Have you ever thought of this

[Mean Green Charlene]

Maybe everysingle thing we see, is completely another thing someone else sees but somehow the words are the same?. okay like this
preten i say "hey look at that tree" at what im looking at is the plant with a brown trunk and green leaves and is pretty. Obviously you know what im talking about, but whatever some people thought what we call a tree as something like..a trashcan. So when we say look at that tree, they say yeah its cool looking, but theyre really talking about a trash can.

its kind of liek being colorblind, but with words.
it can also apply to ideas,thoughts,anything. maybe everything one person looks at is never the same thing to another person.







i love pot.

[AlwaysBlazed]

Dude, I know what you mean!!

[poiuyt]

I'm too sober to understand what you're talking about.

[Mean Green Charlene]

Isn't it crazy. And theres so many more dimensions of it, i cant even make it into words.

[Mean Green Charlene]

I'm too sober to understand what you're talking about.

Its very simple. Use this as an example.

Say you're like "look at that cow"
i'd look at a horse and be like "yeah i see it"
i think by cow you mean horse, and i think horse you mean cow.
i just have the two mixed up.


But I really know what a cow really is. The things that go mooooo

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[potsmokingnome]

when I was a kid I thought after I left a room everything just stopped, untill I got back, cause how can something happen if I'm not there to see it happen LOL bear in mind I was like around 7 years old, I had no friends lol and my imagination was quite out there lol I use to play pirates with the coach cushions each one was an island on the floor lol

[bavet]

I'm sorry i'm too drunk fothis styudf

[Inferius]

Perception of reality constantly intrudes upon my thoughts, especially while high.

The most intriguing part, is when you are able to cross over and catch a glimpse of what another person might see. Now, next time you're doing this, try this: when you can see both things, two different perceptions of the same subject, Pick the NEW one. What you're doing is rewriting a beleif, a little batch of data that you got in your head a long time ago, and applying a different perspective to it. This action of picking a new beleif, will change you entirely. Not in the completely dramatic sense, but if you take the time to watch yourself think, you'll start noticing that the new perception you chose will always pop up.

Do this: watch fight club three times. Twice sober, and then again stoned.
The first time, you'll watch it and it might interest you, it confuse you, but the ending will be a glorious one.
The second, with the truth behind every situation obvious, you'll understand most of it.
But the THIRD time...

The third time is magical. You can see every connotation to reality and the mental "illness" of tyler durden, you'll understand the relationships and insanity provoked by the story line behind the story line. And the entire film changes.

Let your mind evolve.

[GetDown]

Maybe everysingle thing we see, is completely another thing someone else sees but somehow the words are the same?. okay like this
preten i say "hey look at that tree" at what im looking at is the plant with a brown trunk and green leaves and is pretty. Obviously you know what im talking about, but whatever some people thought what we call a tree as something like..a trashcan. So when we say look at that tree, they say yeah its cool looking, but theyre really talking about a trash can.

its kind of liek being colorblind, but with words.
it can also apply to ideas,thoughts,anything. maybe everything one person looks at is never the same thing to another person.


i love pot.

DUDE I THINK THE SAME WAY, but with colors, like right now im looking at black text, only what looks black to me may look red to you, but we both call it black coz you grew up your whole life hearing people use the word black for that specific color!!!!!!!

or like to you michael jackson may look white, but hes really black...... ummm wait..... not a good example...... but u get the point.......

[Mean Green Charlene]

Perception of reality constantly intrudes upon my thoughts, especially while high.

The most intriguing part, is when you are able to cross over and catch a glimpse of what another person might see. Now, next time you're doing this, try this: when you can see both things, two different perceptions of the same subject, Pick the NEW one. What you're doing is rewriting a beleif, a little batch of data that you got in your head a long time ago, and applying a different perspective to it. This action of picking a new beleif, will change you entirely. Not in the completely dramatic sense, but if you take the time to watch yourself think, you'll start noticing that the new perception you chose will always pop up.

Do this: watch fight club three times. Twice sober, and then again stoned.
The first time, you'll watch it and it might interest you, it confuse you, but the ending will be a glorious one.
The second, with the truth behind every situation obvious, you'll understand most of it.
But the THIRD time...

The third time is magical. You can see every connotation to reality and the mental "illness" of tyler durden, you'll understand the relationships and insanity provoked by the story line behind the story line. And the entire film changes.

Let your mind evolve.

I love thinking for some reason. I always grew up in school hating it, but when you can think like this it IS amazing.

