Moonlight.

[coolchild2001]

If plants adapt to the moonlight outside in a outdoor grow..i wonder if its better for the plant that it gets light durring a full moon cycle or something..

Because of the indoor rule about no flowering with any light during the off periods. I think thats kinda funny that it would work that way since i do know the mooon creates alot of light during a full moon even if the lumens arent high..

does anybody know anything about the whole dark period and moonlight thing?

how many lumens does the moon put out?

during a full mooon
and during the regular moon cycle.:rastasmoke:


IM EAGER TO LEARN SO FEEL FREE TO LAY DOWN FACTS AND NOVELS ( aka long ass reply's) i would love for you guys to elaborate as much as possible thank you..:toilet_claw:

[stinkyattic]

Forcing flower inside is very artificial. It's like apples and oranges.
BTW did you give YOUR OWN thread 5 stars? ROFL nice. :D

[Splifted]

From what i could find, moonlight is about .1 lux (lux = lumens/meters^2).
Full moons are approximately .2 lux.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight

[Splifted]

Oh yah, to put that in perspective, even a 23 watt cfl is 1700 lumens.

[TheGreenFog]

I'm curious about this also. I was never real convinced with the whole "ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT during flowering" rule either. If you look, you will notice that none of the flowering rooms in my thread are 100 % light proof. I also have opened them to look one at least one or two occasions.

This does not mean they can't get stressed that. I DO believe that if you have too much high intensity light on them for an extended period of time during flower, you will have severe problems...and a plant with an identity crisis.

The theory you have is interesting, though. I've heard about planting during a full moon, etc, so maybe you're onto something.

I'd like to hear what some others have to say about it.

:rastasmoke:

TGF



Forcing flower inside is very artificial. It's like apples and oranges.
BTW did you give YOUR OWN thread 5 stars? ROFL nice. :D

I was thinking of starting a thread about this. It's pretty misleading. What's the point?! Hi Stinky. :D

[coolchild2001]

I wonder if you use a smalll amount of light during the off duration ,like seriously 1 or 2 led's with the same spectrum as the moon if your crop would flurish with more intensity because your going that much further into replicating nature?

[Splifted]

I wonder if you use a smalll amount of light during the off duration ,like seriously 1 or 2 led's with the same spectrum as the moon if your crop would flurish with more intensity because your going that much further into replicating nature?

I highly doubt it. Yield is directly correlated to a few factors: genetics, light intensity (during the light phase), proper nutes, co2, etc. The dark period is just a time without light letting the plant know it should flower, but the darkness itself doesn't actually affect yield. At least thats my thoughts on that, I dunno for sure. You can get some amazing plants having complete darkness during your dark cycle, just look at 99% of the grows posted on this site. I say if its not broke don't fix it.


And we're not trying to replicate nature in an indoor grow, we're trying to get max yield in shortest time, something nature can't accomplish. If you're going to try and imitate nature, you should let tons of bugs in your room, maybe knock your plants over with a leaf blower to imitate a severe storm during the growing season, etc. Growing indoors isn't an attempt to replicate nature, its an attempt to provide your plants with IDEAL conditions, which are seldom, if ever, found naturally.

[coolchild2001]

I highly doubt it. Yield is directly correlated to a few factors: genetics, light intensity (during the light phase), proper nutes, co2, etc. The dark period is just a time without light letting the plant know it should flower, but the darkness itself doesn't actually affect yield. At least thats my thoughts on that, I dunno for sure. You can get some amazing plants having complete darkness during your dark cycle, just look at 99% of the grows posted on this site. I say if its not broke don't fix it.


And we're not trying to replicate nature in an indoor grow, we're trying to get max yield in shortest time, something nature can't accomplish. If you're going to try and imitate nature, you should let tons of bugs in your room, maybe knock your plants over with a leaf blower to imitate a severe storm during the growing season, etc. Growing indoors isn't an attempt to replicate nature, its an attempt to provide your plants with IDEAL conditions, which are seldom, if ever, found naturally.



just because someone is growing indoor dosnt mean that your trying to grow fast and get as much out of it as you can i simply grow indoors because of the fact that i live around others and u cant just grow pot outside around a bunch of people or i atleast choose not to.

if its not broke dont fix it.

if everybody thought like this we would all be throwing stones at animals for food and lighting our fires with a rocks.

