Global warming

[Flesh420]

Hey the US government says that it doesnt exist but. I do belive that this winter has proved that it does exist. i live in OHIO and there has not been any snow at all and its the end of december??????? I have never seen no snow at all before until this year. Its fucking crazy man

[benagain]

I'ts not global warming. Global warming is just what the hippies are calling the global climate shift. We're way overdue for one. If anything, global warming is keeping shit tolerable for us just a little longer. Mother nature will catch up and climates everywhere will be wayy off but it's not global warming. Don't beleive Gore. Hairspray and SUV's are not killing hte planet and he did not invent the internet.

[dopeboy703]

man around va its like in the 50-60 when you go out u look around u see poeple in shorts!!! n sum in jeans but the coldest it ever got was in the mid 30s

[Skink]

I heard it on the news today,,,they are calling it a climate change now...

[benagain]

I heard it on the news today,,,they are calling it a climate change now...

Yup, I've been hearing it everywhere. I've also heard a number of conflicting study results so until the beach starts to freeze, then I'll just keep on keep'n on. For instance, on one hand you hear that the icecaps are melting, but I remember hearing something last summer about one of the caps actually being bigger than it was supposed to be. Same goes for the ozone, I hear it's getting thinner, but I've hard that in some studies it appears to be thicker.

Bottom line, short of an asteroid or gamma ray, or the sun burning out or similar, the earth will keep on turning. It got by fine lone before we came along, if we trash it up a bit, the earth will clean itself (iceage, or supervolcanoes or something wild) and get it's shit back together. To think that by just living here we can end or save the planet is just insane arrogance. :cool:

[suhl]

it does exist. this is just like with weed where the government doesnt change anything because they dont want to admit they were totally wrong. when they do finally admit it they wont admit to making any mistakes though, just like with iraq

[wayoftheleaf]

It has been happening since the last ice age, the world has been raising 2 degrees every century for thousands of years.

We are gonna hit the change and it won't be anything like the day after tommorrow, but similiar.

[Garden Knowm]

SEE AL GORES MOVIE.. it will explain it ALL...

it is an AMAZING MOVIE... actually, dont think of it as al gores movie.. think of it as just a MOVIE...

I have never met anyone who did not think the movie was AMAZING except for people who DID NOT LIKE AL GORE before they saw the movie... this is the kind of movie that changes peoples lives...

if you would like a copy, I can send you a copy.. FREE of course..

cheers

[Garden Knowm]

All of the evidence collected to date SHOWS that there has NEVER EVER been anythinglike this before.. NOT even close..

does that mean it has not happened before .. well NO..

but please dont misinform people and say this is part of a cycle.. there has never been a 10 year 1 degree shift in global temperature. and they have taken core samples that go back more than "5 cycles"

100 years ago there were 2 billion people on planet earth.. today there are 6 billion people... think for just a couple minutes baout this... ove rthe past 9,900 years.. the highest the human population ever GOT was 2 billion.. and now i the the last 100 years it has grown to 6 billion and 1 billion are driving SUVs.. LOL...

do not fight the people who are trying to help the earth.. if you don't believe it.. just stay out of their way...

lovelovelove

[Psycho4Bud]

It has been happening since the last ice age, the world has been raising 2 degrees every century for thousands of years.

We are gonna hit the change and it won't be anything like the day after tommorrow, but similiar.

VERY similar. I watched a special on that. They said that Great Britain would have the same climate as what Alaska feels right now......something due to the fresh water displaced in the ocean from the melting ice cap.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Garden Knowm]

Can you imagine people... asking if smoking is bad for you?

Well,

burning objects..any objects, and inhaling the fumes on a regular basis.. is bad for your LUNGS.. it is a NO brainer..... yet docters for years said smoking was OK...

LOL

just be honest with yourself.. it makes life more fun!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

Can you imagine people... asking if smoking is bad for you?

Well,

burning objects..any objects, and inhaling the fumes on a regular basis.. is bad for your LUNGS.. it is a NO brainer..... yet docters for years said smoking was OK...

LOL...remember the old ciggy commercials..........."Taste me, taste me"

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Wesley Pipes]

ok i know this is wrong but i'm actually kinda grateful for global warming, we've actually had some SUNSHINE here in scotland because of it LOL! :p

[Psycho4Bud]

More information on Global Warming. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNzWfguDjZU)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Blood Shot Eyes]

yeah i know this shit is crazy. i live in indiana and the weather is actually nice even though it is damn near january. shit has never been like this. it gets warmer each year here. befor you kno it indiana is going to have that warm climate. i dont have a problem with it tho hahaha.
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[wayoftheleaf]

garden knowm, have you ever read the book state of fear? Even if the book is fiction it presents some interesting ideas.

[LIP]

There's no such thing as far as im concerned.

Look at the last iceage. There were no cars, factories, and all the other things that "are bad for the planet" so how the fooking hell did the ice melt? Naturally? Well, it must have been.

That's my argument, to be honest it's not something i particualy care about, by the time the world goes tits up and the shit hits the fan i'll be dead, so i couldnt give a flying fuck.

I say we should do MORE to destroy our planet, it's going to shit now, i dont even wanna think what it'll be like in a few hundred years.

[Lethal D]

What people 4get is that the Ice Caps are already in the water and everybody knows when you put an Ice cube into water, it rises..When the Ice caps melt there will physically be less water in the Ocean. Its not the problem of the tides rising, its the freshwater -v- Saltwater that disrupts Ocean Rifts and changes climates..and thats been happening lately. Weve had a horrible summer in Ireland and a warm but miserable winter! Weve even had Mini tornadoes! Ppl say they dont care because they wont be around, but in the next 20/30 years theres gonna be major changes

[micko]

It seems to be warming up really quickly. The winter weather was consistently a lot colder/snowier in southern NY and nothern PA just 15 or 20 years ago- lots of snowmobiling and skiing. I have to admit I like the warmth too. I'd better sell that property near the ocean in Florida soon though. It's going to be like Atlantis there once the ice shelves start melting...

[Garden Knowm]

garden knowm, have you ever read the book state of fear? Even if the book is fiction it presents some interesting ideas.

NO i have not.. but I will give it a peak on google.. thank you....

[Skink]

I kinda like the warmer winters,,,beats having to move to florida for retirement...

[Garden Knowm]

I hope global warming is a total farse.. I hope there is no such thing.. I hope that we can continue to thrive as a people...

I am sure that those who are making efforts to exisist in harmony with the PLANET will succeed in furthering the evolotion of mans' existence, technology and ability thrive.

And if it is GLOBAL WARMING that is the catalyst and encourages this new growth, that is fantastic..

lovelovelvoe

[IntrepidS]

Global warming exists. There is no point in denying it, all you're doing by doing so is admitting a lack of willingness or knowledge of dealing with the issue. No matter which way you look at it, the world's population has never even been anywhere nearly as close to what it is right now. The farting from all those people and the animals that are used to feed them, coupled with the declining forests of the world, is probably enough by itself to cause problems. People who deny the effects of civilian and industrial emissions are either too intimidated by the size of the problem or simply have no grasp of it. Shifts in global climates have occured before, but none have caused the pollar ice caps to melt, none bringing about rises in water levels around the world that were nearly as drastic as the ones we are witnessing.

Get real, anyone who says global warming is not true and that it's just something made up by a buch of hippies.

[SwirlyMass]

holy crap i didn't know this many people don't even believe in global warming.

after watching an inconvenient truth i actually felt like god did exist. if you pay attention to how the earth is displayed in that video we are on a lifeboat in something far bigger and crazier than we know and we are poking holes in that life boat without a care in the world.

if the ice caps melt you think we can survive? wrong, what happens when the water rises 1 mile? anyone below 7280ft is gonna be a little damn and when the continents turn into marshes what is gonna happen? there is no such thing as building infrastructure on a giant muddy bog.

but why should you care, its only your children who are gonna die

fucking morons, somehow we've been lucky enough to have been given a fucking PARADISE, all those myths about heaven on earth are perfectly true, we're living in it! have you seen all the beautiful places in the world.
and they're gonna be gone FOREVER because of a bunch of faggots who 'don't care'
i hope a HUGE hurricane takes out half the USA without warning, and causes a world wide reform and all the morons still driving SUV's get guillotined


As al gore put it, we have become a force of nature, we have the ability and ARE changing the composition of the atmosphere (guess what; the atmosphere is where we live)

[wayoftheleaf]

Like I said, what is happening today has happened before.

The erratic changes in carbon deoxide happened right before the last ice age. We are just gonna go into another.

Shit happens.


Either way, it is the government keeping us in a state of fear.

When the populace is in a state of fear, it is much much more easy for the government to control.

[Garden Knowm]

the governement....

and who/what is the governement....?

DId you see an INconvienent Truth mr. leaf?

Was Al Gore sincere in that movie?

lovelovelove

[wayoftheleaf]

No I havn't, I didn't like Gore.

And I am a Tennessian lol.

[dutch.lover]

Global warming causes climate change. In other words, many people look around and are like "its been colder here than usual, global warming isn't occuring", but that is not true at all. Global warming causes climate change- so weird, abnormal weather- not necessarily hotter weather. The climate change we are experiencing IS the result of mankinds actions. The earth is going through a warming trend right now, but we are making it much worse- and it won't eventually end like all trends do, unless we fix our fuckups. Take a look around you and see all the shit we are pumping into our environment. If you don't think it is messing things up, you really need your head examined.

Harris7 will have lots to add on this topic I am sure, so let's see what he has to say.

[MastaChronic]

okay, i put this in the spirituality forum first, but nobody paid it any mind

lets assume that the bible is true for a minute. the bible has prophesized that hell will come to earth (fire, death, destruction yadda yadda yadda).
okay, there have been a number of different ecological ages on earth (i.e. ice age) and what with global warming, it might just be a natural ecological change in the environment.
what if the earths temperature keeps increasing? i mean, like heavily increasing, enough to burn everything... could this not be described as the hell on earth that the bible mentions? a fire age.
it would kill off humans, everything pretty much, but there are plants that spawn fire resistant seeds, in fact, some of these seeds actually need the fire in order to sprout and grow. it is these plants that we first see after a volcanic eruption(besides all the weeds that get blown in).
maybe the next species to dominate the planet after humans are killed will be plants.
the ice age may have killed off the dinosaurs and the fire age might kill off the humans.
these plants wouldnt be at all intelligent at first, but neither were mammals.
but in time they might actually gain consciousness and their intelligence would increase (maybe, who knows?)
i seemed to have a spark of inspiration, but i lost it.
everybodies thoughts on this?
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[LIP]

Global warming exists. There is no point in denying it, all you're doing by doing so is admitting a lack of willingness or knowledge of dealing with the issue. No matter which way you look at it, the world's population has never even been anywhere nearly as close to what it is right now. The farting from all those people and the animals that are used to feed them, coupled with the declining forests of the world, is probably enough by itself to cause problems. People who deny the effects of civilian and industrial emissions are either too intimidated by the size of the problem or simply have no grasp of it. Shifts in global climates have occured before, but none have caused the pollar ice caps to melt, none bringing about rises in water levels around the world that were nearly as drastic as the ones we are witnessing.

Get real, anyone who says global warming is not true and that it's just something made up by a buch of hippies.

That's not true. I can quite easily grasp it, and i understand it. I still dont belive it though. I dont care what happens to this planet, like i said, by the time the shit hits the fan im going to be dead.

[shoi]

i dont believe global warming in the way its cried abt... i mean patterns change, the earth goes thro its turns with or with out ppl.... any way like in the 70s scientists thought that there was global cooling heading for the next ice age... they just cant decide :/

[harris7]

This shouldn’t be considered a debate. I know quite a bit about it so I’ll lay it out for ya’ll because it’s very obvious that most people hve no clue what its about.
(hey I didn’t either till I started reading books)

The first and most important thing, Climate change and Global warming are different things!!!!
I’ll break it down.
Greenhouse gasses cause global warming, and global warming causes climate change.

CO2 is the most important greenhouse gas but there are others (methane, nitrous oxide, water vapor, CFC’s …)

Most molecules in the atmosphere (oxygen, nitrogen and argon make up 99.95) allow practically all light waves to pass through them. Greenhouse gasses are gasses that do no allow light to pass though well (at certain wave lengths). What they do is change the light energy to heat energy.

CO2 is so important because it has such a small concentration in the atmosphere but a huge effect. Did you know that lowering the CO2 to 165 parts per million would cause an ice age? This is because there wouldn’t be enough CO2 to keep the planet warm.

Right now CO2 is around 350 ish ppm. So what do you think would happen as it increases? The planet will warm--- global warming.
Global warming is occurring there is no debate. People have been finding evidence of global warming and suggesting it’s relation to fossil fuels for over 50 years!

Climate change is much more complicated. There is some debate around climate change.
We all must realize that science is never 100% sure and thus there not 100% sure about climate change. But, does this uncertainty change our actions in other situations? No!

When you go to the hospital the doctor tells you that you might die from an injury unless he operates. Well should he operate? How many people would wait until you die (the only time your sure) to decide? No one.

The same goes for countless other situations. When the bad outcome is sever (death, climate change) and we are not 100% sure we still act and we should act.

The only resistance to climate change isn’t from scientists it is from partisan groups like oil companies. They run ads in the USA misleading the public. This is the only reason there is doubt in some people.

If you truly doubt that global warming or climate change is occurring I suggest you read more about it. I have read enough to know that this is an extremely complicated subject which I will never understand fully. To understand the convoluted nature of the subject and to be able to actually conclude something would take enormous effort. No one here has made the effort yet people here have come up with contrary answers to the scientists. Why?

