Please Pray for the Pope

[Bong30]

He is going to Help, and I have a bad feeling about it. I hope all goes well.

God Bless the Pope....and the people that he is going to meet with. My they have a long lasting relationship.


WORLD
Pope To Make Historic Trip to Turkey
By Brian Murphy

The Associated Press



ATHENS, Greece â?? When Pope Benedict XVI goes to Turkey this month for his first papal visit to a Muslim nation, he will in effect be making two distinct journeys.The global spotlight will be on what efforts he makes to win back the respect of Muslims angered by his remarks on religious violence and the Prophet Muhammad. The other will be a pilgrimage to one of Christianity's last toeholds in Turkey.

Together they represent a test of Benedict's diplomatic finesse as he tries to calm Muslim ire while being pressed to make a forceful statement in defense of the rights of Christian minorities in Muslim lands.

The scheduled Nov. 29 meeting in Istanbul between the pope and Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, the spiritual leader of the world's Orthodox Christians, will be the latest display of fellowship between the two ancient branches of Christianity and reinforce the dream of ending their nearly 1,000-year estrangement.

No breakthrough is expected at Bartholomew's walled compound in Istanbul, formerly the Christian Byzantine capital Constantinople before falling to Muslim armies in 1453.

Instead, the visit may highlight the weak links in efforts to heal the East-West divide in Christianity, which was sealed in 1054 after centuries of feuds over papal authority and differences in the liturgy.

Bartholomew is called the "first among equals" among the Orthodox leaders, but he wields little real power over the world's more than 250 million Orthodox. That power rests with the patriarchs of the various self-governing churches, the largest of which is the Russian Orthodox Church of Patriarch Alexy II, who rebuffed overtures by the late Pope John Paul II for a groundbreaking trip to Moscow.

Alexy is at the center of one of the main Orthodox complaints: the growth of Eastern Rite churches, which follow many Orthodox rites but are under the Vatican's jurisdiction. Orthodox fear the churches are expanding Vatican influence and luring away followers in Ukraine and other traditional Orthodox regions. The Vatican denies it is trying to poach Orthodox believers.

Benedict has had a better reception than John Paul among Orthodox leaders because of his affinity for the traditions of early Christianity and his respected theological scholarship. Alexy has suggested he might consider meeting Benedict, perhaps in a neutral third country, if there is progress on the Eastern Rite quarrels and other issues.

On Friday at the Vatican, Benedict said the four-day Turkey trip beginning Nov. 28 "will be a further sign of consideration for the Orthodox churches and will act as a stimulus to quicken the steps toward re-establishing full communion."

His remarks did not address the furor stoked by his Sept. 12 speech, in which he quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor's description of Islam as a religion spread by the sword. But the Turkish officials he will meet include the head of religious affairs, Ali Bardakoglu, a top Islamic cleric who has said the pope's words threatened world peace.

On the Orthodox front, Benedict acknowledged, much still needs to be done.

The Orthodox leadership, too, is facing internal struggles over how to deal with a lopsided equation: Their fragmented structure versus the central authority that holds spiritual sway over 1.1 billion Roman Catholics.

"The issue of papal primacy remains a very difficult one for the Orthodox," said the Rev. Igor Yevgeniyevich Vyzhanov, a Russian church spokesman. "This meeting with the pope should be just seen in terms of bilateral relationship between the Vatican and the ecumenical patriarchate. It cannot be seen as talks between the pope and the entire Orthodox world."

But Bartholomew's struggles still resonate far beyond his tiny enclave in Istanbul.

His pleas for minority rights carry particular sensitivity in Turkey, whose bid for European Union membership hinges on expanding religious and cultural freedoms.

In early November, Turkey's parliament passed a law allowing properties confiscated in the 1970s by the state to be returned to Christian and Jewish minority foundations. The decision, however, did not specifically address Orthodox demands to reopen a theological school shuttered 21 years ago.

