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Torog

12-29-2006, 11:58 AM

Howdy Garden Knowm,

Have you ever worked at a job,where zero-error is required ?

Do you even know what that means ?

When I was roughnecking on a drilling rig,we were expected to live up to the zero-error doctrine,because if we didn't,it could mean the loss of life or limb,not only to ourselves,but to our fellow roughnecks.

The same doctrine,holds true for our soldiers and their commanders..and the CnC,as well..especially when one terrorist,can detonate a suitcase nuke,and destroy an American city. The fact that America has not been attacked again,means that the zero-error doctrine is functioning. Like President Bush said " We have to git it right-100% of the time.." As a seaman in the Navy,I was expected to operate on a zero-error basis as well. Because if I didn't,my fellow sailors could have been seriously injured or killed.

JFK had it right,when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you-ask what can you do for your country.." However,with the advent of modern liberalism,that has been turned bass-ackwards,as millions of liberals,awake each day..and wonder what they can git out of their country,with the least amount of effort.

Have a good one ...

Garden Knowm

12-30-2006, 06:55 AM

Howdy Garden Knowm,

1.Have you ever worked at a job,where zero-error is required ?

2.Do you even know what that means ?

3.When I was roughnecking on a drilling rig,we were expected to live up to the zero-error doctrine,because if we didn't,it could mean the loss of life or limb,not only to ourselves,but to our fellow roughnecks.

The same doctrine,holds true for our soldiers and their commanders..and the CnC,as well..especially when one terrorist,can detonate a suitcase nuke,and destroy an American city. The fact that America has not been attacked again,means that the zero-error doctrine is functioning. Like President Bush said " We have to git it right-100% of the time.." As a seaman in the Navy,I was expected to operate on a zero-error basis as well. Because if I didn't,my fellow sailors could have been seriously injured or killed.

JFK had it right,when he said "Ask not what your country can do for you-ask what can you do for your country.." However,with the advent of modern liberalism,that has been turned bass-ackwards,as millions of liberals,awake each day..and wonder what they can git out of their country,with the least amount of effort.

Have a good one ...

1. I have never worked a job.. i live....
2. I guess not.. I don't even know if I understand the question.. let alone what it means..

I apologize for not understanding, but I am eager to learn...

If I do understand, I would explain it like this.. I know that it is vital that I watch every breath... that I am conscious of LOVE,GOD,LIFE (all the same) 24 hours a day.. and yet I fall short of this task..

Have you ever been aware of yourself and every bvreath you take 24 hours a day for 10 days straight... lol.... iloveyou

There really is no room for error.... it's all LOVE or nothing..

iloveyou

3. OK

Kyrandian

12-30-2006, 01:00 PM

However,with the advent of modern liberalism,that has been turned bass-ackwards,as millions of liberals,awake each day..and wonder what they can git out of their country,with the least amount of effort.

Hmm.. interesting theory. Too bad its complete crap.

Republican War Cheerleaders and Cowards:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage...only shoots stunted
small birds with a shotgun so he wont miss.....
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, AWOL no penalty imposed. He was able to play dress up under the safety of lights and cameras while someone else flew the plane.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for 8 years.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.
* Ronald Reagan: he went to war in the movies
Pundits &Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')("He has a cyst
that prevents his ass from closing properly, thus passing wind continuously)
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. Lousy musician, no much better shooting innocent critters.
* John Wayne: wind bag macho man: did not serve. Admired by inadequate idiots who confuse bravado with bravery.

But of course, being a bush republican means never having to own up to anything.

Kyrandian

12-30-2006, 01:12 PM

Torog

12-30-2006, 01:41 PM

Torog-- based on your avatar you're a ZZ top reject Jesus freak.. im guessing with that job your IQ is under 100, and im guessing you've been married 4-7 times.

But i gotta ask-- do you even believe your own hype? Like, there is no debate over whether or not george w is the worst president we've ever had. Never before has someone gutted education and science so much, started an illegal war, given TWO tax breaks to the rich during the war, shredded the constitution in the name of preserving the constitution and "freedom", george W is responsible for the deaths of at LEAST 500k Iraqi civilians. We convicted and executed saddam hussein for killing 127 people. Do you really think throwing around 'liberal' as an insult has ANY meaning to people? Maybe you should take some money out of your change cup and invest in a dictionary instead of blindly buying into whatever Karl Rove talking points you find on Fox news?

Just a suggestion.

Howdy Kyrandian,

Well..well..seems yer another one of them there snobby,elitist liberals,that always see's the glass as half-empty..lol. Working in the oil field,requires alot of training and expertise,probably beyond yer iq..and certainly much too labor intensive,for a whiney avoid-hard-work at all costs,elitist liberal,such as yer self. I've only been married once,I have a wonderful,26 year old daughter and I've been disabled for over 15 years now,because I finally wore out my back,from working hard to support my family. I'm also a Navy veteran,with 2 years of college,mostly in electronics.

I don't spew hype,I state my beliefs and convictions..and stand behind them..you see..unlike you-I stand for something,instead of swimming around in a sea of gray moral relativism. Unlike you,I will hold the enemies of freedom,accountable for their actions and will defeat them. I will not make excuses for evil to thrive and I will not sleep soundly,till everyone is free and at least as blessed as I am.

I don't "blindly follow" any man or his talking points..but I do follow God and His Son,Jesus Christ..without question.

So go ahead..call me a hick if ya want..it's just what I expect from shallow,elitist liberal snobs,such as yer self. :D

Have a good one ...

Kyrandian

12-30-2006, 01:54 PM

Torog

12-30-2006, 01:59 PM

1. I have never worked a job.. i live....
2. I guess not.. I don't even know if I understand the question.. let alone what it means..

