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Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:43 AM

acrca

01-09-2007, 08:47 AM

ur stupid man those are just symptoms in your head that you can easily overcome while other drugs you HAVE to have them or you will get sick. i smoke every day then i take breaks sometimes and i dont feel anything wrong, id just like to get high thats all

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:48 AM

ur stupid man those are just symptoms in your head

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

Polymirize

01-09-2007, 08:49 AM

sounds like someone's got a weak will...

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:50 AM

sounds like someone's got a weak will...

Not at all. I think about smoking weed, but I haven't smoked in a week.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 08:53 AM

dude, there's no chemical compound in weed to make it physically addictive... there is no phyical withdrawl, it doesn't put any chemical in your body that your body becomes dependant upon.. and i'm actually betting you can't find these articles and that prove it physically addictive...

it can be, however psychologically addictive, and i am a victim of that... anything can be psychologically addictive... all the way down to water.. because it's psychological.... the brain makes alot of things possible... and things that create euphoria or pleasure, actually have a high rate of becoming psychologically addictive person to person..

i still will wait for you to show me any scientific article (and none of this government funded crap....) that shows how weed is physically addictive... until then, don't get the conclusion in your head that just because you can't say no, that it's phsyically addictive..

b0Ng h!tz 4 mE

01-09-2007, 08:54 AM

mentally addictive... not phyically addictive.. it has some addictiveness to it.. if you smoke tabbaco ud see what real addiction is

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:57 AM

I'm looking for the study now, sorting through the government's bullshit.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 09:00 AM

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050511134634.htm

Nearly two-thirds of the participants reported experiencing four or more symptoms of marijuana withdrawal, including anxiety, aggression, and irritability.

acrca

01-09-2007, 09:01 AM

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050511134634.htm

haha i really diddnt think he could do it

acrca

01-09-2007, 09:02 AM

haha i really diddnt think he could do it

but thats just talking about psycological withdrawl, not physical

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 09:05 AM

but thats just talking about psycological withdrawl, not physical

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 09:08 AM

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050511134634.htm

those are still psychological effects, not physical...

acrca

01-09-2007, 09:08 AM

I would consider all of those to be physical effects.

whatever man think wut you want but the truth is your wrong :stupid:

Polymirize

01-09-2007, 09:08 AM

anything else? I'd really like to see a study that includes a larger sampling than 14-19 year olds. Not that this study isn't impressive on its own.

I mean, just to consider your random sampling of 14-19 year olds, what are the odds that they're anxious, aggressive or irritable just because of where they're at in life, regardless of substance? Something pretty close to 60 percent or so one might guess?

Dare i ask for the study on adults that they seem to say they're comparing it to?

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 09:15 AM

Maui Wowie

01-09-2007, 09:21 AM

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

You can't spell gullible without u.

HinduKush83

01-09-2007, 09:24 AM

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.I have been smoking for about 8 years and I have not experienced any kind of physical withdraws whatsoever. Although weed can be psychologically addictive in the mind and can become a habit, there is no credible evidence supporting addiction or withdraws. If it was addictive, it would be ironic because cannabis is sometimes used to treat alcohol addiction and hard drug addiction. I can only go on by what I have experienced and as I have said, I have never experienced an "addiction" to weed. I don't smoke as much as I used to and I am not addicted in any way. I can stop smoking anytime I wanted.

Polymirize

01-09-2007, 09:28 AM

That study says the same thing happens with adults. And there's other studies out there, that's just the first one I found. I'm too lazy to find more, cause I'm a stoner ;)

Uh huh. I've never let my use of the herb become an excuse. Sounds like you just suffer from a weak will. I don't really need to see these studies because I have personal experience in quitting several times so I'm not going to do your research for you. Feel free to provide actual proof at any time though.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 09:29 AM

One site that agrees with you doesn't make it true.

I don't feel like searching so here is a quick link that say's your full of shit in a way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/cannabis/

"It may be psychologically addictive. Heavy users can display aggressive impulses if their supply suddenly stops, a side effect similar to that of anabolic steroids"

The BBC is reputable. Read more. One study isn't enough. If it were physically addictive I would not have been able to function these past two weeks without weed. Trust me I have an addictive personality and yup nothing but a slight psycho addiction that I get over in a day with out weed.

You are ignorant and make smokers look bad. It is said when fellow smokers buy into the bullshit. I'm not saying the plant is completely harmless because I'm not sure. But it isn't addictive like ciggs and booze.

xxxhazexxx

01-09-2007, 09:31 AM

ive been smoking herb 4 26 years your reading big bros hype

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 09:32 AM

Yes, we acknowledge that. Psychologically addictive. There are many things that are psychologically addictive, and they are legal. So who exactly are you trying to convince?

anything can be psychologically addictive.

I assume it would be possible to become addicted to t.v. or a certain show in that way. I'm sure there are people out there who "have" to see every episode of American Idol when it airs.

Those people should be shot, but that is beside the point.

Delta9 UK

01-09-2007, 09:35 AM

withdrawal symptoms, much like those experienced by people quitting cigarettes, cocaine or other drugs, may make abstinence more difficult to achieve

Meh, you could have stopped reading right there.

ANYONE with even half a brain knows that Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on Earth and comparing Weed to Coke LMAO!

This is too funneh:

Though there is anecdotal evidence that withdrawal makes it more difficult to quit using marijuana and that people use marijuana to suppress withdrawal effects, we still need to more carefully investigate how withdrawal impacts the quitting process

Hmmm OK....

Polymirize had it one IMHO

I have been a regular smoker since 18 (I'm 30 now) and have on several occassions stopped due to:

1. Personal Choice
2. Circumstances where smoking would have been counter-intuitive
3. Lack of good hookups
4. Travelling somewhere

Now I'm not going to say "everyone is the same as me" but I had no problems stopping (sometimes for a week sometimes months) and I only experienced a little trouble sleeping for 1 or 2 nights after as I adjusted.

I was smoking between 1 and 2 grams per day 7 days a week.

It's all about self control and weed is NOT physically addictive - you have the wrong definition of physically addictive - that's all.

For something to be physically addictive you need it to continue to function. Example: Removing a supply of opiates from a Morphine/Heroin user can actually kill them. Physical addiction goes hand in hand with your body becoming dependant on the substance in question. Remove that substance and parts of your body can begin to fail - seriously.

"Wanting to smoke" is no different to "wanting to wank" or "wanting to play a computer game" or both ;)

THC is not physically addictive, full stop - end of story. You have the wrong definition that's all :) Probably because you are feeling "physical effects" like insomnia and mood changes etc you would equate it with being physically addictive.

Wow Essay! I need to drink less of this addictive coffee!

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 09:37 AM

So shoot me. I "have" to watch every new House episode.

Lol, I was only talking about people who have to watch american idol. I haven't seen house, but I have seen american idol and wish people would quit watching it so they would stop making it. I'm tired of hearing people talking about it or seeing clay aiken all over the fucking tv.

LIP

01-09-2007, 09:38 AM

ValkyrieAg

01-09-2007, 09:56 AM

IF cannabis was addictive....

Then why can i smoke everday solid until my Christmas break when I visit family. I am DEFINATELY not smoking near them...out of respect. I'm sure everyone has experienced this. I have never had my friends say "damn Mar, you look horrible....you must be out of weed".

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:00 AM

I guess I'm mistaken on what the definition of physical addiction is (I figured wanting it was psychological and actual withdrawal effects were physical.) Big deal. Many people on here claim weed isn't addictive at all. That is the myth I'm trying to dispel.

LIP

01-09-2007, 10:03 AM

Maybe I'm mistaken on what the definition of physical addiction is (I figured wanting it was psychological and actual withdrawal effects were physical.) Big deal. Many people on here claim weed isn't addictive at all. That is the myth I'm trying to dispell.

Well, really it's not. I mean, yeah, it's can become a habbit, but if you havnt got any it's not going to really affect you, mentally or physically.

Not like cigs, heroin, coke and meth.

Cannabis smokers can just stop. And that would be the end of it. They may feel like they want it, but they wouldnt NEED it.

So really i dont think of it as being addictive. Maybe habbit forming at the most.

Polymirize

01-09-2007, 10:10 AM

I need to drink less of this addictive coffee!

Oh man, don't get me started on coffee. That stuff seriously is addictive. Physically, psychologically, and deliciously all at the same time.

ValkyrieAg

01-09-2007, 10:12 AM

Page two and this thread is already defeated and diffused? Awwww.:(

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:12 AM

Well, really it's not. I mean, yeah, it's can become a habbit, but if you havnt got any it's not going to really affect you, mentally or physically.

Not like cigs, heroin, coke and meth.

Cannabis smokers can just stop. And that would be the end of it. They may feel like they want it, but they wouldnt NEED it.

So really i dont think of it as being addictive. Maybe habbit forming at the most.

To add to what lip said. Cannabis is as addictive as tv, music, popcorn, sex, porn, etc.

You have proven nothing... and not exactly sure what your point is.

The reason people say that here is because they have never been addicted to it... the thing about psychological addiction is not everyone is affected.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:13 AM

Page two and this thread is already defeated and diffused? Awwww.:(

Not really. Only a small part of it :)

Delta9 UK

01-09-2007, 10:13 AM

Oh man, don't get me started on coffee. That stuff seriously is addictive. Physically, psychologically, and deliciously all at the same time.

Word!

I love my fresh filtered organic coffee, to be honest I think I'm a little too fond of the weed and coffee combo :stoned:

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:13 AM

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:14 AM

Cannabis is as addictive as tv, music, popcorn, sex, porn, etc.

When I stop eating popcorn I don't have trouble sleeping. Or yell at my gf for stupid reasons. Or feel anxious for no reason.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:15 AM

if it's addictive then how do u explain me stopping in just one day and not smoking again for 6 months so far eh?

Because as I stated it's a pretty weak addiction.

LIP

01-09-2007, 10:16 AM

When I stop eating popcorn I don't have trouble sleeping. Or yell at my gf for stupid reasons. Or feel anxious for no reason.

If you yell at your girl and feel axious because you havnt got weed you must be the only person on this site to do that.

Pretty sad really isnt it.

Oh well.

Still, it's not addictive.

You cant base a statement on your OWN experiece, everyone is differnt, in this case it seems your the odd one out cos your the only one here that cant just stop.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:19 AM

If you yell at your girl and feel axious because you havnt got weed you must be the only person on this site to do that.

The study I posted says otherwise. The incident I'm referring to wouldn't have happened if I hadn't quit smoking, I guarantee it.

You cant base a statement on your OWN experiece, everyone is differnt, in this case it seems your the odd one out cos your the only one here that cant just stop.

I'm not only basing it on my own exp. And I never said I couldn't just stop.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 10:22 AM

anything can be psychologically addictive.

I assume it would be possible to become addicted to t.v. or a certain show in that way. I'm sure there are people out there who "have" to see every episode of American Idol when it airs.

Those people should be shot, but that is beside the point.

~cough cough my wife cough~

and BF house is a bad ass show... i have to see everyone too... i even 'have to see' the reruns lol....

LIP

01-09-2007, 10:22 AM

He meant the withdrawal caused him to be irritable. I guess some kids who smoke weed all the time and don't take breaks won't experience withdrawal. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've experienced, and so have others. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

I've never had any withdrawl, but cannabis shouldnt make people angry. Or anxious. With it, or without it.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:23 AM

If you yell at your girl and feel axious because you havnt got weed you must be the only person on this site to do that.

Pretty sad really isnt it.

Oh well.

Still, it's not addictive.

You cant base a statement on your OWN experiece, everyone is differnt, in this case it seems your the odd one out cos your the only one here that cant just stop.

exactly LIP, u hit the nail on the head... Halcy0n dude its YOUR problem if your cranky at your girl because YOU can't handle being without weed... me personally i was actually crankier WITH weed cuz when i was stoned i just wanted my family to leave me alone to be stoned....

don't put US in the same room as you just because you BELIEVE you are addicted, it doesnt mean we are........

Peace,

now stfu and smoke so you don't yell at your girl because someone proved you WRONG! :D

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:25 AM

He meant the withdrawal caused him to be irritable. I guess some kids who smoke weed all the time and don't take breaks won't experience withdrawal. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've experienced, and so have others. You're in denial if you think otherwise.

dude when i stopped i didnt experience any withdrawel, and i was an everyday toker, goin through an ounce a week

so stick that in your bowl and smoke it :bonghit:

LIP

01-09-2007, 10:26 AM

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:26 AM

When I stop eating popcorn I don't have trouble sleeping. Or yell at my gf for stupid reasons. Or feel anxious for no reason.

I'm convinced you are an idiot and their is no point in even giving you a decent response to that.

But I will say this, you appear to use addiction as an excuse.

Maybe you snap at your g/f because you are an asshole. Maybe your are anxious because you are naturally an anxious person. And maybe you have trouble sleeping because you aren't tired.

Weed helps people go to sleep, makes people more pleasent to be around, and feel less anxious. Maybe you just forgot what you are like when you aren't high?

Perp

01-09-2007, 10:26 AM

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

Congratulations. You've just proven that cannabis is as addictive as caffeine. Stop the presses!

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:27 AM

I'd just like to take the time to ask EVERYONE who reads this to say is they yell at people or get anxious when they dont have weed.

The question should be are you easily irritated or anxious.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 10:29 AM

people who get cranky without weed, i bet also get cranky once they get used to any other drug in their system.. weak or not... same as caffiene.. of the addictions, that rates pretty low... people that get cranky over not having weed, and consume caffiene daily, i bet would also get cranky when their caffiene is taken away for a day or so...

physical withdrawl includes shit like, jitteryness, shakeyness, nasuea, vomiting, pain (physical pain throughout your body) shit like anger, irritability, anxiousness, short temper, may accompony symptoms of drugs that DO have physical addiction, but that doesn't mean those are physical withdrawl symptoms... they are psychological...

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:29 AM

The question should be are you easily irritated or anxious.

in that case... the answer is no ;)

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:29 AM

I'm convinced you are an idiot and their is no point in even giving you a decent response to that.

