increases yeilds, speeds harvests; have you heard of/used this? Stinky, bluebear, gk

[kindprincess]

got a new product today; pennington's pride (exclusively for independent dealers) tomato bloom spray. it says, "ready to use plant growth hormone for tomatoes and vegetabes. increases yeilds-speeds harvest"

active ingredient; cytokinin as kinetin, based on biological activity......0.00008%

inert ingredients, 99.99992%

"pennington's pride tomato bloom spray is a ready-to-use plant hormone product thatprovides biological grow power to promote blossom set and fruit developement. used as recomended, tomato bloom spray will promote flowering, increase blossom set, and increase fruit yield.

tomatoes, beans, cucumbers, eggplants, melons, okra peppers strawberries and grapes will often bear earlier when treated with tomato bloom spray.

shake well before using. tomato bloom spray is ready to use as is. to promote blossom set and fruit developement spray the flowers and adjacent foliage with tomato bloom spray until the leaves are completely wet. repeat as blossoms appear or at weekly to two week intervals.

for use as directed on the following plants:

tomatoes, beans, cucumbers, eggplants, melons, okra peppers strawberries and grapes

buyer's gaurantee limited to label claims"



ok that's all of it.
so does n e one know if this works for our purposes, and/or what residual effects can be caused by cytokinin aka kinetin?

[kindprincess]

bu-ump!

[kindprincess]

n e 1?

[turtle420]

With 0.00008% active ingredients, I'm sure those 7 or 8 molecules will help the plant somewhat.

Have no experience with it.
Best

[midlifecrisis]

I think a study is in order......Can this be bought in a standard garden shop?

I did a little research and it appears that it will work on any plant to promote cell division, chlorophyll production, flowering sites and overall growth.


Small excerpt:
The exact mechanism by which this occurs is unclear but likely involves the ability of cytokinins to mobilize nutrients. Application of cytokinin to a leaf will cause it to act as a sink and nutrients will be directed towards it.

E. Greening.
Promotes the light-induced formation of chlorophyll and conversion of etioplasts to chloroplasts (greening process).

F. Promote lateral bud development.
Cytokinin application to dormant buds will cause them to develop. A witchesâ?? broom is caused by a pathogen such as the bacterium Corynebacterium fascians (or A. tumefaciens) that produces cytokinin which, in turn, causes stimulates lateral bud development (branching). These results suggest that apical dominance may be related to cytokinin, too.

For example, when tobacco cells are infected with the Ti-plasmid that has been modified to possess the heat shock promoter, a heat treatment stimulates the cells to produce increased amounts of cytokinin. These plants exhibit less apical dominance and remain green longer than non-heat treated controls. Thus, these results support the conclusion that senescence and apical dominance are related to cytokinin levels.

G. Promote cell expansion.
Cytokinins stimulate the expansion of cotyledons. This is the basis for the classical bioassay. The mechanism is associated with increased plasticity of the cell wall, not associated with acidification.

[kindprincess]

wow.....

good job midlife! i will begin experimetation TONITE!!!! ahahahahahaha!!!!!:) this will prob become my new main thread so yall keep up, k?

love, kp:p

[BlueBear]

Am I invited???
Adieu

[kindprincess]

you know it babe:D the other is starting to get too long... people don't read once the thread is a dozen pages or more:( so, yep, imma need my bear:))

love, kp:p

ps, tried the stuff. let you know tonight what's up.

[midlifecrisis]

My only real concern is how close to harvest one can apply...It is made for food, so one would assume it would pose little harm if ingested...I wait with anticipation as to any results as i just germinated some WW and am eager to experiment......Little shop of horrors here we come!

[kindprincess]

too soon to tell realy, plus there is a variable... just replace two double 48" flouro's with a 400w hps. still have 16 cfl's in there, but they will be replaced by two more 400w hps', soon as i can get a couple of ignitors.

thanx much midlife... to see where i'm coming from, check these out...
first is by a friend of a friend of a... you get the point:)

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=85454
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=88629

they are loooong! i know...

where are you bear?

as i stated b4, this may become my new thread. the other is getting too long to get noticed/replied to...:(

i will be posting daily, if not more often:)

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

ps, this is a reminder that n e thing i say is PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. i get my kicks by PRETENDING to do things im not supposed to:D

so dont take me too seriously:)

love, kp:p

[Smokealotapotamus]

paranoid much?

[CaliJay]

"paranoid much?"

Yes paranoid people are the ones that can visit you while you're in jail. The princess get a thumbs up from me for taking resonable precautions on many levels.