I apologize for not understanding, but I am eager to learn...

If I do understand, I would explain it like this.. I know that it is vital that I watch every breath... that I am conscious of LOVE,GOD,LIFE (all the same) 24 hours a day.. and yet I fall short of this task..

Have you ever been aware of yourself and every bvreath you take 24 hours a day for 10 days straight... lol.... iloveyou

There really is no room for error.... it's all LOVE or nothing..

iloveyou

3. OK

Howdy Garden Knowm,

You really should try and see how rewarding hard work is,it'll set ya straight..lol.

I'm glad that yer willing to learn and that ya love yer fellow Man..that's a good place to be. :)

I'm always keenly aware of the consequences of my decisions and actions,and aware that what we leave behind,after God calls us Home,that we leave the consequences of our actions and choices,with the living.

As a Christian,I love you too..but that ain't gonna keep me from being dissappointed over some of yer decisions,if I didn't care..I wouldn't bother.

I hope and pray,that you find some rock to build yer House on..you'll be even happier,if ya do. :)

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

Torog

12-30-2006, 02:19 PM

I'd love if you could point out the part where i swam around in my moral grey area sea.

Isnt it better to have nuance than to believe in moral absolutes? I mean, if you're talking about morals, where's the morality in the war in Iraq? no ones arguing whether or not saddam was a bad guy, but do the costs really justify the means?

Funny how anytime a dumb hick gets called on it, he automatically lashes out with the liberal elite 'insult'. Guess who the world respects? The coastal united states. Guess who the world laughs at? southerners and midwesterners.

No comment on my laundry list of republican cowards and war cheerleaders, huh?

Shocked..

Howdy Kyrandian,

The part where ya swim around in,is when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem.

I'll take moral absolutes over nuance,every single time.

By liberating Iraqi's from saddam and sons,brutal reign,satisfies the morality of doing such,same goes for Afghani's,suffering under the brutal reign of the taliban. Freedom ain't free..and is in fact-priceless.

As for who the world laughs at,I think that it's yer side,from where I stand..at us folks in fly-over country,don't make excuses and apologies,for those who attacked America on 9/11/01. I was born American..but I'm Southern,by the Grace of God.

As for yer laundry list,I hope it keeps ya warm at night..because I dang sure ain't gonna waste my time on why folks chose to do what they did,if they're wrong-God will judge them..all I want-is for every brutal dictator to be vanquished..be it in Iraq,Afghanistan,North Korea,China or Russia or Africa or Indonesia.

Have a good one ...

MacWQ33

12-30-2006, 03:29 PM

LOL I love catching that segment on Letterman....he's such a fucking idiot.

To the Americans....please remind me once again why we voted him in not once, but twice?!?....What is wrong with us.....we're fucking idiots too.

Clinton for re-election!!!! LOL.

RedLocks

12-30-2006, 07:25 PM

hmm

Psycho4Bud

12-30-2006, 07:34 PM

Seems like a good time for the move.......this has outlived its "lounge life".

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Kyrandian

12-31-2006, 12:16 AM

Howdy Kyrandian,

The part where ya swim around in,is when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem.

I'll take moral absolutes over nuance,every single time.

By liberating Iraqi's from saddam and sons,brutal reign,satisfies the morality of doing such,same goes for Afghani's,suffering under the brutal reign of the taliban. Freedom ain't free..and is in fact-priceless.

As for who the world laughs at,I think that it's yer side,from where I stand..at us folks in fly-over country,don't make excuses and apologies,for those who attacked America on 9/11/01. I was born American..but I'm Southern,by the Grace of God.

As for yer laundry list,I hope it keeps ya warm at night..because I dang sure ain't gonna waste my time on why folks chose to do what they did,if they're wrong-God will judge them..all I want-is for every brutal dictator to be vanquished..be it in Iraq,Afghanistan,North Korea,China or Russia or Africa or Indonesia.

Have a good one ...

I dont know why i expected more than recycled talking points and propaganda, but i hoped against hope.

Since you're in favor of ousting all dictators, I'm surprised you arent appalled at how bogged down we are in Iraq (a nation without WMD) while we more or less ignore Iran and North Korea, significantly more dangerous regimes WITH weapons of mass destruction. You know, it takes a big man to admit when his side is wrong, I absolutely loathe john kerry, and think he's an embarassment. However, the man served his country. Which of Georgie W's policies have you criticized?

You call me "elite", but isnt using your religion as a weapon and automatically taking the moral high ground because you believe in an invisible man in the sky just another kind of elitism?

If i'm 'elite' (l337), i'll take elitism based on facts, and careful consideration, not a book of fairy tales written thousands of years ago.

Isnt one of the tenets of christianity to "turn the other cheek"? Didnt jesus himself say that was the mark of a good person? Your war-happy attitude belies your self-proclaimed christianity. I guess you're more of a cafeteria christian, ignoring any tenets of the religion that affect your lifestyle, but still take all the pompousness that comes along with your religion.

Would jesus approve of the war in iraq? Or of george W bush's internationally-decried human rights abuses?

I seriously doubt it.

Garden Knowm

12-31-2006, 03:28 AM

Howdy Garden Knowm,

1. You really should try and see how rewarding hard work is,it'll set ya straight..lol.

2.I'm glad that yer willing to learn and that ya love yer fellow Man..that's a good place to be. :)

3.I'm always keenly aware of the consequences of my decisions and actions,and aware that what we leave behind,after God calls us Home,that we leave the consequences of our actions and choices,with the living.

As a Christian,I love you too..but that ain't gonna keep me from being dissappointed over some of yer decisions,if I didn't care..I wouldn't bother.