"This trip could reinforce what many Orthodox already feel â?? that Pope Benedict is interested in making a real effort at healing the differences," said Thomas FitzGerald, dean at the Holy Cross Greek Orthodox School of Theology in Brookline, Massachusetts.

[B.Basher]

Shouldn't have stirred shit up in the first place with his rootless arrogance.

[Bong30]

B.... you have a small mind

let me expand it for you.....

I agree with him 100%, but if you dont. He is still going to a hostile country, trying to make peace.

In christyanity.... you can make a mistake (sin) ask for forgivness. Right?

So if you think he made a mistake, and he is going on this trip to try to put the good hand forward....trying to make up for it..He is Wrong, or are YOU....


B its you.

Debate that he is trying to put forward a good hand.

Remember all he did was speak the truth.......

He didnt say all Muslims were apes and Pigs did he? They do???WTF HUH?

Remember Infidel, the people you defend, will chop your head off just as quik.

[B.Basher]

Your pretty hung up on the apes and pigs eh? :p

No doubt i'm glad he's at least trying to right his wrongs but he's no hero and doesn't deserve credit for it. Someone in his position in today's world has a responsibility, what they say can 'cause a whole heap of trouble.

He's a very important religious figure and his words influence millions of people. He was an ignorant old fool to spout anti-islamic comments in a public speech. We all know Islam is a ticking time bomb, he was throwing fuel on the fire to appease his fellow Christian bigots. He can go clean up his shit like he should and if they chop his head off it's his own fucking fault. Would you wish a criminal luck before his or her trial?

[Bong30]

EG^^^^^ its you

that was easy

[Bong30]

I am hung up on apes and pigs cause it is taught to kids to demonize us... so we are easier to kill....

Nuke the apes and pigs........(pres of iran HUH? he said he was huh?)


seams worth getting hung up on DDDUUHHHHHHHH.

[WalkaWalka]

What he said was very foolish if could you say pseaudo Jesus people thing to say. I hope he doesn't go and get his head blown off.
and your only going to pray for him cause Glenn Beck told you to.

[Bong30]

I am going to pray for him cause i think his life is in danger.

He is extending an Olive branch...so to say.

I dont remember hearing Glenn Beck saying that.....I listen to Radio all day, while I work... It could have been many people....could have been glenn, I thought i missed him today. I was busy

[B.Basher]

EG^^^^^ its you

that was easy

Thanks for the deep explanation. Explain how i'm wrong if you can. You seek revenge against Islamic leaders for condemning your own religion. Explain how this is any different in principle.

[eg420ne]

EG^^^^^ its you

that was easy

LoL ----what a DONG!:thumbsup:

[B.Basher]

LoL ----what a DONG!:thumbsup:

I can usually recognise a lost cause but my curiosity gets the better of me. :p

[andruejaysin]

Somehow I dought the pope wants the prayers of a bunch of potheads. Not that it matters, all that awaits him in the end is a hole in the ground. I only hope that in his final moment he realizes that, and that he lived his entire life in service to a false god. But perhaps he knows that already, it would be hard to justify molesting alterboys if he actually believed any of it.

[Bong30]

Somehow I dought the pope wants the prayers of a bunch of potheads. Not that it matters, all that awaits him in the end is a hole in the ground. I only hope that in his final moment he realizes that, and that he lived his entire life in service to a false god. But perhaps he knows that already, it would be hard to justify molesting alterboys if he actually believed any of it.

Let me explain something to you......

If you sin you can be forgiven.....

Molesting alter Boys is WRONG.....Child Molestation happens in the real world too. The difference is...

The Archadiese (church) put out a call to ANY PERSON that might have been abused to come forward and make it know and get a settlement...$$$$$$$

So they said it was wrong....appoligized, went after the perpatrators, and Paid money to the people that it happened to......

What else can you do? Cant turn back time......when will you forgive?

