Mormonism...

[BigNugs4U]

... What do you all think of it?

Cult?
Occult?
Pagan?
Holy?

[MastaChronic]

a load of bullshit. i think all religions are made up pieces of dung that are designed to give people hope, keep them in line and let them shove their problem off onto a made up, magical, invisible man in the sky that protects them from evil.

[smoke it]

^^^wat he said^^^

[thcbongman]

It's definitely occult. When I was in SLC, I went and saw their "convention center." If you are non-mormon, you aren't allowed in the church, which is what I really wanted to see. In the convention center, I learned a bit about their philosophy. The story of Joseph Smith and how he found the golden plates is wack, but it's interesting how they claimed after Jesus was crucified, the people living in South America got the gospel from Jesus before he rises to heaven. Then some huge battle ensues. Of all the major sects of christianity, mormons are by far the most inclusive and "rational," in terms of how they believe in Heaven and Hell. In many christian sects, if you don't believe or heard of the teachings of Jesus, you go to hell. In mormonism, if you haven't heard of Jesus you go into basically limbo until you submit to the teachings of jesus, then you go to heaven.

Wacky religion, but the mormons I came across are compassionate, good people. A lot of them are just too high on Jesus.

[LuckyNiner]

I dated a Mormon girl for 9 long months.

Now, she was gorgeous, and we had some major chemistry.

In that time, though, I learned more about Mormonism than I ever wanted to know.

Their religion is extremely sexist, not to mention racist...until about 25 years ago, black men could not be ordained as Mormon priests.

It's a fucking cult, indeed...one that terrifies me nearly as much as Islam.

[Cheery Cherry]

I'd say it's a cult. From what I've heard and read about mormons, sounds so unreal to me. I'd love to meet one in person.

[RichieRich]

Its a cult.

[twist n shout]

I think its a state of mind.Your faith or beliefs comes from the heart,so who really knows?

[LuckyNiner]

I think its a state of mind.Your faith or beliefs comes from the heart,so who really knows?

No, not in most cases.

The only reason the majority of people belong to one organized religion or another is simple:



They were raised that way.


Think about it.

Why is someone Catholic or Protestant, Shiite or Sunni? Chances are it's because their parents follow that religion. Now, they probably feel that their religion is the right one, the true one, etc., but it's luck of the draw..what if they hadn't been born rich, white, and evangelical? Any Catholic could have just as easily been born into an Islamic family, and then they'd be praying 5 times a day instead of eating crackers and drinking wine.

Of course there are people who choose to belong to one religion or another, for reasons of their own. But those cases are rarer than the billions who were simply raised by religious parents.

[Oneironaut]

It's true, in most cases the religion one has is just as incidental as the language one speaks.

As for Mormonism, it is yet another crazy racist superstition, a memetic virus that has unfortunately taken over the brains of millions. Here's a funny video about an atheist who goes door-to-door in Utah pushing his beliefs in the faces of people who are trying to sleep, to make a point about how annoying it is when Mormons do that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew0BglfzZ3c

[Pass That Shit]

They are no different than any other religion. It's the blind leading the blind. Open your eyes to the LORD.
Stay tuned for the revelation of Jesus. ;)

[OniEhtRedrum781]

I'll tell you what the real crazy religion is... Scientology... seriously, what the fuck?

[Hamlet]

Their religion is extremely sexist, not to mention racist...until about 25 years ago, black men could not be ordained as Mormon priests.

That's because they believe black skin is the mark of Cain.

[BigNugs4U]

Yes, it is known as the curse of the seed of cain doctrine. it was abandoned in 1978. They believe that if you were born with dark skin, it is because you were a bad person in the pre existence. They do have many weird teachings which they dont tell you at first, maybe not even until after many years do you learn of some of them:



God lives on a planet near the star named Kolob

God has a tangible body and was a man like us

We can all be gods and rule our own universes

One must go through an endowment ceremony that was somewhat controversial and changed in 1990 for that reason.

After going through endowment ( a weird ceremony shrouded in secrecy), one must wear at all times sacred undergarments which are weird looking. They are supposed to protect you from evil. I will try to attach a picture.

At the endowment ceremony, you will be taught some secret handshakes which will be necessary for you to get into heaven

Mormons may not discuss, even among themselves, the endowment ceremony for it is considered to be too sacred to discuss. Its just so weird of a ceremony that they know it can turn many people away from mormonism.

I have talked to someone i know that was raised mormon and gave it up at the age of 18. He says he is convinced it is a cult. His parents are still mormon but he doesnt want his kids growing up in it. It is a crazy ass religion indeed.