I hope and pray,that you find some rock to build yer House on..you'll be even happier,if ya do. :)

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

1. WORK.. it seems we may need to define that word...
My life is my practice.. practice.. practicing to be LOVING.... that has forunatley.. been an amazing experience that has allowed me to create a BODY that is freaking KAK DIESEL.. a freaky specimen of sorts.... and goose bumps and giggles of rewards.... weather I am picking up dog poop, climbing a tree to get down a frissbee, bathing an old man, being a nanny, digging holes, or recieveing an award from Salma Hayek for best film... it is always LOVE... always practice... I have heard the word WORK.. my whole life... yet I have never experienced WORK...

2. thank you

3. great... that is fantastic... How does ONE know (be aware) what effect THEIR actions will have?

You are LOVE

Garden Knowm

12-31-2006, 03:29 AM

Seems like a good time for the move.......this has outlived its "lounge life".

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

ONE could have just taken a deep breath

iloveyou

Psycho4Bud

12-31-2006, 03:31 AM

I did up until Redlocks post..........sorry!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Torog

12-31-2006, 02:10 PM

I dont know why i expected more than recycled talking points and propaganda, but i hoped against hope.

Since you're in favor of ousting all dictators, I'm surprised you arent appalled at how bogged down we are in Iraq (a nation without WMD) while we more or less ignore Iran and North Korea, significantly more dangerous regimes WITH weapons of mass destruction. You know, it takes a big man to admit when his side is wrong, I absolutely loathe john kerry, and think he's an embarassment. However, the man served his country. Which of Georgie W's policies have you criticized?

You call me "elite", but isnt using your religion as a weapon and automatically taking the moral high ground because you believe in an invisible man in the sky just another kind of elitism?

If i'm 'elite' (l337), i'll take elitism based on facts, and careful consideration, not a book of fairy tales written thousands of years ago.

Isnt one of the tenets of christianity to "turn the other cheek"? Didnt jesus himself say that was the mark of a good person? Your war-happy attitude belies your self-proclaimed christianity. I guess you're more of a cafeteria christian, ignoring any tenets of the religion that affect your lifestyle, but still take all the pompousness that comes along with your religion.

Would jesus approve of the war in iraq? Or of george W bush's internationally-decried human rights abuses?

I seriously doubt it.

Howdy Kyrandian,

I've heard all of yer talking points too..99.9 % of em,are about making excuses for evildoers and why we must surrender to them.

Maybe you can explain to me,why it's best for some folks to languish under brutal tyranny..yet not so,for others ?

My chief gripe with President Bush,is the border issue and illegal immigrants.

First,ya say the Bible,is just a collection of fairy tales,written thousands of years ago,then ya turn around and chastise me,for not being a pacifist..what kind of sense,does that make ?

It's not up to me,to say what God or Jesus,will do in any given situation..all I can do,is to follow what God and Jesus,expect of us,as written in the Bible. The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

Kyrandian

12-31-2006, 02:26 PM

Howdy Kyrandian,

I've heard all of yer talking points too..99.9 % of em,are about making excuses for evildoers and why we must surrender to them.

Maybe you can explain to me,why it's best for some folks to languish under brutal tyranny..yet not so,for others ?

My chief gripe with President Bush,is the border issue and illegal immigrants.

First,ya say the Bible,is just a collection of fairy tales,written thousands of years ago,then ya turn around and chastise me,for not being a pacifist..what kind of sense,does that make ?

It's not up to me,to say what God or Jesus,will do in any given situation..all I can do,is to follow what God and Jesus,expect of us,as written in the Bible. The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

Well, actually-- I did say that since we're in Iraq, we are incapable of dealing with iran and north korea-- 2 significantly more dangerous countries. There's a lot of bad people in the world torog, the united states cant be the police force of the world if they dont want it. Never once did i make excuses for our 'enemies', but your intentional vagueness and heavy reliance on biblical nonsense, including flat out lies about jesus christ, a peaceful man who you claim would slay evil doers, proves that you're a lunatic, and unworthy of further reply.

God is dead, and no one cares
If there is a hell, i'll see you there.

"when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about."

thats sig worthy.

Kyrandian

12-31-2006, 02:37 PM

Furthermore- there's a substantive difference between my FACTUAL presentation of problems caused by our illegal war in iraq, that we are creating more terrorists (the pentagon's words, not mine), That we are unable to deal with the rising crisis in north korea and Iran because the bulk of our forces are occupied in Iraq, a war that has made the united states no safer. If you havent heard of it, the Baker report made perfectly clear the situation in iraq is "Grave and deteriorating".

"Talking points" are statements based on absolutely nothing, usually echoed by rush limbaugh, bill o'reilly, or sean hannity and their type, things like "when ya say that America is worse than the arab-muslim jihadists..by granting them moral equivalancey and not holding them accountable for any death or mayhem."

I never said that. Ever. What you did is distort the truth, and make ignorant claims based on your poorly-conceived concept of my opinion on the war on terror. A lie is a lie is a lie.

Using opinions as facts, and blind faith are the refuge of a coward.

Torog

12-31-2006, 02:43 PM

Well, actually-- I did say that since we're in Iraq, we are incapable of dealing with iran and north korea-- 2 significantly more dangerous countries. There's a lot of bad people in the world torog, the united states cant be the police force of the world if they dont want it. Never once did i make excuses for our 'enemies', but your intentional vagueness and heavy reliance on biblical nonsense, including flat out lies about jesus christ, a peaceful man who you claim would slay evil doers, proves that you're a lunatic, and unworthy of further reply.

God is dead, and no one cares
If there is a hell, i'll see you there.

"when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about."

thats sig worthy.

Howdy Kryandian,

If ya don't believe that freedom is for everyone,then yer making excuses for tyranny to exist and thrive.

