All stage grow log w/ lots of pics

[harris7]

First things first, I am growing Dutch.Lover

As we near flowering I thought I would start our Grow log :rasta:

The next few posts will give you all the info about my grow


Nowâ?¦

The Room

Area:
It is a closet which is aprox 7ft x 2ft x 8ft
I built a bench in it so that I can put the ventilation through the rooms floor (see pics)
The room is obviously covered in the thick which one side, black the other plastic
It has been split into two areas: Veg 2ft x 3.5 x 7 ft / flower: 4.5ft x 2ft x 7ft
-I will also have a cloning/seeding area which has not been built as we have been using the flowering chamber for that not with the HPS though

Lights:
-For vegging we have a 400W MH (36 000 lumens)
-So thatâ??s 5150 Lumens/sq ft
-For flower a 400W HPS (50 000 Lm) with 4 odor neutralizing CFLâ??s each 1600 Lm
-So thatâ??s 6250 Lumens/sq ft


Ventilation:
The ventilation has a forced intake and exhaust. With one inline duct fan(165 CFM) for exhaust and two smaller unrated fans for intake. (see pics)
Temps are in the range of 77-82 F when lights on.

[harris7]

Plants:

Soil:
-Top soil
-Peat moss
-Black Gold organic potting soil
-Organic Worm castings
-Perlite
-Sand
-Chicken Manure ****** (do not use)

Nutrients:
-Grow, Micro, Bloom by Advanced Nutrients
-Vitamax by Grotek
-Flouralicious Bloom (organic) by General Hydroponics
-Sweet (havenâ??t used yet)
-Fish Emulsion (organic)
-Bone and Blood meal (organic)
-Revive
-Growth Excel (organic)

Use- generally mixing it at full strength. (Gro:Mico:Bloom:Vita at 2:2:0.5:2.5 mL per L)
-we only started using vitamax one week ago
-we foliar feed with growth excel 6 days a week when the lights go off (3mL per L)
-we mixed some bone/blood meal in the soil mix. More blood in the vegg pot. And more bone in the biggest pot as theyâ??ll be flowering in them

[harris7]

Strains
Started From Clone:
-Champagne 2 plants + 6 rooting clones
-Hog 1 plant
-Mud 1 plant
(not a â??realâ?� strain it was named mud as a friend cloned a bunch of plants he found growing in mud)

Started From Seed:
-Dutch Treat 3(but maybe 2) plants
-Atomic Northern Lights 1 plant
-BC Big Bang 3 seedlings
-Bag seed 6 seedlings

-All mature plants 100% females
-attached is all the plants labeled

[harris7]

Problems to Date:
-Chicken Manure was used (How the politicians would say it, no blame placed)
-Due to the manure we burnt and stunted some plants mainly the two smallest clones and the mature plants started from seed
-It also has a really bad pH so many of the plants have been having minor lock out problems
-Little bit of heat stress as they grew too close to light. One reverted to 3 bladed leafs

-We had a seeding area under the veg chamber so we seeded 7 bag seed and with the low ventilation it got too hot (with just a T5) so they all have heat stress.

Training:
-Iâ??ve topped the two champagneâ??s and took 4 other clones off them.
-Iâ??ve LSTâ??d them both but in different ways. The largest had all its lower shoots trained off to one side throughout its growth. And recently we topped and bent the main stem over so that all the side shoots were exposed (30+ growth tips now)
-The second largest plant I topped and let it grow up. It now has 5 major growth tips that weâ??re training out. (were kinda comparing the yield of the techniques)
-Trying to train one dutch treat into a circle around the edge of the pot. But, the older stem is very stiff so itâ??s not going too well

The Plan:
-planning to move the two largest plants (both Champagne) into flower very soon havenâ??t decided
-Then after two weeks we hope to move 1 plant per 10 days aprox. In order to be continuously harvesting so we donâ??t have to deal with lots of buds at one time.
-As well a friend who is growing in Ottawa has a male plant so is going to harvest and send some pollen to me. His strain is Fat Bastard. So thatâ??ll be fun in about 2 months.
-Grow 3 of the new clones 100% organic


Questions:
-I heard somewhere that mixing synthetic and organics doesnâ??t bring particularly good results. Is this true?
-When you all think I should start flowering. Once I start I want to be able to keep the one plant per 10 days going after the initial 14-10 days of the first two starting flower.
-As well the biggest plant the Champagneâ??s growth has really slown down since the LST I guess it is because of the diffusion of growth energy with so many growth tips. Any other ideas?

