WARNING

[savagepossum]

People in the u.k who are smoking weed with grit in STOP NOW the grit they put in this weed can cause silicosis a lung disease which takes 15 years to come into full effect and then leaving you only about six months to live there is also no cure for this disease and smoking only makes it worse.

if you have smoked weed with grit in it then either give up, find a new dealer or start growing this is not a joke

[WeedyBoyWonder]

How do yo now this?
I have gritty weed right in front of me... i cant just leave it there!!
Ive smoked about 2 Oz of this stuff all together... am i a dead man walking?? O_O

[psychocat]

Amusing

[AlunB3]

This weed has been sptrayed with soem sort of silica spray used in model making and may be extremely dangerous when smoked - not just due to the glue but if the small gritty glassy particles are inhaled it may lead to bleeding lungs.

It is absolutely dreaful that people have done this - it has been reported all across UK and in Europe (they called it glass-grass) and atrocious that dealers are selling it: under a legal regime they'd be nicked.

People must complain, take it back, even tell the dealers to do the same, although the greedy ones probably won't. It's a form of terrorism - who's doing it? they must be big operators. Why? Surely not just for money

Through the Legalise Cannabis Alliance http://www.lca-uk.org, I've sent out a press release and as far as I know just one radio (my local BBC), and one paper, the York Press, published. Why? this is a very serious health risk, maybe even worse than soapbar, yet they will not warn people. Why?

Still, I invite youy all to write to your local paper too. At least we can try.

Here's a link to my web site with a page about soapbar and glass-grass (http://www.ccguide.org.uk/badsoap.php).

[savagepossum]

nice one mate

[AlunB3]

http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?t=3640

in the last hour or so, these pics have been posted

[weedmaster]

http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?t=3640

in the last hour or so, these pics have been posted

thats serious, thanks 4 the info

[mushypeas]

This weed has been sptrayed with soem sort of silica spray used in model making and may be extremely dangerous when smoked - not just due to the glue but if the small gritty glassy particles are inhaled it may lead to bleeding lungs.

It is absolutely dreaful that people have done this - it has been reported all across UK and in Europe (they called it glass-grass) and atrocious that dealers are selling it: under a legal regime they'd be nicked.

People must complain, take it back, even tell the dealers to do the same, although the greedy ones probably won't. It's a form of terrorism - who's doing it? they must be big operators. Why? Surely not just for money

Through the Legalise Cannabis Alliance http://www.lca-uk.org, I've sent out a press release and as far as I know just one radio (my local BBC), and one paper, the York Press, published. Why? this is a very serious health risk, maybe even worse than soapbar, yet they will not warn people. Why?

Still, I invite youy all to write to your local paper too. At least we can try.

Here's a link to my web site with a page about soapbar and glass-grass (http://www.ccguide.org.uk/badsoap.php).

is there any gritty weed that aint dangerous i got some but it dont look like it has glass on it..... maybe the goverment r behind it ... it wouldnt b the first scandal now would it.....

[blizma]

fook i know why they do this. lookingat the pics they are just trying to make the thc crystals look a dab bigger... im guessing :P
just amagine you had from 1plant say 1ounze of bud and 2ounze of leaves.. not knowing the dangers would you try to smugle in some leaves which look like bud by modifying the apearance? so u can make 3times more money.

personaly i wouldnt...

but im just trying to make people see another aspect of this situation:D
..posh words coming from a stoned man..

[aznson01]

wow thats nuts, what about in Amsterdam?

[chill_out]

I've had some of that gritty green and looks nothing like the pictures,my m8 took some over to the dam and got it tested by some head gardner there who claims it's microfidre sand.This is added to stop it drying out and to add more weight to the deals.Now if this is true about the above surely if this was really harmful the goverment would release a statement warning people of it.So if this is the only thing i can get i'll carry on smoking it until i'm warned about it.

Ok someones bound to come on here and say the gov wouldn't warn you about,cause they will if there's some bad coke ect they warn you so why wouldn't they do the same about green

[paddyahern]

If the "sand" is being set on fire, won't it melt? It'll just turn into mucus then, which can be coughed up easily.

Anyways, Silicosis happens in mining operations, building sites etc. where silicon is present. The difference here is that the workers are breathing in huge amounts of the particles in the atmosphere. We are smoking them, I'm pretty sure it's not as dangerous as it's being made out to be.

That's even if the dust is sand or silicone.

Silica is present in the cell walls of many plants, Cannabis included. So wheither your grass is "spiked" or not, your smoking silica and have been your whole toking career.

