First Grow... 5 Fem Ice - 2 Fem BlackJack

[DRSICE]

Hey all, First grow and need a couple ?'s answered.

Planted Dec. 15 Germanated in rockwool & humidity dome- sprouted dec 18 and 19
( 3 weeks old from planting )

Setup -

4' x 5' x 6' high
mylar
2.5 gallon dwc w/airstones - 3.5" netpots w/hydroton
temps 77F - 82F
Humidity 38-42
PH 5.8 - 6.0
Water - Tap sitting 24-48 hours before use ( ph down 1 ml per gallon )
Water Temps 68F-72F
5- ice femenized ( onlinealien )
2- blackjack femenized ( onlinealien )
Lights 2-400watt metal halide 1 with hp conversion
Light 18" from top plants
Exhaust and intake
Fan circulating
Nutes - AN 2part a&b 10ml per gal. - Fulvic 8ml per gal - B52 6ml per gal ( started on 1/5 )
Useing Advanced Nutrients custom recipe #2 ( www.progressivegrowth.com )
Never pruned , lst , topped
Approximately 5" tall

Plan to veg til end of Jan ( will attempt to clone at that time )

Questions

A) Why are fan leaves so large?
B) Can I remove to allow for lower branching?
C) Why are the tops of the plants closed like praying?

Thanks to all for your knowledge and experiences I have read the last couple months.

Regards,

DRICE:vader1:

[DRSICE]

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[mackSwell]

Hunh!

Those are some mighty big fan leaves for young plants. Maybe just a quirk of the strain? Can't see how it could be a bad thing though... More leaf surface area allows for more conversion of light to growth.

I wouldn't remove them if I were you. Those biggies at the bottom are probably going to be advantageous! Your plants will do more of their branching higher up on the plant where they can consistantly get light. This is a good thing.

If they are really bothering you, try LST instead of pruning first. Just tie them aside to let some light get to lower branches if you see them trying to grow. You could even add some side-light or up-light to compensate for that shading growth. Cutting them should be your last resort, IMHO. It will reduce your plants' photosynthesis - therefore, temporarily, their growth.


As for the tops being so closed up, I suspect that's directly related to the size of the fan leaves. Healthy new growth should hold itself upright in a kind of V shape, so with your leaves being large & broad, they may simply not have the room to unfurl & flatten out as quickly. I say just keep an eye on them, and see if they don't flatten out a bit in a few days.

It looks also like you have abundant new growth and like ZERO stretching (good for you!), so all those leaves bursting from the top at once are bound to get a little crowded. Again, this is a good thing! Dense, short, bushy, healthy-looking plants. They look really good to me... I'll bet you get some huge colas on those plants come flower time!

And you've got a nice set-up. Very ambitious for your first grow!

How much vertical room do you have? I ask because given the size of the leaves, I think those plants want to get big. If you have the headroom, you may want to let them! (More plant = more bud!) Accounting for your lights, eyeball your grow area. When the plants are filling about a third of your vertical space (since they may well triple in size during flower), go to 12/12. This may mean being patient (I know it's hard!) and waiting beyond your proposed end of veg. All of this is assuming you plan to flower after you try to clone them. Probably worthwhile to keep them in veg until you see your clones getting good roots & new growth anyway.

Keep in mind that you can't take "feminized" to the bank - You might end up with some males in there, and there's a good chance at least one will go hermie. So label your plants & clones well so if a plant goes male/hermie on you during flower, you can ditch the cooresponding clones if you wish rather than using up your resources on them.

Continued good luck to you!

[DRSICE]

Thanks mackSwell for the kind words and input

I have arranged some of the fan leaves so the new growth can be free. ( and there is alot of it) some as long as 2-3 inches. Even at sencondary growth new shoots are approx. 1" (Yee Ha )

As far as vertical space I have 48" of vertical space to grow

Will post new pics tonite


Regards,

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[MisterE]

Hmm, 4 feet of vertical space free and clear to grow in. I'd just bear in mind with your estimated veg. time that when you go to 12/12 to start the flowering, the plants will double in height.