[BigNugs4U]

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[BigNugs4U]

It's true, in most cases the religion one has is just as incidental as the language one speaks.

As for Mormonism, it is yet another crazy racist superstition, a memetic virus that has unfortunately taken over the brains of millions. Here's a funny video about an atheist who goes door-to-door in Utah pushing his beliefs in the faces of people who are trying to sleep, to make a point about how annoying it is when Mormons do that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew0BglfzZ3c

Yes that video is funny

[MyNamesBud]

I have talked to someone i know that was raised mormon and gave it up at the age of 18. He says he is convinced it is a cult. His parents are still mormon but he doesnt want his kids growing up in it. It is a crazy ass religion indeed.

Sounds exactly like me. I live just outside SLC and my whole family was raised mormon. All of my siblings hate it and none are even mormon anymore. It really is like a cult (but not as bad as some of the crazy-ass offshoots). The people are all really super nice or really super judgemental and condescending. I'm not a member anymore, but I do know quite a bit and would be glad to talk to anyone about it :)

[BigNugs4U]

Sounds exactly like me. I live just outside SLC and my whole family was raised mormon. All of my siblings hate it and none are even mormon anymore. It really is like a cult (but not as bad as some of the crazy-ass offshoots). The people are all really super nice or really super judgemental and condescending. I'm not a member anymore, but I do know quite a bit and would be glad to talk to anyone about it :)

Can you offer input on the information i previously posted? About the beliefs, that is.

[MyNamesBud]

Can you offer input on the information i previously posted? About the beliefs, that is.

They teach all those in their doctrine. I've heard of the weird endowment ceremony, but I don't really know anything about it because it happens at marriage. The spouses can know theirs together, but can't tell anyone else about it. I asked my parents about it when I was little but they said satan would steal their souls somehow... so... It's really weird. :rasta: Wanna know anything else?

[MyNamesBud]

And you learn all of those teachings (without any details on the endowment except that it "is one of the most important things in the church) at a young age starting at maybe 4 or 5

[d4veg]

I dated a Mormon girl for 9 long months.

Now, she was gorgeous, and we had some major chemistry.

In that time, though, I learned more about Mormonism than I ever wanted to know.

Their religion is extremely sexist, not to mention racist...until about 25 years ago, black men could not be ordained as Mormon priests.

It's a fucking cult, indeed...one that terrifies me nearly as much as Islam.

Islam is like the same as Christianity...I guess they are all scary :o

[orange floyd]

mormonism is a load of BS from what ive heard. pointless religion.

[BigNugs4U]

From what i understand;
Joseph Smith joined freemasonry sometime in the 1830's. He subsequently "borrowed" some of the procedures and applied them to the endowment ceremony. For example, the oath taken which states that if the person taking the oath reveals any of that information to any one else, they would suffer no less penalty than death...
This was revised as of 1990. Also part of the revision, women would have to swear total obedience to their husbands and the men would swear total obedience to God and to the brethren.

[BigNugs4U]

Were you at all familiar with any or all of the doctrines i posted previously. I spoke to a woman who was actually at the LDS church near my house. She confirmed for me pretty much all of them except the one about dark skin. Maybe because that was abandoned in 1978. She also seemed surprised that i knew all of this as an outsider. She was happy to talk with me nonetheless and i was sure to remain respectfull, after all, nobody likes to be ridiculed for their beliefs.

[BigNugs4U]

They teach all those in their doctrine. I've heard of the weird endowment ceremony, but I don't really know anything about it because it happens at marriage. The spouses can know theirs together, but can't tell anyone else about it. I asked my parents about it when I was little but they said satan would steal their souls somehow... so... It's really weird. :rasta: Wanna know anything else?

Are your parents still mormon? Have you ever asked them anything about it recently?

[xblackdogx]

From what i understand;
Joseph Smith joined freemasonry sometime in the 1830's. He subsequently "borrowed" some of the procedures and applied them to the endowment ceremony. For example, the oath taken which states that if the person taking the oath reveals any of that information to any one else, they would suffer no less penalty than death...
This was revised as of 1990. Also part of the revision, women would have to swear total obedience to their husbands and the men would swear total obedience to God and to the brethren.

Right on w/ your Freemasonry info...
There's mormon kids that go door to door that I tried telling this to, maybe next time i'll let them talk first (so i can get my point across, LOL)

Also, during the procedures during the endowment ceremony, ALL the participants wear the fig leaf, representing respect for the serpent for giving wisdom!!