[harris7]

That's not true. I can quite easily grasp it, and i understand it. I still dont belive it though. I dont care what happens to this planet, like i said, by the time the shit hits the fan im going to be dead.

No offence LIP but you do not understand it. You only think you do.

I donâ??t understand it but as I said I know how complex it is. The only people who have enough knowledge of the subject to make these conclusions are the people who have dedicated their lives to it. Have you? Then why the fuck do you think you know better than them?

[Platinum Plus]

is garden knowm serious about sending me a free copy of Al Gore's flick?
if so, hit me up ;), but yes i believe Al' Gore's fatass about this Global Warming
this year in montreal we had a green christmas that never happened before
for all the 16 fuckin years i've been alive in this place that never happened lol
Gore is onto something and hopefully people don't listen to the government
cause they lie about anything and everything just like they used to lol...

[dutch.lover]

yeah just take a glimpse back to the freaky weather we had here in the lower mainland (BC) in November. We had record breaking rain, hurricane force winds, snow storms, and cold sunny weather. Normally we just have a bit of rain. None of that other shit. Global warming causes freaky weather- just cause it's not warm and balmy here doesn't convince me that it's not occuring. The fucked up weather does.

And LIP, maybe you will be dead when the earth and environment goes to hell, but if you ever have kids I think you would be hoping that they have a nice future- one without torrential storms and fatal weather systems.

[wayoftheleaf]

Like I said

GLOBAL WARMING HAS BEEN HAPPENING SINCE THE LAST ICE AGE.

Before that ice age, global warming happened, and erratic spike in CO2 then bam ice age.

Same exact thing happening today, we are just helping it go faster.

We are gonna get into another ice age soon.

BIG FUCKING WHOOP

I like the cold.

[dutch.lover]

you are completely backwards!!!!!!! an erratic spike in CO2 causes WARMING of the planet, NOT COOLING!!!!! We are not heading towards an ice age at all.

You are taking an overly simplified approach to this issue. CO2 isn't the only thing responsible for climate change, there are many other aspects to it. I suggest you read more about it and get your concepts straight.

[wayoftheleaf]

sigh, the co2 warms the planet and causes the world to go into an erratic cooling process.

Like I said, it is similiar to the day after tommorrow, but at the same time not even close. The movie was based on scientific fact.

[slipknotpsycho]

i don't see why so many people are worried about it, it's happened before, and it WILL happen again (ice ages, world destruction, ect..) i think it's george carlin who says something along the lines of "we're a threat to the planet? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!! we're just like a surface irritation to the earth, the earth was here long before we were and it'll be here long after we're gone, it'll shake us off like a pest and begin a new.."

these events are already set in motion, speed them up, slow them down, doesn't matter it WILL happen... so i really don't understand why everyone is so worried about it, it's completely out of our control... but i guess that's human nature, to try and control the things we can't, and explain the things we can't....

[dutch.lover]

hmm that's interesting because everything i have read has said the other way around- the earth gets cold (ie ice age) and THEN a warming trend happens.

i guess what the real point is, is that global warming is occuring regardless, and whether it causes an ice age or not- it's going to fuck up our planet. agreed?

[slipknotpsycho]

hmm that's interesting because everything i have read has said the other way around- the earth gets cold (ie ice age) and THEN a warming trend happens.

i guess what the real point is, is that global warming is occuring regardless, and whether it causes an ice age or not- it's going to fuck up our planet. agreed?

no not agreed... lol it's gonna fuck US up, and the ANIMALS up, the earth will renew itsself like it's done already...

[dutch.lover]

haha good point. the earth is pretty fucking amazing- if only us humans had a better head on our shoulders. for being so "intelligent", it's pretty sad we are allowing ourselves to self-destruct.

[harris7]

Like I said, what is happening today has happened before.

The erratic changes in carbon deoxide happened right before the last ice age. We are just gonna go into another.

Shit happens.
Either way, it is the government keeping us in a state of fear.
When the populace is in a state of fear, it is much much more easy for the government to control.

You are kind of right.

The earth has cycles. The most powerful cycle it has is the Milankovich cycle, it lasts 23 000 years long. Historically this cycle has had the largest impact on climate.

But guess what, the scientists know about this cycle and it shouldnâ??t be changing the climate right now. And our climate is changing 30 times faster than what could be caused by this cycle. Or any other cycle for that matter.

And I do agree that governments (mainly US) keep the population in fear to control them. Funny how the US gov is pretending global warming isnâ??t happening. So how are they using it? By your logic they should be promoting global warming.

You know, like how their promoting â??terrorismâ?�

[slipknotpsycho]

haha good point. the earth is pretty fucking amazing- if only us humans had a better head on our shoulders. for being so "intelligent", it's pretty sad we are allowing ourselves to self-destruct.

technically we do, it's just the fact that we don't use the entire thing...

[harris7]

sigh, the co2 warms the planet and causes the world to go into an erratic cooling process.

Like I said, it is similiar to the day after tommorrow, but at the same time not even close. The movie was based on scientific fact.

Which ice age are you talking about. Each one has different causes. and each one has hundreds of causes.

do you have any idea of the positive and negitive feedback loops which control the temp of the planet? Do you know about the positive feedback loope we're about to close by warming the planet 6 degrees.

[Skink]

Global Warming,,,the definition of what humans did...

[ganjah]

All of the evidence collected to date SHOWS that there has NEVER EVER been anythinglike this before.. NOT even close..

does that mean it has not happened before .. well NO..

but please dont misinform people and say this is part of a cycle.. there has never been a 10 year 1 degree shift in global temperature. and they have taken core samples that go back more than "5 cycles"

100 years ago there were 2 billion people on planet earth.. today there are 6 billion people... think for just a couple minutes baout this... ove rthe past 9,900 years.. the highest the human population ever GOT was 2 billion.. and now i the the last 100 years it has grown to 6 billion and 1 billion are driving SUVs.. LOL...

do not fight the people who are trying to help the earth.. if you don't believe it.. just stay out of their way...

lovelovelove


This is just like how people watched the "Loose Change" video or any other conspiracy video and then instantly believing its true just because they watched an hour long movie that seemed real. I'm not saying global warming does or doesn't exist because I honestly don't know. Wasn't there a global cooling scare just like the new global warming scare in either the 60's or the 70's.

[Abattoir Dream]

the world is warming up just like before... call it global warming if you want... after all.. thats what it is...

[Garden Knowm]

This is just like how people watched the "Loose Change" video or any other conspiracy video and then instantly believing its true just because they watched an hour long movie that seemed real. I'm not saying global warming does or doesn't exist because I honestly don't know. Wasn't there a global cooling scare just like the new global warming scare in either the 60's or the 70's.

what are you saying?

bro... a global warming scare in the 1960's is the same global warming "SCARE" we are having now... the time scale of global warming is not in days or hours or even life times.. and it is NOT a SCARE.... "scare" is analysis which hinders the truth from being SEEN

iloveyou BRO

[Garden Knowm]

is garden knowm serious about sending me a free copy of Al Gore's flick?
if so, hit me up ;), but yes i believe Al' Gore's fatass about this Global Warming
t..

My dear sir,

Please send your mailing address to [email protected]

and I will send you a copy of the movie..

iloveyou

[LIP]

No offence LIP but you do not understand it. You only think you do.

I donâ??t understand it but as I said I know how complex it is. The only people who have enough knowledge of the subject to make these conclusions are the people who have dedicated their lives to it. Have you? Then why the fuck do you think you know better than them?

I never said i know better than anyone. Dont make accusations based on thin air.

Please, NEVER say i dont understand something, you have no idea what i know and do not know.

I understand it perfectly, but i still dont belive it, or care about it.

Dont EVER say that to me again.

[harris7]

That's not true. I can quite easily grasp it, and i understand it. I still dont belive it though. I dont care what happens to this planet, like i said, by the time the shit hits the fan im going to be dead.

LIP Iâ??m sorry if I offended you, that was not my intension.

You said explicitly that you understand it and donâ??t believe in it. And you are correct I donâ??t know what you know, but I can see what you donâ??t. I know a considerable amount about climate change and I can easily see the extent of your understanding of the issue by your posts.

For example:


There's no such thing as far as im concerned.
Look at the last iceage. There were no cars, factories, and all the other things that "are bad for the planet" so how the fooking hell did the ice melt? Naturally? Well, it must have been.
.

I am not trying to insult you but do you have any ideas about:
-the earths cycles?
-What caused the 4 major ice ages?
-Do you know how CO2 effects temperature?
-The rate at which the planet is warming? And how that rate is changing

you might know the answers or might not, it really doesnâ??t matter. The plain truth is that climate science could possibly be the most complex study known to man. To judge your understanding all I need to do is look at your conclusions and arguments.

[benagain]

"We all must realize that science is never 100% sure"

So yea, there's just as goos a chance that ice cream caused global warming. Here's how scientists get their conclusions...

They find some random peice of evidence. They don't know what the truth is so they start to makeup stories that fits. They try these stories out and see if it makes any sense. If it does, then it's science. If it doesn't they throw it away and move on. The 'truth' as we know it is just a story we've made up with the facts at hand. Change or add a fact and the story is changed. Give it a hundred years and we'll see where the story is at. Example case: The earth is flat...With all of the knowledge at hand, this made sense. Find out that you can go around in a circle to get places and the story has been changed.

Don't be so arragont that you beleive what you think is the truth. It's only your understanding of the truth.

[friendowl]

we are fucked
there is no hope
we will destroy and suck the life out of poor mother earth
money talks bullshit about the enviorment walks

so sad i do my part but its nowhere near enough
i bet one day fresh water will be more valuable than any gold or diamond

[Dayglow]

+2degrees is all it takes.

[benagain]

meh, freshwater can be made out of saltwater. Happens all the time. I say bring it on. I also do my bit to be a bit cleaner (recycle and conserve energy), but bottom line is that there's nothing else I can really do about it. I'm not gonna stop you from driving a carboard box to work, but don't give me lip if I drive an suv. Beleive what you want, but don't try and belittle me for not doing as much.

[harris7]

"We all must realize that science is never 100% sure"

So yea, there's just as goos a chance that ice cream caused global warming. Here's how scientists get their conclusions...

They find some random peice of evidence. They don't know what the truth is so they start to makeup stories that fits. They try these stories out and see if it makes any sense. If it does, then it's science. If it doesn't they throw it away and move on. The 'truth' as we know it is just a story we've made up with the facts at hand.
Don't be so arragont that you beleive what you think is the truth. It's only your understanding of the truth.

I hope you arenâ??t calling me arrogant. You are correct, but you are also wrong. Science can find truths. Such as global warming, we have observed it happen. It is not speculation it is an observation. But I agree about things based on theories. Climate change, I agree, isnâ??t 100% sure. But it doesnâ??t matter. Rarely in human existence has not being 100% sure changed out action

If a doctor comes up to you and tells you your heart will fail within a month and you will die unless they operate. He isnâ??t 100% sure. The only way he could be 100% sure is if we waited for you to die, but then it is to late. The same goes for climate change, were very sure its happening and were causing it, but by the time we are 100% sure it will be because it has progressed so far we cannot stop it.

Its called the precautionary principle

[benagain]

So you beleive that global warming is the truth and whole. I'm down with that. You act as though anyone beleiving anything else is insane or ignorant. That I have a problem with.
If you actually feel this way to your fellow man and can't have even the slightest open mind to someone elses opinions, then my freind you are an ass.

Until you can at least attempt to see things form another point of veiw or allow people to see if from theirs, then we will never get along.

Good luck with your long boring journey through life. I'm sorry to say I won't be walking down your road.

[slipknotpsycho]

I hope you arenâ??t calling me arrogant. You are correct, but you are also wrong. Science can find truths. Such as global warming, we have observed it happen. It is not speculation it is an observation. But I agree about things based on theories. Climate change, I agree, isnâ??t 100% sure. But it doesnâ??t matter. Rarely in human existence has not being 100% sure changed out action

If a doctor comes up to you and tells you your heart will fail within a month and you will die unless they operate. He isnâ??t 100% sure. The only way he could be 100% sure is if we waited for you to die, but then it is to late. The same goes for climate change, were very sure its happening and were causing it, but by the time we are 100% sure it will be because it has progressed so far we cannot stop it.

Its called the precautionary principle

we can't stop it anyways... i'm not saying we don't need to do our part to keep the planet moving as it was.... but you radicals, that think we have more more than about 2% control over WHEN it happens (notice i said when, not IF) are really 'barking up the wrong tree' just like if human life existed about the time the sun finally stops burning (research it, it will happen, the only question is when) you think half the world wouldn't try to find a way to keep it going, or otherwise find a way to preserve their own life?

you radicals just need to chill (no pun intended) because, it doesn't matter what we do, eventually it will happen... recycling some plastics/paper, or stop using CFC's in spray cans, or cutting off our gasoline powered cars, is not going to save the planet... as i said in the very begining, the planet will be fine, no matter what we throw at it... there's only one thing that will actually 'harm' the planet, and that's a huge ass asteriod/comet, which, scientists have been watching the path of a particular one (although there are thousands, if not millions out there that pose a threat to 'us') and it will hit us eventually... i don't remember if they have a calculation or not, but it's there, and it follows an orbit, and eventually earth's orbit, and this asteroid/comit will line up...

point of all this is (and the point you, and everyone who thinks we can actually make any thing other than a miniscule impact on it all) we can't change what's going to happen... you're making an extremely feeble attempt at stopping something, when there's absolutely no chance you can... is it that hard for the 'masses' to just realize some day, all life as we know it, will end?

edit: i don't nessicarily believe in what we know as 'global warming' all i believe in is global catastrophe, just as it has proved it's self real in the past, it will again... just had to get that out... i don't put names on 'the end', i don't feel it's simple enough to have a name... but that's my own opinion, maybe thousands of years from now, may be tommorow.. but life as we know it, will cease to exist...