But I will say this, you appear to use addiction as an excuse.

Maybe you snap at your g/f because you are an asshole. Maybe your are anxious because you are naturally an anxious person. And maybe you have trouble sleeping because you aren't tired.

Weed helps people go to sleep, makes people more pleasent to be around, and feel less anxious. Maybe you just forgot what you are like when you aren't high?

I'm not using anything as an excuse. I'm normally a pretty calm and laid back guy. In resorting to name calling, you have just proven yourself to be the idiot ;)

I've said just about everything I'm going to say in this thread. You guys are now just bringing up shit I've already covered. Marijuana is addictive and if you think it's not, you're only kidding youself.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 10:29 AM

I'd just like to take the time to ask EVERYONE who reads this to say is they yell at people or get anxious when they dont have weed.

Please post yes or no.

Me... no, i dont because im not addicted to it.. concidering it's not addictive..

yes, i sometimes do get cranky when i don't have weed (but i still say it's not physically addictive.. anger is an emotion, which is psychological, mental)

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:32 AM

I'm not using anything as an excuse. I'm normally a pretty calm and laid back guy. In resorting to name calling, you have just proven yourself to be the idiot ;)

I've said just about everything I'm going to say in this thread. You guys are now just bringing up shit I've already covered. Marijuana is addictive and if you think it's not, you're only kidding youself.

Answer me this one question, How often do you smoke?

ValkyrieAg

01-09-2007, 10:32 AM

I was rereading the thread.....you have seriously been up for 36 hrs because you haven't had any pot?

Thats weak. Respect has been lost here.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:32 AM

Answer me this one question, How often do you smoke?

Usually daily when I am smoking

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:33 AM

I'm not using anything as an excuse. I'm normally a pretty calm and laid back guy. In resorting to name calling, you have just proven yourself to be the idiot ;)

I've said just about everything I'm going to say in this thread. You guys are now just bringing up shit I've already covered. Marijuana is addictive and if you think it's not, you're only kidding youself.

so i guess i'm kidding myself that i'm not addicted, even tho i havent toked for 6 months? :confused:

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:34 AM

I was rereading the thread.....you have seriously been up for 36 hrs because you haven't had any pot?

Thats weak. Respect has been lost here.

You don't respect me because stopping smoking marijuana causes me insomnia? Whatever floats your boat man.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:34 AM

so i guess i'm kidding myself that i'm not addicted, even tho i havent toked for 6 months? :confused:

Not what I said.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:35 AM

Not what I said.

yes it is

re-read your own post smart ass

ValkyrieAg

01-09-2007, 10:35 AM

Insomnia? Look at yourself in a mirror, and tell yourself. "I struggle from Insomnia because of my marijuana withdrawl"

If you can seriously tell yourself that, you must have a weak resolve. Yes, Respect has been lost here.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:36 AM

Yes, LIP. I get irritable for a few days and groggy when I take breaks. I also have real vivid dreams. This doesn't happen unless I stop smoking. So, Professor LIP, know it all of marijuana, explain to me why this happens? Is it all in my head? Yes. Case closed. Psychological withdrawal from the weed. I didn't say EVERYONE experiences it. In fact, I've read not everyone does. But some do, I am one of them. So even though you may not experience these symptoms, how in the hell would you know if I didn't?

Was he arguing the psychological addiction? Of course it can be psychologically addictive, but shouldn't even have addiction connected to it. I thought it was established that weed could be psycholoically addictive to some, but physically addictive to no one.

I thought we were arguing physical addiction this whole time. Maybe I'm to tired for this.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 10:36 AM

I smoke it if I have it. That's how I am. If there is weed in this house chances are I'll be smoking it. If it's gone, I don't freak out or anything but I will get a little irritable and cloudy for a few days. This is just normal for me.

that's how i am, and that's what happens to me as well... i don't exactly feel worn out, burnt out or sleepy... i just feel mildly tired, have trouble concentrating (not a whole lot, but i'm not as sharp as when i haven't smoked in awhile) and feel kinda 'laid back and lazy'

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:37 AM

If you can seriously tell yourself that, you must have a weak resolve. Yes, Respect has been lost here.

I've read plenty of other people's posts who experience exactly the same thing as me. And like some random dude on the interet's respect matters to me. I know I'm right, and if you don't want to believe me that's fine.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:39 AM

I thought we were arguing physical addiction this whole time. Maybe I'm to tired for this.

I realized on page 2 I had the wrong definition of physical addiction. Now I'm only arguing the psychological part.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:39 AM

I've read plenty of other people's posts who experience exactly the same thing as me. And like some random dude on the interet's respect matters to me. I know I'm right, and if you don't want to believe me that's fine.

so your ignorant aswell

"I know i'm right blah blah blah"

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:42 AM

You don't respect me because stopping smoking marijuana causes me insomnia? Whatever floats your boat man.

My point is this. You may just be an insomniac and the weed was helping put you to sleep. Without it, you would naturally have trouble sleeping. Everything you equate to weed are all positive effects of weed.

It helps many people fall to sleep, helps them not snap as easy, etc.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:44 AM

My point is this. You may just be an insomniac and the weed was helping put you to sleep. Without it, you would naturally have trouble sleeping. Everything you equate to weed are all positive effects of weed.

The insomnia always wears off about 5 days after quitting smoking. Before that time I have trouble falling and staying asleep. It's a pattern I've produced over and over again.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:45 AM

I realized on page 2 I had the wrong definition of physical addiction. Now I'm only arguing the psychological part.

Than their isn't much argument, but psychological addictions usually aren't serious. I suppose gambling and porn are the exceptions, but other than those, I really haven't seen lives ruined. I really haven't met a person who can't quite weed unless they have outside help.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:45 AM

Than their isn't much argument, but psychological addictions usually aren't serious. I suppose gambling and porn are the exceptions, but other than those, I really haven't seen lives ruined. I really haven't met a person who can't quite weed unless they have outside help.

I've said at least twice now it's not serious.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:47 AM

I've said at least twice now it's not serious.

Ok. cool, we can be friends again :D

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:48 AM

Ok. cool, we can be friends again :D

Cool, lets have sex.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:50 AM

whats wrong with being addicted to porn/sex? :confused: :(

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:51 AM

whats wrong with being addicted to porn/sex? :confused: :(

Nothing, I extend my offer of sex to you as well. We can have a threesome! The more the merrier I always say.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:51 AM

whats wrong with being addicted to porn/sex? :confused: :(

Nothing as long as it doesn't get in the way. Some people though will literally choose internet porn over a real woman.

LazySmoking420

01-09-2007, 10:54 AM

Give it a rest it's not a physical addiction, Study has proven In your mind you can get hooked. Marijuana is well known for having little to no hangover/"withdraw" effects.

Yes, a user can develop a strong mental addiction from long term use like myself but breaking the habit physically is a lot easyier than mentally.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:56 AM

Nothing as long as it doesn't get in the way. Some people though will literally choose internet porn over a real woman.

wtf!?? :confused:

and halcy0n i only do threesomes with 2 women :D

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:56 AM

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 10:57 AM

It is too a physical addiction! It also causes cancer and makes you infertile. Get your facts straight man.

thats cigs dude, not weed ;)

Pumpkinpie

01-09-2007, 10:59 AM

Well it's still symptoms even if it is still "in your mind."

LIP

01-09-2007, 10:59 AM

This is what that reply was to.
Prime example of LIP's ignorance to the facts.

Oh stop going on and on you silly little 15 year old child.

Cannabis is NOT physically addictive. Maybe mentally addictive [habbit forming] for some, but that's not addiction like cigs or smack is it. no?

So for fuck sake, shut your annoying little mouth. Go and eat yeah? Fill it with something.

Your always trying to act older than you are, and fucking hell is doesnt half show.

LazySmoking420

01-09-2007, 11:01 AM

It is too a physical addiction! It also causes cancer and makes you infertile. Get your facts straight man.

Yeah, Because millions die each year from a marijuana overdose. :o Get real dude and stop spreading lies about weed. Alot of kids come to this board and they may believe what you are telling them.

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:03 AM

It is too a physical addiction! It also causes cancer and makes you infertile. Get your facts straight man.

Lol, you need to get your straight, or just dont bother posting.

Cannabis does not cause cancer, infact it can stop some cancers from spreading, and maybe even one day be proved as a CURE.

five0addict

01-09-2007, 11:03 AM

ive smoked alot and had to quit. i did it cold turkey, no cheating. it was hard, really hard. at the time it was who i was, my name is High and found out the meaning. imo the best time of my life but i can hardly remember SHIT from it. feels like so long ago, havent recalled many events scince they happened so not much stuck, bummer. (off track DANM im rarely this stoned!!)
once you stop from alot of bud you feel this weight or veil being released and this feeling is like reverse stoned, actually feels ok.
i got though it and wasnt tempted for a few years. once i got my gf to smoke some bowls i ended up starting again, a supposed risk at the time. all lies.
i noticed no negative change, but im not a pussy and i can handle my emotions and urges. i know alot, maybe all, would feel something different.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 11:04 AM

It is too a physical addiction! It also causes cancer and makes you infertile. Get your facts straight man.

There is no evidence it causes cancer... some studies suggest it helps prevent cancer. As for making you infertile... ciggs do that, but have never heard of weed doing it.

I had finally ended this so I could go to bed and than you had to post that.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 11:09 AM

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:10 AM

We all know that, Professor LIP. You keep insisting it isn't addictive. Cannabis IS psychologically addictive. Speaking of maturity, how are those nice plants doing that you posted months ago? Some of you're posts reek so bad of bullshit that the only reason I don't call you out on it, is because I'll turn around and actually see a post of yours worth reading.

What ones? I've only posted pics of one grow, and that was last year.

I DO NOT claim to know everything about weed, i know my fair share and thats it.

Cannabis is habbit forming if anything, not addictive.

And what does posting pics of some lowryders have to do with maturity? Nothing what so ever.

If you dont like what i post, put me in your ignore list, because it doesnt bother me.

Your only what, 15? 16 at the most. Yet you act like your older, and it's more than obvious, and its fucking annoying too.

You may not like what i post, but that doesnt make it bullshit.

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:12 AM

Prove it isn't. :jointsmile:

2 words: Habbit Forming.

LazySmoking420

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

Aww... Let's all just roll up a big fatty and pass it around.

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

I don't want to have a flame war with you LIP, but a good amount of your posts get under my skin. I'm willing to shake and get over it if you are.

Well, alright then, i will.

But only if you stop trying to provoke me, which in reality is what your doing by calling me "professor LIP" when you know i dont claim to know everything.

If you dont like some of my posts, just dont read them. That's what i do with some of yours that get on my tits.

slipknotpsycho

01-09-2007, 11:17 AM

ok, LIP, BF return to your respective corners, and let it go... shit...

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:18 AM

ok, LIP, BF return to your respective corners, and let it go... shit...

Why, we've agreed to let it go now and get on with life.

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:23 AM

Some things I can ignore, and some things I can't. I'll call people out if I suspect bull. If you take it as a provocation then I'm all about settling shit on MSN. No need to do it on the boards.

I take you calling me stuff like "professor LIP" as provocation.

That's it.

If you want to talk about it, then i'll add you, but i dont really see the point, we've agreed to leave it now.

LIP

01-09-2007, 11:25 AM

I mean for future reference, if we get into an argument it'd be wise to take it off the boards.

Oh right, got ya. Ignore my above post's edit.

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 11:25 AM

Prove it isn't. :jointsmile:

i am proof

i stopped without a second thought, just like that, no withdrawel symptoms, no cravings for a smoke, no crankiness, insomnia yeah but i had that before i started smoking in the first place, and yeah at times when i'm really stressed or pissed of i'd be like "man i could do with a joint" but that doesnt mean i go out and buy some or get stoned with friends that still toke, and it soon passes anyways.

and for the record just so you understand here...

i... smoked.... everyday.... for.... 6 years.... smokin about an ounce a week, how old were u 6 years ago.... 10?

i point that out just to let you know that allthough i may not grow weed like most around here, i've had alot more experience with it than you, and have been smoking longer than you so should i not be "more addicted" than you are? ;)

that right there is my proof, it is not addictive, but it affects people in other ways when they don't have it

so shut up and smoke, quit tryin to prove something THAT CAN'T BE PROVED!

Peace

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 11:31 AM

I'm proof that it is. Stay with me for a couple days after I take a break. You'll notice a slight change in my mood. I'll be a bit cranky and irritable. Cloudy minded, but after about 3 days I'm fine as rain.

that doesnt prove shit, i can be like that if i don't have breakfast in the morning, or if i have to work late, doesnt mean i'm addicted to that shit

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 11:45 AM

But we're not talking about you going through withdrawal are we? Am I you? I don't think so.

so read the part where i said it affects everyone differently....

if it were addictive we'd all have the same "withdrawel symptons" like people do with cigs

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 11:55 AM

look mate i don't wanna argue, i do actually respect u alot, i'm just sayin it affects everyone differently, if you were addicted, u wouldnt be ok after a few days, u would WANT it all the time, doesnt matter wether its psychological or mental

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 12:02 PM

Dude, I'm going to e-slap you in a minute. Physical addiction is where your body CRAVES it. Mental addiction is where you only think you need it, but after a couple days you're fine. Read it up before I e-slap you with my e-glove.

lol.... you e-slapper

i dont care what anyone says.... me personally was not and never was addicted to weed in anyway

Wesley Pipes

01-09-2007, 12:13 PM

I'm not saying you was or ever will be. I'm just saying that it does happen to some people. Do we agree on this?

lol fuck it i'll agree just to stop arguing

b0Ng h!tz 4 mE

01-09-2007, 12:35 PM

dude id give up now since you cant really "prove" to any of us on this forum since all of us know its not phyically addictive from PERSONAL EXPERIENCES

CityBoyGoneCountry

01-09-2007, 05:05 PM

After I harvest my buds I have a hard time keeping out of my stash. But if the stash goes empty before my next harvest, I get over it quickly and it really doesn't bother me.