"To the naked eye it looks like high quality cannabis, but when smoked it leaves a residue of fine sand. "
http://forum.tdpf.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=576&sid=485015e0f61bf881b1e7ec9dc1e76497

Even if that residue get's in your lungs, it will ge caught in the mucus.

The whole thing is a joke. With no evidence at all people are scaremongering.

[WeedyBoyWonder]

If the "sand" is being set on fire, won't it melt? It'll just turn into mucus then, which can be coughed up easily.

Anyways, Silicosis happens in mining operations, building sites etc. where silicon is present. The difference here is that the workers are breathing in huge amounts of the particles in the atmosphere. We are smoking them, I'm pretty sure it's not as dangerous as it's being made out to be.

That's even if the dust is sand or silicone.

Silica is present in the cell walls of many plants, Cannabis included. So wheither your grass is "spiked" or not, your smoking silica and have been your whole toking career.

"To the naked eye it looks like high quality cannabis, but when smoked it leaves a residue of fine sand. "
http://forum.tdpf.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=576&sid=485015e0f61bf881b1e7ec9dc1e76497

Even if that residue get's in your lungs, it will ge caught in the mucus.

The whole thing is a joke. With no evidence at all people are scaremongering.

Exlain about the people that have been taken to hospital with bleeding lungs then...?

[kongo]

Thanks for the heads up brethren!

I'm in Dublin,Ireland and we've been getting that shit well were getting it.I knew there was sumtin up with it.I've been smokin for years but was esperate so got me hands on a bit for a while.I smoke pure but every j I rolled was wasted couldnt get a drag and when you could there was no smoke on the exhale.Thankfully I didnt smoke it long but still I shoulda known!Everything we get here is shit unless you get it from no1 sorce which is rare.

I'm gona spread the word and big thanks again!

We need more like you.

[Abattoir Dream]

If the "sand" is being set on fire, won't it melt? It'll just turn into mucus then, which can be coughed up easily.


This weed has been sptrayed with soem sort of silica spray used in model making and may be extremely dangerous when smoked - not just due to the glue but if the small gritty glassy particles are inhaled it may lead to bleeding lungs.

remember.... we are SMOKING it, not sucking it up thru a straw... some of you seem to forget... roaches, water, gauzes... they all stop us 'inhaling' crap, and as for the bleeding lungs... ive never heard such verbal cow manure in my life... if it doesnt cut our fingers... what makes you think it will cut our lungs???

i think its all bullshit... and i have had that weed... and fucking right i took it back... just look elswhere if you dont wanna waste your health...

i dont think its anything to really worry about... just wash the weed in warm water if your that bothered.. the sand will come right off...

[purpleponcho]

abattoir dream, you are really missing the point here. this stuff is being called 'sand' because it appears to be a silica based substance, as yet noone has confirmed what it actually is. it would appear this 'sand' has been applied while the plant is still growing, as it is all through the bud and not just on the outside. such additives, like brix+, may add 200 gm to 1 kilo of dried bud, so in that case, every time you buy 1 oz of weed are getting 3/4 oz weed and 1/4 oz 'sand'. personally, i'd rather just have the weed!
same applies to the health implications, noone knows as yet. you seem to be saying, 'if i can't see it, it won't do me any harm'. if there is visible contamination, there may also be contamination which is not visible to the naked eye. perhaps some kind of fixing agent to hold the 'sand' in place.
as for, "if it doesn't cut your fingers...". you don't think the thin membrane lining of your lungs is anything like the thick skin on your fingers do you??? lol. and not everyone smokes their weed anyway.
this is not a joke or paranoid fantasy, it is all over the uk, probably as a result of the drought, and has been reported in some parts of europe as long ago as early 2005.
in my opion it's not worth buying, for a number of reasons, and the best thing to do is tell your dealer you won't buy it, but to let you know if anything else turns up.

[mackSwell]

Anything that has superfine particles/fibers (such as asbestos) can cause lung problems, because some particles can make it down into the alveoli, and your lungs aren't able to expell it with coughing. Some small particles are captured and expelled with mucous. It's the ones that aren't that cause the problems. Your body then tries to dissolve remaining foreign substances, and this causes scar tissue in the lungs, which leads to breathing troubles, and in some cases, cancer.

If particles on the weed are large enough to be visible, they are too large to get lodged in the alveoli.


Sand/Silica is what glass is made of. If it gets hot enough to melt, it won't "turn to mucous"... It will turn to glass particles. BUT... Silica has a melting point of about 2000 degrees C (about 3630 degrees F)... So unless you've got one crazy-ass lighter, you're not going to convert any sand/silica to glass!