[Skink]

Al Gore for Prez...

[harris7]

So you beleive that global warming is the truth and whole. I'm down with that. You act as though anyone beleiving anything else is insane or ignorant. That I have a problem with.
If you actually feel this way to your fellow man and can't have even the slightest open mind to someone elses opinions, then my freind you are an ass.

Until you can at least attempt to see things form another point of veiw or allow people to see if from theirs, then we will never get along.

Good luck with your long boring journey through life. I'm sorry to say I won't be walking down your road.

Since the industrial revolution we have observed global warming. I dont think youâ??re denying what has been observed... so what is someone who says that didnâ??t happen? Well what do you call someone who either doesnâ??t believe a fact or is too lazy to find it?
insane or ignorant... maybe.


I understand the inherent uncertainty in science. But, I believe that this uncertainty is capitalized by people trying to push pseudoscience because people donâ??t understand this uncertainty and its effects on scientific conclusions

To be completely honest I donâ??t believe there is opinion on this subject. You keep saying I donâ??t attempt to understand others opinions, right? It is because they arenâ??t stating opinions, they are making statements about the nature of reality! Were is the room for opinion? Only one thing is occurring; how can their be opinions on what is happening?

[harris7]

we can't stop it anyways... i'm not saying we don't need to do our part to keep the planet moving as it was.... but you radicals, that think we have more more than about 2% control over WHEN it happens (notice i said when, not IF) are really 'barking up the wrong tree' just like if human life existed about the time the sun finally stops burning (research it, it will happen, the only question is when) you think half the world wouldn't try to find a way to keep it going, or otherwise find a way to preserve their own life?
...

Well all I can say is that I hope your wrong. And, I also accept that the world as we know it will “end” one day and that doesn’t bother me. I also don’t consider myself a “radical” maybe compared to your community though, but not were I’m from.

There is no consensus if we have reached the point of no return with global warming. Most authors I’ve read have said no, but their worried. I believe that humans can release just over 200 giga tones of CO2 b4 the point is reached. But that is only one persons estimates. Anyways I really don’t want to debate anything to do with climate change.

Are you from the states? If so, it’s kinda funny that you’ve given up hope for the planet when the US gov. doesn’t recognize global warming is occurring.

[coledog855]

I'ts not global warming. Global warming is just what the hippies are calling the global climate shift. We're way overdue for one. If anything, global warming is keeping shit tolerable for us just a little longer. Mother nature will catch up and climates everywhere will be wayy off but it's not global warming. Don't beleive Gore. Hairspray and SUV's are not killing hte planet and he did not invent the internet.

Co2 emitting machines are killing our oceans, and eventually the plant. I'm a scholar of marine biology, and it's just amazing how much damage we are doing to our planet. Humans will kill the planet and themselves within the next few centuries if we don't change our ways.

[slipknotpsycho]

Well all I can say is that I hope your wrong. And, I also accept that the world as we know it will â??endâ?� one day and that doesnâ??t bother me. I also donâ??t consider myself a â??radicalâ?� maybe compared to your community though, but not were Iâ??m from.

There is no consensus if we have reached the point of no return with global warming. Most authors Iâ??ve read have said no, but their worried. I believe that humans can release just over 200 giga tones of CO2 b4 the point is reached. But that is only one persons estimates. Anyways I really donâ??t want to debate anything to do with climate change.

Are you from the states? If so, itâ??s kinda funny that youâ??ve given up hope for the planet when the US gov. doesnâ??t recognize global warming is occurring.

lol something you need to learn, first and foremost.. is almost none of the american people agree with their government (yes i'm from the states) and personally, i don't even pay attention to political affairs anymore.. it's mostly all lies and bullshit anyways.. i was just born here, i wouldn't exactly call myself 'american' and yeah, i hope i'm wrong too... i have a 2 year old son that still has far more years then i do.. and probably when he grows up, he'll have a son that is far to out live him.... but what worries me, is that i know what i'm talking about, and am right.... and so what about authors? personally i think of anyone or anything like i do the government (atleast authors, tv stations and the like that stand to gain MONEY by selling themselves) they say what the people 'want' to hear to gain more money.. i base what i feel, off of many accounts, and many theories, not just one... if the majority of whatever i'm using as 'refrence' feel some way, more than usual, it's true.. also, i live in america, so of course anyone who goes against what they think is 'radical' but honestly, i only say you're a 'radical' because you think you can stop what the world is already (and has been, and always has been, since it works in cycles) or even slow down, is doing...

i personally (not saying everyone else feels this way) it's just better to not get yourself all worked up, stressed out or freaking out, becasue what is going to happen, IS GOING to happen no matter what we do.... just sit back and let fate take it's course... cuz there is literally nothing we can do to stop it... though i'm sure, if we really tried... we might find an alternative... maybe somehow... (or maybe it's just the movies talking) but it'd end up being alot worse and coming alot faster, then what we had instore before... i say just sit back and enjoy the ride... cuz any attempt is futile and waste of energy and precious time, time you could have spent doing something else.... and i garuntee if 'it' came in our life time, you'd be sitting there wondering why, and feeling sorry for yourself, for not spending more time doing what you SHOULD have spending time with...

[slipknotpsycho]

Co2 emitting machines are killing our oceans, and eventually the plant. I'm a scholar of marine biology, and it's just amazing how much damage we are doing to our planet. Humans will kill the planet and themselves within the next few centuries if we don't change our ways.

even if we do quit, we will eventually... haven't hundreds of years of 'science' taught you that, yet? what will happen, WILL happen... we don't change that, nor can we... this planet will eventually kill us, just like it has everything before it, and a new group of species will emerge...

[benagain]

Anything anyone says anywhere is an opinion. How can you not see that. You're basing all of your knowledge on hearsay of others. Other peoples research, books, findings etc...If your source is wrong, then your wrong. I don't have a problem with people concerned with global warming, but I have a problem with people like you. To be honest there's a fair chance that it could be happening, but I never beleive anything to an absolute. Especially when it concerns managing something that has been around millions of years before people started to shit sitting down. But despite how I feel on the subject and other people feel. You find it your place to come here and not only state your opinion (which is fine by me), but you then start to try and 'convince' people to feel the same way. All you have to do is state your opinion and answer any questions about it. There's no need to act like you discovered global warming and it's your sole duty to be sure every beleives the same way.
A perfect example of how to act in this thread would be garden knowm. I thought he made his feelings about it very clear and even offered to send more info about it.
You act like an ass and try to convince me that your right and I'm wrong (I'm assuming that's what you're doing when you type on your babel). You may think you're well versed on the subject and I won't deny that you prolly know more about current events that I do, but you'll never convince anyone of anything other than you have the personality of a turd.
This is a board with members of a website dedicate to weed. People get high and like to write on what they think about stuff. i know that as for myself, I like to type in what I think, read other posts and laugh and then move on. If someone posts something I don't agree with I may ask some questions or otherwise try to get a better understanding, but never state that I'm right and they're wrong. For someone with such a closely shut mind, I'm amazed you ever discovered weed. Must have been handed to you as a child.

Ok rants over, I'm done arguing about it. If I didn't have a decent buzz and was a little bored, I wouldn't have wrote so much. I really try my best to get along with everyone, but sometimes I get aggravated at the arrogant.

[slipknotpsycho]

Anything anyone says anywhere is an opinion. How can you not see that. You're basing all of your knowledge on hearsay of others. Other peoples research, books, findings etc...If your source is wrong, then your wrong. I don't have a problem with people concerned with global warming, but I have a problem with people like you. To be honest there's a fair chance that it could be happening, but I never beleive anything to an absolute. Especially when it concerns managing something that has been around millions of years before people started to shit sitting down. But despite how I feel on the subject and other people feel. You find it your place to come here and not only state your opinion (which is fine by me), but you then start to try and 'convince' people to feel the same way. All you have to do is state your opinion and answer any questions about it. There's no need to act like you discovered global warming and it's your sole duty to be sure every beleives the same way.
A perfect example of how to act in this thread would be garden knowm. I thought he made his feelings about it very clear and even offered to send more info about it.
You act like an ass and try to convince me that your right and I'm wrong (I'm assuming that's what you're doing when you type on your babel). You may think you're well versed on the subject and I won't deny that you prolly know more about current events that I do, but you'll never convince anyone of anything other than you have the personality of a turd.
This is a board with members of a website dedicate to weed. People get high and like to write on what they think about stuff. i know that as for myself, I like to type in what I think, read other posts and laugh and then move on. If someone posts something I don't agree with I may ask some questions or otherwise try to get a better understanding, but never state that I'm right and they're wrong. For someone with such a closely shut mind, I'm amazed you ever discovered weed. Must have been handed to you as a child.

Ok rants over, I'm done arguing about it. If I didn't have a decent buzz and was a little bored, I wouldn't have wrote so much. I really try my best to get along with everyone, but sometimes I get aggravated at the arrogant.

lol all i can say is lol. i haven't bothered to read what you and whoever (please tell me it wasn't me lol.... i'm really not even sure) were going against each other with... just breathe dude! breathe! and yes i agree, when you start trying to force your beliefs on someone it becomes a problem, and with something like this, (of this magnitude) it makes you a fanatical nut... but c'mon.. it's a weed-releated website...... no reason to let people get you all huffy-puffy (ok i've done my part to try and calm the situation, continue :D no really, no really lol as one of the 'elders' i feel it's my responibility to step in and try to calm the situation...)

[benagain]

Yea I'm dun with it myself, but you know how you just get all rilled up and your fingers just take off. My own fault for getting lost in my own ramblings. For some reason I don't even tend to think when I'm typing shit out on here (as my spelling and grammer can prove) so I just type any random though that comes into my head.

And harris7 don't take it personal (if possible), I ususally don't argue on the net and I'm not very good at it at all. I'll gladly concede and admit fault on this one.

[harris7]

lol something you need to learn, first and foremost.. is almost none of the american people agree with their government (yes i'm from the states) and personally, i don't even pay attention to political affairs anymore.. it's mostly all lies and bullshit anyways.. i was just born here, i wouldn't exactly call myself 'american' and yeah, i hope i'm wrong too...




People really donâ??t understand me on here.

I wasnâ??t insulting you or anything. And I know a lot about America and itâ??s political situation. I literally just think its funny how your position is the polar opposite of our countries.

I do trust some authors. Authors whoâ??s books are endorsed by people I respect, people who have nothing to gain from the endorsement. And everything to loose.
As well Iâ??m going into 3rd year biology, so I understand almost everything these authors talk about, so I can often find out the liars. If you donâ??t trust books, how do you inform yourself?

[slipknotpsycho]

like i said, i listen to what majority (and i' not talking about a 45% 55% split here.... ) have to offer on the subject, and if applicable, history... history tells us, this has happened, and it's a never ending cycle, that will happen again...

[Bob the Awesome]

Harris, I am interested in your facts and I plan on looking them up later.

I have no opinion on global warming yet as I have not looked over the evidence.

Let me say this though: if the Earth is warming up faster than it is supposed to, to where it will kill everything, we need to stop it. Sound good? OK great, I'm glad we're in agreement.

With that being said, everyone stop the stupid political bickering, this is a question of science, and if you don't have scientific fact or studies or research or things to back up your claims, you're most likely blowing it out your ass.

So please, let's not devolve into a shouting match, just find your evidence and explain why it supports your point of view. And point out the inconsistencies in others logic. But don't do this crap where you all bicker at each other over motives or calling each other 'radicals' or crap, that doesn't get anyone anywhere and makes everybody angry.

[coledog855]

even if we do quit, we will eventually... haven't hundreds of years of 'science' taught you that, yet? what will happen, WILL happen... we don't change that, nor can we... this planet will eventually kill us, just like it has everything before it, and a new group of species will emerge...

Of course we're going to be killed off anyways, but why should we speed that up by thousands of years if we don't have to?

[dutch.lover]

Bob- you make awesome points! Finally someone acknowledges that global warming isn't an issue that you can argue validly on, based on opinions. There is EVIDENCE surrounding this issue, so how come there are so many people speculating about shit and offering their opinions? Do the fricken research people!- knowledge is power anyways...it couldn't hurt.

[slipknotpsycho]

Harris, I am interested in your facts and I plan on looking them up later.

I have no opinion on global warming yet as I have not looked over the evidence.

Let me say this though: if the Earth is warming up faster than it is supposed to, to where it will kill everything, we need to stop it. Sound good? OK great, I'm glad we're in agreement.

With that being said, everyone stop the stupid political bickering, this is a question of science, and if you don't have scientific fact or studies or research or things to back up your claims, you're most likely blowing it out your ass.

So please, let's not devolve into a shouting match, just find your evidence and explain why it supports your point of view. And point out the inconsistencies in others logic. But don't do this crap where you all bicker at each other over motives or calling each other 'radicals' or crap, that doesn't get anyone anywhere and makes everybody angry.

i'm the only one that used the word radical.... so this is obviously 'agasint me' i have evidence to back up what i say... what about all the times it's happened before.. like i said.. i'm not even saying it will happen in our life times, it could happen thousands of years from now... i'm just saying it will happen..

no matter what anyone tells me we won't speed it up or slow it down... it will happen when it's supposed to happen...

[harris7]

Harris, I am interested in your facts and I plan on looking them up later.