When I have it I can't stop. When I don't have it it's no big deal. The same thing is true of chocolate chip cookies.

Nochowderforyou

01-09-2007, 05:09 PM

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

It's been proven scientifically? Care to provide a link to this "proof"? :)

To some people, it may be addicting, but after 7yrs of smoking, I quit sometimes for a week at a time with no problems.

So if you some proof, I'll read, but until you do, you can't say it's been proven. If it's been proven, then prove it. :)

xxxhazexxx

01-09-2007, 05:50 PM

hello everyone as i said this morning ive been smoking 4 26 years now growing since 93 i can only go by me and my mates but weed is NOT add...... u will have more trouble coming off the cigs thats why we cant sleep no nicotine.

suhl

01-09-2007, 06:00 PM

weed isnt a addictive physically. obviously you felt like telling other people to do the research without doing it yourself. so go ahead, no independent research will tell you it is addictive. id find it myself, but hey , you know how to use google. not much more needs to be said on the subject.

When I have it I can't stop. When I don't have it it's no big deal. The same thing is true of chocolate chip cookies.

that is honestly the perfect way to sum up the addictiveness of weed, i have the same thing.

TresLeches

01-09-2007, 06:11 PM

Like so many things, such as bad reality shows, I agree that marijuana is addictive on some level. Chemically...probably not. We would know about this and more violent crime would be linked to marijuana. However, I don't think any of us should underestimate the power of a psychological addiction. The mind and body exist as one. If any one part suffers, the other suffers as well. Likewise, if any one part is healthy, it is more likely that the other part is also healthy.

That being said, marijuana has both helped and hindered me. I liken it to coffee. Having a cup in the morning boosts my motivation and my productivity increases. Drinking it all day throughout the day steals my sleep and give me a stomach ache. Marijuana relieves stress and I can honestly say that I have a good time smoking it (especially with friends). If I smoke it ALL the time, it's not as fun. But hey, if you smoke all the time, I'm not judging you. I just think balance is important.

delusionsofNORMALity

01-09-2007, 06:12 PM

wow, 5 pages arguing over semantics.

Fengzi

01-09-2007, 06:12 PM

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Weed is not physically addictive. For regular, daily users, it can be psychologially addictive but then so can everything else in the world. It has more to do with a change in your daily routine than anything else. The symtoms of "insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability " would also probably happen to a lot of people with the loss of a job, having a girlfriend or wife suddenly leave them, etc. It's also pretty common for people who move to a different country and experience culture shock. It's not your body, it's your mind that thinks it should be there so your body reacts. Plain and simple.

I had been a regular(1-2 times a day minimum) smoker for about ten years when I took a trip to Thailand. In the past, when I tried to stop or didn't have any I'd get the "insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability " too. When I went to Thailand, however, I didn't bring any weed and didn't experience any of the symtoms. Why? My guess is that it was because the whole experience was so different from my normal daily routine, that I didn't even think about weed. Sure, there were a few times when I'd think "it would be great if I had a joint now" but it wasn't the "damn, I gotta score a bag" feeling I'd had before.

With a physically addictive substance, like heroin, tobacco, alcohol, etc, it is your body that is telling you that you need it, not your mind. If I was a heroin addict and took a trip to Thailand I'd have either found some there or spent a horribly miserable vacation suffering terribly in my hotel room. Same with cigarettes. It wouldn't matter if my mind was distracted, my body would need the drug.

Just remember, anything can be psychologically addictive. Weed, the company of another person, sex, watching Letterman every night, or a weekly trip to Subway. Once something becomes a signifigant part of your normal routine, and disruption to that routine can cause "withdrawl". Some people are just more susceptible than others. But that doesn't mean weed is any more harmful than pussy. And, I'm sure over the course of history far more people have been killed for pussy than for weed.

delusionsofNORMALity

01-09-2007, 06:16 PM

make that 5 pages and counting.
i have the feeling that when i get home from work today you folks are still going to be hashing this out

harris7

01-09-2007, 06:22 PM

It's been proven scientifically ...
.

You know you cant just say that. It isnâ??t the magical key to having a strong argument.
If you want to use science, you must play by sciences rules.
Cite a source

harris7

01-09-2007, 06:22 PM

le vallette

01-09-2007, 06:38 PM

I have been smoking for 23 years .I have stoppep many times yes sometimes
but then I do not smoke all day, maybe a couple a night .
compared to othe drugs like coffee & tabacco, well its a breeze .

MastaChronic

01-09-2007, 06:38 PM

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

you sir....offend me.
weed has been PROVEN to be only mildly psychologically addictive, that is, less than 9% of the people who smoke weed EVER become addicted to it.
sleep is contolled by the mind, appetite is contoled by the mind and irritability....in the fucking mind.
theres nothing physical about it.
i suggest you study harder, dumbass

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 06:51 PM

wow, 5 pages arguing over semantics.

Hasn't it already been clerified though as to what the definition of psychological addiction is. I don't know, I have stopped reading this closely, so people may still be arguing over semantics. Either way I can't talk, because I made like 20 posts when this topic certainly was that.

Reefer Rogue

01-09-2007, 06:55 PM

Even if it is psychologically addictive, it CAN'T kill me. It's a plant, damn government putting concepts in people's minds and associating it with other deadly drugs. LEGALIZE IT! :stoned:

I say this a lot, but wow, I can't wait till i move to the Netherlands.

Buddahbear

01-09-2007, 06:57 PM

Bullshit. I'm a heavy user and when I don't have weed I'm fine. It's only addictive in the way that weed can repress depression, anxiety and insomnia and when you don't have it all of these things can kick back in.

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

Matt the Funk

01-09-2007, 07:10 PM

make that 5 pages and counting.
i have the feeling that when i get home from work today you folks are still going to be hashing this out

HASH!!! Anyways I don't really think it is psychologically addicting. At one point I did, when i first started I smoked pretty much everyday for 2 months and quit for a week....My mood was uncontrolable and I went into mania. Of course I realize I was using weed more as medicine and stopping any medication so abruptley is mostly certain to cause negative effects. And most people I know may crave weed, but it's only because they like it, it's not because they need it.

LIP

01-09-2007, 07:38 PM

Can we just call it habbit forming in a VERY small minority. Then can we just leave it at that, it's getting boring now guys, we've discussed, we've insulted and we've argued, but at the end of the day, it's not physically addictive, only habbit forming.
End of.

Tbh no more needs to be put.

coledog855

01-09-2007, 07:47 PM

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

Ummm, yes terminology DOES matter. Weed is no more addicting than anything else that's enjoyable.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:28 PM

Don't believe me about the cancer thing huh?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

I love getting a healthy dose of carcinogens every morning.

While we're at it, let's take a look at some more bad things marijuana does to you.

Some of marijuana's adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight disease. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.

Doesn't suprise me.

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. Depression, anxiety, and personality disturbances have been associated with chronic marijuana use. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off

You're all going to end up retarded one day.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:29 PM

thcbongman

01-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Someone hates marijuana :P

LIP

01-09-2007, 08:32 PM

orangeman

01-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Yeah, it is addictive :stoned:! Well not really. I mean when I'm sober or don't weed it's not like I just need it or go crazy without it but I wouldn't mind having it when I don't lol.

Psycho4Bud

01-09-2007, 08:32 PM

Most these studies are based on white mice.......them lil' bastards could develope cancer from getting a b.j.. If you like it, it'll kill a some white mice for sure.:stoned:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

LIP

01-09-2007, 08:36 PM

pshyco, if i give you some .... weed... can you just ban this idiot.. he's not here for the community, hes here to cause problems...

The weeds good... bear that in mind ;)

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:39 PM

We definitely don't want this stuff legalized... just think of all the people driving around on it! We already have enough drunk drivers, we don't need more high drivers as well.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/MarijBroch/Marijparentstxt.html#Driving

Marijuana affects many skills required for safe driving: alertness, concentration, coordination, and reaction time. These effects can last up to 24 hours after smoking marijuana. Marijuana use can make it difficult to judge distances and react to signals and sounds on the road.

There are data showing that marijuana can play a role in crashes. Studies show that approximately 6-11 percent of fatal accident victims tested positive for THC. In many of these cases, alcohol was detected as well. When users combine marijuana with alcohol, as they often do, the hazards of driving can be more severe that with either drug alone. In a study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a moderate dose of marijuana alone was shown to impair driving performance; however, the effects of even a low dose of marijuana combined with alcohol were markedly greater than for either drug alone.

In one study conducted in Memphis, TN, researchers found that, of 150 reckless drivers who were tested for drugs at the arrest scene, 33 percent tested positive for marijuana, and 12 percent tested positive for both marijuana and cocaine. Data also show that while smoking marijuana, people show the same lack of coordination on standard "drunk driver" tests as do people who have had too much to drink.

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:44 PM

He's another link about cancer:

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A36_0_2_0_C/

The latest evidence about the fraud known as "medical marijuana" comes from a study by a team headed by Dr. Sarah Nuttall at Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham, England. Epidemiological studies made during the past 30 years have found that marijuana causes lung damage and probably cancer. The new study took blood samples, measured lung function and tested non-smokers and smokers for antioxidant markers.

thcbongman

01-09-2007, 08:44 PM

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 08:46 PM

You have some drivers who are high stashed somewhere so you can release them when marijuana is legalized?

I guess if they aren't accounted for, it doesn't count right? lmao.

That post made no sense... probably as a result of the heavy cognitive damage marijuana causes. Half of the people on this board can't even form complete sentences. Grammar certainly appears to be optional here as well.

Psycho4Bud

01-09-2007, 08:50 PM

pshyco, if i give you some .... weed... can you just ban this idiot.. he's not here for the community, hes here to cause problems...

The weeds good... bear that in mind ;)

Must resist temptation.........forces compelling me to ban but must resist....UHGGGGGGG!!!!!!!

Thanks for the offer BUT this is a good thing here as far as I'm concerned. You got one person making statements against weed. COME ON PEOPLE!!! You want this legal? You want to have a sit down with the folks and give a convincing debate? Lets do it here and now! If nothing else call it practice.

As long as there isn't a flame war.....MUST RESIST TEMPTATION!!!

I am going to leave this in the lounge a bit longer then move it to activism............STEP UP TO THE PLATE STONERS!:smokin:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Reefer Rogue

01-09-2007, 08:54 PM

He's another link about cancer:

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A36_0_2_0_C/

Educate yourself friend.

1) Doesn't marijuana stay in your fat cells and keep you high for months?

No. The part of marijuana that gets you high is called `Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol.' Most people just call this THC, but this is confusing: your body will change Delta-9-THC into more inert molecules known as `metabolites,' which don't get you high. Unfortunately, these chemicals also have the word `tetrahydrocannabinol' in them and they are also called THC -- so many people think that the metabolites get you high. Anti-drug pamphlets say that THC gets stored in your fat cells and then leaks out later like one of those `time release capsules' advertised on television. They say it can keep you high all day or even longer. This is not true, marijuana only keeps you high for a few hours, and it is not right to think that a person who fails a drug test is always high on drugs, either.

Two of these metabolites are called `11-hydroxy-tetrahydrocannabinol' and `11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol' but we will call them 11-OH-THC and 11-nor instead. These are the chemicals which stay in your fatty cells. There is almost no Delta-9-THC left over a few hours after smoking
marijuana, and scientific studies which measure the effects of marijuana agree with this fact.

2) But ... isn't today's marijuana much more potent than it was in the Sixties? (Or, more often ... Marijuana is 10 times more powerful than it was in the Sixties!)

GOOD! Actually, this is not true, but if it were, it would mean that marijuana is safer to smoke today than it was in the Sixties. (More potent cannabis means less smoking means less lung damage.) People who use this statistic just plain do not know what they are talking about. Sometimes they will even claim that marijuana is now twenty to thirty times stronger, which is physically impossible because it would have to be *over* 100% Delta-9-THC. The truth is, marijuana has not really changed potency all that much, if at all, in the last several hundred years. Growing potent cannabis is an ancient art
which has not improved in centuries, despite all our modern technology. Before marijuana was even made illegal, drug stores sold tinctures of cannabis which were over 40% THC.

Even so, the point is moot because marijuana smokers engage in something called `auto-titration.' This basically means smoking until they are satisfied and then stopping, so it does not really matter if the marijuana is more potent because they will smoke less of it. Marijuana is not like pre-moistened towelettes or snow-cones. There is nothing forcing marijuana smokers to smoke an entire joint.

Experienced marijuana users are accustomed to smoking marijuana from many different suppliers, and they know that if they smoke a whole joint of very potent bud they will get `TOO STONED'. Since being `too stoned' is a rather unpleasant experience, smokers quickly learn to take their time and `test the waters' when they do not know how strong their marijuana is.

3a) Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?

The short answer: No.

The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.

The first one -- marijuana kills brain cells -- is based on research done during the second Reefer Madness Movement. A study attempted to show that marijuana smoking damaged brain
structures in monkeys. However, the study was poorly performed and it was severely criticized by a medical review board. Studies done afterwards failed to show any brain damage, in fact a very recent study on Rhesus monkeys used technology so sensitive that scientists could actually see the effect of learning on brain cells, and it found no damage.

But this was Reefer Madness II, and the prohibitionists were looking around for anything they could find to keep the marijuana legalization movement in check, so this study was widely used in anti-marijuana propaganda. It was recanted later.

(To this day, the radical anti-drug groups, like P.R.I.D.E. and Dr. Gabriel Nahas, still use it -- In fact, America's most popular drug education program, Drug Abuse Resistance Education, claims that marijuana ``can impair memory perception & judgement by destroying brain cells.'' When police and teachers read this and believe it, our job gets really tough, since it takes a long time to explain to
children how Ms. Jones and Officer Bob were wrong.)

The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

3b) If it doesn't kill brain cells, how does it get you `high'?