Looking nice.

[DRSICE]

Hey all,

Update with new pics below. Plants are 3 weeks old today ( when sprouted )

Nothing notable has changed. ( except GROWTH)

Pic 1 and 2 is of BlackJack ( Phoebe )
Lots of underneath Branching some 2 - 3 inches and growing out

Pic 3 , 4 and 5 are ICE ( Piper )
At almost 6" tall she has underneath branches almost as long

Pic 6 and 7 are ICE ( Izzy )
Again so much underneath growth and look at her wing spand ( is that ok )

Pic 8 is all the girls ( slumber party tonight )

I have been trying to train fan leaves down and out of the way so lower new growth can get to light.

Also if you notice the red or purple in the stems. I have been monitoring this and its been there since day one. If anyone hasany suggestions please inform me. I have read it could be strain related or mg deficiency. Was considering epsom salt at 1/4 teaspoon. But growth has not stopped or slowed so will continue to monitor. ( unless grow gods - Zandor-Stinky-KindPrincess-Bluebear- Xcrispi-WeedHound- advise otherwise and the rest of you here at cannabis.com I appologize I didn't reference all the grow gods individually ( plants would be smokeable by then) just have read alot of thier posts

Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[DRSICE]

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Plan on upping the nutes friday 1/12 to:

13ml sensigrow A
13ml sensigrow B
6ml B52
8ml fulvic

All values per gallon
PPM should be around 900

Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[mackSwell]

Red on stems can be indicative of Phosphorous deficiency... I don't think it is associated with Mg at all. But it is more likely to be a quirk of the strain, & since you've seen it from the get-go and no other signs of P deficiency (red/purpling on leaves, slow growth), I think you're right not to worry about it.

As MisterE said, most plants merely double (rather than triple) in size during flower. You can either figure on triple to be safe, or assume double and LST if they get too tall.

Lookin' good!

[DRSICE]

Hey all ,

Just changed and upped Res. nutrients.

13ml Sensi Grow A
13ml Sensi Grow B
6ml B52
8ml fulvic

All values per gallon
PPM around 1000

Plants look to be fine up til then ( hope not to much )
Been drinking around 1/2 to 3/4 gallon per day. since tuesday Topping of with ph water only.

Much much branching.

Will post pics tomorrow evening.


Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[fasts102376]

dude they look so heathy:) i hope there a female's for yea! i would'nt take ur ppm over 1200.. keep us posted:)

[DRSICE]

Hey all ,

Sorry i did not update on friday was real busy at work and home. Here is the update of the girls.

Upped nutes on 1-11 to:

13ml Sensi Grow A
13ml Sensi Grow B
6ml B52
8ml fulvic

All values per gallon
PPM around 1000

All seem to love the additional nutes.


Been drinking around 1/2 to 3/4 gallon per day. Topping of with ph water every other day. Nute top off in between at 500 ppm until next res change on thurs. PPM with nute top off Around 800 - 950 depending on plant.

Is it normal to drink that much water/nutes per day? Temps 78F-82F - RH 30-40%

Much much branching.

Attempted cloning today and took 5 cuttings from Izzy and 5 from Piper
( pic 1 and Pic 2)

Using bubble cloner will post pic after dinner.

Still projecting feb 1 switch to flower. Hope growth doesn't explode due to
48" finished product grow space . thats from top of bucket to top of plant with 12-18" between plant and light.

Why are my girls not normal looking? They are like bushes not the standard straight up.


Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[DRSICE]

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One more thing How much more can I up the nutes without damage to the plants?

PS: They are 30 days old form seed or 27 days from sprout



Regards,:vader1:

DRSICE

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[mackSwell]

I wouldn't worry about how much H2O they are 'drinking' as long as they are healthy.

