how would you handle this

[friendowl]

if you were a lawyer or not
from the laws point of view she will
probobly get life with no parole
from a human point of view she should
be put to death by whatever means available
id turn this lady into spaghetti if given a chance

" Ohio mom held in microwave murder of baby "

Coroner links '05 death to thermal injury

BY MICHELLE CARUSO
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

An Ohio mom is suspected of murdering her baby by placing the infant in the microwave, police said yesterday.
China Arnold, 26, a Dayton mother of four, brought her dead 1-month-old daughter to a hospital a year ago. The child, who had suffered mysterious burns, died of hyperthermia - high body temperature - due to thermal injury, a coroner ruled.

"We have reason to believe, and scientific evidence to support, that a microwave oven might be involved in the death of this child," Ken Betz, director of the Montgomery County coroner's office, said yesterday.

Arnold is jailed in lieu of $1 million bail in connection with the Aug. 30, 2005, death of tiny Paris Talley, her youngest child.

Arnold, who has three sons, ages 9, 7 and 4, was arrested Monday on a warrant for a charge of aggravated murder. The case is expected to go before a grand jury next month before she can be formally charged, police said.

"I haven't seen a case like this before. It's very rare. There's no way to put words to how this can happen. It's definitely a tragedy," Dayton Police Sgt. Gary White told the Daily News.

"The baby's body had obvious burns. It's difficult to describe," said White. Arnold provided "little or no information" about how the burns occurred when she brought the dead baby to Dayton Children's Hospital, White said.

Determined investigators, including the coroner's crew who examined the infant's organs, eventually cracked the case. The microwave was seized and examined by a CSI team, White said.

The baby's father, Terrell Talley, was "ruled out" and is not a suspect in the case, White said.

But Arnold's lawyer says she's innocent.

"China Arnold is a grieving mother, mourning the loss of her child. She's in shock," attorney Jon Paul Rion said yesterday.

"When she was told that a microwave may have been used, she was in complete disbelief that anyone could do such a thing to a child or any living thing," Rion said.

The case is believed to be only the second in the nation where a household microwave was used to kill a child, investigators said. In 2000, a 20-year-old Virginia mother was convicted of killing her 5-week-old son in this manner.

[Dro_Princess]

The should make a Microwave big enough for her and put her in there for 30 seconds, and then one min. and keep going up 30 seconds so she suffers really good before she explodes. That women is sick and deserves to die a horrible death.

[timothylearyisdead]

The should make a Microwave big enough for her and put her in there for 30 seconds, and then one min. and keep going up 30 seconds so she suffers really good before she explodes. That women is sick and deserves to die a horrible death.

that is the best idea ive ever heard. that is absolutely the perfect punishment for her. it would definitely send a warning out to babie killers and prevent this from becomimg a trend.

[Polymirize]

Motive?

It seems likely that there's a large degree of mental instability at work. And as sickening as a mother microwaving her child is, the execution of the mental deficient is almost equally inexcusable.

The facts of the case aren't really clear from what posted. Is there any evidence linking her to the actual event?

[benagain]

I've heard about this lady. I'd like to know more about it. I think she's a POS and should be drug down a long dirt road with a rope tired around her feet and hands, but I wanna know more about how the baby died. I heard one report of how the baby didn't have any burn marks or external markings at all. If this is true, then I'm all kinds of confused. If it got it hot enough to cook her insides, then there would have to be some external markings. Like a bad sun burn or something. We've all seen mythbusters. We know that microwaves heat from the outside in. I want to know more, but I'm too lazy to research it myself.

[Mean Green Charlene]

Stooping to her own level only makes us just as bad as she is. Throw her in a jail cell till she rots. They really don't like people who rape//kill children in prison.
:thumbsup:

[Reefer Rogue]

Yeah, put her in a giant microwave :)

[Bong30]

Once she has been tried by a Jury of her peers.....(innocent till proven guilty)

then once she is found guilty.......microwave would be good......eye for an eye. I mean how do you kill a baby? Take it to a Firestation....OMG


Maybe she is crazy....I mean who could do that unless your crazy.

[NightProwler]

fucked up.

[benagain]

I don't think crazy is an excuse. She's gonna claim (if she hasn't allready) PPD. I say lets weed out the gene pool. Stick her on a rocket and shoot her to the moon. Plenty of room for the crazys on the moon.