Killing brain cells is not a pre-requisite for getting `high.' Marijuana contains a chemical which substitutes for a natural brain chemical, with a few differences. This chemical touches special `buttons' on brain cells called `receptors.' Essentially, marijuana `tickles' brain cells. The legal drug alcohol also tickles brain cells, but it will damage and kill them by producing toxins (poisons) and
sometimes mini-seizures. Also, some drugs will wear out the buttons which they push, but marijuana does not.

4) Don't people die from smoking pot?

Nobody has ever overdosed. For any given substance, there are bound to be some people who have allergic reactions. With marijuana this is extremely rare, but it could happen with anything from apples to pop-tarts. Not one death has ever been directly linked to marijuana itself. In contrast, many legal drugs cause hundreds to hundreds of thousands of deaths per year, foremost among them are
alcohol, nicotine, valium, aspirin, and caffiene. The biggest danger with marijuana is that it is illegal, and
someone may mix it with another drug like PCP.

Marijuana is so safe that it would be almost impossible to overdose on it. Doctors determine how safe a drug is by measuring how much it takes to kill a person (they call this the LD50) and comparing it to the amount of the drug which is usually taken (ED50). This makes marijuana hundreds of times safer than alcohol, tobacco, or caffiene. According to a DEA Judge ``marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind.''

5) I forgot, does marijuana cause short-term memory impairment?

The effect of marijuana on memory is its most dramatic and the easiest to notice. Many inexperienced marijuana users find that they have very strange, sudden and unexpected memory lapses. These usually take the form of completely forgetting what you were talking about when you were right in the middle of saying something important. However, these symptoms only occur while a person is `high'.
They do not carry over or become permanent, and examinations of extremely heavy users has not shown any memory or thinking problems. More experienced marijuana users seem to be able to remember about as well as they do when they are not `high.'

Studies which have claimed to show short-term memory impairment have not stood up to scrutiny and have not been duplicated. Newer studies show that marijuana does not impair simple, real-world memory processes. Marijuana does slow reaction time slightly, and this effect has sometimes been misconstrued as a memory problem. To put things in perspective, one group of researchers made a control group hold their breath, like marijuana smokers do. Marijuana itself only produced about twice as many effects on test scores as breath holding. Many people use marijuana to study. Other people cannot, for some reason, use marijuana and do anything that involves deep thought. Nobody knows
what makes the difference.

6a) Is marijuana going to make my boyfriend go psycho?

Marijuana does not `cause' psychosis. Psychotic people can smoke marijuana and have an episode, but there is nothing in marijuana that actually initiates or increases these episodes. Of course, if any mentally ill person is given marijuana for the first time or without their knowledge, they might get scared and `freak.' Persons who suffer from severe psychological disorders often use marijuana as a way of coping. Because of this, some researchers have assumed that marijuana is the cause of these problems, when it is actually a symptom. If you have heard that marijuana makes people go crazy, this is probably why.

6b) Don't users of marijuana withdraw from society?

To some extent, yes. That's probably just because they are afraid of being arrested, though. The same situation exists with socially maladjusted persons as does with the mentally ill. Emotionally troubled individuals find marijuana to be soothing, and so they tend to use it more than your average person. Treatment specialists see this, and assume that the marijuana is causing the problem. This is a mistake which hurts the patient, because their doctors will pay less attention to their actual needs, and concentrate on ending their drug habit. Sometimes the cannabis is even helping them to recover. Cannabis can be abused, and it can make these situations worse, but psychologists should approach marijuana use with an open mind or they risk hurting their patient.

Marijuana itself does not make normal people anti-social. In fact, a large psychological study of teenagers found that casual marijuana users are more well adjusted than `drug free' people. This would be very amusing, but it is a serious problem. There are children who have emotional
problems which keep them from participating in healthy, explorative behavior. They need psychological help but instead they are skipped over. Marijuana users who do not need help are having treatment forced on them, and in the mean-time marijuana takes the blame for the personality characteristics and problems of the people who like to use it improperly.

7) Is it true that marijuana makes you lazy and unmotivated?

Not if you are a responsible adult, it doesn't. Ask the U.S. Army. They did a study and showed no effect. If this were true, why would many Eastern cultures, and Jamaicans, use marijuana to help them work harder? `Amotivational syndrome' started as a media myth based on the racial stereotype of a lazy Mexican borracho. The prohibitionists claimed that marijuana made people worthless and sluggish.
Since then, however, it has been scientifically researched, and a symptom resembling amotivational syndrome has actually been found. However, it only occurs in adolescent teenagers -- adults are not affected.

When a person reaches adolescence, their willingness to work usually increases, but this does not happen for teenagers using marijuana regularly -- even just on the weekends. The actual studies involved monkeys, not humans, and the results are not verified, but older studies which tried to show
`amotivational syndrome' usually only suceeded when they studied adolescents. Adults are not effected.

The symptoms are not permanent, and motivation returns to normal levels several months after marijuana smoking stops. However, a small number of people may be unusually sensitive
to this effect. One of the monkeys in the experiment was severely amotivated and did not recover. Doctors will need to study this more before they know why.

8) Isn't marijuana a gateway drug?
Doesn't it lead to use of harder drugs?

This is totally untrue. In fact, researchers are looking into using marijuana to help crack addicts to quit. There are 40 million people in this country (U.S.) who have smoked marijuana for a period of their lives -- why aren't there tens of millions of heroin users, then? In Amsterdam, both marijuana use and heroin use went *down* after marijuana was decriminalized -- even though there was a short rise in cannabis use right after decriminalization. Unlike addictive drugs, marijuana causes almost no tolerance. Some people even report a reverse tolerance. That is, the longer they have used the less marijuana they need to get `high.' So users of marijuana do not usually get bored and `look for something more powerful'. If anything, marijuana keeps people from doing harder drugs.

The idea that using marijuana will lead you to use heroin or speed is called the `gateway theory' or the `stepping stone hypothesis.' It has been a favorite trick of the anti-drug propaganda artists, because it casts marijuana as something insidious with hidden dangers and pitfalls. There have never been any real statistics to back this idea up, but somehow it was the single biggest thing which the newspapers yelled about during Reefer Madness II. (Perhaps this was because the CIA was looking for someone to blame for the increase in heroin use after Viet Nam.)

The gateway theory of drug use is no longer generally accepted by the medical community. Prohibitionists used to point at numbers which showed that a large percentage of the hard drug users `started with marijuana.' They had it backwards -- many hard drug users also use marijuana. There
are two reasons for this. One is that marijuana can be used to `take the edge off' the effects of some hard drugs. The other is a recently discovered fact of adolescent psychology -- there is a personality type which uses drugs, basically because drugs are exciting and dangerous, a thrill.

On sociological grounds, another sort of gateway theory has been argued which claims that marijuana is the source of the drug subculture and leads to other drugs through that culture. By the same token this is untrue -- marijuana does not create the drug subculture, the drug subculture uses marijuana. There are many marijuana users who are not a part of the subculture.

This brings up another example of how marijuana legalization could actually reduce the use of illicit drugs. Even though there is no magical `stepping stone' effect, people who choose to buy marijuana often buy from dealers who deal in many different illegal drugs. This means that they have access to illegal drugs, and might decide to try them out. In this case it is the laws which lead to hard drug use. If
marijuana were legal, the drug markets would be separated, and less people would start using the illegal drugs. Maybe this is why emergency room admissions for hard drugs have gone down in the states that decriminalized marijuana during the 70's.

9a) I don't want children (minors) to be able to smoke marijuana. How can I stop this?

Legalize it. They can smoke it now; it is about as easy to get as alcohol. There would be less marijuana being sold in schools, playgrounds, and street corners, though, if it was sold legally through pharmacies -- because the dealers would not be able to compete with the prices. If you are a
parent, the choice is really up to you: Do you want your children to sneak off with their friends and use marijuana which they bought off the street, or do you want to talk to them calmly and explain to them why they should wait until they are older? Your children are not going to walk up to you and tell you that they use an illegal drug, but if it was not such a big deal they might give you a chance to
explain your feelings. Besides, would you rather children use speed, cocaine, and alcohol?

Consider, also, that children have a natural urge to do things that they aren't supposed to. It is called
curiosity. By making such a fuss over marijuana, you make it interesting (some call it the `forbidden fruit' factor.) This is made worse when children are lied to about drugs by teachers and police -- they lose respect for the school and the government. In a lot of ways, it is the hysteria about drugs which causes the most harm. When marijuana users do none of the horrible things they are supposed to, children may think that other more harmful drugs are OK, too. Your children will not respect you unless you are calm and give good reasons for your rules. The first step is for you, the parent, to learn the facts about drugs.

9b) Won't children be able to steal marijuana plants that people are growing?

Well, if you are worried about them stealing the hemp plants from the paper-pulp farm down the road, you should know that the commercial grades of hemp do not contain much THC (the stuff that gets you high.) If they were to smoke it, they would probably just get a headache. Otherwise, it should be the responsibility of the grower to take measures to prevent this. Most ``home-grown'' marijuana is
cultivated indoors anyway. If the children in your town have nothing better to do than go around stealing marijuana to smoke, your town needs to buy a library or something.

10a) Hey, don't you know that marijuana drops testosterone levels in teenage boys causing [various physical and developmental problems]?

Marijuana does not turn young healthy boys into lanky, girlish looking wimps, no. This scare tactic (call it homo-phobic if you will) was a common device used in early anti-drug literature. It attempts to scare boys away from marijuana by telling them, essentially, that it will turn them into a girl. Young men probably should not use marijuana heavily (see the section on amotivational syndrome), but the risks are not horrendous.

Anti-marijuana pamphlets used this claim often during Reefer Madness II, but the studies which are cited are mostly faulty or misinterpreted. This is not to say that marijuana use does not affect childhood development at all, just that the effects are not as drastic as some people would like them to sound. In fact they are pretty much unknown.

10b) Doesn't heavy marijuana use lower the sperm count in males?

Not by much, (if at all) and this can be a good thing. It does not make you impotent or sterile. (If it did --
there would be no Rastafarians left!) Give those testicles a rest, already! Marijuana is certainly _not_ birth control, please don't let your lover tell you it is.

Many people think that marijuana enhances their sex lives. It is not an aphrodisiac, that is, it does not make people want to have sex. What it does do for some people is make everything more sensual -- it makes food taste better and feelings and emotions more vivid.

10c) I heard marijuana use by teenage girls may impair hormone production, menstrual cycles, and fertility. Is this true?

Also unproven and unfounded, but there is no data available to tell either way, (and it won't be coming from the U.S. -- current U.S. laws prohibit research on women.) This is the female version of the boy's ``It'll turn you into a sissy'' tactic. As far as anyone knows, it is only a scare tactic.

11) I forgot, does marijuana cause short-term memory impairment?

Go away.

12) Isn't smoking marijuana worse for you than smoking cigarettes?

There are many reasons why it is not. You may have heard that ``one joint is equal to ten cigarrettes'' but this is exagerrated and misleading. Marijuana does contain more tar than tobacco -- but low tar cigarettes cause just as much cancer, so what is that supposed to mean? Scientists have shown that smoking any plant is bad for your lungs, because it increases the number of `lesions' in your small airways. This usually does not threaten your life, but there is a chance it will lead to infections. Marijuana users who are worried about this can find less harmful ways of taking marijuana like eating or vaporizing. (Be careful -- marijuana is safe to eat -- but tobacco is not, you might overdose!) Marijuana does not seem to cause cancer the way tobacco does, though.

Here is a list of interesting facts about marijuana smoking
and tobacco smoking:

o Marijuana smokers generally don't chain smoke, and so they smoke less. (Marijuana is not physically
addictive like tobacco.) The more potent marijuana is, the less a smoker will use at a time.

o Tobacco contains nicotine, and marijuana doesn't. Nicotine may harden the arteries and may be
responsible for much of the heart disease caused by tobacco. New research has found that it may also cause a lot of the cancer in tobacco smokers and people who live or work where tobacco is smoked. This is because it breaks down into a cancer causing chemical called `N Nitrosamine' when it is burned (and maybe even while it is inside the body as well.)

o Marijuana contains THC. THC is a bronchial dilator, which means it works like a cough drop and opens up your lungs, which aids clearance of smoke and dirt. Nicotine does just the opposite; it makes your lungs bunch up and makes it harder to cough anything up.

o There are benefits from marijuana (besides bronchial dilation) that you don't get from tobacco. Mainly,
marijuana makes you relax, which improves your health and well-being.

o Scientists do not really know what it is that causes malignant lung cancer in tobacco. Many think it may be a substance known as Lead 210. Of course, there are many other theories as to what does cause cancer, but if this is true, it is easy to see why NO CASE OF LUNG CANCER RESULTING FROM MARIJUANA USE ALONE HAS EVER BEEN DOCUMENTED, because tobacco contains much more of this substance than marijuana.

o Marijuana laws make it harder to use marijuana without damaging your body. Water-pipes are illegal
in many states. Filtered cigarettes, vaporizers, and inhalers have to be mass produced, which is hard to arrange `underground.' People don't eat marijuana often because you need more to get as high that way, and it isn't cheap or easy to get (which is the reason why some people will stoop to smoking leaves.) This may sound funny to you -- but the more legal marijuana gets, the safer it is.

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It is pretty obvious to users that marijuana prohibition laws are not ``for their own good.'' In addition to the above, legal marijuana would be clean and free from adulturants. Some people add other drugs to marijuana before they sell it. Some people spray room freshener on it or soak in in chemicals like formaldehyde! A lot of the marijuana is grown outdoors, where it may be sprayed with pesticides or contaminated with dangerous fungi. If the government really cared about our health, they would form an agency which would make sure only quality marijuana was sold. This would be cheaper than keeping it illegal, and it would keep people from getting hurt and going to the emergency room.

13) Don't children born to pot-smoking mothers suffer from ``Fetal Marijuana Syndrome?''