Peace and Love -Jay

[kindprincess]

i love you jay. realy, i love you babe:)

[kindprincess]

ummm......

[kindprincess]

hmmmm.

jay, your post is #13.:stoned:

did you do that on purpose?:cool:

love, kp;) :p

[midlifecrisis]

I know this is lengthy but it seem very informative on the subject of cytokinin, remember this is random info found on the net so bring a grain of salt:

I picked up a bottle of this the other day, It claims to promote flowering and such. Looking around the net it seems to be highly regarded by those in the "growth" field.

Has anyone tried this on herb ??? If so I would be interested in hearing the results.

Thanks Cytokinin

What brand did you buy? Seaweed extracts are usually the source in most commercial products. Pep Up was an old product from Nitron, I used to use. I believe to have cytokinins in my recipe, hehe.
Cytokinin

I've used Green Light's Tomato Bloom Spray on all of my plants for the past two years. I think it's something like 0.0002% cytokinin as kinetin. I've never done controlled, side by side experiments as the growth rate picked up so fast after the first application I couldn't think of any reason not to use it. Cytokinin

Hi All,
AF experimented with a cytokinin spray once, and concluded it wasn't beneficial for cannabis growing. It produced buds which appeared deceptively large, but lacked the density normal for the strain involved. It also kept the plants involved from finishing normally. So, after giving the plants 2 weeks more than normal, they still hadn't produced as much by weight as they normally would. At that point my friend chose to take down that batch and call the experiment a failure. YMMV

HTH
Dr. Evil Cytokinin

Cytokins help acclerate which ever stage they are in at the time . If I remember right they also increase yield by increasing cell size . I started using them about 5 yrs ago and found that they have only helped yield ( use nitrozyme ) . Cytokinin

Most of the common plant hormones ie auxin, giberellic acid, and cytokinin used alone can produce a variety of undesirable and desirable effects. The thing to remember about these "hormones" is that are all used conjunctively naturally by the plants. When you increase only one hormone you placing stress on the others.


Review the tissue culture sample below Cytokinin

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Cytokinin

for the best results you must understand more about the hormones you intend to use and understand that generally for optimal growth you will use these together or individually in steps Cytokinin

I'm personally more interested in the non-synthetic cytokinin Zeatin. Has anybody any pertinent information regarding its usage?

I've worked with various cytokinins and concentrations while working tissue culture. Most lately, I've applied cytokinins to a home experiment in delaying leaf senescence. Ten miligrams per liter of deionized water preserves much of chlorophyll. I hope to apply this to an accumulating 'leaf collection' of landrace varieties... Cytokinin

leaf senescence.... what a noble cause. I wonder if anyone has tried using cytokinin for clones as compared to auxin (IAA)? From the data that I've observed Kanza the effects from Zeatin and Cytokinin available in like Tomato Bloom II have the same desired effects. Getting your hands on Zeatin may be a little more trickier as it is not readily available commercially to the public. You could try remanufacturing it your self from unripened corn kernels(the source of zeatin) if it so be your thing. I'm sure that just like they applied direct coconut milk as a plant hormone the same could be done with zeatin. It would be much more organic which is most usually a good thing. Hey I say give it a shot and let us know. Cytokinin

Cytokinins do not exhibit the same effects on root growth that commercially available auxins do. I remember seeing a study on tissue culture where when exhibited to excessive amounts of auxins root growth far out performed any other growth and when excessive amounts of cytokinins were applied then shoot growth out performed all other growth. This being the case clones using cytokinins will root slower than those using auxins.
I have some personal experience to support this as when I first found the wonders of cytokinins I used them excessively for everything including pre-soaking cubes used for cloning. I found out very early that in high concentrations (>2ml nitrozyme/lt water) that rooting took longer than previously. I also experienced reduced rooting rates. I saw benfits however when I changed these levels to approx a 1/4 of that (<.5 ml nitrozyme/lt water) with a general decrease in the time taken for clones to establish roots.
As said before, hormones are quite dependent on their interaction between each other and not domination by one hormone or another. Cytokinin

Of course just as I mentioned previously, however, even if it did take longer to sprout roots your cutting should still flourish well. This is what I'm curious about. The roots sole purpose then would to be take up H2O right? Just think, with proper support you could use the tiniest of pots to grow in and still have wonderful top growth. You might still have to apply auxin to the shoots though. But most of your nutes would become obsolete right?
I know that one, (auxin or cytokinin) promotes cell division and the other supports cell elongation. I believe it is cytokinin that promotes division.
I also posted the tissue culture example above. Cytokinin