If people are having problems with bleeding lungs, it's more likely due to a bacteria, or possibly even a mold.

Good rule of thumb: Don't smoke weed that appears to have ANYTHING weird on it!

[TheBudBuster]

nice thread.. its a fked up situation

[savagepossum]

its a fucked up world

[LIP]

IF it's sand, it wont be harmfull, as far as i know. The heat from a ligher or a burning joint isnt hot enough to melt sand, so everything will burn apart from the sand, which will be in the ash.

If it's something other than hash, get a new dealer. Simple as that, no need for threads, no need for discussion, no need for arguments. Know who your buying from. It ISNT hard, it's takes time, and you have to make friends with people before they'll let you into secrets, but as long as you dont give up, you'll get there in the end, and have a good source of GREAT bud at low prices.

Good dealers arnt kids.

Good dealers wouldnt buy sandy bud, let alone sell it on, even if they were missing out on profit.

Good dealers are not dealers, they are business men, with business sense, running the cannabis distibrution like a business... a very profitable one.

[mattmao]

lip is spot on get yourself a good dealer,but somebody asked earlier what about amsterdam,well i posted a thred about 6 weeks ago on the same subject.most of this weed is coming from holland,its all over the uk and germany,the reason for this spraying is that the bud has been shaken removing most of the crystal then it is sprayed to make it look authentic.the problem i have is why dont people know what they are smoking,what else would you be prerpared to put into a rizla and smoke,educate yourself get to know your dealer,if you buy something and your not happy take it back,if all else fails learn to grow all the information you need is here!!dont tolorate this shit and it will have to go away,the more that is bought then more will be on the streets.wise up all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JAYCEY451]

This is a great thread because we all need to somewhat rely on eachovers information about what is going on in cultivation nowadays, because we aren't exactly going to get info this detailed from our Media/Government.

Keep up the good work

[WeedyBoyWonder]

THIS IS A ONE-OFF POST- PLEASE CIRCULATE. VERY IMPORTANT.

I have done a basic analysis on the contaminants of 3 batches of bud from SW, SE and London- I have also seen similar samples from many, many sources, starting at the end of february 2006.

1: Under microscope at 50x magnification, contaminants appear as very small (50-120 um) beads, with regular circular shape and small pores/ single holes present.

2: Beads do not dissolve in non polar solvents (pet ether) or polar solvents (ethanol, acetone).

3: Beads are insoluble in conc NaOH solution, conc H2SO4.

4: Melting point is above 400C, but cannot perform TG, DTG analysis at the moment so cannot specify any transition temperatures or accurate melting points.

5: The beads have a significant sodium and silicon content, suggesting that the comments previously about silicates are correct.

6: Smoking this has resulted in mouth ulcers and sore throats/ chesty coughs which never occur when smoking normally due to the good health and only occasional cannabis use of the subject.

7: Reliable sources say that this contaminant is industrial etchant spray used for glass frosting, It is a high pressure aerosol of propellant, lubricant and silicate abrasives. This accounts for the high permeation levels displayed in all 3 samples, with particulates presents inside even 'tight' buds all the way into the stems. This also may account for the non plany oils present in the bud which have been previously described as a 'glue'

8: The same sources (and other independent sources) have corroborated the same story of the origin of this contamination. The main suppliers are from 2 major cities to the north of wales and are gangs from these two cities. Most people will guess where I mean as the post 'drought' supplies are mainly concentrated around these cities.

9: Obviously a further qualitative analysis is needed and I may be able to perform MS, IR, NMR and thermal methods on the samples, in particular the oil 'glue' and the gritty particulates.

10: DO NOT SMOKE THIS, IT MAY POSE A SIGNIFICANT HEALTH HAZARD AND WE MAY SEE A DRUG TAKING COMMUNITY CRISIS ON A LARGER SCALE THAN THE MPTP CRISIS OF THE EARLY 80'S.

BUYERS: PLEASE RECONSIDER BEFORE BUYING ANY MORE OF THIS, AND CONSIDER THE DAMAGE YOU MAY BE CAUSING TO YOUR CUSTOMERS.

PLEASE RE-READ POINT 7. IT IS THE MOST RELIABLE INDICATOR OF THE MOST OBSERVED CONTAMINANTS.
OTHER CONTAMINANTS SUCH AS NATURAL SAND ARE PROBABLY THE RESULT OF SUPPLIERS COPYING THE ETCHANT METHOD WITH WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO HAND.