If a fetal cannabis syndrome exists, cases are so rare that it cannot be demonstrated. Many mothers use marijuana during pregnancy -- it controls the nausea called `morning sickness' and many say it actually increases the appetite and reduces stress. This is especially important in less developed countries, where modern medical care is not as easily available, but even so, the benefits of responsible marijuana use may outweigh the risks even under modern medicine.

Studies conducted in Jamiaca have shown that mothers who smoke marijuana have healthier children, but this may be due to the extra income generated by marijuana dealing and other factors. It has been a common ploy in the War on Drugs to claim that marijuana, and especially cocaine, causes birth
defects or behavior problems like alcohol does. This scares caring mothers into thinking drugs are `evil.' The claims are not based on valid scientific research -- many of them do not even consider the life-style or living conditions of the mothers before pointing at drugs with the blame.

Obviously, pregnant mothers should not smoke as much pot as they possibly can. If marijuana is abused, it may hurt the health of both mother and child. Delta-9-THC does cross the placenta and enter the fetus. Oddly, though, the marijuana metabolite, 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC does not, and the
fetus does not break delta-9-THC down into 11-nor like the mother's body does, so unborn children are not exposed to 11-nor. The third trimester is the time when the child is most vulnerable. Parents should bear these facts in mind when they make decisions about using cannabis.

14) Doesn't marijuana cause a lot of automobile accidents?

Not really. The marijuana using public has the same or lower rate of automobile accidents as the general public. Studies of marijuana smoking while driving showed that it does affect reaction time, but not nearly as much as alcohol. Also, those who drive `stoned' have been shown to be less foolish on the road (they demonstrate `increased risk aversion'.) Recent studies have emphasized that alcohol is the major problem on our highways, and that illicit drugs do not even come close to being as dangerous.

As funny as it may seem, you may be safer driving `stoned', as long as you aren't `totally blasted' and seeing things -- but few users are irresponsible enough to drive in this state of mind, anyway. Still, many people have reported making mistakes while driving because they were stoned.

There are those who think that marijuana is a major problem on the streets, because of a newspaper article or news story which they have seen which said a large number of people who were killed in driving accidents tested postive for marijuana use. For various reasons, these studies are not
reliable:

o Some studies use drug tests which can only tell whether a person has used marijuana in the last
month.

o Some studies were done near colleges or other areas where drinking, marijuana use, and accidents are all very high, and they did not correct for age or alcohol use.

o In many of the studies there were more stoned drivers killed -- but it was not their fault, and when the police ``culpability scores'' were factored in marijuana was not to blame for the accidents.

15) Aren't you afraid everyone will get hooked?

Marijuana produces no withdrawal symptoms no matter how heavy it is used. It is habit forming (psychologically addictive), but not physically addictive. The majority of people who quit marijuana don't even have to think twice about it. Comparing marijuana to addictive drugs is really quite silly.

For a drug to be physically addictive, it must be reinforcing, produce withdrawal symptoms, and produce tolerance. Marijuana is reinforcing, because it feels good, but it does not do the other two things. Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are all physically addictive.

16a) Is urine testing for marijuana use as a terms of employment a good idea? I want to make sure my business is run safely.

No! Some of your most brilliant, hard working, and reliable employees are marijuana users. When you drug test, you put all marijuana users in the same place as the abusers -- the unemployment line. Drug testing is bad for business. (Not to mention it is an invasion of privacy.) If a worker has a drug problem, you can tell by testing how well he does his job. Firing *all* the drug users who work for you will hurt your business, costs money, and will get people very mad at you -- and for what? There isn't even any hard evidence that marijuana users have more accidents or health problems.

Your employees will probably resent being drug tested; drug testing allows an employer to govern the actions of an employee in his off time -- even when these actions do not effect his job performance. (As told above, marijuana drug tests do not test whether a person is `high'. They test whether or not they have used in the last few weeks.) Asking employees to urinate in a plastic cup every month is
not a good way to make them feel like part of the business, or make friends, either. There is growing concern about drug tests, sometimes because they misfire and accuse the wrong person, but mostly because they might be used to find out other confidential information about an employee. Legal
professionals are beginning to question whether they are even constitutional.

16b) Isn't all this worth the trouble, though, in order to reduce accident risks and health care costs?

Everyone knows that marijuana users are bad employees, right? Wrong -- or at least someone forgot to tell the millions of hard working marijuana smokers that. Drug testing companies will hand you piles of statistics which they say prove marijuana use costs you money. The truth is there are just as many studies which show that marijuana users are more successful, use less health care, and produce
more than non-users. Before you buy into workplace drug testing, make sure you get the other side of the story.

In the 1980's, the Bush administration went to great lengths to promote drug testing. In fact, George Bush estimated the cost of drug use at over 60 billion dollars a year, based on a study which supposedly showed that persons who had used marijuana at some time during their life were less
successful. The very same study could be used to show that current, heavy users of marijuana and other illegal drugs were actually more successful. Something is a bit fishy here, and when you add to that the fact that several former heads of the DEA and former Drug Czars now own or work in
the urinalysis industry, this whole scene begins to smell a bit funny.

17) Wouldn't it be best to just lock the users all up?

How do you plan to pay for that? Already, well over five percent of the people in this country (U.S) are in custody (including probation, parole, bail, etc.) Murderers and rapists are being let out of our penatentiaries right now to make room for a few more `deadheads' -- there are about 2,500 Grateful Dead fans in our federal prisons. Imprisoning one person for one year costs about $20,000.
The United States leads the world in imprisonment -- at any one time, 425 people out of every 100,000 are behind bars. In the Federal Prison System, one fifth of the prisoners are drug offenders who have done nothing violent. State laws are usually less strict, but state mandatory minumum sentences for drugs are getting more popular.

Our prisons and our courtrooms are so crowded that the American Bar Association's annual report on the state of the Justice System is basically one long plea for an end to drug laws that imprison users. Even the Clinton Administration recognizes that locking people up is not the solution. This is especially true for the people who actually have drug abuse problems -- they need treatment, not mistreatment.
The Drug War put mandatory minimum jail sentences for drug crimes on the lawbooks. If we do not take those laws (at least) back off, we will be in sorry shape come the end of the century. A retroactive policy of marijuana legalization or decriminalization would go a long way in helping to solve
this crisis.

Also consider this -- Once a person gets put in jail, he becomes angry with the world. He will probably be victimized while he is there, and most likely will learn criminal behaviors from hard-core violent offenders. There is also a very good chance that he will have caught AIDS or tuberculosis by the time he gets let back out. By locking up drug users, you are digging yourself a very big trench to fall in -- is it worth it?

Besides, lots of these people don't deserve to be in jail. Why should they serve time just because they like to get `high' on marijuana? Especially when someone can drink alcohol without being arrested... what kind of law is that? You have to think about what kind of a world you are making for yourself before you act. How are the police of the future going to treat the people? How far are you willing
to let the government go to get the drug users? How many of your own rights will you sacrifice by trying to jail `the druggies'?

18) I heard that there are over 400 chemicals in marijuana... Wellllll...?

True, but so what? There are also over 400 chemicals in many foods, (including coffee, which contains over 800 chemicals and many rat carcinogens) and we don't see police arresting people in McDonald's, or giving Driving while Eating citations. Only THC is very psycho-active; a few other chemicals also have very small degrees of psycho-activity. People who use marijuana do not get sick
more, or die earlier, or lose their jobs (except to drug tests), or have mutant kids... so what's your point?

The fact that there are over 60 unique chemicals in cannabis, called `cannabinoids,' is something that
scientists find very interesting. Many of these cannabinoids may have valuable effects as medicine. For example, `cannabinol' is a cannabinoid which can help people with insomnia. Doctors think that this chemical is why most patients prefer to use marijuana rather than pure Delta-9-THC pills (called dronabinol) -- the cannabinol takes the edge off being `high' and calms the nerves. Another cannabinoid, `cannabidiolic acid', is a very effective anti-biotic, like pennicillin. Many of these
chemicals can be extracted from marijuana without any fancy laboratory equipment.

19) Doesn't that stuff mess up your immune system and make it easier for you catch colds?

Marijuana (Delta-nine-THC) does have an `immunosuppressive effect.' It acts on certain cells in the liver, called macrophages, in much the same way that it acts on brain cells. Instead of stimulating the cells, though, it shuts them off. This effect is temporary (just like the `high') and goes away quickly; people who suffer from multiple sclerosis may actually find this effect useful in fighting
the disease.

Recent research has also found that marijuana metabolites are left over in the lungs for up to seven months after the smoking has stopped. While they are there, the immune system of the lungs may be affected (but the macrophages do not get ``turned off'' like in the liver.) The effects of smoking itself are probably worse than the effects of the THC, and last just as long.

All this said, doctors still have not decided whether marijuana users are at risk for colds or not. With the possible exception of bronchitis, there are no numbers which suggest that marijuana users catch more colds, but... this did not stop Carlton Turner, a United States Drug Czar, from saying many times in his public addresses that marijuana caused AIDS and homosexuality. His claims were so ridiculus
that the Washington Post and Newsweek Magazine made fun of him, and he was forced to resign.

Today, AIDS patients use marijuana to treat their symptoms without any aparrent problems. Some studies suggest that marijuana may actually stimulate certain forms of immunity. Researchers have tried to show major effects on the healthy human's immune system, but if marijuana does have any
substantial effects, good or bad, they are either too subtle or too small to notice.

hazetwostep

01-09-2007, 08:54 PM

everyone knows it can be psychologically addictive, just as anything can be from video games to candy.

physically, i experience withdrawl symptoms (loss of appetite, insomnia, kind of mild flu-like symptoms) if i go a couple days without weed. it only lasts 3 or 4 days for me, but they are very real and not psychosomatic, because i first experienced them when i was under the impression that there were no withdrawl symptoms. lots of studies confirm this as well. now, not everybody experiences the physical withdrawl, but to make a blanket statement that nobody does is just ignorant and not backed by scientific study.

this is from the huge 1999 IOM report. you can't say this is government propoganda either as the study very much so supports medicinal marijuana.

A distinctive marijuana and THC withdrawal syndrome has been identified, but it is mild and subtle compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal.31,74 The symptoms of marijuana withdrawal include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, sleep EEG disturbance, nausea, and cramping (Table 3.2). In addition to those symptoms, two recent studies noted several more. A group of adolescents under treatment for conduct disorders also reported fatigue and illusions or hallucinations after marijuana abstinence (this study is discussed further in the section on "Prevalence and Predictors of Dependence on Marijuana and Other Drugs").31 In a residential study of daily marijuana users, withdrawal symptoms included sweating and runny nose, in addition to those listed above.

briman

01-09-2007, 08:54 PM

I havnt said anything in this thread so far, because everyone else, has done it for me.
Now I have to say somthing, stop being a tard, it realy is a bad idea, to come onto a cannabis message board and insult cannabis.
Come on get some brains of your own man. :rastasmoke:

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 08:55 PM

That study says the same thing happens with adults. And there's other studies out there, that's just the first one I found. I'm too lazy to find more, cause I'm a stoner ;)

Well, I read through some of your posts, and I am thoroughly convinced that you are either misguided or retarded. Some of the posts saying that pot causes cancer? Kid, you need a fact check. The only way marijuana is addictive is psychologically. Its little sniveling children like you that cause the misconception that someone cant stop, because you simply do not have the willpower. You conduct yourself like a child who cannot accept that he is wrong. Its time to drop some knowledge on Mr. Class President here.

Chomp on this hot shot: I can stop smoking pot whenever I please, without "withdrawal symptoms." If being sober irritates someone, it irritates someone. Period. Vivid dreams are a purely psychological effect, marijuana does not make dreams less frequent or vivid. Marijuana makes the memories of dreams cease. Thats not from the chemical compound tetrahydrocannabinol. THC is merely a different and more potent form of A CHEMICAL COMPOUND YOUR BODY ALREADY PRODUCES. Thats right, child, your body creates its own endocannabinoids for things like hunger, happiness, and the erasure of unneeded short term memories. Let me ask you a question, Doogie, how the fuck can something be physically addictive if your body creates essentially the same substance on its own? Physically addictive indicates chemical dependence on a certain compound or family of compounds, meaning that when the compound(s) isnt present, that the brain does not function correctly, i.e. nausea and flu like symptoms in heroin withdrawal and depression and anxiety in coke withdrawal. These symptoms can not, in any way, shape, or form, be compared to the effects of ceasing toking. Thats the bottom line.

MastaChronic

01-09-2007, 08:55 PM

HEY HALCY0N...FU.....nvmd, must..not...flame....
if you want some real proof that cannabis is almost completely harnless
www.jackherer.com
the emperor wears no clothes.
read and shut the fuck up, your stupid.
cannabis has NEVER been linked to cancer, in fact, only two recorded deaths from it have EVER had anything to do with weed, ever, you prick.
ONE a hemp bale fell onto a small boy and crushed him to death and the second was...fuck, i dont remember, its been so long since ive read up on this.
BUT if you read this book you will learn the actual FACTS about cannabis and not some bullshit propaganda gutter science that they have.
do you know what gutter science is?
gutter science is where the tests are completely BIASED towards a certain outcome. the test that "proves" that cannabis kills braincells was performed on a resus (sp?) monkey that was given pure cannabis smoke and just enough air to survive over a 6 month period of time, the only thing this test proved was that asphyxiation kills braincells.

Nochowderforyou

01-09-2007, 08:55 PM

That post made no sense... probably as a result of the heavy cognitive damage marijuana causes. Half of the people on this board can't even form complete sentences. Grammar certainly appears to be optional here as well.

Hey teacher, I have a question: Have you found proof yet to your claims? You can talk all you want, but without some sort of proof, that's all you're doing, is talking. :)

Was that typed out correctly? ;)

briman

01-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Sorry bout my last comment psycho this dude just pissed me off:D

Skink

01-09-2007, 08:58 PM

I am proof it is not addictive!!!

Psycho4Bud

01-09-2007, 08:58 PM

Why waste the weed smoking a joint? I'd rather throw it in a bong. That and it's easier.