*chuckle* I keep tellin' ya: Bushy plants are good. Some strains (esp. indica) just tend to be that way. The fact that you have good lighting means they don't have to stretch (grow long stems) to reach the light, and this helps to keep them compact. Do you want them to waste their energy growing lots of stems? Ya can't smoke those, and they don't convert light to growth like the leaves do.

As for upping your nutes, I haven't used that brand, so I can't give you an exact measure. Some people recommend upping them gradually each day until you see tip burn (from over-nute), then stopping/backing off slightly. Just watch your PPMs and pH if you do this. And be careful not to overload them with N... This will make them look all dark green and healthy, but eventually it will slow their growth, and might even turn them male.

[DRSICE]

Mackswell ,

Thanks for your support and comments. Its my first grow and though what I have read the girls all look lush and healthy. Just a little weary.

Hey when they are finished I owe you one:jointsmile: ;)

Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[kindprincess]

the big leaves and compact nodes are great for you, more room for flowering. it appears you've hit the nute level jackpot. my last grow was like that, i fed every watering...

kp

[mackSwell]

Sweet.

*grin*

[DRSICE]

Thank-you KP

I've read alot of your posts and followed some of the advice you and some of the other notable growers have offered. I eagerly waiting to get your blessings.:D I like to thank you and all the members of this site for all the positve, problems and debatable information you all have supplied. ( Im not getting soft here ) just sharing my gratitude. ( YEE HAW )


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[notorious P.O.T]

very nice setup man.. your plants look very very healthy.. looking very squat and bushy also a good thing... best of luck man..
~Notorious

[stinkyattic]

Holy crap on my head.
First grow?
Gads.
You have 2 green thumbs and 2 green big toes.
Uhhh.... yeah... I have no advice for you... keep doing exactly what you are doing! :D
(oh can you tell I like your plants?)

[DRSICE]

Hey notorious P.O.T & stinkyattic

You both ROCK !!!!! I have read alot before I even started and for your comments I really appreciate it as you are well known around the cannabis.com community. I have read alot of your posts and advice you have given others and for this I THANK-YOU and everyone at cannabis.com the number one source for cannabis information.( enough of the mushy stuff ) Yeah stinky first ever grow.

Mini update on Izzy pics 1 & 2 ( now 32 days old from seed 30 from sprout )

She showed little signs at tips of over nute but caught immediately and topped rez with ph water only and doing fine. Was feeding at aprox. 1000ppm
Will change all res. Friday and run around 900ppm

She may be showing signs of gender preflower possible ( see pic 3) Pic isn't great but what I see is a little pear shaped bump with 2 white hairs. I also see next to it the spikes or stipules.

Also took 5 cuttings from her on sunday 1-14 ( pic 4 at 2 days old )
Rockwool soaked in ph water 5.8 with 3ml B52 and 3ml fulvic acid values are per gallon.
Using bubbler with dome ( see pic 5 ) humidity around 70% temps 85F
No rooting additives

Started lst on her yesterday and she likes to stretch her legs. or her legs stretched.

Stinky just hopeing for green bud to match thumbs and toes

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DRSICE :vader1:

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[Weedhound]

Lovely, just lovely. I have some ice seeds in the mail. Hope mine end up looking any near like that!

[mackSwell]

RE: Pic 3 -

*squinting* Ah, yes... I see that! At just over a month - You've got a prodigious plant there, Kid! I think it is pretty safe to call Izzy a female - Not a big chance of her going hermie on you since she's abundantly healthy and stress-free.

Izzy is an excellent specimin for cloning. I hope you have success with them!

[stinkyattic]

nice cloner setup.
DIY wOOt

[notorious P.O.T]

u sure this is ur first grow... lol .. very nice..

[DRSICE]

Hey mack, stinky, notorious

Thanks for the kind words ( the ones I know at least - prodigious definition below)

They all seem to be drinking around a 4-6 quarts of water a day now. as rez is low today will do rez change tonite and update with new info and pics.

