Here's some inspiring pics...

[Torog]

Howdy y'all,

Here's some pics to inspire your support of those brave men and women..

Who choose to protect OUR Freedom ..God Bless them !

[ermitonto]

Yes, that does rather inspire my support of the brave anarchist men and women who are fighting the militaristic megamachine for freedom. Thank you.

[sawleaf]

Badass Torog! How can they be anarchist when they are fighting for the government? Aren't anarchists anti-government?

[Bro DZ]

yeah, anarchists are anti-law/government dudes.

hey Torog, find a pic of a soldier manning a .50 cal! .50 cal sniper rifle or machinegun, they both look awesome!

Peace (LoL)

[toejam]

I believe ermitonto means the pictures represent the militaristic megamachine for freedom.

[Kid Dynamite]

Hey Torog, you sure know how to kill a buzz

Why dont you post some pictures of all the civilain casualties in iraq, post up some burning bodies, or maybe that little kid who god both her arms blown off.

God bless fucking America you absolute wanker

[sawleaf]

yeah, anarchists are anti-law/government dudes.

hey Torog, find a pic of a soldier manning a .50 cal! .50 cal sniper rifle or machinegun, they both look awesome!

Peace (LoL)

Damn too bad I don't have a scanner. I have a ton of "Ma Deuce" and "Mark" pics from the range! :)

[Kid Dynamite]

Hey Torog, you sure know how to kill a buzz

Why dont you post some pictures of all the civilain casualties in iraq, post up some burning bodies, or maybe that little kid who had both her arms blown off when she got hit by a "smart" bomb.

if u want some "inspiring" pictures search for "Iraq civilains" on google images.

God bless fucking America you absolute wanker

[Bro DZ]

yeah! post some one find some pics of mutilated bodies to post too! those pics are sweet

[Kid Dynamite]

i found a load of pics of that shit...but i think i would get thrown off the forum for even linking to them!

[Bro DZ]

no way. If they allow porn links here they would definetly allow pics of corpses. think realistically LoL

[sawleaf]

Hey Torog, you sure know how to kill a buzz

Why dont you post some pictures of all the civilain casualties in iraq, post up some burning bodies, or maybe that little kid who had both her arms blown off when she got hit by a "smart" bomb.

if u want some "inspiring" pictures search for "Iraq civilains" on google images.

God bless fucking America you absolute wanker

I'm sure UK troops killed civilians also. Long live the queen!

[bob banana]

y dont u put the pic of all those ppl who died for pil which the goverment was tryin to hide (i wonder why)
or of the masasacred cities and schools.........
jah bless freedom!
die america evil babylon empire!
(btw ppl im not insultin all americans, just 51% of the voters and the government)

[ermitonto]

Let me clarify what I meant. Those pictures inspire my support for the people who are fighting for freedom and against the militaristic megamachine.

And did you know Torog that in the past few years, far more civilians have died as a result of U.S. military "anti-terrorism" measures than in anti-U.S. terrorism? How can you sleep at night supporting such terroristic anti-terrorists?

[Torog]

Here's some more inspirational pics...

[Torog]

Let me clarify what I meant. Those pictures inspire my support for the people who are fighting for freedom and against the militaristic megamachine.

And did you know Torog that in the past few years, far more civilians have died as a result of U.S. military "anti-terrorism" measures than in anti-U.S. terrorism? How can you sleep at night supporting such terroristic anti-terrorists?

" How can you sleep at night supporting such terroristic anti-terrorists? "

Because our soldiers are fighting for Freedom,because I am a soldier,because we are not only trained to terrorize those who desire to take our Freedom away,we are trained to squash em like the cockroaches that they are,because they do not retreat from the enemy-like you and others who think like you.

The enemy,uses civilians as human shields and they hide amongst the civilians,like the cockroaches that they are,just like the anarchists do ,when liberals gather like lemmings,at protests...threatening to leap over the cliff-if they don't git their way..how do y'all liberals sleep at night ?

[ermitonto]

Yes, the US has the best murdering technology in the world. Woohoo.

[bob banana]

how can ppl be so happy holding an object whos only purpose is to shoot ppl!!!!!!
damn...
are all americans, even liberal pot heads, for the all the liek u can have any gun laws in the US as in how free thay rae with the guns?
i would only allow hunting guns, coz guess what ur gona do with a gun made to shoot ppl?!?
when i was a kid i couldnt understand how ppl invented guns whose only purpose is to shoot ppl... some bastards arte makin profits out of ppl bein killed(unless u use gun for target practice, but u gota practice for smthn!!!)
so yeah, if a robber goes in ur house and u boith have guns some one is gona end shot up, but if only the rober has a gun he got illegale hell just rob a tv and a hifi or not even and no one ends up hurt.............



hey torog, u ever been at a battlefield?
how does it feel killin soem one whos deffendin his village? ppl who have 3 dollar gun whilst i fdont know how much ur costs..........
killin ppl........how can u sleep at night, well u must enjoy it, ur getin paid for it.....
i dont know but i dont think all soldiers wanted to be soldiers so i dont wana do a general soldier diss, just the government that makes u think that way torog, that ur protecting a "free" nation in which many races are still bein spat on and walked upon................

[ermitonto]

" How can you sleep at night supporting such terroristic anti-terrorists? "

Because our soldiers are fighting for Freedom,because I am a soldier,because we are not only trained to terrorize those who desire to take our Freedom away,we are trained to squash em like the cockroaches that they are,because they do not retreat from the enemy-like you and others who think like you.

Sorry to break it to you, but they're not the "enemy" just because they happen to be brown and believe in Islam and don't like Americans coming in and shooting and bombing the place up and because they don't necessarily believe that our government is the best possible form. They are not cockroaches. They are human beings with feelings and emotions. It's sad that people like you objectify them and treat them as people who simply don't deserve to live because they have been brainwashed by a different form of government and a different religion.


The enemy,uses civilians as human shields and they hide amongst the civilians,like the cockroaches that they are,just like the anarchists do ,when liberals gather like lemmings,at protests...threatening to leap over the cliff-if they don't git their way..how do y'all liberals sleep at night ?

Not all anarchists support the use of civilians as human shields. I certainly don't, and I couldn't support anyone who does. And who acts like lemmings more, those who stand up to question the acts of the government or sheep like you who unquestioningly back its invasion into whatever place has the oil it wants?

[hempilation311]

If you don't like America... Move the hell out. simple as that.

[Josh David]

More pics , more PICS!@! sorry I am a democratic patriot of sorts. Any chance I get to learn about terrorists I try to. Or at least the muslim extremists(and not the IRA) There has been a plan to over throw Sadam for a long time, why it didn't happen during the gulf war (when Sadam invaded Quat) I don't know yet . But the combination of everything is involved here, especially in valouja, the guy who keeps choppin peoples heads off is a top terriorist and he's also involved in the Jihad. And let me say this, ever since 9-11 up to 4000 americans have died since 9-11 3000 people in the towers, and another 1000 int uniform. I think it's funny, that when it all comes down to it without America, the world would probably collapse economically.

[bob banana]

If you don't like America... Move the hell out. simple as that.
dont live there, and it aint that simple. dessicion the american government makes affects the whole world....
lot of ppl that live there are so poor they cant afford to move out, dont have medical either..... coz their too poor to go to the hospital and get proper treatment

(i apologize to all americans that believe in the real freedom and teh fact that we are all born equal, not to those that say we are all born equal yet in PSATs i was doin i had to tic what race i was)

[Torog]

If you don't like America... Move the hell out. simple as that.
Yeeehhhaaawww !! That's a BIG 10-4 !!

That daggum Robert Redford and Rosanne,among other snobby,contemptous,elitist liberal,hollywierdos, promised to move if Bush got re-elected..seems they reckon that America ain't so bad yet..cuz they danged sure ain't moved !

Have a good one...Torog

Here's a pic of how Johnny Cash feels about those who hate America...

[bob banana]

More pics , more PICS!@! sorry I am a democratic patriot of sorts. Any chance I get to learn about terrorists I try to. Or at least the muslim extremists(and not the IRA) There has been a plan to over throw Sadam for a long time, why it didn't happen during the gulf war (when Sadam invaded Quat) I don't know yet . But the combination of everything is involved here, especially in valouja, the guy who keeps choppin peoples heads off is a top terriorist and he's also involved in the Jihad. And let me say this, ever since 9-11 up to 4000 americans have died since 9-11 3000 people in the towers, and another 1000 int uniform. I think it's funny, that when it all comes down to it without America, the world would probably collapse economically.
sorry in a couple o years china (the evil commies OH nO! run away!!!) will be the most power full.
bush got voted twice, isnt it obvious liek all empires the american one will just collapse, its startin now

[Josh David]

I like this thread anyway. It's important for everyone has an opinion. It's kinda like a jury at a court case.12 people are liable t disagree.

[sawleaf]

Yeah it is good to see both opinions on the war. I am in the middle really. I don't think we planned enough for this war. I don't think that this war was justified at the current time or necessary in the war on terror. I don't believe Bush should've lied to people about his intentions in Iraq. But we did go to war and the election is over so I am going to stop bitching about what is past and focus on what needs to be done. Our troops are commited and they need to complete this mission and get the hell out of Iraq. War sucks but it comes down to us or them. People are going to die and I'd rather my fellow Marines smoke every fucker overthere rather than die themselves. War is shit. :mad:

[bob banana]

well thers the third option of the troops pullin bak but that wont happen,
and u do gotza learn from the past so u dont repeat old mistakes (like uhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know

VOTIN FO' BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Torog]

Howdy sawleaf,

I agree with ya,it's time to focus on what needs to be done-and I want our soldiers back as soon as possible..it's time for the Iraqi's to put their tails on the line and take their country back from the terrorists,thugs and despots.

