3 x 5 x 6 grow space (1000 watt HID) Will it work?

[JunkYard]

I'm trying to decide on an HID light system for my room. I was going to use a 600 watt hps with a mh conversion bulb, (I was dead set on it, actually) then I found a great deal on a 1000watt cool tube system with switchable ballast. Now I'm worried about heat issues with this system, as I will be pulling air from the grow room and through the cool tube instead of from a cooler source. (outside room)

I'm planing on using a 6" 449 cfm vortex fan, and a 400 cfm rated carbon scrubber with this. I'll also use an oscillating fan inside the room to help with the heat. Do you think this will suffice to control heat using the 1000 watt in such a small space? (Passive intake 8" maybe 12")

I can get the 1000 watt switchable cool tube for just a few dollars more than the 600 watt would cost me. More light = more growth but NOT if I burn my pants to death. I would think the cool tube with fan would be enough but I'm not sure.. ..

What do you think? Will it work or no? If not, I'll go with the air cooled 600 watt system I had planned on getting, but I want the higher lumens now, lol!


Junk~

[bud luv]

It'll work for now... worry about the summer in a few months

[HiProGlow]

For such a small space, I think you're best off going with the 600watter. Heat is going to be a problem, even in the winter, trust me. Get the 1000watter only if you are sure that you can cool the air. What's wrong with starting out small? You can always uprgrade after a nice harvest. ;) Peace.

[xxxhazexxx]

For such a small space, I think you're best off going with the 600watter. Heat is going to be a problem, even in the winter, trust me. Get the 1000watter only if you are sure that you can cool the air. What's wrong with starting out small? You can always uprgrade after a nice harvest. ;) Peace.

as hiproglow said no need to use it,1000 watter = 8x8 with plenty of head room cos they get really hot.:rastasmoke:

[JunkYard]

Thanks and Cool, I'll go with the 600w hps system. :thumbsup:

This is what I've come up with for my Grow room so far.

Budget $1,760.00 (Aprox.)

EXPENSES

4' Fluorescent T5 light 4 lamp
$190.00

600w HPS system
w/powerhouse ballast,
daystar ac relfector,
and Hortulux bulb
$506.00

600w growmax mh
conversion bulb
$130.00

Dark Room Vent
$27.00

Mylar
$28.00

Insulated Ducting
$21.00

6" 449 cfm Vortex Fan
$159.00

Phat Filter 400 cfm
$150.00


Soil (Fox farms)
$48.00

Nutes (Fox farms)
$55.00

SEEDS

NL x BB (Decided against Ultra Skunk)
Hashberry
$82.00

TOTAL EXPENSES $1,396.00

SURPLUS $364.00


Haha, I feel like a little boy at Christmas again,:D but what am I missing that I can purchase with my surplus? I know I forgot a few things.. ..


Junk~

[xxxhazexxx]

very nice set up youre gonner have some fun,remember take your time, double check everything,read everthing about growing you can,and you only get out what you put in.( heart and soul):jointsmile: :jointsmile: good luck mate:)

[starmark]

you can get the light for $200 less if you look around

[teknonra]

put a couple of fans at floor level.
i made extra air vents from the blocked off window.
first build a 2"x2" wooden frame around the window.
leave the window open about 4", leave the curtains up, just close them.
leave a 6" gap in the wooden frame where you wanna run your air vent.
fit two 2"x2" wooden frame all along the wall, butting up to the gap so you've now got a 6" channel, (make it as long as you like) cover the end up.
then fit 4" battons every foot or so in the channels (first one against the inside top , next one up against the inside bottom one)and so on, so the air comes through a kinda 's' 's' 's'chicane.this also stops the light coming through.then cover over the top with the same wood you covered the window with.( filler any gaps)
hope this makes sense? this may also cure negative air flow problems.
i've built many growrooms over the years, always glad to help fellow growers.
if it don't make sense maybe i could send you a diagram?
when you fit your charcoal filter( suspended from ceiling by chains?) you can cut a hole in the window board to take the exit tube.

[teknonra]

oh forgot,
don't forget to keep a mother plant.
then you can clone next time.( it's quicker than seeds and a stronger smoke too!!)

[JunkYard]

very nice set up youre gonner have some fun,remember take your time, double check everything,read everthing about growing you can,and you only get out what you put in.( heart and soul):jointsmile: :jointsmile: good luck mate:)


Thanks.. ..

This has been in the works for almost two years now, lol! Been saving money, and waiting to find a good place to grow in. At first I only had like $800.00 to start with, then an old friend payed an old debt of $1000 a couple days ago. Needless to say, it came right when I wanted it most, lol!

I read all kinds of stuff, but mainly around here. I'll continue to do so, too. I don't know that I'll ever quit learning about growing; it seems there is always some new technique, and it's always good to refresh, imo.


Junk~

[xxxhazexxx]

them old debts come in handy ha,ha ,you sound like you have your head screwed on i bet you grow some lovely bud, keep us posted with some pics when you get set up :D

[JunkYard]

you can get the light for $200 less if you look around

yup, you sure can, but at a lesser quality. If you can find that light system for under $506.00 including shipping let me know because I'm always up to save some money. :thumbsup:

That powerhouse ballast is the coolest running, and quietest on the market. Plus it has an 8 year warrenty. I had to have it, lol!