[slipknotpsycho]

if you were a lawyer or not
from the laws point of view she will
probobly get life with no parole
from a human point of view she should
be put to death by whatever means available
id turn this lady into spaghetti if given a chance


life in prison without the possibility of parole, i'd also sentence her to permanant solitary confinement.... can say stick her in a microwave all yal want, but she'd be dead relatively fast, you wanna make her suffer stick her in a single room for the rest of her life. that shit drives people insane.

[Polymirize]

you wanna make her suffer stick her in a single room for the rest of her life. that shit drives people insane.

Dude, presumably she stuck her own child in a microwave. How much more of a qualifier for insanity would you need?

Why does everyone have such a hardon for capital punishment? Just because some people are inhuman doesn't mean we all have to be.

[benagain]

Why does everyone have such a hardon for capital punishment? Just because some people are inhuman doesn't mean we all have to be.

Because life is a great gift. Some people don't deserve to have it much less enjoy it. I'm sure life in prison would suck, but she would still get to live life. She would eat, sleep, move around, have opinions and maybe even laugh from time to time. Like I said, weed out the gene pool.

[slipknotpsycho]

Dude, presumably she stuck her own child in a microwave. How much more of a qualifier for insanity would you need?

Why does everyone have such a hardon for capital punishment? Just because some people are inhuman doesn't mean we all have to be.

i don't understand why people always assume someone is already insane when they do this type of thing.... and besides, what would you have done anyways? besides, i was pretty sure capital punishment was death penalty... which is what i just said not to do, i said to stick her in a hole for the rest of her life... killing her won't do anything, and i think her case deserves a bit more then being stuck in gen. pop. in prison...

edit: just because she or her lawyers say she's insane, doesn't mean i believe it. people use the insane card to try and get out of what they've done too often... stick her in the hole, if she ain't crazy now in a few years she will be, let her torture herself... that's what people tend to do when they get stuck in those holes anyways.

[Dro_Princess]

Dude, presumably she stuck her own child in a microwave. How much more of a qualifier for insanity would you need?

Why does everyone have such a hardon for capital punishment? Just because some people are inhuman doesn't mean we all have to be.

I have no tolorence or sympthany (sp) for anyone who kills a innocent child. To me that is the worse crime ever. Just like the guy a county over who was playing hide and seek with his twin daughters and stabbed them to death. I dont feel sorry for him one bit. They should kill themselvels instead of others. It may sound harsh but thats how I feel about stories like these.

[VoidLivesOn]

She just needs some blue berry pancakes, oj, and an excerpt from the movie Jesus Camp.

[Polymirize]

edit: just because she or her lawyers say she's insane, doesn't mean i believe it. people use the insane card to try and get out of what they've done too often... stick her in the hole, if she ain't crazy now in a few years she will be, let her torture herself... that's what people tend to do when they get stuck in those holes anyways.

I guess I'd have to ask you what sane individual would microwave a child? I have the feeling it would be a real short list. There's presumably no motive provided. So this woman simply overcame evolutionary predispostions to ignore the wellbeing of her offspring and decided to pop one in the microwave for a lark?
Sorry, some crucial element to this story is still lacking. Hopefully it will be found and addressed in court.

As for the "weeding the gene pool" argument: Don't be stupid. Unless you're going to stick to your guns on that and claim that we need to kill off her remaining 3 offspring?

[benagain]

If her offspring do something like she did, then yea, I say kill them to. But no quick death. No needles. No chair. Make 'em hurt. Maybe I'm not sensitive enough, but oh well. I can't change how I am, and I don't trust the court systems. Nothing but love to everyone else (who don't cook babies in microwave ovens, if you do that then screw you you don't count in my book).

[smoke it]

burn the bitch alive

[TYCO118]

Stooping to her own level only makes us just as bad as she is. Throw her in a jail cell till she rots. They really don't like people who rape//kill children in prison.
:thumbsup:

eye for an eye

but i agree

[Fengzi]

Dude, presumably she stuck her own child in a microwave. How much more of a qualifier for insanity would you need?

Why does everyone have such a hardon for capital punishment? Just because some people are inhuman doesn't mean we all have to be.

So what should we do Poly, give her a lollypop and send her home?

