mouldy weeeed...

[Abattoir Dream]

IMPORTANT LONG-WINDEDNESS AHEAD... PLEASE READ :)

Okay, on my last thread i said i was gonna get some contaminated weed, and take some pics of it, so you guys know what to look for, so anyway, my friend got an eighth of it a couple nights ago..

it was bright lime green, which told me someone had tried to wash the sand off in water, (good person:)) but then after closer inspection i realized one of the little nugs was covered in BLACK mold....

obviously someone had tried washing off the sand (which doesnt work) and then when they tried to dry it off the air must have got humid enough to cause black mold...

BLACK MOLD IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!!! - NEVER SMOKE IT!!!

So now im pretty pissed off... but with who? well, of course its our friends at the government, the police were made to bust as many growers as possible, this was code-named operation Keymer, now, the whole point of this piss-take operation was to get the 'dangerous' cannabis off of our streets... now, after operation keymer (which was said to be succesful) england has been flooded with contaminated bud... which really is dangerous, and now the even more dangerous black mouldy bud...

THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REALIZE THEY ARE NOT HELPING!!! THEY ARE MAKING THE SITUATION MUCH WORSE! THE LONGER CANNABIS IS ILLEGAL IN THE UK, THE MORE DANGEROUS WEED WILL BE...

NOW THANKS TO THEM AND THE FUCKIN PIGS, THERE ARE FAR MORE DANGEROUS TYPES OF CANNABIS AVAILABLE TO BUY, AND ITS MUCH EASIER TO OBTAIN... WE NEED TO BRING THE TRUTH TO THE PUBLIC EYE... OR THIS SHIT WILL CONTINUE...

IF ANYONE HAS ANY IDEAS WHATSOEVER, PLEASE POST THEM HERE...

COZ IM FUCKIN SICK OF THE BULLSHIT THE GOVERNMENT, THE MEDIA AND THE POLICE ARE FEEDING THE PUBLIC, AND IM SURE YOU ARE TOO... PLEASE, PLEASE HELP IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE...

heres a pic of that black mold shit... WHICH DOES KILL PEOPLE...

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[Delta9 UK]

It needs bringing to the BBC's attention IMHO - thanks for the pics Abattoir Dream keep safe!

[RyanTheCaveman]

Hmmm...Dude that sucks.
i wouldn't smoke it.
:P

[Jedi Hash]

Solution = Grow Your Own

You Brits have no excuse not to, seeds are legal there.

[canuck grower]

That's not much of a solution though because not everyone can grow. Kids who live at home want to get high too, and most of the time they cannot grow. God knows that was the case for me. This problem is much larger than the UK anyway.

Education is the answer. It's so stupid that governments and police are causing more harm than good trying to "help", and spreading lies and unfounded fear about cannabis on top of that. Before even taking real steps in the right direction all the misinformation has to be debunked and people need to be properly educated on the subject of drugs and the pointless (harmful even) war against them. The hard part is educating the people who have the power to make the necessary changes.

Penn & Teller's episode of Bullshit! about the war on drugs was pretty good, but it also shows how hopelessly brainwashed some older folks are on this subject. Many people think that cannabis is a drug in the same class as cocaine, mdma, etc. To them drugs are drugs because that is what they were taught. The government makes bad things illegal so drugs/substances that are illegal must be bad. It's so sad that these views are deeply ingrained in people's minds to the point where they won't listen to anything that goes against it.

I have to admit that it seems a futile battle to fight sometimes. Have you ever tried to teach someone 10-20 years older than you that something that is (almost) internationally accepted as truth and something they've "known" their whole lives is all a lie? Shit... people are taught these things from the time they can talk in a lot of western countries. Drugs are evil, and they think if you say anything contrary you're just high and talking crazy.

Here's a vivid convo I remember with my grandma 10 years ago.

Grandma: "Have you tried drugs?" (note: heroin and pot are in the same group to her)
Me: "Yes."
G: "Did you like it?"
M: "Sure, it was fun."
G: "Oh then something's wrong! You must be addicted!" ... (very worried sounding)

She thought I was a junkie or something because I had smoked pot a couple times when I was 14 and I had fun doing it. Religion is a big part of the problem (with her and in general).

Thanks Abattoir for educating people here about the REAL dangers involved in smoking pot off the street. I have never seen that black mold but now I know what it looks like and can tell/show my friends as well.

[LIP]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. The government dont care about us, and i mean it. They dont. Simple as that, they dont care if we die or live, it doesnt bother them. Thats why i HATE them. And i belive everyone else should to. They're liers, they're cheats, they're many things, but compasionate is one thing they ARE NOT.

[Grape Ape]

Eww..... I hope nobody smokes that... :buzz_saw:

[Delta9 UK]

they dont care if we die or live, it doesnt bother them.

As long as you pay tax....

[orangeman]

I have seen moldy weed. I dunno about the sand though. But before I even read the post I looked at the buds and thought "eww" lol. It looked good but then there was something that I obviously saw wrong with it. I guess I know what to look out for. Thanks for the head's up though. And it is a shame, not everyone just loves weed like us, therefore growing their own might have never been a big thing at all but yet they might end up buying some of that fucked up weed and not knowing and still smoke it. Every time I think about me growing my weed I wish I could just have a garden big enough to supply a whole state with it for free so we don't have to worry about bull shit dealers. Why can't people just sell all good buds and just discard of the buds with mold and inferior quality... God I hate the people of this world lol.

[mr_vega]

could make this a sticky.

[nikweiser]

they made it safer because you aren't smoking the weed now

[HinduKush83]

Mold is natural so it wont hurt if you consume it, but I still would never smoke moldy weed or any weed that was contaminated such as laced stuff.

Indeed prohibition is the killer. Holland has the best model, but it still does not fully look at the issue of supply, so sometimes the coffeeshops are supplied by criminal entities but probably some shops just grow it themselves in conspicuous places and the prices are far cheaper then in the US.

The Dutch people are allowed to grow 5 plants for personal consumption.

[wrasler]

Mold is natural so it wont hurt if you consume it, but I still would never smoke moldy weed or any weed that was contaminated such as laced stuff.

unfortunately, BLACK MOLD is deadly to the respiratory tract, as evidenced by the fact that living in close proximity to it can very easily cause severe harm to your body.

[OniEhtRedrum781]

yuck, looks fuckin' gross

[Abattoir Dream]

they made it safer because you aren't smoking the weed now

they didnt do shit, I made it so no-one smoked that... remember in the first post it was my friends weed, well, i took it off of him, without him knowing (he wanted to smoke it:() and threw it in the bin, the government had no hand in it whatsoever...


The Dutch people are allowed to grow 5 plants for personal consumption. its actually only three plants.. my friend lives there..


Solution = Grow Your Own

You Brits have no excuse not to, seeds are legal there.

yeh, i do grow my own, but that shit doesnt last through the whole year, especially as im limited to a v. small growspace right now... so basically, canucks right, its not as easy as you think...


I've said it before and i'll say it again. The government dont care about us, and i mean it. They dont. Simple as that, they dont care if we die or live, it doesnt bother them. Thats why i HATE them. And i belive everyone else should to. They're liers, they're cheats, they're many things, but compasionate is one thing they ARE NOT.

Amen.

The only real way to get this message out to the country, that weed needs to be decriminalized, would be to get a newspaper to cover it, (preferably the sun) and have a massive campaign for legalization, i think, if the sun newspaper was confronted with the facts about cannabis, and then the reality of whats goin on now, they would help us out, we've all been denied of our freedom to smoke a harmless plant for too long... and it needs to fuckin stop...

it seems the idea of legalization is becoming more realistic nowadays, i mean, the amount of stuff ive seen on tv recently about cannabis... pretty much everyone has a thumbs up opinion on legalization, its only the faggits that everyone hates anyway that want to keep it down...

soon there should be a thread, in which EVERYONE comes together to get the message out, and i dont just mean flyers and stickers, i mean lets go worldwide :) lol shit like news coverage... big things... i mean, all we need is for one paper to take interest in what we want to do, and then the more they back us, the more people find out the truth on cannabis... after all, i just want people to know what this amazing plant can do, and thinking about it, i bet there are dying people out their now, who would benifit from cannabis use...but cant as its illegal..

or even worse, there could be sick people using cannabis for medicinal purposes, ending up with moldy sand weed instead...that is not justice...

one day soon, shits gonna change...

[Monoxide90]

Afterall, whats all the big fuss about a plant?

Aren't there so many other issues the police could be putting all that effort into tackling.

[TheBudBuster]

the plants been here before us...

Down the Govt...

NI here and happy to help in any way... as ive always said.. but im not to good at coming up with ideas... goood reader and talker...

Peace
TBB

[LIP]

Someone is smoking a cannabis joint in their own home watching TV. Afterwards they go to bed. When they wake up they're happy and go to work.

How is this illegal?

Someone goes out and gets drunk, they stagger home after stabbing someone in the neck, pass out, and if they dont die during the night from alcohol poisoning they wake up the next afternoon with a hangover, they're late for work, and they're covered in blood.

How is this legal?

The government are complete idiots. IDIOTs. They do not know how to run a country.

They cant carry on arresting people for smoking a plant. A plant which is less harmless then tobacco and alcohol, which are two drugs that are legal. WHY are they legal? Im starting to think the government wants us to smoke and drink ourselves to death.

It is obvious to ANYONE that they well and truely do not care about us, and afterall, WERE the people THEY are working for, so why dont they legalise cannabis like WE want.

Our country is turning into a lump of shit, because the government cant do ANYTHNG right.

Hospitals are killing patients because of "superbugs" like MRSA. People are having to wait months and months for simple operations. The government have no idea how many illegal immigrants are comming into this country. They have no idea how many prisoners are on the loose. They have no idea about how to control education, or the youth of England which is turning into thugs, hellbent on causing harm to others, and damaging stuff for the fun of it.

If our government stopped wasting OUR tax money, which is through the fucking roof anyway, they'd have more to spend on the NHS, education and prison control. You know, where REAL criminals should be.

By arresting and prosecuting harmless cannabis smokers that are not harming anyone at all they're wasting thousands each day, thousands of pounds that could be spent on sorting out this country, and catching criminals who are dangerous. Not people who smoke a plant.

They throw out all this bullshit about a plant, they dont care about the truth. They dont care about us.

They'd rather bust all the grow ops and look good than leave it so we can smoke good safe weed.

Almost all of their lies, oh hang on, they're lies that they like to call fact have been proven wrong.

Cannabis doesnt kill brains cells.
Cannabis doesnt kill people.
Cannabis isnt a gateway drug.
Cannabis most defiantly has medicinal value.
Cannabis is a plant, not a drug.
Cannabis has been around longer than any of us, yet they feel they can ban it.


Cannabis is a wonder plant, with thousands of uses, yet our government would rather keep it illegal.

They should be concentrating on REAL drugs, like crack and meth. They're the drugs that cause crime, they're the drugs that need to be off our streets.

The English Government have no idea how to run any country, espcially not ours.

I say dont vote for them. Labour has done nothing for us, nothing. EVerything they have done we have been against. They're corrupt, they're ignorant, and they're not bothered in the slightest.

One day, when our generation is in power, cannabis will be legal, because our generation know that the government properganda is made up of sickening lies.

The UN said last year cannabis is as harmful as heroin and cocaine. Now, it doesnt take a geneious to realise that is the biggest load of bullshit probably ever said about cannabis.

The only way to make this country better is to make smoking a plant legal, so they police can concentrate on their jobs; arresting criminals. Not people who smoke a plant.

