New Project:

[bud luv]

A friend has:

Apartment.
1 Bedroom.
It is a Living Space.
Desire to grow.

The tentative plan is to build a 4x5x7 box in the bedroom. This would essentially be a DIY hydrohut. 1000w HPS. 6 bucket DIY hydrofarm setup like in my Signature. Cutting any holes in the apartment is a no-no, it's got a unit below and above it. The box would be sealed/sealable. The goal would be to yield a good crop, enough to caregive for several patients. Odor control is probably a necessity, in some form or other. The apartment has one of those dual-sliding door closets that's very wide but only about 20-24 inches deep. It seems the closet wouldn't be deep enough to run an effective grow.

Q's:
Is it a deathwish to run a CO2 hyrdohut in a bedroom where someone sleeps?
Should the box be a little bigger?
Would 2x600w be a lot better than 1x1000?
should the box be free-standing or should I use a corner in the apt?
Should the sliding-door closet be used as "part" of the box?
What odor solution is recommended?
It is undesirable to have an exhuast going directly to a window - does anyone have any insight into a good (and cheap, to start) exhaust system for this?
Mylar or Black/White?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions later... If any of the respected and knowledgeable folks here have any insight into the matter, let bud luv know!

[bud luv]

apt layout:

[BlueBear]

Hey Bud, for oder check this out http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87874
I would personally go with the 2x600W's because if they run too hot you can always take one out. For reflection, the miler emergency blankets in the Wal Mart sports department work like a charm for me. The black and white Panda paper are nice for seperating rooms IMO.
Adieu

[TheGreenFog]

Is it a deathwish to run a CO2 hyrdohut in a bedroom where someone sleeps?
Should the box be a little bigger?
Would 2x600w be a lot better than 1x1000?
should the box be free-standing or should I use a corner in the apt?
Should the sliding-door closet be used as "part" of the box?
What odor solution is recommended?
It is undesirable to have an exhuast going directly to a window - does anyone have any insight into a good (and cheap, to start) exhaust system for this?
Mylar or Black/White?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions later... If any of the respected and knowledgeable folks here have any insight into the matter, let bud luv know!

These are my noobie opinions and first thoughts to your questions:

The box seems about the right size. A 'bit' small for a 1000 but as long as you can control the heat, you should be alright. It is about 100watts per square foot. DENSE buds if all other factors are controlled.

The first thing I thought of was Tranoble's sealed room and thought that maybe you can run something like that...but then again it would have to be REALLY sealed and you would have to have co2 regulated and circulating air inside...

...and I BELIEVE you would still have to clear out the stale air every once in a while. I may be wrong about that last statement.

What else...oh the lights...Bluebear was right about the 2 x 600 instead of 1000 due to the heat factor but also due to the coverage factor. I dont think you will really have that much of a problem gettin a decent footprint from the 1000w because, from what I've read, it can cover about 4 x 4 or so...so you will have some area missing.

20-24 inches is tight, but not too tight for a grow. The closet in theJOURNAL OF A MADMAN (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=83858&page=26) is 23 inches deep. Check it out.

If you have a good window to exhaust from, it is a good option, but you said there are people above, so...

The box should be freestanding if you dont have it in the closet...for easy breaking down in case of an emergency. :)

...damn lost track of what I was saying (got pulled away from the cpu)

I recommend black and white over mylar, due to it's durability and ease of use over mylar. Mylar is cheaper, tho.

Well, it has taken me about 1 hour or so to type this response so please disregard any double info. Thanks.

Be cool.


:rastasmoke: RastafarI

TGF

[DaBoyWeb]

you could run the 1000w but you are gonna need a six inch fan to do so effectively even if you run two sixes i would run a six inch fan so you can bring the lights as close as possible check these pix of a "small" system im runnin right now 600 hps 14 plant aero four inch eco fan 4in carbon filter in a 4x4 homeboxXL hope this helps:rastasmoke:

[DaBoyWeb]

for some reason i cant post pix will post asap

[DaBoyWeb]

finally got the pix up

[bud luv]

What are the temps in there, and what are the temps where you live?

thanks to everyone for their insights, they've all been very helpful.

