Ice in bong.

[JR77]

I know this has been discussed here before, but what does everyone think about putting ice in a bong....Some people were saying it is really bad for you....I do it all the time and I was just wondering what people's personal experiences were? I guess it can't be much worse than smoking in general?!

[Reefer Rogue]

I don't see how it can be bad for you. I only have a bubbler rite now but i'm getting a new bong soon. I'll put ice in it if i feel like it.

[Nochowderforyou]

I prefer ice or ice water in a bong/bubbler. It cools the smoke very nicely. I prefer the ice though. I can just slide a few cubes in the top of my bong, and when I'm done, just take them back out with very little water drainage in my bong. Usinh water I find kind of fogs up my bong and has a musky taste after, so I like ice or the infamous rice (dry) in my bong. :)

[JR77]

I never did try the rice....I forgot about that! I usually put a little water and crushed ice in my bong....definitely cools it down!

[Epic]

There is no way cold air could be bad for you. I, however, do not enjoy it. It always makes it harder to hit for me. Have you ever left a warm room in the middle of winter to go outside and choked for a second when you tried to inhale the cold air? It does that to me.

[JR77]

That's interesting...for some reason it hits smoother for me with the ice. But I get that choke feeling, too when it's really cold outside...someone told me that it's bad for your lungs to put ice in the bong...who knows?!

[lil josh]

yer i like ice in a bong allows me to take much bigger hits :) i usually put about 4 ice cubes and some water ma bong is only a lil baby tho :)

[Skink]

eggs,bacon and hashbrowns are supposed to be bad too... I would not worry about ice in your bong...

[Markass]

I put ice water in my bong when I smoke. It hits harder and tastes better. :stoned:

[smoke it]

warm water----filters out the tar and shit better

ice----gives a smoother hit

if your worried about your health, use warm water. i smoke cigs anyway, so fuck it :bonghit:

[gs8778]

or the infamous rice (dry) in my bong. :)

wtf?!?

[Skink]

never heard of or thought of rice,,,lots of surface area to absorbe tar... I must try it...

[Reefer Rogue]

There was a huge thread about rice in a bong. I haven't tried it but you can do it. Still, ice > rice imo.

[Cannab1sman]

...someone told me that it's bad for your lungs to put ice in the bong...who knows?!

Hiya,

No, cold air from a bong would not cause you any problems. There have been documented links between drinking ice-cold drinks and throat cancer (the main reason I drink all cold liquids at room temperature) and there is evidence that boiling hot liquids do the same. But cold air only has the real possibility of causing a paralysis of the cilia that line the air passages. and frankly the smoke does that within 30 seconds to 2 minutes anyway!

In fact, one of the real advantages of ice in a bong (with or without water) would be to dramatically cool the smoke down thereby probably reducing your risk of throat cancer (although the smoke particles itself would not be 'healthy')

The only exception to this would be that people with Asthma would possibly precipitate an attack from the cold air, just as they would breathing in freezing air outside on a cold day.

Other than that, no worries.


Ciao,


Cannab1sman (doctor)

[Reefer Rogue]

The water in bongs does filter out carcinogens, right?

[MastaChronic]

I put ice water in my bong when I smoke. It hits harder and tastes better. :stoned:

ive put tea leaves in my bong water beofre, it gives it a nice taste

[Cannab1sman]

The water in bongs does filter out carcinogens, right?

Hi,

No, not really. It allows some of the particles to dissolve into the water but not a great deal of it does actually get dissolved because of the small amount of time its in contact with the water. Also tar is a lipid (fat) soluble particle which means that its hydrophobic (scared of water) and does not dissolve well or even at all in water. A small amount gets mixed with the bubbles created when drawing on the bong and gets stuck to the sides of the bong (that brown crud that sticks to the glass above the level of the water). Its mainly this method of the tar sticking to the sides that helps cut down on total tar in a bongs smoke. (I like the rice idea!!!!) Now you'd need a better solvent to filter out the tar (which has most of the cancer causing agents) but that'd mean using something like alcohol which would be a bad idea due to fires etc... Of course making a drink with the alcohol afterwards would give a pretty big kick!!! ;)

Sorry if this does'nt reassure you but the only safe way to avoid the carcinogens in weed is to avoid the weed altogether (not gonna happen)

:)

Cannab1sman

PS: Smoke from cannabis contains about 60 or so known carcinogens of which about 10 or so are known to cause cancer in humans and the rest are assumed to cause cancer.