[harris7]

BTW i am growing WITH dutch.lover

[harris7]

So i'm going away for two days and the plants will be on there own.
I watered all the ones that will need it

more importantly i've retied one of the big plants to further spread out the top growth. It has some really nice big growth tips and when i flower i dont want them competing for light, as well it will give some more light to the small growth tips in the center.

Now that I finished my flowering room we can flower whenever. I guess we are going to wait until the small tips on this plant get a little big bigger.

[harris7]

well i'm back and all is good. plants grew a lot. Some of them putting on two nodes :D

as well my clones have popped roots out the bottoms of there pots. so i've moved them to 2inch under the T5

The clones have strange yellowing patterns on them. Unlike when i've cloned b4. I assume they are using the energy to grow roots. but the thing is, they are not just yellowing on the lowest nodes, check out pics

anyone got any ideas.

as well my big girl still isn't growing. and its kinda worrying me. she looks good. and she's been through a lot. in the last 2.5 weeks we've repotted, topped and LSTed. She was growing after the topping and repotting, so i dont know.
I know she isn't growing cuz of pics as well her growth tips have become dark green.



here some pics.

anyone else wana post :dance:

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, harris7. I remember this room from way back when I first joined. I was like, wow, somone is doing a closet similar to the one in 'my' JOURNAL. Then I didn't see much for a while. Well, last time you posted, I remember you were having doubts about cutting holes in walls/ceilings, I think. If I saw correctly, seems you decided to go ahead and give in, huh? Well, they look good so far, I like the LST'd ones. I'll keep checking in. Keep it up.

:rasta: RastafarI

TGF

[harris7]

naa i put all the vents through the floor which i constructed. The floor is a plywood bench.

I decided not to damage the place as it's obviously not the best idea.

[dutch.lover]

He is the brawn behind this operation, i am the brains. tee hee. Seriously tho, i will give credit where credit is due- he physically built the whole thing by himself. Awesome job.

[harris7]

so i'm still dealing with the plant that will not grow...
anyone have any suggestions to make it grow?

[TheGreenFog]

so i'm still dealing with the plant that will not grow...
anyone have any suggestions to make it grow?

Possible pH problem...it's still in veg, right? Maybe throw some superthrive on there?

Why is Dutch.Lover banned? :confused:

:(

:rasta:

TGF

[harris7]

thanks for advice, i gave it some NPK and it started growin again. I guess she was hungery

she posted on a thread that was about buying weed.
seems kinda extreem but w/e

[Bree1978]

thanks for advice, i gave it some NPK and it started growin again. I guess she was hungery

she posted on a thread that was about buying weed.
seems kinda extreem but w/e

THAT's FUNnnnny.

[harris7]

Here is a plant I tied up yesterday, and today she has already adapted and looks good.

As we all know there are a lot of LST methods and I have been using this one to keep the canopy low and to keep it consistent. As well some of the plants werenâ??t putting out large side shoots (they were shaded by large fan leafs) so this method nicely exposes the shoots.

Here are pics of one plant I tied a week ago, Iâ??m trying to work it into a circle, then top it, so it has lots of tips.

[the image reaper]

Harris7 ... very nice cabinet, you do good work ... I like your air circulation setup ... as for your false floor, you are in a convenient setup for my buddy's "30-degree floor" setup ... he took a clone of mine, and set it on a 'floor' , mounted on a 30-degree angle ... this allowed the overhead lamp to shower the top and entire side of his plants, for heavier mid, and bottom buds ... he would rotate the pots every day for full coverage ... this photo is the result, it was amazing! ... we had the same clones, same lamps, etc., but his yield just ran away from mine ! ... :smokin:

[jamstigator]

Aha, I wasn't sure if I had dreamed that, about the 30 degree thing! I'm thinking about trying that myself with a big ol' Durban Poison x Skunk #1 plant currently in a HydroHut with a 1k light, but I wasn't sure if I'd actually read about that, or just dreamed I had. Not sure my side branches are strong enough to handle the tilt though, but they have had a fan on them so maybe they will be. Guess I'll give it a shot tonight and see how she handles it. ;)

[harris7]

That is an amazing plant, what was it's yield? or is it still growing?