Wrong, most of the nutes will not become obsolete. Hormones are regulators of mechanisms occurring within a plants cells. They can live without hormones being added however the same can not be said if they are lacking any essential nutrients.
On top of this there is only so efficiently that you can get the roots to function so a certain amount/volume of root mass is needed to support a certain volume of vegetative canopy supplying it with nutrients whilst providing an area for gas exchange.
Making the root mass smaller is a technique used for creating bonsia's which albeit are healthy but not particularly big. Cytokinin

ok but why apply nutes if your regulating the growth with some as organic as coconut milk or unripened corn juice(Zeatin). Ok ok I take that back you would need nutes but not for "growth". Somehow I must have become entranced.. What about giant bonsai's though? Does cytokinin continually affect growth regardless of some limitations? Would it be possible to bonsai a plant and then apply cyto for some good effects? As an example cyto causes apical dominance correct? Could you bonsai a plant, apply cyto, and get a really fat cola? If it were true the wow for sog correct? I dunno just a thought, I guess I am really just adamant about plant manipulation through hormone therapy. Have you any ideas vegemite? I'm running some experiments now myself but the more the merry in my book. Cytokinin

Well this is a blast from the past... veggie, as always a pleasure to see you around. :loompa:

One thing to keep in mind is that hormones are messenger chemicals produced naturally by the plant. In the case of cytokinins, they are produced naturally by the growing root tips and are moved up the plant. Their concentration basically tells the above-ground portion of the plant how healthy the roots are. If there is lots of cytokinin in the leaves, the shoots and branches assume that the root system is doing well and the shoots will branch out. Auxin (aka IBA, NAA, etc.) works in almost exactly the opposite manner. It is produced by the growing tips and moves down the plant to the roots. If the roots see high levels of auxin, they assume that the above-ground portion of the plant is doing well, and that they (the roots) can count on a constant supply of sugars from the leaves, and so will grow more profusely. Auxin also suppresses the growth of lateral branches, it's sort of like the top bud (or apical meristem) is saying "you lower buds just hang out for now, I'm on top of things..." When you top a plant you remove the source of the auxin, so the cytokinin influence takes over and you get more growth from the lateral branches.

The interplay between the two hormones is most easily seen in the classic Christmas-tree shape of wild-type Cannabis. The branches just below the top cola are seeing the highest levels of auxin, suppressing their growth, and are also seeing the lowest levels of the cytokinins that might induce their growth. As you go down the main stem, at each node the ratio of cytokinin:auxin rises and you see progressively more lateral growth. The bottom branches are seeing the highest levels of cytokinin (they are closest to the roots), and the lowest levels of auxin (they are furthest from the top cola), so they grow the longest. Cytokinin

I would be interested in trying cytokinin as an experiment but need advice on how to apply it and at what rate. I have used it on tomatoes for awhile but just use it on the blooms. Reading this thread it seems as if people apply it at differenct times so any discussion on how to use it would be appreciated. Thanks. Cytokinin

[BlueBear]

KP, what happened to your thread, it was taken over by some botanist, LOL.
Good read, will need to read about 5 more times and do some cross references to really manufacture the eatable honey of the matter.
Adieu and KP I am around. I am like your guardian bear, when you think I'm not there, I am sitting on the tree stump in your thread sticking a fatty in a bowl of honey.

[stinkyattic]

Just found this thread... I'm currently experimenting with that stuff myself!
Have to read up some more.
Thanks for starting a thread about it though. It's got some potential I think.

[ridethefire]

Where is this stuff sold? Would home depot do or is a trip to Hydroponics my best bet?:confused:
It might be interesting to try it on half of my plants and see how they do!

[stinkyattic]

I think I got it at either Agway or Home Depot. Durrrr bad memory, sorry....
We should get ugu in here to do one of his side-by-side experiments.

[CaliJay]

No Princess,
I didn't notice the 13 on the counter but I am always willing to take the 13 spot when nobody else wants it. Without #13 I would have never been born.
I was born on Friday the 13th...in October! and my parents named me Jason! WTF?
Some sick people those parents of mine :0)

[CaliJay]

Good info... I like smoking herb and reading techy info. I don't put much reading time in on fiction...I let my DVD player entertain me for that.

-Jay

[kindprincess]

the product i have can be found in one form or another in almost any feed and seed.

i've noticed a slight leaf change, darker, denser, buds appear to be growing at a normal rate of speed, but this is day two.

lol, bear, but as i like to read, botany lessons are MOST welcome here;)

hope you come by often, stinky; i've been wanting to delve into the encyclopedia that is your mind for months! micropropagation facinates me, though i've done no experimentation in that field.