I have no opinion on global warming yet as I have not looked over the evidence.

Let me say this though: if the Earth is warming up faster than it is supposed to, to where it will kill everything, we need to stop it. Sound good? OK great, I'm glad we're in agreement.

With that being said, everyone stop the stupid political bickering, this is a question of science, and if you don't have scientific fact or studies or research or things to back up your claims, you're most likely blowing it out your ass.

So please, let's not devolve into a shouting match, just find your evidence and explain why it supports your point of view. And point out the inconsistencies in others logic. But don't do this crap where you all bicker at each other over motives or calling each other 'radicals' or crap, that doesn't get anyone anywhere and makes everybody angry.
I think I love you,

slip, The changes we are witnessing are not part of a cycle. Thats why everyone is so excited. AS well the earth is heating up 30 times faster than any time in the past.

[slipknotpsycho]

Of course we're going to be killed off anyways, but why should we speed that up by thousands of years if we don't have to?

had to quote this particular part for what i'm about to say...

how many generations of people have felt that their generation was the last, how many groups have said we're at our end... people have always predicted the end is around the corner.. just like now, that we're barely learning anything scientificly and being able to 'predict the future' (in retrospect 50 or so years of being able to predict the future weather, as accurately as it may or may not be, still shows my point, we know nothing!) it's all of the sudden, the end of our world coming up.... you can believe what you want, just as i will believe what i want... us humans, no matter how industrialized, and how many cars we have... are not going to harm the earth.......... and for those that are 'god fearing' do you think if 'he' didn't want us to, we would? basicly i'm trying to offer more sound-mind to those who are religious... for the rest.. look at the facts...

[slipknotpsycho]

I think I love you,

slip, The changes we are witnessing are not part of a cycle. Thats why everyone is so excited. AS well the earth is heating up 30 times faster than any time in the past.

does that mean it's not supposed to happen? does that mean really anything? no.. like i've said so many times before in this post... do you think we, people can have any real effect on the earth? we are microscopic in comparison... and even other then that... we are only 'preserving' us.. not the earth.. no matter what we throw at it, the earth will be here long after we are... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG afterwards, 100's of thousands, if not millions and billions of years..

i just wish all of 'you' would get truthful about it and stop telling us to 'save the earth' we're not saving the earth, we're saving ourselves...

[slipknotpsycho]

You must be really stupid if you think the billions of humans on this Earth do not effect it at all.

Look at germs that cause us illness. They are microscopic in comparison, but some can kill us. Why do you think it's any different for Earth?

We may not ever be able to "destroy" the Earth, but humans could easily destroy the balance that allows us to live here.

i knew someone was going to say that.. but that's something diffrent... although i guess that sounds about like making excuses... but it's the truth.... my main point of my post is we can't do anything to the earth, we can only disrupt/destroy the habbitat we live in (which happens to be earth) we can't make the earth 'sick', or kill it... all we can do is throw off the cycle that supports OUR life, and that was my point...

[Skink]

Watch out for the giant land squids...

[coledog855]

how many generations of people have felt that their generation was the last,

Not that many, outside of religious and cult groups that gain attention, I think most generations knew that the human race will go on after they die.




just like now, that we're barely learning anything scientificly and being able to 'predict the future' (in retrospect 50 or so years of being able to predict the future weather, as accurately as it may or may not be, still shows my point, we know nothing!)

Correct, we cannot predict weather patterns on any sort of short time frame. What we do know is that the earth goes through various stages of weather patterns, and we are not likely, based on climatic history, entering a natural climatic cycle.



it's all of the sudden, the end of our world coming up.... you can believe what you want, just as i will believe what i want... us humans, no matter how industrialized, and how many cars we have... are not going to harm the earth..........

We already have harmed the earth. Please, do a little reasearch on oceanography, or just coral bleaching for that matter.

[slipknotpsycho]

yeah, but it doesn't hurt the earth it only hurts us (and i didn't think i need to say it, but iguess i do...) every other living thing... look all i'm saying, is quit acting like you want to 'save the earth' when you're only saving yourself... stop lying to the people.. and be honest about it.. you're scared to die, and you're scared for life as you know it to stop existing.... atleast fucking admit it, fear is a human (and animal, show me one animal that doesn't show fear in one way or another) emotion....

i also don't see the point in arguing over this technicallity... but if you want to continue, go ahead, i'm drunk and will be for the next couple of hours and have no problem arguing stupid points/technicalities when i'm drunk...

[MastaChronic]

this is just my opinion. but.......i dont really give two shits either way because im not going to be around to suffer, and neither are any of my children simply because im not going to have any.(vasectomy)
this doesnt mean that i litter and dont recycle and all that whatnot, not because i care about the planet, but because dping community service has taught me not to.
i HATE picking up trash, and im sure other people feel the same way. if we all didnt litter then there would be almost no community service to do.

[coledog855]

yeah, but it doesn't hurt the earth it only hurts us (and i didn't think i need to say it, but iguess i do...) every other living thing... look all i'm saying, is quit acting like you want to 'save the earth' when you're only saving yourself... stop lying to the people.. and be honest about it.. you're scared to die, and you're scared for life as you know it to stop existing.... atleast fucking admit it, fear is a human (and animal, show me one animal that doesn't show fear in one way or another) emotion....

i also don't see the point in arguing over this technicallity... but if you want to continue, go ahead, i'm drunk and will be for the next couple of hours and have no problem arguing stupid points/technicalities when i'm drunk...

Who are you talking to? Quoting people makes the debate much easier.


As for the fear of death, that has NO factor at all in just about everyone who acknowledges global warming.



Let me ask you this real quick: If global warming exists, what is the final outcome of it? 1. Everyone overheats and we will kill off things that way. 2. Ice age.

[slipknotpsycho]

Sounds you feel guilty about feeling that way, and now you're bashing others who do. It's natural to want preserve ones own life is it not? Preserving the Earth is a very good long term way to preserve our own.

dude, i feeel guilty about what exactly? lol.. and who am i bashing? i'm just offering my opinion on it all..

and yes i know quoting people on exactly who i'm responding to makes it easier, but at times, i'm not exactly replying to any one person, even if in the post i start to reply to someone's post... i'm just offering my opinion, i probably should have quoted certain people (since people are having so much trouble following what i'm saying, instead of just hearing my opinion in the matter) but i'm kinda drunk, and don't feel like going back and quoting people on it.. probably won't feel like going back and doing it in the morning either (even if we had an unlimitable edit feature)

billion, btw, how did you construe i feel 'guilty' there's a few things i feel guilty about in this life.. but it's nothing i've said here, trust me :p.

oh also, i'm not 'bashing' anyone who differs in opinion of me, sorry if you feel that way, i honestly am, that's not my intention... everyone is entitled to their opinion, EVERYONE..

[coledog855]

dude, i feeel guilty about what exactly? lol.. and who am i bashing? i'm just offering my opinion on it all..

and yes i know quoting people on exactly who i'm responding to makes it easier, but at times, i'm not exactly replying to any one person, even if in the post i start to reply to someone's post... i'm just offering my opinion, i probably should have quoted certain people (since people are having so much trouble following what i'm saying, instead of just hearing my opinion in the matter) but i'm kinda drunk, and don't feel like going back and quoting people on it.. probably won't feel like going back and doing it in the morning either (even if we had an unlimitable edit feature)

billion, btw, how did you construe i feel 'guilty' there's a few things i feel guilty about in this life.. but it's nothing i've said here, trust me :p.

oh also, i'm not 'bashing' anyone who differs in opinion of me, sorry if you feel that way, i honestly am, that's not my intention... everyone is entitled to their opinion, EVERYONE..

Come on man, answer my question without doing any research. I wanna know how much you know about global warming during this debate.

[slipknotpsycho]

Come on man, answer my question without doing any research. I wanna know how much you know about global warming during this debate.

oh, i don't actually know the answer i guess. but like i said... i don't believe in whatever they wanna call it... i'll admit i'm not he most educated, i believe what history teaches us (history repeats itself afterall).. the planet has frozen over before (more than one time, not sure how many, i don't have that great of memory, i just remember it was more than once) so eventually, that will be our (or should i say the planets actually) fate eventually.... i dont' know if all living life forms will burn and perish in the time before that.... knowledge is power... but being more 'educated' on a certain subject, doesn't make you anymore right in that subject...

[slipknotpsycho]

I'm sure mankind can find a way to survive an iceage.

lol i'd actually like to see that.

[BlueCat]

POWERFUL evidence for global warming has been discovered by scientists funded by the US Government, demolishing the chief argument of sceptics who deny that the phenomenon is real.
A new analysis of satellite data has revealed that temperatures in a critical part of the atmosphere are rising much faster than previously thought, strengthening the scientific consensus that the world is warming at an unnatural rate.

http://www.mng.org.uk/green_house/threat/threat6.htm

even OUR government has admitted it now....the only reason they didn't before is because it wasn't profitable.

IT IS TRUE.

[peacetrain]

All I know is, things are definitely changing around here...and if the climate WAS to continue changing at the rate it currently is, it could cause irreparable damage for ourselves and more drastically the generations immeadiately following us. The critic/optimist in me wants to think the earth is strong enough to handle anything we throw at it...but we weren't exactly thinking about any environmental repercussions when we discovered our favorite new fuel.

If there's anything we can do to fix this, it's worth it to try. And there is a healthy ammount of evidence we CAN fix it. The alternative is being responsible assisting in the extinction of a multitude of species on earth, possibly even our own...which isn't nice to do after the years of evolution it took to get here.

[benagain]

Life will find a way. It allways has. Even when all of the oceans where dried up to saltbeds, life dug down into the ground and sat there until it was safe again. When the oceans filled up again and shit got back to normal, life sprang back. I can respect anyones opinion, but I'm with slipknotpsycho on this one. I think the earth will outlive us by long strides that is of course unless a bigass meteor hits us or the sun burns out or a gamma ray hits us and cooks us to toast. I honestly don't think there's anything we can do to stop the wheels that are in motion. We may die, but the earth will live on. Just remember it's surived a lot worse than some hot weather. The planet was barren at one time you know...

[Bob the Awesome]

OK, I apologize if anyone felt my post was against anyone, it wasn't, I just spotted the radical comment and used it as my example. Seems both sides are making some if not a lot of mistakes here.

(I have not read all the posts in full, why I'm not getting in the discussion here)

HOWEVER, I notice that people are in agreement that the climate changes, and is changing now. Whether or not it's supposed to be doing what it's doing is the point of contention, from what it looks like.

So I'd like to offer a suggestion of direction for everyone. Go look up how, in terms of earth cycles and such, the climate SHOULD be changing right now, based on historical evidence. Second, see if the climate has ever changed as rapidly as it is said to be changing right now.

I do not know these answers and I can't look them up right now (Class started again today and I've got to work the next 5 days) but if anyone wants to put a crippling blow into the others argument, a look into those two things might help.

And since I haven't read most of the posts, if this has already been addressed/resolved, ignore my babbling.

[benagain]

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol

[chris420]

Mother is going to fix it all soon

[Bob the Awesome]

I might not be a geological scientist but I'm pretty sure they can predict the overall change in climate throughout history fairly accurately, actually. If you feel they can't, I'd go get an accredited source saying so and not just mentioning how you don't trust scientists.

Also, if the climate is changing in an unnatural way, another point of contention is, what exactly is causing it? I can be convinced fairly quickly that humans are affecting things somehow but exactly WHAT is doing it and by how much is completely unknown to me and probably most everyone.

[benagain]

Yea, I know they can take soil samples and whotnot and get a pretty good idea of what probably happened a million years ago and Im sure there's some pretty valid points to me made for ruining the environment. Like I said, I enjoy the outdoors its sometimes easy to see where mankind has dirtied everything up. sometimes what seems bad can actually be a good thing (like sinking ships offshore) but most of the time it's just harmfull. I we should do our part to do as little damage as possible, but as long as we live on the planet, we dirty it up.
Unless we want to run around naked and eating whatever falls in our lap, then well allways put a strain on the environment. Any creature without a predator will. I just happen to beleive, not stating a fact, but only an opinion that whatever we do, we will be exterminated at some point and the earth will live on. Call it a religious beleif if you want, but it is what it is. I completly support and stand behind anyone who wants to make the world a cleaner place. Don't let me or or anyone else change your mind otherwise, but don't be surprised if I don't join you in the fight.

[Kyrandian]

To deny global warming is to claim not to see your hand in front of your face.

LIP i'm very disappointed in you. I thought you were smarter than that. How do you argue with unanimous scientific consensus with a straight face and maintain your "insult my intellect at your own risk" persona? If you were american, i could see it, but a brit global warming denier? for shame. You are aware england is an island, yes? And you're also aware islands are at the biggest risk, yes?

Wouldnt it be wise to err on the side of caution when we're talking about breathable air and drinkable water? I live in america land of the global warming deniers, and have no doubt in my mind there is climate change occuring. Bears arent hibernating in spain and russia, swiss and french and italian ski resorts are having to close because THERE'S NO SNOW, and the top of maccu piccu covered with snow for 20,000 years is as bare as can be.

If you challenge the existence of global warming, i challenge the existence of your brain.

[benagain]

But there isn't a hand in anyones face. Just a bunch of facts when put togther with a story make sense. Not necessarily the wrong story, but a 'best-guess' story that's probably right. That doedn't mean it's the only story, just the only one that makes sense to us at the moment.

[Kyrandian]

Fact: CO2 gets trapped in our atmosphere, and prevents the sun's rays from exiting our atmosphere.

