does this ww look odd? i didnt top it.. but its split

[noty johnson]

It came up around thanksgiving.. first plant to get this big so i dont know what to expect... but i assumed there would be one main branch, and this one has two. I wanted to take a clone to determine sex, but since there are two branches i guess i have to wait longer since the growth on each branch is pretty small

any idea what could of caused this, or am i just crazy and its normal
its in an aero system with a 400w MH... sorry for the crappy pics, my camera doesnt like the MH light

[Perp]

Don't know what exactly causes it but it happens sometimes. I wouldn't worry about it.

Good luck with your grow.

[justaseed]

wow that seed plant looks more like a clone! it looks fine though so i wouldn't worry. i find that seedlings seem to have fatter stems and bigger fanleaves than clones of the same size. just an observation.

[Perp]

wow that seed plant looks more like a clone! it looks fine though so i wouldn't worry. i find that seedlings seem to have fatter stems and bigger fanleaves than clones of the same size. just an observation.

I agree. Seeds are always more vigorous, bigger, yield more than clones. I don't do many grows with clones, mostly seeds.

[Weedhound]

I never heard that about clones...the yield is not as good per plant? Why do you prefer seeds perp; any other reason besides the yield? Noty, that plant is a trip. It does look like you topped it, lol.

[justaseed]

clones are faster than always doing seed grows. you also get used to how a plant grows if you always use clones. don't forget clones will all be female. with seeds you gotta grow twice as many as you want to make up for the males you will get. growing with clones has it's advantages and disadvantages as does growing with seeds.

[noty johnson]

so how much longer till its big enough to cut a clone? until the "side shoots" are long enough to have multiple sets of flowers?

i just want to flower a clone so i know if i'm wasting my tmie with a male..

also, does this means clones from this plant will grow the same way?

thanks for everyones continued help.. especially weedhound who at this point probably just reads my threads for entertainment :rasta:

[Garden Knowm]

Ideally you want to wait until a plant has secondary growth before you clone.

cheers

BUT you could clone it NOW...

:)

[noty johnson]

by secondary growth you mean more than one set of flowers per "offshoot"?

if i try now the odds of it surviving are just smaller?

I'm going to give it at least 3 or 4 days, be gone for the holidays until then anyway.

THen i'll post a high quality picture and see what you guys think

[dutch.lover]

ya i had a clone that split into three main stems at the bottom like that. if anything, i would say that it would increase yield because u would be able to manipulate it easier so that the whole plant would get more light. like tie each branch down a bit, away from one another.

[Garden Knowm]

secondary growth are branches that are growing off of branches.. LOL

I will look for a picture...

cheers

[dusto2k3]

i had a clone do that. It yielded great, better than the rest. It seemed to have 2 main colas. This time when i took clones, i looked for clones that will form and grow similar, or at least i tried.

[noty johnson]

here are the latest pics.. plant is over a foot tall now, but still nothing big enough to clone

[justaseed]

top it(both tops) and the secodary growth will come out alot faster

[noty johnson]

i need to read up on topping, that wont make four colas though will it?

[justaseed]

when you top a plant the growth tip doubles and the secondary growth starts to catch up with the tops of the plant. i always top my plants, my yeilds are much better for it too. topping slows the growth of the branch topped for a few days but i'm never in a hurry anyway so the benifits well outway that fact... for me at least.

[noty johnson]

what method of topping should i use?

[noty johnson]

ok, i topped it and planted the clones, we'll see

[justaseed]

i usually fim top clones and just use standard topping for seed plants(less stress)

[noty johnson]

its more stressfull to fim top? arent seed plants usually stronger?
so far no new growth where i topped.. i guess it takes a week?

[justaseed]

fim topping is a bit more stressful and i just figure seed plants are not as mature as clones so i don't want to stress them at such a tender young age unecessarily. it's just the way i do and i've always had good results.

[noty johnson]

does the new growth actually come from where the stalk was cut, or is it just that the secondary growth on the node below becomes the two new "tops"?

[justaseed]

when you fim up to 8 tops can grow from the cut stem(partial growth tip left). when you do standard topping 2 tops grow from the 2 nodes right on the sides of the main tip that was removed.

[noty johnson]

yup, that's what i'm seeing.

i'm a noob, but this shit is really cool ;-)

[noty johnson]

if i flower a clone i took from the top of the plant when i topped (its 3 days since cutting and planting in rockwool), how long will it take to show sex? I just want to use one clone for sexing, don't care about it after that

[justaseed]

i've never tried that before. i always just wait for preflowers to show on there own. i would assume at least a week. maybe someone who uses this technique could have a better answer

[noty johnson]

im just cramped for space.. and if my huge plant is a male, i would wait longer before starting 12/12

oh well, we'll see

[justaseed]

how old is the plant? if it's at least 4 weeks then eximine ALL the nodes with a magnifying glass or even better a 30x jewlers loupe. sometimes you can't see anything unless you gently move the stipule aside and then you find the preflower. i have see sexable preflowers hidden behind a stipule so nothing at all was visible unless it was moved aside. take a close look, you could be suprised what you find.

[Legalizdahurb]

I often flower a young clone to find out the sex. It depends on strain i think but a freashly rooted clone usually shows first signs after 1-1.5 weeks.