RELIGION IS THE CAUSE OF SO MUCH HATRED IN THE WORLD-- THE WORDS IN ALL TEXTS PROMOTE INJUSTICE TO OTHERS -- and Christianity promotes WAYYYY more hatred than Islam (to whoever said islam scares them)

[BigNugs4U]

Right on w/ your Freemasonry info...
There's mormon kids that go door to door that I tried telling this to, maybe next time i'll let them talk first (so i can get my point across, LOL)

Also, during the procedures during the endowment ceremony, ALL the participants wear the fig leaf, representing respect for the serpent for giving wisdom!!

RELIGION IS THE CAUSE OF SO MUCH HATRED IN THE WORLD-- THE WORDS IN ALL TEXTS PROMOTE INJUSTICE TO OTHERS -- and Christianity promotes WAYYYY more hatred than Islam (to whoever said islam scares them)

so did they not know what you were talking about with freemasonry? I would love for mormons to knock on my door so i can discuss these things with them. Where are they when u want them?
the serpent giving wisdom? I have seen the green leaf apron, didnt know that was what it meant.

[MyNamesBud]

Are your parents still mormon? Have you ever asked them anything about it recently?
Yeah, they both still are. I went to church with my mom today for the Christmas program actually (She made me, I'm only 17 lol). I forgot how weird it actually was. I havent asked them about it in maybe 10 years though. Just kinda lost interest I guess

[BigNugs4U]

they dont make you go more regularly? Usually Mormons strongly encourage the family to go together. Are you parents more lax? What was weird about the recent service?

[MyNamesBud]

They used to make me go every week, but I pretty much just told them how I felt about it and they just said it was my choice. So yeah, they're not very devout, but they're devout enough I guess. Everyone always cries all the time at meetings and it's just a really uncomfortable time for an hour and a half. Today I was just really baked and at every meeting they pass around a sacrament of bread and water (which I stopped taking because it's pretty much a promise to god that you'll be good the next week) and I just stared at all the little cups of water for a long time when it got to me and everyone was staring at me. I just sorta laughed and passed it to the next person when I noticed.

[xblackdogx]

so did they not know what you were talking about with freemasonry? I would love for mormons to knock on my door so i can discuss these things with them. Where are they when u want them?
the serpent giving wisdom? I have seen the green leaf apron, didnt know that was what it meant.

1. i was telling them about the practices when they reach the "enlightened" stage of mormonism and said it the procedures were derived from freemasonry practices-- one walked away, the other was just confused.
2. they just may be a knocking on your door one day :D
3. Pretty sure that's the symbolism w/ the fig leaf-- after all, in Genesis he condemned them for wearing that leaft and kicked them out of the garden of eden for it; why would one put it back on.. [and knowing the ties b/w freemasonry and occultism I can say PRETTY POSITIVELY that the fig leaf means nothing good!!

[BigNugs4U]

So what else do they do/say at the services?

[BigNugs4U]

1. i was telling them about the practices when they reach the "enlightened" stage of mormonism and said it the procedures were derived from freemasonry practices-- one walked away, the other was just confused.
2. they just may be a knocking on your door one day :D
3. Pretty sure that's the symbolism w/ the fig leaf-- after all, in Genesis he condemned them for wearing that leaft and kicked them out of the garden of eden for it; why would one put it back on.. [and knowing the ties b/w freemasonry and occultism I can say PRETTY POSITIVELY that the fig leaf means nothing good!!


It seems like the one that walked away knew something the other guy did not. Then what happened? They just left? I porbably wouldnt let them just walk away.

[MastaChronic]

So what else do they do/say at the services?

oh, you know...jesus this, joseph smith that, nephi hit me with a wiffleball bat......

[BigNugs4U]

who is nephi?

[BigNugs4U]

ok just looked it up.

[clammy801]

i live in utah and have been baptized i am totally inactive but i know what that shit is all about its wierd and im inactive because of the people in the church and not knowing if its true it does seem like a cult and mormons are so fucking judgemental its funny that goes against their teachings

[clammy801]

i was baptized at 8 (now23) wasnt even really aware of what that meant i was playing with ninja turtles back then for fuck sakes

[MastaChronic]

who is nephi?

who is nephi? ive just heard the name in association with mormonism.
you looked it up, please tell me.

[clammy801]

nephi has been spoke of in the bible or book of mormon or both has sections in it supposedly very righteous all i know

[clammy801]

is that twiztid with the whole magic ninjas thing

[clammy801]

psychopathic ryda

[MastaChronic]

is that twiztid with the whole magic ninjas thing

word, you can see J in the back if you look closely
magic magic ninjaz whut!

