Metal Grinders=metal alloy in your lungs.

[Kindbud]

I just wanted to do a sort of follow up on that kief grinder thread. The common spacecase metal 3 chamber grinders create mass amounts of friction when used. For all who own one, unscrew the middle chamber,and run your index finger across the main threading of the grinder. When I owned one, and did this ,a massive amount off aluminum shrapnel came off the threading . Mine was a 130$ spacecase grinder, I've seen low end 50$ kief catchers ,and can only imagine.. Not only do smoke organic buds ,but this is why I try to keep all my smoking habits as 'organic' as possible ; wood>metal. Stay stoned everybody.

:rastasmoke:

[johnnyAKABob]

i have a £10 kif catcher and no metal flakes have ever come off it

[pixel]

i use a plastic grinder so i don't have to worry about this luckily. i was definitely planning on buying a new steel grinder in the near future but i think i'll keep using my shitty but functional plastic one now.

[aznson01]

i dont no what ur talking about, u must have a shitty grinder or something, if that was the case it woulda been discovered a while ago... i htink u just got ripped off

[duckfool]

There's not a hint of metal anywhere on my grinder after much use. It must just be the one you own.

Also chances are the wood used to make your wooden grinder has been chemically treated when the wood was being dried, and to make it last longer - wetting agent, dry-aid, varnish, formaldehyde, sodium benzoate, etc.

Also, a lighter never gets hot enough to sublimate aluminum or steel. It's impossible to inhale any vapor from thier use.

Look around your house. Your cookware, parts fo the element on your stove, the element in your kettle. They are all made from steel. There is a reason for this - it is inert and under operating temperatures do not get hot enough to sublimate gaseous metal - and thats based on real life scientific application, not stoner psuedo-knowledge.

[everlyj23]

very well put duckfool....and yea don't you think this news would have come out a long time ago if grinders were flaking all over the place?

[slipknotpsycho]

my grinder's made out of lucite, which is a very very hard plastic, so i don't have to worry about this either.

[ghettoBlunt]

i thought i saw some in mine when i was really baked, but upon further investigation it looked like some white kief off of this dank bud i had....and how much harm would such a small amount of metal do anyway, and it wouldnt matter if you smoked it through a bong--correct?

[smoke it]

ya, and Marlboro Reds=cancer in your lungs, but i still dont give a fuck

[Kindbud]

You guys can choose to ignore it. I didn't get ripped off,spacecase make high end metal kief catcher/grinders. You can choose to ignore it , or simply run your index finger over the outer threading on the grinder, check it out. Later

[Kindbud]

There's not a hint of metal anywhere on my grinder after much use. It must just be the one you own.

Also chances are the wood used to make your wooden grinder has been chemically treated when the wood was being dried, and to make it last longer - wetting agent, dry-aid, varnish, formaldehyde, sodium benzoate, etc.

Also, a lighter never gets hot enough to sublimate aluminum or steel. It's impossible to inhale any vapor from thier use.

Look around your house. Your cookware, parts fo the element on your stove, the element in your kettle. They are all made from steel. There is a reason for this - it is inert and under operating temperatures do not get hot enough to sublimate gaseous metal - and thats based on real life scientific application, not stoner psuedo-knowledge.

Wow, ok.. First off all HARDENED steel made for stovetops is a completely different material /SUBJECT ! I'm not trying to start an arguement here. Secondly I don't think nirvana seed company would use formaldehyde or dryaid in their wood ! Man are you just trying to argue? The friction caused by the grinding causes aluminum to flake... Run your finger on the outer side of any HIGH END quality kief collector/grinder,and notice the shiny glimmers of shrapnel. Who knows ,maybe it was just the one I bought ...:rasta:

[khoa]

what about metal pipes

[duckfool]

Wow, ok.. First off all HARDENED steel made for stovetops is a completely different material /SUBJECT !

They aren't made from hardened steel, just your run of the mill untempered mild steel. But anyway, I'm not just trying to argue, I just think its something really silly to worry about.


Secondly I don't think nirvana seed company would use formaldehyde or dryaid in their wood !

Nirvana seeds don't prepare the wood they use to make thier grinders. In fact, chances are they don't even make the grinders, but rather have them made by someone else and then branded with thier logo.


Run your finger on the outer side of any HIGH END quality kief collector/grinder,and notice the shiny glimmers of shrapnel.

Just did. Nothing!

There should be enough clearance inbetween the parts that move past eachother for that not to happen. If your grinder is doing this, maybe you should xchange it, or try a different one.

[S.P.Q.R.]

what about metal pipes

What about them? He's not saying metal's particularly bad to smoke with.. he's just saying his grinder might be getting metal flakes into his bud.