Junk~

[JunkYard]

put a couple of fans at floor level.
i made extra air vents from the blocked off window.
first build a 2"x2" wooden frame around the window.
leave the window open about 4", leave the curtains up, just close them.
leave a 6" gap in the wooden frame where you wanna run your air vent.
fit two 2"x2" wooden frame all along the wall, butting up to the gap so you've now got a 6" channel, (make it as long as you like) cover the end up.
then fit 4" battons every foot or so in the channels (first one against the inside top , next one up against the inside bottom one)and so on, so the air comes through a kinda 's' 's' 's'chicane.this also stops the light coming through.then cover over the top with the same wood you covered the window with.( filler any gaps)
hope this makes sense? this may also cure negative air flow problems.
i've built many growrooms over the years, always glad to help fellow growers.
if it don't make sense maybe i could send you a diagram?
when you fit your charcoal filter( suspended from ceiling by chains?) you can cut a hole in the window board to take the exit tube.


Man, I hate that you wrote all that out.. ..I should have mentioned that I was growing in a closet, lol! Sorry, man! :smokin:

I just gotta figure out how I'm gonna set everything up in there.. ..

I think I'll stick with seeds though. There's just something special about starting from seed. Besides, I don't have a seperate veg chamber for a mother plant.. ..


Junk~

[JunkYard]

them old debts come in handy ha,ha ,you sound like you have your head screwed on i bet you grow some lovely bud, keep us posted with some pics when you get set up :D

Yes they do, lol! I had almost gave up on this guy, too! I've never grown indoors before, man. This will be my first go at it, haha

We'll see how it turns out.. ..


Junk~

[xxxhazexxx]

good luck :rastasmoke: :rastasmoke: look forward to it:D

[JunkYard]

you can get the light for $200 less if you look around

I looked around and found it for $30.00 less, and it comes with a timer, too! I'
ll keep looking.. ..


Thanks,

[JunkYard]

o.k I'm down to a 400 watt switchable, lol! fuck it, I can always upgrade to a bigger system later. I'm gonna make sure I can handle temps before I get a bigger light.. ..

$150.00 off my original estimate. The 400 watt should be plenty in such a small grow space, right? I'm not gonna overkill my first grow, lol! :D


Junk~

[xxxhazexxx]

sensible, told you that your head is screwed on

[Racerx]

I didnt even read the whole thread so maybe someone mentioned this already but use a 600 digital HPS ballast. They produce the heat of a 600 watt with nearly the lumens of a 1000 watt. They also can run both HPS and MH bulbs (although they will degrade the MH bulbs faster then a normal magnetic MH system). The ballasts themselves also stay cooler, so if your ballast must be in the room then every bit helps.

That being said, a 6" fan on one 600 watt lamp is going to be MORE then enough. Thats a lot of CFM. Ive run a normal 1000 watt HPS in a room smaller then yours without much problem (except on the really hot days which is where you need 2 fans, one sealed for the light and one for the room). For a room your size, to take full advantage I wouldn't run anything LESS then a 600 digital. A light with 100,000+ lumens, for best results, should really not be used on anything larger then a 3x3, but 4x4 is of course do-able. Not saying you cant get good results with a 400...but atleast make sure its a 400 digital ballast, which produces the lumens of a normal magnetic 600 watt ballast.

For reference, I run a single 6" fan to cool all 4 of my 750 digital ballasts. Granted its sealed, but gives you an idea. In my 5'x7'x5' grow box I run 2 600 digital lights with a single 6" fan, this time pulling air from the grow room like you want to. I have to use a speed controller or my temps get to low. Thats a 175 cubic foot room, yours is not all that much bigger. I like to have a CFM that is bigger then the room incase things get really hot or humid. I use an 1100cfm fan on my 1000cubic feet grow room. It can completely exhaust CO2 and stale air in a little more then a minute. This allows me to only run the fan on short intermittant bursts. Saves energy and other things.

[JunkYard]

Thanks Racerx! :)

One question.. ..if I go with the 600 watt digital, I'll still need to buy a 600 watt MH converson lamp correct? You can't use a smaller lamp like a 400 in 600 watt ballast, can you?

Thanks again,


Junk~

[Racerx]

Thanks Racerx! :)

One question.. ..if I go with the 600 watt digital, I'll still need to buy a 600 watt MH converson lamp correct? You can't use a smaller lamp like a 400 in 600 watt ballast, can you?

Thanks again,


Junk~

You use just a regular MH bulb with the digital system. Not a conversion bulb. The new digital ballasts use a microproccessor that allows them to run both types of bulbs. It also includes safeguards so that if your power goes out the light wont hot start immediatly. They maximize old bulbs as well.

But like I mentioned, because of the design, the digital ballasts will degrage an MH bulb faster. If you could get 3 grows out of a magnetic powered MH bulb, then you should expect 2 with a digital ballast. I replace bulbs every single grow (every 2 grows if maybe it was a short flowering and grow time) so thats not an issue for me.