There have been several cases in the news out here recently of people killing their own children. Most recent some nut job, out on bail for a domestic violence case, poisoned his 2 yo old daughter http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16154728.htm

and another story where a woman basically tortured her son to death http://cbs5.com/local/local_story_303165544.html

Yeah, I'm sure they were both a bit unstable but where do you draw the line? What about someone who robs a bank? You could argue that any rational person wouldn't rob a bank? Should we let them go to? What about someone like Jeffrey Dahmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer , John Wayne Gacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy, etc etc. Clearly they are off their rockers but does that make their actions excusable?

There are people who definitely need help. There is also a lot of scum out there. And scum should be handled like scum.

[VoidLivesOn]

There are people who definitely need help. There is also a lot of scum out there. And scum should be handled like scum.


Are you proposing we drown her in Lysol?

How about sneak it into some blueberry pancakes.

[friendowl]

people with too much sympathy for fuck heads like her are very annoying
i wonder if youd feel the same if you were related to that child and loved it

[aznson01]

she should die

my firneds and i were wondeirng wtf would happen to someone if u put em in a microwave over thanksgivig

[friendowl]

your intestintes will cook before your outer skin does
poor lil kid
gets me mad when i think about what she did

[Fengzi]

people with too much sympathy for fuck heads like her are very annoying
i wonder if youd feel the same if you were related to that child and loved it

I gotta agree with you friendowl, if I remember right, you've a got a little one about the same age as mine. When you think of someone doing that to your own child...fuck I can't even express how it makes me feel. People without kids just can't understand. Although at least most have the sensibility to give the bitch what she deserves.

And it ain't blueberry pancakes!

[VoidLivesOn]

And it ain't blueberry pancakes!


Panzy...

[rebgirl420]

Mannnnnn that bitch deserves the worst punishment. Taking a life of an innocent child for one selfish reason or another. i dont care if she's mentally unstable kill the bitch!

[birdgirl73]

This appalling story made me physically sick. I cannot abide such cruelty. And cannot understand it in any way.

I live in the suburb north of Dallas where Dena Schlosser, the crazy-religious woman with post-partum psychosis, cut the arms off her 10-month-old baby and let it bleed to death. The woman was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Yet she was guilty. That case still sickens me, too. It didn't have to happen, as the microwave case didn't, either. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is in these cases. The angry, vindictive part of me wants to microwave them to death or cut their arms off in return. But I'm certain that's probably not the correct answer justice-wise.

[rebgirl420]

No it is, like that crazy bitch who put her 10 month old and her 4 year old in a car strapped in there seats and and pushed them into the water and they died a slow scary death while the water rised up. The bitch lied and said that she was car jacked by a black guy and there was a man hunt for this made up guy. Then she finally admits what she done and now she ONLY gets life in prison and was, SURPRISED, saved like jesus. People piss me off...

[Dro_Princess]

No it is, like that crazy bitch who put her 10 month old and her 4 year old in a car strapped in there seats and and pushed them into the water and they died a slow scary death while the water rised up. The bitch lied and said that she was car jacked by a black guy and there was a man hunt for this made up guy. Then she finally admits what she done and now she ONLY gets life in prison and was, SURPRISED, saved like jesus. People piss me off...

I remeber when that happened not too far from where I live. I always thought they should hold her head under water to the point of near death and bring her back up for air and then repeat.

[rebgirl420]

yeah i cant understand people against the death penalty for shit like this

[rebgirl420]

psh im athesit and what do u suppose we actually do to these people? Jail for life? So she gets to live while her poor kids are at the bottom of a lake?

[BlueCat]

I don't think crazy is an excuse. She's gonna claim (if she hasn't allready) PPD. I say lets weed out the gene pool. Stick her on a rocket and shoot her to the moon. Plenty of room for the crazys on the moon.

Oh there you go they have not even built the first Moon apartments and already you are sending your trash up there!

Sorry but the The blueberry pancakes and Jesus camp idea was pretty funny :D

I can't think about this really it makes my brain feel all funky and I feel sick sick sick. Its like the thoughts are rejected immediately can't do it.

As good as killing her sounds death is over and done. I agree with mean green, in prison she would die over and over again and still suffer even more for years and years. Also they have been studying the brains and chemical make up of murderers and they are learning a lot. Maybe they will be able to identify murderers before they strike. (that was a movie wasn't it?) Well anyway putting her in a cage with 1000s of other mean people that want to kill her and studying her brain are acceptible punishments IMHO. provided she is quilty. Might be a good idea to wait for the trial.

[VoidLivesOn]

Blueberry pancakes and Jesus Camp the movie cures everything.