Do you think you could get the same result mounting the light on the side, and rotate the plants?


Yea the vents work well but the metal duct makes a lot of noise. I think the sound echoes down it or something, i am thinking of replacing it with a plastic one.

any ideas on how to make it quieter?

[the image reaper]

actually, my friend, custom39, dreamed up that 'tilt' idea, he's a genius Mad scientist in real life ... :D ... he's smoking that puppy now ... :smokin:

[Dutch Pimp]

...tell him to work on ..Emailing seeds directly from the seed banks..LOL..

[jamstigator]

Well, I tried the tilt, and didn't work, plant's too big now. I guess you need to start on that earlier, so the plant builds up some extra strength in the stems and can take being basted in light like a turkey. But damn, that's a cool idea. Next time I have just one plant flowering for any reason, I'm gonna try it from the start!

Anyway, pardon the interruption, and back to your regularly scheduled broadcast. ;)

[harris7]

So we've noticed a bunch of small red ants around the apartment. But only in the two areas in which plants are. IE grow room and bath room.

We seem to have some mysterious problems. Plants with good pH and getting good nutes having leafs die off. most of the plants have some sort of Minor problem. And these ants are everywhere so we're thinking they might be the mysterious cause?

any thoughts?

[harris7]

Today was a busy day. Dutch.lover and myself transplanted 7 plants (3 clones 4 seedlings). The clones are champagne and three of the seeds are BC big Bang and 1 is just a Bag seed.

We also are running out of room. So we refitted the other chamber with the 400W HPS and moved 3 plants under there (18/6 lighting still). We need to buy another timer and then were flowering them. Maybe just two now. And hold out as long as we can for the third. Itâ??s just that our room in the veg chamber is under high demand now. We also have 8 plants needing to be repotted soon but they can last in the smaller pots for a while longer.

We also treated all the plants with neem oil. Were thinking we got some type of bug problems, probably thripâ??s.

How are our two clones looking? Any thoughts

Thanks

[harris7]

so now that we've got both lights going things are good. But, the flowering chamber is getting a little too hot, up to 90 F at one point. So we need to beef up the vent system some how.

Currently the intake exceeds the exhaust, hmmm what to do.

I've read that a 90 degree bend in a duct will reduce air flow by 60%
(Grower's bible, jorge cervantes)

is this true. I trust jorge

To counter this I plant to replace the aluminum 5" duct i have, see pic above. The one that bends 90 degrees for the exhaust. And replace it with a 8-10 inch one. I'm thinking this would increase flow.

As well i'm going to replace it with a plastic one. AS the aluminum transmits the fan noise. (i actually think it echoes it and makes i louder) It makes it hard to sleep.

[dutch.lover]

I'm back! That was one of the longest weeks i have ever had to endure. Being able to read posts but not say anything was torture!! For anyone wondering why I was banned, I was tryin to help out a fellow Canuck but alas *sigh* I have never read the forum rules. lol. My fault. Anyways, I'm glad to be back!

[dutch.lover]

Update on the bug problem: there are lots of issues. First off, there are still a few mini-ants running around, however we aren't sure they are affecting our plants. Also, today we found a couple little (like a couple mm's long)crawly yellow worm-looking creatures on the leaves of our bagseed seedlings (the plants we saw these on are seperated from all of our big plants, so hopefully they don't get that bug too). To top that off- all of our houseplants (non-cannabis) have a major spider-mite infestation!! yikes! Good thing we have neem oil and insecticidal soap, we have been spraying the plants we can see bugs on with the soap, and then all the rest with neem oil every day. We are getting it all under control.

[dutch.lover]

This is a totally random post but oh well.... I am in LOVE with LSTing! :D Our plants that have been LSTd are doing great! There's so much new growth, bigger side shoots, etc. Plus, the tying is strengthening the stems of the plants which is really good, because we dont have much of a fan blowing on them. Anyways, thats my two cents!

[harris7]

hey,
we could use some help. got some bad def. that i cant seem to get rid of

some help would be great
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=92382

[dutch.lover]

Just put three of our largest plants into flower.

