I think shes dying

[JackdaWack]

Well outa 4 only one is showing signs of nute burn... there alll bag seed, now i increased my nutes a couple days ago from 800 to 1000 and the 3 took off but the one has leaves that are curling down and in like a canoe, i have about a week left of flowering before there done, im gonna cut nutes in about 6 days and feed em plain water for a couple days. this is wack

[JackdaWack]

changed out my res water, hope this helps. Im loosing all my fan leaves. There is no way i shoul dbe getting nute burn at 850ppm while 6 weeks into flowering.... at least the other 3 are doin good. i started using liquid karma could this be the problem?

[Weedhound]

I've never had a problem like that with liquid karma. Only one plant is doing it? How weird. 850 doesn't sound like too much to me---I had problems with my plants having not enough nutes at that strengthin flowering. That's so weird....only one.....

[MisterE]

Are you measuring in the remote resevoir or right in the pots? Recently calibrated too?

Dont know enough to help really, but those are 'covering all the bases' questions anyway.

[JackdaWack]

remote resevior, there is no other water but that, the water is pumped to the net pots and then recirculated constantly, ppm pen just bought it.

[Weedhound]

Always a good idea Mr E, cover all the bases...hope you figure it out Jack. Was the one plant looking normal before you increased nutes or sort of sickly at that stage as well? What are your trichomes looking like at this stage?

[JackdaWack]

the other plants are lovvin it. lol so incredibly wierd the others are thrivin, and this one looks like its had enough. its got the ram horn effect going on def. looks like nute burn 100% happend over the course of 1 day and sympotms are geting worse node branches are being effected too. the plant is almost done and im thankful it is happening now and not a couple weeks back. but either way i would like it to be healthy to the end. like i said i changed the res water and im gonna keep an eye out for anything getting worse my water could have been locking out nutes as well. really no way to be sure. I'll update tomorrow with some pics. and news on hows she doin. Everything is in order and on track, its like de-railing a train with a penny.

[JackdaWack]

it was normal at first, and i was cutting the nutes back cause i thought she was done but she wasnt, so i added some back and i used a ppm meter for the first time. i had a 600 read out at first look, so i jumped it to 800. then i saw the 3 take off and the 4th wilt.

[Weedhound]

Man you got me....one plant in the same nutrient medium while the others do great.....keep us updated.......good luck

[MisterE]

Is there any way to sort of lift it up and give it a spray on the roots with plain water maybe after it floods (would that dilute the dose it receives)? Hell I dont know honestly. The plant could simply be storing more internally than the others so it's burning it some/more. Is the leaf mass about the same? Root mass? Assume so. It could be natural and it seems like all else is equal.

And again just so it's asked, you did calibrate the pen first? They definitely need it right out of the box. My meter did anyway, it was super far off when brand new.

[JackdaWack]

its off by 60 i think

damn it was off by at least 180 directions said it was factory calibrated, i figured it would be off but not by that much. my ppm is 980... though it was arounf 800

[Weedhound]

Yeah but that still doesn't answer the question why only one.....

[latewood]

if you are dripping, then have you checked the dripper on the sick plant?
piks would really help...otherwise we are just guessing. peace

[JackdaWack]

lights dont go on until tom. spent time trying to fix it, wasnt thinkin about pics. i will put some up.

[JackdaWack]

ok the first three are of the sick one and the last one is of his neighbor whos doing really good.

[Weedhound]

Dude what happened???!! Your last one does look very nice to me but I don't have a single idea on your sick baby. Hope latewood or somebody with a better eye can help you. I'll check back and see....good luck

[JackdaWack]

arrgg so fustrating, im pullin hair. How do i get a good ppm reading every time i check it it changes. and im checking it often. i give the res a nice stir but i can still see a diference in ppm from different spots in the res. Also i can see undisolved particles in my water and i put 2 air hoses in there with a pump to keep the water turning.... if i didnt it would all settle at the bottom. i use organic bitonicare products. this is so wierd i put some fresh water in to lower ppm and it stays the same. I checked the calibration on the pen its ok.

[MisterE]

Wow I wish I knew :( I topped up my small system with a half gallon a little while ago and PPM went down by 10. It's only around 8 gallons total, and I was at 560, now 550 after putting in the half gallon of plain.

Maybe you can pump out a couple of gallons and replace? I would certainly think you would see a drop anyway.

[JackdaWack]

im taking out a half gallon at a time and replacing with fresh water. my well water is at 200ppm which is ok. and im sitting at 730 right now, seems stable and my water no longer has particles in it. i think my problem might have been undesolved nutes sitting at the bottom of the res. still doesnt account for only one being effected maybe the strain requeres low ppms.