You just hate the Pope, you hate America, Hate Christians.....So it is easy for you to see it the way you do.

[andruejaysin]

Perhaps the pope can improve his image with muslims by pointing out he was in the hitler youth. Nothing like hatred of jews to bring muslims and christians together.

[Bong30]

The only hope is.....People Change, I hope your dumb ass does.

Im sure he has.

[andruejaysin]

Yes, he certainly has. While the nazis hated homosexuals and would no dought have killed pedophile priests, the pope views it as a matter which can be solved with a few hail marys and reassignment to a new parrish.

[Bong30]

After you pull your head out....

I said charge the perpatrators........


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4196/is_20060121/ai_n16024343


Retired priest charged in assault of girls in 1960s; He served as
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Jan 21, 2006 by TOM HEINEN

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An 83-year-old retired Catholic priest now living in Missouri was charged this week in Dodge County with sexually assaulting three girls in Beaver Dam in the mid-1960s while serving as a hospital chaplain.

Father Bruce Duncan MacArthur has been taken into custody, and extradition proceedings have started, Dodge County District Attorney Steven Bauer announced Friday. A priest of the Diocese of Sioux Falls, S.D., he resides at a residential facility for abusive clergy outside St. Louis.

"This man is a sex offender," Bauer said in a prepared statement. "Although he is elderly, we cannot hesitate to bring someone to justice for horrific crimes merely because he has been able to avoid prosecution for so many years."

MacArthur was charged with two counts of sexual intercourse with a child, four counts of indecent behavior with a child and one count of attempted indecent behavior with a child.


Here is more preists being charged as criminals....


http://www.bishop-accountability.org/news3/1986_10_31_UnitedPressInternational_PriestAnd_Jame s_Funke_1.htm

Priest and Teacher Charged with Sexual Assault

United Press International
October 31, 1986

Discovery of pornographic materials in a Roman Catholic priest's room may result in additional charges against the cleric and a lay teacher already accused of sexually assaulting a 16-year-old boy, authorities said Friday.

The Rev. James Funke, who was charged with sexual assault Thursday, is accused of attacking the youth in early October at the rectory of St. Bernadette Catholic Church in Lemay, where he is associate pastor.

Funke is also a biology teacher at Bishop DuBourg High School in St. Louis, where the teenager is a student.

Jerome Robben, 44, a history teacher at DuBourg, was also charged with sexual assault Thursday in St. Louis County Circuit Court. Police said Robben did not actually take part in the attack but encouraged the youth to submit.

About six former DuBourg students were being interviewed because they also may have been victimized.

Police seized a large quantity of what they called child pornography from the priest's room at the rectory said additional charges could be filed.

Both men were arrested Wednesday in an investigation prompted by a telephone call to a child-abuse hot line.

Officers said Robben and Funke both have given statements to police.

Auxiliary Bishop Edward O'Donnell of the St. Louis Archdiocese said the church, "like the rest of the community, was deeply concerned about the allegations, especially when people holding positions of trust are involved. We are concerned especially about any young people involved."

Detective Susan Carr said the victim's mother became suspicious of Funke's relationship with her son because the priest purchased things for the boy but never visited the family.

Carr said the youth told his mother about several incidents at the rectory after she questioned him. The mother took the boy to a counseling service, which called the hot line.

The victim was enticed rather than intimidated and consented to Funke's advances, detectives said. They said the priest bought beer for the boy and gave him money for a car.

Materials found at Robben's home included photographs, videotapes and commercial films, investigators said. They said Robben's activities were confined to taking pictures and tapes.

Funke and Robben were suspended pending the investigation's completion, school officials said.


OK so

They get charged with a crime....

they pay retribution...

say sorry....

what more can you do? assuming you cant turn back time.....

[andruejaysin]

They were charged by secular courts, after a long career molesting children while the church pretended not to notice. No, you can't turn back time. That's why it's important to stop them before the damage is done.