[dutch.lover]

PLEASE HELP WITH BUG PROBLEM- POST IS ON PLANT PROBLEMS FORUM


recap: little yellow wormy things eating the shit outta our plants.

[dutch.lover]

So our plants are like 2 weeks into flower- looking great so far!! I think we are gonna have some crazy long colas :D I will get Harris to post some pics soon if anyone is interested. We also took 5 clones yesterday, 2 Dutch Treat, 1 The Hog, and 2 from a sort of 'anonymous' plant. We are severely running out of space though. we could squeeze a couple more plants into our flowering chamber but that will only end up sacrificing the yield cause they will be too crowded and all the lil buds wont get much light. oh well, we will just have to wait it out! :)

PS: we sprayed our plants with Safer's End-All about a week ago, and it took care of the bugs that were munching away at them. They were spotted again yesterday, but as long as we keep spraying every week or so for awhile, it should end their life cycle and we will be done with them! muahahaha

[dutch.lover]

Alright well here is another update for anyone paying attention to this log. We have 4 plants in flower now, have been in there for just over two weeks. We just spotted lots of trichomes on our biggest plant, and to a lesser extent on all the rest. For odor control we are using 5 odor-neutralizing cfls, and our friends haven't noticed any smell when they come to visit. Since I have never grown before, I have no idea if the smell will get worse as the plants continue budding. I'm inclined to think so... but can anyone else verify that? We also have a small carbon filter fan thing, which plugs into the wall which we are planning on using too, if needed.

[dutch.lover]

Here are some pics...

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[dutch.lover]

sorry about the sideways pics. lol.

[faithless]

yeah, those pics are a pain in the neck, pretty on the eyeball though

[dutch.lover]

haha thanks. the trichomes had just started to appear so I thought it was a great time for a photo op!

[4x5]

I've adapted that method myself too, I just lower and rotate the light bank(3 lights in my setup), add 2 reflectors against the opposing side and it seems to work quite well as your friend has discovered. Also halts early flowering stretch vastly slows vertical growth for the rest of flowering(1-2 inch per week vertical growth, instead of 1-2" every day.)

cheers,



Harris7 ... very nice cabinet, you do good work ... I like your air circulation setup ... as for your false floor, you are in a convenient setup for my buddy's "30-degree floor" setup ... he took a clone of mine, and set it on a 'floor' , mounted on a 30-degree angle ... this allowed the overhead lamp to shower the top and entire side of his plants, for heavier mid, and bottom buds ... he would rotate the pots every day for full coverage ... this photo is the result, it was amazing! ... we had the same clones, same lamps, etc., but his yield just ran away from mine ! ... :smokin:

[Treetops]

:thumbsup:

[dutch.lover]

awww that was so nice, thanks! now people won't get neck cramps from looking at the pics. i think the pics are pretty sweet too, and the buds will only look better over the next six weeks or so. I will keep ya posted!

[Treetops]

http://www.irfanview.com/

:thumbsup:

[Splifted]

http://www.irfanview.com/

:thumbsup:

Yep, thats what i use to resize & rotate. Great prog.

[Abattoir Dream]

which pics are HOG then? or arent they up yet?

[dutch.lover]

We just put Hog under 12/12 about three or four days ago, so I haven't taken any pictures of it yet. I can take one in the next few days though, so you can at least see what it looks like for now. Harris7, if you are reading this- could ya please post a pic for me? I am out of town for a few days.

[harris7]

sorry to say i dont have any good pics of it on the computer.
To be honest it was the slowest growing plant. This is due to us planting it in some chicken manure which burned it and brought the pH up above 8.0!
This plant seems to take pH swings bad when compared two the two other strains all given same conditions.

In this picture the HOG is the only one without buds, and is on the bottom middle. It also has a darker green and much smaller than the others.

i'll get some good pics up of it on boxing day when i go back home. with parents for xmas.

happy xmas all

harris7

[dutch.lover]

ok thought I would update this thread cause it's been awhile. We thought we were having troubles with yellowing occuring in our flowering plants, but we are crossing our fingers that it's within the normal range, and they will finish just fine. I attatched some pics of our vegging plants. Pic one and two are of our plants under our MH. I also attatched two pics of our newly rooted clones under our T5. Yes, they are heat stressed. We don't have a good setup for that light- it's in our bedroom so we practically have to smother the light with blankets to keep the light dim so we can sleep=overheating our babies. We are hopefully gonna build a cab to put the light in, and therefore use it to it's full potential. Anyways, enjoy!