Have a good one...Torog

[sawleaf]

well thers the third option of the troops pullin bak but that wont happen

Yeah we can't pull out with Iraq in the current state it is. It is just a big mess, but once our troops are in, I support them. If you are in combat you need to have the support of your people. The troops have a tough job, but it is a job that demands a lot of respect and they get a lot of shit for it. I may be against the war, but I salute anyone who chooses to serve and put up with all the BS. :)

[GHoSToKeR]

fuck

i dont know what to say

fair enough, u want freedom, and u can say "well, people have to die if we want freedom all over the world.. its worth it in the end" but actually being happy about people dying is sick, whether theyre american or iraqi

[bob banana]

fuck

i dont know what to say

fair enough, u want freedom, and u can say "well, people have to die if we want freedom all over the world.. its worth it in the end" but actually being happy about people dying is sick, whether theyre american or iraqi
werd
thats very true

learn smthn for godsake torog

ur freedom is based on other ppls slavary

[Lulu]

"whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to Me."

Torog you argued for the right to life of the unborn but seem to feel no compassion for the Iraqi people who are losing their's at the hands of your voted Despot :confused:

Despot ~ A person who wields power oppressively; a tyrant

You're kind of an "a la carte Christian", wouldn't you say :rolleyes:

[GHoSToKeR]

"a la carte Christian"
right

[hempilation311]

dont live there, and it aint that simple. dessicion the american government makes affects the whole world....
lot of ppl that live there are so poor they cant afford to move out, dont have medical either..... coz their too poor to go to the hospital and get proper treatment

(i apologize to all americans that believe in the real freedom and teh fact that we are all born equal, not to those that say we are all born equal yet in PSATs i was doin i had to tic what race i was)

My apologies. I should have paid more attention to your profile. However, I have one question for you. DO you think all Americans are elitists and over-nationalists? We aren't just to let you know.

Yes the decisions the american govt. makes affect the whole world but what if we decided to say screw it. What if we stopped providing aid to the third world? Hmmm... that would be a whole lot better. Better yet, lets take our money and use it all for ourselves to better our country since all you people across the pond think we should stop making these decisions.

Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.

[hempilation311]

if we pull out of iraq now it would be like folding a deck of cards that we went "all in" on.

[bob banana]

My apologies. I should have paid more attention to your profile. However, I have one question for you. DO you think all Americans are elitists and over-nationalists? We aren't just to let you know.

Yes the decisions the american govt. makes affect the whole world but what if we decided to say screw it. What if we stopped providing aid to the third world? Hmmm... that would be a whole lot better. Better yet, lets take our money and use it all for ourselves to better our country since all you people across the pond think we should stop making these decisions.

Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.
of course ii knoew that not all americans are liek that, thats y in a n earlier post i say that im against the government and that 51% of voters (not of the population)
oh and ur SHOULD spend more money on urselfs
on the damn educational/medical/social systems not on guns/defence
and if u sign up for smthn called teh UN and say that ur gona do what it says then DO IT.
u were part of a treaty u cant just takes its advantages and whenever u want to rape it!!!!!!!!!

[hempilation311]

are you talking about the geneva convention? Iraq violated this long before we did. The thing is, Iraq violated it by not letting us search peacably for weapons. Not for 8 months sooo, of course they are gone. We went into Iraq for many reasons. One of them being the leader and his torture of his people so you have your opinion and I have mine. There isn't anything that will change that and it's simply my statement next to yours.

[bob banana]

ok that cool, u have ur opinion
but then y isnt the usa gone to north korea?
and just becouse iraq violates it doesnt mean u have to...
if jimmy tells u to jump out the wiondow, would u?

[ermitonto]

If you don't like America... Move the hell out. simple as that.

I'm going to, but at the moment I have no choice but to stay here. When I get the resources and the ability I plan on moving to somewhere less oppressive.

[Drink the Bong Water]

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D

[Mrs PotatoHead]

I think it's funny, that when it all comes down to it without America, the world would probably collapse economically.

How can the world collapse economically? It's not like we could trade with alien life forms (oh that's right you speak alien don't you). I think it would be better to say the world powers would not be as powerfull as they currently are.

Without America heaps of countries would be economically better off. Many third world countries have been economically sanctioned and cannot support themselves because of America. And I am sure there are many Americans who do not like being associated with power hungry so called freedom fighting that is purely a way of gaining more global economic control.

I hate being associated with my government and it's fucked up choices. I didn't fucking vote for the government in this country.

Any how, if your government was really concerned for it's people then they would spend money on the fucked social welfare system and not on war. Nobody gives a shit about the poor people, just the ones who can afford to work in large towers in the middle of New York. What about people who can only afford to live in ghetto's, trailers and on the street. Thousands more of these people make up the list of casualties .They could join the military and at least put their poor ass to some use and still end up as a casualty of the governments agenda. Sound like a conspiracy? :(

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.


You sound like a dumb fuck. If you take enough away from people and society stops giving a shit about them as if they are going to be capable of making decisions that benefit them in the long run. All they will want is to satisfy immediate needs cause they don't want to think about the bleak future. People with mental disorders and disabilities and cannot work need support not to be called lazy. Many street bums that once had good lives and a reason to live are their not because they want to but because they got lost in a society that thinks they are not worth the effort.

I'm sure this is all lost on you any how, so maybe your idea of people who don't wanna be there should just leave is best. That way you and people like josh david and all you other dumb fuck friends can pat each other on the back and saying yeah man America rulz! while fucking each other up the arse. You all suck and have no right to comment on people that are from third world countries until you have lived in one or know some one that has.

[Lulu]

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D
Just because I don't support the war doesn't mean I support terrorism!!!!!
That war has nothing to do with terrorism :rolleyes:
"sand niggers" :confused: :( :mad:

[hunny]

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D
if i see any more of this racism on this i will have no choice to ban u from here..ur just instigatin trouble with ur views ,,i dont agree with wat ur sayin..,an most people dont eaither accordin to the posts..

pls stop or u will not be bak under that name..an i WILL find out if u do decide to change it ,,,,be warned,,this aint funny

[apsinthion]

sand niggers

What's that Shiz? :rolleyes:

[bob banana]

anyone who supports terroisim on these boards, can lick my sack
and i would also like to say, that..thank gosh were killing all those damn sand niggers over there

just my opinion though! :D
sand niggers????
wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and what the usa isnt terrorism? bombin a country liek that? bombin schools and hospitals? xcept usa do it with the clik of a button. but hell i dont wana atak the usa coz it does terrorize ppl by bombin countries the president doesnt even know were to place in a map!
hell man b4 calling other ppl sand niggars fkn think what teh y they have to go thru man!

[thcbongman]

My apologies. I should have paid more attention to your profile. However, I have one question for you. DO you think all Americans are elitists and over-nationalists? We aren't just to let you know.

Yes the decisions the american govt. makes affect the whole world but what if we decided to say screw it. What if we stopped providing aid to the third world? Hmmm... that would be a whole lot better. Better yet, lets take our money and use it all for ourselves to better our country since all you people across the pond think we should stop making these decisions.

Oh and if someone wants to leave america it is not that hard. Sell an ounce of bud take the hundred you make to buy bus fair and roll up to Canada. It's just that most of the time, people are poor for a reason. They either are born into a life of poverty and know of nothing else or they are too fuckin lazy to do anything about their conditions. It's a cycle of sloths.

You think America gives Aid unconditionally? What a laugh. Aid is another name for a loan. If America stopped giving Aid, they would lose more than they would gain.

Edit - You are pretty nationalist. Just because you don't scream it doesn't mean you feel it. Read your post again and you'll see why.

[dog420]

not the best thread on the block

war = love or hate

peace

[sugarmagnolia]

wow I didn't know their were so many people with conservative ::coughs:: murderous views here. As a response to "THe US pulling out of Iraq would be like going all-in and folding" (paraphrase): No. Cards equal situation. Money= how much u put in. U obviously didn't think about this analogy. Staying there would be STAYING in the game. And to do so u need to put MORE money in. So if u STAY u pay MORE money. U understand?

[sugarmagnolia]

wow I didn't know their were so many people with conservative ::coughs:: murderous views here. As a response to "THe US pulling out of Iraq would be like going all-in and folding" (paraphrase): No. Cards equal situation. Money= how much u put in. U obviously didn't think about this analogy. Staying there would be STAYING in the game. And to do so u need to put MORE money in. So if u STAY u pay MORE money and u make the consequences of a loss even greater. So u agree with the minority that would go all in on a war that will never end. The war I speak about is not the Iraq war only, it is the war between the Americans and the non-Americans. This war will never end, so why put in money and lose when u could just pack up ur chips and cash in. Why? There really is no reason if u stick to the damn analogy. But I expect an analogy change. U understand? (No aggression intended. but I couldn't argue nicely. peace)

[Mrs PotatoHead]

This war will never end, so why put in money and lose when u could just pack up ur chips and cash in. Why? There really is no reason if u stick to the damn analogy. But I expect an analogy change. U understand? (No aggression intended. but I couldn't argue nicely. peace)

Maybe the forces that be are winning from this gamble and it will end when they stop benefittng from it?