[Bong30]

They are facing it, and saying enough is enough..... what more can they do?

[BobBong]

They are facing it, and saying enough is enough..... what more can they do?

If only you could feel the same way about Muslims.... right?

[Bong30]

what Muslims have stood up....?

show me....


what Muslim leader went to the radicals and said enough is enough....


Post it smart guy.....

[B.Basher]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm
Muslim group speaks out against terrorism to stop bigotry in the UK

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
Islamic quotes against terrorism

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
Islam for Today story on anti terrorism muslims

If you care to look for it, you'll find it. Your living in denial mate.

[Torog]

Howdy BB,

Well gee..ain't that nice..btw,do any of them there muslims have any power to change things ? Will they issue a Fatwa or decree of some kind,that will change things ? Because right now-they're mostly just pissin in the wind.

Have a good one ...

[Breukelen advocaat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5111092.stm
Muslim group speaks out against terrorism to stop bigotry in the UK

http://www.unc.edu/~kurzman/terror.htm
Islamic quotes against terrorism

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm
Islam for Today story on anti terrorism muslims

If you care to look for it, you'll find it. Your living in denial mate.

Too little, too late. Tne quote, "Muslim group speaks out against terrorism to stop bigotry in the UK", calls oppositon to Islamic extremeism "bigotry", which is not what it is: It's called self-preservation.

One of the religious quotes on the â??Islam for Todayâ?� website, referenced above, is: "By God, he is not a true believer, from whose mischief his neighbors do not feel secure."
Prophet Mohammed (Bukhari, Muslim)

The Koranâ??s use of the word â??neighborâ?� is referring to other Muslims, NOT the infidels This is a definite, and those bozos know it.

Personally, before wars and violence, Iâ??d use boycotts and separatism - at least until they reach some understanding that we're not going to take any more bullshit. Basically, just keep them the fuck away from us. Unfortunately, in the world of big business, and politically correct do-gooders, this is not an option.

[Psycho4Bud]

Will they issue a Fatwa or decree of some kind,that will change things ? Because right now-they're mostly just pissin in the wind.

Have a good one ...

A Fatwa is the ONLY thing that they will respect and abide by. This hasn't happened at all from the middle east so I really don't understand how people even think that Muslim religious leaders at the current time are looking for "change".


Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[BobBong]

A Fatwa is the ONLY thing that they will respect and abide by. This hasn't happened at all from the middle east so I really don't understand how people even think that Muslim religious leaders at the current time are looking for "change".


Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Change starts at home.

[Bong30]

Tell them to start the Change BOB....


I call it a reformation.......For so long, im sick of typing it.


Bob, B basher, Eg, and many others...... = head in the sand Libs..... Not a name but a lable.

"useful Idiots" come to mind......Too, not a name, but a Lable.

Ring ring......

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In political jargon, the term "useful idiot" was used during the Cold War by anti-communists to describe Soviet sympathizers in western countries (particularly in the United States) and the alleged attitude of the Soviet government towards them. The implication was that the person in question was naïve, foolish, or in willful denial, and that he or she was being cynically used by the Soviet Union, or another Communist state. The term is still in use and used more broadly to describe someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.


^^^^^^^You guys to a T ^^^^^^^^

[B.Basher]

Regarding the links:

Torog and Bong, you have a point that there is an absence of Muslims in authorative positions attempting to help the situation, but the evidence is there that your typically Christian muslim bashing is clearly rooted in generalisation. I doubt you'd even aknowledge that any form of Muslims speaking out against the fanatics of their own religion is a step in the right direction, it's much easier for you as fanatics yourself to bask in your own hatred.

Tell me i'm an idiot and do nothing to prove otherwise as I much expect you will.

[B.Basher]

someone who is perceived to be manipulated by political movement, terrorist group, or hostile government, whether or not the group is Communist in nature.