Fact: CO2 levels have never been anywhere near as high as they are at this moment.


Where's the guessing part?

[five0addict]

lets rays in but not out eh? never since when? strange "facts"

global temperature flux is NORMAL, but if we dont do something to prevent ozone degeneration we WILL be in serious trouble.

[420izzle]

Global warming is real folks! Just as some of us rely on science for our selfish gain as humans, we must believe the science that supports this potentially devestating reality for our mother earth. And since we haven't properly positioned ourselves in space like Stephen Hawking suggests, generations will suffer and wither dead with no where to go and it will happen sooner than later with all the ignorance. As suggested by Garden Knowm and others, see or buy the book of Inconvenient Truth. Do your research and quit spreading bullshit.

[benagain]

See you mentioned death of man kind. A bit different than the death of the planet. Don't let us 'ignorant' folks get to you. I know I'm the worst example of not keeping your cool. I even stooped to name calling and such (which I do feel bad about, please accept my apologies for acting like a 5 yr old), but some of us beleive what we want. Science has been wrong and lied before. Don't blame us if we don't beleive everything we are told. Its just human nature, and the nature of humans are to kill ourselves out (or at least I beleive so).

[BlueCat]

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol

I am sorry but there is evidence it is NO LONGER speculative ideas or theories if anyone tells you differently they are simply ignorant to the lastest facts. There was a huge push to make it "appear" that global warming is not true. It was the work of the oil and coal corporations in order to buy some extra time. They knew it was coming that is why they doctored the test results not only that exxon put out false reports just so they could reap in more profits...

The UK Guardian reported (http://environment.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329580967-121568,00.html) on September 20 that a letter from the Royal Society (http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/), Britainâ??s national academy of science, has called on ExxonMobil Corp. to stop funding dozens of organizations that have â??misrepresented the science of climate change by outright denial of the evidenceâ?�. Exxon has been distributing millions of dollars to what Climate Science Watch terms the global warming denial machine....
http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/details/royal-society-exxon-letter/

http://www.reportalert.info/ra/Exxon.htm

Expert: Bush Hides Global Warming Evidence

October 27, 2004, By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) -- The Bush administration is trying to stifle scientific evidence of the dangers of global warming in an effort to keep the public uninformed, a NASA scientist said Tuesday night
http://atkeison.org/home/news/news_20041027_NYT_Expert_BushHidesGlobalWarmingEvi dence.html

There is no doubt it is happening PLEASE PLEASE believe it....
They can take ice core samples that go back thousands of years. Ice captures the gases that were in the atmosphere back then. You can actually see just how fast the world is warming. When they look at the natural climate change before humans were on the earth there is a pattern but once the insudtrial age of humans kicked in the CO2 in the ice increases to a HUGE amount and each year is worse.

The best way to SEE what is happening is to look at the glaciers...

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/chinareport.html

Then theres the poor polar bears :(

It may be the latest evidence of global warming: Polar bears are drowning.
Scientists for the first time have documented multiple deaths of polar bears off Alaska, where they likely drowned after swimming long distances in the ocean amid the melting of the Arctic ice shelf. The bears spend most of their time hunting and raising their young on ice floes.
In a quarter-century of aerial surveys of the Alaskan coastline before 2004, researchers from the U.S. Minerals Management Service said they typically spotted a lone polar bear swimming in the ocean far from ice about once every two years. Polar-bear drownings were so rare that they have never been documented in the surveys.
But in September 2004, when the polar ice cap had retreated a record 160 miles north of the northern coast of Alaska, researchers counted 10 polar bears swimming as far as 60 miles offshore. Polar bears can swim long distances but have evolved to mainly swim between sheets of ice, scientists say.
The researchers returned to the vicinity a few days after a fierce storm and found four dead bears floating in the water. "Extrapolation of survey data suggests that on the order of 40 bears may have been swimming and that many of those probably drowned as a result of rough seas caused by high winds," the researchers say in a report set to be released today.
While the government researchers won't speculate on why a climate change is taking place in the Arctic, environmentalists unconnected to the survey say U.S. policies emphasizing oil and gas development are exacerbating global warming, which is accelerating the melting of the ice. "For anyone who has wondered how global warming and reduced sea ice will affect polar bears, the answer is simple -- they die," said Richard Steiner, a marine-biology professor at the University of Alaska.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB113452435089621905-vnekw47PQGtDyf3iv5XEN71_o5I_20061214.html

[harris7]

The only problem with "fact" is that no one was around when the earth took a crap last time. There is no hard eveidence. Just some left over residue and theories from different people as to what it means. Hell, even though most people can agree on it, no one is 100% sure on what killed the dinos. You see my problem? If there was a guy with tools and a notepad with pen 10 million years ago and he's been writing shit down, then I might have a little more faith in the numbers. I still think what everyone does to hep the environment is great (I'm an outdoors guy myself), but I'm not gonna be 'scared' into making a huge life change over some speculative ideas and theories.

If everyone else on the planet went insane, would that make me crazy?
lol


What your saying is that observation is the only source of fact. Do you really agree with this?

Blue cat, you are correct. There was a study done analyzing the relevant studies to climate change. They looked at hundreds of research papers (a very large sample size) and none of the ones analyzed disagreed with climate change, they all supported it occurring.

[harris7]

Yea, I know they can take soil samples and whotnot and get a pretty good idea of what probably happened a million years ago .

Actually they drill ice cores from the artic. This ice is formed by compacting snow. Because itâ??s formed in this way small bubbles of air are trapped. These samples of air are samples of the atmosphere. They are not guesses or pretty close, they are exact!

As well they can take samples of the dissolved Oxygen in the water. And measure the ratioâ??s of the different isotopes. Isotopes are atoms with the same number of protons but different numbers of neutrons. The ratio of the oxygen isotopes can be used to very accurately estimate the salinity of the ocean and itâ??s temperature. Since the temperature, salinity and oxygen isotopes have a causal relationship there is a very small margin of error.

[harris7]

lets rays in but not out eh? never since when? strange "facts"

global temperature flux is NORMAL, but if we dont do something to prevent ozone degeneration we WILL be in serious trouble.

When Co2 is hit by a light ray, the light energy turns into heat.

So light enters the atmosphere hits some co2 on the way in, bounces off the earth and hits some on the way out. The more CO2 in the atmosphere the more photons will hit them, and the more heat energy will be kept here.
It isnâ??t trapping the light in, it is trapping the energy.

Some CO2 is needed to keep the temp up. But were increasing the CO2 and the temp is increasing. It's cause and effect.

[Kyrandian]

this clip from futurama actually sums it up quite well;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgE_mkR2oac

[Bob the Awesome]

See you mentioned death of man kind. A bit different than the death of the planet. Don't let us 'ignorant' folks get to you. I know I'm the worst example of not keeping your cool. I even stooped to name calling and such (which I do feel bad about, please accept my apologies for acting like a 5 yr old), but some of us beleive what we want. Science has been wrong and lied before. Don't blame us if we don't beleive everything we are told. Its just human nature, and the nature of humans are to kill ourselves out (or at least I beleive so).

Let me repeat that what we are discussing here isn't opinions. It's facts. I hate to sound like such an ass, but that's just how it is. Go grab a study, or an online article, and make a claim from it and put one over on all the unsubstantiated claims.

Thank you, BlueCat, for providing some links and other research in your post. *goes to read*

[BlueCat]

Sure Bob :) The sad thing is the nay sayers won't even bother to read!

come on back after you've read and let me know what you think!

[Skink]

I just killed a fly in my house,,,the first I have ever seen here in the winter the whole 15 years I'm here...

[BlueCat]

I just killed a fly in my house,,,the first I have ever seen here in the winter the whole 15 years I'm here...

Hmmm do you by chance have a dead body in your basement? :D

Or maybe your house is haunted like that Amityville house. LOL

[Skink]

Yeah but,,,I put 14 inchs of concrete over it???

[BlueCat]

I think it exists to a much milder extent than what some people make it out to be. I don't think its going to kill us for quite a while.

Ok fair enough so WHY do you feel this way? After reading the posts above why do YOU feel it exists to a milder extent? What evidence have you read that supports this?

[dutch.lover]

i don't agree with you IAMEATINGJAM, but I really hope that turns out to be true, for our sakes and our childrens sakes.

[Bob the Awesome]

I remember hearing about the polar bear thing on NPR the other day, and that bothers me. Not only are they dying out, but it was stated that, even though their numbers are dwindling, they are having trouble getting them added to the endagered species list. That's troublesome.

I read the associated press article, and that alone is enough to convince me, if Bush is purposely ignoring the evidence. I'm moderate but seeing as how Bush has pretty much messed everything up (See: Iraq, U.S. Economy, No Child Left Behind) I'm about ready to immediately oppose whatever position he holds.

I still won't claim to know what exactly is causing it, or to what extent: However, if the polar bears are dying due to ice caps breaking up, that right there is alarming. I'm still not 100% convinced but I'm definitely quicker to think it's happening in some capacity than not because of the polar bears.

I'm really interested in finding out how the Earth's temperature should be changing, and how it is changing... might have to look that up sometime.

[TheKidThatLovesMary]

Hey we all have to die some time, wether it be by cancer, heart attack, car accident, or global warming. Why waste your time worrying about the world ending when you have hardly any impact on what will happen. You only get to live once so i say take full advantage of it and live it to the fullest. :D

[dutch.lover]

you have hardly any impact on what will happen.

if only that were true. humans are causing global warming, so humans can also stop it (ideally). we can reduce our impact by lowering our CO2 emissions. don't drive as often, use public transit, hold companies that pollute a lot accountable, force your governments to develop real goals for lowering pollution, etc.

[TheKidThatLovesMary]

if only that were true. humans are causing global warming, so humans can also stop it (ideally). we can reduce our impact by lowering our CO2 emissions. don't drive as often, use public transit, hold companies that pollute a lot accountable, force your governments to develop real goals for lowering pollution, etc.


ya im 15 not that this should make any difference in what im doing but it does put a hold on how many things i can do to help such as car emissions but i have talked to people about lowering there emissions in there house by what al gore brings up in his movie and on his site at www.climatecrisis.net and i do encourage alot of my friends to watch it and visit that site.

[BlueCat]

ya im 15 not that this should make any difference in what im doing but it does put a hold on how many things i can do to help such as car emissions but i have talked to people about lowering there emissions in there house by what al gore brings up in his movie and on his site at www.climatecrisis.net (http://www.climatecrisis.net) and i do encourage alot of my friends to watch it and visit that site.

Good for you...you ARE the future :)

[BlueCat]

If past climate change is any indication, Earth could be in store for some significant global warming according to research published in the December 8, 2006, issue of the journal Science. The work suggests that climate change skeptics may be fighting a losing cause.

The study, led by Mark Pagani, associate professor of geology and geophysics at Yale, looked at an episode of rapid climate change that occurred some 55 million years ago. Known as the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM), the period was marked by a rapid rise in greenhouse gases that heated Earth by roughly 9° F (5° C), in less than 10,000 years. The climate warming caused widespread changes including mass extinction in the world's oceans due to acidification and shifts of plant communities due to changes in rainfall. The era helped set the stage for the "Age of Mammals," which included the first appearance of modern primates.

The research, based on fossil records of terrestrial plants and oceanic plankton, suggests that the world's climate is highly sensitive to atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) levels, finding that a doubling of CO2 concentrations can raise global temperatures by at least 4 ºF (2.2 ºC). Current projections show that natural background atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are expected to double around mid-century due to fossil fuel combustion.

â??We can tell that the amount of carbon released to the atmosphere and ocean was more or less the same as what is available today as coal, oil, and gas,â?� said Dr. Ken Caldeira, co-author of the study and a researcher at the Carnegie Institutionâ??s Department of Global Ecology at Stanford University in California. â??The carbon heated up the Earth for over 100,000 years. If the climate was as insensitive to CO2 as the climate skeptics claim, there would be no way to make the Earth so warm for so long.â?�

http://news.mongabay.com/2006/1207-petm.html

[Bejagins]

Hey the US government says that it doesnt exist but. I do belive that this winter has proved that it does exist. i live in OHIO and there has not been any snow at all and its the end of december??????? I have never seen no snow at all before until this year. Its fucking crazy man


i live in alaska, and for the past couple of years it has been terriable winters (no snow) but this winter we are getting tons :dance: :dance:

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

It was 84 degrees here today in FL... I don't think it's gotten below 50 yet this winter. Global warming is a scary ass thing, and more people need to be educated on it.

SwirlyMass- we shouldn't care because "it's only our children that will die"? I hope you were kidding.

[Bob the Awesome]

And BlueCat hits us with some evidence, thank you BlueCat

[BlueCat]

Ah yes but what do the guys at Yale and Stanford know? The Crawford ranch thermometer looks fine ;)

[harris7]

i live in alaska, and for the past couple of years it has been terriable winters (no snow) but this winter we are getting tons :dance: :dance:


Well if were going to start listing the crazy weather everyoneâ??s having.

Vancouver for the last, I think, 3 months has been in a storm!
If memory serves we had in this order:
-a wind storm
-a rain storm
-this rain storm continued and met another wind storm (lots of damage)
-power was out for 3 days for 500 000 people
Then
-A snow storm with a wind storm
-Then heavy rain for about a month
-now the last few days have been crazy wind storms

This series of events has pretty much convinced the entire province of climate change, as for each event was so sever that to find a equal storm for each we had to go back about 20-50 years; not to mention these all came at the same time

[Bob the Awesome]

I know I'm looking like I'm taking sides or whatever, but the other side hasn't produced any evidence yet so I don't feel too bad.