[Weedhound]

I'm guessing your roots are all white and healthy looking underneath? I'm really having trouble believing that even being off by 100ppm or something would drop that plant like that. You have the waterfarms right? Can you block the one off seperately and perhaps get some distilled water to try? I;m just throwing things out here because I really have no clue....those curled twisty leaves.....???

[JackdaWack]

no its a home made system with rubber maids. but still.. its all properly set up.

[latewood]

Are you sitting down? Just kiidding...well live and learn. I will try and help you figure out what is going wrong, but 1st.

You say you are doing rubbermaid and everything is done right...Well explain it to me please?

You say you nutrient ppm readings are low enough not to have problems...clearly you have problems. So, we need to start form info/scratch...OK?

ppm/ec meter...make/model?_________________

tap or distilled/ro water?____________________

what ph is water before nutes?_________________

ph meter...make/model?____________________

ph after nutes mixed?________________________

how do you adjust your ph?_____________________

what kind of nutes are you using?___________________

how do you mix you solution?___________________

what additives?____________________

are you growing in a box...a closet....a room?_________________

what kind of lights?___________________

location of ballast?_____________________

exhaust/ac?_______________________

room temps?_____________

canopy area temps?_______________

answer these for me and maybe we will find something. peace later

[JackdaWack]

ok, 2 rubbermaids which both drain into a res, top feed system netpots with hyrdoton. The drippers run all the time as the root just hang.

sunleaves tds meter not sure model

Well water 220ppm

i use a ph standard water kit(not elec.)

ph is about 7.5 before anything

never checked ph after nutes add, i just ph it to 5.8

i use ph down from the store

Pure blend pro bloom and liquid karma

i just put in ussually half recomended and stir

liquid karma

closet 4x8 (4x3 actually grow space)

400wtt hps

balast is in the room

exhaust 465cfm blower+carbon filter

room temps 80/68

85

[latewood]

Wow...sounds good. temps you want to try and get into low 70's in flower. It looks like toxic salt build-up???despite all the measures you took...I am kind of stumped. Heat can also contribute to those problems...what is humidity in closet?
best thing I can advise is flush completely.

perhaps you can get them back on track, but from the looks of them, the damage is done. I would consider flushing and taking the most damaged plants and harvesting them. leave the healthy one/s to finish. I use the exact system (partially, I have so many different systems)(right now I am vegging in this type of drip system and transfer to bubblers for flowering)
and you shouldn't have any problems with this. Anyway goodluck and let me know what you decide to do>>>When you start again...we will go from scratch. peace

[CaliJay]

oops

[JackdaWack]

humididty is at 40% which def. contributes to anything bad happening faster. It could be toxic build up too much salts stuck in the net pots, i keep flushing it, but maybe it only works so well. yeah im so close to harvesting them all anyway. At this point i cant even tell if she is comming back around. Unfortunately the damage is done. but the buds are still lookin ok and very resinous. NOt a complete waste, however her buds would have been alot faTTER, well see hows she smokes. thank you every one for your concerns input and advice. Sometimes even if you dont get help the support is all you need.

[JackdaWack]

i think combined, organic nutes, with rockwool 1" cubes + hydroton, is the problem, ive been noticing what i thought was little root rot, was nutes just chillin all up and over the roots. now in the pots i dont kno cause i cant see in them and flushing doesnt seem to work. you need to us your foilar spray bottle on jet to get it off. now the sick plants roots arent bad they look very good and i dont see any build up like on some of the others, however inside the pot may be diferent ive spent a good 30 mins diggin out hydroton and just spraying the roots, getting rid of any excess build up. i think with the rockwool its killing the abilty for the water to just run strait down and out. I would seriously crack up if this was a strain llike jack herrer, and ofcourse i have no idea. well bag seeds will do this i guess.

[JackdaWack]

ok, as im nearing the end of my pacience, i harvested her, she got some nice buds, and to my surprise there purple, didnt see this until now, really not sure how i missed it, i think the strain is trainwreck. Anyways back to my other babies so i dont ruin the rest of them. thnx guys, i tired to take some picks of her manicured but my camera kept spittin out blurry picks i need to get a tripod.

[latewood]

I'm guessing your roots are all white and healthy looking underneath? I'm really having trouble believing that even being off by 100ppm or something would drop that plant like that. You have the waterfarms right? Can you block the one off seperately and perhaps get some distilled water to try? I;m just throwing things out here because I really have no clue....those curled twisty leaves.....???


well Jack you could get another small pump and run a seperate rez to test with...peace