[TheBudBuster]

they are killing us one by one... im planning on leaving my beloved Eire to live in more peacefull lands... netherlands here i come... next january..
even the english side of Ireland is goin to the dogs... no offence.. but the english should have been whiped out long before they took ireland .. india .amerika.almost all the world.,and theve left very rotten seeds... and were falling apart or turning against eachother... It makes me sick to be a part of it...

[Jedi Hash]

Mold is natural so it wont hurt if you consume it, but I still would never smoke moldy weed or any weed that was contaminated such as laced stuff.


My god, that's one of the most irresponsible statements I've read on this site. If you think everything natural is good for you, why don't you try this little experiment next spring? Go out to the woods and hunt for mushrooms. Everyone you find, you eat. Let us know how it goes. :D

[Abattoir Dream]

yep.. your completely right... other than the drunk stabbing part..lol

what annoys me most, is that pretty much all the police ive spoken to dont want to have to deal with cannabis, and dont want to prosecute people who use it, ive even been let off once or twice. Im sure everyone else who isnt against weed doesnt want them to waste their time either... so why they fuck do they?!?

i say lets make our own fuckin party... and sort england the fuck out...

im sure we wont do half as bad as them... all we need to win the attention of the voting public is a few new laws, a temple for jedi's, a slight decrease in tax and substantial increase in funding of the NHS (and more), start funding something to uphold animal rights, eventually stamp out poverty and racism and fight for religious equality...

then pass a law saying no other partys can enter the election :)

so many different people would vote for us...

[LIP]

Mold is natural so it wont hurt if you consume it, but I still would never smoke moldy weed or any weed that was contaminated such as laced stuff.



The Dutch people are allowed to grow 5 plants for personal consumption.

Please dont post giving advice if you dont understand it. Because if you think you can smoke or eat mold your VERY wrong. If it wasnt for the people who know what they're talking about, some noob might have read what you put and actually done it. Then it would have been your fault. Once again, dont post unles you know what your talking about.

Really that post deserves negative rep, as this is the exact thing the rep points are meant for.

[LIP]

yep.. your completely right... other than the drunk stabbing part..lol

what annoys me most, is that pretty much all the police ive spoken to dont want to have to deal with cannabis, and dont want to prosecute people who use it, ive even been let off once or twice. Im sure everyone else who isnt against weed doesnt want them to waste their time either... so why they fuck do they?!?

i say lets make our own fuckin party... and sort england the fuck out...

im sure we wont do half as bad as them... all we need to win the attention of the voting public is a few new laws, a temple for jedi's, a slight decrease in tax and substantial increase in funding of the NHS (and more), start funding something to uphold animal rights, eventually stamp out poverty and racism and fight for religious equality...

then pass a law saying no other partys can enter the election :)

so many different people would vote for us...

That's what i was thinking, but it's very hard to make a pollitical party, let alone get people to vote for it. BUT, i reckon it would work, as long as were giving the English people what they want. If they get what they want, they'd vote for us, but then again we have the ptoblem of publicity to get people to vote for us, and i doubt that would go down very well. One day i want to be able to walk past police stations and the houses of parliment with a half oz blunt and say, "fuck you, it's legal now."

[TheBudBuster]

"fuck you, it's legal now."


Thats it... but how can this be done.. does anyone here have the ability to start a political party...
Nope

Would the Govt that has us by the testes just let go.. no ..

We have no chance untill the war on drugs is corrected and is accually working.all those politicans are living the best lives anone could live... i dont want to start felling bad. but i just dont think its right...
Remember the politican who had a year long session with a rent boy...sick.

Hahahahaha
theres where our tax is going... up some fuck snooddies nose...never mind repair ing the 60 year old hospitals that surround us.. where people go in for a basic operation, and come out with a fwe days to live.. The uk suppose to be a super power. yet they cant even sort out their own country...

I watch kemp on gangs last nite and its fucking hillarious the way sex slavesand illegals get into the country..

They just walk on in... with their multi faked passport .

peace

[Land of Drought]

Legalize Alliance could'nt do it (The London march is off this yr or was that last yr). I dont think so lads. Its been tryed. Howard Marks is pretty well known he only got a couple of hundred votes. Its been done. Lip has it in One the gov 's of the world dont give a fk. Its mind control in full effect they dont want you to think for yourself Cannabis promotes toughts..
There is no argument we can list off pages off reasons all correct in one way or another, but base line fact is they dont give a fuck and theres no accounting for stupid people. Abb, your also bang on but only a minority in any society will be open minded unfort we are in a minority. preaching to the converted here doesnt work in the outside world.

Peace Out D

[Nocturnal Stoner]

the sad thing is i had some bud which had sand on it at the beginning of december, but smoking wasnt an different just the same harshness, got most of the sand off like 90% but if it was contaminated what are the symptoms towards health, i'm currently on a 6 month break and hope it will give my lungs a break.

Any help would be grateful, btw it wasnt grit definately sand, and i heard that sand needs to burn at an extremely high temperature to burn, and wont burn from a 3 second lighter flame.

Also if the fucking BNP party can congregate in this country then surely a cannabis party should be allowed to stand, although i dont know much on politics

[BobBong]

Cannabis is a medicinal and recreational DRUG.

Never forget that.

Cannabis is a plant AND a drug.

Know your Cannabis.

Bob.

[Trip06]

Cigarete companys are a billion apon billion dollar industry imagine what would happen to that industry if weed were legal.......the goverment wouldnt get there cut.

yeah I smoke cigarets, but I do believe we are not going to get legalizeation due to the fact the government is bribed by big tobacoo.

DRUG DEALERS FOR LIFE!

[Grade A]

I think it's going to be a long time before we see (if we are even lucky enough in our generation) complete decriminalization for cannabis. Which is too bad. There are numerous effects its medicinal properties can heal but without proper study and factual representation weâ??ll never know itâ??s full potential.

My personal opinion regarding the illegalization is:

All substances subsidized by the government are addictive (medications, alcohols, and tobacco); however, pot is not addictive. If a party does not develop a dependency to a substance, what will keep the consumer coming back for more? If the consumer does not NEED the substance, how will the company generate revenue? If a company is not generating revenue, how will the government be able to collect income tax? They wonâ??t. If a substance such as pot which is easily cultivated and inexpensive to produce is made legal, how will the government benefit from this operation? They wonâ??t.

Another theory I haveâ?¦

The governments are afraid that weed will pacify their people. If people are peaceful, they wonâ??t fight for their country. If there is no fighting, there is no progress. Without progress society will fall apart.

However, all this is pure speculation from another â??criminal pot headâ?�â?¦ albeit from an honor student in High School and a Deanâ??s list student in collegeâ?¦ but what do I know?


Iâ??m a Caucasian from the good olâ?? U.S. of A., and for a country that was founded on the immigration of the white people, we had the nerve to outlaw a plant in the early 19th century because minority (most notably Mexican) immigrants (that heard of the great new life in the United States) were notorious for smoking reefer while working in the agricultural fields, and we thought we could disparage their â??lazinessâ?� or possibly discourage their immigration into the country if we criminalized the substance in question. Knowing the facts, I cannot, with a good-conscience, hold this law in high regard because of itâ??s racial prejudice. We do not abide by â??Jim Crowe Lawsâ?� anymore; therefore, I cannot accept this so called law.

Until the day comes where pot is decriminalized, Iâ??ll be considered a criminalâ?¦ although I will not hurt a single individual with my hobby.

:) :jointsmile:

[Nocturnal Stoner]

one thing I wanted to see before I died was the decriminalisation of marijuana...I guess it will never happen

[Monoxide90]

It's just typical injustice.
The foundation on which this unfair world is built.
And will unfortunatley stay :(

[LIP]

Cannabis is a medicinal and recreational DRUG.

Never forget that.

Cannabis is a plant AND a drug.

Know your Cannabis.

Bob.

Thats just not true. It's a plant. Not a drug. The government call it a drug. Does that mean it IS? No, it doesnt.

I supose it's how you think of a drug, but a plant to me cannot be a drug.

[canuck grower]

Substance from lots of plants can be drugs.

from http://www.answers.com/drug

1.
a) A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.

b) Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

Of course cannabis is a drug. In fact it should at least be a legal drug that you can get a prescription for.

[Uppen]

If cannabis is a plant is THC the drug? ... Like beer is a drink but Alcahol is a drug. tobacco/nicotine etc.

[LIP]

Any substance can be a drug. Substances in mushrooms, cacti, cannabis, cocoa, lots of things.

from http://www.answers.com/drug


Of course cannabis is a drug. In fact it should at least be a legal drug that you can get a prescription for.

I still dont think of cannabis as a drug. To me it's a plant, it grows in the dirt. Say what you like, show me all the evidence you like, ignorance is bliss as i always say and im happy to be ignorant, i refuse to belive some bullshit written by someone i dont know. To me cannabis is a plant. It's not a drug.

[notransfer]

THC in cannabis is a drug...it is the substance upon which consuming causes the effects of inebriation...cannabis is a plant within the plant is delta 9 thc...a drug...as such nicotine in tobacco is a drug...but tobacco itself is a crop or a plant.
when i read that they were attempting to clean up and make bad weed disappear and the next thing you knew was all the bud was sandy or moldy with some sorta poisonous mold I've never seen before my conspiracy theory brain kicked in, as it does too often.
cigs are laced with chems to boost addiction and speed up death..in my opinion, like population control..
marijuana legalization would be a partnership with cig companies and nothing would be pure and the quality levels would have a ceiling...
it's potentially safer being a black market without the aforementioned mold inception and the filth hands of corp. and govt. grasping the market making money, becoming rich beyond rich while they weed us out, no pun intended.
i think if marijuana was legalized, the black market we know of would remain and be more popular than otc marijuana.

[canuck grower]

Cannabis is a plant. THC is a drug commonly found in the cannabis plant.

Whether or not you consider it a drug is just a semantic issue, that's all. It's something that alters your consciousness when ingested or smoked. I'm sure that we can agree on. :jointsmile:

[LIP]

THC in cannabis is a drug...it is the substance upon which consuming causes the effects of inebriation...cannabis is a plant within the plant is delta 9 thc...a drug...as such nicotine in tobacco is a drug...but tobacco itself is a crop or a plant.
when i read that they were attempting to clean up and make bad weed disappear and the next thing you knew was all the bud was sandy or moldy with some sorta poisonous mold I've never seen before my conspiracy theory brain kicked in, as it does too often.
cigs are laced with chems to boost addiction and speed up death..in my opinion, like population control..
marijuana legalization would be a partnership with cig companies and nothing would be pure and the quality levels would have a ceiling...
it's potentially safer being a black market without the aforementioned mold inception and the filth hands of corp. and govt. grasping the market making money, becoming rich beyond rich while they weed us out, no pun intended.
i think if marijuana was legalized, the black market we know of would remain and be more popular than otc marijuana.

But if it was legal more people would grow it, well, ALOT more, so people buying could get it from growers [theyre would probably be enough of them around] and if your not buying, your growing obiously. I still think it should be legal. There is no justifictaion what so ever for it to be illegal.

And i'd like to point out Delta 9 Tetrahydrocannabinol is not the only phycoactive cannabinoid with the cannabis plant. There's over 60 cannabinoids with the cannabis plant, some active and some not active. The active ones will work with the THC and provide a better, or differnt high. An example of a non active cannabinoid is 11 hydroxycannabinol. That's without touching on CBN and CBG also found within the cannabis plant. In the oil inside the trichomes and also the plant matter.

delta 6 tetrahydrocannabinol is the active compound in budder, which is between 80 and 100% THC, unlike hashish which is commonly 40% THC.