We can fight Iran and NK,if need be,with a draft to supplement our forces,with conventional and un-conventional weapons.

How would you know,that I'm making flat-out lies about Jesus,if ya don't read the collection of fairy tales that you despise so much ?

You declare that God is dead..God ain't dead..it's yer heart..that has died..along with yer soul..but it ain't too late to change that. :)

Have a good one ...

GrowRebel

12-31-2006, 04:10 PM

The Book of Revelations,tells us that when Jesus returns,that He will not be turning the other cheek,He will be slaying the evildoers who continue to harm the innocent..because doing such,is the only way that peace can finally come about.

Have a good one ...

Howdy Torog ...... how's you? .... did you see me? I waved! :D

Torog you sound like Juda ... he wanted Jesus to slay the evildoers, but he refused .... he kept spouting this liberal surrender monkey garbage about loving them instead ... so Juda turned against him ... even though he was butalize and had the power to fight back .... he didn't he have an unkind word against them .... what a freaking liberal eh? .... if Jesus were to return he would speak of love and how we are all one and that we are not separate from All That Is or God as you like to call her.
He Knows that killing is not the way because he would be killing a part of himself and All That Is.

Garden has it right .... it's about Love .... killing has never been the way .... and we will never find peace through war.
Consciousness (thoughts, feeling and emotions) creates form .... quatum physics proofs this ... if you believe in war .... war is what you will have .... I willing to bet in Garden's world there is a great deal of love seen ....

.... and correct me if I'm wrong Garden about the work thing .... it's about the joy of doing .... not work .... right? .....

Torog .... try visualizing peace and love towards your fellow man .... what do you have to lose?

If Jesus were to return the same thing would happen he would speak of loving your enemy as you would love yourself .... that would piss you off .... you'd say he was a "false" God and have him put to death ..... again. :noel:

.... also why is it so terrible to talk in the political forum oppose to the lounge? What's the difference other that a mouse click?:confused:

Happy Holidays! :clap: :rastabong: :areindeer:

Hamlet

12-31-2006, 07:37 PM

GrowRebel has a point there Torog. If you're gonna talk the talk, ya gotta walk the walk. ...or do you just believe the parts you want to believe?

Kyrandian

12-31-2006, 07:44 PM

Ive been arguing that with him for 2 days, no ones defended me.

Hamlet

12-31-2006, 09:00 PM

Ive been arguing that with him for 2 days, no ones defended me.

If you have strong arguments, no one needs to defend you...they speak for themselves. Besides Torog is so set in his conclusions that ten angels swearin' you were right wouldn't make him consider anything else for a second.

Garden Knowm

01-01-2007, 02:24 AM

.... also why is it so terrible to talk in the political forum oppose to the lounge? What's the difference other that a mouse click?:confused:

Happy Holidays! :clap: :rastabong: :areindeer:

hello mr rebel..

ya see... the leaders (mods) of the forum have a direct impact on HOW HIGH we can get..

this thread is an important subject that facilitates greater awareness.. not all subjects have that EXPLICIT ability... so WHY not leave it in the lounge where more people CHILL!! why not give everybody a chance... alot of people don't go to the politics forum...

Ya see, every post in the lounge can actually be moved and put into another FORUM...

if I were a conspiracy theororist I would sat that this site is set up by the man to keep us down.. THE MAN knows that every topic HAS a more appropriate place than the lounge.. this lets THEM control us and our posts...

of course this is a total JOKE and I don't think the site was set up with that intention..

IF I were president I would keep this in the lounge... People like TOROG who are incredibly articulate and smart do ot just speak on ANY topic.

This topic is worthy and I demand it be moved back to the lounge..

LOL

iloveyou

trust the people and they will do as they are suppose to
the best leader is one who is not seen

Psycho4Bud

01-01-2007, 08:48 AM

hello mr rebel..

ya see... the leaders (mods) of the forum have a direct impact on HOW HIGH we can get..

O.K..........

this thread is an important subject that facilitates greater awareness.. not all subjects have that EXPLICIT ability... so WHY not leave it in the lounge where more people CHILL!! why not give everybody a chance... alot of people don't go to the politics forum...

They could follow the redirect...true?

Ya see, every post in the lounge can actually be moved and put into another FORUM...

We do our best to put subject matter in the correct forums/sub-forums. There is currently over 40 forums and over 70 sub-forums. EVERY POST?? Really....

if I were a conspiracy theororist I would sat that this site is set up by the man to keep us down.. THE MAN knows that every topic HAS a more appropriate place than the lounge.. this lets THEM control us and our posts...

of course this is a total JOKE and I don't think the site was set up with that intention..
:confused:

I really don't see how a web site can control you but your posts and threads....yes. This is their site. I think that when they set it up with over 110 forums and sub-forums their making a statement on thread organization based on interests. Since members request new forums/sub-forums.....I believe that they are looking for the same.

IF I were president I would keep this in the lounge... People like TOROG who are incredibly articulate and smart do ot just speak on ANY topic.

This topic is worthy and I demand it be moved back to the lounge..

LOL

iloveyou

trust the people and they will do as they are suppose to
the best leader is one who is not seen

This is a WORTHY POLITICAL topic. No question about that. If you don't feel that this is a political thread I'd love to hear why.

Demands........isn't that part of the problem today? People, countries, groups all making demands in which the results are seldom good? Where's the LOVE.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Torog

01-01-2007, 02:53 PM

Howdy Torog ...... how's you? .... did you see me? I waved! :D

Torog you sound like Juda ... he wanted Jesus to slay the evildoers, but he refused .... he kept spouting this liberal surrender monkey garbage about loving them instead ... so Juda turned against him ... even though he was butalize and had the power to fight back .... he didn't he have an unkind word against them .... what a freaking liberal eh? .... if Jesus were to return he would speak of love and how we are all one and that we are not separate from All That Is or God as you like to call her.
He Knows that killing is not the way because he would be killing a part of himself and All That Is.