[hempilation311]

I'm saying that we've already put many soldiers into this "war on terror" and to withdraw right now would be like folding our deck after we have put in a substantial portion of our pot or "go all in". Whichever way you look at it, my analogy stands. If you don't like it then I'm gonna e-mail you to let you know that my tears are streaming down my cheeks.

[JonnyEagle]

Dude the only one taking our freedom is the cunt ou voted for his regime to use yoru words. No iraqis gonna come over here and tell me that I cant smoke or tell me that I cant protest or tell me hes gonna tap my hphione lens. But your good old inspirational george w bush will happily do so.

[Josh David]

Well, Mrs. Potatohead it seems I offend the, I apologize. I did vote so I do believe in change for hte better. And no I didn't vote for Bush, which may give you an indication that I don't support the presidents first military campaign in Iraq. But, like other americans I would like to see an end to the insurgency in Iraq. You'll notice that most americans wether they support Bush or not don't really respond to negativity about their country due to 9-11. As far as my boastfull economic statement that may have been rash, Oh well . ALL APOLOGIES>>>>>>>

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Well, Mrs. Potatohead it seems I offend the, I apologize. I did vote so I do believe in change for hte better. And no I didn't vote for Bush, which may give you an indication that I don't support the presidents first military campaign in Iraq. But, like other americans I would like to see an end to the insurgency in Iraq. You'll notice that most americans wether they support Bush or not don't really respond to negativity about their country due to 9-11. As far as my boastfull economic statement that may have been rash, Oh well . ALL APOLOGIES>>>>>>>

I'm sorry for my rant and any insult I may have caused you too. I just get so over the whole, America is great because of economic power and military might, thing. Why be inspired by the guns,war and the destruction of another country (like the pictures suggest) why not be inspired something else like (I would make a suggestion here but I am sure you could fill this gap better than I).

Patriotism sometimes baffles me because it makes people do such crazy shit and some people are so patriotic that they stick by all the decisions and things their governments do no matter how dumb. I just don't think that governments always have the interest of the people at heart but their own agenda.

Sorry another rant I will stop now.

[Josh David]

You Rock Mrs. Potatohead!!!

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Oh hello there ....yep I am still rockin....you are in so many places at once I'm not sure whether to love or hate you :confused: ... just kiddin... your growing on me (maybe I should get something for that) :D

[Imotep]

im going to put my figers in my ears
a hand over my eyes
and a hand over my mouth.

imotep destroyer of worlds is disgusted by your pride in your puny popguns mortal dogs.

[Torog]

"whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, you do to Me."

Torog you argued for the right to life of the unborn but seem to feel no compassion for the Iraqi people who are losing their's at the hands of your voted Despot :confused:

Despot ~ A person who wields power oppressively; a tyrant

You're kind of an "a la carte Christian", wouldn't you say :rolleyes:
Howdy LuLu,

I realize that I do come off as being somewhat compassionless,and I apologize for that. However,the Iraqi people aren't losing their lives to President Bush,they are losing lives because of the old regime elements,terrorists and foreign fighters-American soldiers aren't the ones exploding car-bombs..the terrorists are.

Thank ya kindly,for the definition of a 'despot',but I didn't really need it..Saddam and his sons,fitted that description..President Bush and our troops,liberated over 50 million folks in Iraq and Afghanistan..they do not fit that description.

As for being an" a la carte Christian"..I really don't want to be fitted with a French moniker..lol. I grew up,going to a Christian church so conservative,that we didn't even believe in having musical instruments in the Church. I believe that God and His Son,Jesus Christ,are within me..I don't need no daggum fancy church.."Split a rock..hew a log..and I'll be there.." ..for me..I could no more stop breathing-than I could set aside my Faith..I wake each day,thanking God for my many blessings and I thank God when I go to sleep..so you see-I'm not just a Christian when it suits me.

I wish that no innocents would have to die-in this struggle of Good vs Evil.

Have a good one...Torog

[RESiNATE]

Wow, Torog, you certainly stirred up a whole hornet's nest of opinion here, didn't ya! :D

The problem with this whole situation, is that the average Joe (and Josephine lol) are blinded to the machinations of the media propoganda that is fuelled by the respective government.
In Iraq, the 'insergence' are pumped full of 'anti-American' bullshit, the US (and the UK) are pumped full of 'anti-Iraqi' bullshit, then ya got each side of the religious fraternity slagging each other off and inciting racial (religious) confrontation.

When are people going to step back, and look at the bigger picture? :confused:

Before I start ranting (lol), I would like to commend ~Hunny~ for speaking out against the use of certain words :) debate is healthy, but racially derogatory terms only get the message lost in base abuse.
And, Lulu..lol@'A la carte'...but isn't that what all religious folk do?; pick and choose parts of their book to satisy their own goals?

Anyway, here is my view:

Firstly, I was as shocked as everyone else, at the events that transpired on Sept 11; it is an image that will stay with me, until the day I die. Even now, I look back on it with almost a sense of disbelief - did it really happen?
By the end of that day, however, I began to smell a rat.
Certain 'facial reactions' from GWB when he was told about the event whilst he was at that school, just made me think a little deeper about what was actually going on.
Then, by the end of that day, I heard that the government had not only found out who 'the culprits' were, but indeed that found that plans for such a thing, in an abandoned car! I mean, come on, people...would YOU leave such documentation in an abandoned car?!?!

Straight away, I began to realise that there was more to this than met the eye.
I started thinking that this attack was rather convenient, for a great many people.

If we look at the root basis for this 'war on terror', we will see that it is religion vs religion. Islam vs Christianity.
And the oil issue, too, is as much a smoke screen as everything else...another convenient issue that takes us away from the real issue.

If we are to believe those poeple who spend their time picking and choosing so-called 'Bible Prophecies', then we can start thinking about what this whole deal is about.

The Christians will harp on about the shift of power going to the East (Arab nations), because it is so written in the Bible.
The Islamist will harp on about their Jihad.

Is this whole thing, not just about fulfilling/preventing a 'prophecy'?

Then, there are those who will question the intentions of the Chinese.
There is also a 'prophecy', that describes the Chinese as being the next power...that they will cross a sandbar (when the oceans shrink) into America, and seize power.
Let's not forget the 'Illuminarti', and the 'Freemasons', whom also have a prophecy and 'mission' to forfill.

(The Chinese, btw, are the single biggest importer of metals, right now - are we to believe that they are building a war machine?)

The people that you see on your TV screens, are NOT the ones in command. GWB, Blair, and even those fanatic religious figureheads, are just the ones following the whim of those who are really in power. Many different factions, I don't know, but rest assured thay are there..pulling the strings toward their own goals.

Unfortunately, innocent people die on all sides.
Soldiers on the field, are just following the orders of those who bark them from within their comfy leather office chairs - sending numbers (not human beings in their eyes...just numbers) to thier deaths every single day, and then go home to their comfortable homes, and eat nice hot dinners, then go to bed thinking that they are doing good.
The insergencies, are just following the dictates of religious clerics, who pick and choose, and paraphrase a 'holy book', and continue to brainwash their troops into a blind religious rage, that has gone beyond any sensiblilty.

And inbetween, innocent people, who just want to make the best of their lives and do their bit for the whole, are being caught in the cross-fire.

Needless deaths, all round.

Torog, you served in Vietnam - can you not see that Iraq is just another example of government lying to those brave soldiers?
You asked me if watching 'Apocolypse Now', made me see Americans as a bunch of redneck roosters. I told you then, as I am now, that I only saw the abhorrent disregard for life, exhibited by your government. I'm not attacking the soldiers, they too are just a means to an end of something that we don't (nor ever will) understand fully.

I remember watching the so-called "Shock and Awe" tactic on TV, just like millions of others...until I realised that I was viewing it like I would some kind of firework display!
I realsied that it was designed to brainwash me into some kind of childish glee at the sight of big flashes and loud bangs.

When in fact, I began to think of all those people that were alot closer to the 'action', who saw it as something completely different. :(

This war, as with all the wars that have gone before, is not about freedom, is not about regime change...it's about the greed and power dreams of a very few individuals, of which we 'small people' have to bear the cost.
Not only in monetary terms, but more importantly, in terms of a loss of humanity.

I'm not religious.
I never will be.
I view religion as another brain-wash tactic to control the masses by fear of the unknown...the unproven.

I believe that there is a higher power that we mere mortals cannot yet decipher, and if things carry on the way they are - I doubt that most of us will ever get that opportunity to see the real truth.

My heart breaks whenever I switch on the news, all I hear is glee at the death of another bunch of humans. Images show death and desperation on such a scale, that even I am becoming 'immune' to them.

Who wins?

No one.

Just my thoughts :) :( :confused:

RESiNATE...

[bob banana]

thats the problem with tv.
hey if uwana read somtrhn interesting read Amusin Oursleves to Death by Neil Postman
u know what resinate said about becomin immune to the deaths.
its fuked up coz we are evolvin in to a "tv" culture, hard to tell the diference between reality and fiction, even i u think u can.

in wars no one wins, but i have to disagree wit u when u say its religion vs. religion
now days decisions made are mostly (if not all) for economical gain. no more. its that easy. all the usa want to have is ciontroll.
y the hell do u think to threat the usa what the ppl did was BURN their OWN oil reserves? hit the usa were it hurts the most....
btw, sinse that video of the capture...any one know what hapened to saddam? smthn bout a court....they seemed so proud puting that picture of a saddam that looks like real shit. didnt see him since, hardly heard bout him or his fate.

don know, i recomend teh book ,its a critizism on todays media, it's really hard to read but its real interestin

[RESiNATE]

but i have to disagree wit u when u say its religion vs. religion


Err..Bob Banana....

actually, there is no point...
:mad:

Believe whatever you want to believe, it is your right.









Unfortunately.

[bob banana]

actually, there is no point...

what do u mean there is no point?
that bush lieks to waste the coutries money coz he disagrees or even hates other ppl belief? as much as he doesnt care about the ppls money he just doesnt fund a war becouse his daddy couldnt do it right and hes tryin...

obviously in the long and short run, in reality there is no point, its funding the act of killin ppl, no more

but in the ppl that controlls' mind there is a point

(does any one really think that bush rules the USA? are u jokin? he is the bigest joke! the fact that such a dum man is in charge of the most powerfull nation is scary, but who think he really does anything EXCEPT giv an image?

[Kombucha]

This war is just about psychos on both sides that just want to fight so they can kill someone. I'm sure some good has come of this war but so has a lot of bad things.

If US soldiers are so brave why do they have to blow the fuck out of everything and kill civilians (and friendly troops) instead of using guns so they can maybe be a bit more discriminating about who they kill.

[sawleaf]

If US soldiers are so brave why do they have to blow the fuck out of everything and kill civilians (and friendly troops) instead of using guns so they can maybe be a bit more discriminating about who they kill.

Because they are trying to stay alive and the enemy look just like civilians. They call in mortar attacks from cell phones, they shoot at our troops from crowded market places and playgrounds, they even store their weapons in schools and hospitals. We do use many discriminating ways target the enemy and cut down on civilian casualties, but the media will not show you that. They will just report the air and artillery strikes that are off target. The thing is there is no way to fight a war without civilian casualties.

[Kombucha]

If anything the media is only showing the things the government wants us to see. Unless the media happen to have cameras when fighting breaks out, the only footage available is what is filmed by the military, and edited by them too.

If you need to tell the difference between civilians and enemies, look for the ones with AK-47s shooting at you.

[sawleaf]

If anything the media is only showing the things the government wants us to see. Unless the media happen to have cameras when fighting breaks out, the only footage available is what is filmed by the military, and edited by them too.

If you need to tell the difference between civilians and enemies, look for the ones with AK-47s shooting at you.

It's easy for you to be a critic of their actions when you have not experienced combat. A majority of the time the enemy is not seen. Most of the time it is a guy with binoculars or a cell phone that is the enemy. Anyone who happens to be on a cell phone is SOL. People standing around a mortar team are SOL. Our troops are not intentionally targeting civilians, the enemy is using civilians as cover to make us look bad when casualties result. War is shitty buisness.

[Kombucha]

Maybe so, but phones are not formidable weapons

[Miserylue]

It almost makes me sad to be American when I see how dumb people can be. I know we have it made compared to alot of other countries but thats because we are so damn greedy. Then we get upset when another country stands up for itself, tries to protect themselves, and we bomb them and innocent people and say it was an accident. OMG.. I dont even want to get started on this subject. Im not trying to put down those of you that love America, but your all brainwashed! We are evil people. We must have it all.

[sawleaf]

Maybe so, but phones are not formidable weapons

A phone is a very formidable weapon when the person on it is directing mortar and artillery strikes. They are just as much a combatant as someone shooting a machinegun.

[Kombucha]

Firstly, guerilla warfare will rarely allow for the use of any kind of artillery or mortars. Secondly, how is someone on a phone supposed to direct mortars? Thirdly, the phone might look suspicious, but a fuck off cannon in the middle of the street will.

[sawleaf]

Firstly, guerilla warfare will rarely allow for the use of any kind of artillery or mortars. Secondly, how is someone on a phone supposed to direct mortars? Thirdly, the phone might look suspicious, but a fuck off cannon in the middle of the street will.

I respect your opinion Kombucha, but it is very clear that you don't know much about warfare or what is really going down in Iraq. The insurgents use mortars daily to attack our troops, because they can shoot from concealed positions. The person on the cellphone is talking to someone on the mortar team. He gives them target updates and corrects their fire to get it on target. It is really quite simple. For example, if rounds are landing to the right of your target tell the guys to shoot a little left and you correct their fire until they get on target. Mortars can be setup and shooting in minutes and you will not see them when they are shooting at you. Therefore you kill the guy with the phone(forward observer) as he is the eyes of the mortar team and they are shooting blind without an observer. Understand????

[Mrs PotatoHead]

I would use my cell phone to help get rid of an army that I did't want in my country as well.

I'd like to pose a scenario. The leader of a country got it in their mind that the USA had weapons of mass destruction that they will use against other countries to take innocent lives. The country says USA let us into your country, into the white house and all military bases to look for these Nuclear weapons because as history has shown us (Japan and Vietnam) you have blown up and poisoned innocent civilians that had nothing to do with the war before. No says the President this is our country and we have the right to protect our freedom. The other country says fuck you we are going to invade and we will find these weapons and over throw this evil government for the sake of the people and in the process of doing this we will use our businesses to rebuild your cities. We are doing this for the good of your people they must be freed from this lying cheating government.

In such a case would the government of the USA use what ever they had to get this invading force out of the country? I think they would and they would still believe they were good and the other country was evil.

[RESiNATE]

Whilst you're arguement is valid in one sense, Mrs Potatohead, there is one fundamental issue that you haven't provided for in your thesis.

President Bush (like him or not), is not mass murdering his own countrymen, just because they don't agree with his 'regime'.

Other than that, your theory holds water :D

[Mrs PotatoHead]

President Bush (like him or not), is not mass murdering his own countrymen, just because they don't agree with his 'regime'.



Yeah I know, but is that the real reason he invaded or was it just a good excuse to invade a country that the USA has been wanting to invade for a long time? If they really where interested in the fate of humans under a dictatorship, then why don't they help people in Burma and many other people suffering under the plight of a murderous dictatorships. Look at what they did in Afgahnistan all they wanted Osama they didn't really care about the people because they didn't stick around to help rebuild the country or get rid of the masses of landmines that are stopping people from supporting themselve. They haven't left Iraq yet, not because they want to help but because they haven't got what they wanted, which is more economic control of the middle east and the oil lines.

[Torog]

Howdy Mrs. PotatoeHead,

Your 'theory',is entirely flawed,because America is the lone superpower of the world,and not a third-world country, we will use our wmd's responsibly-like we did in Japan.

President Bush is correct in wanting to develope and field,Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrators,as America may soon have to use either RNEP's or other strategic and tactical nuclear weapons against Iran or North Korea.

Iran,desires to nuke Israel, and North Korea desires to nuke South Korea,Japan and the United States-if need be-we will use any weapon in our arsenal,to prevent or stop,attacks against democratic countries and allies -especially,if those attacks..are nuclear,chemical or biological.

Have a good one...Torog

PS: I apologize in advance-for any horror I may cause...

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Howdy Mrs. PotatoeHead,

Your 'theory',is entirely flawed,because America is the lone superpower of the world,and not a third-world country, we will use our wmd's responsibly-like we did in Japan



What no comments on vietnam? Japan was not responsible. They blew up hospitals and schools and generations of japanese people have suffered from different this attack. As for Isreal they are a terrosist country themselves built on war mongering with the help of the US.

[sawleaf]

What no comments on vietnam? Japan was not responsible. They blew up hospitals and schools and generations of japanese people have suffered from different this attack. As for Isreal they are a terrosist country themselves built on war mongering with the help of the US.
I agree with you about Israel, but with Japan it is a different story. I bet you didn't know that the Purple Hearts that our troops are recieving to this very day in Iraq, are surplus Purple Hearts made back in WW2 in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. We were estimating 1 million casualties in just the first few days of that invasion. I'd say the 2 atomic bombs were justified.

[Imotep]

yehaw, those puppies were big aye.
imotep destroyer of worlds approves of your methods.

[Torog]

I agree with you about Israel, but with Japan it is a different story. I bet you didn't know that the Purple Hearts that our troops are recieving to this very day in Iraq, are surplus Purple Hearts made back in WW2 in preparation for the invasion of the Japanese mainland. We were estimating 1 million casualties in just the first few days of that invasion. I'd say the 2 atomic bombs were justified.
Howdy sawleaf,

I must say,I'm somewhat dissapointed that you believe that Israel is a terrorist country-that's blatantly un-true and aids the terrorist propaganda machine which is geared towards inciting anti-semetism.

Have you ever heard of a single report of a Jew going into Gaza or the West Bank,and blowing themselves up ? Have you heard of any Jews that stopped a car with a pregnant mother and her four daughters-and brutally slaughtered them all ?

Israel,is not the terrorist,for defending themselves against the terrorists.

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?

[GHoSToKeR]

Howdy sawleaf,

I must say,I'm somewhat dissapointed that you believe that Israel is a terrorist country-that's blatantly un-true and aids the terrorist propaganda machine which is geared towards inciting anti-semetism.

Have you ever heard of a single report of a Jew going into Gaza or the West Bank,and blowing themselves up ? Have you heard of any Jews that stopped a car with a pregnant mother and her four daughters-and brutally slaughtered them all ?

Israel,is not the terrorist,for defending themselves against the terrorists.

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?
My friend is a muslim.. is he a terrorist in your eyes?

[Torog]

My friend is a muslim.. is he a terrorist in your eyes?
Howdy Ghost,

I tell ya what,why don't you ask him if he is for the jihadists or against them ?

All muslims are suspect-until proven otherwise..most likely tho,from my experience of living in Saudi,if he's here-he doesn't believe in slaying all infidels-such as you and I.

[GHoSToKeR]

Howdy Ghost,

I tell ya what,why don't you ask him if he is for the jihadists or against them ?

All muslims are suspect-until proven otherwise..most likely tho,from my experience of living in Saudi,if he's here-he doesn't believe in slaying all infidels-such as you and I.
Well, he's not 'here', because youre in the USA, but hes here, in the UK lol

Anyway; he, like most muslims, believes in Peace. Because some dont, you cant call Islam a religion of terrorists. Nor can you call all Muslims terrorists, just because some fanatics are. If a christian was to commit a murder, i wouldnt accuse all christians of being murderers. Unfortunately, Torog, you see this as a religious war - Christianity against Islam. also, I get the feeling that's what your president wants you to think - he uses religious expressions, and the name God, and quotes the bible to reach out to Christians such as yourself who belief this is a religious war. It looks like its working

[Torog]

Well, he's not 'here', because youre in the USA, but hes here, in the UK lol

Anyway; he, like most muslims, believes in Peace. Because some dont, you cant call Islam a religion of terrorists. Nor can you call all Muslims terrorists, just because some fanatics are. If a christian was to commit a murder, i wouldnt accuse all christians of being murderers. Unfortunately, Torog, you see this as a religious war - Christianity against Islam. also, I get the feeling that's what your president wants you to think - he uses religious expressions, and the name God, and quotes the bible to reach out to Christians such as yourself who belief this is a religious war. It looks like its working
Howdy Ghost,

You do know,that the Koran instructs all muslims to lie to and decieve infidels,until the moment comes to slay them-don't you ? Your muslim friend,could be lying to you, about wanting Peace.

Over 98% of all conflicts in the world at this time,are because of muslim jihadism,and Jews and Christians,are their primary targets..I'd say that qualifies as a religious war. I keep myself informed as to the nature of what's going on in the world,I don't need anyone to make me think anything,I'm perfectly capable of assessing the situation myself,based on 45 years of life experience-and watching history unfold.

I forgot that you're in merry ol England,say,how do ya feel about all the politically-correct protections being passed over there for muslims ?

Has your muslim friend,asked you to consider converting to Islam yet ?

Will you be content to pay the infidel tax ?

[GHoSToKeR]

Howdy Ghost,

You do know,that the Koran instructs all muslims to lie to and decieve infidels,until the moment comes to slay them-don't you ? Your muslim friend,could be lying to you, about wanting Peace.

Over 98% of all conflicts in the world at this time,are because of muslim jihadism,and Jews and Christians,are their primary targets..I'd say that qualifies as a religious war. I keep myself informed as to the nature of what's going on in the world,I don't need anyone to make me think anything,I'm perfectly capable of assessing the situation myself,based on 45 years of life experience-and watching history unfold.

I forgot that you're in merry ol England,say,how do ya feel about all the politically-correct protections being passed over there for muslims ?

Has your muslim friend,asked you to consider converting to Islam yet ?

Will you be content to pay the infidel tax ?
Torog, to answer your questions..

No, i didnt know the koran said that. But i havent read it. I also note that the bible has parts where god instructs people to murder women, children, and babies.. forget about that, did ya?

Maybe christians wouldnt be their primary targets if christians hadnt fucked with them in the first place?

i think that everyone should be given protection - that includes muslims.

no my friend has never asked me to convert to Islam - he knows im atheist, and strongly disagree with organized religion

whats the infidel tax? lol

[Torog]

Howdy Ghost,

You're wrong about God commanding Christians to kill anyone..God commanded that we shall NOT kill.

Christianity,started long before the terrorist pedophile mohammed came along,it was because of the brutal nature of Islam,that Christians had to rise up and defeat them,because they threatened to brutally murder all infidels or enslave them,as well as destroy all European civilization.

Ask your friend about the infidel tax-he'll probably be ashamed to admit that it's true-that even though you're an atheist,you are still considered an infidel,all non-muslims,are considered to be infidels..that you don't even believe in God,makes you one of the worst kinds of infidels,in the eyes of Islam.

I wish you'd invite your muslim friend to come here and debate me,I've been trying to git other liberals,who claim to know or have muslim friends,to git them to debate me,over at the MariHemp boards,for some time now-none have come forward.

[GHoSToKeR]

Liberal -
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded
Whats wrong with being a Liberal!? lol Sounds good to me

Anyway, if hes ever at my house, i'll get him to come on and have a chat with you, okay? lol

[Torog]

Whats wrong with being a Liberal!? lol Sounds good to me

Anyway, if hes ever at my house, i'll get him to come on and have a chat with you, okay? lol
Howdy Ghost,

Sounds like a plan-just be sure to tell him what he's in for,a debate with a conservative Christian Texan,that voted for Bush-twice.

The so-called 'tolerance' of liberals,does not extend to those who differ from their views,such as conservative Christians-I find,that many liberal's 'hearts'..bleed only for themselves-and their causes.

[sawleaf]

Howdy sawleaf,

I must say,I'm somewhat dissapointed that you believe that Israel is a terrorist country-that's blatantly un-true and aids the terrorist propaganda machine which is geared towards inciting anti-semetism.

Have you ever heard of a single report of a Jew going into Gaza or the West Bank,and blowing themselves up ? Have you heard of any Jews that stopped a car with a pregnant mother and her four daughters-and brutally slaughtered them all ?

Israel,is not the terrorist,for defending themselves against the terrorists.

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?

When did I say all Jews were terrorists? I said Isreal. Israel brings terrorism onto itself just like we bring it on our country. I don't agree with terrorism, but it is a way for oppressed people to fight back against larger more powerful countries. It is our countries foregin policy and Israel's aggression against the palestinians that bring on more terrorism. I don't see palestinians driving tanks, gunships, and fighter jets. The Israelis don't need to use suicide bombers, they have a massive military we provided them. Hell, palestinians rarely can pick up a rifle without getting killed, so I see why they resort to using dirty methods and bombing people. I don't agree that is right, but what would you do if you were oppressed like they are? We need to stop supporting Israel and it's treatment of palestinians and change our fucked up foreign policy. All our problems come from us. We are like the worlds bully, and we get upset when people fight back.

[thcbongman]

Your a conservative, yet you voted for Bush. That's says a lot, considering Bush is donkey disguised as an elephant.

[Torog]

When did I say all Jews were terrorists? I said Isreal. Israel brings terrorism onto itself just like we bring it on our country. I don't agree with terrorism, but it is a way for oppressed people to fight back against larger more powerful countries. It is our countries foregin policy and Israel's aggression against the palestinians that bring on more terrorism. I don't see palestinians driving tanks, gunships, and fighter jets. The Israelis don't need to use suicide bombers, they have a massive military we provided them. Hell, palestinians rarely can pick up a rifle without getting killed, so I see why they resort to using dirty methods and bombing people. I don't agree that is right, but what would you do if you were oppressed like they are? We need to stop supporting Israel and it's treatment of palestinians and change our fucked up foreign policy. All our problems come from us. We are like the worlds bully, and we get upset when people fight back.
Howdy sawleaf,

Are you implying,that Israel does not have the right to exist ?

Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews.

At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do.

Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?

I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness...

[thcbongman]

Oh that makes sense your a neo-conservative. Whoopie fucking do.

"Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews."

One, they live there longer than the zionists. They are only there because of the British Mantra. Both have their claim to that land. Are you saying Palestine doesn't have the right to exist even tho their people lived there for thousands and thousands of years? Didn't think of that one did ya.

"At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do."

Explain how a country should be held for sponsering terrorism. Should we hold the US liable for a bunch of drug lords who sell drugs? That's idiotic.

"Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?"

You don't understand why a terrorist is willing to blow themselves up. It's because they're fighting to free their people. For a cause, it's the wrong way too, but neither you or I would understand because we have no idea what it means to be occupied.

"I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness..."

Some BS rhetoric to throw in that has nothing to do with the issue? It's not even in the same parallel.

[JohnnyBravo]

For fuck sake, there's a politcal forum for all this bollox, take your opinions there.

[sawleaf]

Howdy sawleaf,

Are you implying,that Israel does not have the right to exist ?

Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews.

At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do.

Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?

I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness...

Torog, I am not implying or saying any of that. I am just saying that our country is not the good guy. There is no good guy. Most of these problems come from us. Do you think terrorists are any worst than our government and it's greedy political agenda? Our foriegn policy is very fucked up. Our greedy government has caused so many people suffering in this world. When it comes down to it, I take our countries side, but not blindly. I know the US government is powerful and very corupt. You can't understand the enemy very well if you don't understand why they are fighting us. Look at it from their perspective.

[Encatuse]

Torog's girlfriend is a terrorist.
I must inform the mayor.

[ineedskillz]

Can't we all just get high....

[Kombucha]

Israel does have no right to exist. After WW2 America decided that the Jews needed a country, so they thought they would give them most of Palestine. Which, funnily enough, belonged to the PALESTINIANS. No I am not anit-Semitic, and no I am not pro-terrorist, but Israel should not exist. Sorry if the Jews don't have a country, but there aren't any empty countries hanging around at the moment.

Torog, I cannot say that I have read the Koran, so I don't know much about what it contains, but I doubt you have either. What I can say is that although the Bible says that you should not kill, it also justifies killing many times (in the Old Testament.) Many Egyptians are killed by the plagues brought upon Egypt, almost the entire world is killed in the floods. I can't think of any more examples right now but I expect you've read he Bible and will know of other places.

[Torog]

Torog, I am not implying or saying any of that. I am just saying that our country is not the good guy. There is no good guy. Most of these problems come from us. Do you think terrorists are any worst than our government and it's greedy political agenda? Our foriegn policy is very fucked up. Our greedy government has caused so many people suffering in this world. When it comes down to it, I take our countries side, but not blindly. I know the US government is powerful and very corupt. You can't understand the enemy very well if you don't understand why they are fighting us. Look at it from their perspective.
Howdy sawleaf,

I tell you what,you've been living around too many liberals,if you think America is worse than countries that are brutal dictatorships,as a Marine,you should know,that America,liberated over a billion folks from brutal dictatorships last century,and that we've liberated over 50 million more folks,this century. How you think that is bad,I don't understand . How do you figure,that it's worse to give folks choice ? If our foreign policy is messed up,it due mostly to liberals and the UN-both of whom are weak-willed and believe that appeasement is the answer-to feeding the wolf and making it happy..so that it doesn't devour our children.

I also find,that it is you-who does not understand who the enemy is-which is pretty sad,for a Marine. The enemy,is anyone that does not believe in Liberty,Justice and Freedom for all. IT's JUST THAT SIMPLE-PERIOD.

The only thing that Islam offers,and usually forces,is brutal oppression-at every level. The same is true of Communism..for you to make excuses for either and blame America while you're at it..is reprehensible and is not in the character of a Marine. I would really love to see you express your feelings about America-and see the reaction of your fellow veterans,at your local VFW and American Legion..I suspect-that they will stop serving you drinks at the bar-just for starters.

Have a good one...Torog

[Kombucha]

Torog, how the hell could America have liberated 1 billion people last century. Let's see... wars that America was in last century...

1st World War: America liberated no one. No one got liberated at all.
2nd World War: Germany, Japan and Italy were liberated from dictatorships, none of them directly though. I could have sworn that there were a lot of other countries in that war who put a lot more effort in the America did. Oh well...
Korean War: No one liberated. Many killed.
Vietnam War: America poking it's nose in to stop the nasty commies. No one liberated. Many killed.
Gulf war: No one liberated

Maybe you are counting the Cold War? Firstly, as with the 2nd World War you were not the only country involved by a long shot, secondly the USSR was not liberated, America just kept threatening it (and the entire world) until it collapsed due to a failing economy, brought on by itself, not by any brave Americans.

At the end of the last century there were 6 billion people in the world. Are you saying that America "liberated" 1/6 of the entire world's population? With is own 200-and-something million people?

[Torog]

Howdy Kombucha,

The stats have been compiled and verified,if you choose not believe them,that's your choice.

Let's see,you're the feller that said Israel doesn't have the right to exist,the fact is,is that God gave the Jews Israel-long before any arabs came along and began to ruin and destroy everything that they touch.

Israel,is a democracy and the arabs want to put into place,a brutally oppressive islamic goverment..why would you believe that brutal oppression-is better than democracy ? Israel,was a land of ruin and devastation,under the rule of arabs-when the Jews finally came back to their homeland,given to them by God,thousands of years ago,they transformed the valleys of ruin into green valleys of life.

Why do you despise Liberty,Freedom and Justice for all,so much ?

When you side with the brutal islamofascists-that is what you're doing..why don't you understand that ?

My girlfriend wants to know-why do you instinctively hate Jews so much ?

I have found the Jews to be amongst the most tolerant and charitable folks I've ever met..my girlfriend and her parents-helped me and my daughter,through some of the toughest times in my life-they opened their hearts and home to my daughter and I,even though I'm a conservative Christian..I have learned much,about tolerance and charity for others,because of my Jewish girlfriend and her Jewish family..I'm certain ,that you could learn much as well.

I stand with Israel and the Jews.."Those who would curse Israel..shall be cursed..those who bless Israel..shall be blessed "... God will punish all who rise against His People...Armageddon approaches..Islam will be destroyed..as will those who curse Israel and God's People.

May God have Mercy on your soul..ye of little Faith..:(

[Kombucha]

Let me get some things straight. I don't hate Jews. I don't hate anyone. I don't agree with killing for any reason, although I do see that often it may be necessary.

Therefore I do not agree with any form of terrorism. I do not love Islam and hate Judaism. I don't feel strongly either way or another, they are just religions that exist. As far as I am concerned they are all humans just as much.

I don't like Israel politically. Just because I do not like Israel it does not mean I do not like Jews. I don't like America but I am still Christian.

[Torog]

Howdy Kombucha,

You state:" I don't like America but I am still Christian. "

America,was founded by Christians.

I suggest that you read my latest thread in the Politics forum,since you don't like America, entitled : "Canadian urges disaffected Left to move north"..therein lies your solution for your hatred and disaffection with America.

[Kombucha]

I know America was founded by Christians but so what? If I (or any other Christian) founded a death camp for babies you would still dislike the camp and still be Christian.

[Torog]

I know America was founded by Christians but so what? If I (or any other Christian) founded a death camp for babies you would still dislike the camp and still be Christian.
I'm not sure what you mean by the phrase "a death camp for babies",unless you're talking about the over 40 million unborn children murdered since RoevsWade was passed ?

[Kombucha]

When I say a death camp for babies I mean a place where I take babies that I steal from their famillies and kill them in vast numbers.

By the way Torog do you actually smoke cannabis or are you just here to argue? It's just I've never seen you talking about it before and you don't seem to be the kinda guy who would.

THE SMALL PRINT:
Before anyone gets weird on me this is just an example of a bad thing that could be formed by a Christian yet is still disliked by Christians.
I do not in any way condone the kidnapping and slaughter of people in the name of proving Torog wrong.

[Torog]

When I say a death camp for babies I mean a place where I take babies that I steal from their famillies and kill them in vast numbers.

By the way Torog do you actually smoke cannabis or are you just here to argue? It's just I've never seen you talking about it before and you don't seem to be the kinda guy who would.

THE SMALL PRINT:
Before anyone gets weird on me this is just an example of a bad thing that could be formed by a Christian yet is still disliked by Christians.
I do not in any way condone the kidnapping and slaughter of people in the name of proving Torog wrong.
Howdy Kombucha,

You still haven't explained what you meant by "death camp for babies"-unless you might be talking about the military-in which case,you'd be wrong..because we've had an all volunteer force since the draft was ended in the 70's.

As for toking weed,I've been doing that since '72..just because I love America and what She stands for..Liberty and justice for all,doesn't mean that I don't git high. If it be God's Will,I will have a lush and bountiful harvest of the most incredible wild flower,that God has ever created,by early summer. If God chooses to bless me so,I will have some wonderful medicine that I can share with several seriously ill folks.

[sawleaf]

Howdy sawleaf,

I tell you what,you've been living around too many liberals,if you think America is worse than countries that are brutal dictatorships,as a Marine,you should know,that America,liberated over a billion folks from brutal dictatorships last century,and that we've liberated over 50 million more folks,this century. How you think that is bad,I don't understand . How do you figure,that it's worse to give folks choice ? If our foreign policy is messed up,it due mostly to liberals and the UN-both of whom are weak-willed and believe that appeasement is the answer-to feeding the wolf and making it happy..so that it doesn't devour our children.

I also find,that it is you-who does not understand who the enemy is-which is pretty sad,for a Marine. The enemy,is anyone that does not believe in Liberty,Justice and Freedom for all. IT's JUST THAT SIMPLE-PERIOD.

The only thing that Islam offers,and usually forces,is brutal oppression-at every level. The same is true of Communism..for you to make excuses for either and blame America while you're at it..is reprehensible and is not in the character of a Marine. I would really love to see you express your feelings about America-and see the reaction of your fellow veterans,at your local VFW and American Legion..I suspect-that they will stop serving you drinks at the bar-just for starters.

Have a good one...Torog

Oh I know plenty of veterans who share the same opinions as I do Torog. We are the ones who see through all the bullshit and don't go waving the flag blindly. Our country won't do shit to help another country in this world unless we have something to gain or are attacked directly. We sat on our asses while europe was invaded during WW2 and didn't get involved until we were attacked. Iraq is about our oil interests, not getting Saddam out. We helped Saddam, help Osama, and we even helped put the Vietcong in power. Do we ever do anything in Africa where many people really need us? Nope, they have no oil or anything for us. You cannot blame Islam, do you have any muslim friends, have you read the Koran? It is the radicals that cause problems, but our government gives them all the fuel they need against us. Once again you show your closed-minded ways Torog, stereotyping Marines. We are not all the same brainwashed people that everyone thinks.

[Kombucha]

Torog, yes I did describe what I meant, if you look at the top of my last post before this. I did not mean anything metaphorical I just thought of something that would be pretty bad.

Sawleaf, well said, I agree with you entirely on your last post.

[sawleaf]

Torog, yes I did describe what I meant, if you look at the top of my last post before this. I did not mean anything metaphorical I just thought of something that would be pretty bad.

Sawleaf, well said, I agree with you entirely on your last post.

Thanks, I am not angry or upset with anyone I debate with online. I agree with Torog on a lot of things. Sometimes we just have a clash of views and opinions. :)

[JohnnyBravo]

Religion and politics is a recipe for disaster. Take your opinions to the politics forum or the spirituality forum (religion).

[Torog]

Thanks, I am not angry or upset with anyone I debate with online. I agree with Torog on a lot of things. Sometimes we just have a clash of views and opinions. :)
Howdy sawleaf,

Well..I must say,I do have a tendency towards being close-minded,sterotypification and being stubborn,ornery and cantankerous..lol. I apologize to you and everyone else,like Johnny Bravo has pointed out several times,these arguments and discussions,are best done in the Politics or Spirituality forums.:o

I'm a whole lot more mellow,if I have some weed to toke..lately,I haven't been able to afford any-next month should be a little better. When I'm high,I have a rule-no watching of news or anything political or religious..I want to enjoy every precious moment when I'm stoned !

