christian action alert!!!

[SkatePopwar]

so, ive just been sitting around thinking..so many christians i know all tell me that they believe their religion is the "right" one, because there is written proof...
but there are so many other religions, that are dead set that their beliefs are the "right" ones and all others are wrong
so my question is 2fold: why are you convinced your religions beliefs are the "right ones"
and, on the concept of heaven and hell..do you believe heaven and hell are like our physical world, where satan would strap you to the rack of pain and cut you limb from limb, or are completely different, entirely? where, say, satan would be a sort of pure evil energy who would dissasemble the particles of everything in the "area" of hell? or something crazy like that

pls & thank you :) being agnostic most of my life, ive never really been able to properly understand organised religion. so help me out? kthx
:rasta: :rasta:

[Lucifuge]

Because they're (keyword) told by the Church it's right. Even within Christianity, Catholics are convinced Protestants aren't "true" Christians, and vice versa. They don't want you to go to other Churches, they want you to go to theirs. And they need concepts like hell to brainwash you. Of course, don't forget your (another keyword) money, salvation isn't free. We'd all be screaming Allah Akbar right now if the Muslims had gotten any further than Spain in the 700's.

[MegaOctane12]

To me, hell... would be heaven surrounded by Religious reactionarys. There is nothing worse than being surrounded by ignorance. There's a statment that goes 'hell is the impossibility of reason'... How true that is. Hell for me thanks.

[Pass That Shit]

Tell your friends that their religion is "false". All religion is man made.
You don't need religion, you need a relationship with the LORD. :dance:

Jesus, who was anti-religion, has become the cornerstone of most religions.
The truth is in his word. Agree or not, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

[smoke it]

this extreme never-ending arrogance is one of the many things that pisses me off about religion

[Euphoric]

ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

[fikusroot]

A bit off topic but not really. Do you ever just find that you completely hate people in general? I mean think about it, we really suck. The only reason we want to stay alive is because we're programmed to. There is just so much bad in people it makes me sick. Theres so much bad in me. I'm selfish, offensive, and generally not a nice person to be around. The only reason anyone tolerates me is because I make them laugh every now and then. And all of you suck to. We all suck. Anyone else feel like this sometime? Maybe I'm just depressed, I dunno. I need to get high.

[JunkYard]

I feel like that sometimes, which is the reason I am able to appreciate others. I know they're just like me in the end...human. We 'are' a great tragedy, but we are also 'great'.


Love,

[fikusroot]

Ok, I started on my handle of Captian Morgan's I was saving for this weekend abd feel a little better. But dont you people think its sick how much some people get while others get shit? I mean, I'm rich as fuck but I'm still not happy. Ive never had to do anything for myself. All I do is sit around, write shitty music that nobody really likes and get high. I suck. And then you have the people who come from the shitpools in the middle of nowhere who foster this notion that sounding like a dumbass is cool. And you've got people who think that by letting everyone know how rightous they are, they will become righous. They all suck. I suck. We all suck. The reality is life sucks, no matter who you are. I guess I just need to make the best of it but to do that, I'm going to need some stronger weed.

[Inferius]

Fikus get some self-esteem. Loving others is quite easy if you love yourself.

Think about it.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Loving others is quite easy if you love yourself.

that is a tawdry cliche. i have no trouble loving others and i absolutely despise myself and back when i did have that fabled "high self-esteem" i usually kept it up by despising the people around me.

but i'm a borderline sociopath and probably not a good example of humanity.

[Inferius]

that is a tawdry cliche. i have no trouble loving others and i absolutely despise myself and back when i did have that fabled "high self-esteem" i usually kept it up by despising the people around me.

but i'm a borderline sociopath and probably not a good example of humanity.

yeah...

Theres a difference between an inflated ego and a good self-esteem.

And Fikus sounds like he not only needs self-esteem in his own personality, but just in being human.

[harris7]

Ok, I started on my handle of Captian Morgan's I was saving for this weekend abd feel a little better. But dont you people think its sick how much some people get while others get shit? I mean, I'm rich as fuck but I'm still not happy. Ive never had to do anything for myself. All I do is sit around, write shitty music that nobody really likes and get high. I suck. And then you have the people who come from the shitpools in the middle of nowhere who foster this notion that sounding like a dumbass is cool. And you've got people who think that by letting everyone know how rightous they are, they will become righous. They all suck. I suck. We all suck. The reality is life sucks, no matter who you are. I guess I just need to make the best of it but to do that, I'm going to need some stronger weed.


my advice to you is do something. dont just sit around writing music and getting high. it's probably the reason you hate so much.