Again thank-you for your support and comments


prodigious:D


Adj. 1. prodigious - so great in size or force or extent as to elicit awe; "colossal crumbling ruins of an ancient temple"; "has a colossal nerve"; "a prodigious storm"; "a stupendous field of grass"; "stupendous demand"
colossal, stupendous
big, large - above average in size or number or quantity or magnitude or extent; "a large city"; "set out for the big city"; "a large sum"; "a big (or large) barn"; "a large family"; "big businesses"; "a big expenditure"; "a large number of newspapers"; "a big group of scientists"; "large areas of the world"
2. prodigious - of momentous or ominous significance; "such a portentous...monster raised all my curiosity"- Herman Melville; "a prodigious vision"
portentous
significant, important - important in effect or meaning; "a significant change in tax laws"; "a significant change in the Constitution"; "a significant contribution"; "significant details"; "statistically significant"
3. prodigious - far beyond what is usual in magnitude or degree; "a night of exceeding darkness"; "an exceptional memory"; "olympian efforts to save the city from bankruptcy"; "the young Mozart's prodigious talents"

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DRSICE :vader1:

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[mackSwell]

Sorry... I'm kind of a word geek.

I'll try to include a link to www.Dictionary.com in my posts when I get all bombastic on ya. *wink*

[DRSICE]

Hey all ,

Just changed and lowered Res. nutrients.

Lowered ppm cause started to see tip burn.

10ml Sensi Grow A
10ml Sensi Grow B
9ml B52
12ml fulvic

All values per gallon
PPM around 900

33 days old from seed 31 from sprout

Plants have 2 more weeks of veg ( hope the dont get too tall... )
All have been lst'd last couple days and are responding immediately

Been drinking around 1/2 to 3/4 gallon per day. since tuesday Will top off with water every other day until next week. Plan to get more clones this weekend.

Appears to me that 5 of 7 plants have shown preflowers ( tjat is if preflower is what is in pic above ) Looked through magnify glass today and the look like a teardrop or hershey kiss or pear shape with 2 white hairs exiting from them.

First & second pic 3 ice 1 blackJack ( bJ top right )

Third & fourth pic 2 ice 1 BJ ( bJ bottom or bottom left )


BlackJack not as agressive as ice sitting lower and more compact.


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DRSICE :vader1:

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[stinkyattic]

Looked through magnify glass today and the look like a teardrop or hershey kiss or pear shape with 2 white hairs exiting from them.

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It's a girl! HAve a cigar!

[Hightimes817]

Hey DRICE - Very very impressive first grow, i'm going to learn all I can cuz it looks like your a going to be a prodigy!

I'm going to try and copy your exact methods because this is some of the healthiest most prolific looking plants i've seen for a first time grower.

Anyway a few questions, could you describe how you started out the seedlings in more detail? Did they germinate inside the rockwool itself or did you plant the popped seed? And how did you prepare the rockwool? Once they sprouted, what was the watering and feeding schedules? Ive never really been too sure about what to do when the plants first start to grow as far as using a rockwool medium. Between planting the seed and the 3 week progress mark you first showed us your pics, what exactly happened? This is the one area where i find myself confused about what to do.. I know you started the nutes at week 3 but how often was watering before this took place?

[notorious P.O.T]

very nice dude.. looking very healthy and bushy...ur gonna luv the smoke on the ice.. its pretty crazy .. smooth taste with a hard hitting stone...:jointsmile:

[DRSICE]

Hey Notorious, High Times, StinkyAttick

Thanks for the hoots. Just quick pic of lst. This is Phoebe

35 days old

Full update tomorrow

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DRSICE :vader1:

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[DRSICE]

Hey all,

Here is my update as of today.

Just changed and lowered Res. nutrients.

Lowered ppm as for planning to switch to 12/12 in 7 days. ( to lower N ) and switch to AN Sensi Bloom and bloom nutrients.