[Delta9 UK]

http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?t=3640

in the last hour or so, these pics have been posted

LCA Forum has been hacked :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[eil]

its good that someone has took the time to warn us all nice one 4 that, you don't take lung diseases lightly i knew a great guy 49 years old die of oesophagus's cancer that got on to the lungs, what a way to go you know that silage smell on motorways when your driving that was the smell coming from his mouth he couldn't swallow anything he had a tube via his nose, he constantly was spitting a dark brown liquid it was a true nasty time for those who loved and adored to watch, this wasn't caused through the workforce, they said it was a lifestyle what a price to pay so when some one takes the time to warn you don't wait till the government puts warnings out do you think they will for a minority such as us not a chance, yer you do what you want but if you think about it at least we know about it know as we never before nice one for that

[iamafridge]

hey all, been informing to hear about this madness with weed getting mixed with things. Had a smoke of this stuff last week and would be interested to know if it looks dodgy?

There was a small residue after breaking up the weed for rolling.

[ZeldaG.]

im pretty sure thats the grity shit (glass grass) if you havnt consumed it yet lick your finger (or the bud) and touch the bud than lick it again, now bite about with your teeth and if you feel sand in betwean the teeth go to whoever you just got that off and kick their ass than fucking tell em to get some proper weed and to stop fucking about with that nnasty shit....

thats my couple of pennies...

[mc-blaze21]

thats really bad man why do they have to tamper with our weed man it's fucking jokes and im sick of it. we have some of this black mould going round where i live at the minute well its mixed with normal white mould but still its there. i aint seen some of this glass grass as of yet but no doubt i'll be seeing it very soon. more people should be aware of the dangers that other people are putting us in. ive copied and posted bits of this thread in to an email and sent it to my local paper so hopefully it will make press and the people of milton keynes and the surrounding areas will get to no the truth about all this peace all stay safe and happy tokeing!

[mc-blaze21]

right its sent to all of my local papers and ive sent it to the big news papers as well i just hope it gets the word spred coz not every one has the net or even bothers to go on there any more. so them people are going to be unaware of what is going on out there with our weed man. well thats my bit done if there is any thing and i mean any thing i can do for you boys in england then dont hessatate to ask im all ways on here but if im not my email is [email protected] just give me a shout peace to all!!

[iamafridge]

hey all, all the weed is gone, didn't have a chance to do the lick test, i dont think ill accept any of that anymore, got some today and its grit free and such a good smoke, £15 a gram though but :D

[savagepossum]

hey why is your use name 'i am a fridge' lol

[divestoned]

im a lil confused as to why spray it on the weed?? cause it looks like crystally weed?? is this an attempt to improve the presentation?

[iamafridge]

hey why is your use name 'i am a fridge' lol

because im quite chilled :stoned:

how about your name savagepossum? :p

[LIP]

£15 a gram? WTF? Pay no more than £6 a gram. Weed IS NOT that expensive. IF anyone if trying to sell that your being ripped off royaly, no matter where you are in England.

If you have to find a new dealer, but fuck.

[iamafridge]

LIP i hate to agree with you, the situation in northern ireland is not great, or maybe im not in the know well enough to get better deals :) This one dealer has usually been £20 for 2.5 gramms but with the drought and busts weed has been hard to come by :(

smokes great, that is what counts :rastasmoke:

[LIP]

Indeed it is. It's a shame you have to pay so much. If my weed was that expensive i wouldnt be able to afford it for very long.

[Gatekeeper777]

I work with sand or silica dust. silicosis is worse then emphazima, and black lung.
That bad thing about silicosis os you only need to be exposed one time to do perminant damage to your lungs.
Who was the dumb ass that thought up this hair brained idea?
HOW FUCKING DUMB Can YOU GET ! ?????

[Gatekeeper777]

remember.... we are SMOKING it, not sucking it up thru a straw... some of you seem to forget... roaches, water, gauzes... they all stop us 'inhaling' crap, and as for the bleeding lungs... ive never heard such verbal cow manure in my life... if it doesnt cut our fingers... what makes you think it will cut our lungs???

i think its all bullshit... and i have had that weed... and fucking right i took it back... just look elswhere if you dont wanna waste your health...

i dont think its anything to really worry about... just wash the weed in warm water if your that bothered.. the sand will come right off...

Bullshit? I work with it. you doubt what i say then go snort a beach.

[DeepFriedBrain]

I've heard this stuff being called Dutch Brick, and the glass beads are used in sandblasting.