[bud luv]

Oh and web, why is your filter outside the room? From what I understand it's better to "suck" through it than "blow." I'm not sure about this, but it seems like most people put the filters in the gro room. filter-->exhaust or filter-->lights-->exhaust

Anybody got any info as to whether or not the occupant of the bedroom would die from the co2? thanks

[bud luv]

Hey Bud, for oder check this out http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=87874
Adieu

hey buddy.

So you have that thing in use? My understanding is that the thing makes a cover-up odor, is it something you'd want to have running in your main living space? Do you have experience with ozone generators or ion thingamajigs?

How do all these things work compared to carbon filters?

:confused:

I should mention that budget is a concern and probably only one type of odor system will be installed initially, which should be the first one?

Thanks.

[bud luv]

Damn...

It's tough to decide how to set this baby up.

buckets, aero, flood?

build the box for one light or two?

a ton of small plants or a bunch of medium sized?



I want to do a lot of tiny plants, but it's impractical to do this with hydrofarm buckets, which I'm accustomed to using. I don't like flood trays so much. Dare I do a massive aero PVC job?

[DaBoyWeb]

its in the garage so it stays fairly cool but i bought a heater to regulate. The reason my carbon filter is outside is becuz i dont have to scrub the air comin in but just the air going out it would be ineffective to scrub incoming air becuz once you exhaust it will smell like bud i could just sit it inside the box and direct a fan at it but i prefer the exhaust method

[bud luv]

Hey Web.

You can still scrub the exhaust air by putting the filter inside the gro area. You pull the air in the grow through the carbon filter, through a fan, into the exhaust. I believe that's how it's most commonly done, but if it works for you to push the air through it, more power to you.

[bud luv]

7 x 4 x 7ft Box built

Next the guts go in. Lights. Fans. Hydrodiggity. Girls.

[bud luv]

I haven't decided how to make the front.

[latewood]

I'm liking this...looks alot like one of my rooms. Check ya later

WOW...My 3500th post...WOW

I am adding fans/ventilation today or tomorrow to 2 rooms...maybe we can help each other with some info sharing

[bud luv]

I am adding fans/ventilation today or tomorrow to 2 rooms...maybe we can help each other with some info sharing

Yes, Definitely!

The eventual plan is to put in a vortex and a can filter.... and after one go-around another light. The hood that I have does seem to spread the light out suitably for the space, though.

Off to get some clones... :D

[bud luv]

how did you make the front on yours? I'm considering making two plywood french doors, but I know there's a better solution out there somewhere.

[DaBoyWeb]

zip door? nice job you decided what kind of system yet?

[DaBoyWeb]

is that a 2x4 tray?

[bud luv]

is that a 2x4 tray?

3' x 6'. It's a Flood system; netpots, rockwool, hydroton, coco mat. Pics in a few minutes after I medicate.

[DaBoyWeb]

nice how many girlz you gonna try to fit in it?

[bud luv]

The pics are adjusted to look less bright and more 'manageable.' In real life it's almost impossible to be in there without sunglasses. There's nothing like a brand new 1000w bulb.

You can see in the first photo what I meant about the hood giving coverage of the whole 3 x 6 area. I don't whether I should spread the girls out or keep the spacing as it currently is. Suggestions, latewood? How do you do it in your box?

peace

[bud luv]

girls are A-10 on the left, Blueberry on the right

[bud luv]

indoor sun

[latewood]

how did you make the front on yours? I'm considering making two plywood french doors, but I know there's a better solution out there somewhere.I just used the panda plastic and hung it over opening. As far as doors...I would make slots at top and bottom lift door up into slot and slide into bottom slot.

shallow slot on bottom and extra room to get door up into slot allowing for sliding into lower slot...follow me.

I would build door out of 1x2 firring strips and cover with reflective material. very light and removable...you can break the doors down into 2-3-4 pieces if you desire. peace

[bud luv]

Firring Strips? I'm not sure what those are...

Bath Time:

[latewood]

go to hopot and ask the guy in the lumber section to take you to the firring strips...from there you can figure it out...you could use 1" pvc for frame also.

[bud luv]

Any opinions on plant spacing? here's the hood.. :stoned:

[bud luv]

Notes -

I'm just using the 2x2 starter cubes and hydroton as a medium. The pots dry out REALLY fast. I think I'm either going to have to get a new timer that has more on/offs, or repot in a more absorbant medium. :(

[bud luv]

Pic update.