You couldn't find a more far off description of my motivations. I find politics a deeply imperfect system full of lies, deceit and manipulation. Calling me a terrorist or terrorist sympathiser makes you sound like a frustrated child and the hostile government is exactly my problem half the time.

So you found a negative quotation more complex than anything you could come up with yourself and hoped it would account for everyone on here. It doesn't hurt to swallow your pride once in a while you know.

[andruejaysin]

You should strive to be a useful idiot bong, it would be a step up from what you are.

[Psycho4Bud]

Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Change starts at home.

This has been an ongoing thing now for what, 60 years or so? So if "change starts at home", WHERE'S THE FATWA? What middle eastern Sunni/Shi-ite clerics FROM the Middle East are pushing for this?

These are the people that need to bring change because it's their people putting on the suicide vests, launching rockets across borders, suicide cars, jacking airplanes, etc..........

Sorry Bob but your reply reminds me of a song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW054-I7Xa8).

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[VoidLivesOn]

Let me explain something to you......

If you sin you can be forgiven.....

Molesting alter Boys is WRONG.....Child Molestation happens in the real world too. The difference is...

The Archadiese (church) put out a call to ANY PERSON that might have been abused to come forward and make it know and get a settlement...$$$$$$$

So they said it was wrong....appoligized, went after the perpatrators, and Paid money to the people that it happened to......

What else can you do? Cant turn back time......when will you forgive?

You just hate the Pope, you hate America, Hate Christians.....So it is easy for you to see it the way you do.

I was wondering if you knew, in fact, where most of that money came from? The money that is used to pay off the little kids who were molested in settlements. I'm sure priests wern't posted up on the corners of Vatican City sellin dime bags to distressed mothers of molested little boys. Maybe its a cycle.

Just kidding.

In all seriousness though I remember my 10th grade teacher telling me something like this: He said that, in church I forgot what its called, but they put a plate around and people give money? Well that money is then rounded up and sent to the pope in Vatican City and they used some of it to pay off the kids who were molested.

I can't totally vouch for that but ummm you think thats right?

[andruejaysin]

Molesting boys is vital to the church. The ones who like it join the preisthood. Worked like a charm for hundreds of years. And if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Bong30]

It is broke, so they are trying to fix it......



^^^ the only person I knw that hate christians as much as you is EG......

[BobBong]

This has been an ongoing thing now for what, 60 years or so? So if "change starts at home", WHERE'S THE FATWA? What middle eastern Sunni/Shi-ite clerics FROM the Middle East are pushing for this?

These are the people that need to bring change because it's their people putting on the suicide vests, launching rockets across borders, suicide cars, jacking airplanes, etc..........

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

There are many.. they're just not doing it FROM the middle east anymore because those that object to them speaking out.. generally like to behead those that disagree with them. Those that have spoken out, had their bodies found without heads.. and the heads still haven't been found to this day.

What about Saddam's sister?
What about Saddam's two brothers (who he killed hiimself)

Have you ever had to flee a country in fear of your life? I haven't, i really.. really hope that i never have to.

They do speak out.. very loudly. They also teach the "moderate" muslims that what is taking place is against what they are teaching.

Flee the country, then speak out. Or speak out.. and have your head taken off.

You don't hear them speaking out from the middle east because there's so many bombs going off nobody can hear them... flee the country and speak out and still nobody listens because they're not "From the middle east".

Ironically... people look at the colour of their skin and assume they ARE from the middle east.

So it sounds like the muslims are.. damned if they do blow themselves up.. and damned if they don't.

You certainly don't go into a Red part of L.A and call everyone "CUZ". So why would these people stand in the middle of Bahgdad and call everyone a fanatical.

What's happening over there needs to stop, yea. We also need the help of those from the community that want this to stop, I agree. However... like I said before, Change starts at home... whether it's our home or theirs.. the change will start somewhere. :thumbsup:

Bob

[VoidLivesOn]

Wow what happens when to mods disagree on politics?