So, THC wouldnt be the only drug in cannabis. ALSO, drug tests DO NOT test for THC, as THC [delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol] is out of the body within about 3 - 4 hours after smoking, sometimes even as quick as 2 hours. Drug tests test for the cannabinoids left in your blood, unrine, hair, or saliva. It's the by product if you will.

So really THC isnt the only drug in cannabis.

But i still dont think of cannabis as a drug. To me it's a plant and will be regardless of what it has in it.

[notransfer]

dont be pissed off lol

[LIP]

dont be pissed off lol

its ok man, im not im just stating some facts.

[itchy]

Hi guys am new here and i agree with 99% of what all are saying but cannabis is not 100% safe or harmless. I know it dont kill brain cells and all the other propaganda thats dished out but it does contain a high amount cancer causing (carcinogenics) chemicals not as many as tobacco i might add but still the risk is there. Just my 2ps! nothing is 100% harmless.

:jointsmile:

[Grade A]

it does contain a high amount cancer causing (carcinogenics) chemicals not as many as tobacco i might add but still the risk is there. Just my 2ps! nothing is 100% harmless.

:jointsmile:

You're right. There are carcinogens (sodium laureth sulfate for example) in shampoo and soap; meanwhile, the products which contain these substances are not illegal.

[itchy]

You're right. There are carcinogens (sodium laureth sulfate for example) in shampoo and soap; meanwhile, the products which contain these substances are not illegal.

You dont smoke shampoo or soap!

I dont think it should be illegal and i dont like that it is seen to be more harmful than alcohol but its not totaly harmless thats all i am saying. I know i have smoked tonnes of the stuff and i had to stop for a while cuz i was smoking over 1oz a week on my own, now i dont even smoke that a month. If i had continued it would have been oxygen bottle at the front door in no time.

[Grade A]

Welcome to the board Ithcy. I knew what you were saying. I was just stating that other products that aren't consumed inside your body have the same ill effects. For God sakes, I hope no one smokes shampoo, but I heard that shit f*cks you up!

Nah. Just kidding.

I used to be the same way. I'd smoke a half oz of dank each week, now I'm probably down to a gram or two a week. If you play any sports or do any cardio activity, you probably don't have too much to worry about with your lungs.

[Abattoir Dream]

I think it's going to be a long time before we see (if we are even lucky enough in our generation) complete decriminalization for cannabis. Which is too bad. There are numerous effects its medicinal properties can heal but without proper study and factual representation we’ll never know it’s full potential.

My personal opinion regarding the illegalization is:

All substances subsidized by the government are addictive (medications, alcohols, and tobacco); however, pot is not addictive. If a party does not develop a dependency to a substance, what will keep the consumer coming back for more? If the consumer does not NEED the substance, how will the company generate revenue? If a company is not generating revenue, how will the government be able to collect income tax? They won’t. If a substance such as pot which is easily cultivated and inexpensive to produce is made legal, how will the government benefit from this operation? They won’t.

Another theory I have…

The governments are afraid that weed will pacify their people. If people are peaceful, they won’t fight for their country. If there is no fighting, there is no progress. Without progress society will fall apart.

However, all this is pure speculation from another “criminal pot head”… albeit from an honor student in High School and a Dean’s list student in college… but what do I know?


I’m a Caucasian from the good ol’ U.S. of A., and for a country that was founded on the immigration of the white people, we had the nerve to outlaw a plant in the early 19th century because minority (most notably Mexican) immigrants (that heard of the great new life in the United States) were notorious for smoking reefer while working in the agricultural fields, and we thought we could disparage their “laziness” or possibly discourage their immigration into the country if we criminalized the substance in question. Knowing the facts, I cannot, with a good-conscience, hold this law in high regard because of it’s racial prejudice. We do not abide by “Jim Crowe Laws” anymore; therefore, I cannot accept this so called law.

Until the day comes where pot is decriminalized, I’ll be considered a criminal… although I will not hurt a single individual with my hobby.


one thing I wanted to see before I died was the decriminalisation of marijuana...I guess it will never happen

WTF?!? ur all just gonna accept defeat that easy? whats the point of basically telling yourself not to fight for your rights because you have already lost...

i thought when i joined this site there were ppl out there who wanted to make changes, all ive seen so far is people argueing between themselves about weed... which, lets face it, gets us nowhere...

i dunno about all you guys but i for one am gonna try my hardest to change things, and whether im alone or not, at least i know im contributing to a change which is extremely important for the future, and nevertheless, a change i believe in....

Id rather live my life fighting for what i believe is right, than die in regret for what i could have changed about the world....

[LIP]

Hi guys am new here and i agree with 99% of what all are saying but cannabis is not 100% safe or harmless. I know it dont kill brain cells and all the other propaganda thats dished out but it does contain a high amount cancer causing (carcinogenics) chemicals not as many as tobacco i might add but still the risk is there. Just my 2ps! nothing is 100% harmless.

:jointsmile:


Yes, but there is no direct link between heavey cannabis use over a long period of time and ANY form of cancer, so i wouldnt worry. No one has ever died, people out there smoke tons... and dont die. So i wouldnt worry.

Infact cannabis can control some cancers [stopping the speading] and for all we know, it could be a cure.

But your right, nothing is harmless. You can OD on so many things, the most unkown one is probably water. Some people dont belive me... tbh i dont acre, their the ignorant morons, but yeah, hardly anything is harmless.

But as far as im concerned cannabis is, i've been smoking for a long time, and i've ben smoking large amounts and it's never done anything bad to me, not even a cough.

[xxxhazexxx]

mold kills its as simple as that.sand weed as everyone calls it is in fact fiberglass and that fucking kills u aswell acording to weedworld its grown in eastern europe in computer run werehouses they shake the weed to make hash then spay the shit and just like the shit hash it all gets sent here.so grow your own.keep up the good work dudes

[LIP]

mold kills its as simple as that.sand weed as everyone calls it is in fact fiberglass and that fucking kills u aswell acording to weedworld its grown in eastern europe in computer run werehouses they shake the weed to make hash then spay the shit and just like the shit hash it all gets sent here.so grow your own.keep up the good work dudes

Ahhh, it's a shame none of thats actually true. It's not happening in other countries, it's happening in England. Concidering over 90% of our skunk is homegrown i cant see how anyone could seriously think that its all comming in from abroad. There's too many myths about it now.

I dont belive it's fiber glass, more likely to be a grit, maybe not sand, but im almost positive it's not fiberglass, although IF it is then yes, it's very bad for you.

I work with fiber glass every day of the week [im a boat builder]

But look at it this way.

Good dealers should also be friends with their customers. They shouldnt buy this sandy weed to sell on, it's not fair on the customers. So if you dealer is buying sandy weed and selling it he doesnt care about you, he just cares about how much money he can get.

If you get sandy weed, shake it off, and dont buy from that dealer again. I thought it was starting to clear up but obviously not.

Luckily i havnt had to smoke it yet. Well, i never will.

[Abattoir Dream]

you cant shake it off... you cant wash it off... and even if you do, it rots...

either dont smoke it or run the unknown risk...

[LIP]

you cant shake it off... you cant wash it off... and even if you do, it rots...

either dont smoke it or run the unknown risk...

But you said in an earlier thread that you got some and shook it most of it off so it was alright? Or am i getting confused?

Im sure it does shake off. You might have to really give it one to get it off but im sure most of it will come off.

Otherwise i'd say water cure. The grit will sink, the plant matter will be cleaner to smoke and the THC doesnt get affected.

But, we shouldnt have to be put through this. Why should we? We sghould be able to buy good normal weed without having to worry.

This is what our government does for us... dont you just want to slit their throats..

[Abattoir Dream]

lol yeh, well sed, but the stuff on the weed is believed to be sprayed on the weed at high pressure while its wet, then the grit stuff absorbs water and puffs up to look like THC... (but it doesnt..)

the government are just retards... fuckin retards... and the fuckin pigs...

[xxxhazexxx]

hello again if u notice on this nasty shit it looks like the old ducth brick weed that used to come over in the 90s and u will notice there is no big buds thats because they shake the shit and acording to weedworld mag the spay contaned fiber glass.p.s.anyway the shit is bad 4 u so leave it alone.:)

[Fluffhead]

Hi guys am new here and i agree with 99% of what all are saying but cannabis is not 100% safe or harmless. I know it dont kill brain cells and all the other propaganda thats dished out but it does contain a high amount cancer causing (carcinogenics) chemicals not as many as tobacco i might add but still the risk is there. Just my 2ps! nothing is 100% harmless.

:jointsmile:

Read the news dudester. Cannabis does not cause cancer. Cannabis has never killed anyone. Cannabis kills cancer cells. Cannabis can halt the progression of a tumor or malignant growth.
Have a nice day.

[KottonMouthKid]

i recently got fronted an 0 of some dro, i had to break the news to my good friend that fronted me it that most of the weed in the zip had molded.

moldy weed = NO GOOD

[klup]

i think saw something where a woman lived to 105 in india and attributed it to her daily use of marijuana.

this world is fueled by greed, so itll be a while until its legalized, unless democrats open up their minds and do it. maybe baroco? will do be the one.

[Abattoir Dream]

hello again if u notice on this nasty shit it looks like the old ducth brick weed that used to come over in the 90s and u will notice there is no big buds thats because they shake the shit and acording to weedworld mag the spay contaned fiber glass

its not brickweed, its not from holland, you do get big buds in it and its NOT FIBERGLASS!!!! whoever keeps saying that shit, tell them to shut up, i think i know what fiberglass looks like...

that fuckin magazine is a joke if they think its fiberglass.. scientists dont even know what it is yet, and its not hard to know if its fiberglass, so i very much doubt it is...

[Monoxide90]

I suggest you set up one of those 'poll' things (you can set them up on the web).
Get loads & loads of people to sign it (believe me they will).
Google will index it eventually and then you never know who might come across it :)

[itchy]

Read the news dudester. Cannabis does not cause cancer. Cannabis has never killed anyone. Cannabis kills cancer cells. Cannabis can halt the progression of a tumor or malignant growth.
Have a nice day.


They claim to have discovered evidence that cannabis smoking causes the same kind of damage to DNA as tobacco. "We did a test to detect changes in a particular gene in the DNA in their white blood cells, and found that the marijuana smokers had three times as many DNA damaged cells as the non-smokers," Dr Ammenheuser states. She held that a group of chemicals called poly-aromatic hydrocarbons are responsible. Similarly Dr Michael Roth discovered preliminary evidence that THC, the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis, may promote a carcinogenic effect.

This would seem to be in direct contradiction to the findings of Dr Louis Harris from the Medical College of Virginia though, who discovered that delta-8 THC, delta-9 THC and cannabinol (all components of THC) are quite active as anti-cancer agents.

Without any CONCLUSIVE PROOF on either side of the argument, the debate continues.

Hmmm Dudster am I ! :jointsmile:

[itchy]

Burning marijuana for smoking releases many substances other than THC, the ingredient which produces the drug's psychoactive effects. THC does not appear to be carcinogenic, but some of the other chemicals released by both marijuana and tobacco smoke are problematic. These include tar, carbon monoxide, and cyanide. One known carcinogen, benzopyrene, though found in both types of smoke, seems to be greater in pot smoke.

Oh yes i am a dudster!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LIP]

We all know about the carciogens in cannabis smoke.

However, if you blow the hit out in a natural breath [3 seconds] then you can expell nearly all of the bad stuff and still get all the THC absorbed.