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^this last pic is the type of T5 we're using, btw

[dutch.lover]

These are the pics of our flowering plants- only about 2 weeks left to go til harvest!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[dutch.lover]

I should add that we are having to move all of our plants out of our apartment today cause our manager is entering out unit tomorrow morning. any advice on how to cover them up (like boxes, bags or something) so no one can see what they are, when we are moving them?

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, dutch.lover and harris7. Hope you guys are doing well.

I guess the boxes would be best, so they dont collapse on top of the plants. Bags or something unsturdy would probably hurt the plant. Good luck with the inspection.

That's the bummer about apartments...you don't own the place. Bummer.

Well, good luck. Try boxes. Large ones...like wardrobe boxes. Maybe a bit pricey if you can't find any used ones behind a store or something, but it would be worth it for the peace of mind, eh?

Looking forward to harvest pics. :D


The Fog :rastasmoke:


P.S. One more quick thing...I know you asked recently about the yellowing of your plant, and you were told that it was pretty normal for that time period...but to me...it just seems a bit too yellow...and straight. I guess what I mean is that the leaves seem to be not yellowing in the normal fashin that leaves yellow when they are dying naturally.

I don't want to scare you or anything, I just kind of don't agree with some of the comments that were said about it. I mean, I don't know what the hell I'm talking abou tanyway, but it just seems like they are lacking SOMETHING.

My edit time is running out so I'm gonna leave it at that. Hope you have a great harvest anyway.

[dutch.lover]

yeah we still feel uneasy about the yellowing, but we are keeping our fingers crossed that it won't get much worse before it's time to harvest. We started to fertilize them quite a bit again, and the yellowing has slowed, if not stopped for the time being. I think they will be fine until harvest... We are starting a feeding schedule for all of our future plants tho, so hopefully that will help to sort of standardize things a bit and make it clearer what is going wrong, if something is going wrong.

Thanks for the visit!

[TheGreenFog]

Sure. No problem. I'm not sure if I have posted on here before or not, but I have been keeping my eye on the thread for sure.

Yea, I think it was a fert thing. I'm sure you will do excellently on the next one. The first one is always for learning...and it seems to me that harris seems to know his stuff. Actually, I'm surprised you are having this problem with him around. From reading most of his posts, he seems to be a semi-guru... :)

Standardize...mmmm sounds delicious. hehe :D


The Fog :rastasmoke:


Here, have some rep. :pimp:

[dutch.lover]

Here are a few more bud pics- I know everyone likes those! These are from a strain called Dutch Treat. They smell really yummy, very citrusy and fresh- sometimes i want to eat them. lol.

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[TheGreenFog]

sometimes i want to eat them. lol.



I say that all the time. :D Even open my mouth and act like I'm taking a bite. ;)



VERY delicious looking, your pics, there.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[dutch.lover]

Hey Fog- I just wanted to comment on how you said Harris7 is practically a guru. lol. I would agree, and the reason we ran into problems was that we couldn't really tell what the plants were up to... like we tried ferts, we tried flushing and no ferts, but nothing really seemed to fix the yellowing of the plants. That's why we are gonna start up the standardized feeding schedule. The nutrient companies don't recommend that you only water on certain waterings, they say to fertilize every water. This is working for my friends grow, but it is contrary to anything I have read before. I always thought you alternated plain water, with nute water. What do you think? Also, while I have your attention... could you take a peek at the thread I just started called Nothing I Have Ever Seen...

[Dead Lifted]

I know my opinion probably doesn't amount to much, but in my studies, it seems that using your chosen fert consecutively during watering for a week or so and then using straight water for a few days seems to work in allowing your plants to acquire the nutrients they need as well as allowing them time to process them and flush waste. Please advise if you feel otherwise.

[dutch.lover]

that's what we always thought... having a schedule like fert fert water fert fert water...something like that. we kept having problems with burns and/or deficiencies, so i think we are just going to put the plants on a strict nute-ing schedule from now on (fertilizing every time we water), and then just flush them every couple of weeks to rid them of any waste/buildup that's accumulated. this system is working perfectly for our friend who is growing as well, so we are going to try that for a bit.