It dang sure don't help things,when the Cowboys are doing so poorly either...lol.

Have a good one...Torog :D

[Imotep]

meanwhile im seeing footage of marines shooting unarmed 'insurgents" and shouting HOT DANG-GOT THE FUCKER.
inspiring-yes.

[duppy man]

Howdy y'all,

Here's some pics to inspire your support of those brave men and women..

Who choose to protect OUR Freedom ..God Bless them !
they are not brave just brain washed to do someone elses dirty work I know i was with a sabre troop long range recce, war is for the unenlightened or the stupid, or indeed persons with severe personality disorders show if you cant show pictures of civvi casualties then what about some of the oil thats been stolen IT SUCKS, by the way the way where are the W.O.M.D eh let me think????? what other country has huge oil reserves and very few weapons to defend themselves.... :rolleyes:

[F L E S H]

Torog, I've got a bone to pick with you. You seem to enjoy copying/pasting articles about stuff 99.999% of the members of this board don't agree with at all, yet when people reply to them, you come back to debate 'your' points. This leads me to 2 conclusions, and I would like that you tell me which is the more accurate, so I can have some peace of mind. Either:

1-You're simply copying/pasting articles but don't know what they actually mean, so you're not able to debate them with someone who provides a valid and opposing point of view (i.e. you're not too bright)

2-You're just a shit-disturber and enjoy pissing people off, and the Torog we all know is just a front for you to have fun.

Now, by reading some of your non-political posts (few and far between :D) I've decided that you're definitely not stupid, and by the simple fact that you smoke a lot of weed and yet you present yourself as a right-wing ultra-conservative christian is ironic to the point that it just cannot be true.

I enjoy debating the issues you bring up, but I'm not gonna bother anymore unless you show me that you're NOT a fake.

Speak now or forever hold your peace :D

[GHoSToKeR]

wow.. walk about paranoia

[F L E S H]

wow.. walk about paranoia

Nah, I'm not paranoid, and I guess I sound pissed off, even though I'm not. I'm just curious to know whether this is guy joking or if he's serious, that's all.

I thought the :D's would make that apparent, but i guess not lol

[GHoSToKeR]

I thought the :D's would make that apparent, but i guess not lol
lol no worries.. i m just stoned :)

[F L E S H]

lol no worries.. i m just stoned :)

Man, I haven't gotten stoned in almost a week now... maybe that's why I'm in a bad mood :eek:

[sawleaf]

I don't think Torog is a fake. He is just different. I know hardcore republicans who are everyday cannabis smokers. My good friend is a republican senator's secretary and he smokes more bud than me. :)

[F L E S H]

But isn't that the greatest conflict of interest?? :confused:

What about all those TV ads saying that buying weed funds terrorists? What about neo-conservative rhetoric? I can't understand, for the life of me, how a pot smoker could side with people who constantly pass laws according to their interpretation of the bible (re: Ashcroft -- so much for separation of Church and State... Wasn't that done away with in the constitution?) and with people who give longer jail sentences to drug users than to rapists????

[sawleaf]

But isn't that the greatest conflict of interest?? :confused:

What about all those TV ads saying that buying weed funds terrorists? What about neo-conservative rhetoric? I can't understand, for the life of me, how a pot smoker could side with people who constantly pass laws according to their interpretation of the bible (re: Ashcroft -- so much for separation of Church and State... Wasn't that done away with in the constitution?) and with people who give longer jail sentences to drug users than to rapists????

Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.

[F L E S H]

Yeah it is a conflict of interest. But I don't know a lot of people who totally agree with everything a single political party represents.

Point for Sawleaf :D

[The C]

Totrog weither really smart ro really dumb, what does evyerone esle think?

[GooseBear]

yes point for SAW
I consider myself somewhat of a conservatist
and I DO! smoke the reefer
lol

[Imotep]

two party politics still leaves a lot of room for conflicting ideas within those two parties. theres always renegades and mavericks. lol.

[Torog]

Torog, I've got a bone to pick with you. You seem to enjoy copying/pasting articles about stuff 99.999% of the members of this board don't agree with at all, yet when people reply to them, you come back to debate 'your' points. This leads me to 2 conclusions, and I would like that you tell me which is the more accurate, so I can have some peace of mind. Either:

1-You're simply copying/pasting articles but don't know what they actually mean, so you're not able to debate them with someone who provides a valid and opposing point of view (i.e. you're not too bright)

2-You're just a sh*t-disturber and enjoy pissing people off, and the Torog we all know is just a front for you to have fun.

Now, by reading some of your non-political posts (few and far between :D) I've decided that you're definitely not stupid, and by the simple fact that you smoke a lot of weed and yet you present yourself as a right-wing ultra-conservative christian is ironic to the point that it just cannot be true.

I enjoy debating the issues you bring up, but I'm not gonna bother anymore unless you show me that you're NOT a fake.

Speak now or forever hold your peace :D
Howdy FLESH,

Point # 1. I read every article that I copy and paste,and I analyse my thoughts and reactions to them,as well as attempt to extrapolate what I can expect in response to posting each article,and formulate my arguments and counter-points to the opposition ,before-hand. My purpose,is not only to enlighten-but to inform and recieve a definition of opposing views..I am,in effect,prompting you and stimulating you,to define yourself and your personal beliefs,so that I can better understand you and how you percieve the world..my intention is to debate the subject at hand-not to provoke an emotional reaction-for my own pleasure. I try to always remain open to the possibilty-that you may in fact,teach me something about my perceptions that could possibly be wrong..thereby further evolving my wisdom pertaining to the subject being discussed. Is that so wrong ? Is it being malicious,to prompt a response from you-purely for discussional and defining purposes ?

Point #2. I appreciate your kind words,stating that you believe that I'm not stupid.

I assure you,that I am an ultra-conservative Christian,in many ways-but not all..I'm also a traditionalist as well as an unapologitic,shame-less American patriot. That does not mean-that I support the war on drugs,as it pertains to marijuana-but I do detest hard drugs,especially when they are sold to children and minors..what adults do ,in regards to hard drugs-as long as they don't harm others-including their family's,is the business of adults.

I firmly believe,that this here old dog,can learn new tricks..even the youngest and the least amongst y'all..has the possibility of teaching me something new..I try to remain open and humble,to that fact..because I desire to be true to myself..as false-hoods and airs-will git me nowhere..'cept maybe running around in circles.

I hope that my response has been satisfactory and self-explanatory...

Have a good one....Torog

[F L E S H]

All rght Torog, I guess an apology is in order. I just REALLY don't understand your position, although I've tried, especially since the election. Whatever.

We both like weed, so let's be friends :D

[Kombucha]

I reckon most of these soldiers aren't brave at all, they just enjoy killing people and destroying things. A good example of this is the marine that shot an unarmed, injured guy with his eyes closed for no reason, and the guy using a mortar launcher who fired a mortar then went "Woo! Get me some more ammo baby!"

[RESiNATE]

err..anyone got anymore popcorn?:D
I'm out lmfaooo

Kombucha, I don't think that the soldiers are wanton killers (although, as with everything in life, there will be a few 'radicals' within any given group - law of averages, yes?), but you must remember that they are in a 'kill-or-be-killed' situation that folk such as I (a non-soldier who has never faced such adversity) can not hope to understand.
Those images that you saw on the news, are wholly misrepresentative of the precluding situation - ie, who's to say that that particular Marine, had not just witnessed several of his comrades get shot down by these people.

The type of people that we are dealing with here, are not the kind of people who possess rational thought - they DO NOT represent the Iraqis in any way, and I would further suggest that it is THEY who are the wanton killers, rather than the Marines.

Recently, a western woman was brutally murdered and mutilated by these so-called 'freedom fighters', and yet this woman (Margaret Hassan) was someone who had dedicated her life to helping the Iraqi people - surely, no one can justify such a 'political' outcry.

Although most of us have not experienced a 'war-zone' environment, I think we can at least understand the feeling of adrenalin when in a 'combative' situation; How many of us get so wound up about a football match, and find ourselves shouting abuse at the opposition etc? Is it not a similar feeling of emotions running riot?
Try to imagine that same feeling of adrenalin, but with a view to the fact that any mistake will cost you your life, rather than just your pride.

War is nasty, folks, and things happen that we (who have no comprehension of such) find very hard to understand or accept. That is not to lend any justification to any attrocities that occur, but rather to with-hold judgement until we are in possession of ALL of the facts pertaining to such - rather than rely on footage on our screens which can easily be misrepresentative, or indeed, edited to illicit a prescibed response.

Imagine, if you will, that an alien force has stormed your house, and systematically killed your entire family, yet you have survived.
I wonder how discriminate YOU would be, had you the wherewithall to exact your revenge against them?

The true reasons for going into this war will most likely not become apparent for some time, but rest assured that the ramifications will be known sooner than we all would like, probably.

Just my thoughts.
:)

Res...

[sawleaf]

I reckon most of these soldiers aren't brave at all, they just enjoy killing people and destroying things. A good example of this is the marine that shot an unarmed, injured guy with his eyes closed for no reason, and the guy using a mortar launcher who fired a mortar then went "Woo! Get me some more ammo baby!"