Heavy cannabis use over long period of time does not increase your chances or cancer. There is no direct link between it and any cancer forming, inslucing lung cancer.

Cannabis kills free radicals that cause cancer.

Cannabis can control some cancers and stop it spreading to other parts of the body.

Cannabis has never given a single person cancer. Tobacco on the other hand does it to thousands and thousands a day.

Cannabis has never killed a single human being.

Tobacco has killed a handful just while i typed this.

Cannabis is as good as harmless.

[Abattoir Dream]

yeh, i have to agree with lip, i mean, who really gives a fuck if weed can give you cancer... its hardly likely is it? but tobacco on the other hand, ppl KNOW that does cause cancer... pretty easily too.. but it still gets sold, and is still legal..

what bothers me is that they clearly never tested tobacco half as thoroughly as this, they just said 'well give it to ppl, and test it later..' which is dumb...

Im gonna laugh... when, after all this time theyve spent on sending weed through so many trials... and over so many hurdles it comes out the other end laughing... still saving lives :) - GO GANJA!!!

[itchy]

My point is that its not totally harmless it might or might not give you cancer. But its not 100% harmless. My personal opinion is its about 50% as harmfull as tobacco. If you used a vapourizer all the time then i would say its near 90% harmless. Also there are growers usually cash heads who dont flush properly so you going to be smoking a bit of hydro or soil chemicals which cannot be healthy.

In the long run you kick the arse out of cannabis (like i used too) and it will do something to you in the end just like drinking too much or smoking too much eating too many fatty foods etc the list goes on. A spliff a day keeps the doctor away 20 spliffs a day and your looking for trouble. :jointsmile:

[slipknotpsycho]

Solution = Grow Your Own

You Brits have no excuse not to, seeds are legal there.

technically neither do we.... just cuz they're illegal here doesn't mean it's any harder to get them...

[LIP]

My point is that its not totally harmless it might or might not give you cancer. But its not 100% harmless. My personal opinion is its about 50% as harmfull as tobacco. If you used a vapourizer all the time then i would say its near 90% harmless. Also there are growers usually cash heads who dont flush properly so you going to be smoking a bit of hydro or soil chemicals which cannot be healthy.

In the long run you kick the arse out of cannabis (like i used too) and it will do something to you in the end just like drinking too much or smoking too much eating too many fatty foods etc the list goes on. A spliff a day keeps the doctor away 20 spliffs a day and your looking for trouble. :jointsmile:

I've been smoking 7 grams a day for the last 4 years, and for the last 3 or 4 months i've been smoking even more than that [Back problem]

Before that i was smoking maybe, an 1/8 or less a day.

I've been smoking since i was 11.

I've never had an health complaints from smoking weed, OR tobacco [for which im thankful, i quit end of last year]

I'd NEVER say cannabis was as 50% harmful as thobacco, tbh i think that is a stupid comment.

Concidering cannabis kills thousands every day, cannabis kills none.

No one has ever got cancer from cannabis use alone.

Im not going to bother listing the facts again, but cannabis is more like 90% less harmful than tobacco, and thats smoking weed, vaping the lot.

I've never even got a smokers cough from it [i know some people do, but that doesnt mean it's harmful, it means they dont like smoke]

[Delta9 UK]

PAH's are what everyone keeps jumping up and down about.

Yes Cannabis smoke does contain more of these agents than tobacco smoke (no really it does!) but it isn't as simple as that....

From here :: http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21

Thus, despite potentially higher levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH) found in cannabis smoke compared to tobacco smoke (dependent on what part of the plant is smoked), the THC present in cannabis smoke should exert a protective effect against pro-carcinogens that require activation. In contrast, nicotine activates some CYP1A1 activities, thus potentially increasing the carcinogenic effects of tobacco smoke

[Delta9 UK]

Remember also that many of Tobacco's lethal qualities are due to the conditions and methods of growing the crop.

Plus Tobacco companies are all Satans' own Fuck Buddies imho.

[Abattoir Dream]

yeh man... i wanna know when they are gonna stop testin on THC and start testing actual cannabis matter, after all its not just THC that gets you stoned, and its not just THC that ppl smoke...

[LIP]

I've been smoking 7 grams a day for the last 4 years, and for the last 3 or 4 months i've been smoking even more than that

Before that i was smoking maybe, an 1/8 or less a day.

I've been smoking since i was 11.

I've never had an health complaints from smoking weed, OR tobacco [for which im thankful, i quit end of last year]

I'd NEVER say cannabis was as 50% harmful as thobacco, tbh i think that is a stupid comment.

[B]Concidering cannabis kills thousands every day, cannabis kills none.

No one has ever got cancer from cannabis use alone.

Im not going to bother listing the facts again, but cannabis is more like 90% less harmful than tobacco, and thats smoking weed, vaping the lot.

I've never even got a smokers cough from it [i know some people do, but that doesnt mean it's harmful, it means they dont like smoke]

That's meant to read Concidering tobacco kills thousands every day, cannabis kills none and never has done.

sorry i was fucked and still am.

[sgS2]

hahaha...u think cannabis ever gave anyone lung cancer? i always wonder that...but arnt sure

[LIP]

hahaha...u think cannabis ever gave anyone lung cancer? i always wonder that...but arnt sure

Well theres no link between heavy cannabis use over a lone period of time and any form of cancer including lung cancer. Infact, THC has been found to control some cancers and stop them spreading to other parts of the body. It also keeps healthy cells alive.

But, there has never been one case of cancer solely because of cannabis use.

One day it might even be found to be a cure... and if it is the government would have killed millions... which in itself is MURDER.

[Abattoir Dream]

nah... never.. i go with that scientist that says its anti-carninogenic or w/e just because ive seen so many people smoke sooo much, for sooo long and they havent even had a cough yet...

[Abattoir Dream]

lip... i need ur msn man...

[LIP]

alex roth _ 14 [at] hotmail [dot] com

Take the spaces out and relace the words with @ and . and you got it. :)

[Abattoir Dream]

sweet...:)

[itchy]

I've been smoking 7 grams a day for the last 4 years, and for the last 3 or 4 months i've been smoking even more than that [Back problem]


Now i know you talking shit 7 grams a day thats 49 grams a week or put it into context 1/4 kilo a month! thats say £200 a week habit you have there m8! Are you a rich or do you have a huge crop on the go? So you smoked 280 odd kilos in 4 years Hmmmm i just seen a pig fly past my window!

I know you have posted many comments and help on this website and you have a certain amount of respect but come on 1/4oz a day! You say you been smoking since you were 11 how old are you now?

If i smoked that much weed i would seriously consider getting help i used to smoke an OZ a week and i kicked the arse out of it and you need to be unemployed to smoke that much for a start, i remember reading you are a boat builder did you say ? No many boats been built then i guess :stoned:

This website/forum is full of air heads!!!!

LAST POST FROM ME THATS FOR SURE ! :confused:

[itchy]

My mistake not 280 kilo more like 10 kilo+ !!

Just correcting my error! Still its alot of weed!!

[Crosis]

Mold is natural so it wont hurt if you consume it, but I still would never smoke moldy weed or any weed that was contaminated such as laced stuff.

Indeed prohibition is the killer. Holland has the best model, but it still does not fully look at the issue of supply, so sometimes the coffeeshops are supplied by criminal entities but probably some shops just grow it themselves in conspicuous places and the prices are far cheaper then in the US.

The Dutch people are allowed to grow 5 plants for personal consumption.

Belladonna, the Deadly Nightshade, is also natural. Unfortunately, it will kill you within fifteen seconds of injection into the bloodstream. Oh, and around here, we call that black mold "Budrot" it'll get you sick as fuck, and death is very possible. I haven't seen it on any of my weed ever, but I've heard stories.

[itchy]

One last post cuz of the silly 5 min edit times!

If cannabis is so harmless would you let your children smoke it?

In fact if its so harmless why not introduce them to it at an early age then there is less chance of them getting addicted to cigs!! :confused:

Not one person got my point hense me being a little pissed off !

[LIP]

It's a 1/4 oz a day. Lol. You really think it bothers me if you dont belive me?

I live on my own, i pay the bills, i buy my food and drink, i buy what i need, and what i want, and somehow on top of that i keep myself going with a few oz a week. I get it cheaper anyway because my dealer is the one growing it, and i also grow.

I earn a tidy wage, and have done since i started work.

I used to smoke recreationally, but these days also medicinally.

I broke 3 vertibrea in my back last year, didnt find out about it so went at life as usual, including heavy lifting.

One day my back just went, i couldnt move or anything... couldnt get comfortable... it was agony. The weed stopped it, or dulled it so it wasnt bothering me. All the pain killers did was make me tired and did nothing to relieve the pain. Next up is my knee, i have had this problem sicne i was a teenager, probably younger than that actually. My cousin Geoff has the same problem, i think. Well anyway, it's something to do with cariledge... i dont know the full ins and outs, i dont particually care. With out weed it gets stiff and extremely painful, to the point that i cant even drive safely.

And the third medicinal reason is my headaches. When i dont smoke i get them, sometimes as bad as migraines, sometimes just dull throbbing. IF i smoke a joint every few hours i dont get them.

So, really, a 1/4 oz a day is hardly anything, and at the mo i've been smoking about 10 g a day. That's still not as much as i'd like, BUT, if i start smoking them like cigs [i've only just quit] i wont be able to affford it for very long.

I've been smoking more years than i care to remember, and i dont plaster my age on this website for people to see.

It might be alot of weed to you my man, but it's only scratching the surface of what i would like. In my retirement years i plan to smoke everyday, all day, without any breaks... just a constant flow of readilly rolled joints. That's my PERFECT idea of retirement. Enjoyment. Out of a plant. That doesnt kill people. That doesnt cause cancer. That gets alot of bad things about it when in reality it's one of the most amazing things on this planet. Nothing else i know of has as many uses built into one plant, and is sustainable.

I love cannabis, more than any other thing in this luke warm lump of shit we call a world. This world is falling apart. Come to my world, theres no money, no guns, no war. Theres weed, and if you want some you can help yourself.

Dont start giving me crap about how bad weed is, i've done my research, and im satisfied that this plant is harmless.

Weed will NEVER be the cause of a single death. [Directly linked, not like if someone was driving stoned and crashed and died.]

[LIP]

One last post cuz of the silly 5 min edit times!

If cannabis is so harmless would you let your children smoke it?

In fact if its so harmless why not introduce them to it at an early age then there is less chance of them getting addicted to cigs!! :confused:

Not one person got my point hense me being a little pissed off !

YES. I would happily give my children weed to smoke. I'd rather they smoke a harmless plant and enjoy life than get drunk, have sex with a hobo, and possibly get raped.

Mind you, i wouldnt introduce them to it, i might sit them down when they were older and had a talk, or they'd mention it and i'd bring it up.

I'd put up with them smoking it at any age over 12, but really i wouldnt want them smoking OR drinking before 16.

Cannabis should be legal and be sold to persons 16 and over. I'd stretch to 18, but i think by the time we all reach 16 were mature enough to know what we want to try. I know i was.

[FreeVenice]

It looks like it has alot of crystals on it to. You should make sure it isn't that glass thats going around over there.

[itchy]

YES. I would happily give my children weed to smoke. I'd rather they smoke a harmless plant and enjoy life than get drunk, have sex with a hobo, and possibly get raped.

I cannot understand why on earth you would let your children smoke cannabis under the age of 16!!