It's always good to look through past posts........by the way, your first shroom experience was deleted!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

thcbongman

01-09-2007, 08:58 PM

That post made no sense... probably as a result of the heavy cognitive damage marijuana causes. Half of the people on this board can't even form complete sentences. Grammar certainly appears to be optional here as well.

It makes perfect sense.

You are assuming that if it's legalized, they'll be more drivers who are "high." What about the current situation? How many people are driving on the road right now who are high, not just has THC in their blood, but actually high? If you can't account for those drivers, how can you assume they'll be more high drivers when you can't even give us the correct statistical information?

You question my cognitive thinking, but you can't seem to muster up yours!

RyanTheCaveman

01-09-2007, 08:59 PM

Weed isn't addictive at all...its all in your head.
It can be addicting to want to smoke...sort of like playing world of warcraft and the sort. you get addicted to those games but its not a "real" addiction.
but if your coming off other things than that might be your problem.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:00 PM

cannabis has NEVER been linked to cancer, in fact, only two recorded deaths from it have EVER had anything to do with weed, ever, you prick.
ONE a hemp bale fell onto a small boy and crushed him to death and the second was...fuck, i dont remember, its been so long since ive read up on this.

There is actually one recorded death due to marijuana. Shit, lemme find the article... It isnt due to marijuana itself, but the mans heart problems. He smoked extremely heavily and it triggered a heart episode.
Fuck i cant find it.
It isnt directly related to cannabis, not an overdose, i remember the article saying that he had a shitload of THC-COOH (THC metabolite [drug tests test for this]) in his system after the cardiac episode. Also it happened in like england. Someone find that shit.

Psycho4Bud

01-09-2007, 09:01 PM

Sorry bout my last comment psycho this dude just pissed me off:D

If that's as harsh as you get you have NOTHING to worry about in here. Thanks for the reply here though.....appreciated!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

HinduKush83

01-09-2007, 09:01 PM

In reality, anything can be habit forming. I have a habit of putting on my seatbelt. Am I addicted? No! I occasionally don't put it on, but for the most part I wear my seatbelt because it is a habit I have developed since I started driving.

You need to realize that a habit and an addiction are 2 different things. A habit is where you still do something, but not on an impulse and it can be controlled at will. although for some could be difficult to break. An addiction is when you CAN'T stop using something. Alcohol, hard drugs, and cigarettes are perfect examples of addictive substances. They are not only psychologically addictive, but physically addictive and thats why people use them. Cigarettes are said to be as about or more addictive then heroin. it's very hard to quit. I smoked for a few years. I can have a cigarette every once in awhile, but I do not get "addicted" to it anymore. I admit I enjoyed smoking because it gave me something to do, but I realized that it was expensive and dirty and you smell.

Now if you CAN'T stop using cannabis, you are either lying just to get people going here, or you are a VERY VERY VERY rare breed of human. Pick one.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:04 PM

That post made no sense... probably as a result of the heavy cognitive damage marijuana causes. Half of the people on this board can't even form complete sentences. Grammar certainly appears to be optional here as well.

Oh Lordy, the child got his hands on daddy's computer and dictionary!
I would be glad to face you in an academic decathlon. Or a fight to the death. Either way, you are still a child, what are you in, like, Algebra 1? Jeez kid, no need to take all of this anger out on us, just because mommy and daddy didnt get you your precious Tonka trucks. They took that money and stocked up on pampers. :p :p :p
Oh, I'm sorry, was that typed correctly enough for you?

lipshitz

01-09-2007, 09:08 PM

Don't know if it's been mentioned or not earlier but to the best of my knowledge weed does not affect dopamine levels in your brain or the other neurotransmitters. If so then at a small degree. It is unique with its own specialized receptors.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:10 PM

You're all going to end up retarded one day.
Tell that to my mother, who smoked pot every day of high school and college, and still came out with a bachelors from Princeton and a law degree from Harvard. Youre just some kid thats scraping through biology. And even if your baseless statement comes true, and we do end up retarded one day, we aren't retarded now, unlike you.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:13 PM

Damn, he hasnt replied for a few...
Must be watching Nickelodeon or something...

hempplaya

01-09-2007, 09:13 PM

mentally addictive... not phyically addictive.. it has some addictiveness to it.. if you smoke tabbaco ud see what real addiction is

talk about it, with my suppliers bein dry for a while i've resorted to that and have a hard time sleepin long if i haven't had one for ~6 hours before i go to bed. weed on the other hand i'm fine, i can smoke a week heavily and take a break and have no problems

thcbongman

01-09-2007, 09:14 PM

It's always good to look through past posts........by the way, your first shroom experience was deleted!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

QFT.

That was hilarious to mention psycho! lmao!

Nochowderforyou

01-09-2007, 09:17 PM

Why is he still here? Ban their ass already! :p

I could care less what some non-smoker thinks anyways. Just too much time on their hands to come bother us. Get a life and move out of moms basement. :thumbsup:

I know smoking cannabis won't make me dumb. My dad was a huge hippie in the 70's, and now he's a well deserved retired draftsman who made just over $100,000 a year. Now he's living in BC in Whiterock, retired, at age 55.

I'm 24, have been smoking for 7yrs, and I already have owned my own home, sold it, and moved to another province, so, whatever man. I'm happy, so that's all that matters. I've heard every piece of bullshit propaganda and stereotypes out there. I find it funny that people who don't even smoke weed, know everything about it. The inexperienced are always the most ignorant. ;) Or is, that unexperienced, oh well, you're the teacher, grade me.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:23 PM

Or is, that unexperienced, oh well, you're the teacher, grade me.
Lol he's not a teacher, he's Doogie fuckin' Howser man... Well, I guess if Doogie Howser was an immature, retarded child who makes untrue and baseless statements to look smart, then yeah, he's Doogie man. For sure.
Oh I thought we cannabis users couldn't type buddy boy. This cannabis-induced stupor has clouded my thoughts, oh no!

briman

01-09-2007, 09:28 PM

This cannabis-induced stupor has clouded my thoughts, oh no! lol:D

1234abcd

01-09-2007, 09:35 PM

Im addicted to certain candy way more than weed. Weed will just stay there and I will smoke the same amount each day, but if I have candy around, its GONE, i can't control myself.

Markass

01-09-2007, 09:38 PM

Marijuana and cancer...Hell no.
http://www.thoracic.org/sections/publications/press-releases/conference/articles/study-finds-no-link-between-marijuana-use-and-lung-cancer.html

ZeldaG.

01-09-2007, 09:38 PM

if house is that doctor show than thats quite good, but not a reliogius type thing for me :P

It has scientifically been proven to be NOT addictive, it is like other people say a MENTAL ADDICTION, meaning you smoke a lot than when you dont smoke you think ''hmm i like smoking i wish i was smoking''

it doesnt cause the weird feelings off ''I NEED A FUCKING FAG I NEED A FUCKING FAG!!!''

lol i knew this ages ago and it was confirmed by my Youth Offending Officer, lol guy was wicked talked to me bout shrooms and everything lol, and he told me this and this is a man employed to brainwash us into choosing a BETTER life and leaving my cirminal past behind lol (in other words: stop me smoking the Evil WEED and stop me from taking my knive fishing with me)

(ps: HE FAILED!)

Nochowderforyou

01-09-2007, 09:38 PM

This perosn probably searching for anything saying weed is addictive. :D You can stop though, because you'll find nothing. Bubcus I say, bubcus!

MastaChronic

01-09-2007, 09:40 PM

Im addicted to certain candy way more than weed. Weed will just stay there and I will smoke the same amount each day, but if I have candy around, its GONE, i can't control myself.

fuck candy, it rots your teeth and does much more harm to your body than cannabis ever will.
weed is all i need, except for those darned mind expanding fungi and that one that sounds kind of like alice dee

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:43 PM

This perosn probably searching for anything saying weed is addictive. :D You can stop though, because you'll find nothing. Bubcus I say, bubcus!

Nah, I'm thinking that Nick Toons is on right about now. He'll be back after, fuckin, what shows are on now, fuckin, Rocket Power, thats the one with the fuckin, umm, babys right, no thats... RUGRATS!

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 09:51 PM

cbdave

01-09-2007, 09:59 PM

It is possible to be addicted to weed. But weed is much less addictive that coke a cola, coffe, or alcohol. Technically people can be addicted to anything. I have had friends addicted to weed, but marijuana will not be addictive to most people, and for me snack food and tv is much more addictive than weed.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 09:59 PM

lol @ this thread still going

I decided to troll you guys since nobody was reading the thread. Like bob said, it's a good idea to check past posts, espeically when I admit to being a daily smoker right in this very thread. This thread ended at page 3.

You can ban me now if you want ;D

And yet you still persist in your efforts to spread anti-Cannabis propaganda and outdated and flawed studies. You might be a daily smoker, but that doesn't excuse your idiotic actions. Reread all your posts in this thread, and try to tell me that you come off as a condescending prick. Coming in here acting all high and mighty, thinking that you're right on everything, every subject, although your statements have been disproven multiple times by multiple people. And you still persist. The little brain that could, I say. Hear Hear!

Nochowderforyou

01-09-2007, 10:09 PM

it's a good idea to check past posts, espeically when I admit to being a daily smoker right in this very thread. This thread ended at page 3.

Then what's your fucking problem? You have nothing better to do? You sir, are a loser. :thumbsup:

Halcy0n

01-09-2007, 10:10 PM

And yet you still persist in your efforts to spread anti-Cannabis propaganda and outdated and flawed studies. You might be a daily smoker, but that doesn't excuse your idiotic actions. Reread all your posts in this thread, and try to tell me that you come off as a condescending prick. Coming in here acting all high and mighty, thinking that you're right on everything, every subject, although your statements have been disproven multiple times by multiple people. And you still persist. The little brain that could, I say. Hear Hear!

You're just mad because you didn't realize I was a troll. You hippies crack me up. Defending your silly plant from facts that have been proven true. So I decided if it was that easy to piss you off, I might as well start citing government sites and watch the thread take off :D

thcbongman

01-09-2007, 10:14 PM

To his/her credit, he/she was very effective at it.

Lame as it is, it did provide a little entertainment and activity on the board. Sometimes you do need an antagonist to make things more interesting.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:23 PM

That is a government sponsered site.

.GOV

Yes, of course we can believe everything that is stated by our governments.

Hell the United States has a bill going right now that says an scientific study has to be reviewed by the governement before it can be published...

Talk about taking away rights. I don't see how it will pass, but you never know. I'm sure the Supreme Court would over rule that either way.

JaggedEdge

01-09-2007, 10:29 PM

lol @ this thread still going

I decided to troll you guys since nobody was reading the thread. Like bob said, it's a good idea to check past posts, espeically when I admit to being a daily smoker right in this very thread. This thread ended at page 3.

You can ban me now if you want ;D

Your not really trolling though, this is something you really believe based on past posts, I see on an earlier thread where you are arguing the same exact thing.

And honestly if this is the best way you can find to entertain yourself, try playing a video game or something. Ahhh.. who am I kidding, this has been an interessting thread.

You can't deny that you believe what you said though... At least no based on the past post I read.

Fluffhead

01-09-2007, 11:38 PM

And honestly if this is the best way you can find to entertain yourself, try playing a video game or something.
At least until he discovers internet porn... After mommy takes off the filter on his AOL lol!

Skink

01-10-2007, 12:15 AM

Tomorrow Never Knows

01-10-2007, 12:45 AM

sounds like someone's got a weak will...

jackass

DeadHeadX3741

01-10-2007, 12:48 AM

Wow, this is effed up. I've smoked a lot, and 've smoked before on a regular basis. all I can say is at one point my stash ran out and I was just lke w/e I didn't smoke for a couple of week (mostly because my towns dealers got jipped by a contact and we we're in a dry spell) and I didn't care. It was just not having that different way to look at things, there is no withdrawral, you just aren't high and if you can't stand that then I think you need to sort some shit out. :rastasmoke:

Way2many

01-10-2007, 12:53 AM

Cant you see what this guy is doing....TEARING US ALL APART!>

Bud is only psychologically addictive at least to me i dont scratch myself break down into hotsweats or rob convient stores to get it.

weed is probley no more addictive than soda, chocoalate, or sex.

Stoned_Friend

01-10-2007, 12:55 AM

the guy has a point like when i smoke heavily and i all of a sudden run out during the after noon i have a hard time goin to sleep and i get moody for a couple days as well but it becomes that way when i run out and have no more but i can quit even if i have weed because i know its there but i dont want it, u guys know what i mean?

RyanTheCaveman

01-10-2007, 12:58 AM

Ask and ye shall recieve,,,LOLz...

Skink...you are one of the most weirdest and strangely funny people i have ever seen.Hey hey hey
:DCaveman

Shovelhandle

01-10-2007, 01:00 AM

ditto ^^

Shov

bucknuts1870

01-10-2007, 01:10 AM

WEED IS ADDICTIVE. Not physically addicting like heroin where your willing to blow a homeless guy for his change cup to get yer next fix. But it is still addicting. I am addicted to weed.

Pipe Dreams

01-10-2007, 01:25 AM

marijuana Is psychologically addictive, but not physically.

schizoid

01-10-2007, 01:31 AM

It is Psychologically addicting. It happens to me. Hard for me to sleep, nervous, irritable... I just have to tell myself its all in my head and try to get my mind off weed.

BigNugs4U

01-10-2007, 01:38 AM

i just cant forget the poster that said "...youve proven weed is as addicting than caffeine, congrats...":spamsign: :spamsign: :spamsign: :abduct: :abduct: :noel:

ericwt

01-10-2007, 01:41 AM

You know what is really addicting?

Oxygen: I cant even go for a few minutes without wanting it.

Food: You know every time I try to quit eating anything for just a few days I get grumpy and all I can think about is food. Then my stomach growls at me, demanding food. It is all I can think of.

Sex: No matter how much I get I always want more. I can never get enough.

Money: If I have been without it for a while my life gets real stressful.

