internal revolt after he created his kingdom. The Ikhwan wanted to invade the neighboring nations so that they could be converted to Wahabbist Islam. Ibn Saud decided not to do this, so the Ikhwan revolted. Ibn Saud approached the Wahabbist clerics and asked that they consider the legality of the Ikhwanic revolt. This was a risky politcal move, as the Wahhabbists were in agreement with the Ikhwan that all non-wahhabists Muslims were apostate, and therefore infidels and needed to be converted. The Wahhabists clerics, after consideration of the Quâ??ran, issued a fatwah (religious and legal ruling) that the Ikhwan were wrong to rise up against the legitimate leader of an Islamic country. Ibn Saud used this fatwah to forcefully put down the Ikhwan. They effectively ceased to exist.


Hassan al Banna was born in 1906. He was the son of a watch repairer and Islamic scholar. When he was 21, al-Banna was hired to teach in the public school system. During this time, al Banna saw the living conditions that Egyptians who worked for the British had to endure. In March 1928, at age 22, al Banna along with his brother and five others gathered in al Bannaâ??s home and swore an oath that they would live and die for Islam. By 1934 the Ikhwan had more than fifty branches and half a million members and supporters in Egypt. The decline of influence of the colonial powers (Britain, Germany and France) in the Islamic world led to a power vacuum. Into this void, the Ikhwan found their voice and created their following. They created schools, mosques and factories. They followed the Marxist model of grassroots â??peasantâ?� activism. Membership in his organization was and still is cellular in structure. These cells are called â??usarâ?� or families. He became disenchanted with Marxist though because of the atheistic emphasis of Marxism. He then turned to a first cousin of communism, National Socialism. This interest in Nietzsche lead Al Banna to create a relationship with the 20th Centuryâ??s most powerful National Socialist, Adolf Hitler.

Hitler was nationalism was a reaction to the Versailles Treaty and his delusions of betrayal of the Second Reich. Al Bannaâ??s Islamism was a reaction to the end of the Ottoman Empire and Islamâ??s centuries long decline as a world power. Both were reacting to the reacting to the rising power of the west.

When Adolf Hitler was a writer, before he came to power, al Banna contacted him. As a result of al-Bannaâ??s letters, Hitler sent a member of his intelligence community to Egypt. Al-Banna created a spy network for the Naziâ??s in Egypt and then he expanded it to the entire Arabian peninsula. He also promised that the Muslim Brotherhood would kill the British when the Naziâ??s arrived in Cairo and Alexandria. Al Banna learned from Hitler the importance of â??educatingâ?� the youth.

Al Banna had a depraved view of the world. He taught that all pleasure of contemporary (western) civilization would result in â??nothing other than pain.â?� He warned against dating or mating non-Islamic women and advised his followers not to go to night clubs, drink alcohol, eat pork and not to befriend non-Muslims. He stated that to do any of these things would be condoning unlawful (under Sharia) and immoral acts and the consequences for a Muslim who participated in these would be doubled.

Back in Time in Palestine During and after the first World War, Palestine was a British protectorate. The British were a true colonial empire. Unlike the failing Ottoman Empire, they had authority. The British had a local figurehead religious/political leader named Amin al-Husseini. The British created a title for al Husseini. They called him the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The implication was that al-Husseini was the superior of all other muftis in the British Empire. Toward the end of the First World War, al-Husseiniâ??s delusions of power began to crumble. The British released the Balfour Declaration which stated, in principal, that the Jews should have their own state. Al-Husseini was furious.
The implications of the promised state of Israel to the Grand Mufti were dire. Not only was there going to be a tremendous migration of Jews from Europe, but they were not going to under his control. Al-Husseiniâ??s response was to begin attacking and killing Zionists. After a period, he began targeting all Jews (some had lived in Palestine for hundreds of years). Al-Husseiniâ??s actions caught the attention of Hilter. In 1936/7 Himmler was sent to Palestine to meet with Al Husseini. Shortly after the first Himmler/Al-Husseini meeting, the doctrine of the Third Reich changed. In its original model, the â??undermencshâ?� were to be slaves of the Third Reich. There is substantial evidence that Al-Husseini is either the principal architect of the Final Solution, or he is the loudest voice in Berlin to expedite the process.