Another thing, just because some scientists messed up 30 years ago doesn't mean, in any way, they're messing up now. That reminds me of the Gambler's Fallacy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

Where people think, for example, getting a 5 on a six-sided die means there's a less chance of getting a 5 next time, when the odds are still 1/6... What the scientists messed up on 30 years ago has little to no bearing on now.

[harris7]

Hey we all have to die some time, wether it be by cancer, heart attack, car accident, or global warming. Why waste your time worrying about the world ending when you have hardly any impact on what will happen. You only get to live once so i say take full advantage of it and live it to the fullest. :D

Well kid,
Many people care about the effects of their actions. We are causing climate change and whether of not it drastically effects our generation we are morally responsible for the consequences of it. Some people only seem to care about the effects of their actions only when their actions effect themselves. Itâ??s called egocentrism itâ??s a characteristic of young children and mentally handicapped people.

good for you, for doing your part

[harris7]

I know I'm looking like I'm taking sides or whatever, but the other side hasn't produced any evidence yet so I don't feel too bad.

Another thing, just because some scientists messed up 30 years ago doesn't mean, in any way, they're messing up now. That reminds me of the Gambler's Fallacy
oh we have a psychologist among us.. or another. WEll i guess we have a few now.

Anyways That is very true they are independent events. One flawed study has no effect on the validity of others

[dutch.lover]

psychology IS awesome...it's my major.

[BlueCat]

Well kid,
Many people care about the effects of their actions. We are causing climate change and whether of not it drastically effects our generation we are morally responsible for the consequences of it. Some people only seem to care about the effects of their actions only when their actions effect themselves. Itâ??s called egocentrism itâ??s a characteristic of young children and mentally handicapped people.

good for you, for doing your part

LMAO :D :D

[harris7]

So you beleive that global warming is the truth and whole. I'm down with that. You act as though anyone beleiving anything else is insane or ignorant. That I have a problem with.
If you actually feel this way to your fellow man and can't have even the slightest open mind to someone elses opinions, then my freind you are an ass.
Until you can at least attempt to see things form another point of veiw or allow people to see if from theirs, then we will never get along.
Good luck with your long boring journey through life. I'm sorry to say I won't be walking down your road.

Benagain, I find your conduct inappropriate.

You are using what is called ad hominem argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

If you disagree with my arguments please attack my arguments not my person. You clearly are not educated in formal argument and its structure; and I do not hold that against you. I am highly educated in this subject so although I consider your approach inappropriate, I also consider it a complement. By attacking me youâ??ve shown me that my arguments are too difficult to rebut, I thank your for that. But please, next time donâ??t be so immature and just tell me Iâ??m awesome.

[slipknotpsycho]

Benagain, I find your conduct inappropriate.

You are using what is called ad hominem argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

If you disagree with my arguments please attack my arguments not my person. You clearly are not educated in formal argument and its structure; and I do not hold that against you. I am highly educated in this subject so although I consider your approach inappropriate, I also consider it a complement. By attacking me youâ??ve shown me that my arguments are too difficult to rebut, I thank your for that. But please, next time donâ??t be so immature and just tell me Iâ??m awesome.

lol....pwnt?

[dutch.lover]

what's pwnt?

I think Harris7 makes an awesome point though...the ad hominem attack goes on so much on these boards... people just insult other people instead of actually dealing with the subject at hand.

[BlueCat]

This is so true....someone needs to post a debating 101 thread :D

Harris7 I think you're awesome :D

[slipknotpsycho]

what's pwnt?

I think Harris7 makes an awesome point though...the ad hominem attack goes on so much on these boards... people just insult other people instead of actually dealing with the subject at hand.

pwnt = owned = well i'm sure you know what 'owned' means...

[benagain]

Ok Ok, I can completely agree with anyone who thinks I acted innapropriatly. I am not proud how how I acted or what I said. I allowed a petty issue get under my skin and instead of keeping my cool and asking questions or just statingmy point of view, I acted childish and was rude and insulting. Ususally I'm a pretty laid back guy and I try my best to go with the "beleive what you want" conecpt, but I failed miserably here. Please if you can, accept my apologies. I'll make no more attacks on your opinion or your character. I mean no one here ill will and genually hope the best for everyone, whether we get along 100% or not doesn't matter. I acted against my beleifs and I'm ashamed of it, but I have to accept I did it. :(

On another and one last note: I only have one last question.. As everyone can tell, I'm holding out for a final end all answer to the changes and I'm open to all ideas, but what would those who fully understand and belive in global warming like me to do that I'm not allready doing? I've been reading over the links provided and doing my best to grasp the knowledge and I'll eventually read it all. Until then, I'll let you know what I'm doing now. I recycle and conserve engegy, I bought a car that's cheap on gas (not a hybrid, the ones that I can afford are not worth driving), I have an suv, but I generally use the car unless the jeep is just needed (cheap on gas). When I go out to the beach or to fish or whatever, I allways bring back more trash then what I come with. I generally try to be a freind of the environment within my means, but sometimes I get a feeling as though some people want me to do more. I could be wrong, but if not, what can I really do.

I might not fully understand the global warming theory and beleive it, but that doesn't mean I can't still do my part to clean up what little bit of land I inhabit right? I swear this post isn't meant to irritate anyone, but only to help me better understand my situation. Thanks for the patience guys, and sorry again for acting like a dick-head. Nothing but love for everyone here. :thumbsup:

[420izzle]

Benagain...I think that's the right attitude - whether it's real or not, we can do things and help the enviroment whether we'll be here or not. Maybe it's generation down the road that can benefit.
After seeing An Inconvenient Truth and buying the book, I knew there must be more I can do.
A few things I've discovered that I've started working on:
:) eplace a regular incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent light bulb (cfl)
:) Move your thermostat down 2° in winter and up 2° in summer
:) Clean or replace filters on your furnace and air conditioner
:) Install a programmable thermostat
:) Choose energy efficient appliances when making new purchases
:) Wrap your water heater in an insulation blanket
:) Use less hot water
:) Turn off electronic devices you’re not using
:) Only run your dishwasher when there’s a full load and use the energy-saving setting
:) Insulate and weatherize your home
:) Buy recycled paper products and RECYCLE
:) Plant a tree
:) Switch to green power
:) Buy locally grown and produced foods
:) Buy fresh foods instead of frozen
:) Buy organic foods as much as possible
:) Avoid heavily packaged products
:) Eat less meat
:) Reduce the number of miles you drive by walking, biking, carpooling or taking mass transit wherever possible
:) Keep your car tuned up
:) Check your tires weekly to make sure they’re properly inflated
:) Use the good 'erb and obtain enlightenment

Okay, so I added the last one and skipped a few 'no-brainers' ... but this list is from: http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/

[benagain]

Thanks for the tips 420izzle. I dp pretty moch most of those things allready for one reason or another (most of the food stuff for health reasons), but I was wondering about the less emat thing. If it mentions that in the book, is there a reason? I'm only asking as my new years diet calls for lots of lean meats every night so I can't do much about that at the moment, but it would still be nice to know more about it.

[420izzle]

I like meat! MMMMMM good.
But this is what they say:
Methane is the second most significant greenhouse gas and cows are one of the greatest methane emitters. Their grassy diet and multiple stomachs cause them to produce methane, which they exhale with every breath.
Tough to hit 'em all!
GL

[420izzle]

Cradle to Cradle is another good book/concept.

[BlueCat]

I think benagain is on the right path...it really isn't his fault because the current administration has made so many people feel that "any" talk about the environment comes from crazy treehuggers instead of the scientific community from which it really comes...

420izzle those are wonderful suggestions! For EVERYONE!!

I think one of the best things he or anyone can do is READ READ READ the scientific journals and then spread the knowledge so we can defeat the total crap that exxon mobile and their cronies have saturated the public with.

Kudos to you benagain...it is the better person that admits his mistake. Spread your new found knowledge! :D

[harris7]

Benagain...I think that's the right attitude - whether it's real or not, we can do things and help the enviroment whether we'll be here or not. Maybe it's generation down the road that can benefit.
After seeing An Inconvenient Truth and buying the book, I knew there must be more I can do.
A few things I've discovered that I've started working on:
:) eplace a regular incandescent light bulb with a compact fluorescent light bulb (cfl)
:) Move your thermostat down 2° in winter and up 2° in summer
Clean or replace filters on your furnace and air conditioner
:) Install a programmable thermostat
Wrap your water heater in an insulation blanket
:) Use less hot water
:) Turn off electronic devices youâ??re not using
:) Only run your dishwasher when thereâ??s a full load and use the energy-saving setting
:) Insulate and weatherize your home
:) Buy recycled paper products and RECYCLE
:) Plant a tree
:) Switch to green power
:) Buy locally grown and produced foods
:) Buy fresh foods instead of frozen
:) Buy organic foods as much as possible
:) Avoid heavily packaged products
:) Eat less meat
:) Reduce the number of miles you drive by walking, biking, carpooling or taking mass transit wherever possible
:) Keep your car tuned up
:) Check your tires weekly to make sure theyâ??re properly inflated
:) Use the good 'erb and obtain enlightenment

Okay, so I added the last one and skipped a few 'no-brainers' ... but this list is from: http://www.climatecrisis.net/takeaction/

No Worries Ben,

420,

You forgot a very important thing, Lobby the Government!
It is the easiest way for a country. The amount of difference one person can make by changing their own habits isnâ??t very large (but it is important).

The difference one person can make if they
-start writing letters to newspapers on the topic
-write, phone, email your politicians
-organize public forums and educate the public; get more people to lobby

Whats sad is that We all bash China about their emissions but they have some very good policies. There car emission standards are so much higher. Probably 30 years ahead of us. Changing that policy would be relatively easy and would bring so much change.

[benagain]

LOL. Funnily enough, there's a global warming special on the science channel for the next 2 hours. hopefully if work is slow enough I'll get to watch a bit ;)

[Bob the Awesome]

I am a psychology major also, thanks for noticing :D However, now I have to switch sides for a second.

I saw those suggestions from 420izzle, and I need to take up issue with a couple of them.

First, the talk about recycling paper. I'm no expert, and no, I have no sources at this time, but does anyone know the process that goes into recycling paper? I don't usually recycle paper because I was taught it releases crap into the air from the processes related to it... if anyone wants to challenge me on this I'll go find some sources but I'm pretty sure recycling paper isn't gonna help the atmosphere.

Second, the whole thing on Organic Foods... sorry people, but I won't take it. Organic growing takes up more space than genetically-modified foods, and from one estimate I heard, if we all grew organically the Earth could only support 4 billion people, food-wise. That's pretty bad, trying to get 1/3 of everyone to sacrifice themselves.

Again, no evidence right now but the other claims didn't have any scientific journals/studies to back it up, so it's just word for word as of now.

[benagain]

I dunno about the paper recycling as I've allways saved my paper and burnt it myself when fast hot heat is needed, but this is the 1st time I've ever heard that organic growing was bad. I don't see how it can take up more space. You still grow it in the ground, you just do so without harmfull chemicals and such. More info on this organic food issue please.

[dutch.lover]

please please please don't bash organic foods. what you heard about organic foods not feeding enough people is a total lie that gm scientists have made up to convice the public of their cause. I will let harris7 brief you on this one too....haha im not exactly lazy, but he just does a better job at these things and he is much more knowledgeable than me in this area.

ps: to learn more about genetic engineering and organic food, watch the movie Future of Food. it's one of them "informative" movies, but it's really good- i promise.

[Bob the Awesome]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_Farming#Genetically_modified_organisms

The Organic Farming movement staunchly opposes genetically modified foods, despite that a lot of them have helped places with starving populations by increasing crop yields. Thanks for the concern, but I'll bash organic farming all I want.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with avoiding harmful pesticides and other such things, but if you don't understand what genetic modification is you shouldn't be opposing it. Genetic modification has been practiced for centuries, starting with Mendel.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

I guess this guy is evil because he opposes widespread organic farming because he, too, feels it'd take up too much land area and cause deforestation. Remember, more crop land means less room for other things.

[benagain]

I just care about the pesticides and stuff, and it's not like I can really afford to eat organic every night. I'm doing well enough to make all my meals from scratch 6 times a week. I'm sure there'll eventually be a new category of food to cover this little issue. The organic label seems to cover a lot of ground.

[harris7]

Second, the whole thing on Organic Foods... sorry people, but I won't take it. Organic growing takes up more space than genetically-modified foods, and from one estimate I heard, if we all grew organically the Earth could only support 4 billion people, food-wise. That's pretty bad, trying to get 1/3 of everyone to sacrifice themselves.


Well bob youâ??ve stumbled on the topic that I am probably most informed on, bar none.
That would be GMOâ??s and organic foods.

First off I would like you to keep in mind the huge argo. Companies in the USA and the enormous invested interest they have. They actually run adâ??s on TV with blatant lieâ??s on them. And they can because as Fox Newsâ??s favorite defense: â??lying on TV isnâ??t illegalâ?�.

Fact 1: No GMO crop has ever exceeded the production per hectare than a Natural crop!
-remember that organic farming and GMO are separate. So this comparison is between the same growing techniques. Organic or Chemical

But how is this related to Global warming???

It is the production of the synthetic fertilizers and pesticides. For example, to produce ammonia they use the Haber-Bosch process
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber-Bosch

They take Nitrogen and Hydrogen in gas form, you might have noticed that the left side of the reaction contains 4 moles of gas (mole=unit of measurement) and the right side contains only 2 (less thus less volume).