There are many things that require a little testing to see even though i dont have the setup yet for "expirements" . What if there is a posiblity ..when you grow indoor you are simulating nature in a way giving it nutrients and co2 and light etc who knows wat might happen if you take another step forward bud sizes could increase 10fold and you would never know because it wasnt "Broke"

[Splifted]

just because someone is growing indoor dosnt mean that your trying to grow fast and get as much out of it as you can i simply grow indoors because of the fact that i live around others and u cant just grow pot outside around a bunch of people or i atleast choose not to.

if its not broke dont fix it.

if everybody thought like this we would all be throwing stones at animals for food and lighting our fires with a rocks.

There are many things that require a little testing to see even though i dont have the setup yet for "expirements" . What if there is a posiblity ..when you grow indoor you are simulating nature in a way giving it nutrients and co2 and light etc who knows wat might happen if you take another step forward bud sizes could increase 10fold and you would never know because it wasnt "Broke"

Nah, you aren't simulating nature in anyway. If you want to simulate nature, replace your HPS with the sun. Having the full spectrum of the sun during the light cycle would increase your yield way more than having a couple leds on during the dark cycle. In nature, plants aren't fed fox farms nutrients, and they aren't low stress trained to increase yield. What I'm saying is that nature isn't ideal, but indoors you can set up an ideal environment. You don't strive to mimic nature, you strive to pwn nature.

[bud luv]

you want a room full of sensimilla, something that is completely unnatural.

In nature there are pollinated females, males, hermies = all things you don't want.

screw nature. heh.

[coolchild2001]

you want a room full of sensimilla, something that is completely unnatural.

In nature there are pollinated females, males, hermies = all things you don't want.

screw nature. heh.


U just said screw nature? Thats like asking your plants to die. Because nature is everywere your plant its in nature. Your whole indoor grow is in nature and the fact that u came along to plant this plant in ideal conditions is nature .. human nature but nature none the less.

chaning a hps for the sun? why dont you just use a hps and an mh light on the same grow?


is there a light that does replicate every aspect of the sun without the fact that its bazillion miles away and is wayyy hot?

[bud luv]

[quote=coolchild2001]U just said screw nature? Thats like asking your plants to die. Because nature is everywere your plant its in nature. Your whole indoor grow is in nature and the fact that u came along to plant this plant in ideal conditions is nature .. human nature but nature none the less.
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heh, not looking for a philosophical argument...

[harris7]

i've read that 1-2 lumen per sq foot is ok during light period.
As well you can have green lights on during the dark cycle. As the plants dnot react to green light

[Splifted]

U just said screw nature? Thats like asking your plants to die. Because nature is everywere your plant its in nature. Your whole indoor grow is in nature and the fact that u came along to plant this plant in ideal conditions is nature .. human nature but nature none the less.

chaning a hps for the sun? why dont you just use a hps and an mh light on the same grow?


is there a light that does replicate every aspect of the sun without the fact that its bazillion miles away and is wayyy hot?

MH + HPS don't = Sun. The sun also puts out UV light (and a lot of other wavelengths not covered by hps or mh), which has been shown to increase THC content. Apparently pot reacts to UV light kinda the way our skin does, except with more THC instead of more pigment(tanning in humans).
http://cannabase.com/cl/bcga/bcga/uv.htm

Regardless of the nature discussion, I'll admit that a little light during the dark cycle won't hurt your plants, but I don't see it helping them either. You're also risking stressing your plants by throwing off the photoperiod if you give them too much light(no, i have no clue where the cut-off line for too much light is), resulting hermpahroditism or a plant trying to revert back to vegetative growth. I say play it safe, keep light to a minimum during your dark cycle.

Btw, I'm not trying to hate on your theory, I'm just trying to keep you from accidentally stressing your babes. Good luck on anything you wish to try and experiment with man, and be sure to let us know of the results. You could set up two flower chambers, and try partial light during the dark cyle in one and complete darkness on the others and compare yields. Best way to check would be to use clones so you have the exact same plant for both rooms. :jointsmile: