Going "Downstairs"

[JeenYuss]

my girls birthday is in 6 days (new years day) & i was guna give her suttin "special" ... go for a swim in the kitty and what-not

any tips advice etc.?

i think i got the basics
dont bite
dont fall in
etc. lol

any kind of feedback would be helpful

[JeenYuss]

oh and if i 4got to mention its guna b my 1st time

[lagstronaut]

Aren't you the guy saying you're 16 and has been fucking his girlfriend for a long time and is about to get married? Now all of the sudden you've never eaten her out? :stoned:

[ghettoBlunt]

Aren't you the guy saying you're 16 and has been fucking his girlfriend for a long time and is about to get married? Now all of the sudden you've never eaten her out? :stoned:

ouch....***sounds like that tho***

[MastaChronic]

find the clit, and move your tongue in circles around it

[PdoubleOTY]

I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER! YOU'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMMAND THE CLIT LIKE ME!


i find a cactus makes for a great dildo, along with sand for proper lubrication..





dude just mess around, and when she moans screams arches her back or whatever, DO THAT AGAIN

[FakeBoobsRule]

Learn the Clitoral Kiss, the Venus Butterfly, strokes versus circles, finding the G-spot, Echos, and stewing the clit in its own juices which isn't what it sounds like.

[orangeman]

I haven't done that yet but I plan to in the future. Maybe I can get some tips on that shit too lol.

[JeenYuss]

idk but that cactus idea is pretty tempting...

[Frivolous248]

Get "American Pie: Band Camp" DVD and in the special features this lady teaches you how to eat out using fruit.

I've never done it though, so I'm not gonna give tips. But like PdoubleOTY said, whenever she seems to like it, do whatever you did again that 'caused her to arch her back or moan or whatever.

I think the video said stuff like licking around it at first, kinda goin' slow, breath on it a bit. Girls tend to get in the mood a bit slower than guys do, so goin' straight to business and trying to get her to orgasm too soon might not work well.

[JeenYuss]

Get "American Pie: Band Camp" DVD and in the special features this lady teaches you how to eat out using fruit.

I've never done it though, so I'm not gonna give tips. But like PdoubleOTY said, whenever she seems to like it, do whatever you did again that 'caused her to arch her back or moan or whatever.

I think the video said stuff like licking around it at first, kinda goin' slow, breath on it a bit. Girls tend to get in the mood a bit slower than guys do, so goin' straight to business and trying to get her to orgasm too soon might not work well.

lol that movie was GREAT when i was high... not so funny the 2nd time but yeah...

idk if im even really plannin on doin that i jus wanted ta c wut u guys would say lol...

[JeenYuss]

seriously, if i cant trust dedicated marijuana users, who can i trust?

[JeenYuss]

Aren't you the guy saying you're 16 and has been fucking his girlfriend for a long time and is about to get married? Now all of the sudden you've never eaten her out? :stoned:

... still searching for relevance... nope no idea how this has anything to do with "Going Downstairs"...

[JeenYuss]

i think someones a lil overboard on their ganja limit...

oh and p.s. 15, soon to be 16 nex month

[Frivolous248]

Annnnd "JeenYuss" takes the win with a whopping QUADRUPLE post! AND THE CROWD GOES WILD! "ahhh, ahhhh, haaahhhhh" (supposed to be that whispering "ah" sound people make to simulate a crowd...)


and yeah, I'm sure theres plenty of guides on the internet, just google it. I've read a few 'sexual tips' articles before. Theres definitely a ton for eating out.

[JeenYuss]

do i get a medal?

[JeenYuss]

no wait, actually, a cookie? a big bag of cannabi and a fat cookie?

[MastaChronic]

yeah, some of this is pretty valid information, just mess around for a while.
remember, the word for that night is FOREPLAY, orgasms are basically in the mind, you have to get this girl in the right mindframe and then go in for the kill. its like an old semi-truck on a cold winters day, it takes a while to get it revved up, but once you do, theres no stopping it
after youve gotten your tongue skills pretty good, try and earn your redwings, it only tastes like blood until you get the pussy juices flowin

[JeenYuss]

gross

but good advice i guess lol

im extremely high right now:D

the moral of the story?

cannabis = good

an look i didnt spell nuttin wrong

[Frivolous248]

yeah, some of this is pretty valid information, just mess around for a while.
remember, the word for that night is FOREPLAY, orgasms are basically in the mind, you have to get this girl in the right mindframe and then go in for the kill. its like an old semi-truck on a cold winters day, it takes a while to get it revved up, but once you do, theres no stopping it
after youve gotten your tongue skills pretty good, try and earn your redwings, it only tastes like blood until you get the pussy juices flowin

Dude why would you want to get your red wings? I would just imagine it be much better to simply wait...