8ml Sensi Grow A
8ml Sensi Grow B
8ml B52
6ml fulvic

All values per gallon
PPM around 800

37days old from seed 35 from sprout ( 5 weeks )

Plants have 1 more weeks of veg ( hope the dont get too tall... )
All have been lst'd and man are they bushy. Lots of tops on each plant.

Still drinking around 3/4 to 1 gallon per day. since tuesday Will top off with water every other day until next week. Plan to get more clones this weekend.

May encounter a problem as all plants are growing so vigorously. Limited space. I have two grow chambers and barely fits 4 plants each right now.( as they have grown far faster and better than anticipated And if they double to triple in size could be a problem. Planning on building another chamber 4ft x 3ft x 4ft high as I have 2 400 watt mh and 3 hps conversion bulbs. ( maybe 3 plants?

Question: Can I switch to flower now without my Flowering nutrients as for another week of veg may be too much. If so what can I supplement feed them until my nutes arrive?


Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[DRSICE]

more pics....


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DRSICE :vader1:

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[Rhyw]

Nice ice plants man, im growing ice and from your last thread we both about the same timewise into it. Here are some pictures of mine, sorry to invade.

Rhyw :joint1:

[rottenPauL]

omg do those plants look healthy bushy and wild or what?!?! Great job there dude!:D:D:D

[DRSICE]

Thanks rhyw, rotten

Quick update....

40 days old ( seed ) 38 days old ( sprout )

Moved plants to new flower chamber 48"x60"x72" ( 1 of 3 )
1- 48"x60"x60 1- 40"x48"x60

Under two 400watt hps and 160 watt flor. ( side light )

Will switch to 12/12 on friday along with the following nutes:

SensiBloom a 13ml
SensiBloom b 13ml
Fulvic 8ml
Carboload 4ml
BudBlood 1-1/2 gram


Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[kindprincess]

jesus christ!!!

ok, your new name is Dr. Ice.... Excellent, i give you a complete standing ovation... and if those were with me right now, i'd be flipping the switch in a heart beat, lol... the patience you have is amazing.

fantastic first grow, keep us updated with lots and lots and LOTS of pix ;)

kp:p

[DRSICE]

Thanks KP,

Im very happy with the results so far. Very demanding ( these girls love to be tied up ) Changed a few plans and plan to switch to 12/12 tomorrow at 6am.
Around 5 days early as i am affraid of getting too big.

Questions....

-Should I continue veg nutes for first 5 - 7 days of 12/12 or switch immediately? Have read a few different options.
Plan on running nite ( lights off ) temps around 65F-68F ( day temps 75F-78F)
-Can I continue to LST during 12/12?

Just a thought ..................

Scientific Question - If the sun goes down in the evening and any magnetic things happen as the world turns naturally as the plants " natural process recognizes the gravity and pressure differences does this change any thing as i will be making it dark in the daytime when sun is high?

- Dont know squat about science

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DRSICE :vader1:

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[stinkyattic]

That shot of the base of the stem, showing branching, is one of the best pic I've ever seen on this site! Rep to you bro!

[BlackBliss]

They look wicked DRSICE, you'll love ur harvest for sure, btw they will be some big arse plants by the time u finish flowering lmao....BIG. ~Enjoy~
Take It Easy Dude,
Bliss.

[notorious P.O.T]

wow meng.. very very nice.. ur gonna pull quite alot of bud flowerin them uder 800 watts of hps.. looking superb sofar..

[Hightimes817]

Scientific Question - If the sun goes down in the evening and any magnetic things happen as the world turns naturally as the plants " natural process recognizes the gravity and pressure differences does this change any thing as i will be making it dark in the daytime when sun is high?


The Earth's magnetic field is constantly changing in small amounts all the time all around you, regardless of the sun being up in the air or not. The force of gravity never changes by day and night and always remains a constant between the earth and the sun(it keeps us in a nice smooth orbit), and the only thing I can think of that might effect your plants in the daytime is solar radiation. Usually the Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere takes care of most of that radiation, so if any of the particles were to hit your plants i'm sure they would be so faint and negligable they go right through them, like they do us everyday, and not even notice.

