miracle grow sucks...need help?

[hazzey35]

i started with this shit and now im having nothing but probs out of it was wanting to know if i could switch to fox farm or anything besides this shit.I have four plants not sure on strain (bag seed)figure i would start with this till i learn enough,have been doing alot of studing on here and have learned alot but your imfo would be appricc.....oh yea they are under 4 cfl"s 26 watt, started them 18 nov doing ok but not happy with the color of them have alot of yellow in leaves i think its from marical shit.....

[ju99al0b0mb3r]

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:rasta:

lol

i couldent help ya man

sorry


i dont know why im even postng this

hmmm

lifes confusing

hey hey hey smoke weed everyday:stoned:

[hazzey35]

i can't even help my self don't feel bad

[stinkyattic]

Oh hey there ya are.
I did post back to you in the other thread... basically this:
MG sux
Change ferts ASAP
You might already have salts problems
Organic fertilizers are a safe bet
Humic acid supplements can help get you back on track
A good flush or a repotting is also in order
WElcome to the boards.

[hazzey35]

thanx that really helps im in process now ...i was also wandering what you though about ocean forest,mixed with 2tbls lime,and perlite 4:1 ratio..i really appricate the help ....so glad i found this site

[stinkyattic]

Never used it.
I'm a cheap person and make my own mix using basic ingredients from our local Agway:
One big bag composted cow manure with humus (40lbs)
One big bag perlite (uh... a bunch of, like , quarts... durr... like 2-3 cubic feet)
About as much worm castings as would fit in a scoop if you made it by cutting the bottom off a gallon milk jug
This mess will fill a pretty big trash bucket and grow maybe 6 plants to maturity I think... don't hold me to it though! All it all that will cost you about $10.

Then the treats that you can add depending on what you're doing with it:
-bat guano for bloom
-blood meal or fish emulsion for grow... if you use liquid, MIX WELL
-MycoStim to break down organics

Just mix well and enjoy.

[hazzey35]

hey thanx alot stinkyattic,i really appriciate it and i like the cheap thing for now since i am still learning i think i will try your way it is has to be better than mg. thanx and i will try to get some pics on here soon i hope, they are only about a foot tall but i have kept the light close so they are bushy,may have some more questions later but for now that will work...thanx

[nick_420chronic]

dude i had the same problem.cheap isnt always best.go to ur closest hydroponic store and get dnf gro.when u use stuff like u r using normally its to strong and lacks in a lot of fertz that u need.its not a lot like 20 bucks for 2 bottle and they will last for at least 2 crops.but im telling u that u need and flush ur plants befor using it.ur plants will grow faster and u will notice a huge change in ur leaves in about a week.try it u wont be dissappointed:D

[hazzey35]

thanx for imfo nick i will not use this stuff again you can bet on that.

[xcrispi]

yep m/g sux .
even if you are able to finish a grow w/ the crap , ohhhhhhhh god does it taste awful . i couldn't even flush all of it out before harvesting . you might have good luck w/ gen. hydro. 3 part at 1/4 strength every feeding or full strength every 3rd. feeding .
peace
crispi

[Garden Knowm]

Hazzey...

I am assuming that you are talking about MG soil and not MG nutrients..

If you are using MG soil.. it is important to KNOW that the staring Ph of the soil is about 5.0 .. this means that you need to water with 8.0 water for 2-5 waterings.... this will bring the pH of the soil back up to 6.0 - 7.0...

This IS VERY important!!!

if you post a picture I can help you more...

ye, transplanting to a different soil will help.. but pH ing water is VITAL.

and NOW you KNOWM

http://www.seemorebuds.com/ph/

[hazzey35]

hey Garden knowm, that video was killer thanks. I went ahead and trans planted and ph is about 6.5 and everything is looking good, you learn from your mistakes.....thats the truth....smokealotformeeee.....get pics as soon as i can between work and everything else i stay busy...thanx Knowm...

[Dutch Pimp]

Hazzey...