That being said, I dont use MH. There really is no reason to. If you look at the absolute best/nicest grows around here or anywhere for that matter...youll find that 75% or more use HPS the entire grow. Some people claim HPS stretches in veg. Those people are using the wrong nutrients and leaving the lights too far away. I am not disagreeing that in the veg cycle the plant would ideally like a 6000k light (white/blue) because thats what the life cycle can best utilize at that time... But after growing for a few years and being around big time growers for 6-7+ years, I have never once been shown hard evidence that MH in veg produces more/better buds in the end. I know plenty of people that have run many experiements trying to find an advantage and its always been inconclusive. MH bulbs use more power and put off more heat as well. Therefore Ive never been convinced that the hassle and cost is anywhere near worth it.

Now, T5 fluros are a whole different bag of worms. I firmly believe that T5s can be a great tool for veg. They use less power and put off more lumens (although the lumens drop off drastically as you get farther from the lamp, hence requiring you to be only inches off the canopy). They also barely put out any heat. I use T5s for cloning and for the first couple weeks of veg. When the roots are established and there is new growth, I move them under the HPS. By this time they are strong enough to handle the far more intense light output and they blow up.

Ive been experimenting with a 400 watt MH for the last couple months and I can get more plants under my 6 T5 bulbs (4 footers) with tighter growth then I can under the 400 watt MH. They also seem to root a few days sooner under the T5 and my 400MH in my small closet requires air cooling whereas the T5s just need a 150cfm squirrel cage exhausting the closet itself with a passive intake.

[JunkYard]

You use just a regular MH bulb with the digital system. Not a conversion bulb. The new digital ballasts use a microproccessor that allows them to run both types of bulbs. It also includes safeguards so that if your power goes out the light wont hot start immediatly. They maximize old bulbs as well.

But like I mentioned, because of the design, the digital ballasts will degrage an MH bulb faster. If you could get 3 grows out of a magnetic powered MH bulb, then you should expect 2 with a digital ballast. I replace bulbs every single grow (every 2 grows if maybe it was a short flowering and grow time) so thats not an issue for me.

That being said, I dont use MH. There really is no reason to. If you look at the absolute best/nicest grows around here or anywhere for that matter...youll find that 75% or more use HPS the entire grow. Some people claim HPS stretches in veg. Those people are using the wrong nutrients and leaving the lights too far away. I am not disagreeing that in the veg cycle the plant would ideally like a 6000k light (white/blue) because thats what the life cycle can best utilize at that time... But after growing for a few years and being around big time growers for 6-7+ years, I have never once been shown hard evidence that MH in veg produces more/better buds in the end. I know plenty of people that have run many experiements trying to find an advantage and its always been inconclusive. MH bulbs use more power and put off more heat as well. Therefore Ive never been convinced that the hassle and cost is anywhere near worth it.

Now, T5 fluros are a whole different bag of worms. I firmly believe that T5s can be a great tool for veg. They use less power and put off more lumens (although the lumens drop off drastically as you get farther from the lamp, hence requiring you to be only inches off the canopy). They also barely put out any heat. I use T5s for cloning and for the first couple weeks of veg. When the roots are established and there is new growth, I move them under the HPS. By this time they are strong enough to handle the far more intense light output and they blow up.

Ive been experimenting with a 400 watt MH for the last couple months and I can get more plants under my 6 T5 bulbs (4 footers) with tighter growth then I can under the 400 watt MH. They also seem to root a few days sooner under the T5 and my 400MH in my small closet requires air cooling whereas the T5s just need a 150cfm squirrel cage exhausting the closet itself with a passive intake.


Thanks again, Racerx...

The digital ballasts sound great, but I was particulary wanting to try out the Solarmax lamps.. ..both MH and HPS. The digitals will not consistantly ignite them as they take a great deal of voltage to get them started. Can't use Solarmax lamps with digital ballasts.. ..

The best warranty I've found in a 600 watt digital was 3/2 years, which is pretty good for the digitals, BUT the Hydrofarm Powerhouse ballast (The one I've got my eye on) has an 8 year warranty, and I want something that will last, so I'm gonna go with the Powerhouse remote, and use the Solarmax MH and HPS lamps. These lamps sound like they are perfect for growing. If I were to get a digital (one day) I would probably get the Lumatek; they sound terrific, man! I'm also using the T5's, but only a 4' 4 lamp model. I'm gonna start 10 plants, and the 4 lamp model should put out enough light for that many; at least until I can put them under the HID.

I am also going with the 600 watt now.. ..you convinced me it would be alright in that size room with the fan I'm getting. Plus, I know i can expect a bigger yield using one. :thumbsup:

I've already started getting the closet ready for my first grow. False wall, shelves for the Carbon filter, vents, and general cleaning/disinfecting. I'll take som pics of the before and after and put them in my grow log when the time comes.. ..

What's best to use on the floor of the room, man? It has a hard wood floor right now, but I really don't want to get it wet, haha! I'm thinking some kind of plastic sheeting?

Anyway, thanks again, man! You just earned some karma! ;)


Junk~