Nothing too interesting, but here's some DAY 3 pics. I feel so impatient!

..........last pic: how the hell do you hold down an airstone?

[dusto2k3]

DaBoyWeb. Nice setup. It resembles mine exactly, almost. I run a 1K HPS in my HYdro Hut as well. I have no problem cooling, i use a 6" vortex for that. The light raises the temp in the hut about 4.5 degrees. For veg i use a combo of flouros in there, no heat change.

[kindprincess]

in response to your topping question, if you top at 5 nodes, wait a week, then flower, it should work perfect for you.

love, kp:p

[bud luv]

Hey KP thanks for your help with topping.

Attached is a pic of my biggest girl. As you can see, she is on her 7th-8th node. The growth in the last 36 hours has been vigorous, adding 2 nodes in that time period. The rest of my blueberries are on their 5th-7th node.

I'm very inexperienced with topping, and I'm scared to cut these babies at a time when they're growing so well :confused:. Also, these plants are packed in there, with more than a plant per square foot. So while I see lots of pics of very nice topped plants all over this board, they're usually big monster plants, not SOG-style. Also, I would be able to flower this girls in the next few days if I didn't top - would topping and waiting another week help my G/W/M ratio?

So basically I'm fishing for more advice and direction from you and all the other knowledgable peeps out there! Help!

BUD LUV :pimp:

[latewood]

that is a matter for discussion. You have a few days to decide. So that allows you to get input from a few experienced SOG'rs before you start decapitating.

There are different ways to go here...and the Pros/Cons of each:

1. Not topping. This is easy;
Pros: No stress, More breathing room, due to taller plants. Big Fat kolas

Cons: Potential loss of light penetration, (You lose 1/2 of your lamps strength in lumens for every foot.
If you have growbox height issues, then you may have to manipulate your plants by tying them off here and there.

2. Topping. Same old story...
Pros: Lower profile for better light penetration, more budsites

Cons: Stress.
Could have environmental issues (air circulation) to due lack of seperation/space underneath canopy. A porblem in dealing with and providing a haven for pests; Should they find their way into your medium.

Now this answer is squewed towards your current question/situation. I addressed this reflecting your mention of an over-planting issue and most likely small concerns either way...well except for the pests. lol later.

Next!

[bud luv]

choices, choices...

so latewood, which would YOU do?

[xcrispi]

hey bud ,
another answer to your q's at the koolbloom q's too .
peace
your cuz
crispi

[latewood]

would you take a pik of the whole set-up with pots evenly spaced as they would be if you flowered now...Let's have a look at the space...later, gotta get to the farm. peace

[bud luv]

would you take a pik of the whole set-up with pots evenly spaced as they would be if you flowered now...Let's have a look at the space...later, gotta get to the farm. peace

For a size reference point - They're in 1 gallon pots. The blueberries (on the right) are growing quickly. The A-10s (on the left) have been showing pistils for about 2 days, even though they're tiny--too small to make a clone out of, even.

It's not too late to change the plant placement, but It seems like this is about the widest it can be for them all to get good light.

[bud luv]

:pimp: let's see what 10 days brings in my setup. These pics are about 4 days old as of 1-22... It's beauty rest time for the ladies so I can't go in there for new pics now.

I was tempted out of my better judgement and went with two diff strains under one light, and it's biting me in the ass. The blueberries are at least twice as tall as the A-10s so I have lite-spacing issues.

They've been in 12/12 for about a week, i think. The A-10s have doubled up pistils but the bb's don't.

your boy,
BUD LUV

[bud luv]

Update coming at "daybreak" in a few hours. It's bud city over here.

[GaGrown]

Listen to Latewood! He threw 3 cent in tha Wishing Well.

Ga Grown!

[bud luv]

so here's where it's at.
about day 35 from clone. about day 25 of 12/12.

[bud luv]

The Blueberries are no less than 4 times as tall as the A-10s. It was the worst possible pairing of genetics under the same light, but the A-10s [I]are[I] developing some nice nugs, so we'll see.

The last pic is from a month ago.

[bud luv]

oops, not that last pic. this one:

..just for comparison purposes.