~hypothetically~ i just started the inside jungle. i've always been a nature girl, but nature cannot produce fast enough for me to stay in check, my only desire is not to have to buy my medicine...

~new hypotheticle experiment~
from what i've gathered, and from that you guys have gathered for me, topping a week b4 flower and treating with cytokinin would cause lateral branches to become apical (which happens naturally anyway). blueberry is a strain that will not yeild full potential unless topped.

so by treating with cytokinin, these branches should form more single plant looking branches. hmmm.

well, i gotta go for now, be back in a little while.

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

does anyone know where i can get 2 400w hps ignitors for less that 50$ each? this electrical supply here is just too high...

i don't buy online, but i have an aquaintance who does, so links would be cool too:)

cj, my hush is not working. i'll make a new account tonite....

love to all,

kp:p

[kindprincess]

oops, sorry for changing the subject...

experimenting with cytokinin on clone mother bonzais. the mutant is now thriving. fim'd all eight tops (for those of you who don't know, the mutant clone's head died, and she came back to life a hydra; eight heads from first root:))

seeing as we are on the topic of hormones, i've been toying with the idea of composting rootballs for organic soil...

any suggestions?

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

happy thanksgiving:)

[kindprincess]

cytokinin is working wonders on my moms. took cuttings, sprayed the day after.
been 4 days now, laterals are shooting out all over the place, like they're fighting for dominance...

[kindprincess]

ok, here's the sitch on my hosed down bb:

apical growth is AMAZING side branches that had not been growing are like new cola branches! i've got at least 8 inches of verticle growth from one lateral branch in particular. node spacing is thight, hps is working wonders:thumbsup:

going to try it on another tonite, and leave the rest.

love, kp:p

[CaliJay]

You know what would be dope? If there were just some way you could let us see what is happening. I don't know how it could be done but it seems like there should be a way for you to capture a visual image of your plants and put it up on the board. Hmmmm I am thinking sort of like just one frame of those newfangled motion pictures. Sorry KP I am just thinking out loud. Maybe we just don't have that kind of technology yet. *snickers to himself* :-p

For real though I am thinking I am going to get some of this stuff.

On another note Tranoble wrote that a flux of more than 10 degrees day/night will produce internodal stretching. I think I am getting this on my girls. It is not the main stalk but the side branches are stretching to get to the canopy. This seems pretty logical to me but I am wondering if I should be trying to prevent this? Read anything on this? Any info for me?

Love - Jay

[kindprincess]

hi cj, upload capabilities would deff help my cause, a sweetheart said one would be on it's way...;)

i'll be checking on the temp variation; however, it's not realy a stretch that i've got going on. after treating with cytokinin (kinetin) these laterals that have been pretty much dormant, decided to start growing, almost like it just went in flower!

it is obvious that this product does cause regrowth, not a bad thing, as there are many more buds now; i just wonder what the new branches will make in these last three weeks b4 harvest...

one of my bb's is stunted, this is one that i lst'd and nothing else; it appears to be about 4 weeks behind the others. will spray that on tonite, see if it'll catch up, or show signs of growth like #5 did.

clone moms seem to benefit from cytokinin as well; i took cuttings a few days back, treated with bloom srpay, and my moms are vegging like crazy; from the bottom up!

this is some cool stuff. i'd like to learn more about auxins, to supplement, and create a full rounded hormone treatment.

well, that's that in a nutshell.
hope to get some new feed back; stinky, how are yours?

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

don't use cytokinin on vegging clones... burned the hell out of em:(

love, kp:p

[BlueBear]

Hey you twos, KP and CJ. CJ the temp change can cause streching, but if you have the room it is not too bigg of a deal IMO, but with the temp changes it can throw some other stress facters in the mix so that may be a bigger reason to kind of try to keep the room stable, but I have had 15 and 20 degree changes at times that didn't make or break me, it can also be strain dependent on how the plants will be affected. One thing about a stretch in late flower is that the plant is putting in energy into the stretch that it could be putting into bud development.
Adieu

[kindprincess]

verticle stretch seems to have stopped, buds are getting bigger by the day:) i think this one was just a late bloomer.

sent you a whisper bear;)

you too, cj

love, kp:p

[CaliJay]

Got it babe, I will expect some BEAUTIFUL pics of your gals soon.:)

[Weedhound]

Sounds alot like the VHO from Advance Nutrients that I use. I checked the label but no ingredients listed....figures....