[rebgirl420]

I respect your opinion on this and I get where your going with this as I assume religion is something that you have in your life and your going with the god will punish them thing but what if your wrong and (Im atheist like I said) the what? They get away scott free?

[Kindbud]

completely killed my high

[Dro_Princess]

Funny how all the Christians here say eye for an eye, when Jesus himself said "Turn the other cheek."
Innocent until proven guilty. If she is guilty, she will get her well deserved punishment. What a sick way to end a life. Horrible.

Death penalty... what goes around comes round. The cycle has to end somewhere right?

Eye for a eye is also in the bible.

[MastaChronic]

An Ohio mom is suspected of murdering her baby by placing the infant in the microwave, police said yesterday.


im sorry, but when i read this i started doing a roflcopter.
too bad for the kid, maybe she was on acid and thought it was a frozen burrito or something

[Dro_Princess]

I support the death penalty, espcially for child killers. Besides they live on death row 10 to 20 years before they are put to death. Sitting in a cell knowing Im going to die for that amount of time would eat me alive, and mix that with the guilt from the crime if they have any. I would never be able to sleep peacefully. So I say put her in a microwave and cook her like a baked potato.

[MastaChronic]

Damn you. I was in a serious mood and that actually made me laugh. This isn't something to laugh about, but you're entitled to your... strange outlook. No hate, I don't think you meant anything bad for it.

i didnt mean nothin bad by it, just thought id try to crack the icy mood that had everyone fridgid with a joke.
and before you say "this is nothing to joke about" please remember that everything can be funny when viewed from the correct distance.
but yeah, too bad for kid. i hope they lock her in the looney bin and shoot her up with olanzapine for the rest of her days. trust me people, olanzapine injections for life is worse than death.
let me explain, olanzapine kills everything emotional. you cannot feel anything at all and it is like your dead, but still living. the russians during the cold war fed revolutionaries olanzapine pills for years and every one of them prayed for death.

[BlueCat]

[quote=Billionfold]I'm actually not a very religious person. How is life in prison getting away scott free? It isn't like they're sending them to Happy Fun World or Easy Peasy Palace. It's prison. Life in prison. No going outside when you want to. No freedom. Your life is regulated from morning to night. Caging a wild bird. That is a fate far worse than death. Not to mention the other birds they're being caged with. Murder is a heinous crime. She will not be put just with the petty burglars or small time crooks. No. She will spend the last of her waking days behind cold steel. Death would be a quick and merciful end to such a crime. She should suffer until her very last breath.[/QUOTE

Yep that is EXACTLY how I feel about it. No chance for parole punished everyday for the rest of her life. Death is the easy way out.

[Kid A]

Stooping to her own level only makes us just as bad as she is. Throw her in a jail cell till she rots. They really don't like people who rape//kill children in prison.
:thumbsup:

yup, in an ALL-MALE prison... maximum security.

oh i'd pay to see that shit go down

[Garden Knowm]

shouldn't this be in the current events forum?

lol
iloveyou

[MastaChronic]

hey knowm, are you trying to get moderized or something?

[Garden Knowm]

LOL - something likethat

one of my posts was moved.. and so I was just TROLLING along and seeing if every post should be moved..

just swinging my KAK around a bit... lol

iloveyou

[MastaChronic]

cool, keep on toking

[Garden Knowm]

cheers...

[MastaChronic]

11 months? how high are you?
im getting high, i couldnt resist knowms "cheers"

[Polymirize]

yeah i cant understand people against the death penalty for shit like this

It stems from the fundamental belief that killing in cold blood is wrong, regardless of circumstance.

[Reefer Rogue]

She doesn't deserve the privaledge of breathing another breath. If I were one of her sons i would of killed her myself. Say what you will about 'an eye for an eye makes the world go blind' but i think her death is necessary for the justice of her daughter.

[LIP]

The should make a Microwave big enough for her and put her in there for 30 seconds, and then one min. and keep going up 30 seconds so she suffers really good before she explodes. That women is sick and deserves to die a horrible death.

It must be the weed, were on the same wave length. :joint1: :rastabong:

[rebgirl420]

I can't belive no one posted this pic yet: :microwave:

[Abattoir Dream]

hahaha

[Reefer Rogue]

That was great :D

[Skink]

one of my biggest fears is turning on the dryer,,,cause one time the cat was in it...