[Cheery Cherry]

Let me say that every woman is different. You just have to try different things and watch for her reaction and listen to her moans and groans.

Personally for me, I prefer being licked around my clit to start off. I like the feeling of the tongue licking the whole length of my vagina, from top to bottom and to top again. Probing deep inside is great too. I also like seeing his whole face covered in wetness and watching him enjoy it too. When I am about to cum is when I like my clit licked...and not just with a tip of the tongue either, I want him to lick it as if he's licking an ice cream cone. I am vocal so there's really no guessing game for me. I would let your woman know that you want to know what makes her feel good so let her tell you.

[spliffstar22]

just fuck her, that should be special enough lol, i don't have the first clue of how to lick pussy cause i'll never do it........EVER

[Kid Dynamite]

It's not as hard as youd think. Just get in there with your tongue, try a few things out till you get the desired reaction, then keep doing that. It sounds corny, but good communication can be very helpful. Just ask her what feels good for her, and then do it. No shame in asking if its your first time....

and in response to spliffstar22 /\/\/\ i can't see why you have a problem with it...it really aint that bad. Depends on the chick really.

[JeenYuss]

just fuck her, that should be special enough lol, i don't have the first clue of how to lick pussy cause i'll never do it........EVER

my views exactly :D

[Acouwaila]

the clit is easy to find...

move ur fingers from the lower part of the vagina and slide them up to the upper part while pressing down slightly...u will feel it....its like a little dangly thing i dont know...

anywho....once u find it...

find it with ur toungue and then finger her making sure to press slightly hard against the upper area inside her vagina...

then do different shit tot he clit like nibble on it, and suck on it, and just wiggle ur toungue around it all while fingering her....then listen to the cool noises she makes = )

[Immolation]

The clitoris is a Mystery Organ.Only women understand it.:)

[spliffstar22]

i do see somethin wrong with it, if you do it, that's you, but i won't ever lick pussy in my life.....All my girls have never even asked me, cause they know the answer will be NO lol They suck my dick and shyt, but they know ill never eat pussy, it's frowned upon here, and i've seen a couple guys get the shit kicked outta them for eating pussy, not by me...... and i was told from youth Never to eat pussy by my older cousins, so i always grew up never even contemplating eating pussy

[trippruss]

first off a womens vagina has alot less bacteria than her mouth. the human mouth is one of the most nasty in the animal kingdom. our saliva doesn't change nearly as much as most animals. that being said, try drawing the alphabet with the tip of your tongue on/around her clit. my wife ususally lets one go before i get to mno, of course u need to pay attention to her breathing/moans that'll tell you you doing things properly., r

[cambam]

first off a womens vagina has alot less bacteria than her mouth. the human mouth is one of the most nasty in the animal kingdom. our saliva doesn't change nearly as much as most animals. that being said, try drawing the alphabet with the tip of your tongue on/around her clit. my wife ususally lets one go before i get to mno, of course u need to pay attention to her breathing/moans that'll tell you you doing things properly., r

Capitals or lower case? ;)

[gabee42ee]

sucking her clit will pry bring her to orgasim quickly at least it does for me hehe

[PdoubleOTY]

Usually a lvl 10 Clit Commander beam will do the trick












BONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG


God i love being high

[Samwhore]

this thread is amazing

i love it

[MastaChronic]

try humming the pledge of alliegance(sp?) on it while licking her

[Samwhore]

try humming the pledge of alliegance(sp?) on it while licking her


thinking about america when licking clitoris, just a little wierd

[hewhispers]

There are a few things to keep in mind before going down.
1. How does she feel about it?
It takes some time before women get used to getting oral sex.

2. Know that you're going to be down there a few times before you get the hang of what works for her. At least you'll be working out them jaw muscles. Ha!