Garden has it right .... it's about Love .... killing has never been the way .... and we will never find peace through war.
Consciousness (thoughts, feeling and emotions) creates form .... quatum physics proofs this ... if you believe in war .... war is what you will have .... I willing to bet in Garden's world there is a great deal of love seen ....

.... and correct me if I'm wrong Garden about the work thing .... it's about the joy of doing .... not work .... right? .....

Torog .... try visualizing peace and love towards your fellow man .... what do you have to lose?

If Jesus were to return the same thing would happen he would speak of loving your enemy as you would love yourself .... that would piss you off .... you'd say he was a "false" God and have him put to death ..... again. :noel:

.... also why is it so terrible to talk in the political forum oppose to the lounge? What's the difference other that a mouse click?:confused:

Happy Holidays! :clap: :rastabong: :areindeer:

Howdy GrowRebel,

I do understand where yer coming from..as a Christian,I should always choose to do what Jesus expects of us..He does want us to love our enemies as we would love ourselves..which is what I would rather do,I would rather trust in God and Jesus,than in bullets and bombs.

The part where I start gitting in trouble with,is that such a path allows those who choose to brutally tyrannize others..free reign to destroy all good on earth,as we know it. Rather than Good triumphing over Evil..we will be overcome with Evil..if we don't draw a line and stand against it.

When Jesus returns,and there are breaking news reports about it,I will abandon all talk of war and leave everything,in His Hand's.

However,I'm only human..and I can't bear to feed my family and my country and the Free World,to the wolves.

Is the solution,to abandon civilization and allow the wolves to have a feeding frenzy ?

Believe it or not-I do pray for God and Jesus,to end all the suffering and death..and bring peace to the world. :)

Have a Happy New year !

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

GrowRebel

01-01-2007, 06:49 PM

Wow .... this banning thing has me very confused ... I don't understand what the offense was .... and it not just at this board it's like that on Randi Rhodes fourm as well .... I'm missing something .... that's for sure.:confused:

Howdy GrowRebel,

I do understand where yer coming from..as a Christian,I should always choose to do what Jesus expects of us..He does want us to love our enemies as we would love ourselves..which is what I would rather do,I would rather trust in God and Jesus,than in bullets and bombs.
Why not do that then?

The part where I start gitting in trouble with,is that such a path allows those who choose to brutally tyrannize others..free reign to destroy all good on earth,as we know it. Rather than Good triumphing over Evil..we will be overcome with Evil..if we don't draw a line and stand against it.

Yes, but you seem to believe in war rather than peace ... so you continue to visualize the brutally and tyranny .... believing it will "destroy all good on earth" yet you have have no real proof that it will happen .... true there is unrest on parts of the earth, but that is base on a limiting belief that war is necessary.
You are right about standing against "evil", but it can be done without violence .... Jesus, Gandhi, King amoung other proved this .... why won't you believe it?

When Jesus returns,and there are breaking news reports about it,I will abandon all talk of war and leave everything,in His Hand's.

.... and what if I were to tell you that Jesus is here now .... within us all .... what would you say?

However,I'm only human..and I can't bear to feed my family and my country and the Free World,to the wolves.

Is the solution,to abandon civilization and allow the wolves to have a feeding frenzy ?

No .... the solution is to believe in peace and let go of the limiting belief that freedom and peace can only be found through war and killing. It's a contradiction in terms.

Believe it or not-I do pray for God and Jesus,to end all the suffering and death..and bring peace to the world. :)

Have a Happy New year !

Have a good one ! :jointsmile:

Now that sounds like a plan Torog .... keep that up no matter what!

Torog! We have got to get them to put in these cool emoticons at the other board .... especially this waving guy :noel: .... the ones here are way too cool!:stoned:

You have a good one to my friend .... Happy New Year everybody!:rastasmoke:
:noel:

Bong30

01-01-2007, 10:20 PM

Peace is a dream..... death is reality.

sorry to break it to you guys.........

GrowRebel

01-02-2007, 01:01 AM

.... says you ..... everyone doesn't perceive reality as you do .... sorry to break that to you ...

:noel:

psychocat

01-02-2007, 01:41 AM

Firstly religion has no place in politics.
George Bush is what I call a mouthpiece since the decisions are actualy made not by him but as a joint collective decision of the whole goverment.
I have made my views clear on what I think of America trying to make everyone like them (if that isn't elitist thinking I don't know what is) and DICTATING who can do what.
George Bush isn't the problem it's his string pullers, the real puppet masters are the rich and powerful businessmen and the agenda for global financial domination.
Who gave the US the right to tell others how to live?
Americas answer to a problem always seems to be "We got nukes so you gotta do what we say or we'll bomb ya" ,, WTF !!
Killing is killing and the US goverment doesn't seem to care how many have to die for an ideaology that they believe is right but others see differently.
The US gov and it's supporters see nothing wrong in forcing others to think and do as they want them to, isn't that as wrong as you can be ?
Bullying weaker countries to follow your example is arrogant and ignorant.

Garden Knowm

01-02-2007, 06:25 AM

If you don't feel that this is a political thread I'd love to hear why.

Demands........isn't that part of the problem today? People, countries, groups all making demands in which the results are seldom good? Where's the LOVE.:D

Yo Mr. BUD...

ummm.. iloveyou :)

yes any of the posts in the lounge can find a "better home" .. it is really subjective.. the site really has a lot of fantastic forums and choices... and because of this, each post can find an alternate home....