[bud luv]

so a crappy thing happened two days ago: there was a power outtage in the middle of the night and the light cycle got thrown off by about 8 hours. Lights used to go on at 10pm, now they go on at 2 pm. It was good before, because the heat from the light would warm up the room during the nightime, and it wouldnt get too cold during lights off because it was during the actual daytime. Now it's 'lights off' at 2am, the temp in the room drops down to 60, and during 'lights on' in the daytime temps go as high as 95. I used to have a tem range of 68-80, now I have 60-95. There is a slight leaf curl on a few leaves because of this. It's not widespread though.

I need advice on whether or not I should shock the plants with higher temps or shock the plants by changing the light cycle again. In case you missed it in my rambling sentences above, this happened two days ago. Anybody have an opinion on this?

BUD LUV

[bud luv]

yeah...

[mafia819]

Hey man whats up!

how do you vent that massive amount of heat out of the cabinet? You are using a 1000w hps right?

Thanks and Happy Growing :S5:

[bud luv]

Hey man whats up!

how do you vent that massive amount of heat out of the cabinet? You are using a 1000w hps right?

Thanks and Happy Growing :S5:


mind over matter. I don't vent.

[mafia819]

mmkay lol... :cool: plz explain how you manage to keep your cabinet cool when lights are on.

Thanks!

[bud luv]

one of the sides is partially open and there are lots of fart fans in the room. The window is partially open but lightproof.

[mafia819]

aye gotcha!

Thanks man!

Keep up the good growth :S5:

[bud luv]

aye gotcha!

Thanks man!

Keep up the good growth :S5:



Thanks for stopping by!

[bud luv]

as the bb continues to grow and grow and grow, i have to tie down branches and stalks. Some of the tops of the plant are getting a little burnt from touching the sides of the hood, but there's not much I can do. The BB doesn't produce big colas, so at least only a few nugs are getting burned. Of course the closer the nugs are to the light's sweet spot, the icier they are. The A-10s are way too far from the light, but again, there's not much I can do about it.

[bud luv]

more pics never hurt nobody...


That last one is taken by putting the camera under the light and shooting the plants that are leaning against the hood. Too hot in there, but not much I can do right now. I can pull them tops away with strings attached to the box, but it chokes out other plants more.

The fourth pic is of a top that I pulled horizontally right under the light. The blueberries naturally have a bunch of tops on each plant. That's easily my biggest bud in there.

[bud luv]

more pics...

I wasn't planning on having the blueberry grow a foot per week for the first 5 weeks. :upsidedow

[bud luv]

close ups:







sexy?

[stinkyattic]

Hey BudLuv
I'd say it's better to shock the plants with light cycle.... extend the DARK cycle, not the daytime. It will be less of a shock.
Temps will play havoc with your eventual yield.
You said on the other thread you've got a problem... I see heat burn from the light hotspots on a few leaves. And the telltale curl/canoeing of heat stress.Another reason to control your temps. Other than that, what should I be looking at?

[bud luv]

Thanks stinky.

Yeah, in the "plant problems" forum I was referring to the whole light cylce/heat dilemma. I tried to link it directly to the post in the log where I brought it up, hope it worked.

So lights are on now (they actually turn on about 1pm), so I should let them turn off after 12 hours and then not have them turn on till 9pm tomorrow? 20 hour dark period is my best option?

I think there may have been 2 power outtages actually. So this would be the third time change in the last 4 days. I just want to clarify everything before I go and do it... thanx.



.....on a side note... WOW the buds are so much noticably fatter than they were last night. I upped the nutes last night and they really responded.

[mafia819]

hey dude just passing by and my memory reminded me something i should tell ya if you haven't heard about it yet.. there's a product out there its called SUPERBUD it's expensive but it stops vertical growth and growth at each internode in the flowering stage.. this is how the pros acheive to have only one fat colas per plant like in a dream SOG and thus saving alot of space and putting more plants to acheive such huge yields..

BTW Good grow so far!

l8r :cool:

[mafia819]

Hey BudLuv
I'd say it's better to shock the plants with light cycle.... extend the DARK cycle, not the daytime. It will be less of a shock.
Temps will play havoc with your eventual yield.
You said on the other thread you've got a problem... I see heat burn from the light hotspots on a few leaves. And the telltale curl/canoeing of heat stress.Another reason to control your temps. Other than that, what should I be looking at?

i think if you manage to do that your going to extend flowering period somehow and those buds will seem to take forever to finish.. From what i heard your probably gonna loose some precious and critical days of flowering thus lowering the yield... to be very sure of it i'd ask GK(GardenKnowm) if i were you. :)

l8r :cool:

[bud luv]

i'm sure ms. stinky knows what she's talking about, but all advice and comments are welcome.