[harris7]

I know my opinion probably doesn't amount to much, but in my studies, it seems that using your chosen fert consecutively during watering for a week or so and then using straight water for a few days seems to work in allowing your plants to acquire the nutrients they need as well as allowing them time to process them and flush waste. Please advise if you feel otherwise.

The best method IMO is to get your plants on a feeding schedule and watch the plants.

So for example one might feed, every second day at:
250mL per feeding for 2 week
300ml for week 3
350ml week 4
400mL week 5-6
(for say a 3 gallon pot)

so you always feed at this, while at the same time watching the plant. If the plant starts to look a little dark (nitrogen toxicity) cut down the mL on the schedule.

If the plant starts to lighten up and look under fert'ed add in an extra day or add a little more fert each time.
Note: if you are using good quality synthetic ferts (and have good pH) you should never run into any problems other than N and Mg def. As these ferts have everything in the right proportions. N and Mg are used very very quickly by the plant and wash out of the soil easily.

by keeping it standard over time you can find out how much fert you plant will need per week and eventually get a perfect schedule for you strain and soil mix

[harris7]

Note: we use advanced nutrients (a very interesting company to say the least, it will and almost has dominated the nutrient business)

They would be worth your while to read about, they employ both Ed Rosenvelt and Dr. hornby and 5 other PHD scientists to analysis and create their products.

As well they use the medical status of MJ in Canada to test their products. They supply medical growers with plants/equipment/fertilizers and in house assistance. (something the fucking government should be doing)
all they ask is for a tissue sample every week. They analysis it and see if the plant is lacking any Nutes. Pretty sweet

Anyways the reason I brought them up is that they are currently developing strain specific nutrient systems. So soon (hopefully) when you buy Northern lights you can go pick up the A.N. and look up the specific mix that works for NL.
Now that’s kick ass.

(they also are developing nutes for food crops too)

i hope to work for them one day once i get my degree

[dutch.lover]

i'm confused...we were keeping two male plants in veg until our friend set up a grow box at his place to keep them and harvest pollen. yesterday we noticed that a flower opened!!! umm isn't this supposed to happen when the plant is in flower??!?!? i haven't dealt with males before so is there something i should know that i don't? the strain is BC Big Bang (dynamite x bc big bud)....mainly indica NOT ruderalis (which is auto flowering and would explain what happened). So anyways...im hoping the pollen isn't viable in these males yet....can anyone shed some info?

[brookerosebud]

males can drop pollen even in 24/7 photoperiod... and yes, the pollen IS viable...

love, brooke

[dutch.lover]

*heart sinks*

we've got 4 plants that are really close to harvest so i don't think they will be affected, but it's possible the other 2 plants early in flower will be pollinated. i wasn't planning on growing a seeded crop, but Big Bang X with Dutch Treat and Big Bang X with Hog will probably produce some pretty sweet seeds. thanks for replying brooke!

[brookerosebud]

if you are sitll early in flower on the others, you'll have a very limited seed production, as they won't have all of their pistils yet. so, don't give up, you may still end up with 90+% sinse...

what will help is if you spray the male down with water (h2o kills pollen) and mist your babies.

love, brooke

[dutch.lover]

cool thanks...we have sprayed the males down a few times now, so now all that's left is to dispose of them! i hate killing canna plants for the record...

anyways, we might decide to take the pollen and purposely pollinate some plants after all, but we also want a nice yield coming up so we've got some thinking to do...

[brookerosebud]

i was going to suggest that you breed, if you have good genetics. i've got my f1's started and having a blast! males can be a good thing too...:D that sounded bad...

love, brooke

[harris7]

The two crosses are actually very good

Big bang was the male. (big bang = big bud x dynamite)

So we got

Big Bang x Dutch Treat
Big Bang x HOG

Not bad if you ask me, I want to pollinate all of the two plants now and get a bunch of seeds and just keep that bud to ourselves, it’s only two plants.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, dutch & harris...and brooke. :)


So, yea...I'm obviously not as well-read as harris, even though I think I've read a lot. I've also mainly focused on hydro for a while and just recently started to venture into the soil, coco, soilless types of mediums while reading up.

In the JOURNAL...with the 'soilless/hydro' setup, the nutes are given every time the res changes. Like harris said, once you find your number, you should be pretty decent with the levels due to the ratio already in the bottles. The only thing I've noticed have been mainly Mg def and some N def. See, harris knows his sh*t. :greenthumb:

harris, I've heard about AdvNut being cannabis-specific (along with the flack they receive for it)...and I'm very interested to hear how you like them once you're done. Sounds like you've already developed an opinion, though. That sounds wicked about the supplying plants, etc..and then getting tissue samples and testing nute levels. VERY cool. I just might have to do some research into that. :) Thanks.

That really sucks about your males...but yea, brooke also knows what she's talking about so, I'd be careful with them. Don't go shaking them over your flowering plants. :p hehe. If you didn't read my thread lately...one of the flowering plants went hermie later into flower...pollinated the whole crop...yet...the ones that were farther away and had less exposure, had MUCH fewer seeds...like almost none...just enough for breeding, but not enough to ruin the potency and yeild. The others closer to the perpetrating plant were chock full of seeds in some parts. Meh...live and learn...

Good luck finishing up your grow. Look forward to harvest pics. Those buds look nice. :) I should be adding some things to my thread soon because there are already more flowering and the NL & BG is growing! :)


Be cool.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[harris7]

Our intension was to harvest the pollen, that’s why we kept the males around.
I really don’t care that much that our plants were pollinated, I would have preferred to have selectively pollinated particular buds. But alas

Thanks for the high opinion. The main reason I know stuff is because I have always been interested in plants, I’ve worked in a greenhouse, and I take plant biology and genetics in university.

Advanced Nutes, They claim to have the best products on the market (but who doesn’t) I’ve read a book called Bud INC which was very interesting. I know a lot of the people in the book and for what I know I can verify the validity of the text 100%.
This is were I’ve learnt most of what I know about A.N.

The book is so accurate about everything else, I trust it. I spoke to a cannabis lawyer friend of mine today who verified some of what I’ve heard about AN

You should also be warned that AN has a dark side.
It was started by Three men, Cant remember their names. These three men also “own” a black corporation called “The company”.

The company is a grow op company. They have a large network of houses, growers, trimmers, carpenters, drywallers, Plummers, electricians, thugs and so on.

They have this system, An outside donor “sponsors” a grow op. And fronts all the cash for it.
With this money “the company” rents a house, buys the equipment, often renovates the place to make it a big op, brings in their growers and so on.
(up to this point only 1 of the owners is involved Big mike)

At harvest, They bring in the second owner. HE’s got the trimmers and distributors.
The third guy is the muscle if this go bad.

That’s the dark side.

Now: back to the light side
The way I see it, it’s a black company trying to make it legal. This year their sales should it 100 million.

Obviously they have a huge stake in cannabis being legalized, their business with explode. Recently they have purchased some online pro-legalization websites and are pumping money into them.
So I think there a good corp to support IMO

[doco]

Always interesting and informative to stop by this thread...:cool:

[harris7]

I thought I should add some pics to show all of the stages of the grow. As ive been claiming itâ??s â??all stagesâ?�

pics
1- Some freshly rooted Atomic Northern Lights
2- Some older clones under the T5 (Dutch Treat, Mud, HOG)
3- Our males :mad: there bc big bang
4- is our vegging chamber
5- is our flowering chamber

[dutch.lover]

im gonna add something to harris's last post...for those of you interested in T5s. The clones shown under there right now have very long internodes in the middle of the plants. This isn't due to the T5 being shitty or anything, it has to do with the fact that those plants recieved very very inadequate light for about 48 hours (this occured when we had to move the plants outta our apartment, to a friends, and then back again). The T5s actually work amazing, as you can tell by the bushiness at the base of the plants and the tops. Just thought i would clarifly that for anyone interested.

[harris7]

Heres a little experiment were doing.

Weâ??ve planted two clones of the same strain, Champagne, in one 5 gallon pot.
We take a lot of notes and document the height, size, # of growth tips, etc
We also will be documenting the yield, pot size, training method and any pruning.