This was more of a joke and a friendly jab at "conspiracy theories" nothing more... nothing directed at this site or the owners or the moderators or the participants... just pure mental jibber jabber -

see dick run.. see dick touch jane.. see jane smile :D

DEMAND... yes, the word "demand" is obsurd... i know the internet does not convey JOKING well and I apologoze for causing further confusion... when I said demand... it was 100% absurd and silly and goofy and it was suppose to come across that way...

i never really demands anything.. 99.9% of the time everything happens perfect in my life.. the other .1% it happens perfect but I am to dense to realize this...

lovelovelovelovelovelovelovelovelove...
iloveyou mr. bud

Mr. Bud and Mr. Knowm shake hands and hug and live happily ever after...

:D :D :D :D :D

Fengzi

01-03-2007, 07:35 PM

Peace is a dream..... death is reality.

sorry to break it to you guys.........

Bong!! You're back!! I was beginnig to wonder what happened to ya.

Anyhow, Bong's got a point. Yes, it would be wonderful if the world was filled with happiness, peace, and love but that just isn't the case. There are bad guys out there that need dealing with from time to time. Although we shouldn't always be the ones doing the dealing, if ya know what I mean. In any case, even if the U.S. is never in another war I seriously doubt the world will ever know true peace, certainly not in our time, or our children's, or even grandchildren's time.

That being said, yeah, George Bush is an idiot who has no concept of diplomacy or a sound foriegn policy. A while back someone commented something like "if he is such an idiot, how come he's been able to keep his party in power for so long?". Uh huh...well, maybe the question should really be "if he wasn't such an idiot, why did his party get such an ass kicking last November?" :D I must admit, I do enjoy my nightly anti-Bush portion of Letterman.

As for Torog, he's a hard core, right wing, Bible thumpin Texan. Do you really expect him to disagree with Dubya? Trying to debate with him is a waste of time. Like trying to tell a psychotic there really isn't bugs crawling all over him. No matter what you say, what constitutes reality in his mind is sufficiently skewed so that logic and true reality can never take hold.

Bong30

01-04-2007, 12:30 AM

Bong!! You're back!! I was beginnig to wonder what happened to ya.

Anyhow, Bong's got a point. Yes, it would be wonderful if the world was filled with happiness, peace, and love but that just isn't the case. There are bad guys out there that need dealing with from time to time. Although we shouldn't always be the ones doing the dealing, if ya know what I mean. In any case, even if the U.S. is never in another war I seriously doubt the world will ever know true peace, certainly not in our time, or our children's, or even grandchildren's time.

That being said, yeah, George Bush is an idiot who has no concept of diplomacy or a sound foriegn policy. A while back someone commented something like "if he is such an idiot, how come he's been able to keep his party in power for so long?". Uh huh...well, maybe the question should really be "if he wasn't such an idiot, why did his party get such an ass kicking last November?" :D I must admit, I do enjoy my nightly anti-Bush portion of Letterman.

As for Torog, he's a hard core, right wing, Bible thumpin Texan. Do you really expect him to disagree with Dubya? Trying to debate with him is a waste of time. Like trying to tell a psychotic there really isn't bugs crawling all over him. No matter what you say, what constitutes reality in his mind is sufficiently skewed so that logic and true reality can never take hold.

Hey Fengzi.... I was chillin with the wife and Kids and keeping my Chi high for christmas.....

Dont need no crazy lib ruining my buzz during christmas with the family...LOL

I figure you guys needed a break from me also......( yes i know "amen to that")

Im kinda opinionated ("dont cha know"? said like lady in Fargo) LOL

IM back...Gs is gone..................I have a tube run in my back yard in 2 feet of standing snow.....all is right in the world............LOL

Fengzi

01-04-2007, 12:36 AM

GS is gone again? Shit, that didn't take long. I took some time off during Xmas too and it seems I missed a lot.

Two feet of snow? Ha, I've got blue skies and 65 degrees. To tell the truth though, I'd take the snow anyday.

Bong30

01-04-2007, 12:42 AM

Ill be your hucleberry................PC

Firstly religion has no place in politics.

IN Iraq and ALL other islamic states...Islam first...everything else second.....so tell them that

George Bush is what I call a mouthpiece since the decisions are actualy made not by him but as a joint collective decision of the whole goverment.

I agree... we elect those guys and they are bound by term limits...Huummmm?

I have made my views clear on what I think of America trying to make everyone like them (if that isn't elitist thinking I don't know what is) and DICTATING who can do what.

With rights come responsabiltys....learn it try it.

George Bush isn't the problem it's his string pullers, the real puppet masters are the rich and powerful businessmen and the agenda for global financial domination.

That is why need need to votes all incumbints out.....some real down to earth Americans......

Who gave the US the right to tell others how to live?

Cause they cant even keep from killing each other....Our modle works the best if you dont believe it.... go some place else...and see what you get.

Americas answer to a problem always seems to be "We got nukes so you gotta do what we say or we'll bomb ya" ,, WTF !!

We are the only one with Nukes...PLEASE you american hate is showing.....

Tell Me about MAD, and how people that dont value there own life, wont value others UNDER MAD.......( we use rational thought they dont)

Killing is killing and the US goverment doesn't seem to care how many have to die for an ideaology that they believe is right but others see differently.

your Amerca hate is showing....you Bad boy

The US gov and it's supporters see nothing wrong in forcing others to think and do as they want them to, isn't that as wrong as you can be ?

We should never force people to do anything.....In Iraq those people Hated to VOTE. THey Hated that shit......

Bullying weaker countries to follow your example is arrogant and ignorant.