[BigNugs4U]

i am not sure if nephi is mentioned in the bible, but he was supposedly a prophet and the first two books in the book of mormon are about him and his father or other relative named Lehi.

Utah, huh? mormon capital as they say.
I did not think there are many non mormons in Utah. A friend of mine lived there for a couple months but came back to So Cal afterwards. He told me him and another friend would hang out with some white dudes from Utah and one of the guy's dad was some kind of politician, anyways they would all get high every day and the politician's son would always be on deck with all kinds of liquor.

[BigNugs4U]

I specify white dudes only because the others were non white, but tell me that most of the people in Utah happen to be white and he never saw a black man or woman there. Also, i have noticed that the majority of mormons that i have come across are white as well. They do also go worldwide to try to recruit.

[BigNugs4U]

Im sure there are at least a few black folk in Utah, theres the Utah Jazz team after all.

[BigNugs4U]

are there any mormons or freemasons in the house?

[BigNugs4U]

Lurking perhaps

[spastic12]

Were you at all familiar with any or all of the doctrines i posted previously. I spoke to a woman who was actually at the LDS church near my house. She confirmed for me pretty much all of them except the one about dark skin. Maybe because that was abandoned in 1978. She also seemed surprised that i knew all of this as an outsider. She was happy to talk with me nonetheless and i was sure to remain respectfull, after all, nobody likes to be ridiculed for their beliefs.

The thing about dark skin is true. It is still in the Book of Mormon (2nd book of Nephi). They still teach it. In fact, they also say that the lighter your skin is, the purer you are, and that those who are cursed will be able to go to the "celestial kingdom", but they will always be of service (slaves) to those who are pure. If you want to know anything about the alleged 'curse of Cain,' you can look it up in the index under any terms that might be related, like : skin, black, curse, skin color, etc. I know because I am Black person in Utah. No I am not Mormon, as I refuse to belong to any racist organization even if it is in my favor. The next time you speak to the woman who lives near you regarding the LDS faith, you should cite references to this "curse." I bet she'll start to change her tone, and she might even avoid you.
I've done this many times when I am approached by missionaries. It really bothers me when missionaries treat me as a future prospect. When I tell them about their religion, and how they should be ashamed of themselves for promoting such a racist, hateful religion, they get uneasy, and really nervous.

Then I ask them if they can find anything that rebukes my argument, then they can come back and show me.

They never return.

[clammy801]

some mormons definately dont live any different from the rest of fucked up society im surroun ded by mormans as i speak not in my house or nothing but all fucking over they are closed minded and self righteous i refused to go to a lds church the day before christmas

[Hamlet]

The thing about dark skin is true. It is still in the Book of Mormon (2nd book of Nephi). They still teach it. In fact, they also say that the lighter your skin is, the purer you are,

Now this just helped me figure something out. I always wondered why so many Mormons were blonde, especially the women. I new they thought black skin was the mark of Cain, but until now I never put it together.

[Ballinnn]

HAHA...well this is funny. My dad is mormon my mom isnt. So i never was baptized thanks ot my mom. Then they got divorced. Anyways i got into too much trouble living with my mom so the courts sent me with my dad. I go to church every sunday and youth activities. Still not a member. Been going my WHOLE LIFE! And ive never heard any of this stuff before. I even lived in SLC for a little while. Now houston. Ive heard all kinds of crazy stuff. Like mormon girls that have sex get burned on a cross to death haha that was in the classroom at school. And that mormon girls take it in the bung hole so there future husband dont find out and keep there virginity. Give me more questions to ask peolpe at church they dont like me anyways because they know i was incarcerated as a juvenial im 17. And thats why im here looking for UA tips.

[Ballinnn]

It's definitely occult. When I was in SLC, I went and saw their "convention center." If you are non-mormon, you aren't allowed in the church, which is what I really wanted to see. In the convention center, I learned a bit about their philosophy. The story of Joseph Smith and how he found the golden plates is wack, but it's interesting how they claimed after Jesus was crucified, the people living in South America got the gospel from Jesus before he rises to heaven. Then some huge battle ensues. Of all the major sects of christianity, mormons are by far the most inclusive and "rational," in terms of how they believe in Heaven and Hell. In many christian sects, if you don't believe or heard of the teachings of Jesus, you go to hell. In mormonism, if you haven't heard of Jesus you go into basically limbo until you submit to the teachings of jesus, then you go to heaven.

Wacky religion, but the mormons I came across are compassionate, good people. A lot of them are just too high on Jesus.

You arnet allowed in the temple but are in the churches. I was in a temple once but it was before it was dedicated so anywhole can go. Its beatiful inside, i was high haha. And yes mormons are very judgemental but very nice people.