[xcrispi]

hey bud ,
i agree w/ stinky too man . lil xtra darks prob. better than extended periods of light . plnts -r- crazy light sensitive .
if u catch this n r still on jump in chat .
holler later
crispi

[stinkyattic]

i think if you manage to do that your going to extend flowering period somehow
I would guess by a few hours... :D

Better to extend it than to lose your crop to heat stress. That's a surefire way to get both herms and small crap buds.

[bud luv]

i am currently in the extended dark period.

no hermies, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[bud luv]

yeah I didn't understand the "extending flowering time" argument, :hippy:

[mafia819]

Better to extend it than to lose your crop to heat stress. That's a surefire way to get both herms and small crap buds.

That's a sure thing! Can't argue on that ;)

l8r :cool:

[mafia819]

sure thing is you are probably gonna longer the flowering process by several days depending how long your dark period is ;)

l8r man :cool:

[Kindbud]

I love the setup man!The plants are lookin great to!but , you gotta LST those things though man, they're not gonna stop growing vertically, I just bent my kc36 45 degrees from being vertical, on the 21st day of flower. When you tie ,be sure it is atleast 6 hours after the lights have been on and atleast 12 hours after they've been watered. Good luck man , keep us posted !

[bud luv]

yeah they are all "kind of" LST'd right now, it makes a bowl-shaped canopy. I may have to try to get them down more, but the stalks aren't very pliable at this point. This BB strain is high maintenance but it's definitely high grade n it does grow fast, looks to be a much better yielder than the A-10 which is also lower grade.

[bud luv]

So heat problems and power outtages (irregular photoperiods) have caused stress around here, and I've got some shitty looking buds to show you. I think it's mostly due to heat stress, as when I got the dehumidifier a week ago it literally raise the temp in there by about 10 degrees. I thought the temp change was from the lights being on the day (power outtage), but I changed that and it's still hot as hell in there. The buds like this are all only at the tops of the plants, which is a big indicator that heat is the culprit.

I really really really really hope these things aren't turning hermie. BB is a tall bitch and she's causing me drama.

Please, I'd like to hear your suggestions on this. I'm getting an A/C soon, but raising the light anymore is next to impossible and I tried to do some LST'ing, but I ended up breaking some stalks. Ouch. Tilting is not an option because they're stuck in cocomat. :( I guess a cooltube/inline fan is in order but i'm stretched pretty thin financially at the moment. I was really hoping I could get one grow out before I upgraded to a cooltube. I don't have the glass shield in the hood right now, btw.

[bud luv]

these weren't quite ready, but what the hell...

peace,
budluv

[bud luv]

hey friends.

Everything was harvested almost 2 wks ago. It worked out ok considering my temps were as high as 95 degrees in the last couple weeks. an A/C unit is next on the to-do list. Oh, and the A-10 was a complete disaster - a week strain that only grew about a foot high and was low potency.

Final Specs:

1000w

1 week veg, 9 weeks flower - total 10 wks

10 BB plants - 14.5 ounces of high grade

10 A-10 plants - 14 grams (not a misprint) of low grade poop weed:( :( :( :(


Thanks to everyone that helped me out along the way - I'll be smoking one for all of you. :jointsmile:

Peace,
Budluv

[MULLETMAN]

Bud Luv whats up dude. When I satrted looking at this thread and saw an air coolable hood with a 1000 watt bulb in it I thought wonder how temps are. Well obviously temps were an issue especially when the BB went nuts in there. Have you thought insted of an AC, even though with summer rapidly approaching is probably your bes bet, just getting a 6 in can fan, or vortex to cool that light with. I'm only using a 400 in a closet and the 150 cfm fan cools it pretty good. Also have carbon filter and 100 cfm fan that extracts stinky/hot air from top of room. Just curious thats all.

[bud luv]

hey Mulletman.

I have an A/C to put in there and I'm looking for a used vortex right now.