[wadejason]

i like to fill my phx with hot water and ice cuz i think it hits smoothest like that. cold water and ice gives me a really dry smoke. i like having a big bong and hot water cuz it kinda creates this water vapor like feeling, much smoother i think. i feel like i can recover from hot water hits better than cold water and ice.

[b0Ng h!tz 4 mE]

i like to fill my phx with hot water and ice cuz i think it hits smoothest like that. cold water and ice gives me a really dry smoke. i like having a big bong and hot water cuz it kinda creates this water vapor like feeling, much smoother i think. i feel like i can recover from hot water hits better than cold water and ice.

hot water and ice?

i might try that :)

[slipknotpsycho]

lmao, bad for you... lmao... lmao..

ice is the ONLY thing i put in my bong, no water, just ice to cool the smoke...

[Reefer Rogue]

Hi,

No, not really. It allows some of the particles to dissolve into the water but not a great deal of it does actually get dissolved because of the small amount of time its in contact with the water. Also tar is a lipid (fat) soluble particle which means that its hydrophobic (scared of water) and does not dissolve well or even at all in water. A small amount gets mixed with the bubbles created when drawing on the bong and gets stuck to the sides of the bong (that brown crud that sticks to the glass above the level of the water). Its mainly this method of the tar sticking to the sides that helps cut down on total tar in a bongs smoke. (I like the rice idea!!!!) Now you'd need a better solvent to filter out the tar (which has most of the cancer causing agents) but that'd mean using something like alcohol which would be a bad idea due to fires etc... Of course making a drink with the alcohol afterwards would give a pretty big kick!!! ;)

Sorry if this does'nt reassure you but the only safe way to avoid the carcinogens in weed is to avoid the weed altogether (not gonna happen)

:)

Cannab1sman

PS: Smoke from cannabis contains about 60 or so known carcinogens of which about 10 or so are known to cause cancer in humans and the rest are assumed to cause cancer.

I thought all carcinogens were eliminated while vaporizing...

Good info though, i've heard about stuides from norml but forget what they found out. At least it filters out some of the carcinogens, better then a pipe imo. I love bongs way too much to stop or use a different method. Even if there are carcinogens still left there, i've never heard of anyone getting cancer from cannabis.

Also, do you consume carcinogens if you eat it? I'm curious.

[slipknotpsycho]

no you don't consume carcinogens from eating it, (correct me i'm wrong anyone, but i'm pretty damned sure of this...) no a water bong does not filter out all the carcinogens, and actually according to those nomrl studies, it showed it was even taking away 'the high' (i want to say thc here, but someone will come back and say thc isn't the only thing that gets you high, which i know, but i can't think of the right word to use in this situation..)

[Reefer Rogue]

Yeah, that's right. I don't think you consume carcinogens while eating it either i just wasn't 100% sure. Well, norml can say what they like, i know i get high as hell from my bong and that's the way it will continue :D

[hazetwostep]

you don't consume any carcinogens from eating except if there were chemicals used on the plant or on the soil containing them. marijuana itself has positive nutritional values when ingested.

vaporizing eliminates the vast marjority (95% i believe) of carcinogens, not to mention that it is tar-free, when used properly. it however does not release all the different kinds of cannabinols present, though it does release the main one that is attributed for causing the desired effects (delt-9-tetrahydrocannibinol).

ice in the bong technically is a less healthy smoke, but is nice as it is easy on your throat. it is less healthy because it allows you to pull more smoke in, resulting in more tissue irritation. it allows you to hold it longer, also leading to more irritation. it also causes parts of the lungs to contract, pulling in more THC as well as carcinogens. water in general also strips the smoke of some THC, which sucks to lose! haha

there are a couple other negative aspects that have been suggested by research that i cannot recall right now as my mind has shutdown to recharge after this semester.

[Nochowderforyou]

hot water and ice?

i might try that :)

No no no. Hot water and ice mixed together creates a vapor that increases pressure. There is a good chance your glass bong will crack or break if you do that. I once put wine glasses that came from the freezing cold outside, inside a hot dishwasher, and they all exploded as soon as it turned on. So no, I would avoid mixing those together.

[EmoRebellion]

I think if you used warm water (instead of boiling) and ice you should be okay. Its when there is an EXTREME amount of differance in temperature that you get cracking. Also, I dont know about you but my bongs are alot thicker than wine glasses.

[Cannab1sman]

I thought all carcinogens were eliminated while vaporizing...