I think joking in the thread is DESPICABLE!!!

[Fengzi]

There are two aspects to any punishment. First is the punishment to the one who committed the crime. Second, and probably more importantly, the punishment should be a deterent to any others out there who may be thinking of committing such a crime. The death penalty can be more effective because it carries a higher fear factor than life in prison.

In any case it certainly appears that our current system does not provide sufficient deterrent. The fact that many people are out walking the streets again after committing horrific crimes, either from reduced sentences or from getting off on a loophole, is proof of that. The fact that many commit these crimes again is further proof. And finally, the fact that so many of these crimes happen in the first place should be all the proof we need.

Say what you want about the death penalty but it can be an effective deterent. I lived for a while in a country that is known for it's lack of "human rights". A country where justice severe and is handed out quickly. Nobody who murders another, molests a child, etc, will ever be seen again. Although we in the west like to criticize that country for what we consider cruel and unusual punishment, it seems to work. When I was there I lived in a city with 14million people. Yet despite the fact that this city shared many of the problems of other big cities(poor, homelessness, etc) it was incredibly safe. I was a rich(by local standards) white, foriegner who stuck out like a sore thumb. But I could walk down any street, at any time of the day, and never fear for my safety. How many big cities in the U.S can we say that about? None. Bottom line, the harsh penalties for committing crimes in that country worked.

So, maybe executing this woman is wrong. If so, lock her up in prison forever. But it should be in a 6x6x6' cell, no tv, no books, no nothing. She should never see blue sky or the light of day again. Prison shouldn't be considered a place to "do your time". prison should be a place where people are terrified to go. And if that's cruel and unusual punishment, so the fuck what. Microwaving a child is pretty god damn cruel and unusual too.

[BlueCat]

Hey Fengzi, Are you sure it was FEAR of capital punishment that made the streets of the city you were in safer? Were there other viables, for instance how much exposure to other violent stimuli did these people have, what was their economic and social problems?

I have walked the streets of Amsterdam, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal at 2 AM and I was not frightened in the least but I would NEVER walk the streets alone in NY, LA, Detroit <----OMG :eek: or how about Little Rock, Arkansas at night! or most any US city. I think I'd have to see research that proves these people were deterred by fear of capital punishment before I would beleive it there are too many civilized countries with no death penalty and extremely low murder rates. My gosh even Melbourne and Sydney are safe and they are HUGE cities why are they not free for alls for the evil people with no death sentence to worry about?

[Polymirize]

In addition to BlueCat's points. This has been studied and debated ad nausem but what they always find is that capital punishment is not a deterent in the US. Great, maybe things worked better over in China, but unless you're suggesting we "streamline" the justice system, guilty parties still have a number of rights and protections (chances to appeal, etc). It costs the taxpayers more to execute an individual than to put him away for life.

I'd also ask you how many of those people who 'disappear' are guilty of the crimes they're convicted of? Its pretty easy for a brutal government to rule by fear but maybe it's not a system we should be looking to in order to solve our problems.

[friendowl]

so pretty much from what i know
i can go outside at any given moment
and execute people i dont like [i hate]
then look forward to a life of books and free food
hot showers,movies and a job that pays
granted i wont be walking th estreets but who cares
i can stil be happy in jail
that swhat the system tells me


I HAVE BBEN INCARCERATED AND IT IS NOT THAT BAD AFTER YOU GET USED TO IT , USUALLY EVERYONES JOKING AROUND AND GAMBLING AND GETTING HIGH ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

[BabySnookums]

This appalling story made me physically sick. I cannot abide such cruelty. And cannot understand it in any way.

I live in the suburb north of Dallas where Dena Schlosser, the crazy-religious woman with post-partum psychosis, cut the arms off her 10-month-old baby and let it bleed to death. The woman was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Yet she was guilty. That case still sickens me, too. It didn't have to happen, as the microwave case didn't, either. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is in these cases. The angry, vindictive part of me wants to microwave them to death or cut their arms off in return. But I'm certain that's probably not the correct answer justice-wise.


ooooooooooooh god i remember that one....that made me just freak the hell out...i've heard of people doing some fucked up shit to kids...(which is still wrong as hell) but god...where'd she get that idea? how can peoples minds function like that?

what always got me though is i'd lay awake wondering HOW she cut em off...either way the kid suffered and bled to death...but i'm wondering if she fwacked em off quick-like...or "sawed away" at the poor things arms for awhile (cuz then the kid would've suffered more)

these people aren't getting what the deserve. i mean, yes...they're insane...but so the fuck what? they still did the crime. i've thought about doing some fucked up shit (i.e. punching a cop...i have anger and pig issues :P) so does that mean (since i do have mental issues and am on medicine) that i could punch the shit outta a cop and plead insanity? fuck no....why should other people be any different?