I will do what you said about Fight Club, I have it on my PC:thumbsup:

[Mean Green Charlene]

DUDE I THINK THE SAME WAY, but with colors, like right now im looking at black text, only what looks black to me may look red to you, but we both call it black coz you grew up your whole life hearing people use the word black for that specific color!!!!!!!

Thats a good example. And i agree and question that too.

[Mean Green Charlene]

I'm glad there are others who have thought of that.
Cheers:)

[tschmidty32]

totally get what you're saying dude...i was gonna post the idea with the colors but it got posted already! Thinking is fucking cool...This is kinda a whole new subject but has anybody thought about how in general, the basic goal of any human being is to stay alive and live long just as any other animal, but we've become so sophisticated through the course of time that everyone goes through the same system of life (like childhood, school, work, generating a family, and being prosperous) but in general our goal is to just to stay alive...man if i was baked i could probably explain it better but yeah just throwin some of my ideas out there.

[Matt the Funk]

LOL that is so understanble, I don't think I would be able to understand it sober.

[JaggedEdge]

Similar to what you are talking about. I have alway's wondered how certain blind people imagine a tree. Assuming they were blind from birth. Let's say they have had a tree described to them as having a brown trunk (cylinader shaped) with long thin branches which are also brown. Attached to these brances are green leaves. I'm sure the shape would be close to our preception because they can feel that along with texture. But as for colors and the over all picture it would be difficult.

I have always wanted to talk to a blind man about this and ask him to try and describe in detail how he imagines a tree or anything else.

[VoidLivesOn]

I'm sorry but I'm totally missing the point where It's fun and interesting to get high and retarted and type up irrelevent confusing bullshit like it made sense or something.

[big smoke07]

This is stupid. A cow is a cow, a horse is a horse.

[Mean Green Charlene]

You two last replies aren't thinking enough. If you don't like it, don't do it. But don't try and ruin the fun for others who like tripping out on it. :stoned:

[Mean Green Charlene]

This is stupid. A cow is a cow, a horse is a horse.

What if what you call a cow, isn't really a cow. its really a horse? you grew up being taught and showed that it was a cow, but it really is a horse.

These are obviously not good examples, but i tried to make it really simple. It goes into depth i cant explain for me.

[JaggedEdge]

What if what you call a cow, isn't really a cow. its really a horse? you grew up being taught and showed that it was a cow, but it really is a horse.

These are obviously not good examples, but i tried to make it really simple. It goes into depth i cant explain for me.

Maybe explaining it like this.

What if you tell a chinese man to look at the cow. Him not understanding good english sees the horse but thinks of the word cow. From than on he will precieve the english word cow as what we see as a horse...

[SkatePopwar]

DUDE I THINK THE SAME WAY, but with colors, like right now im looking at black text, only what looks black to me may look red to you, but we both call it black coz you grew up your whole life hearing people use the word black for that specific color!!!!!!!

or like to you michael jackson may look white, but hes really black...... ummm wait..... not a good example...... but u get the point.......

ive thought the EXACT same thing!

[TheSmokingMonkey]

I almost forgot about that thought, but I used to think about that all the time when I was a kid.

Pretty weird.

[Arklenao2]

theres no such thing as reality, only how the mind percieves it

[Black Water Park]

percieves what?

[Black Water Park]

Maybe explaining it like this.

What if you tell a chinese man to look at the cow. Him not understanding good english sees the horse but thinks of the word cow. From than on he will precieve the english word cow as what we see as a horse...

but regardless it is still a cow (whatever it is to be 'cow'), no matter what he thinks, i dunno... i guess "reality" is completely independent from us no matter what.
i really love disscusions like this

[rebgirl420]

haha MY GOD I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!! When i'm high I get into these debates about shit like this. Like how would you know if your dead if there IS an after life? (yes im atheist but still) or how would you know what a color is, I mean to me the green light looks a certain way but how do I know if you have a complete other view of the color green?! hahaha

[Abattoir Dream]

slightly off subject... rebgirl you look like someone i met before... i think her name started with C. - or maybe i was dreaming...? not sure...

[Cassiopiea]

Maybe everysingle thing we see, is completely another thing someone else sees but somehow the words are the same?. okay like this
preten i say "hey look at that tree" at what im looking at is the plant with a brown trunk and green leaves and is pretty. Obviously you know what im talking about, but whatever some people thought what we call a tree as something like..a trashcan. So when we say look at that tree, they say yeah its cool looking, but theyre really talking about a trash can.

its kind of liek being colorblind, but with words.
it can also apply to ideas,thoughts,anything. maybe everything one person looks at is never the same thing to another person.




i love pot.