IN your eyes its bulling cause you hate america....No you hate Gdub then america...transitive hate....

That was easy

Ill expect you to point out spelling errors and call me some names.......:confused:

Psycho4Bud

01-04-2007, 12:57 AM

GS is gone again? Shit, that didn't take long. I took some time off during Xmas too and it seems I missed a lot.

Wasn't even me this time!:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

psychocat

01-04-2007, 01:13 AM

I would've thought by now that you would've learned that Anti-American is a BS statement http://boards.cannabis.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=1213 plus the results of my poll strongly disagree with you. For the very last time just because I don't think America should be in Iraq or that GW Bush is a warmonger doesn't make me anti-american.

You try that far too often man, I'm suprised you didn't use the good old "liberal" BS line.

I am anti or against any American president that thinks he has jurisdiction over anything other than America.
In your mind America is a shining example to us all, but that is because you have a biased viewpoint, from the outside it is a mess.
Paranoia so high that everybody is under suspicion.
Xenophobia at an all time high.
The ever closer POLICE STATE ! You know it's coming.

The mistaken belief that thier way is the only way and trying to fool people that they are free to be whoever they want to be whilst never realising they can only ever be what they are "allowed" to be.

The idea that thier goverment is any less sneaky or manipulative and less blood thirsty than all others, war is a lucrative business.

You speak of "rights" yet you fail to answer the question of who gave GW or America the right to interfere in the politics of other countries , or the right to say who holds power ?
You use a bastardisation of a quote from a Spiderman movie (WTF ?) and expect that to be seen as an answer.
America needs to attend to it's own backyard and stop sticking it's nose into other peoples business.

You are just reeling out the same indoctrinated rubbish parrotlike.
Can you try to actualy give answers instead of cliches?

Bong30

01-04-2007, 01:26 AM

we interfere with other countries when they want to kill us, or they are crazy dictators that have a 10 year history of trying to take over another soverign country.....

debate......saddam invaded iran in 80

and kuwait in 90........

he was a bad man and needed to be gone....

WE GAVE HIM AND HIS DUMB SONS A CHANCE TO GET THE FUCK OUT.........

did he give the kurds the same chance?

what about the Iranians before he gased them?

you hate america i dont care what you dumb poll says....PLease.

Bong30

01-04-2007, 01:28 AM

PC you didnt say shit about Islam first In ALL islamic states.....

Did we Tell the Iraqis.....State first Islam second......?

NOPE...we let them do Islam first.....BAD AMERICANS BAD

Krogith

01-04-2007, 01:54 AM

debate......saddam invaded iran in 80

and kuwait in 90........

he was a bad man and needed to be gone....

AHAHAHA :dance:

Now USA invaded Iraq (no reason)
And Soon (most likely) going to Invade Iran?
O but thats right the USA is differnt, They get to do what ever they want I Forgot :confused:

Watch out Bong a Congressmen is swareing on the Koran! RUN! all the women are going to ware burkas

And If they want to be a Islamic state shouldn't they get to decide? Isn't Israel a Jewish state? Israel has Nukes also who said they could have them? Some have to follow the rules but others ( who the USA decides) don;t have to;)

Bong30

01-04-2007, 01:59 AM

See krogith.....

We have freedom of religon, he can use the Koran IMO

we need ta ask him is he will defend the constitiuton, or does he want sharia law?

will he put the country before his religon?

those are real questions...........

BlueCat

01-04-2007, 02:06 AM

HAHAHAHAHA Torog statement: but I do follow God and His Son,Jesus Christ..without question.

It always amazes me the ones that follow God and his son....without question never really do....they are the 1st ones ready to go to war without question though. They are also the ones that have such disfunctional families. What would Jesus do hmmm? That is NEVER ASKED.

I seem to remember Torog wanting to take a gun himself and shoot the mexicans crossing the border. Again so Christain....

BTW I wonder how does that work that your new wife is Jewish and DOES NOT follow Jesus? Not trying to start anything I am just wondering how that works out. Is it that you don't really follow Christ or God unless it is to push an agenda?

Krogith

01-04-2007, 02:11 AM

Bong30

01-04-2007, 02:15 AM

My answer would be no....

But if you want to exist....

State Meaning your country..............

State before family

state before religon

state before race

if we were all americans first (like we used to be) Look up asimalation by imagrints.....the first americans......

We would be in a better place.............

Bong30

01-04-2007, 02:20 AM

HAHAHAHAHA Torog statement: but I do follow God and His Son,Jesus Christ..without question.

Does he convert by the sowrd BB? NO dumbass

It always amazes me the ones that follow God and his son....without question never really do....they are the 1st ones ready to go to war without question though. They are also the ones that have such disfunctional families. What would Jesus do hmmm? That is NEVER ASKED.

We are Human and Make mistakes...........ask to be forgivin?

I seem to remember Torog wanting to take a gun himself and shoot the mexicans crossing the border. Again so Christain....

Yes shoot the law breakers and then they would stay home....

STATE before religon.............BB They brerak the laws of the state.....BANG....223 round wizz by there head.....

BTW I wonder how does that work that your new wife is Jewish and DOES NOT follow Jesus?

She wont try to convert him by the sowrd either...just cause you hate Jews doesnt me TOROG does.

Not trying to start anything I am just wondering how that works out.

you are stirring up shit all the time BB dont fucking LIE.......

hey bongo go "bang your chest like an APE " remeber that one bitch?.......MY 52 inch chest? OK i will
.

Is it that you don't really follow Christ or God unless it is to push an agenda?

Jesus died so we could live......Islam you must die to Live... see the diff BB?

Get some BB....