So to push this reaction into spontaneity they must compress and heat the gasses together. This enormous use of pressure and heat takes a lot of energy from electricity to produce. And since most of the world get their electricity from Coal we can see the effect.

Because of this the farming industry has become dependent on fossil fuels. Modern farms use ore petroleum than any other single industry, consuming 12% of USAâ??s total energy supply!
Some info on this front: http://www.321energy.com/editorials/church/church040205.html

Now could earth support only 4 billion people only growing organics? Well first off, most third world countries grow organically! So most people are living off it already.
On another note, some scientists believe the carrying capacity of the earth for humans is only 5 billion people. We have exceeded this capacity and thus are over fishing, over farming and over using every natural resource we know about.

More importantly synthetic fertilizers are addictiveâ?¦
By that I mean that a farmer will have to apply more synthetic fertilizers each year to maintain the same yield. Principally this is because synthetics harm the soil life. But, many other aspects of chemical farming are also harmful and they all relate to the soil.
If you pop over to the cultivation section of this message board you might hear the slogan â??feed the soil, not the plantâ?�. Itâ??s just a phrase demonstrating the importance of the soil life.
I will stop here, but Iâ??ll keep going if youâ??d like. The importance of soil life cant be emphasized enough, but Iâ??m getting somewhat off topic.

Soil life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_life

Carrying capacity (important concept in ecology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity

[MastaChronic]

using every natural resource we know about.

except one.......................................hemp.
hemp could completely replace petrol as an energy source.

for more information, read jack herer's book "the emperor wears no clothes"
found at jackherer.com
although i assume youve already read it, this fact just slipped your mind perhaps.

[Bob the Awesome]

Well, OK, let me clarify: My problem with the Organic Farming idea is solely against the fact that they dislike genetically modified foods.

I will not debate fertilizers. I do not know much about them, and I could see us needing to reduce using most of them. I want to stick to going against GMO's

As for more food being produced:

Taken from http://www.reason.com/news/show/27665.html

"But Borlaug and his team were already engaged in the kind of crash program that Ehrlich declared wouldn't work. Their dwarf wheat varieties resisted a wide spectrum of plant pests and diseases and produced two to three times more grain than the traditional varieties."

"In 1960, the production of the 17 most important food, feed, and fiber crops--virtually all of the important crops grown in the U.S. at that time and still grown today--was 252 million tons. By 1990, it had more than doubled, to 596 million tons, and was produced on 25 million fewer acres than were cultivated in 1960. If we had tried to produce the harvest of 1990 with the technology of 1960, we would have had to have increased the cultivated area by another 177 million hectares, about 460 million more acres of land of the same quality--which we didn't have, and so it would have been much more. We would have moved into marginal grazing areas and plowed up things that wouldn't be productive in the long run. We would have had to move into rolling mountainous country and chop down our forests. President Clinton would not have had the nice job of setting aside millions of acres of land for restricted use, where you can't cut a tree even for paper and pulp or for lumber. So all of this ties together."

So if you grew EVERYTHING organically, no genetic modified anything, you'd have to chop down forests, which would cause less trees, who suck up carbon dioxide... see? It's about balance, and going 100% no-GMO isn't balance.

[harris7]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have an issue with avoiding harmful pesticides and other such things, but if you don't understand what genetic modification is you shouldn't be opposing it. Genetic modification has been practiced for centuries, starting with Mendel.

EDIT: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug
.

NO, did you hear that on a Monsanto ad? because thatâ??s their actual example.

Bob, I respect you and thatâ??s why Iâ??m going to take the time and break this down.

Mendel bred peas,. So what were really talking about is genetic engineering and selective breeding.

I will explain the difference. But I am going to assume some knowledge of evolution, sorry if it confuses.

Genetics info you need to know:
-Phenotype --- is what genes are expressed. Ie. What the organism looks like
-Genotype----- The genetic make up of an organism. Defined by the genes present.
-Gene--- a string of DNA that codes for a particular trait. EG. Eye or hair colour.
-Allele--- different possible options a gene can have.
EG. For the Gene â??eye colourâ?� the alleleâ??s are: brown, blue, green and so on
-for each gene there are two alleleâ??s, because we have two sets of each chromosome (one from your mom and the other from your dad. Well in some cases the second is from the mail man.)
-Mutations --- are the only known source of Alleleâ??s and genes. Mutations are accidents when transcribing or translating DNA or RNA.
Homozygous- the two alleleâ??s for a gene in an organism are the same
Heterozygous- the two alleleâ??s are different

Theory of plant breeding: (its simple)
-Lets say your goal is to grow nice big tomatoes
-You grow lots and lots of different plants
-look through them and find the ones producing the most desirable fruit.
-Take these two plants, force them to pollinate each other.
-Then you get the seeds from the plant. (it gets complex here)
-Since these seeds are from your two strongest (genetically) plants all the seeds will have a different mix of the plants.

-These seeds will come out in the ratio 1:2:1
1â??or 25% of the seeds will have a homozygous genotype for the desired trait, with the desired allele!
2---or 50% will have heterozygous genotype for trait, have both alleleâ??s
1â??25% will have homozygous, with two undesired alleleâ??s
(assuming each of the parents were heterozygote for the gene)

This is what Mendel Taught us.

I will continue. Please donâ??t comment yet.

[dutch.lover]

except one.......................................hemp.
hemp could completely replace petrol as an energy source.

for more information, read jack herer's book "the emperor wears no clothes"
found at jackherer.com
although i assume youve already read it, this fact just slipped your mind perhaps.

great point man. i don't think harris7 has read that, although he definitely knows the benefits hemp has when it comes to energy. we were just discussing yesterday actually, how hemp can be used for everything from clothes and paper, to fuel. so in essence, hemp could actually be used as fuel for lots of things, and it's totally sustainable!!! it's awesome.:jointsmile:

[420purplehaze420]

Second, the whole thing on Organic Foods... sorry people, but I won't take it. Organic growing takes up more space than genetically-modified foods, and from one estimate I heard, if we all grew organically the Earth could only support 4 billion people, food-wise. That's pretty bad, trying to get 1/3 of everyone to sacrifice themselves.



Got a link? cause that is just plain made up

[harris7]

Now Genetic engineering.

This one is much easier and shorter

-A scientist wants to put a quality from one species into another.
-they locate the desired quality (gene) and literally cut it out.
-Then they place it in another organisms nucleolus by three means
-The gene gun- coat small pieces of gold with the gene and literally shoot the cell. Little pieces of gold will penetrate the nucleus… job done
-The most used means is virus’s and bacteria. Look up how a virus works.
-and the last is to place the target cell in a solution of the Gene and run an electric current through it. The electricity increases the permeability of the cell allowing the gene to enter.

Now I’ll highlight the difference:

GM—adding a new Gene

Breeding—is selecting the desired allele, no new gene’s

The most important thing is that a new gene is added. This is very dangerous. I don’t know your understanding of genetics but 1 gene does not code for one protein. In fact the human genome is only 30 000 genes and the human body has over 200 000 proteins. This relationship is only possible if genes interact to produce some proteins.
The unfortunate fact is that we cannot predict the effects of the gene interaction. The only effect we can predict (and the only thing they look for) is the desired trait.

You might be interested in the lack of testing done to these crops b4 they are allowed to be grown, sold and consumed. In the USA there is none! They are seen as “equivalent”

I am 110% opposed to GMO food crops! My opposition rests on their safety and their effect to biodiversity.

I will answer any questions you have. But I ask that you please start a thread.

[dutch.lover]

listen to Harris, he really knows what he is talking about.

ps: he puts a SHITLOAD of effort into all his posts made on global warming and now this GMO/organic stuff. he has been working on these posts nonstop for around an hour now, and counting.

[harris7]

EDIT: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

I guess this guy is evil because he opposes widespread organic farming because he, too, feels it'd take up too much land area and cause deforestation. Remember, more crop land means less room for other things.

You might be interested to see what this man said as he neared the end of his life.

Something about sinning against god by thinking he could improve god work and how he had failed.


I am now going to return to reading my book "the weather makers"

[harris7]

You might be interested to see what this man said as he neared the end of his life.

Something about sinning against god by thinking he could improve god work and how he had failed.


I am now going to return to reading my book "the weather makers"

I am thinking of someone else, sorry

[Bob the Awesome]

You might be interested in the lack of testing done to these crops b4 they are allowed to be grown, sold and consumed. In the USA there is none! They are seen as “equivalent”

Link?

You might be interested to see what this man said as he neared the end of his life.

Something about sinning against god by thinking he could improve god work and how he had failed.

Link?

And I fail to see how that man failed if he increased the crop yields of Pakistan and India that much... maybe he didn't do it everywhere but that's still monumental.

[dutch.lover]

I saw "The Future of Food" and that movie mentioned the point about GMOs being seen as "equivalent". but i'm sure there is more info out there on the net about that.

[harris7]

You might be interested in the lack of testing done to these crops b4 they are allowed to be grown, sold and consumed. In the USA there is none! They are seen as â??equivalentâ?�

Link?

You might be interested to see what this man said as he neared the end of his life.

Something about sinning against god by thinking he could improve god work and how he had failed.

Link?

And I fail to see how that man failed if he increased the crop yields of Pakistan and India that much... maybe he didn't do it everywhere but that's still monumental.
Bob, as i said please start a thread i dont want to take this one over. Even thought it might be finished.

I began rebutting you on superficial levels and now it has receded to much higher level discussion of GMO. I will cite sources as i understand the importance of that. It is difficult for me as so many of them are in my books not on the NEt but i'm sure i can find them quickly. I will be back. and i'll meet you on a new thread.

PS- His purpose was to create a standardized approach at agriculture. To this he failed, but only because it is impossible. I dont mean he failed in his work or his life.

[Bob the Awesome]

Alrighty, that sounds fine. Misunderstood what you said about his work, and if you wanna start a new thread, I'll find it.

[harris7]

man thats totaly your job. (making thread)
i've got the hard one of finding all my citations

[harris7]

ok well i just found were i stored all my GMO info on my computer. So my job just got easy. i've made the thread. LETS DO IT!!!

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?p=1172760#post1172760

[harris7]

The thread is officially dead. But hey, I thought I’d post this link anyways.

Here is some interesting information about how Exxon funds so many of the climate change deniers. As well as much of the research they base their “facts” on

Enjoy

www.exxonsecrets.org

[BlueCat]

I am not understanding Bob's point with the GM foods...

I can tell you this much whatever David Suzuki says IS GOLD I will not listen to anyone that contradicts anything this man says. :)

Have you brought up the problem of the modifieds destroying the natural lines yet? I went back to your first thread and ending up going in circles LOL

I read a story about how if we ever get a disease in bananas nearly all the bananas on earth will be wiped out because we only grow one type now and have not nutured the other ones. Each type is more resistant to different problems, frost, drought, etc..but now we just have the one type so everyone better hope it stays healthy.

[BlueCat]

harris I see you go to the exxonsecrets site

do you go to this one its really good.

http://www.corpwatch.org/

[harris7]

I can tell you this much whatever David Suzuki says IS GOLD I will not listen to anyone that contradicts anything this man says. :)

Have you brought up the problem of the modifieds destroying the natural lines yet? I went back to your first thread and ending up going in circles LOL
I did'nt have to go that far, GMO's are very bad for so many other reasons. So i didn't have to list all of them.

I read a story about how if we ever get a disease in bananas nearly all the bananas on earth will be wiped out because we only grow one type now and have not nutured the other ones. Each type is more resistant to different problems, frost, drought, etc..but now we just have the one type so everyone better hope it stays healthy.
Yup. Ever heard of the potato Famineâ?¦
The same blight hit Mexico a few years after but they were hardly affected as they grew so many different kinds of potatoes. Actually Mexico has banned GM corn, as they want to protect their natural corn diversity which is so entrenched in their culture.
What is so troubling is that GM corn was found in a remote Mexican village While it is currently illegal! Iâ??ll attach the research paper on that.


I think what is the problem is that Bob has seen a lot of corporate propaganda. I've seen the ad's Monsanto and other play in the USA and what their funded representatives say and it is very troubling. The biggest problem is that In the USA you can spread blatant lies on TV, Wowâ?¦
This one woman in some state started a campaign to label GM ingredients in foods. She had a budget of a few thousand dollars. Unfortunately she was defeated by Monsantoâ??s Multi-million dollar campaign.

[S.P.Q.R.]

I live in eastern Arizona and we've had TONS of snow.. It's still snowing right now actually. Crazy shit

No snow in Ohio yet??

[madeline]

I'm in east-central AZ and we're having record breaking cold! But at least it's sunny today, damn cold but barely a cloud in the sky which means it's going to be another cold night. And another cozy night sleeping in front of the fireplace.

[twist n shout]

The movie waterworld isnt such a far stretch,is it? And just think,we dont even have gills.:( :confused: :eek: :what: :what:

[Delta]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Carl Sagan
US astronomer & popularizer of astronomy (1934 - 1996)

[harris7]

i like that

[BlueCat]

This is how I spent the last couple days....making calls and sending emails...At times you think it is a waste of time then you get an email like this one...the bill you want to pass passes and it feels nice ;)

January 19, 2007
Dear BlueCat, <--name changed :D
We won! Thanks to your emails and phone calls, we swamped the Senate and they passed a strong lobbying and ethics reform bill, S. 1, in a 96-2 landslide.

Other good news (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:ol%28%27news%27%29;): Justice was served today when ex-Rep. Bob Ney (R-Ohio) was sentenced to 30 months in jail. I guess that free golf trip to Scotland wasn't so free.