Some tricks that have served me well...
1. Use your thumbs to part her lips to cover more of her more sensitive areas.
2. Curl your finger(s) like a "come here" motion up inside her. The inner wall is where her G-Spot is, assuming that she's old enough to have one. Lick her pussy as you finger her this way.
3. Use with caution: Try some light sucking on and around her clit.
What has served me well is slowly sucking her clit into my mouth and then flicking it with my tongue. Do the same shit with her nipples.
4. Dont only use your tongue as a pointer...use it flattened against her pussy.
Strong long licks like you're licking her breasts.

Ok...now I need to go rub one out.
Good luck.

[hewhispers]

i do see somethin wrong with it, if you do it, that's you, but i won't ever lick pussy in my life.....All my girls have never even asked me, cause they know the answer will be NO lol They suck my dick and shyt, but they know ill never eat pussy, it's frowned upon here, and i've seen a couple guys get the shit kicked outta them for eating pussy, not by me...... and i was told from youth Never to eat pussy by my older cousins, so i always grew up never even contemplating eating pussy

All I can say is that both you and your girls are missing out.

[MastaChronic]

thinking about america when licking clitoris, just a little wierd

i guess if i was gay i could think about america while i got fucked in the ass.....

does anybody recognize the metaphor?

[Skink]

I just won't go here,,,for nobody!!! I tried and nearly puked,,,it's like picking up dog shit,,,dry heaves fur me...

[greendove]

Wow! I've never heard such an outcry against going downtown! lol Nor have I ever met a fella' with even a slight aversion to it. Methinks you guys are from outer space.

[SwirlyMass]

nah i think all the guys who dont do it just tried licking a hookers pussy so it tasted like old cum and dick.

there are so many different kinds of pussies, it's like cakes, they're all different and some taste better than others.

there are the roast beef kinds there are the perfect little slit kind, there are the kind that smell like fish (not my favorite) and the kind that smell perfect, an indescribable smell that can get you horny and hard in one tiny whiff.
hehe

ive had some different kinds of pussy thats for sure and i will do just about anything to avoid licking one that doesn't smell very appetizing, but the ones that smell good are something you wont wanna let go of very easy.

damn now i wanna go taste some wet hot pussy. it's been a while, and its always good to 69 cause then you get blown while you're eating pussy, double the stimulation =D I've almost came a time or two when 69ing and im a guy who never cums when girls blow me, unless they know how to deep throat it.

[Skink]

nah i think all the guys who dont do it just tried licking a hookers pussy so it tasted like old cum and dick.

there are so many different kinds of pussies, it's like cakes, they're all different and some taste better than others.

there are the roast beef kinds there are the perfect little slit kind, there are the kind that smell like fish (not my favorite) and the kind that smell perfect, an indescribable smell that can get you horny and hard in one tiny whiff.
hehe

ive had some different kinds of pussy thats for sure and i will do just about anything to avoid licking one that doesn't smell very appetizing, but the ones that smell good are something you wont wanna let go of very easy.

damn now i wanna go taste some wet hot pussy. it's been a while, and its always good to 69 cause then you get blown while you're eating pussy, double the stimulation =D I've almost came a time or two when 69ing and im a guy who never cums when girls blow me, unless they know how to deep throat it.

Oh Gawd,,,Im gonna throw up...

[dutch.lover]

so how did the pussy eating go?

As for technique, I like very similar things to what cheery cherry described. Also, Gabee mentioned sucking- that's a good thing to heat things up with. Clit's get boners (haha) just like penises- they become engorged with blood which makes them extrasensitive, and sucking on it brings blood into the area. Haha sorry for sounding so technical.

My biggest tip is once you have been doing it as a regular part of your sex life, try to come up with new techniques every now and then, or have one special move you only whip out now and then. Differences in stimulation ALWAYS feel the best- even the best cunnilingus master can become boring after a while. One 'special' move I like, is for my bf to sort of pinch the lips together, and sort of force his tongue through them- it adds more pressure and a totally different sensation. very nice.

as for all you guys who hate going down on girls- shame on you! if you are getting head, it's only fair you return the favor. however, i do sympathize with you all who have encountered fishy-smelling vaginas. i can see why that would ruin the experience and be a major turn off. a tip though, to sweeten even the worst smelling vagina try this product called "sweet spot". they come in wipes, soap, or sprays to freshen the vagina. they have a website you should check out. to note: it's not just girls who smell not-so-great down there- anyone who has ever smelt ball sweat or smegma knows what i'm talking about. hygeine people, hygeine!!!