The relationship lasted until Himmlerâ??s death (at Nuremberg?). Al-Husseini was to spend the duration of WWII in Germany where he actively participated in the Final Solution. Sources attribute the deaths of more than 500,000 Jews to the influence of Al-Husseini. Al-Husseini also stood up the 13th Waffen SS Balkan Division. The crimes committed by these forces

Had the British held al-Husseini to account for his actions, instead of exporting their troubles, history would be significantly different.

Al-Husseini set up a paramilitary wing of the Ikhwan. Their motto was â??Action, Obedience, Silence.â?� He also created a secret intelligence arm, the â??al-jihaz al-sirri.â?� This was the Ikhwan equivalent of Hitlerâ??s Brown Shirts (the SS) and Mussoliniâ??s Black Shirts.


The Muslim Brotherhood was expanded in Syria in 1935.




OBTW im not affraid of no stupid muslims..... Im affraid for my kids living under sharia Law.



what about london sliping into sharia law...you didnt say shit about that.

[Delta9 UK]

This is meant to be a joke right? I mean it is meant to be funny surely?

Have you ever even been to London? Slipping into Sharia Law - LOL If you think that you should go clubbing on a Friday night...

Besides its YOUR government that funded Osama Bin Laden and trained his cronies in thwe first place - thanks for that, great forward planning.

These threads prove you can cut and paste hate filled rhetoric that IMHO should get you fucking banned.

[Delta9 UK]

The Mohammed story is definately not true. In 2006 the top six boys names in the UK were ...1. Jack 2. Thomas 3. Joshua 4. Oliver 5. Harry 6. James. Muhammed is getting more popular but is far far behind traditional Christian names. In the lists of popularity the name Mohammed came... 2002 61st / 2003 59 / 2004 54 / 2005 23 / 2006 22 I also think it is extremely unlikely that the name is high up in any European country.

Same website LMAO

[Delta9 UK]

Meh I over reacted a bit there LOL - now I understand the Politics forum a bit more :)

Just as a brit the stuff about London just got me fired up.

The day Sharia law gets a foothold in the UK is the day I pick up a rifle and show them what freedom tastes like. Trust me Bong those intolerant fucktards will not (and cannot) win and Britain will not accept this.

I'm not about to let a minority of shithead misogonists cloud my world view of a whole collective group of people though - that is a recipe for disaster.

I hate Sharia law and you will find that these things you describe are not happening, not true and will not happen. I value my freedom and my ideology and if someone thinks they can come here and fuck with my world view they are dead wrong.

Britain is a LOT more right wing than you think. I'm a "leftie" but I would rather die than live my life according to these scumbags

[Bong30]

Now your Talking....

[Bong30]

This is the problem europe....

you will lose your rights a little at a time to the Muslims.... before you know it christians will be living in Ghettos like the jews were......


An Islamic NHS?




Muslims want an Islamic NHS

January 12, 2007


COMMENT ON THIS STORY

MUSLIMS should get special treatment within the NHS, a top medic claimed last night.

Prof Aziz Sheikh called for “faith-based health services”. He wants same-sex doctors, information to ensure treatments do not contain alcohol or pork, extra prayer rooms and circumcision for baby boys on the NHS.

The professor, from Edinburgh University, said in the British Medical Journal: “Muslims have the poorest overall health profile but there are few faith-centred initiatives aiming to improve health outcomes for our largest minority faith community.

“Many Muslims, to maintain modesty, prefer to see a same-sex clinician but such choice is typically unavailable. Male infant circumcision should be available throughout the NHS and more access is needed to prayer facilities.”

But Prof Aneez Esmail, of Manchester University, said: “It’s not practical. Members of the same religion are not all the same and their needs may be different. Going down this path risks stereotyping.”