Water: Just try quiting water or any liquids for a few days and you will become real grumpy.

Dam! I am addicted to tons of stuff. Where is the government surveys when you need them?:D

potsmokingnome

01-10-2007, 02:48 AM

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

Its all in your head! I've gone from smoking weed every single day, and spending about a a qaurter a day! for about 2 years straight! and then i had to ease off the weed for a bit (no money, go figure) went a good 3 weeks without weed. Sure It was a bit harder to fall asleep, but and I was queazy at times, but thats not symptoms of addictition its your body cleansing the toxins that excessive usuage of weed brings into your body! thats my theory at leats!

and its not physically addictive! and its only psychologically addictive if you let it be!

And furthermore:some of those symptons you stated also come from the fact that most weed people buy on the streat is not allways flushed properly, or is not done without chemicals (non organic fertilizers and such) that is what makes ya sick over time if you smoke too much non organically grown pot! When i get the chance I prefer organic, I barely get a burnout when I smoke organic weed.

Skink

01-10-2007, 02:51 AM

Skink...you are one of the most weirdest and strangely funny people i have ever seen.Hey hey hey
:DCaveman

and you didn't spell Skink with a T,,,thanks...

Dro_Princess

01-10-2007, 03:38 AM

Don't believe me about the cancer thing huh?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

I love getting a healthy dose of carcinogens every morning.

While we're at it, let's take a look at some more bad things marijuana does to you.

Doesn't suprise me.

You're all going to end up retarded one day.

The effects of tobacco and cannabis smoking differ, however, as they affect different parts of the respiratory tract: whereas tobacco tends to penetrate to the smaller, peripheral passageways of the lungs, cannabis tends to concentrate on the larger, central passageways. One consequence of this is that cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not appear to cause emphysema. Also, unlike tobacco, regular cannabis use does not appear to cause COPD, either. Researchers have speculated on potential side effects from the fact that cannabis burns at a higher temperature than tobacco.

Cannabis smoke contains numerous compounds known to cause cancer. Surprisingly, however, scientific studies have failed to show higher cancer rates in cannabis smokers. A study published in 2006 on a large population sample (1,200 people with lung, neck, or head cancer, and a matching group of 1,040 without cancer) failed to positively correlate a lung cancer risk, in fact the results indicated a slight negative correlation between long and short-term cannabis use and cancer, suggesting a possible therapeutic effect. This followed an even larger 1997 study examining the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients, which also found no positive correlation between cannabis use and cancer. It has been noted, separately, that THC, a dilative agent, may help cleanse the lungs by dilating the bronchia, and could actively reduce the instance of tumors. Additionally, a study by Rosenblatt found no association between marijuana use and the development of head and neck squamous cell carcinoma.

Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains tars which are rich in carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are a prime culprit in smoking-related cancers. However, cannabinoids themselves are not carcinogenic. An obvious way to protect smokers' health is therefore to minimize the content of smoke tars relative to cannabinoids.

The most obvious way to do this is to bypass smoking completely by simply eating the cannabis as "space cakes".

Another way is to increase the THC potency of the marijuana (see also section on potency above). Assuming smokers adjust their smoke intake to the cannabinoid dosage, the higher the concentration of cannabinoids, the lower the amount of tars they are likely to consume to achieve their desired effect.

Vaporisers, by heating the cannabis oils to be inhaled without combustion, almost avoid the risk altogether. A 2000 study conducted by NORML and MAPS found that the two tested vaporizers performed up to 25% better than unfiltered marihuana cigarettes in terms of tar delivery.

Surprisingly, the same study found that water pipes (bongs) and filtered cigarettes performed 30% worse than regular, unfiltered joints. The reason is that waterpipes and filters filter out more psychoactive THC than they do tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study does not, however, rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out harmful gases such as carbon monoxide.

Not sure what link will take you to this info but you should go to them all.
http://www.benefitsofmarijuana.com/benefits.html
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01.n638.a10.html
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/is...marijuana.html
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...16/ai_11229091
http://www.askmen.com/sports/health/20_mens_health.html
http://www.medmjscience.org/
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/press...e/pr042106.cfm

1234abcd

01-10-2007, 03:43 AM

Shit we're addicted to everything. (psychologically) What does it matter.

So yes, pot is addictive just like everything else you do

Matt the Funk

01-10-2007, 04:37 AM

Kind of off topic, but I have not smoked for 4 days and I caught a cold! Since I started smoking I don't think I have gotten a cold. Maybe a few times when I took breaks. Does anyone have any explenation?

TokinAsianGuy

01-10-2007, 05:02 AM

Woah... step back. The man made a statement, call the U.N!

The dude expressed his opinion and then was ridiculed, and then he provides evidence for his statement and is made fun off. Doesn't matter if he's a troll or the boogeyman, we're stoners, who cares? aren't we all about expressing ones own opinion? or have we become the politically correct puppet masters that holds up a single finger to silence voices not yet heard?

Look past the text and see the concept behind the addiction. Our brains send chemicals coursing through our body, sending signals to keep our hearts beating and our lungs breathing. are we addicted to air and love? Our thoughts and feelings came from somewhere, inside our minds and our bodies turn them into the physical. We can build houses, make pipes, we can create.

addiction, what we want, or what we need? Do we really truly need anything we have? or do we just want it? I'll tell you what i don't want and need, i don't want violence, i don't want hatred, and i definitely don't need to see a group of people i hold in high regard show such ignorance for someone elses belief and or opinions. Let him believe what he wants to believe, would it affect your life if he did so? Does it really matter?... *ponders* Or is aggression towards a differing opinion fueling revolution?

GotWake88

01-10-2007, 05:37 AM

Even the government's studies say that it isn't physically addictive.

Did you suffer insomnia before you started? The reason that I began using cannabis regularly is because I have suffered from insomnia for most of my life, and smoking an hour before bed has always helped me sleep. You may be mistaking the cure for the disease.

dejayou30

01-10-2007, 08:00 AM

I smoked the best bed I could find for about 16 months and then just stopped out of nowhere because my job started random drug testing. I haven't smoked in 18 days. No withdrawls, no cravings, no nothing. Sure I think about how much it sucks that I can't smoke, but it is in no way addicting. I smoked last night because I got my synthetic urine in the mail, but I will not smoke again until my system is completely clean. The last time I quit was for 42 days, also out of nowhere. If you can't quit smoking marijuana, you must just be a weak person.

Toker4LifeVT

01-10-2007, 08:36 AM

there's a catch -- withdrawal symptoms, much like those experienced by people quitting cigarettes, cocaine or other drugs, may make abstinence more difficult to achieve.

Total BS! Ive been smoking cigs for 7+ yrs now and have tried to quit and failed over a dozen times the withdrawl is horrible.... due to lack of funds i aint smoked weed in 3 months and have had no problems doing so... total bs lies!

TokinAsianGuy

01-10-2007, 08:44 AM

TAG, you give him way too much credit. You're posting after all was said and done. He got banned, good riddance. He almost caused a ban inducing flamewar between LIP and myself, he's been posting utter bullshit, and then he admits he's trolling. I say fuck him, and I bet I'm not the only one.

Maybe I am giving him too much credit, maybe i'm not, but the point still remains. Who cares?

TokinAsianGuy

01-10-2007, 08:56 AM

yes. the same way you get involved and post your :twocents:.

LIP

01-10-2007, 12:38 PM

Ahhh, he's banned now. I can calm down. The little dick. :D

Wesley Pipes

01-10-2007, 12:48 PM

shit i missed all the fun :(

Reefer Rogue

01-10-2007, 04:24 PM

Good, we don't need people like that on the boards. :)

Nochowderforyou

01-10-2007, 05:20 PM

Glad to see this person was removed. :thumbsup:

What a weirdo, one second he's like, "I love weed...I hate weed...love it, hate it, etc and etc" Maybe he missed his medication dose yesterday. :p

xcrispi

01-10-2007, 05:46 PM

you too my friend are one of the unfortunate sheep that will believe whatever they pump you full of . psychologically addictive at the most and that's a big ass maybe .
break free from the herd
peace
crispi

RyanTheCaveman

01-10-2007, 09:57 PM

and you didn't spell Skink with a T,,,thanks...

No problem stink. er i mean skink.

dutch.lover

01-10-2007, 10:06 PM

i haven't read the rest of this thread but i will say this. SCIENTIFICALLY, weed has been PROVEN to NOT be PHYSICALLY addictive. Yes, it is psychologically addictive (as anything can. french fries, sex, working out can all be psych. addictive)...which can lead to PHYSICAL symptoms. Just because something isn't physically addictive, doesn't mean that it doesn't have physical withdrawal symptoms. The body and the mind are connected; for example everyone would agree that stress is a psychological issue- but it has physical symptoms. Insomnia, lack of appetite, headaches, and even hives in extreme cases.

And to whoever started this thread (they're banned but what the hell)- just because YOU have found that YOU have had physical withdrawal symptoms, doesn't mean everyone gets them, or that they are fact. This is called testimonial evidence, and is far from being scientific or generalizable.

nevaquit01

01-11-2007, 12:34 AM

I've quit multiple times for months to years at a time. I had no withdrawl symptoms at all. I stoped cold turkey. When I smoke I smoke hard core. Multiple times per day.

That being said. Weed is addictive. Only not AS addictive as other stuff.

If 50% of regular users of alcohol get addicted and something like 80% of cigarette smokers get addicted then for weed it would be near 15-20%.
To relate that to another substance, caffine is addictive to like 30% of the population.

Weed can be addictive, just not to very many people.

Immolation

01-11-2007, 12:48 AM

wow, 5 pages arguing over semantics.

No Shit.:rasta: Thats funny, and true.

hazetwostep

01-12-2007, 04:37 AM

well... i just had to fly for vacation, so no weed for me for the next bunch of days... let's see if the insomnia and sweaty palms kicks in!

onequestion

07-19-2007, 05:32 AM

I think the reason for insomnia after stopping weed for a while is that you are so used to fallin asleep so easily with the weed.

4twentE

07-19-2007, 07:18 AM

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

I had a really bad speed habit a few years ago. Extremely glad I got off it. But anyway, I stayed awake for 36+ hours many many times. I've gone 4 to 5 days without sleep and barely any food or water on quite a few occasions. Your brain has no idea what it's telling itself at that point. Your psychology can easily take over your physiology and induce all kinds of symptoms whether they be psycho semantic or real. It all starts with psychological addiction. So my answer is yes it is psychologically addictive, but physical withdrawal comes from within.

slipknotpsycho

07-19-2007, 07:25 AM

why did you have to bring this thread up....?

4twentE

07-19-2007, 07:28 AM

< wasn't me. it was near the top of the lounge when I posted.

passitplz

07-19-2007, 07:30 AM

One site that agrees with you doesn't make it true.

I don't feel like searching so here is a quick link that say's your full of shit in a way.

BBC - Science & Nature - Hot Topics - Cannabis - Index Page (http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/hottopics/cannabis/)

"It may be psychologically addictive. Heavy users can display aggressive impulses if their supply suddenly stops, a side effect similar to that of anabolic steroids"

The BBC is reputable. Read more. One study isn't enough. If it were physically addictive I would not have been able to function these past two weeks without weed. Trust me I have an addictive personality and yup nothing but a slight psycho addiction that I get over in a day with out weed.

You are ignorant and make smokers look bad. It is said when fellow smokers buy into the bullshit. I'm not saying the plant is completely harmless because I'm not sure. But it isn't addictive like ciggs and booze.

in that link it says that weed is more likely to cause lung cancer than cigs... so many people told me that weed wont give you lung cancer mostly people from this site everyone also says weed has never killed anyone... can it?

ceecee79

07-19-2007, 09:39 AM

I can see both sides of the argument. I have never been able to understand how weed is classified as a Schedule I drug, along with drugs such as PCP and Heroin, (supposed to mean, "high potential for abuse") by the DEA, but other drugs are lower scheduled ("less potential for abuse") like codeine, cocaine, percodan...ect. I know many people who have abused Rx drugs, and to me, that seems more "addicting".

But on the other side, some people have more addictive personalities. Any drug affects people in different ways. That's why there are varying side effects, even with weed. I don't think that makes you weak. And more science about addiction is showing that there's not just one factor. Genetics have been found to play a role in addiction as well.

AussieGWRER

07-19-2007, 11:04 AM

The question should be are you easily irritated or anxious.

Yes - irritated and loss of appitie and trouble sleeping :wtf:
but that was only for 2 days after acouple of months of pretty heavy smoking n it wasnt that bad more annoying i believe it can become mentally addictive
EVERYBODYS DIFFERENT.
its not gonna stop me smoking tho :stoned:
But y preach on this site people know what the goverment's say n its up to the individual to believe it
but smoke on i only stopped to lower tolerance

beachguy in thongs

07-19-2007, 11:24 AM

I knew somebody would say that. Tell that to my brain after 36+ hours of no sleep.

It sounds like you should be on a meth forum.

cavmanfotwent

07-19-2007, 12:19 PM

i agree with u homie. ( the guy who started this thread )

fasterspider

07-19-2007, 02:08 PM

Everyone is born an addict and everything is addictive.
What you choose to put your addictions toward is up to you, whether you put them to constructive uses or negative uses does not matter because you are still addicted to something and everything.
I have been addicted to heroin and numerous other controlled substances along with nicotene and quit tham all but I am still addicted to everything else.
Food, air, clothing, work, riding motorcycles, sex, watching TV or playing on the computor. They are all addictions if you think about it deep enough and if you take away the air or the food or clothing, the withdrawals start rather quickly.
Yes, I am a pot head and think of myself as addicted to weed but, I am also addicted to living because the alternative is no fun.

dannyboy420

07-19-2007, 02:23 PM

You're just weak.

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

Jim M

07-19-2007, 02:33 PM

everybodys totally different man, ive smoked for 5 years, never experienced anything like insomnia, irratibility, etc (except maybe when someone promises u bud an then doesnt deliver - that irritates me!)
theres a serious drought on here and before yesterday i didnt smoke anythin for about 2 an a half weeks, an nothin happened me....
If it was Really an addictive drug, then we'd all feel similar withdrawls, like if we were all givin up heroin...