Good info though, i've heard about stuides from norml but forget what they found out. At least it filters out some of the carcinogens, better then a pipe imo. I love bongs way too much to stop or use a different method. Even if there are carcinogens still left there, i've never heard of anyone getting cancer from cannabis.

Also, do you consume carcinogens if you eat it? I'm curious.

Hi,

Vapourizing is definately the best way to 'smoke' it. There have not been peer reviewed studies of this method of using it but logic states that since the vegetable matter is not burnt then there would be much less chance for carcinogens to enter the lungs. Personally I smoke spliffs, but do so knowing the danger I put myself in and not really caring, ... much. Since I don't drink alcohol and smoke, and since I eat pretty healthly I figure I can chance it. <-- Foolish, but there you go! :jointsmile:

Eating it is the safest way to consume it and has never been even suggested as an unsafe thing to do. The human body (all bodies actually) are the best and most efficient chemical processing plants ever made in the known universe. The body uses 100% of the THC when you eat weed because of the way its processed. First your chewing (spit) adds a enzyme which starts to break down the plant matter (but not the THC yet) then you swallow it and the gastric acid / enzymes and churning of your stomach makes it into a paste which then gets moved into the proximal intestines which then add more enzymes that break it down and bile which starts to digest the THC. Individual molecules of THC cross the intestinal barrier and enter the blood stream. From there they hit all tissues of the body but collect in the brain tissues and then act as all THC does and prevent the reuptake of neurotransmitter chemicals in the brain giving an excess of these chemicals and that nice stoned feeling we like.


I'll go on record here and say that carcinogens are most frequently found in matter after we burn it and it creates smoke. Eating stuff (unless its meat) generally doesn't add carcinogens to our systems. Meat does because animals tend to aggregate chemicals from the lower aspects of the food cycle and concentrate them in their flesh. Plant matter is a primary producer of food and so unless the soil or air is contaminated don't pull these bad chemicals into their systems and then we don't eat them. However, many things cause cancer. The thing that's doing us the most harm is the fact that we breath oxygen!! O2 does terrible things inside the tissues, creating free radicals that cause mutation in our DNA. But, fuck it, you're not gonna stop breathing are you!?!?

Well hope that helps you out.


Regards

Cannab1sman

[Cannab1sman]

I usually put nice hot tap water in my bong, and put a couple cubes of ice in it. I read something about ice putting water into your lungs. I've not had any troubles, but then again, I don't always use ice.

Dude,

Not a problem. Water vapour is very VERY good for your lungs!!!! I give nebulized (vapourized) salt water to patients every day of my life to keep them alive!!


C

[silasbotwin]

Hot water in a bong is the way to go
it's my cough remedy.

[aekdb]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html
you don't consume any carcinogens from eating except if there were chemicals used on the plant or on the soil containing them. marijuana itself has positive nutritional values when ingested.

vaporizing eliminates the vast marjority (95% i believe) of carcinogens, not to mention that it is tar-free, when used properly. it however does not release all the different kinds of cannabinols present, though it does release the main one that is attributed for causing the desired effects (delt-9-tetrahydrocannibinol).

ice in the bong technically is a less healthy smoke, but is nice as it is easy on your throat. it is less healthy because it allows you to pull more smoke in, resulting in more tissue irritation. it allows you to hold it longer, also leading to more irritation. it also causes parts of the lungs to contract, pulling in more THC as well as carcinogens. water in general also strips the smoke of some THC, which sucks to lose! haha

there are a couple other negative aspects that have been suggested by research that i cannot recall right now as my mind has shutdown to recharge after this semester.

[Cannab1sman]

ice in the bong ... also causes parts of the lungs to contract, pulling in more THC as well as carcinogens. water in general also strips the smoke of some THC, which sucks to lose! haha

Perhaps you'd like to explain how cold cannabis smoke causes parts of the lungs to contract? Also THC is a lipid soluble hydrophobic molecule so I can't see how it'd dissolve in the water.