THIS IS ANARCHY!

[BobBong]

Wow what happens when to mods disagree on politics?

THIS IS ANARCHY!

Simple opinion expression baby.. :thumbsup: :dance:

[andruejaysin]

^^^ the only person I knw that hate christians as much as you is EG......Nonsense, no one hates christians as much as me.

[Fengzi]

The Pope is nothing more than the leader of the largest criminal organization in the world. Plus, whether or not he has a cross hanging from his neck he's still just a politician. I have no interest in praying for him as a person. I do hope his trip does some good, however. The less strife between Christians and Muslims the better.

[Breukelen advocaat]

It is broke, so they are trying to fix it......



^^^ the only person I knw that hate christians as much as you is EG......


The Catholic Church does not count itself in the same ballpark as other christians - they believe it is the ONE TRUE CHURCH. Every body else goes to hell. This is what I was taught during my ten years in catholic schools.

BTW, do you go to church every week, and on the holidays? How about the other rules and regulations about your personal life -do you follow them religiously? If not, do you go to "confession", and plead for forgiveness? Were you in a catholic school with brothers and/or nuns, lay teachers, etc., that hit and terrorized the children with threats and lies- or worse?

If the answer to any of those questions is "NO", then you don't know what a growing up as a catholic is really like for many of us that went through it.

When the last pope, bishop, cardinal and priest are dead the world will be rid of a scourge worse than any disease we've ever had on earth.

[Fengzi]

terrorized the children with threats and lies- or worse?


Oh come on Breuk, you can't just blame the Catholics. That's just not fair. Isn't this the basic strategy of all religions ;)

[andruejaysin]

Sure, but terrorizing them for sexual purposes seems to be the catholic's innovation.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Oh come on Breuk, you can't just blame the Catholics. That's just not fair. Isn't this the basic strategy of all religions ;)

I'm speaking from personal experience but, yes, it is the only way to keep their flock. The catholic church's one true boast is "We never change".

The Quakers, and I have some ancestors in my tree that belonged to this sect, were not nearly as bad as other religions of their time. Quakers in colonial New England were discriminated against, and persecuted by, the Puritans and other larger denominations. Quakers were among the first to oppose slavery.

At this time, Islam is a greater threat to the future of the human race and this planet than any other major religion or political movement, past or present.

[Fengzi]

Sure, but terrorizing them for sexual purposes seems to be the catholic's innovation.

Well, maybe not their innovation, but they certainly have perfected it.


I'm speaking from personal experience but, yes, it is the only way to keep their flock. The catholic church's one true boast is "We never change".
. I went to Catholic school too. Although it was high school and I came in with a fresh mind unaltered by any previous brainwashing. I only went because the school was supposed to be considerably better than the public school alternative. Biggest bunch of bs I ever heard. It simply amazed me that so many would get in line to say "baaaa". No wonder they kicked me out after a couple years.

[Psycho4Bud]

What's happening over there needs to stop, yea. We also need the help of those from the community that want this to stop, I agree. However... like I said before, Change starts at home... whether it's our home or theirs.. the change will start somewhere. :thumbsup:

Bob

So the moderates are leaving in fear of death (beheading) and from "other countries" are speaking out against the radicals in charge.

"Change begins at home" or in this case the middle east. Now if the moderates can't make change and are fleeing to different lands it gives me the opinion that they just might be the minority.

Sounds like your in agreement with Bush that we can either fight them there.......or here. THEY strap on the suicide vests, THEY drive off in cars loaded with explosives, THEY highjack airliners.......

I don't understand the logic that acknowledges a threat but still wants to pull troops, funding from the region that this stems from. Do you want the fight to be in your own backyard instead?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

Wow what happens when to mods disagree on politics?

THIS IS ANARCHY!