I am assuming that you are talking about MG soil and not MG nutrients..

If you are using MG soil.. it is important to KNOW that the staring Ph of the soil is about 5.0 .. this means that you need to water with 8.0 water for 2-5 waterings.... this will bring the pH of the soil back up to 6.0 - 7.0...

This IS VERY important!!!

if you post a picture I can help you more...

ye, transplanting to a different soil will help.. but pH ing water is VITAL.

and NOW you KNOWM

http://www.seemorebuds.com/ph/

..I used MG soil and MG nutes...(but don't tell anyone..it's OK if you know what you are doing)

..my well water PH is 7.4....is this enough?

[Garden Knowm]

Hello Mr. PIMP..

careful using the nutes and the soil. The MG soil usually comes with LOTS and LOTS of nutrients already in the mix...

7.4 on a regular basis....? NOT SURE... How long have you been growing the plants? What do they look like? I would BET that they will be fine...

I am interested in seeing how your grow tunrs out..

cheers
GK

[the yeag]

I really like the mg organic soil....i mix with mushroom compost and lots of perlite...then just add a little Alaska fish Pooh from time to time and a dash of bat Pooh twords the end with some molasses





this is most peeps problems noob growing

[hazzey35]

im going to try blackstrap molasses myself i have a friend who uses it not sure on how much to use if anyone can tell me that would be great i was told a teaspoon per gallon is this correct...

[the yeag]

thats what they say one per gallon every two weeks...i make a concentrate by boiling on the stove with a cup of water..then i add to cool water a half gallon and feed every other feedind thru the flower stage....so i guess i use twice as much and at least twice as often

[stinkyattic]

Yeag that's a great mix and a great idea for the molasses concentrate. My house is always too cold and I can't get it to pour... I'll do just that and get it more flowy.
Combining molasses with Sweet that has the catalysts for its synthesis into plant tissue is even more productive.

[hazzey35]

i will try your way yeag sounds like a good one thanx

[the yeag]

no problem bud:jointsmile:



even the wise were once noobs.....well mabye:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

Hello Mr. PIMP..

careful using the nutes and the soil. The MG soil usually comes with LOTS and LOTS of nutrients already in the mix...

7.4 on a regular basis....? NOT SURE... How long have you been growing the plants? What do they look like? I would BET that they will be fine...

I am interested in seeing how your grow tunrs out..

cheers
GK

...my first grow finished in JAN 06...using MG soil and MG nutes...

..1/4 strength all thru the grow...just trying to fine tune my techniques...

..the taste could have been better...but my friends say I have no taste away..

..except for all the fan leaves falling off just before harvest...everything went fine...

...crippling high.....white widow/white rhino...

[Garden Knowm]

..
..1/4 strength all thru the grow...just trying to fine tune my techniques...

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..except for all the fan leaves falling off just before harvest...everything went fine...

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Great INFO!!!

The fans leaves falling off is 100% normal (last 14 days of flowering)

this is a great thread!!!

cheers

[kindprincess]

i use a mix of mg garden soil and lots of bacto, and some coarse sand. i use mg nutes for veg (once or twice, depending, 1/4 strength, 24/8/16). i recycle soil, so i don't realy have to worry about nutes until flower, but i've use mg on my outdoor grows for years, and i've nothing but good things to say about it. just don't use in the last three weeks of flower, or you'll get a realy perfumy product.

yeag? i love you babe;) "even the wise were once noobs"

btw yeag, do you remember me yet?

love, kp:p

[hazzey35]

so to me it sounds like if you have some grows under your belt that it can be done with mg. To me i guess it was a learning process. You really have to know what u are doing with the nute's and other shit though but it is teaching me alot so i guess thats a good thing. Everything u told me so far has worked out great so thanks to all... i was wondering , they are about 5 weeks and almost 2 feet tall can i start 12/12 now or should i veg longer, they also have been lsting since they where about three weeks so they are shooting all over the place, (bag seed) not sure on strain.