[Ballinnn]

I dated a Mormon girl for 9 long months.

Now, she was gorgeous, and we had some major chemistry.

In that time, though, I learned more about Mormonism than I ever wanted to know.

Their religion is extremely sexist, not to mention racist...until about 25 years ago, black men could not be ordained as Mormon priests.

It's a fucking cult, indeed...one that terrifies me nearly as much as Islam.

ive never heard of a mormon strapping himself with explosives.
ive never heard of a mormon flying a plane into a building.
haha this stuff is great.

[Ballinnn]

No, not in most cases.

The only reason the majority of people belong to one organized religion or another is simple:



They were raised that way.


Think about it.

Why is someone Catholic or Protestant, Shiite or Sunni? Chances are it's because their parents follow that religion. Now, they probably feel that their religion is the right one, the true one, etc., but it's luck of the draw..what if they hadn't been born rich, white, and evangelical? Any Catholic could have just as easily been born into an Islamic family, and then they'd be praying 5 times a day instead of eating crackers and drinking wine.

Of course there are people who choose to belong to one religion or another, for reasons of their own. But those cases are rarer than the billions who were simply raised by religious parents.

Very true if it wasnt for my non-member mom i'd definitley been a member its easy to wanna fit in as a kid im mean your parents choose your friends and you;d wanna be one kinda. Thoese kids are brainwashed most of them. Ive blazed with a few mormon kids in my life though.

[MastaChronic]

heres a little food for thought (although chances are we've all thought of it)
mormon is just moron with an M added to it.

[Ballinnn]

O yea my great great great grandfather praticed poligamy. I was ready my grandmas biography shes an old school moivve actor name on the hollywood walk of fame and all. Laurine Day check it out. My GGGG grandfather as a child job was to run threw the mormon town when the marshalls were coming doing the Pual revere act hahaha i thought that was funny as fucc.

[Ballinnn]

Actually if you ever read the bible a guys name was moron. And they liked to be called latter day saints LDS.

[MastaChronic]

Late Dick Suckers
nobody likes a late dick sucker, theyre always late and by then you dont have a stiffy

[Ballinnn]

heres a little food for thought (although chances are we've all thought of it)
mormon is just moron with an M added to it.

dont be mad cuze you smoked yourself retarted and your permafried u dont add the M u take it away

[Ballinnn]

nevermind im the permafried one haha o shit damn

[Hamlet]

ive never heard of a mormon strapping himself with explosives.
ive never heard of a mormon flying a plane into a building.
haha this stuff is great.

You missed the stories on the Mormon letterbombings in Utah? ..or the massacres of non-Mormons trying to settle in Utah back in the day?

But really most of the Mormons I know are great people, in a Donny and Marie sort of way. (even the one in prison for pedofilia)

I work for Mormons and they're always trying to convert me, so I'm curious about the freakier sides of their beliefs...so do go on.

[JunkYard]

O yea my great great great grandfather praticed poligamy. I was ready my grandmas biography shes an old school moivve actor name on the hollywood walk of fame and all. Laurine Day check it out. My GGGG grandfather as a child job was to run threw the mormon town when the marshalls were coming doing the Pual revere act hahaha i thought that was funny as fucc.


I'm related to Pocahontas; she married John Rolfe, who is on my grandfathers side of the family, and he forced her to be baptized and to convert to Christianity before they were wed, lol! Although, this part of the story is usually left out of historical records. It usually says something so much more pleasant:

"John Rolfe was a very religious man who agonized for many weeks over the decision to marry a "strange wife," a heathen Indian. He finally decided to marry Pocahontas after she had been converted to Christianity, "for the good of the plantation, the honor of our country, for the glory of God, for mine own salvation ..." Pocahontas was baptized, christened Rebecca, and later married John Rolfe on April 5, 1614. A general peace and a spirit of goodwill between the English and the Indians resulted from this marriage."


~Junk~

[MastaChronic]

dont be mad cuze you smoked yourself retarted and your permafried u dont add the M u take it away

lol

[bongomania]

I dated a mormon. Mormons believe the angel moroni came down and spoke to joseph smith. and the angel wanted him to start a football team at BYU. but the players aren't allowed to drink any coca cola. so, then they decided to host the olympics and everyone had to stay at the marriot hotel. It really sounds like i'm stoned out of my gord, and I AM!

[BigNugs4U]

hey ballin, ask them about the beliefs i posted above. Im waiting for the oportunity to discuss it with someone because i have heard some pretty logical rebuttals/responses

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