In politics everybodys ass is up for grabs..............DAMN BOB THE TREEHUGGER!!!:dance: LMAO

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Fengzi]

I don't understand the logic that acknowledges a threat but still wants to pull troops, funding from the region that this stems from.
:


Umm, I thought you supported the war in Iraq :confused: Sounds like you're saying we should have kept the emphasis in Afghanistan instead.

[Psycho4Bud]

Umm, I thought you supported the war in Iraq :confused: Sounds like you're saying we should have kept the emphasis in Afghanistan instead.

I think we're doing right in both countries........by the time it's done there will either be more or we will just be letting them get prepaired for the future. For some reason....cough, cough.......Iran comes to mind.

If anyone thinks that Iran wants nuclear technology for peaceful purposes; well, I got 20 acres of prime real estate for sale in Candy Land right by the chocolate factory.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[BobBong]

In politics everybodys ass is up for grabs..............DAMN BOB THE TREEHUGGER!!!:dance: LMAO

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

LoL.. screw you, hippie!:dance:

If it comes to it, I'll be right there just like any other person.
You say that it'll be in my backyard(besides the fact that i don't have one) but are we being invaded?

Acts of terrorism are an perverse invasion but acts of terrorism can be controlled.
The war on terror, turned to the war in iraq. Londoner's came out with a "we are not afraid" logo yet.. it's pretty apparent that many of them are.

I'm not so sure that there would be any fight in anyone's backyard.. if we simply knew what was going on in it..

But that's just me.

[Bong30]

I am a perfect Catholic......



I havnt bee to Mass but like once in 20 years.....went every sunday when i was a kid.

I can see the bullshit in the church.

But I can see the beauty in the religon.....

If islam would just tweek there message it would be fine in about.....3 generations.....

Did Christianity go through a reformation?

[BobBong]

I am a perfect Catholic......



I havnt bee to Mass but like once in 20 years.....went every sunday when i was a kid.

I can see the bullshit in the church.

But I can see the beauty in the religon.....

If islam would just tweek there message it would be fine in about.....3 generations.....

Did Christianity go through a reformation?

Yea it was called the crusades, then the pope supported hitler...

so what's your point?

The islamic message has been the same for hundreds if not thousands of years ..it's just been open to different interpretation...just like the bible.

It's just another brick in the wall.

[eg420ne]

I am a perfect Catholic......



?LoL ..Im a perfect catholic as well:dance: :dance: :dance:

[andruejaysin]

Someone warn the children.

[nofx12345]

if those priests molested children, what does that make u think about the leaders of Christianity?
molesting a kid is something that is serious.
u cant turn the clock back, but no amount of money is gonna fix a molested kid. its not like borrowing something breaking it and then paying back the money due. a life is something very terrible to waste. when kids are molested they will never be the same, thats the end of it.
and one more thing if they teach christian principles why would they molest kids? u would think that they knew about the bible and its teachings.
im not a Christian, but that doesn't mean i dont believe in some of the teachings and principles.

[Fengzi]

if those priests molested children, what does that make u think about the leaders of Christianity?
molesting a kid is something that is serious.
u cant turn the clock back, but no amount of money is gonna fix a molested kid. its not like borrowing something breaking it and then paying back the money due. a life is something very terrible to waste. when kids are molested they will never be the same, thats the end of it.
and one more thing if they teach christian principles why would they molest kids? u would think that they knew about the bible and its teachings.
im not a Christian, but that doesn't mean i dont believe in some of the teachings and principles.

and yet, if the child molesting priests are sorry for what they've done, and do their penance, they will go to heaven. If a baby, however, who obviously has done nothing wrong, dies before being baptized, it can never go to heaven. Someone in a remote village, on the other side of the world, who has never even heard of Jesus but has devoted their life to doing good deeds, will also not go to heaven soley because they are not a Catholic (Christian). And people wonder why I don't get in line every Sunday to have the priest put the Jesus biscuit on my tongue.

Forgive me Father for I have sinned