SPLIFFSTAR: i would be very interested to learn where you grew up. i'm guessing southern US, but that's just a guess. it's very sad that you were taught to hate cunnilingus so much- it feels absolutely AMAZING for women, and any future partner you have is DEFINITELY missing out. Since when has bringing such pleasure to a woman been so feared? my mind is just completely boggled by this... so if you could tell me where u grew up and elaborate at all- i would be super interested.

[2Triv]

*laughs at all the funny shit in here*

[harris7]

if you want to find the clit. As her.

I hope she knows

[dutch.lover]

yeah on that note, the clit is pretty fricken easy to find. it's the only round, hardish thing around the lips. it's generally in the area where the inner lips meet at the top of the vagina. this is just for all y'all who don't know already...

[Hagbard Celiene]

yeah on that note, the clit is pretty fricken easy to find. it's the only round, hardish thing around the lips. it's generally in the area where the inner lips meet at the top of the vagina. this is just for all y'all who don't know already...

I totally agree with this post, unless of course we are talking about one of spliffstar's gfs, in which case, im not sure if it even has a pussy, much less a clit... maybe if he stoped dating transvestites, he would be more inclined to give head.

[Skink]

yeah on that note, the clit is pretty fricken easy to find. it's the only round, hardish thing around the lips. it's generally in the area where the inner lips meet at the top of the vagina. this is just for all y'all who don't know already...

IDK,,,I never could find mine...

[MastaChronic]

isnt a penis just a giant clit on a meat pole?
or is a clit just a dick head without the meat pole?

[2Triv]

Maybe pussies are actually dicks pushed insideout

[Skink]

every girl has a little penis...

[spliffstar22]

and hagbard Celiene whatever stfu, i get 100x more pussy than you for sure...... If i choose not to do something, than it's my muthafuckin choice, and i don't have to lick pussy to get pussy, all my gf's just want dick, and their satisfied, maybe your girls aren't satisfied with your small infant dick, so you HAVE to lick their pussy.........(this is to hagbard, not the rest of you)

[Hagbard Celiene]

such a juvinile response. i get more pussy than you, i got a bigger dick than you, man, you sure got a lot to prove.

[Prozac fairy]

hmmm wow u two seem sooo mature

[bentleygtgirl]

WHAT THE FUCK. Yeah when you're like seven-fucking-teen you're okay with just gettin dick cuz you're dumb and young and dont wanna piss your lil boyfriend off so its "okay" he doesnt eat your pussy and you're happy to suck his lil dick. Then when you're older you want your pussy eaten the fuck out and if some guy doesnt want to then i let him go off with his little high schoolers cuz I am a grown ass woman and if your tongue isnt between my thighs then have fun jackin off. Why the fuck should i let u use my pussy to get your dick off when you're not even gonna honor it? Im not a ho u can go pay if u just wanna come in some hole. Im so sick of women compromising to please their man. Like cosmopolitan magazine "how to please your man" come on its not that fuckin hard dont be a bitch fuck him and let him go hang out with his friends...like really.

[dutch.lover]

^haha that was amazing. i'm not that angry about the situation- but i do think sexual relationships should be equal. if we go down on guys, they should go down on us. nuff said. and spliffstar- u never answered my question as to where you live. im really interested. but on another note- stop being so cocky about ur sex skils- you are INADEQUATE as a lover if you don't make the effort, or at least try to have an open mind about pleasuring your woman orally. Get a hold of yourself.

[dutch.lover]

isnt a penis just a giant clit on a meat pole?
or is a clit just a dick head without the meat pole?

a clit is essentially a concentrated penis. same number of nerve endings but in a much, much smaller package (excuse the pun). clits are much more sensitive, it's too bad they're kinda hidden and outta the way. penises get so much more action. lol.

[bentleygtgirl]

when fetuses are formed in the very early stages they are all formed female so that is why men have nipples and think about it, the ovaries drop and become nuts

[Hagbard Celiene]

and we also have gills, webbed finger/toes, and a prehensil tail while still in embryonic form.