[BobBong]

What about filters? screens? the pot itself? water in a bong?

There's a lot of things that will stop these few "shavings" from getting into your mouth let alone , lungs.

[suhl]

There's not a hint of metal anywhere on my grinder after much use. It must just be the one you own.

Also chances are the wood used to make your wooden grinder has been chemically treated when the wood was being dried, and to make it last longer - wetting agent, dry-aid, varnish, formaldehyde, sodium benzoate, etc.

Also, a lighter never gets hot enough to sublimate aluminum or steel. It's impossible to inhale any vapor from thier use.

Look around your house. Your cookware, parts fo the element on your stove, the element in your kettle. They are all made from steel. There is a reason for this - it is inert and under operating temperatures do not get hot enough to sublimate gaseous metal - and thats based on real life scientific application, not stoner psuedo-knowledge.

this sounds about right. i think if people were inhaling all those metal flakes then we would have weed related health problems which would be highly publicized. if the guy that made this thread wants to present some actual proof, as in cases of people using metal grinders, preferably more than one since thousands and thousands of people use them, having additional lung problems

[partcleguy]

I've had the same problem. First time I saw it, I threw away my grinder (a cheap aluminum grinder). Having aluminum shavings in your lungs is no laughing matter. You can look up the material safety sheet, but it can lead to some bad problems over time. Its not worth debating if its for personal health. You gotta think long term here, people. We all know we're going to be smoking weed for years and years :rastasmoke:

[nikweiser]

130$ for a grinder?

[LIP]

wooden ones rock the shit, or a plastic one. Simple is best, fuck it, a coffee grinder.... no efffort lol!

[khoa]

What about them? He's not saying metal's particularly bad to smoke with.. he's just saying his grinder might be getting metal flakes into his bud.

i was trying to get at the point that aluminum would not be able to vaporize at such a low temperature. So it would stay solid, if it gets sucked through the bowl before you dump out the ash, it would probably get stuck in the resin before it entered your mouth. Even if it entered your lungs, these visible flakes are probably big enough that your cilia will eventually brush them out.
that's my logic at least.

[LIP]

i was trying to get at the point that aluminum would not be able to vaporize at such a low temperature. So it would stay solid, if it gets sucked through the bowl before you dump out the ash, it would probably get stuck in the resin before it entered your mouth. Even if it entered your lungs, these visible flakes are probably big enough that your cilia will eventually brush them out.
that's my logic at least.

I for one think you are 100% right. It's NOTHING to worry about, and as someone said up there ^, if you metal grinder is making THAT much friction, it cant be top end... I have a grass leaf metal grinder and it works perfectly, i love it, and best of all, NO shavings...

www.grassleaf.com

[Kindbud]

What about filters? screens? the pot itself? water in a bong?

There's a lot of things that will stop these few "shavings" from getting into your mouth let alone , lungs.

man..sarcasm is awesome.. this is cannabis.com for you.. just tried to make a post. ok guys. do what you want .

[everlyj23]

are you crying

[420purplehaze420]

$130 for a potentially cancerous grinder? I have a coffee grinder that cost me 7 bucks 2 years ago, nothing but fresh tasty weed coming out of that thing, go to the appliance section at wal-mart, they'll get you hooked up.

If I seen metal shavings in my grinder id chuck it to, for what its worth.

[Dutch Pimp]

...sorry..I am a noob on this subject....why do you grind your weed into dust?..

...seems unnatural to me...??...from a J point of view...old school smoker...

[orangeman]

My grinder is made out of human skin, nails and a little bit of bones...no I don't have a skin grinder, I'm talking about my hands :p.

[Dutch Pimp]

...I would never trust my J...to a "machine".......have a nice day..:)...question answered..thanks..orange..dude..

[Not Enough Herb]

powder weed is better in bongs in bowls

all you gotta do is spark it once and thats it

i think its better because your keeping as much thc in your bud as possible

[lil josh]

honetly might have just been a 1 of my grinder was £7 at my local sunday market and i dont get any of this metal shit

[exiled247]

that's why i don't use grinders... i've heard of people talking about metal flakes so i just chose to break it down as much as possible with my fingers...

[Platinum Plus]

i got a metal grinder, no shavings have come off it
but if you got some flimsy ass grinder then your fucked i guess
i say you should be able to tell if the grinder will work well
when you first look at it or feel it...

[synesthetic]

I use a plastic grinder, would that cause problems?

[slipknotpsycho]

mines lucite (i think i mentioned that) which is plastic.. basicly... so no...