Ok i understand you smoke it for pain relief I know there are many pain killing properties in cannabis. For headaches I would not agree as the amount you smoke might be the cause. But for muscular problems its spot on. Your tolerance must be though the roof cut back you will get more stoned i am window licking after 3 spliffs now, it used to take me 10 hours of heavy smoking to get me in that state! :smokin:

No it does not seem alot to me I am not going to go into detail for obvious reasons but i have seen, smoked and grown more than your average joe.! :stoned: When someone say they smoke 7-10grams a day i automaticaly think you must be trippin or lying as its hard and time consuming to smoke that much.

Its not harmless its impossible for it to be harmless thats my point its not as bad as tabacco and drink but its still not good for you. I do smoke it and i am not saying stop it now or you will die or you will need a new brain like the govenment would like us to believe its just like everything else its ok in moderation. I went though hell for 2 weeks coming off my 1oz a week habbit gut ache, headaches, nauser nightmares etc so if it does that to me after 15yrs of heavy smoking it cannot be harmless.

LIP take it easy man try not to smoke as much but check them headaches out as it sounds like your habbit is the cause when i stopped i had a headache for about 4 days dull throbbing had to take strong pain killers to stop it.

[Delta9 UK]

It looks like it has alot of crystals on it to. You should make sure it isn't that glass thats going around over there.

LOL

[LIP]

I cannot understand why on earth you would let your children smoke cannabis under the age of 16!!

Ok i understand you smoke it for pain relief I know there are many pain killing properties in cannabis. For headaches I would not agree as the amount you smoke might be the cause. But for muscular problems its spot on. Your tolerance must be though the roof cut back you will get more stoned i am window licking after 3 spliffs now, it used to take me 10 hours of heavy smoking to get me in that state! :smokin:

No it does not seem alot to me I am not going to go into detail for obvious reasons but i have seen, smoked and grown more than your average joe.! :stoned: When someone say they smoke 7-10grams a day i automaticaly think you must be trippin or lying as its hard and time consuming to smoke that much.

Its not harmless its impossible for it to be harmless thats my point its not as bad as tabacco and drink but its still not good for you. I do smoke it and i am not saying stop it now or you will die or you will need a new brain like the govenment would like us to believe its just like everything else its ok in moderation. I went though hell for 2 weeks coming off my 1oz a week habbit gut ache, headaches, nauser nightmares etc so if it does that to me after 15yrs of heavy smoking it cannot be harmless.

LIP take it easy man try not to smoke as much but check them headaches out as it sounds like your habbit is the cause when i stopped i had a headache for about 4 days dull throbbing had to take strong pain killers to stop it.

It's not your place to understand why i would allow my children to smoke it under the age of 16. If i say no, they'll do it anyway. Im not going to be one of these parents that say "No!" without a reason.

The headaches arnt from the smoking, i know that for a fact.

And i will never stop smoking, i'll smoke everyday untill i die.

Btw, i dont have a tolerance, 1 joint will get me as high as it did 4 years ago.

Maybe not for as long, but that doesnt matter, cos i just light another one up.

[Abattoir Dream]

It looks like it has alot of crystals on it to. You should make sure it isn't that glass thats going around over there.


lol it was that stuff...

dw i threw that away... i wldnt smoke that....

[FreeVenice]

lol it was that stuff...

dw i threw that away... i wldnt smoke that....

I read that forum. I hope it doesn't give any ass-holes ideas, or that it ever crosses the Atlantic.

[itchy]

Btw, i dont have a tolerance, 1 joint will get me as high as it did 4 years ago.
.

What sort of comment is that now i know for a fact you are a total air head! I dont have tolerance what sort of comment is that, of course you do eveyone builds up tolerance to cannabis and most other drugs EVERYONE on the planet thats a FACT! Oh i forgot you need to smoke 7grams a day to get by! Pfft no tolerance my arse! You are a space cadet m8 you need to get a grip and also thinking its ok for 12 yr old kids to smoke cannabis! Its people like you and your attitude that makes cannabis illegal!

PS Sorry for getting off topic but some people i dont know! :mad:

[LIP]

What sort of comment is that now i know for a fact you are a total air head! I dont have tolerance what sort of comment is that, of course you do eveyone builds up tolerance to cannabis and most other drugs EVERYONE on the planet thats a FACT! Oh i forgot you need to smoke 7grams a day to get by! Pfft no tolerance my arse! You are a space cadet m8 you need to get a grip and also thinking its ok for 12 yr old kids to smoke cannabis! Its people like you and your attitude that makes cannabis illegal!

PS Sorry for getting off topic but some people i dont know! :mad:

You are a complete idiot. You obviously have NO idea what your talking about.

1 joint will get me stoned. It wont keep me high for hours like they used to, if im stoned for an hour im doing well. So i just keep smoking.

You have no idea about anything do you. Dont reply to my posts, i dont really want to read your drivel. I mean, how much more crap can you possibly post.

I think your an idiot, living in a world where ONLY you are right.

People like you are the idiots who keep weed illegal, HOW can i be one? I cant, because i dont deal weed, i dont sell weed to little kids, i dont commit crimes.

I seriously doubt you smoke weed, simply because your being such a little moron over it.

JUST because you cant afford to smoke as much as i do, doesnt mean it's impossible.

Now listen to this, and read it. TRY for gods sake to understand.

I have been smoking 7 grams of cannabis for 4 years. I was smoking almost everyday before that since the age of 11.

Last year i broke my back.

I smoked more and more and for the last few months, maybe 4 months i've been smoking about 10 grams of cannabis a day. Since i quick the cigs i've probably been smoking more weed to make up for them.

Im not the only person on here to smoke large amounts, and im definatly not the only person on here who is happy to allow their children to smoke cannabis.

I'd rather have them smoke something that's harmless than go out and get drunk.

Cannabis doesnt cause cancer.
You cant OD on it.
It's never killed anyone.
Your not as stupid when stoned as when drunk.

Alcohol damages your liver.
Alcohol can poison you, resulting in death.
Alcohol has killed many thousands of people, if not more.
When your drunk, you have no idea whats going on.

Im not going to explain myself anymore, tbh, i dont see why i bothered typing that out.

So far from the shit you've posted i dont think you'll fit in, mainly because you seem to be against cannabis. If that's the case, just leave.

You are a new user, you have a handful of posts, you know no one, not me, not anyone. You havnt contributed to this site at all. All your doing from my point of view is trying to change the opinions of others, and we dont want people like you on this site. It's people like you keep cannabis illegal, and anyone who can read this will agree.

Again, dont bother posting you drivel, its not like anyones paying attention. I think they gave up with you after your first post.

But dont listen to me, stay on this site... carry on posting your annoying rants and false facts and opinion. You'll get banned soon enough if you carry on.


You also need to read what people post in responce to your shit, including me. I didnt say i agreeed with a 12 year old chld smoking it. I said if they were smoking it i wouldnt tell them not to. I would be happy if they were smoking it at 16, but i wouldnt tell them to stop t any age, because theres no reason to tell them too.

If you said that to your kids they'd tell you to fuck off, and they'd carry on smoking it. If you said "NO" you'd just be another bad parent who cant get any respect from they're children.


Good day.

[itchy]

I am not posting annoying rants just because i dont agree or believe in some of your statements. You said you dont have tolerance when it is obvious you do every one builds up a tolerance to cannabis its a know fact many studies have been done on tolerance to drugs.

And no it is not right for children to smoke cannabis my opinion and just because i dont agree with you does not make me an idiot. One of the reasons why cannabis is still illegal is the debate that children will start smoking it underage like they do with alcohol and tabacco hense my statement.

I agree cannabis should be legal and i agree the effects and dangers are far less than with alcohol and tabacco. But i dont agree with you stating cannabis is totaly harmless, it is to degree but think about it, you are burning plant matter and inhaling it into your lungs at high temperatures that smoke contains more than just THC or CBD which are the psychoactive substances we want to get high, what about all the other chemicals that come with it? This I would like to know myself without the biased opinions of the people who outlaw cannabis.

As for the statement its not my fault you cannot afford to smoke as much as i do, thats just childish as you dont know anything about me but lets put it this way I dont need to goto work. Its not impossible to smoke 7grams a day but you carnt be doing much else except posting on this forum with a joint hanging out your mouth 24/7. :stoned:

I am not claiming i am right i open to different opinions and discussions and i love a spliff just as much as anyone else.

Its good to have open heated debates espcially when you a passionate about something like cannabis and what we are talking about is exactly what would be discussed for the legalization of cannabis arguments against and for. I am for making it legal by the way! :jointsmile:

ON TOPIC If cannabis was legal then we wouldnt have the problem of moldy or doctored weed as it would go though quality control and you could take it back if you were not happy!

[Skidmark]

Now i know you talking shit 7 grams a day thats 49 grams a week or put it into context 1/4 kilo a month! thats say £200 a week habit you have there m8! Are you a rich or do you have a huge crop on the go? So you smoked 280 odd kilos in 4 years Hmmmm i just seen a pig fly past my window!

I know you have posted many comments and help on this website and you have a certain amount of respect but come on 1/4oz a day! You say you been smoking since you were 11 how old are you now?

If i smoked that much weed i would seriously consider getting help i used to smoke an OZ a week and i kicked the arse out of it and you need to be unemployed to smoke that much for a start, i remember reading you are a boat builder did you say ? No many boats been built then i guess :stoned:

This website/forum is full of air heads!!!!

LAST POST FROM ME THATS FOR SURE ! :confused:

I and evry1 i know can easily toke 7g a day. Whats so hard to believe? Ive smoked 3oz since christmas and im taking it easy. If u have money or u grow it theres no problem, hell i can smoke 7g in 2 joints!

[Skidmark]

One last post cuz of the silly 5 min edit times!

If cannabis is so harmless would you let your children smoke it?

In fact if its so harmless why not introduce them to it at an early age then there is less chance of them getting addicted to cigs!! :confused:

Not one person got my point hense me being a little pissed off !

My parents introduced me to cannabis at 13 on the condition that i never went drinking! I couldnt thank them more. It didnt help me stay away from cigs but i still dont drink!

[LIP]

I am not posting annoying rants just because i dont agree or believe in some of your statements. You said you dont have tolerance when it is obvious you do every one builds up a tolerance to cannabis its a know fact many studies have been done on tolerance to drugs.

And no it is not right for children to smoke cannabis my opinion and just because i dont agree with you does not make me an idiot. One of the reasons why cannabis is still illegal is the debate that children will start smoking it underage like they do with alcohol and tabacco hense my statement.

I agree cannabis should be legal and i agree the effects and dangers are far less than with alcohol and tabacco. But i dont agree with you stating cannabis is totaly harmless, it is to degree but think about it, you are burning plant matter and inhaling it into your lungs at high temperatures that smoke contains more than just THC or CBD which are the psychoactive substances we want to get high, what about all the other chemicals that come with it? This I would like to know myself without the biased opinions of the people who outlaw cannabis.

As for the statement its not my fault you cannot afford to smoke as much as i do, thats just childish as you dont know anything about me but lets put it this way I dont need to goto work. Its not impossible to smoke 7grams a day but you carnt be doing much else except posting on this forum with a joint hanging out your mouth 24/7. :stoned:

I am not claiming i am right i open to different opinions and discussions and i love a spliff just as much as anyone else.

Its good to have open heated debates espcially when you a passionate about something like cannabis and what we are talking about is exactly what would be discussed for the legalization of cannabis arguments against and for. I am for making it legal by the way! :jointsmile:

ON TOPIC If cannabis was legal then we wouldnt have the problem of moldy or doctored weed as it would go though quality control and you could take it back if you were not happy!

Better still if it were legal people would be growing it.