[greendove]

WHAT THE FUCK. Yeah when you're like seven-fucking-teen you're okay with just gettin dick cuz you're dumb and young and dont wanna piss your lil boyfriend off so its "okay" he doesnt eat your pussy and you're happy to suck his lil dick. Then when you're older you want your pussy eaten the fuck out and if some guy doesnt want to then i let him go off with his little high schoolers cuz I am a grown ass woman and if your tongue isnt between my thighs then have fun jackin off. Why the fuck should i let u use my pussy to get your dick off when you're not even gonna honor it? Im not a ho u can go pay if u just wanna come in some hole. Im so sick of women compromising to please their man. Like cosmopolitan magazine "how to please your man" come on its not that fuckin hard dont be a bitch fuck him and let him go hang out with his friends...like really.

Amen to that.

[spliffstar22]

DutchLover i'm from Toronto, Scarborough to be exact...In the U.S, like 65% or maybe more of all males eat pussy, In Scarborough it's probably 10-15% or less than that eat pussy........And it's not just teens, all my older friends like between 19 and 25 and a couple older have never and will never eat pussy, and not one has a problem getting girls... it's not real common here, and a lot of guys get slapped up for doing it........
You guys are all getting mad cause i CHOOSE not to do it, who cares if i don't want to eat pussy, not any girls i know, so no one here should.......

[dutch.lover]

^is there a high divorce rate in scarborough? lol. but seriously...

[greendove]

Wow... now I'm glad I didn't hook up with that hottie from Toronto. ;)

[spliffstar22]

lol, no it's the same as everywhere else......Pretty much, everyone i know doesn't eat pussy, not pretty much, EVERYONE lol

[dutch.lover]

I still can't get over that...it's so strange. Hey, spliffstar, why don't you make some lady's day and eat her out! You would probably be the first one to ever do it to her, and believe you me- it's gonna feel great to her. You would be like her god. I DARE YOU.

[Hagbard Celiene]

but she might beat him up...

[dutch.lover]

haha well with her permission of course!

[Bodom Children Of]

Use the internet. Download a lesbian porn. Watch. Learn. Maybe something else.;) Repeat what you saw with your girlfriend. lol:jointsmile:

[Hagbard Celiene]

well, its kinda like driving a manual rental car, in britian, your not quite sure how to shift cause its not YOUR automatic, and your on the wrong side of the car and road...

[blackbarbie]

DutchLover i'm from Toronto, Scarborough to be exact...In the U.S, like 65% or maybe more of all males eat pussy, In Scarborough it's probably 10-15% or less than that eat pussy........And it's not just teens, all my older friends like between 19 and 25 and a couple older have never and will never eat pussy, and not one has a problem getting girls... it's not real common here, and a lot of guys get slapped up for doing it........
You guys are all getting mad cause i CHOOSE not to do it, who cares if i don't want to eat pussy, not any girls i know, so no one here should.......
people get beat up for eating pussy? why is it that serious? don't think i'm judging you or nothing, i just wanna know for real. down south, if he doesn't eat it up he won't beat it up!

[spliffstar22]

In certain areas man, for real, i've seen it........Pretty much, people see it as you are what you eat..........

[420 FMX]

Aren't you the guy saying you're 16 and has been fucking his girlfriend for a long time and is about to get married? Now all of the sudden you've never eaten her out? :stoned:

my thoguhts exactly..

[420 FMX]

WHAT THE FUCK. Yeah when you're like seven-fucking-teen you're okay with just gettin dick cuz you're dumb and young and dont wanna piss your lil boyfriend off so its "okay" he doesnt eat your pussy and you're happy to suck his lil dick. Then when you're older you want your pussy eaten the fuck out and if some guy doesnt want to then i let him go off with his little high schoolers cuz I am a grown ass woman and if your tongue isnt between my thighs then have fun jackin off. Why the fuck should i let u use my pussy to get your dick off when you're not even gonna honor it? Im not a ho u can go pay if u just wanna come in some hole. Im so sick of women compromising to please their man. Like cosmopolitan magazine "how to please your man" come on its not that fuckin hard dont be a bitch fuck him and let him go hang out with his friends...like really.