[Greenhit]

A quality grinder won't leave any contaminants in the product. I bought a true blendz. Although when the grinder arrived in the mail there were sime small pieces of metal in the grinder I washed it out and haven't seen one since. I see cheap chrome looking grinders start to flake but high quality anodized alluminum grinders don't.

[bulletz144]

duckfool pwnd this topic.

[Eazy]

kind bud ur a gd mate and i think every one is in a chew ur ass off mood


that sucks man i got a grassleaf grinder its okay but the tornado one i haev gave me crapy metal in my bud as well i just roll my joints and push the filter(rolled cardboard here uk name roach but most slang that means diff so meh) and fold a bit of the paper over it makes me feel better, prob dnt do shit but i tlike to think i tried

[robbyg]

This is the reason why I am about to buy a Titanium Space Case grinder. $30 online for a 60mm, can't go wrong! It was $70 at my local joint

[bfaded]

a properly machined grinder should not cause metal flakes

if you are getting flakes yours might be defective or or got smacked into which caused the two halves to go out of synch

i currently have a grinder made out of high impact plastic, guaranteed to never break

before that i had a two stage aluminum grinder my friend (a machinist) made for me, that thing was the tits, but unfortunately i got stoned and left it in the woods when i went camping

[colour86]

i have one of those cromium crushers off ebay (3pc) and never see any flakes. works smooth and flawless. has to be the type of grinder.

[FUNKNUGGET]

never seen this before, i have a metal sharpstone grinder

[Ub3rB0ng]

its not ground into dust, its more like finely shredded like tobacco you see in cigarrettes.makes it smoke more efficiently and you dont have to use as much weed.

[Rapidfire187]

Question.

How would the metal get into your lungs? I understand that you're saying that there's little pieces of metal that flake off into your weed eventually, which may be true, but the temperature that you're burning the weed at doesn't actually burn the metal. I would think that if you don't get pieces of weed in your lungs, you wouldn't get any metal in them either. Logically, any metal grains would just not burn, and get flicked with the ashes.

I mean, I haven't done any experiments or anything...I'm just looking at it from a common sense point of view. If I missed something please point it out so that nobody reads my shit and gets a false sense of security.

[606x808x303x420]

all i have is this thing 3" 4 Piece Herb Grinder Ying & Yang - VaporizerDealer - Herb Vaporizers & Tobacco Grinders (http://www.vaporizerdealer.com/products/3-4-piece-herb-grinder-ying-yang)
http://static2.jadedpixel.com/s/files/1/0004/9101/products/untitled_1_large.jpg
and im scratching all of the grinding part and the lid with my finger nail, and nothing is comming off...

[robo scat]

I stopped reading this thread at one point but thanks kind bud for sharing a problem you've had in an effort to keep us fellow stoners in good health! I'm gonna check my grinder because I never paid for it, I'm assuming its relatively cheap. I also noticed that the aluminum coating is beginning to flake off from the friction on the outside, which may mean the inside is the same way.

Blaze on!

[kman]

"This is the reason why I am about to buy a Titanium Space Case grinder. $30 online for a 60mm, can't go wrong! It was $70 at my local joint"

except thats the same kinda grinder kind buds was talking about.....lol

[TormentedImp]

yea, i doubt either of you has or are getting legit spacecase grinders, they shouldnt be that expensive, nor that cheap, and spacecase is 100% CNC'd metal, if it can make it through that rigorous machining process id doubt theyd flake wen u were grindin some bud

[Tony1234567890]

I own a machine shop and metal is my life.

Rubbing two pieces of aluminum will NOT cause it to flake off. Technically it will but that is only in an industrial application (heavy load, lots of speed). Turning it by hand however will not have enough load (weight) or enough speed to cause damage to the metal.

The bud will act like a lubricant, kind of. The bud gets smashed/ground and the residue is on the piece. Regardless how dry your weed is, it contains "some" moisture and or oils. No worries.

If this were true, you can self destruct your grinder in a matter of hours. Just keep moving the parts together until the entire device decintegrates.

[ToDrunkToFish]

Nice Tony.

I got a spacecase. And ive never seen a flake of metal or anything come off it and ive had this thing for a long time.

I got keif all stuck in the cracks so even if they do 'rub' or whatever at least ill get keif flakes that have been compressed like 1000 times.

[Ub3rB0ng]

My Chromium Crusher 4 piece doesnt have any issues with that,they must have messed up making it.I'm a machinist as well.

[WaZ]

I paid $17 for a Chromium Crusher grinder online. It's made out of steel/zinc alloy. No shavings.

[anfonee]

no metal shavings in my grinder, although i've only used it for about a month.