I agree that children shouldnt be smoking it, but if it were legal it'd be the same as with cigs, kids would smoke it, some would try it and some would carry on smoking it because they enjoy it.

I've been growing it since i started smoking it at the age of 11, and i've always smoked large amounts since i started. It has never done me any harm, and when im growing and have nothing to smoke i buy from a grower, not only making it chepaer for me, but i know whats in the bud. I've never even had a smokers cough from it.

You seem to enjoy talking about THC CBD but what about all the others such as CBN CBG and the other cannabinols.

Yes, it's plant matter. BUT, this plant matter has never killed anyone in it's history, you cant over dose on cannabis, yet you can with water, something we comsume every day.

It's never been proven to cause cancer. If you it makes no differnce on your chances of getting cancer, and it doesnt kill brain cells, and it doesnt really effect the lungs too badly, how can this be a bad thing?

Kids are kids, and they're going to want to experiment. It doesnt matter what age. It'd rather they smoked some weed that isnt going to cause any damage than go out and get drunk and possibly get alcohol poisoning, and i'd rather they smoke cannabis than cigs which we know have over 60 cancer causing chemicals. As for the carciogens [sp?] if you blow the hit out after a natrual breath [3 seconds] you can expell almost all of them, while abosrbing all the phycoactive compounds... THC CBD CBN.

~So that's why i'd rather have my kids smoking weed, although like i've said twise now i'd rather they try it when they're a bit older, around 16. BUT, uf they were to do it younger i would tell them the facts and alllow them to.

Cannabis should definatly be legal, theres too much properganda about it, were all about educating children these days so lets educate them with fact and not let them growing up beliving opinion to be fact. If they do they'll grow up to be ignorant little cunts.

[canuck grower]

And no it is not right for children to smoke cannabis my opinion and just because i dont agree with you does not make me an idiot. One of the reasons why cannabis is still illegal is the debate that children will start smoking it underage like they do with alcohol and tabacco hense my statement.

As opposed to what? Children will always use drugs* before they are of age, or ones that are flat out illegal. This is just a fact of life that we have to get used to. Seriously, the best thing we can do is educate kids because as we all know they will form their own opinions about whether something is okay or not. If they base those opinions on real facts and other people's experiences then we have done the best we can.

* You can classify alcohol, tobacco, cannabis, etc. however you like. I'll use the term "drug" for these substances.


It's never been proven to cause cancer. If you it makes no differnce on your chances of getting cancer, and it doesnt kill brain cells, and it doesnt really effect the lungs too badly, how can this be a bad thing?

...

Kids are kids, and they're going to want to experiment. It doesnt matter what age. It'd rather they smoked some weed that isnt going to cause any damage than go out and get drunk and possibly get alcohol poisoning, and i'd rather they smoke cannabis than cigs which we know have over 60 cancer causing chemicals. As for the carciogens [sp?] if you blow the hit out after a natrual breath [3 seconds] you can expell almost all of them, while abosrbing all the phycoactive compounds... THC CBD CBN.

You're the first person I've heard mention the 3-second thing, but you know more than me so I will take your word on that one right now. If it is true then I wish it was more commonly known. As a kid people often tell others to hold in the smoke longer. The main thing that does is probably just give one a little head rush from holding one's breath, but as a kid it's easy to believe it. If it does cause harm then it's too bad that many tokers think holding it in longer will allow you to use more of the psychoactive ingredients in the smoke.

Things like that are why proper education is the most important thing we can do about the cannabis "problem", which some people think we have. I'd say for dangerous drugs such as cocaine this type of education is even more important. Instead we have gov'ts putting sand on weed. As if that is really going to stop anyone from getting high. At least we all agree they need to get their heads out of their asses!

canuck :jointsmile:

[itchy]

if you blow the hit out after a natrual breath [3 seconds] you can expell almost all of them, while abosrbing all the phycoactive compounds... THC CBD CBN.

All of what? Them harmless substances!

I have never heard so much bullshit in my life and i am not going to post anymore as i can see your head is up your arse.

So if you hold it in for longer what happens then Oh i forgot its harmless!

You would have a valid argument if it wasnt for the dumb arse comments!

Moderator please cancel my account ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LIP]

All of what? Them harmless substances!

I have never heard so much bullshit in my life and i am not going to post anymore as i can see your head is up your arse.

So if you hold it in for longer what happens then Oh i forgot its harmless!

You would have a valid argument if it wasnt for the dumb arse comments!

Moderator please cancel my account ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good, im glad your going. Morons like yourself arnt welcome on this site.

How old are you? Because you come off as an extrmely arrogant child, spoilt, and thinking everything he says is gospel. You sir are an idiot, and THE ONLY bullshit is comming from yourself.

Have a nice life..

[Abattoir Dream]

All of what? Them harmless substances!

I have never heard so much bullshit in my life and i am not going to post anymore as i can see your head is up your arse.

So if you hold it in for longer what happens then Oh i forgot its harmless!

You would have a valid argument if it wasnt for the dumb arse comments!


whatacock....

[LIP]

Lets me thankful the moron has left. I cant belive people like him are stupid nough to actually come onto this site, which is full of real facts [and a small amount of fiction] and try and tell us were wrong.

When people cant admit they're wrong when provided with facts they dont deserve to live.

Ok, that's a bit harsh, but he pissed me off.

[canuck grower]

I don't know why it's so absurd to him that some things are absorbed by your body faster than others! Oh well...

[LIP]

Some people are beyond reason. Maybe he had a bad childhood. Or maybe he was spoilt so everytime he got something wrong they were too scared to correct him.

[Abattoir Dream]

hahaha - a bit of 'only child syndrome' maybe?

[sirsmokesalot]

Some people are beyond reason. Maybe he had a bad childhood. Or maybe he was spoilt so everytime he got something wrong they were too scared to correct him.

How can you possibly call someone childish when you call a person names and throw empty insults at them for calmly trying to argue their own opinions? He did not ask to be deleted from the forum becuase he couldnt accept that you were providing evidence suggesting what he was saying was wrong, he left becuase while he was trying to present his argument in a debatable fashion you turned around and went on a tirade merely spouting off your stubborn opinions and in no way considering what he actually had to say.

Alot of what you mentioned I completely agree with, but the responses you gave to his argument didnt actually reflect with what was being said and seemed to instead suggest that your prisde isnt allowing you to consider that maybe what you have come to beleive may be incorrect to some degree. I felt Itchys overall message was one that completely supported the use of cannabis while at the same time incorperating the message that like any other drug it should be used in moderation. Although I dont beleive cannabis to be physically harmful to the body, when someone smokes anything they are inhaling a burning substance, bottom line something which isnt good for you.

As Itchy said, it is good to openly debate about something we are all so passionate about, and I am a firm beleiver that open discussion is a vaulable learning tool. Although I am DEFINATELY not one to "flip-flop" my opinions, I always try to keep an open mind to what is being said and never include my feelings in a discussion as what good are they when they stand toe to toe with fact. I certainly never call someone names or make offhand comments about someone whom I have never met simply because they have an unwillingness to drop their opinions and instantly accept my own. I respect you LIP becuase I know your heart is in the right place and you have proven that for the most part you know what you are talking about and have valuable things to say, but this place is for sharing opinions, so try to respect other's especially if they respect yours.

Lets stop this nonsense and burn one down, I think everyone can agree that we all share a love of the herb. :jointsmile:

[LIP]

How can you possibly call someone childish when you call a person names and throw empty insults at them for calmly trying to argue their own opinions? He did not ask to be deleted from the forum becuase he couldnt accept that you were providing evidence suggesting what he was saying was wrong, he left becuase while he was trying to present his argument in a debatable fashion you turned around and went on a tirade merely spouting off your stubborn opinions and in no way considering what he actually had to say.

Alot of what you mentioned I completely agree with, but the responses you gave to his argument didnt actually reflect with what was being said and seemed to instead suggest that your prisde isnt allowing you to consider that maybe what you have come to beleive may be incorrect to some degree. I felt Itchys overall message was one that completely supported the use of cannabis while at the same time incorperating the message that like any other drug it should be used in moderation. Although I dont beleive cannabis to be physically harmful to the body, when someone smokes anything they are inhaling a burning substance, bottom line something which isnt good for you.

As Itchy said, it is good to openly debate about something we are all so passionate about, and I am a firm beleiver that open discussion is a vaulable learning tool. Although I am DEFINATELY not one to "flip-flop" my opinions, I always try to keep an open mind to what is being said and never include my feelings in a discussion as what good are they when they stand toe to toe with fact. I certainly never call someone names or make offhand comments about someone whom I have never met simply because they have an unwillingness to drop their opinions and instantly accept my own. I respect you LIP becuase I know your heart is in the right place and you have proven that for the most part you know what you are talking about and have valuable things to say, but this place is for sharing opinions, so try to respect other's especially if they respect yours.

Lets stop this nonsense and burn one down, I think everyone can agree that we all share a love of the herb. :jointsmile:

The thing is, he didnt respect my opinions. He was trying to get me to cut down smoking. I dont need to. He was trying to force me to belive his opinion, that's why i got so pissed off.

I didnt like him because alot of what he said was opinion and fiction.

But he's gone now, so it's over.

[itchy]

The thing is, he didnt respect my opinions. He was trying to get me to cut down smoking. I dont need to. He was trying to force me to belive his opinion, that's why i got so pissed off.

I didnt like him because alot of what he said was opinion and fiction.

But he's gone now, so it's over.

No I havent moderator too slow. :p

I need to make a few things clear. I will ignore the other posts as sticks and stones etc as i have a mature and open attiude. It is upto you and your followers on how you take it.

1. You said that you exhale after 3 seconds therefore are immune to any harmful substances that MAY be in cannabis smoke. This is not possible as we do not exhale 100% of what we inhale in one breath, it would take aprox 3-4 breaths before all of the smoke was exhaled and even then there would be residual particals of smoke left behind in your lungs 3 seconds would be up by then.

2. Yes you do smoke too much cannabis but it is not for me to stop you i just said cutting down was a good thing. This applys to anyone consuming large amounts of cannabis. Look at it this way if it was legalized and everyone started smoking 7grams+ a day then we would all be fucked and they would make it illegal again in no time.

3. You do have a tolerance to cannabis this is a fact not fiction and you cannot dispute it.

4. Children should not be introduced or allowed to smoke cannabis whatsoever under the age of 16 but in my opinion it should be 18 like alcohol.

I know you might be right 90% of the time but you are human after all and you cannot change the laws of physics and biology hence my outburst at the tolerance and 3 seconds statement as they are totally inaccurate and misleading.

If we want cannabis to be legal we need to be open minded about the pros and cons, as it will never be legalized if we have people like you at one end of the debate and people with the same opposite view and attiude at other end. There needs to be a mutual understanding and respect for others views opinions. I look at things from both sides yes it should be legal but I think it should be strictly controlled how this would be implemented is another debate altogether.

Free the weed Free your mind first!

[LIP]

No I havent moderator too slow. :p

I need to make a few things clear. I will ignore the other posts as sticks and stones etc as i have a mature and open attiude. It is upto you and your followers on how you take it.

1. You said that you exhale after 3 seconds therefore are immune to any harmful substances that MAY be in cannabis smoke. This is not possible as we do not exhale 100% of what we inhale in one breath, it would take aprox 3-4 breaths before all of the smoke was exhaled and even then there would be residual particals of smoke left behind in your lungs 3 seconds would be up by then.

2. Yes you do smoke too much cannabis but it is not for me to stop you i just said cutting down was a good thing. This applys to anyone consuming large amounts of cannabis. Look at it this way if it was legalized and everyone started smoking 7grams+ a day then we would all be fucked and they would make it illegal again in no time.