HAHAHAHA id rather rub one out than have to please you, alot LESS effort plus i get a load off without having to hear a 101 about honoring a pussy hahaha :P
if chicks didnt have pussies we'd throw rocks at em :)

[spliffstar22]

^^LoL, i don't know wat would happen if there was no pussy, the world would shut down lol

[Ibu Jari]

shit, the multi quote funciton doesn't work. And I'm just stoned enough that I've forgotten what the fuck I was gonna say.

Anyway, lick it like an ice cream cone. OMG, I could use some 'down time' done on me.

[JeenYuss]

HAHAHAHA id rather rub one out than have to please you, alot LESS effort plus i get a load off without having to hear a 101 about honoring a pussy hahaha :P
if chicks didnt have pussies we'd throw rocks at em :)

LMAO holy shit thats about the funniest thing ive heard in a month or so :clap: :clap: good job

[dutch.lover]

^^:rolleyes: Hmm...I wonder what's stopping girls from throwing rocks at boys?? :buzz_saw:

[Hagbard Celiene]

hmmm... pre-adolecent S&M.

[Samwhore]

OMG, I could use some 'down time' done on me.


we all could :giggity:

[dutch.lover]

i hear that.

[Samwhore]

been listening

heheh

[dutch.lover]

lol...so where you from...hehe

[Samwhore]

america.....

[weedheaduknow]

let me simplify it for some of ya'll, u dont go down on pussy that belongs to some trick, thats just fuckin nasty. But if you've been with a girl for awhile and know she aint no hoe, then eat it up.

[invision]

i suppose im one of those few males that rather go down on my GF rather than her blow me, its not that i dont like it but me pleasing her is just more fulfilling than anything.

dont know how to describe it other than amazing.

[bong_man]

man taking that dive is pretty sick and twisted sometimes, They do be grabbing your head and trying to drown u and trying to crush ur head with there legs, you manage to get out and u just see the lips vibrating with a big dirty pussy fart and ur face is soaking and theres hairs hanging out from inbetween ur teeth but other times its cool like if shes covered in chocolate then sticking a strawberry up her and going bobbing for it (you realy want to get to that strawberry to avoid the horrible taste)

[systemofadown]

man taking that dive is pretty sick and twisted sometimes, They do be grabbing your head and trying to drown u and trying to crush ur head with there legs, you manage to get out and u just see the lips vibrating with a big dirty pussy fart and ur face is soaking and theres hairs hanging out from inbetween ur teeth but other times its cool like if shes covered in chocolate then sticking a strawberry up her and going bobbing for it (you realy want to get to that strawberry to avoid the horrible taste)

That made me seriously laugh out loud.

[OLDE ENGLISH '800]

i worked for my skills at the cat i aint gonna give em away

[JeenYuss]

i suppose im one of those few males that rather go down on my GF rather than her blow me, its not that i dont like it but me pleasing her is just more fulfilling than anything.

dont know how to describe it other than amazing.

i feel u on that but i can REALLY please her in other ways, which is my favorite thing to do... i never did go down on her like i said i was thinkin about and i probably never will... maybe when we're like 20 on one of them drunk nights idk lol

[J-dubb206]

Best advice a man could give. when eating her out finger her/stimulate her g spot. girls go crazy with that shit

[dutch.lover]

^^i totally agree. I will add something tho, don't start fingering right away, wait like 5mins or something til she's really turned on....not only will she be wetter, the g-spot swells up when a girls really turned on, which makes it easier to find and it feels even better for her when u do find it.

[scott9116]

I love going down on chicks. The smell, taste the way they buck. Some times I don't even care if we end up fucking or not. Damn, I love pussy! I live across the street from the bar where I work and I'll just ask. "So ya wanna go across the street so I can go down on ya?". Doesn't work all the time but I have a good rep for being good at it.

[Hagbard Celiene]

Right on Dutch.

[SpitfireIRL]

i suppose im one of those few males that rather go down on my GF rather than her blow me, its not that i dont like it but me pleasing her is just more fulfilling than anything.

dont know how to describe it other than amazing.

I agreeeeeeee. I actually well prefer going down on girls than them going down on me. I think I get more of a kick from pleasuring than being pleasured. Which is strange but not a bad thing at all at all..

[mfqr]

... still searching for relevance... nope no idea how this has anything to do with "Going Downstairs"...

start kissing down her leg. start out slow like that other dude said, too.

[benagain]

I like 'goin' down there, but I think she seems to prefer my 'handy' work when it comes to foreplay.