:confused:

Cannab1sman

[Reefer Rogue]

Hi,

Vapourizing is definately the best way to 'smoke' it. There have not been peer reviewed studies of this method of using it but logic states that since the vegetable matter is not burnt then there would be much less chance for carcinogens to enter the lungs. Personally I smoke spliffs, but do so knowing the danger I put myself in and not really caring, ... much. Since I don't drink alcohol and smoke, and since I eat pretty healthly I figure I can chance it. <-- Foolish, but there you go! :jointsmile:

Eating it is the safest way to consume it and has never been even suggested as an unsafe thing to do. The human body (all bodies actually) are the best and most efficient chemical processing plants ever made in the known universe. The body uses 100% of the THC when you eat weed because of the way its processed. First your chewing (spit) adds a enzyme which starts to break down the plant matter (but not the THC yet) then you swallow it and the gastric acid / enzymes and churning of your stomach makes it into a paste which then gets moved into the proximal intestines which then add more enzymes that break it down and bile which starts to digest the THC. Individual molecules of THC cross the intestinal barrier and enter the blood stream. From there they hit all tissues of the body but collect in the brain tissues and then act as all THC does and prevent the reuptake of neurotransmitter chemicals in the brain giving an excess of these chemicals and that nice stoned feeling we like.


I'll go on record here and say that carcinogens are most frequently found in matter after we burn it and it creates smoke. Eating stuff (unless its meat) generally doesn't add carcinogens to our systems. Meat does because animals tend to aggregate chemicals from the lower aspects of the food cycle and concentrate them in their flesh. Plant matter is a primary producer of food and so unless the soil or air is contaminated don't pull these bad chemicals into their systems and then we don't eat them. However, many things cause cancer. The thing that's doing us the most harm is the fact that we breath oxygen!! O2 does terrible things inside the tissues, creating free radicals that cause mutation in our DNA. But, fuck it, you're not gonna stop breathing are you!?!?

Well hope that helps you out.


Regards

Cannab1sman

Cheers, really good post.

[fancy boots]

No no no. Hot water and ice mixed together creates a vapor that increases pressure. There is a good chance your glass bong will crack or break if you do that. I once put wine glasses that came from the freezing cold outside, inside a hot dishwasher, and they all exploded as soon as it turned on. So no, I would avoid mixing those together.

Yes, that would be a bad idea. Unless your bong is high grade pyrex glass, it isn't going to be able to withstand that temp. change.

[slipknotpsycho]

wine glasses are a lot thinner then what bongs and pipes are made out of tho...

[JeenYuss]

i've never heard the rice idea i have a 4 chamber bong i fill the first chamber with hot water to filter it better or w/e the last chamber with ice to cool it right before it hits my lungs & the 3rd chamber i usually fill with something flavorful to give it sum kinda taste but i've never really had anything to put in the 2nd chamber besides just water... i tried alcohol before & it didnt really do much lol

thanks for the rice idea i love you guys so much lol
:rasta:

[orange floyd]

wait was that a typo or did one or two people actually say you could put rice in you bong?

[JeenYuss]

i think more like 10 ppl might have said that im sure its not a typo READ THE SHIT lol

[Fr33kMan]

It's occured to me that you could put the rice in the freezer first or else just keep the whole bong with rice in it in the freezer until you start smoking. For those with long bongs this might not work unless you've got a chest freezer. But it's an idea??!??


Fr33kMan

[JR77]

It's the same idea when people (morons) put hot water on their windshield when it is icy!

[exiled247]

It's occured to me that you could put the rice in the freezer first or else just keep the whole bong with rice in it in the freezer until you start smoking. For those with long bongs this might not work unless you've got a chest freezer. But it's an idea??!??


Fr33kMan


not to be a smartass, but the idea of a stoner putting a bong in the freezer might not be a good idea... especially if you're already stoned!

[Not Enough Herb]

puttign hot water in ur ice bong is not a good dea

cold water and ice always go togeTHER

unless u want a cracked bong

later

[whoreable]

Once I found some Pinto beans in the freezer solid frozen, used them, worked fine.

[Fr33kMan]

not to be a smartass, but the idea of a stoner putting a bong in the freezer might not be a good idea... especially if you're already stoned!

Probably why I suggested UNTIL you START smoking. Helps if you read the entire post first. Personally I don't lose control of my physical abilities when I smoke.

:)

Fr33kMan

[Mosiah]

I like ice and water, makes the hits really pleasurable rather than painful to the throat.

[fastforyou84]

I have a RooR ice bong and love it

[Nelf]

I always liked warm water in my bong. The hits are a little harsher, but still wayyy better than joint/blunt/pipe hits, and the water vapor is soothing on my throat.

[wrasler]

heres a variation: over here we like to pack snow in the neck of our bongs during the winter. it makes for a pretty epic sesh.

[Nelf]

Aw, no snow in the pacific northwest :(. Sounds super fun though!