3. You do have a tolerance to cannabis this is a fact not fiction and you cannot dispute it.

4. Children should not be introduced or allowed to smoke cannabis whatsoever under the age of 16 but in my opinion it should be 18 like alcohol.

I know you might be right 90% of the time but you are human after all and you cannot change the laws of physics and biology hence my outburst at the tolerance and 3 seconds statement as they are totally inaccurate and misleading.

If we want cannabis to be legal we need to be open minded about the pros and cons, as it will never be legalized if we have people like you at one end of the debate and people with the same opposite view and attiude at other end. There needs to be a mutual understanding and respect for others views opinions. I look at things from both sides yes it should be legal but I think it should be strictly controlled how this would be implemented is another debate altogether.

Free the weed Free your mind first!


Are you still here? So you lied? Your not leaving? Oh great, that's my tuesday gone to shit.

If you exhale the hit after 3 seconds you expell almost all the "bad" things, but abosrb all the phycoactive chemicals. I will also point out that these "bad" things in the smoke have NOT been proven to cause any form of cancer. EVER. Cannabis has never given anyone cancer, nor has it EVER killed anyone. So why do you seem to think it will now? It wont, face it. In reality cannabis is extremely safe. EXTREMELY.

I do not smoke too much cannabis. This is what makes me think your a complete moron. What IS too much cannabis? If someone smokes it medicinally you cant say they smoke too much. I smoke it when i feel pain. Therefore i cannot be smoking too much, i smoke when i need it.
10 grams of cannabis a day is nothing compared to what i would like to be smoking. Theres alot of people on these boards thats moke large amounts and you've just insulted all of them.

As far as im concerned, i DO NOT have a tolerance. Not like some people. I've heard of people having to smoke an 1/8 just to get high... and sometimes more. I dont. 1 joint will get me as high now as it did 4 years ago, albeit not for so long, so in some ways yes, i do have a tolerance, but nothing like what other people have.

By the time children are 16 they can make their minds up, they are mature enough. Maybe you wasnt mature enough when you were 16, maybe your just a late developer. Teenagers will smoke and drink NO MATTER what. Having a legal age is a waste of time because it WILL NOT be abided by, but IF there HAD to be one i'd say 16, although it'd probably be 18.

Smoking large amounts would not make it illegal again, all it'd do is get people very stoned.

You say things and then do the opposit. You said you'd leave, so do one.

I dont want to hear the shit that your spouting off about, it's boring and alot of it is bull.

I dont think you really know the true facts about cannabis, either that or you dont want to accept them.

[Abattoir Dream]

1. You said that you exhale after 3 seconds therefore are immune to any harmful substances that MAY be in cannabis smoke. This is not possible as we do not exhale 100% of what we inhale in one breath, it would take aprox 3-4 breaths before all of the smoke was exhaled and even then there would be residual particals of smoke left behind in your lungs 3 seconds would be up by then.

hey man... shutup about that...

all he was tryin to say, is that he doesnt hold in smoke... therefore it is alot less damaging to his health.. stop trying to be a brainbox...

oh yeh... i smoke alot of weed too.. and theres nothin wrong with smokin 7grams a day.. its better than a crate of beers a day...

plus, i started smoking weed when i was like 11-12.. and im perfectly fine.. smoking at a younger age isnt half as bad as you seem to think it is... and like lip, i would much rather my child smoked weed than drunk alchohol...

you say you would not let your child smoke weed until they are 18... haha thats funny.. whether you let them or not, they are gonna drink, or smoke before they are 18... and theres fuck all anyone can do about it.. which is why i will tell my child not to drink, and to smoke weed instead...

if i was as worried about the effects cannabis has on my health as bad as you are.. i would quit... i mean.. you sound like FRANK...

[itchy]

Are you still here? So you lied? Your not leaving? Oh great, that's my tuesday gone to shit.

You shouldnt let things get to you like that, I cannot believe that your day is fucked by a so called moron, idiot, acock, only child syndrome, spoilt and dont deserve to live! person with different views and opinions!


If you exhale the hit after 3 seconds you expell almost all the "bad" things, but abosrb all the phycoactive chemicals. I will also point out that these "bad" things in the smoke have NOT been proven to cause any form of cancer. EVER. Cannabis has never given anyone cancer, nor has it EVER killed anyone. So why do you seem to think it will now? It wont, face it. In reality cannabis is extremely safe. EXTREMELY.

I never said it has killed anyone why do you keep saying that? There are dangerous chemicals in cannabis smoke it has been proven Its the amount and what harm they do in the long run that has not been proven.


I do not smoke too much cannabis. This is what makes me think your a complete moron. What IS too much cannabis? If someone smokes it medicinally you cant say they smoke too much. I smoke it when i feel pain. Therefore i cannot be smoking too much, i smoke when i need it.
10 grams of cannabis a day is nothing compared to what i would like to be smoking. Theres alot of people on these boards thats moke large amounts and you've just insulted all of them.

How much is too much then?


As far as im concerned, i DO NOT have a tolerance. Not like some people. I've heard of people having to smoke an 1/8 just to get high... and sometimes more. I dont. 1 joint will get me as high now as it did 4 years ago, albeit not for so long, so in some ways yes, i do have a tolerance, but nothing like what other people have.

You have contradicted yourself and anyway how would you know if you been smoking it for that long try stopping for a week then come back and tell me about tolerance.


By the time children are 16 they can make their minds up, they are mature enough. Maybe you wasnt mature enough when you were 16, maybe your just a late developer. Teenagers will smoke and drink NO MATTER what. Having a legal age is a waste of time because it WILL NOT be abided by, but IF there HAD to be one i'd say 16, although it'd probably be 18.

I know children will do it anyway behind there parents backs like everything else but it dont make it right or allow it to be promoted to the young.


Smoking large amounts would not make it illegal again, all it'd do is get people very stoned.

And fuck all would get done in life.


You say things and then do the opposit. You said you'd leave, so do one.

I am trying my hardest not to lower myself to your standards and i would of if the moderator had cancelled my account!


I dont want to hear the shit that your spouting off about, it's boring and alot of it is bull.

Its called a debate.


I dont think you really know the true facts about cannabis, either that or you dont want to accept them.

You dont even know me just because i questioned your opinions and statements you dont like it. I am not a sheep and i dont believe everything people tell me i question or educate myself on things i am not sure of, i think its called intelligence but you would know alot about that wouldnt you!

[itchy]

hey man... shutup about that...

all he was tryin to say, is that he doesnt hold in smoke... therefore it is alot less damaging to his health.. stop trying to be a brainbox...

oh yeh... i smoke alot of weed too.. and theres nothin wrong with smokin 7grams a day.. its better than a crate of beers a day...

plus, i started smoking weed when i was like 11-12.. and im perfectly fine.. smoking at a younger age isnt half as bad as you seem to think it is... and like lip, i would much rather my child smoked weed than drunk alchohol...

you say you would not let your child smoke weed until they are 18... haha thats funny.. whether you let them or not, they are gonna drink, or smoke before they are 18... and theres fuck all anyone can do about it.. which is why i will tell my child not to drink, and to smoke weed instead...

if i was as worried about the effects cannabis has on my health as bad as you are.. i would quit... i mean.. you sound like FRANK...

Two of you now some people cannot think alone DRONE! You sleeping with Lip or something!

[LIP]

You shouldnt let things get to you like that, I cannot believe that your day is fucked by a so called moron, idiot, acock, only child syndrome, spoilt and dont deserve to live! person with different views and opinions!

Reading what you post gives me a headache.

I never said it has killed anyone why do you keep saying that? There are dangerous chemicals in cannabis smoke it has been proven Its the amount and what harm they do in the long run that has not been proven.

Actually, when you concider cannabis is one of the most researched substances on the earth, it has been proven long term. On of the reports says "In a study of over 64000 people, heavy cannabis use over a LONG period of time does not increase the risk of any cancer."

How much is too much then?

That's what im trying to get you to see, there isnt too much.

You have contradicted yourself and anyway how would you know if you been smoking it for that long try stopping for a week then come back and tell me about tolerance.

I wouldnt stop for a week, because i wouldnt be able to walk, i would have a splitting headache and i wouldnt be able drive, rendering me useless for work.

I know children will do it anyway behind there parents backs like everything else but it dont make it right or allow it to be promoted to the young.

The point is, they'll do it. It doesnt matter if you FORBID them, they'll do it. The best thing we can do is educate them on it. Then it's their choice, knowing what it does.


And fuck all would get done in life.

That's not true though is it? No, its not. Not everyone would smoke it, and not everyone would smoke that much. I work long and hard, and i smoke all day while i work. It doesnt effect the work i do, how much work i do or when and how i do it. That statement is ignorant.

I am trying my hardest not to lower myself to your standards and i would of if the moderator had cancelled my account!

That's no excuce, your not wanted here. Just dont come back. Is it that hard? MOD's dont cancel accounts for anyone. Including people like you. Ask them to ban you.

Its called a debate.

No, your telling me i smoke too much. Your telling me theres harmful chemicals in the smoke. Your telling me i shouldnt allow my children to do it.

You dont even know me just because i questioned your opinions and statements you dont like it. I am not a sheep and i dont believe everything people tell me i question or educate myself on things i am not sure of, i think its called intelligence but you would know alot about that wouldnt you!

Your not a sheep? Yeah... Ok then!


Absolutly amazing.

[LIP]

Two of you now some people cannot think alone DRONE! You sleeping with Lip or something!

Thankyou for proving my point. With comments like that your a child. Either that or you are VERY immature. Because thats the kind of thing i expect to read from children, little kids who say silly things in the playground.

[itchy]

That study if you take it in properly measured joints consumed per year 365x joints per day of the 64000 people only 3% 1920 people smoking 60+ per year your smoking 60+ per week!! or 3120 joints per year Let them study that with 2000 people and then i might start to accept its totally harmless as you say! Cannabis is not the most researched substance on the earth! Another one of them untrue statments and i will tell you why, it is illegal and to do clinical studies on cannabis you need to obtain a licence from the home office. Only 22 licences had been issued in 1997 in the past 24 years!! Do some reasearch! Tabacco is more researched and its only in the past 15-20years they have woke people up to the dangers.

You wouldnt stop for a week because as you would not be able to walk and goto work etc If you are that incapcitated you should not be working!

Educate children i agree but not to tell them its ok to start smoking it as the only real way you can be sure its safe is not to smoke it at all. And in my life my children are my No1 prority and i would rather them not smoke it just in case we could be wrong. They were wrong about tabacco better safe than sorry i say.

Smoking alot of cannabis CAN make you lazy and lethargic everyone is different some people like yourself go about the day with no problems and others just sit on there arse all day.

Yes i know what i said about you sleeping with abattior was childish but you two dont seem to get my point of view! let me spell it out for you

I DO WANT CANNABIS LEGALIZED
I DO SMOKE IT MYSELF
I AM NOT 100% CERTAIN IT IS SAFE THEREFORE I DONT WANT MY CHILDREN SMOKING IT
TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS BAD FOR YOU

How hard can that be to understand!

[LIP]

Smoking cananbis realives my ailments, so that i can work. Im not going to go on the dole. I can work perfectly well, and will carry on.

Im not only talking about the UK when i talk about cannabis studies. It IS one of the most studied plants we have.

If they dont smoke weed, they'll drink. You want them drinking something that can kill them?

Or smoking something that wont kill them?

Weed doesnt make people lazy, people make themselves lazy. You cant blame laziness on weed.