Krogith

01-04-2007, 02:24 AM

And If they want to be a Islamic state shouldn't they get to decide? Isn't Israel a Jewish state? Israel has Nukes also who said they could have them? Some have to follow the rules but others ( who the USA decides) don;t have to;)

Here is the Question again 3rd times a charm?

And We would all be better off Following Jesus Not stuiped american's who Blindly follow there Country. The USA is not always Right. You said it YOUR self Big Bisness has it's dirty hands in the Government. Why you going to Trust Them Bongo?

Bong30

01-04-2007, 02:31 AM

BlueCat

01-04-2007, 02:32 AM

BB?? get some BB? sorry don't follow your logic or lack there of....

She wont try to convert him by the sowrd either...just cause you hate Jews doesnt me TOROG does.

I don't hate jewish people I love them so you are way off base there bongo baby. That is the simple minded statements you fox news hounds use when anyone says anything about a jewish person.

I have Jewish friends that support Palestine there are a lot of them in the US and Europe you know. oh and what is a sowrd? You've got nerve calling me a dumbass.

Krogith

01-04-2007, 02:41 AM

I dont trust them

you are so dumb......

I trust the system...best on earth.

we have enough checks and Balances.......for me

remember small goverment.....small we dont need more laws.

Krogith Compare and contrast how saddam (kim jon ill) was bound by term limits ,and how Gdub is.....for the millionth time.....BTW

IF Bisness is in the government then whos calling there Terms? Bush is a Puppet, Don;t you understand that? Do you know what a Lobbyist is? There the people that make your Checks and balances go byby.

Funny how Money buys Power, You ever heard Money is Power. It's a Old saying I'm sure Fox has said it at least once.

Are you going to answer my Israel question?

Bong30

01-04-2007, 02:49 AM

I dont have any money i know nothing of that kind of power....

The power I know Is with my hands..............

for the billionth time...I dont watch fox news.....

we are trying to change the lobby system........

Bong30

01-04-2007, 02:52 AM

BB?? get some BB? sorry don't follow your logic or lack there of....

YES BLUE BITCH get some

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Come on..............

Krogith

01-04-2007, 02:55 AM

And If they want to be a Islamic state shouldn't they get to decide? Isn't Israel a Jewish state? Israel has Nukes also who said they could have them? Some have to follow the rules but others ( who the USA decides) don;t have to;)

THE 5th TIME ROFL I ask again. Why Can a State Not Say there A Muslim State but you support A Jewish State With Nukes that they are Not Suppose to have?

Bong30

01-04-2007, 03:00 AM

THE 5th TIME ROFL I ask again. Why Can a State Not Say there A Muslim State but you support A Jewish State With Nukes that they are Not Suppose to have?

5th time wrong first time with this question.......this why i cant debate with you.

the answer is.........

Isreal understands MAD, rational thinking..........

Iran doesnt understand MAD....IE suicide Bomber.

what did we do to stop kamakazi? same mantality.......?

Do I need to spell out MAD? do you even know what im talking about?

BlueCat

01-04-2007, 03:00 AM

[quote=Bong30]I dont trust them

you are so dumb......

I trust the system...best on earth.

we have enough checks and Balances.......for me

remember small goverment.....small we dont need more laws.

HAHAHAHAHAHA keep the laughs coming.

Your president's small government and checks and balances:
BUSH HAS:Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

Has Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

[He removed more checks and balances, and has the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history

And in a little over two years he created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.

Krogith

01-04-2007, 03:08 AM

5th time wrong first time with this question.......this why i cant debate with you.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
hahahahahaha Bongo Bongo

the answer is.........

Isreal understands MAD, rational thinking..........

Iran doesnt understand MAD....IE suicide Bomber.

what did we do to stop kamakazi? same mantality.......?

Do I need to spell out MAD? do you even know what im talking about?

So Somehow You being God has read there minds and know this... And I Guess N-Korea knows about MAD also? Israel is Not suppose to Have Nukes. That much is Fact

I'm glad you being God has read there mind and know that they understand MAD and have Blessed there Neclear Arms. To bad the UN has not. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3844145.stm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bong30

01-04-2007, 03:13 AM

Bong30

01-04-2007, 03:19 AM

Your president's small government and checks and balances:

Hes not my president bitch....

BUSH HAS:Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in U.S. history.

do those Laws sunset?

Has Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Cause he is a piece of shit liberal...you are a commie

[He removed more checks and balances, and has the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in U.S. history

Sunset

And in a little over two years he created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the U.S. has ever been since the Civil War.

Yes Cause GORE lost...you hate...kerry lost you hate....that devided us yes....... your Hate..............

Bring it Bluebitch

did we vote to go into IRAQ...... are we there now? and hind sight is 20/20.... duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

BlueCat

01-04-2007, 04:12 AM

again you can't debate just smut.....peice of shit liberal,commie,bitch but no facts just ignorance......

Waste of time.....

psychocat

01-04-2007, 11:00 AM

PC you didnt say shit about Islam first In ALL islamic states.....

Did we Tell the Iraqis.....State first Islam second......?

NOPE...we let them do Islam first.....BAD AMERICANS BAD

What gives you and America the right to decide how they want to run thier countries ? If a country wants to choose Islamic law thats entirely up to them don't you think , isn't that thier freedom?

The Iraq situation is still a sectarian and tribal thing and America has put a primarily Sunni goverment in place, the Sunnis HATE Shi-ites.
The level of deaths in Iraq should tell you something about wether America has restored peace,, they haven't.
The country was divided before the US stuck it's nose in and to be honest by removing Saddam all they have done is create more shit than Saddam did, they have also made a martyr out of him.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

What God would that be then?

America sees itself as a Christian nation yet you claim religious freedom , would a Muslim moving to America be allowed to change the pledge and replace the word god with Allah?