To serve in a combat zone takes personal bravery period. The rush and fear troops experience in combat brings on lots of emotion. People deal with it in different ways. Making combat fun is a way for troops to hide the horror and fear they feel. They are in a shitty situation so they make it fun. They are fighting to stay alive more than anything and each person they kill betters their chances of survival. If you have not experienced combat, who are you to criticize troops who are fighting? The Marine who shot the man playing dead assessed the situation and made a call. We are not their experiencing what they are daily. When was the last time someone shot at you?

[GHoSToKeR]

In two weeks the sheeplike masses of any country can be worked up by the newspapers into such a state of excited fury that men are prepared to put on uniforms and kill and be killed, for the sake of the sordid ends of a few interested parties. Compulsory military service seems to me the most disgraceful symptom of that deficiency in personal dignity from which civilized mankind is suffering today. - (Albert Einstein, 1934)

[Kombucha]

The guy was not playing dead he was hurt. The marine calmly raised his gun and shot. He didn't take cover or even act like he was worried, the man on the floor was clearly unarmed.

As for the soldiers being in a shitty situation, maybe they are, but they chose to be soldiers. They were not conscripted, they knew that they could be sent to war. Soldiers should not enjoy war, that indicates some serious problems.

[bob banana]

Howdy sawleaf,

I must say,I'm somewhat dissapointed that you believe that Israel is a terrorist country-that's blatantly un-true and aids the terrorist propaganda machine which is geared towards inciting anti-semetism.

Have you ever heard of a single report of a Jew going into Gaza or the West Bank,and blowing themselves up ? Have you heard of any Jews that stopped a car with a pregnant mother and her four daughters-and brutally slaughtered them all ?

Israel,is not the terrorist,for defending themselves against the terrorists.

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?
no but i did hear of isreal troops bobmin schools! and all this other crap...with american money! and guess what! the othe rcountrie cant defend its self coz it aint got usa "aid" (loan/guns) thus the ppl try to save the country with any means they can!!!
im not sayin either is right!
but belive me, the jewish ppl dont suffer today like they did b4, so dont give me no poor jew crap! respect to ur GF, but the media is giving u all this crap coz its controllin that shit, all the news and shows. i aont no racist , one thing is to have an open mind and another to b blind to the truth

[Torog]

All rght Torog, I guess an apology is in order. I just REALLY don't understand your position, although I've tried, especially since the election. Whatever.

We both like weed, so let's be friends :D
Howdy FLESH,

I appreciate your apology and for you giving me the chance to try and explain my position somewhat,I realize that it was not a thorough explanation I will try and not be so confusing in the future.

As for weed-I not only like it..I love it ! I think it's one of God's greatest blessings to us. I would like to be friends,and when we can't agree about things..we''ll remember that we're friends..and we'll peacefully disagree . :D

Have a good one...Torog :)

[Euphoric]

thats not cool shooting an unarmed person.
but its even worse to shoot what you think might be an unarmed corpse...thats just an act of hatred...my 2 cents!
puff puff pass

[F L E S H]

Howdy FLESH,

I appreciate your apology and for you giving me the chance to try and explain my position somewhat,I realize that it was not a thorough explanation I will try and not be so confusing in the future.

As for weed-I not only like it..I love it ! I think it's one of God's greatest blessings to us. I would like to be friends,and when we can't agree about things..we''ll remember that we're friends..and we'll peacefully disagree . :D

Have a good one...Torog :)

Cool :D

See, if only more politicians were tokers, the world's problems would disappear! lol

[sawleaf]

thats not cool shooting an unarmed person.
but its even worse to shoot what you think might be an unarmed corpse...thats just an act of hatred...my 2 cents!
puff puff pass


War is not cool or about being cool.

[Kombucha]

Lol, Euphoric, would you rather be shot now or in 100 years time when you're dead?

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Torog's girlfriend is a terrorist.
I must inform the mayor.
lmao :eek: :D :D

[Mrs PotatoHead]

My girlfriend is Jewish,does that make her a terrorist in your eye's ?

You know if she was true to her religion she shouldn't even be dating you after all your just a christian and many conservative fundamentalist christians would probably not recommend it either.(you have obviously read the bible and should therefore know what the jews thought of jesus and christians).

My point is that each religion has it's extremists not only muslims but jews and christians too. If you are so into quoting the bible and doing your god given right then what are you doing dating a jew?

[GHoSToKeR]

because, Mrs Potato Head, these days people choose which parts of the bible they want to abide by -

God says dont kill.. but Bush claims to be a Christian, and sends the command for thousands of Iraqis to be killed

God says dont pollute your body.. but millions of Christians get drunk, commit suicide, smoke cigarettes, smoke weed, take crack, speed, herion etc

God says that homosexuality is wrong.. but the Church is now willing to 'work with' the world's homosexual community...

God says don't steal.. but millions of Christians steal, lie, gamble and cheat

God says not to harm people.. but millions of Christians fight, stab people, shoot people, rape people, etc..

I could go on but you get my point

Now, im not saying that all Christians do these things but alot of Christians do

this is why i dont like organised religion.. firstly because it tells you how to live your life, when no one should do that but you.. and secondly, because even though it telsl you how to live your life, people choose which parts theyre going to abide by.. so whats the point?

[The C]

But i think you made a mistake ghost toker, christainity isnt a religion it's a blief in the existance of jesus, Catholicsis, and the prodistant people are religious. God edoesnt say shit, people interpreate shit.

[Mrs PotatoHead]

Now, im not saying that all Christians do these things but alot of Christians do

this is why i dont like organised religion.. firstly because it tells you how to live your life, when no one should do that but you.. and secondly, because even though it telsl you how to live your life, people choose which parts theyre going to abide by.. so whats the point?

I'm on your page ghost and am also against the use of organised religion to cast judgements upon other people (another one god said not to do). I believe spirituality is personal, but find it funny when someone like torog preaches the bible left right and center, backs the jewish people but not the islamic (all the same in my books). Maybe Torog should wake up and see that most of these religions are preaching the same things and that followers just follow, whether they are dogmatic ignorant followers or educated and informed, they are still just followers.

[GHoSToKeR]

I'm on your page ghost and am also against the use of organised religion to cast judgements upon other people (another one god said not to do). I believe spirituality is personal, but find it funny when someone like torog preaches the bible left right and center, backs the jewish people but not the islamic (all the same in my books). Maybe Torog should wake up and see that most of these religions are preaching the same things and that followers just follow, whether they are dogmatic ignorant followers or educated and informed, they are still just followers.
right on!

im sure, if you go back far enough, youll find that alot of religions started in the same places, or for the same reasons (i mean, even Christians fight among themselves, and have start different christian religions).. or at least, if you look close enough, youll see that their fundamental principles are the same.. cant we all just get a bong? :)

I think this joke would be quite appropriate..

I was walking across a bridge one day, and i saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. so i ran over and said "stop! don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well...are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you christian or buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you catholic or protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you episcopalian or baptist?" He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you baptist church of god or baptist church of the lord?" He said, "Baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you original baptist church of god, or are you reformed baptist church of god?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god!" I said, "Me too! Are you reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1879, or reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed baptist church of god, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. (Emo Phillips)

:)

[RESiNATE]

Baaa Baaaa....Sheep-like followers because they need to be told how to live their lives in accordance with someone else's ideals...

...the Lord is my shepard...baaa baaa baaa

lol

[Mrs PotatoHead]

I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off. (Emo Phillips)

:)

:eek: lmao

so true...no I mean "me too".

technology has evolved and we can now travel to the far continents of the world but when we get there our minds are still back in the caves beatin each other up with sticks.

All I can say is I am glad I am a potato and most of those scummy potatoes varieties died out during the famine.lol :p

[Looker]

I WANT THAT FUCKIN MANPACK GATLING GUN... THAT THING IS SWEET...

[Imotep]

gimme a go too.
*turns weopon on its handlers and lets loose*
mwah hahahaha

[Kombucha]

I WANT THAT FUCKIN MANPACK GATLING GUN... THAT THING IS SWEET...

I really, really hope you are joking

[sawleaf]

I really, really hope you are joking

Of course he is joking. Everyone knows that they are too heavy to lug around and are too expensive to fire. 6000rpm x .17 per round(bulk price for NATO 7.62mm)=1,020.00 for a minute of firing. Well could be worst. Could be a Ma Deuce at .75 a round. :)

[Imotep]

bah, and i was trying to get my cost per kill down.
oh well, still runnin at a profit, even after vietnam. :D

[cottonmouthking420]

Cool :D

See, if only more politicians were tokers, the world's problems would disappear! lol

amen brother

[AbbaZabba]

how is this war a fight for freedom? my friends brother was killed in iraq by some random dude that lived there that wasnt even a soldier sounds to me if this was a fight for freedom average joes and janes over there wouldnt be killin us

just my opinion

[psychocat]

" How can you sleep at night supporting such terroristic anti-terrorists? "

Because our soldiers are fighting for Freedom,because I am a soldier,because we are not only trained to terrorize those who desire to take our Freedom away,we are trained to squash em like the cockroaches that they are,because they do not retreat from the enemy-like you and others who think like you.

The enemy,uses civilians as human shields and they hide amongst the civilians,like the cockroaches that they are,just like the anarchists do ,when liberals gather like lemmings,at protests...threatening to leap over the cliff-if they don't git their way..how do y'all liberals sleep at night ?


This is the rant of a jackbooted brainwashed gun happy retard IMHO.
I am so pleased this isn't representative of the average yank , unfortunately it is true of most of your troops.