Go do something constructive. go volunteer (its really not like work it can be quite fun)

I hate a lot of things to, I hate the greed, the social problems it's created, and the politicians who work off of it to get elected.

What i do is I work against it. I work with several groups from political, to environmental to socialistic. and try to bring good.

And I find all the things I do very enjoyable.

No one has the right to bitch unless there working against it in some fashion

[Polymirize]

And Fikus sounds like he not only needs self-esteem in his own personality, but just in being human.

Why? What's so great about being human? Even you seem to be trying to escape it, your sig claims that you're nature, god and infinite. Maybe its harder than you think to be human.

[SkatePopwar]

i think i might know what you mean fikus, not that i entierly think that way but ive come to that realisation before, that everything we do kind of sucks. but then i stopped thinking that way and things go alot better, it really is about following exactly what you want to do...
as best as i can explain, at least
be happy!

[Inferius]

Why? What's so great about being human? Even you seem to be trying to escape it, your sig claims that you're nature, god and infinite. Maybe its harder than you think to be human.

You reply to my posts more than anyone else... :confused:
And my sig isn't about escaping my humanity, in fact it's leaning more towards embracing it. More of a spiritual perspective really.

I love being human. I love life. I don't know what it's NOT like to be human, but i'm definately grateful for the gift of a human life. I feel grateful every single beautiful day for being alive.

[Inferius]

and thats actually really sad that you reply to my posts more than anyone else, considering you only replied like 4 times...

[fikusroot]

Fikus get some self-esteem. Loving others is quite easy if you love yourself.

Think about it.

It's true that I have very low self esteem. I know I have a lot I should be proud and a whole bunch of redeeming qualities of but I still feel like such a loser sometimes. I look around and I see I have all these people that are attracted to me even though I'm not attracted to myself which gives me this wierd perspective on people. I mean, I've gotten good at playing the whole social game and shit but I just cant help but harbor this deep cynical view of everone I meet. I feel like Hamlet. I'm kind of depressed (although I really have no reason to be) and harbor this cynical attitude towrads people and tend to question my very existance more than is probably normal, but in then end, I don't want to die, I dont want to be unhappy. I just want to be remembered. If you read the last scene of the play, when Hamlet dies, his final wish is for Horatio to spread his story around. That's all I really want, is for people to remember me. And to be happy. And to be able to understand exactly what I was just trying to say:o ...

[fikusroot]

Now that I am high, I think I've come with a powerful self realization. I am an asshole. There's no other way to explain it. Im a plain, staight up asshole and rather than speak up and say things I keep them to myself because I'm scared i will be an asshole. I think it's because I'm incapatble of forming close bonds with anyone, probably because that part of my brain is shrunken. That, or because for some reason I'm scared they'll hurt me. Maybe that's it. Maybe I'm just nervous. But then again, nervous people are just mild skitzofrenics, and I'm not crazy. Or at least I dont think I am. I need to force myself to go outside of myself and accept love into my life, so I no longer feel empty. It's funny now, I can distinctly see a soul that lives inside someone and permeates thorought everything that they do. For so long, in peoples look and speech etc etc, I have only been seeing the phenotype when I should have been looking at their genotype (soul). I just typed a whole lot more but I read it back to myself and it didnt make a bit of sense so I deleted it. But yeah, like I said, I think I'm an asshole and I dont know what to do.

[Inferius]

If you were reading someone else's post of them saying this, I'm sure you could analyze them, probably better than I could. You're very intelligent.

But it's easier to see other peoples problems than it is your own. Easier to separate yourself from your own ego and think logically when it doesn't relate to your own insecurities or motives. Right now, you're not separating yourself from your ego. You're in the thick of it.

Somehow, you previously got it into your head that you aren't as good, as perfect, as lovable and fascinating as others. That you were less.
But you're NOT. YOU ARE JUST AS FUNNY, INTELLIGENT, BEAUTIFUL, LOVABLE, and any other positive characteristic of humanity as ANYONE else.
It might take a while for you to accept this, to break the patterns of thought in your mind that reinforce that first perception of negativity.
But once you have that confidence, people WILL remember you. Once you feel secure in who you are, when you embrace what you've always been (see capital words above), People will cherish your existence, your soul, your love. And you will find it easier to do the same for them.