My old philosophy teacher who is quite literally one of the smartest people in the world proved to us that this is a load of bollocks, I cant remember how or why because im a stoner, lol, but it just isnt.

Im not hating on you or calling you stuid because I used to beleive this exact same thing but trust me it isnt true, lol.





I love pot too.

[Mean Green Charlene]

No..I know its not true..well to the meanings of my example. Im sure everyone knows what a cow and horse is, or a tree. but what im talking about is deeper thoughts i cant explain, and used such simple terms for understanding.

[TokinAsianGuy]

No..I know its not true..well to the meanings of my example. Im sure everyone knows what a cow and horse is, or a tree. but what im talking about is deeper thoughts i cant explain, and used such simple terms for understanding.

i understand what you were saying, but i agree, it's hard to find the right words to describe it.

Mick Jagger walks out from a press conference, a reporter falls to the ground. immediately the reporters are on the phones, yelling out the headlines for their papers. one of them says "Rogue Reporter get's too close to Jagger!" another says "Jagger Fed Up With Press" and another says "Mick Jagger Attacked By Press".

eye of the beholder right?

[Inferius]

objective and subjective reality.

I will never know if you all exist, or if my mind (if my mind is even real) is simply fabricating you all into existence.
However, as far as I consciously know, I, Exist. I perceive, and therefore, the perceiver exists. I think therefore I exist. But how do I know my level of perception is as "real" as someone elses?

And reality, is it based in external reality, or do my own perceptions truly hold my conscious world together?
Simply based on the fact that just because crazy people beleive they can fly and they don't, (although most likely an extremely exciting pseudo-reality) I beleive that there is an external reality. However, (assuming you all exist) "our" reality, our happyness, all rests on the shoulders of our perception.
Meaning, in order to feel happy, I need to constantly keep my perceptions, my mood, my mind, clean, positive, and in some way refreshing.

Another trippy thought: Emotions. Positivity, Negativity, Pain and Pleasure, are things Entirely created by our mortal beings. Brainmatter, chemicals pulsing here and there, telling us what is pleasure and what is not, DNA forcing us to define our lives by a set of rules like Survive, Procreate, Love And Hate. We can NEVER truly understand (if there is a true perception/understanding) the universe if we are guided and controlled by a physical existence. The problem is, when you think like this, it starts chipping away at your comfortability with being human... It's not something to think about often. In the end, we are so truly at mercy of our physical beings, we can only submit to them.

and for a site that I love to visit stoned: http://fusionanomaly.net

[Mean Green Charlene]

I agree 100% Inferius. I scare myself a dozen times a day with these thoughts. They come more than I want :/

[Mean Green Charlene]

I often think about like, what if what im seeing as my life, is just being played through my mind like a movie. what if aliens, another life, something has every human, if their are others, or perhaps im the only human, inside pods in a factory. Me living my life is simply a cable into the back of my head playing a life. When its over, i awake, and begin my journey. if my journey becomes easy and good or harsh and horrible, you can classify it as my own hell or heaven. None of you are real, just something played in my head so i'd mature and understand most i could before i start my real journey in like say another world, or heaven or hell.
Im not really a religious person at all..just using those as like examples..i think. I dont know. Im fucking stoned

[Mean Green Charlene]

and for a site that I love to visit stoned: http://fusionanomaly.net

What is that site? I think my browsers messed up, it comes up with a weird column of text down the middle.

[Inferius]

What is that site? I think my browsers messed up, it comes up with a weird column of text down the middle.

And a trippy vid right?
Click on the little red buttons to the side of the vid.

[Arklenao2]

percieves what?

exactly

[MastaChronic]

i think what your describing would be alternate realities. we all live in our own seperate realities. take this for example: anchovie. we all see a fish but some see it "differently" some people see it as a great tasting topping while others see it as revolting. some people consider the taste exquisite and others hate it. some people like the smell and others despise it.
all reality is really is perceptions.

[Dmo18]

its called bypassing, where 2 people are communicating and they think they know what each other are talkin about, but they have different definitions for the same words, so they are really miscommunicating without knowing it. thats the first time ive ever used anything from my speech class

[lagstronaut]

preten i say "hey look at that tree" at what im looking at is the plant with a brown trunk and green leaves and is pretty. Obviously you know what im talking about, but whatever some people thought what we call a tree as something like..a trashcan. So when we say look at that tree, they say yeah its cool looking, but theyre really talking about a trash can.