Melkane

07-19-2007, 03:15 PM

I'm a former cigarette smoker (smoked nearly 3 packs a day) been clean now for nearly 5 years and I say with 100% certainty that Weed is NOT physically addictive. It's psychologically addictive. But your body never thinks it "needs" it. Only your mind. The topic creator clearly has mistook psychological symptoms for physical ones.

You can mentally become used to feeling high at certain times, in certain situations and it becomes where you feel you need it. Going without weed would then make you irritable, and probably depressed as you are mentally used to being high. Being depressed can cause you to feel ill and give you physical symptoms.

But it's still only in your mind.

Zwitter

07-19-2007, 03:38 PM

From my own personal experience, weed has only been "addictive" i.e., a harder habit to break if need be, if I were turning to it to forget something, or cover something up. That's doing it for the wrong reasons though.

If I do it because I enjoy it...whenever I feel like it, I'm not bothered in the least when I'm not high. But if I'm using it as a crutch, I definitely get cranky when I'm not high and wish I were. That's the extent of 'addiction', I think...Psychological dependence.

sam44

07-19-2007, 04:53 PM

I just recently started a two week break. The past few days I HAVE experienced insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability as you said. But these are psychological symptoms. Real addicts dont take voluntary breaks. I have a 1/4 ounce of dank sitting about 10 feet away from me, yet I havent smoked in 3 days. See if a crackhead could do that.

Stop spreading bad info.

Neg rep for you.

davefc

07-19-2007, 06:37 PM

tokinstoner

07-19-2007, 07:21 PM

Your ignorant dude. People in this world are different. Haven't smoked weed in 3 days and i have not been feening for it and nor do i really think about it. I don't even know who we are different people maybe you just have a really weak mind because i was addicted to coke and i smoke cigarettes so trust me dude i KNOW what an addiction is.

4twentE

07-19-2007, 07:28 PM

Everyone is born an addict and everything is addictive

....Food, air, clothing, work, riding motorcycles, sex, watching TV or playing on the computor....

Damn scraight! Haven't found anything more addictive than that. It's a toss up between motorcycles and sex to me. This forum is also up there on my list of addictions. But I'm not addicted per say to weed. I just love smoking it every day and don't plan on quitting anytime soon.

JaMakin07

07-19-2007, 07:28 PM

are you serious, you quit smoking and you had insomnia so you think its drug withdrawal, you arent the first person to quit smoking weed you just have no will power

Maggz

07-19-2007, 07:46 PM

It's psychologically addicting for me. I don't get any physical withdrawl symptoms. Compared to alcohol weed is much less addicting, and the withdrawl (if any) is NOTHING in comparison.

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 07:53 PM

are you serious, you quit smoking and you had insomnia so you think its drug withdrawal, you arent the first person to quit smoking weed you just have no will power

did you not know insomnia is a symptom of withdrawal?

and what does insomnia have to do with willpower anyways? they do not correlate in the least bit.

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 07:55 PM

Anything has the potential to be psychologically addictive. I'm sure some of you here are addicted to the computer, to the interwebs, even to these forums.. I couldn't go on without my guitar, for instance. That doesn't mean I'll get cold and clammy without it.. Yes, like anything else, weed can be psychologically addictive. However, nothing in it (like caffeine or nicotine) is chemically addictive.

hey thc is a chemical. i think it has the potential to be addictive as well.

zino11

07-19-2007, 08:00 PM

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 08:03 PM

ive been smokin scince i was 12 im now 19 and the past three years very heavy i had to quit suddenly and ive been clean for a month no problems yeah i want to smoke but i have no addiction some folks have no self control cause i also smoke ciggs and thats an addiction cause i cant quit if my life depended on it

the chemical makeup that makes you you is different than the chemical makeup that makes me me. addiction affects us all very differently.

with no variables in life, evolution and progression cannot happen. therefore, everything must affect everyone in a particular way.

just because you arent addicted, doesnt mean its not addictive.

slipknotpsycho

07-19-2007, 08:21 PM

just had to bring this up =/. it turned into a piss fest last time, and i'm pretty sure it's on it's way there now...

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 08:27 PM

just had to bring this up =/. it turned into a piss fest last time, and i'm pretty sure it's on it's way there now...

that happens with everything. if its an opinionated subject, there will be drama.

people cant debate without throwing a fit.

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 09:30 PM

i havnt read the whole topic
as its 10 pages long

BUT
wikipedia it
or look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_%28drug%29)

i know that wikipedia is widely accepted as a very reliable source of info
and also think that all the references to information on this site are viable

so if you read that
find the bit that tells you bud isnt addictive
and that its all in your head

and then look up the refrences
you will find
it isnt addictive
and if you think it is
your stupid
and unwise

:thumbsup:

why do you give people a lame resource (wikipedia) and then call them stupid for drawing their own conclusions? thats very ignorant and biased.

ps you say its all in your head, when addiction is actually all in your head. mental addiction, that is. and lots of mental ailments can actually manifest into something physical. If you want weed and cant stop thinking about it, and you end up not sleeping, eating, being depressed or 'moody', that is a physical form of withdrawal. you cant tell me sleeping and eating are not physical.

slipknotpsycho

07-19-2007, 09:54 PM

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 10:02 PM

no those aren't physical....

physical withdrawl includes (but not limited to) shakes/tremors, naseau/vomiting, headache/body pains, diahreah/constipation (although you'd see that with certain rx meds) coldsweats etc....

depression/moodiness is an emotion, it's in your head, eating disorders are already known to be a mental thing, true you're physically not eating, but it's still your mind in control... sleeping, well that can go both ways, although i'd consider it mental and i'll tell you why in a sec...

the only way you could really construe cannabis to be physically addictive is because it increases your melatonin levels by thousands... but it's not replacing the chemical (like other drugs do that are physically addicting) it's just simply giving your system more then it's used to...

the reason i believe sleepign is classified as mental is because you can take melatonin supplements when you don't have bud, and you're normal again... melatonin is in no way a narcotic, so it's not making you drowsy, it's just replacing the ammount you were used to before you ran out of weed allowing your brain to work normally again.

yes but a drastic uprising of neurochemicals and then a drastic drop and no reuptake of those neurotransmitters can, if not will employ withdrawal symptoms. eating disorders are construed as mental because usually the person suffering from the disorder does not see themselves as they truely are, and are mentally bound to the fact that if they dont eat they will bloom into the true beauty they think they can find but never will. thats totally mental.

but loss of appetite is not mental. i dont think you can mentally control appetite. thats why in africa and other third world countries, they smoke a lot of potent tobacco. because this is an appetite suppresant. you cant turn on and off your appetite with your mind, its just not possible. otherwise hunger wouldnt be painful. we could choose to be not hungry, if it were mental.

and i still think sleeping is physical. exhaustion is a physical condition, not mental. just like appetite, you cant turn your state of exhaustion on and off, otherwise we would never sleep. sure you can induce a state of drowsiness with chemicals, but this doesnt substitute exhaustion and the progression of your sleep.

smokinbomb

07-19-2007, 10:03 PM

damn 11 pages i think it's time to agree to disagree on the subject

-Bomb

halfassedjediknight

07-19-2007, 10:06 PM

damn 11 pages i think it's time to agree to disagree on the subject

-Bomb

no the debate must go on, otherwise progress will cease to exist!

seriously. forget to agree to disagree. this will come up in the future, it might as well be a sticky

johneg

07-19-2007, 10:47 PM

i have not had a spliff in 4 days....i couldnt sleep lst night! i was up at 4.30am having a cigarette!I got this like tiny niggling pain in my head and the most silliest things make me really angry!!normally im really easygoing!on the plus side tho ive been having some really lucid dreams which i can actually remember when i wake up! also i feel a bit better in the morning,well did today,and am finding it easier to talk about bollox with the old dudes at work!! is that jus mental addiction?? u tell me?

ipodguy

07-20-2007, 12:48 AM

its different for everybody
some people are addicted to food more than others
some people only smoke a few cigarettes per week
some people can stop smoking weed whenever they want with no trouble and some cant

the image reaper

07-20-2007, 12:51 AM

Richard Pryor " hooked ?, hell, I ain't hooked !! , I done quit a hundred times !!! " ....... :S2:

TheAtomicPunk

07-20-2007, 12:56 AM

All this debation over whether or not it is physically addictive is silly.

I'm not addicted to weed, and that's all that matters. If you have any willpower at all then you can resist wanting to do something.

cannabis=freedom

07-20-2007, 01:08 AM

Of course it's physically addictive, guys!

I've tried to quit weed, but I couldn't stop sweating, shaking and tweaking out, I puked everywhere, nearly died, and they took me to rehab.

(The above is 100% genuine home-grown bullshit).

crudemood

07-20-2007, 01:15 AM

Page two and this thread is already defeated and diffused? Awwww.:(
LOL oh how wrong you are.

Euphoric

07-20-2007, 01:24 AM

weed and sex are very similar u know, i group them together under "yum". all items under so called "yum" are truly psychologically addictive, this includes weed sex candy and music.
i think the real problem about addiction is the stigma attached to it, yo

sam44

07-20-2007, 01:38 AM

i think the reason you have loss of appetite is because when your stoned things taste so much better and food is more appealing. when you havent smoked it just seems bleehhhh

MadSativa

07-20-2007, 01:46 AM

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

Herb is not addictive, insomnia is not a withdrawl symptom iratiable ness is also not a with drawl symptom. people can die from withdrwal symptoms I have never herd of anyone dieing over insomnia maby being an A-hole, but none of those things. besides those symptoms remind me of chemical posoning not herb mabey you need a better grower

LuckyG

07-20-2007, 02:33 AM

I go through worse withdrawal when I stop masturbating for a few days than when I stop smoking after being chronic.

Holy hell, I just noticed how long this thread is. Kind of silly. You know what I'm addicted to? Air. If I don't get enough air, I start feeling lightheaded and pass out. And this isn't just a once-in-a-while thing, I need to be inhaling air like every minute of the day. It's getting out of control.

halfassedjediknight

07-20-2007, 03:06 AM

i think the reason you have loss of appetite is because when your stoned things taste so much better and food is more appealing. when you havent smoked it just seems bleehhhh

dude when i quit smoking i eat so much. i dont really get the munchies high come to think of it.

zino11

07-20-2007, 03:37 AM

Herb is not addictive, insomnia is not a withdrawl symptom iratiable ness is also not a with drawl symptom. people can die from withdrwal symptoms I have never herd of anyone dieing over insomnia maby being an A-hole, but none of those things. besides those symptoms remind me of chemical posoning not herb mabey you need a better grower

i agree

dankitydank

07-20-2007, 05:29 AM

lmao is that the same Halcyon that is like mod of pyept??? if so wats up ms. halcyon

beachguy in thongs

07-20-2007, 01:04 PM

Well, we produce melatonin abundantly as children, and little, as adults. Melatonin isn't addictive. It just tells birds to migrate and goats to mate.

Cyclonite

09-08-2007, 12:31 AM

Im just sharing the fact that after I quit ciggs cold turkey....I didn't need but just felt an intense craving...no insomnia ect...just the urge for about 2-3 months.

Now when I quit smoking weed I have more side effects, insomnia and most of what has been mentioned but this lasts no more than a week tops, these are all withdrawal symptoms.

When you withdraw from an activity and your body reacts these reactions are symptoms

I suppose it just takes your body quiet a bit longer to adjust from a physical addiction than psychological.

Gandalf_The_Grey

09-08-2007, 12:43 AM

WEsmokeED

09-08-2007, 03:32 AM

Weed can absolutely be considered addictive. But using their criteria and based on what we've observed in society, we can also call television, chocolate, McDonnald's, candy, video games, music, gambling, running, and internet addictive. All these things and so much more are habbit forming for a lot of people, but we dont' make them illegal on the basis of them being "addictive". Considering that the two main legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, are more addictive than most illegal drugs, how can they even justify prohibition with this?

The sheeple need to stop being so scared by the word "addictive" and realize just how broad such a term is.

The argument that because alcohol and tobacco are legal then weed should be to is wrong, just because something harmful is legal doesnt mean that something not as harmful should be legal. Dont get me wrong i am all for the legalization of this wonderful plant, but it wont happen with that argument. IMO

Anyways as far as weed being addictive, I would say that personally I feel fine physically when I dont smoke, but yes I want it, I crave it, its almost like I fein for it. Weak will power? Maybe. But still I feel addicted, isnt that all that really matters?

WeedyBoyWonder

09-08-2007, 09:37 AM

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

That's not a fact, and no information you provided has proven, or even said that it's addictive.

LIP

09-08-2007, 09:39 AM

That's not a fact, and no information you provided has proven, or even said that it's addictive.

I'm surprised by this - but i agree.

None of this is based on fact.

angry nomad

09-08-2007, 09:59 AM

I used to do "M". I got really into the whole "M" culture. I was doing "M" as soon as I got home from work, through dinner, and until I went to sleeps some nights. On Friday nights, I would get together with friends and do "M", and drink alcohol. I started losing a lot of money (we call it gil), to M, so I started growing. One time I went on vacation, and I asked a friend to water my babies, but he did not, and almost all my lovely plants died. I was pretty upset, and to top it off, there was absolutely no way I could have "M" on my vacation.

Anyway, I bought new seeds, and planted them on all my mule accounts. That was when the price for the chocobo carrots were a lot higher at the Auction House. Then, we lost internet access for awhile, and it was no "M" for me for almost a month and a half.

I was irritable, couldn't sleep as well at night, and I was consumed with thinking about "M". My wife would get annoyed with me talking about "M" all the time. When I was able to do "M" again, I realized that it wasn't as great as I thought it was, and that I needed to quit.

But, I couldn't do it without the help of MMORPG'ers Anonymous. Big ups to my peeps at MMORPGA!