You need to learn to watch yourself think. Every time you see yourself react to a situation in a self-defeating, un-confident way, Pause. Realize, that reaction, that subconscious part of you that made that reaction into an unfavorable one, is WRONG. Instead of thinking about how badly you might acted, realize how WONDERFUL you were. If you do this more and more, your perception of the world, and primarily of yourself, will change. And you will distinctly notice this. KEEP doing this.

The longer you do it, the better you will be at it. Strive to constantly improve upon your perception of what is truly perfection.


I remember you.

[fikusroot]

Thanks man, thats some good advice. But the thing is, it isnt as if everyones been telling me I suck my whole life. I am the oldest of my brothers and everything I did was put on a pedestal. I was pretty much spoiled and I think that all that at such an early age turned me into an asshole. I have always been (not to sound like an asshole:) )very intellegent and one of the "smart" kids in the class so I was always getting this praise but my social life kind of fell off. During middle school and a lot of late lower school though, I got a little bit of heat because I guess I was kind of intimidating and I was also a little full of myself too. After my peers convinced me I was no more special then the rest of the crowd I kind of became the rest of the crowd. But I never felt like I was being genuine, like all this blending in wasnt really me. So for some reason, I've always felt awkward around my peers. I think after being forced to stay in the crowd for so long and now to be expected to branch out and let all these great gifts I have come to fruition my talents are as stifled as an average person. Even I can see the side of me thats full of myself come out in these past few sentences. Sorry if this is all really disjointed but I am very tired and :stoned:

[JunkYard]

I don't think anyone is more special than another, fikusroot. We all have our gifts, and talents, but those are not what defines a man, imo. Success is measured by happiness, and what you derive your happiness from counts.

You're intelligent, seemingly friendly, your mind is above average, yet you are as everyone else...human. We all have faults, and sometimes those faults are blessings in disguise. They push us to better ourselves, they teach us, and allow us to grow into who/what we want to be, and be known for.

You're not an asshole from what I can see, and you do have Love for humanity, as I saw that in your new religion thread. I don't think you're as lost as you feel, you're just not satisfied, which is a very common thing, man.

Don't be so hard on yourself...


Love,

[fikusroot]

Well I havent gotten stoned in a while and I got some new weed today and the whole time its being crazy intospective. Ive been sorting out some big issues (I bet it was mescaline or something:) ). But anyway, I just feel in love with everybody right now and Im afraid that tomorrow Ill be my same unagreeable self. I will not disagree that I dont have flaws, I could write a book. However I think that I just have the personality of an asshole and that from that, all my other problems seem to stem. Now, I feel like I have done plenty of good things, I'm not saying I'm a complete asshole, but the more i think about it, the more it makes sense. I also remember thats why I like smoking so much: the after effects. The day after I get high Im unusually agreeable. Everybody notices it and it's fairly obvious. I dont know if I'm just getting big comedowns during the week from smoking on the weekends or what, but I do know that it really helps me distance myself from my ego for a period of time and be more empathatic with others. It really is a love drug... Compare this to if I wake up hung over and would call an anorexic chick fat if she bothered me. Why this stuff isnt legal I will never know. It feels like it does a number on your brain though.

[JunkYard]

I haven't smoked in a while now, and the Love thing is still stuck to my mentality. I don't want it to go away, so I embrace every bit of it, and extend it towards others as much as possible. I think it offends some, but those who know me personaly appreciate the change. I know what it means to be an asshole, and I know what it means to be a bully. I've been both, and it wasn't until a couple people on this board got me thinking about Love, that I accepted its power. I think it's a beautiful thing. Only, it really makes me aware of my faults sometimes. Maybe that's what's going on with you, man? he ganj has got you Loving, but your mind has got you thinking about all your flaws.


How did that religion assignment turn out, anyway. (For school)

Good grade, or no?


Love,

[fikusroot]

Pretty good. I got a 91 for some grammar and punctuation errors. Now that I'm sober, I I still feel the same way I did last night, but the more I think of it now, the less I think of myself as an asshole and the more I think of myself as just really nervous and insecure. Like I can literally get sick by being in certain social settings. I dont really see why I have a reason to be insecre but I just am, I really cant help it.

[JunkYard]

I have social anxiety disorder, and that comes with a degree of insecurity, but it's not a death sentence by any stretch of the imagination. At one time I took paxil for it, (or was it Lexapro) but I've been working it out w/o it lately. All's well in my neigborhood for now...

Nice grade, btw...I always found grammar and punctuation to be a brute, lol! (For me anyway)


Much Love,