But if you say "look at the leaves on the tree, they are turning brown", the other person would be like "WTF this silver round thing is changing colours?"

Oh and to try to argue with myself right now, I guess you could say to help prove your theory that "leaves" for me might be "trash can lid" for you, and "changing colours" might be "smells bad"

It sounds cool and does trip you out but I don't think that goes on

[Mean Green Charlene]

^ I used those as examples..it has to go deeper for it to work out 100%.

[Eazy]

i just read this, stoped looked at my weed shook my head. packed nice spliff lite it, smoked it rolled another. and then typed this

damn i need sum THC injections lol!

[RESiNATE]

But, who said it was a cow?
Who decided that a cow was gonna be called a cow?
Was there a debate...a referendum...a platform for people to put their ideas forward as to what they called a cow?

I think not.

But it happens anyway, doesn't it?

I call it a cat, the french a chat...whereas, a chat, to me, is an exchange of words...

I like the Fight Club reference....because it is absolutely correct.

Res...

[Reefer Rogue]

Maybe everysingle thing we see, is completely another thing someone else sees but somehow the words are the same?. okay like this
preten i say "hey look at that tree" at what im looking at is the plant with a brown trunk and green leaves and is pretty. Obviously you know what im talking about, but whatever some people thought what we call a tree as something like..a trashcan. So when we say look at that tree, they say yeah its cool looking, but theyre really talking about a trash can.

its kind of liek being colorblind, but with words.
it can also apply to ideas,thoughts,anything. maybe everything one person looks at is never the same thing to another person.







i love pot.

Sounds like linguistic phenomenalism to me ;)

[RESiNATE]

Sounds like linguistic phenomenalism to me ;)

lol

I think I had linguistic phenomenalism once...Italian dish, isn't it?

:dance:

[lil josh]

im gona try n explain wt ursayign so its easier for me to understand lol.

like i look at a tree i see a brown trunk n leaves you lk at a tree you see a big wooden post with blue dots on it but you use the same words to describe it as me therefore we both think we are seeing the same thing but really were not.

this is the sort of thing i think bout when im stoned but really theres a easy way to show that were both seeing the same thing....we both draw it the same lol

[JunkYard]

I totaly get this, and can relate even...like, I once thought I had a "big cock", I viewed it to be as much at an early age, but then the first girl a banged called my Big cock a "pee pee". There's a big difference between a cock and a pee pee, ya know? I liked my perceptin much better, as it was right in my eyes, but her perception disrupted my own, and therefore damaged my ego and personal perception of what I viewed to be true. I mean, what girl would choose a pee pee over a cock, and why would she say that to me if it wasn't true?

Fucking bitch, I'm damaged goods now! (Me AND my "pee pee")


:mad:


j/k ... I've always had a pee pee, and I love that little bitch. I call my member "Krull" the warrior King now, or is it "Princess Sophia"? As you can see, I'm very confused...


:stoned:

(Can I talk like this in the lounge?)

[NextLineIsMine]

the only flaw is we can compare the shape and texture of objects. You can describe colors too, like saturated, dull, or bright. Its a cool thought but without a doubt we all see the same stuff the same way

[smoke it]

I'm too sober to understand what you're talking about.

^^^wat he said^^^

[MastaChronic]

Fucking bitch, I'm damaged goods now! (Me AND my "pee pee"

congrats, youve just made my siggy

[JunkYard]

congrats, youve just made my siggy


Me and my "pee pee" are honored, lol! :cool:

[Skink]

like say lets go to Mcdonalds and get some hamburgers... You think the meat is from a cow but,,,it's really from a horse... I get it,,,there is no ham in a hamburger...

[Reefer Rogue]

lol

I think I had linguistic phenomenalism once...Italian dish, isn't it?

:dance:

I love Italian food :D

[Reefer Rogue]

This all comes down to how we percieve the world, either with our sense data, like empiricists would say, or like bishop berkley would say: all that exists are our minds and our ideas. His idealism rests on the existence of god though which masquerades as an explanation but really explains nothing. The thing about sense data, the images we get in our mind when we see things. Like a table would be a rectangular hard piece of sense data and a melon would be a round yellow patch of sense data. Well, the thing about sense data is that it's private and it's subjective, we can't compare our sense data to others. When I look at a tree and you look at a tree we would see something different, especially if it were in our imaginations. As Wittgenstein would say something that's private can not be checked from an external source, therefore rendering it meaningless. What was my point again? Oh yeah, ganja is good :stoned: