Netanyahu cries: "Hitler! Hitler! Hitler!"

[Great Spirit]

Zionism = Death/Murder

Looks like the final steps to war with Iran is shaping up. Of course, more people will believe your bullshit if you equate Nazi Germany with Iran. Truth is...we should be equating the US and UK with Nazi Germany.
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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/44439/

Israel's former (and possibly future) right wing Prime Minister, Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is not the kind of person you want to make decisions about what to eat for dinner or which shirt to wear, let alone foreign policy.

This week, according to Ha'aretz (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/787766.html), Netanyahu said [VIDEO] (http://www.jerusalemonline.com/ujc.asp):

"It's 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs," Netanyahu told delegates to the annual United Jewish Communities General Assembly, repeating the line several times, like a chorus, during his address. "Believe him and stop him," the opposition leader said of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "This is what we must do. Everything else pales before this."

While the Iranian president "denies the Holocaust," Netanyahu said, "he is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state."

Wow, that IS scary. Except for a few problems. Like Netanyahu's predilection for...

Hitler/Nazi comparisons with respect to nations that don't have anything to do with Nazis or Hitler or prewar Europe or National Socialism... Let's start there.

In a 2002 Wall St. Journal Iraq War promotional extravaganza, the former Prime Minister wrote:

This is a dictator... who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons.

Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do. For Saddam's nuclear program has changed. He no longer needs one large reactor to produce the deadly material necessary for atomic bombs. He can produce it in centrifuges the size of washing machines that can be hidden throughout the country -- and Iraq is a very big country. Even free and unfettered inspections will not uncover these portable manufacturing sites of mass death.

We now know that had the democracies taken pre-emptive action to bring down Hitler's regime in the 1930s, the worst horrors in history could have been avoided. And we now know, from defectors and other intelligence, that had Israel not launched its pre-emptive strike on Saddam's atomic-bomb factory recent history would have taken a far more dangerous course.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Netanyahu was wrong then and there's no reason to listen to him now. Your integrity and credibility are blown, sir.

As for the second part of his most recent statements about the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state."

That's more interesting, actually, as it betrays one of the great myths peddled by conservative Jews and their allies who seek war with Iran: that Ahmadinejad has anything approaching the power to do harm to Israel or the U.S. First off, and I apologize in advance for the caps, but this is a mistake echoed by everyone from Fox News to the NY Times: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "the highest state authority after the Supreme Leader," who "is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war."

Here's the Times, letting Olmert have his way with pro-war talking points:

"The fact that the leader of a nation such as Iran can threaten the very existence of another nation, as he does towards Israel," Mr. Olmert said of the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "is not something that we can tolerate or would ever tolerate."

Iranian media on Monday quoted Mr. Ahmadinejad saying of Israel, "We will soon witness its disappearance and destruction."

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, no friend to Western freedom to be sure, isn't a bombastic bonehead like Ahmadinejad. He doesn't have to cater to the lowest common denominator to maintain popularity (such as it is...). Khamenei speaks little of Israel and has even issued a fatwa: "forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that the Islamic Republic of Iran shall never acquire these weapons."

In fact, not only doesn't Iran have a nuclear weapon but, according to Israeli experts, it's many years away from the ability to acquire one...

[jamstigator]

So that plutonium they detected in Iran, they were just making that up? I guess it could be that the international atomic energy community DID just make that up, but I doubt it. And plutonium isn't used for fuel; it's used for fission bombs (or as part of the fission reaction required for fusion bombs). But perhaps with all their technological prowess, the Iranians have discovered a peaceful use for plutonium that has evaded the rest of the world. Would I bet on that? Not with my money.

[andruejaysin]

I suppose detering attack from nucleur armed enemies could be considered a peaceful use

[Bong30]

I suppose detering attack from nucleur armed enemies could be considered a peaceful use

He has said that he wants to wipe Isreal Off the face of the earth.....


He will use the wepon.....It will not be M.A.D.


when he says he will use it....you dont believe him?

look up 12th Imam, and get back to me.

[Bong30]

Zionism = Death/Murder

Looks like the final steps to war with Iran is shaping up. Of course, more people will believe your bullshit if you equate Nazi Germany with Iran. Truth is...we should be equating the US and UK with Nazi Germany.
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/44439/

Israel's former (and possibly future) right wing Prime Minister, Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is not the kind of person you want to make decisions about what to eat for dinner or which shirt to wear, let alone foreign policy.

This week, according to Ha'aretz (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/787766.html), Netanyahu said [VIDEO] (http://www.jerusalemonline.com/ujc.asp):

"It's 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs," Netanyahu told delegates to the annual United Jewish Communities General Assembly, repeating the line several times, like a chorus, during his address. "Believe him and stop him," the opposition leader said of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. "This is what we must do. Everything else pales before this."

While the Iranian president "denies the Holocaust," Netanyahu said, "he is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state."

Wow, that IS scary. Except for a few problems. Like Netanyahu's predilection for...

Hitler/Nazi comparisons with respect to nations that don't have anything to do with Nazis or Hitler or prewar Europe or National Socialism... Let's start there.

In a 2002 Wall St. Journal Iraq War promotional extravaganza, the former Prime Minister wrote:

This is a dictator... who is feverishly trying to acquire nuclear weapons.

Today nothing less than dismantling his regime will do. For Saddam's nuclear program has changed. He no longer needs one large reactor to produce the deadly material necessary for atomic bombs. He can produce it in centrifuges the size of washing machines that can be hidden throughout the country -- and Iraq is a very big country. Even free and unfettered inspections will not uncover these portable manufacturing sites of mass death.

We now know that had the democracies taken pre-emptive action to bring down Hitler's regime in the 1930s, the worst horrors in history could have been avoided. And we now know, from defectors and other intelligence, that had Israel not launched its pre-emptive strike on Saddam's atomic-bomb factory recent history would have taken a far more dangerous course.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Netanyahu was wrong then and there's no reason to listen to him now. Your integrity and credibility are blown, sir.

As for the second part of his most recent statements about the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state."

That's more interesting, actually, as it betrays one of the great myths peddled by conservative Jews and their allies who seek war with Iran: that Ahmadinejad has anything approaching the power to do harm to Israel or the U.S. First off, and I apologize in advance for the caps, but this is a mistake echoed by everyone from Fox News to the NY Times: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "the highest state authority after the Supreme Leader," who "is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war."

Here's the Times, letting Olmert have his way with pro-war talking points:

"The fact that the leader of a nation such as Iran can threaten the very existence of another nation, as he does towards Israel," Mr. Olmert said of the Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, "is not something that we can tolerate or would ever tolerate."

Iranian media on Monday quoted Mr. Ahmadinejad saying of Israel, "We will soon witness its disappearance and destruction."

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, no friend to Western freedom to be sure, isn't a bombastic bonehead like Ahmadinejad. He doesn't have to cater to the lowest common denominator to maintain popularity (such as it is...). Khamenei speaks little of Israel and has even issued a fatwa: "forbidding the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that the Islamic Republic of Iran shall never acquire these weapons."

In fact, not only doesn't Iran have a nuclear weapon but, according to Israeli experts, it's many years away from the ability to acquire one...



GS you are so dumb..... He is a twelver



Learn People.......

Twelvers
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Twelvers (اثنا عشرية Ithnāˤashariyya) are those Shiˤa Muslims who believe there were twelve Imāms.
80 percent of Shi'a are Twelvers and they are the largest Shi'a school of thought, predominant in Azerbaijan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon and Bahrain. [1] [2]





[edit] Alternate names
The Twelvers are also known by other names, each connoting some aspect of the faith.

Shīˤa is normally used to refer to the Twelvers since they are the "orthodox" variant of Shiˤa. In extended usage, "Shiˤa" can refer to other groups as well.
Jaˤfarī is always taken to refer to Twelvers to the exclusion of the Ismā'īlī and Zaydī ("Fivers"). The term Ja'farī is used for the Ja'farī Madhhab and Fiqh ("Jurisprudence"). It is attributed to Jaˤfar as-Sādiq, who the Shīˤa consider to be their Sixth Imām. The founders of the Sunni Hanafi and Maliki schools of thought narrated Hadith from Jaˤfar as-Sādiq.
Imāmī is a reference to the Twelver belief in holy and infallible Imāms after the time of Muħammad. Though the Ismā'īliyya (including the Seveners) also accept the concept of Imāms, this term is also used for the Twelvers.

[edit] Theology

[edit] Religious law, the Sharia
The Jaˤfarī derive their Sharia, or religious law, from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The difference between Sunnī and Shīˤa Sharia results from a Shīˤa belief that Muhammad assigned ˤAlī to be the first ruler and the leader after him (the Khalifa). Moreover, according to Shīˤa, God dictated this designation. This difference resulted in the Shīˤa:

Following hadith from Muħammad and the 12 Imāms.
Not accepting the "examples", verdicts, and ahādīth of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman (who are considered by Sunnīs to be the first three Caliphs).
Attributing the concept of the masūm "infallibility" to the Twelve Imāms or Fourteen Infallibles (including Muhammad and his daughter Fatima Zahra) and accepting the examples and verdicts of this special group.

[edit] The concept of Imāms and the Mahdi
The Shi'a Imams, the first of which is ˤAlī ibn Abī Tālib, are viewed to be infallible. It is an important aspect of Shīˤa theology that they are, however, not prophets (nabī) nor messengers (rasūl) but instead carry out Muhammad's message. They are considered as superior as all prophets and messengers except the last one. Shīˤa Muslims view all religions and groups that accept prophets or messengers after Muħammad to be heathen or heretical. They believe the last (who also is the twelfth and current) Imām, the Mahdī, is in hiding by the order of God and will reappear by God's command.
[edit] Hussayn's martyrdom
Hussayn ibn ˤAlī's martyrdom on the Tenth of Muharram - known as Āshūrā - plays a significant role in Twelver theology. This day is annually commemorated with grief and sorrow; some participate in ritual beating of their chests, as some believe this is a form of expressing the helplessness that comes from a practical inability to have helped Hussayn and his small troop of 72 revolutionaries. Some even strike their bodies with sharp objects until it bleeds. Though there have been Shī'a leaders (such as Ayatollah Khomeini)
^^^^^ ayatolla OUTLAWED twelvers to radical...HUmmmm^^^^^^^

who have prohibited this ritual, many still practice the ages-old custom. In most nations with significant Shī'a populations, one can observe large crowds in processions grieving over Hussayn's martyrdom.


[edit] Some examples of Jaˤfarī jurisprudence differing from Sunni
(This list is not exhaustive nor representative of the Sunni/Shīˤa dispute on religious jurisprudence)


[edit] Declaration of faith
Both Shīˤa and Sunni believe that anyone who declares in public; "There is no god but God and Muħammad is his messenger" and believes in it is to be considered a Muslim. Though some Shīˤa add, "and ˤAlī is the vicegerent of God and the heir of the Messenger (wasī) of God."


[edit] Accepting a scholar's verdict
The Jaˤfarī school of thought accepts and encourages the concept of taqlid (Arabic تقليد) or "imitation", e.g. that unlearned Muslims should choose a jurist of known virtue and knowledge and follow ("imitate") his rulings and verdicts in their daily life. This religious leader can be known as a "source of imitation" (Arabic marji taqlid مرجع تقليد, Persian marja), or less exaltedly as an "imitated one" (Arabic مقلَد muqallad), and is a person who spends years studying the Qur'an, the sunnah, and the sayings of the Imams and their deeds in order to come up with certain opinions based on those sources of knowledge. However, his verdicts are not to be taken as the only source of religious information and he can be always corrected by other muqalladeens (the plural of muqallad) which come after him. This process may take years or decades; as the idea in taqlid is that verdicts are based on the latest research and are implemented according to one's contemporary situation. Sunnis do not practice taqlid in the same sense.


[edit] Prayer
There are minor differences in how the prayer ritual is performed among Sunnis and Shīˤa. During the purification ritual in preparation of prayer (which consists of washing the face, arms, feet, etc. and saying of some prayers), the Shīˤa view wiping the feet with wet hands as sufficient as opposed to some of the Sunnis, who consider complete washing of the feet necessary. Also, Shīˤa do not use their fingers to clean inside the ears during the ablution ritual.

^^^^they need to wash there heads out^^^^^^^^^

During prayer, it is the Jaˤfarī view that it is preferable to prostrate on earth, leaves that are not edible, and/or wood, as these three things are considered purest by the Prophet in Hadith specifically mentioning Tayammum. Hence many Shīˤa use a small tablet of soil (a mixture of earth and water, and often taken from the ground of a holy site) or wood during their daily prayers upon which they prostrate.

In Jaˤfarī view, the hands are to be left hanging straight down the side during the standing position of the prayer, while the Sunni schools of thought (except for the majority of Malikis) hold that they should be folded. Similar to the Sunni view, the Jaˤfarī consider the five daily prayers to be compulsory, though the Jaˤfarī consider it acceptable to pray the second and third prayer, and the fourth and fifth prayer, one after the other during the parts of the day where they believe the timings for these prayers to overlap. The other three Sunni schools allow this consolidation of daily prayers only while travelling or under some other constraint.


[edit] One-fifth tax
(Khums) There are differences in this regard between Shīˤa fiqh and the Sunni interpretation.


[edit] Marriage
The concept of mut'a or "temporary marriage" is endorsed by the Jafari school of thought. The Sunni and Jafari have similar rulings regarding the different aspects of marriage.

It has many conditions that can be considered as pre-requisite, similar to that of permanent marriage.


[edit] Schools of thought within the Twelvers
There are three main schools of thought among the Shi'a Twelvers:

Usūlī
Akhbarī
Shaykhī
Today, the Usūlī school is overwhemingly the most predominant school among the Twelvers. See also the Akhbari and Usuli Controversy.


[edit] See also
Ja'fari Fiqh
Shi'a Islam
World Federation of KSI Muslim Communities
The Shia Islamic Guide / Imam Stories (shiacode.com)
Akhbari.ORG
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelvers"




The president Of Iran Is a risk Of Couping the Clerics in Iran. He wants to Bring the twelth Imam out of the well.......with Armagedon....with.....drum roll please......


NUKE ISREAL....... that is what will happen if they get the BOMB. If you think any differant you are and Idiot.

[Great Spirit]

I know about the 12th Imam. It is similar to the Christian/Jewish Messiah.

Remember the Zealots of Roman occupied Palestine who wanted to bring in the Messianic age?

I think that the leader of Iran is part of the New World Order...using religion for personal gain. Sure he's an asshole...but he'll never be as big of an asshole or tyrant as George W. Bush.

And unlike Bush..I can pronounce his name.

[Bong30]

Gdub is gone in 2 years what about blah blah jab?


GS.... i think pres blah, might try to over run the clerics...... he wants the Imam out.

GS the differance between christians messiah and the twelvers are that they want to SPEED IT UP. bring armagedeon by nuking Isreal.


GS...Gdub will be gone.... this guy is the real Hitler. way worse than hitler.


Hitler Killed 6 million jews.....

there are 6 million jews in Isreal Now......

GS he will nuke them, he said he would.......

why does he neen nuke power..... he has more oil than he could ever use? must be for different reason...HUH?

i herd a quote from a holocaust survivor....when someone tells you, "they are going to exterminate you, believe them"

read that.....

Islam teaches... Jews and christians are Apes and Pigs.....

who also said that jews were animals? hitler ww2 propaganda.

Pres Blah blah jab.....has 2 faces..... the one at the UN and the one at friday prayer in therran.....

DONT SAY SHIT ABOUT GDUB, HE IS GONE, and get back to me