[friendowl]

what always got me though is i'd lay awake wondering HOW she cut em off...either way the kid suffered and bled to death...but i'm wondering if she fwacked em off quick-like...or "sawed away" at the poor things arms for awhile (cuz then the kid would've suffered more

i started picturing your words and damn
i had to stop thinking about that shit.....fucking hoorrible

[BabySnookums]

Hey Fengzi, Are you sure it was FEAR of capital punishment that made the streets of the city you were in safer? Were there other viables, for instance how much exposure to other violent stimuli did these people have, what was their economic and social problems?

I have walked the streets of Amsterdam, Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal at 2 AM and I was not frightened in the least but I would NEVER walk the streets alone in NY, LA, Detroit <----OMG :eek: or how about Little Rock, Arkansas at night! or most any US city. I think I'd have to see research that proves these people were deterred by fear of capital punishment before I would beleive it there are too many civilized countries with no death penalty and extremely low murder rates. My gosh even Melbourne and Sydney are safe and they are HUGE cities why are they not free for alls for the evil people with no death sentence to worry about?

too many gangs and crackheads there...i wouldn't be caught on those streets alone...day OR night lol

[MastaChronic]

too many gangs and crackheads there...i wouldn't be caught on those streets alone...day OR night lol

i try not to be on the streets alone where i live either. i'll do it, but i carry a little assurance in my back pocket just in case some crack head comes up and says "gooogly booglah stab me" so i can ablidge

[Fengzi]

In addition to BlueCat's points. This has been studied and debated ad nausem but what they always find is that capital punishment is not a deterent in the US. Great, maybe things worked better over in China, but unless you're suggesting we "streamline" the justice system, guilty parties still have a number of rights and protections (chances to appeal, etc). It costs the taxpayers more to execute an individual than to put him away for life.

I'd also ask you how many of those people who 'disappear' are guilty of the crimes they're convicted of? Its pretty easy for a brutal government to rule by fear but maybe it's not a system we should be looking to in order to solve our problems.

I can certainly see why our current system of capital punishment is not a deterent. Not the way it is now structured. But I really wonder if those studies would have the same results if those found guilty were executed within, say, a maximum of one year after being convicted.

Maybe the death penalty is not the answer. I'm not really supporting en eye for an eye. I'm just supporting much harsher punishment for those convicted of violent crimes. Clearly the current system provides little in way of a deterent. Prisoners have the right to do this, the right to do that, etc etc. The hell with that.

Like I mentioned already, a lot of these guys just figure "oh well, if I'm caught I'll do my time and be out in a few years" . People who are considering a violent crime shouldn't think this way. Prison shouldn't be an inconvenience. It should be a living hell that nobody ever wants to experience. No books, no tv, no rights, no nothing. And if my taxes are going to pay for their food they damn sure are going to work for it. They're violent criminals who have willingly hurt another person. I don't give a shit about them.

[BabySnookums]

yeah...this shit was on the news right after i had my son...when i was still all emotional and shit...crying over everything....i had actual nightmares over that news story.... *shudders*

[VoidLivesOn]

No books......really?

[Fengzi]

No books......really?

That's right, no books, no movies, no gambling, and make them wear some device that keeps them from reaching their cock and jerking themselves off. Oh yeah, one more thing, absolutely no blueberry pancakes! Ever!!

[BlueCat]

No blueberry pancakes now that is HARSH!! :D

[VoidLivesOn]

So that means no blueberry pancake recipe books then too huh?

how about Jesus Camp the MOvie?

[Fengzi]

how about Jesus Camp the MOvie?

I would imagine that would be considered toture. So, :thumbsup:

[Dro_Princess]

one of my biggest fears is turning on the dryer,,,cause one time the cat was in it...

I really did that one time. I didnt know he was sleeping in there so i closed the door and turned it on. He wasnt in there long though, but when i opened the door he shot out like a rocket.

[BlueCat]

I would imagine that would be considered toture. So, :thumbsup:

LMAO :D