Again, thank you! Daniel De Bonis Online Organizer Public Citizen's Congress Watch

P.S. If you are still fired up, write a quick email to your senators thanking them for passing S. 1. Click here: http://action.citizen.org/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=6528&t=CleanUpWashington2col.dwt (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:ol%28%27http://action.citizen.org/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=6528&t=CleanUpWashington2col.dwt%27%29;)

It was looking grim yesterday, as a partisan fight had broken out the day before which threatened to kill the whole bill.
The stand-off was over a dispute between Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) on whether the Senate would take a vote on a "line-item" veto proposal desired by President Bush.



Our activists and other concerned citizens then flooded the Capitol with calls demanding an immediate vote on real lobbying and ethics reform.
Throughout the afternoon and into the evening, the Senate leaders negotiated an agreement that eventually brought the bill back to life.




Here are bill highlights this is going to help on so many levels :) I am a happy camper...



The bill: 1. Bans gifts from lobbyists and organizations the hire lobbyists (no more gifts to lawmakers, folks).
2. Prohibits organizations that employ lobbyists from arranging or paying for congressional travel, with the following exceptions:
* One day trips
* Travel paid for by 501(c)(3), subject to pre-approval by the ethics committee
* Travel paid for by universities.
3. Requires Members to pay full charter rates for flying on private corporate jets, for officially connected and campaign trips.
4. Discloses all fundraising activity, including bundling, by lobbyists.
5. Prohibits lobbyists from hosting events that "honor" members of Congress, even at party conventions.
6. Extends revolving door prohibition from one year to two â?? and include "lobbying activity" in that two-year cooling off period.
7. Prohibits spouses of Members of Congress from lobbying, unless they were registered lobbyists prior to the Member's election or they were a lobbyist prior to one year of marrying the Member.
8. Members cannot request earmarks that benefit the Member's immediate family.
9. Extensive earmark disclosure, for federal agencies as well as earmarks to private parties.
10. Earmarks must be posted on the Members' Web page.
11. Disclosure of stealth coalition lobbying.
12. And, of course, quarterly, electronic reporting of lobbying activity.

[Fengzi]

Global warming? Maybe global freezing. We've had record cold temps here in the San Francisco area for more than a week now. My 3yo daughter walked outside and slipped and fell on the ice. We're not suppposed to have ice here.

Then again, it did get up to 113 degrees at our house this past summer. That was a record too.

Warmer or colder, the weather definitely seems to be fucked up lately

[BlueCat]

You're kidding I hope...

sorry about your baby falling :( Is she ok?

My daughter and grandson have been without electricity for days and they are having a big ice storm again!! They are in Missouri..

And Tommy had hurricane force winds in Germany!

Things are changing..wouldn't it be amusing if that huge iceberg that broke off up here made it all the way to SF!!

[klup]

I'ts not global warming. Global warming is just what the hippies are calling the global climate shift. We're way overdue for one. If anything, global warming is keeping shit tolerable for us just a little longer. Mother nature will catch up and climates everywhere will be wayy off but it's not global warming. Don't beleive Gore. Hairspray and SUV's are not killing hte planet and he did not invent the internet.

shut up.

its warm now because of el nino, and GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. trash it a bit? we butt fucked the shit out of this planet, seriously, its taking a lot of abuse and maybe, hopefully, we can save it without permanent damage, but that takes some work. its not going to be some apocalyptic 'the day after tomorrow' hollywood shit, but it could eventually stop life on the planet if not addressed properly.

[Fengzi]

You're kidding I hope...

sorry about your baby falling :( Is she ok?

My daughter and grandson have been without electricity for days and they are having a big ice storm again!! They are in Missouri..

And Tommy had hurricane force winds in Germany!

Things are changing..wouldn't it be amusing if that huge iceberg that broke off up here made it all the way to SF!!

Nope, not kidding. We have had really bizzare weather here this year. extremes on both end of the tempearature scale.

My little girl just fell on her butt and laughed it off. It was just an amazing thing that there would be ice to fall on in the first place. Every now and then I'll see some first thing in the morning, maybe a very thin sheet on top of a puddle off in some shady spot off the road. But this was in the afternoon and on pavement(which would normally be warmer). That's pretty much unheard of. It's the entire West Coast too. I work with some people up in the Portland area and they were completely shut down on Monday.

And what's with NY? I kept hearing on Letterman that it was like 70 degrees there last week. Is that true or was he just fucking around?

[BlueCat]

Letterman had to be joking they are covered in ice too...

But at one point last week Houston had 79 degrees and just a few miles away it was 20 degrees :eek: man I bet those were some big thunderstorms!

[BlueCat]

shut up.

its warm now because of el nino, and GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. trash it a bit? we butt fucked the shit out of this planet, seriously, its taking a lot of abuse and maybe, hopefully, we can save it without permanent damage, but that takes some work. its not going to be some apocalyptic 'the day after tomorrow' hollywood shit, but it could eventually stop life on the planet if not addressed properly.

Ummmm wasn't benagain's post sarcasm? :)

[harris7]

Fengzi,

A simplistic word,
Global warming is very slow, So far we've only warmed the earth ~0.63 degrees Celsius.

This isn't an amount that we would notice. But, 1) the world dosn't warm evenly the poles will feel the biggest effect at first. 2) The importance of this warming isn't that it will be a lil hotter. It's that this small change is significant for all kinds of earth systems. Systems that get destabilized by the change.

By destabilizing these systems (systems like the gulf stream, Jet stream and others) Causes climate change. Climate Change is what we are being subject too and is what were worried about.

If you have any doubt, check out how fast records are getting broken around the globe.
All kinds of records: Hottest hots, coldest colds, wettest, driest, stormiest and so on.

It’s quite concerning.

[harris7]

Ummmm wasn't benagain's post sarcasm? :)

Its hard to tell online

[benagain]

Yea, umm. I was just joking around. Even apologized for overreacting when people started taking me serriously. Took myself serriously (when it didn't deserve it). Just so everyone is clear here....actually you know what..go read the rest of the thread yourself. I don't feel like re-typing it all. Don't just read one post and hit quick reply :thumbsup:

[BlueCat]

the poles are already feeling it...haven't you read about the dead polar bears :(

Polar bears drown as ice shelf melts

SCIENTISTS have for the first time found evidence that polar bears are drowning because climate change is melting the Arctic ice shelf. The researchers were startled to find bears having to swim up to 60 miles across open sea to find food. They are being forced into the long voyages because the ice floes from which they feed are melting, becoming smaller and drifting farther apart.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1938132,00.html

The evidence on Google Video really seems to be coming in fast and furious now. This video shows the effects of climate change on Patagonia in South America. It contains amazing before and after pictures that are pretty hard to dispute...I mean look at the difference in the photos....it's scary..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4255102240531863790&hl=en

[BlueCat]

Its hard to tell online

Not if taken in context with other benagain posts...

Poor ben so misunderstood :D

[harris7]

my comment was accutaly for Fengzi post

[BlueCat]

Its hard to tell online

insert Vinnie Barbarino voice here--> I'm so confused!:D

[BlueCat]

Fengzi,

A simplistic word,
Global warming is very slow, So far we've only warmed the earth ~0.63 degrees Celsius.

This isn't an amount that we would notice. But, 1) the world dosn't warm evenly the poles will feel the biggest effect at first. 2) The importance of this warming isn't that it will be a lil hotter. It's that this small change is significant for all kinds of earth systems. Systems that get destabilized by the change.

By destabilizing these systems (systems like the gulf stream, Jet stream and others) Causes climate change. Climate Change is what we are being subject too and is what were worried about.

If you have any doubt, check out how fast records are getting broken around the globe.
All kinds of records: Hottest hots, coldest colds, wettest, driest, stormiest and so on.

Itâ??s quite concerning.

It is...and harris you know what I don't understand? I just don't get the divisiveness of this issue. Even when they had all this crazy weather from El Nino all the reporters were clamoring to report 'this is not global warming don't be afraid" Instead of using El Nino to explain what global warming as it advances will be like...it is going to change the global water conveyor and when it does we will see the same weather changes that come with El Nino only worse. Why didn't they use this weeks weather to help people to understand? It is crazy. I just don't get it.

[Garden Knowm]

Polar bears have begun to cannabalize each other.. because there hunting grounds are GONE...

iloveyou

[unconscious]

I haven't really read through this thread, but this is what I know:

Global warming is a bunch of media BULLSHIT. It's fucking hype, nothing more. Earth goes through these cycles all the time, fluctuations in temperature like this are not uncommon.

We had warmer temperatures on the earth 200,000 years ago. This is nothing new.

[harris7]

I haven't really read through this thread, but this is what I know:

Global warming is a bunch of media BULLSHIT. It's fucking hype, nothing more. Earth goes through these cycles all the time, fluctuations in temperature like this are not uncommon.

We had warmer temperatures on the earth 200,000 years ago. This is nothing new.


umm actually your media is trying to convince you that it doesnâ??t exist.
If you want me to rebut your statements please answer some questions:
-Can you name a single earth cycle?
-how about the one most responsible for climate? And what should the planet be doing now��
-Could you please name one public person who doesnâ??t believe in G/W.

IT isn't an issue of debate Anywhere! Neither is climate change. Actually neither is being debated at all. The only thing that is occurring is science progressing as usual and large corporations protecting their investments. Itâ??s quite reminiscent of Big tobacco and asbestos.


Blue cat, the polar bears are now on the endangered species list

[Eraserhead71]

SEE AL GORES MOVIE.. it will explain it ALL...


right on.

[harris7]

Unconscious you might be interested in finding out who funds and manufactures your â??knowledgeâ?�

www.exxonsecrets.com

You know, not even oil companies believe that anymore. They once had an organization called the â??Global Climate Coalitionâ?� whoâ??s purpose was to oppose action against climate change. It was formed in 1989 and was very successful in stalling action against climate change and consequently they have enjoyed almost two decades of huge profits.
It has pretty much died off since 2000 since several of the companies involved have left and are perusing green tech now; Namely BP who is now the worldâ??s largest manufacture of photovoltaic cells


Billa, I donâ??t really know what you mean.
If you are talking about the Temp of the planets, well the order is Venus, earth then Mars.
And the temperature seems to decrease with distance.

Venus temp range is : 737K â?? 773K
Earth temp range is: 185K â?? 331L (-88.3 C â??57.7 C)
Mars temp range is: 133K- 293K (-140--- 20 degrees C)
So temperature decreases as distance from heat source increases.
Whatâ??s the problem?

[harris7]

Polar bears have begun to cannabalize each other.. because there hunting grounds are GONE...

iloveyou

They have also begun hunting seals in open water, something never b4 seen.
it's really quite sad

[Garden Knowm]

I haven't really read through this thread, but this is what I know:

Global warming is a bunch of media BULLSHIT. It's fucking hype, nothing more. Earth goes through these cycles all the time, fluctuations in temperature like this are not uncommon.

We had warmer temperatures on the earth 200,000 years ago. This is nothing new.



WOW.... thanks for clearing it ALL up.... you have saved the day... I was starting to get worried... so.. you say it is all bullshit... great.. great.. fantastic... I think I will by and Escalade tomorrow...

AND since you have been so kind sharing your wisdom.. could you send me your mailing address to [email protected]

I have a DVD for you..

iloveyou

[MaryJaneScott]

http://www.leonardodicaprio.org/whatsimportant/globalwarning.swf

you tell em' leo

[Garden Knowm]

http://www.leonardodicaprio.org/whatsimportant/globalwarning.swf

you tell em' leo

YOU ROCK!!!! nice find

[MaryJaneScott]

YOU ROCK!!!! nice find

listen to the wombat gk.. he is wise. http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/101522-wise-old-wombat.html

Love :)

[Garden Knowm]

i'd like to give you a tongue bath. cause your special.. not short yellow bus special.... your special like double stuff oreo cookies...

iloveyou

[MaryJaneScott]

only, i'm better for your teeth....

[Flesh420]

yeah, whatsup flesh, i live in ohio 2, we got a really shitty winter this year... what city do you live in?


Hey waddup i live in a medium sized town called Centerburg. Its like in between Sunbury and Mt. Vernon. I just quit distrubting tha GREEN around here. So if you live by and know where to get some hit me up. L8ER

[MaryJaneScott]

http://www.truemajority.com/ExxonToastsPlanet.swf

iLoVEearth

[misspotn]

Global warming has been around for a while and they realized it in the 1960's but failed to do anything about it. Some people think it would be too costly to correct. Wouldn't the devastating results be way worse to deal with? The name change to 'global climate change' is just a cop out so that our highly intelligent leaders don't have to admit that they were wrong and the 'hippies' are right.

The world is in a sad state these days.

[Garden Knowm]

I love the world... it is awakening... the mothership is alive...

iloveyou

[harris7]

Global warming has been around for a while and they realized it in the 1960's but failed to do anything about it. Some people think it would be too costly to correct. Wouldn't the devastating results be way worse to deal with? The name change to 'global climate change' is just a cop out so that our highly intelligent leaders don't have to admit that they were wrong and the 'hippies' are right.

The world is in a sad state these days.

Some people have been suggesting Global Warming for a very long time.
Some of these people were unfortunately quite irrational because at the time there wasn't enough evidence.

An interesting story to read about is CFC's which destroy the ozone layer.
IT took a long time to realize that was occurring and successfully stopped it.

What is quite troublesome is if industry used BFC's. Which are almost identical molecules except they use a bromine Atom rather than a Chlorine. This Bromine molecule is thousands of time more damaging than CFCâ??s and if they had used it we would have destroyed the entire ozone layer.

The only reason they didnâ??t use it was because using chlorine was slightly cheaper.