Too much of anything is bad for you? Well, according to you i smoke too much, yet im fine.

I've been smoking since i was 11.

Im not lazy. I work hard all day. I'm not ill. I dont have cancer. I can run a few miles without getting out of breath. I dont cough. I dont vomit.

All cannabis does to me is get me stoned and alliviate my pain.

Something which synthetic drugs dont do.

When i smoke cannabis i dont get sideeffects, i know i cant overdose on it. I know it hasnt killed anyone. I know it's safe.

The thing is, you keep going about it might not be 100% safe, but if it wasnt why has no one ever died from it? Or got cancer from smoking it?

Im getting bored arguing with you or "debating" as you like to call it.

Give up. Im not bothered about what you have to say.



How hard can it be to understand cannabis has never killed a single person in it's entire history, it's never given anyone cancer, it's never been proven to cause schizophrenia.

Why do you think it'll start harming people know?

It wont, never has done, never will and that is why i concider cannabis safe.


It's not compareable to tobacco and alcohol. Those are two drugs we KNOW kill thousands upon thousands each year.

Cannabis kills none, and never has done.

So HOW can you come to the conclusion cannabis is bad.

Kids are going to do something, i'd rather they smoke a plant that wont kil them than drink a skinful of alcohol and get poisoning or smoke tobacco and get cancer, and alot of responcible parents agree.

[LIP]

Yes, they were wrong about tobacco, but that was then. This is now. They are not wrong with cannabis.

[Skidmark]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz blah.

Cannabis dosn't harm. Sooooooo vaporise/eat it

I SMOKE cannabis and i believe SMOKING anything will harm you. If it produces tar it IS harmful there is no doubt look inside your pipe. Tar on the lungs can cause many things not just cancer.

I believe that "too much" is the point where your body cant clean your lungs as fast as your smoking it. I definatly smoke too much then IN MY OPINION! Also too much could be considired lethal dose which is in LIP's sig.

So from what little research has been done on cannabis that i have read my conclusion is simple; Cannabis is Harmless Smoking anything can kill
your both right IMO

[LIP]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz blah.

Cannabis dosn't harm. Sooooooo vaporise/eat it

I SMOKE cannabis and i believe SMOKING anything will harm you. If it produces tar it IS harmful there is no doubt look inside your pipe. Tar on the lungs can cause many things not just cancer.

I believe that "too much" is the point where your body cant clean your lungs as fast as your smoking it. I definatly smoke too much then IN MY OPINION! Also too much could be considired lethal dose which is in LIP's sig.

So from what little research has been done on cannabis that i have read my conclusion is simple; Cannabis is Harmless Smoking anything can kill
your both right IMO

Me more so lol... that was a sarcastic joke... just incase anyone thought i meant it... or did i? Did i mean it? I dont know.

But this confused me a little; "Also too much could be considired lethal dose which is in LIP's sig."

I think you might have made a typing error. There is no lethal dose. It'd be a phyical impossibility, and if any tests were carried out they'd be void because the death would be from oxygen depravation.

THC is non toxic.

[sirsmokesalot]

I SMOKE cannabis and i believe SMOKING anything will harm you. If it produces tar it IS harmful there is no doubt look inside your pipe. Tar on the lungs can cause many things not just cancer.


I second that, I couldn't care less about when you lot want to let your kids somke but as Itchy and skidmark said, Inhaling any burning substance isn't good for you. Now im not saying its necessarily BAD, just not harmless.

LIP Whether or not you smoke too much every day is none of my buisness and I really dont care, however I personally wouldnt recommend the average person smoke 7+ grams a day because you couldnt argue against the fact that their are much more healthier ways to introduce the same amount of thc into your bloodstream.

And about cannabis studies, I personally dont believe that a large amount of extensive research has been done and would have to see more before I argued anything about the long term effects of smoking.

On another note, everyone has their own opinions so why continue to talk each other in circles? LIP has one thought and Itchy another, where does calling one another "childish" really get you besides further away from the message you are trying to send across?

Is this what Cannabis is all about? even if you do think its harmful neither of you can deny that in comparisson to other popular drugs and products like alcohol and tobacco, cannabis is the least harmful even when you dont incorperate all of the different harmless methods of ingestion. You both beleive and know it, so share the love of the herb.

Dont bicker, burn one down instead :smokin:

[mfqr]

they didnt do shit, I made it so no-one smoked that... remember in the first post it was my friends weed, well, i took it off of him, without him knowing (he wanted to smoke it:() and threw it in the bin, the government had no hand in it whatsoever...

its actually only three plants.. my friend lives there..


yeh, i do grow my own, but that shit doesnt last through the whole year, especially as im limited to a v. small growspace right now... so basically, canucks right, its not as easy as you think...



Amen.

The only real way to get this message out to the country, that weed needs to be decriminalized, would be to get a newspaper to cover it, (preferably the sun) and have a massive campaign for legalization, i think, if the sun newspaper was confronted with the facts about cannabis, and then the reality of whats goin on now, they would help us out, we've all been denied of our freedom to smoke a harmless plant for too long... and it needs to fuckin stop...

it seems the idea of legalization is becoming more realistic nowadays, i mean, the amount of stuff ive seen on tv recently about cannabis... pretty much everyone has a thumbs up opinion on legalization, its only the faggits that everyone hates anyway that want to keep it down...

soon there should be a thread, in which EVERYONE comes together to get the message out, and i dont just mean flyers and stickers, i mean lets go worldwide :) lol shit like news coverage... big things... i mean, all we need is for one paper to take interest in what we want to do, and then the more they back us, the more people find out the truth on cannabis... after all, i just want people to know what this amazing plant can do, and thinking about it, i bet there are dying people out their now, who would benifit from cannabis use...but cant as its illegal..

or even worse, there could be sick people using cannabis for medicinal purposes, ending up with moldy sand weed instead...that is not justice...

one day soon, shits gonna change...

The hard part about this is actually doing it. Actions speak louder than words--and that's what we need... action. So, how would we even start this? There needs to be a preliminary plan to start a small fire, which would then escalate into a bigger fire, if you know what I mean.

[mfqr]

I am not posting annoying rants just because i dont agree or believe in some of your statements. You said you dont have tolerance when it is obvious you do every one builds up a tolerance to cannabis its a know fact many studies have been done on tolerance to drugs.

And no it is not right for children to smoke cannabis my opinion and just because i dont agree with you does not make me an idiot. One of the reasons why cannabis is still illegal is the debate that children will start smoking it underage like they do with alcohol and tabacco hense my statement.

I agree cannabis should be legal and i agree the effects and dangers are far less than with alcohol and tabacco. But i dont agree with you stating cannabis is totaly harmless, it is to degree but think about it, you are burning plant matter and inhaling it into your lungs at high temperatures that smoke contains more than just THC or CBD which are the psychoactive substances we want to get high, what about all the other chemicals that come with it? This I would like to know myself without the biased opinions of the people who outlaw cannabis.

As for the statement its not my fault you cannot afford to smoke as much as i do, thats just childish as you dont know anything about me but lets put it this way I dont need to goto work. Its not impossible to smoke 7grams a day but you carnt be doing much else except posting on this forum with a joint hanging out your mouth 24/7. :stoned:

I am not claiming i am right i open to different opinions and discussions and i love a spliff just as much as anyone else.

Its good to have open heated debates espcially when you a passionate about something like cannabis and what we are talking about is exactly what would be discussed for the legalization of cannabis arguments against and for. I am for making it legal by the way! :jointsmile:

ON TOPIC If cannabis was legal then we wouldnt have the problem of moldy or doctored weed as it would go though quality control and you could take it back if you were not happy!

CBD, is in fact, not psychoactive. CBD more so regulates the effects of THC.

My apologies for the double post. My edit time expired.

[LIP]

CBD, is in fact, not psychoactive. CBD more so regulates the effects of THC.

My apologies for the double post. My edit time expired.

Indeed, they're are many cannabinoids and cannabinols, such as CBD, CBN CBG. Some of these ARE phycoactive, some arnt. Delta -9- tetrahydrocannabinol is, as we know, and 11-hydroxy-cannabinol is not phycoavtive. Some are not phycoactive, but work with the THC to change the high, be it cererbal or a body stone.

But like i said in prevous posts, this whole argument is boring. I'll NEVER agree with itchy, and he wont agree with me. It doesnt bother me. I dont know him, and thank fuck he doesnt know me.

I'll continue to smoke my "large" amounts of cannabis and stay 100% fine.

[bluntblaze]

7g's a day isnt a lot just because you think it is doesn't mean its true i smoke about the same and im fine :rastasmoke:

[Abattoir Dream]

yeh whatever itchy... just because i happen to agree with lip, and disagree with you... its MY OPINION after all..

whatever... im done with this thread...

[itchy]

Indeed, they're are many cannabinoids and cannabinols, such as CBD, CBN CBG. Some of these ARE phycoactive, some arnt. Delta -9- tetrahydrocannabinol is, as we know, and 11-hydroxy-cannabinol is not phycoavtive. Some are not phycoactive, but work with the THC to change the high, be it cererbal or a body stone.

But like i said in prevous posts, this whole argument is boring. I'll NEVER agree with itchy, and he wont agree with me. It doesnt bother me. I dont know him, and thank fuck he doesnt know me.

I'll continue to smoke my "large" amounts of cannabis and stay 100% fine.

I have looked at some of your posts in the past and fuck me i wish i had looked earlier as i would have never entered into a debate with someone so intellectually proficient as yourself silly me!

I really would like to get to know you and to be honest i could find out alex but hey lets not get personal! :p

[LIP]

I have looked at some of your posts in the past and fuck me i wish i had looked earlier as i would have never entered into a debate with someone so intellectually proficient as yourself silly me!

I really would like to get to know you and to be honest i could find out alex but hey lets not get personal! :p

A question for you. HOW do you know my name? That i would really like to know.

AND, if we stop this annoying little post war [concidering we're not insulting each other, as such] i would like to burry the hatchet an start over.

Mates?

[Skidmark]

A question for you. HOW do you know my name? That i would really like to know.

I think i saw u add your email to one of your previous posts {it was missing the symbols}. This might be the reason he found your name whether it be real or fake.

[LIP]

Oh well, it doesnt bother m, i was just curious. Yeah, it's my real name, Alex.

[Abattoir Dream]

lip, ur never on msn... sign in now if ur online...

[LIP]

Aiight, im going on now.

[Zoosh]

I wish they'd get crack and heroin off the streets rather than weed - then i'd have a regular income of weed.

[LIP]

I wish they'd get crack and heroin off the streets rather than weed - then i'd have a regular income of weed.

That's what they should be concentrating on. Crack and smack are the drugs that cause problems.

They've got their priorities completely wrong, and it just goes to prove our government cant run a country for shit.

[jackthelad]

Hello,

Just going back to the talk of fiberglass, eariler in the thread.

In my local rag (bournemouth echo) within the last week they had an article saying theres a batch that has glass (not glassfibre!) mixed in. They said it was the stuff used to make the white lines on the road reflective to headlamps. apparenlty it was being sprayed on, so it sticks to the leaves, thus adding to the weight and still looking like good weed.

Well I got home and what did I find, lots of crystal type bits, that didnt burn!! Damm!

What I did think was quite good though, at the bottom of the article, it said if you had any, go back and speak to your dealer rather than the usual go to the police rubbish. I think it showed some understanding, and a geniune desire to protect people, oposed to the 'all drugs are bad' attitute many publications like this so often take.
I will try and find a webcopy of the article and link it.

Anyhows, my guy has mysteriously vannished since!!!