By the way AMAZING looking plants dude. Some of the healthiest and bushiest plants I have ever seen. What is the indica / sativa mix on ICE? It looks almost pure indica.

and ps how high were you when you wrote that science question? lol I had to re-read it like 7 times

[brookerosebud]

you can lst all the way through, and as for nutes, i make a lite mix of veg/flower nutes feed the day before the switch, wait a week, and feed flower ferts.

[Chronic Chrissy]

Pheobe and Piper? Somebody watches Charmed!(I've seen almost every episode multiple times since I always forget what happens anyways)

[Chronic Chrissy]

Those plants are looking fat and bushy, and you are keeping them pretty short so hopefully you don't run into space problems. I just can't get over that pic of Pheobe's branches coming off her mainstalk. Great job keep it up!

[DRSICE]

40veg/5flower

Hey all,

Work had me out of town all week. Mrs. been caring for girls
WOW :S1: ( feels like their grown up )

Quick pic update and full update tommorrow evening

Regards,

DRSICE :vader1:

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[KHAN]

Great Job, Looks awesome :S5:

[Land of Drought]

Truly Amazing. First grow like that. Fantasic.
To have a grow like that requires some great lighting Fresh air, nice temps And most off all A Farmer of the best kind Patience,,,

A Garden i hope you reap a Magical Crop..Best of Luck Dr,altough i dont think you need it....

keep us informed because We'll all learn from this one...Some of the best plants ive seen on Cannabis.com.

Respect From Dublin....

[DRSICE]

Hey all,

I really appreciate the KIND comments as they have motivated me to do my best. ( and with Dr Luck on my side so far )

As to my surprise and not seeing the girls for a few days.... DAMN

NO NORE TRAINING BRAS FOR THEM.

The Scoop:

Last week friday gave them

13ml sensi bloom a & B
8ml fulvic
4ml carboload
1.5 gram bud blood
all values per gallon
Bud blood has really pronounced the bud sites
Lights on temps 78-81F
Lights off temps 64-68F

Today's Scoop: ALL ARE GIRLS!!!!!!! 7 females - Preflowers everywhere White Hairs Galore. almost at every node so far

New rez water and nutrients

14ml sensi bloom a & B
8ml fulvic
6ml B-52
4ml carboload
2 grams BIG bud
all values per gallon


pic 1 IZZY ( ice )
pic 2 phoebe ( ice )
pic 3 piper ( ice )
pic 4 Shelby ( blackjack )
pic 5 phoebe ( lots of branching ) Notice the screws in lid just above bucket to lst this allows me to remove tied plants lid and all and place in new bucket with fresh nutes.
pic 6 Piper ( ice ) in group photo she is top right
pic 7 group ( just before lights on tonite to show greenery )

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DRSICE :vader1:

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[mellogold]

looks hella good bro

now iv got some 3 wk old ice babys and now i cant wait till i can jump them up on the nutes

questions

hows the stretch so far?

and did you notice 2 diff phenos? i have i have 3 girls that have the huge broad leaves and 1 with skinny leaves and isnt so short, like the ones with teh broad leaves are "midgets" they have been growing like yours all bush as the other one is busy as hell but is also gettin taller

[RaisingupKillBill]

Yo man looking awesome... I dont comment on here very much but I have followed some of the same growgods you have followed.... For others who read my post listen::: Advanced Nutrients produced Plants like Dr.ICE has produced and then some. Advanced Nutrients as a company does not deny that they produce nutes for marijuana. IF you ever need any help with your nutes just call the hotlines on the side of the bottle and they will give you exact measurements over the phone OR go to advancednutrients.com and click on the nutrient calculator. You and I went into flower on the same day but damn i wish i woulda vegged as long as you did... just wanted to say that i use advanced nutrients 2+ program and you can actually feel the difference in the leaves. Sorry for going on a tear but i love advanced nutrients