Since were working with clones weâ??ll see if two small plants in a pot yields the same as one bigger one. Hopefully it will be more. The idea is that you will be able to veg for a much shorter time, well half the time right if your two smaller plants are exactly half as big.

Also, here s a pic of our temporary mother. Sheâ??s northern lights
It took us a long time to get growing this strain down, and by that time the plant grew in a manor that wouldnâ??t be worth flowering. So we topped it and are cloning all the side shoots out. Two more rounds of cloning then weâ??ll be doing some extreme LSTing and seeing how the plant reacts. Then weâ??ll snip her down.
Itâ??s sad killing your plants, but you gotta be strong.

Pics
1-mother NL

[brookerosebud]

why not keep her as a mom?

[harris7]

why not keep her as a mom?

We dont really have the space. I plant to mother her for a while. But we dont want to over do NL.

we have an interesting system.
currently were boosting 6 strains, in these stages

NL 1 mother, 5 clones rooting
mud bud, 1 vegging 2 clones rooted 10 inch tall
HOG 1 flowering, 1 clone
dutch treat 3 flowering, 2 clones
big bang 1 seedling 10 inch tall
champagne 2 flowering 3-4 clones

So right now were running through all the strains to see how we like the smoke. Then we might cut out a strain, probably not.

The general idea is to run through groups of the same strain so that when we get rid of it we have larger amounts of each. Rather than 1 oz of 5 strains. Have a QP of 1. As well we have different plants for each strain so we can compare the genetics better when they grow together.

So we got some Champagne that were going to run through in a bit.
Weâ??ll probably mother that HOG clone (that ones just to keep the genetics)
Dutch treat is a very nice strain, we know that now. So weâ??ll cut a bunch of the two clones there and run a batch of that through after the NL clones we have rooting now.

Kinda see what Iâ??m getting at.

Also, itâ??s an old wives tale that plants loose their vigor or turn hermi or male after several generations of cuttings. Iâ??ve read this from several very reliable sources (breeding and growing books I have)

Were just trying to feel out the strains and make our investment back now. Then were going to cross them and start from seed again once we move. I hope to set up a breeding room right now, Iâ??m actually taking genetics so I know a lot more about it in a few months.

[dutch.lover]

EXCITING NEWS!

Just figured out how to work our microscope, and checked our 4 oldest plants. The trichs are mainly cloudy, with a few clear still, and a few amber! We are going to do a really thorough flush today. After we flush, we just wait a week and harvest? or is there anything else we should know?

[brookerosebud]

wait a week, then turn off the lights for 72 hours. this will up resin by maybe 5%, but imo is deff worth it. thc degrades in light, so extra dark time helps to build it up some. not a huge difference, but a noticeable one...

[harris7]

Yes i've read that, 5% more is a lot!

Were going to flush today, What is the shortest recommended time between flush and harvest. And what is the optimal time.

Can effects of early harvest (chlorophyll not being broken down and such)
Be lowered with a good cure?

[brookerosebud]

i don't think it's 5% total, but a 5% increase of your percentage (i.e. 20%thc would have an increase of 1% totalling 21% thc)

[dutch.lover]

Here are some bud pics i just took now of our 4 oldest plants, the ones nearing harvest time. they're hastily taken and don't show the entire plant necessarily, but i think the close ups will give you all an idea of how things are lookin right now. each pic is of a diff plant.

enjoy!
[attachment=o113681] [attachment=o113682]

[attachment=o113683] [attachment=o113684]

Note: pic 2 is the only pic of the entire plant. this plant was the one we were expecting the most of, but wow have things changed! it's now our stringiest plant with the smallest buds. it had about 30 tops on it when we put it into 12/12, so that shows more isn't better! our 4 headed monster is by far the best!

[brookerosebud]

from a visual without seeing trichs, i'd say 10-17 more days...

[harris7]

Anyone have any thougths on these pics.
Dutch and I did a lot of work last night.
Cut 6 new NL clones of the mom
Repotted some large plants and flowered a nice big girl

the first picture is dutch treat, I've noticed this girl looks like she's reaching up to the light. I think its a good think, she only does it when shes happy, anyone know why.

I've noticed rooting clones do a similar thing, heres two pics of that.

And here are all of our rooting clones, were probaly going to have to get rid of some

[TheGreenFog]

Nice pics, harris7 (It pains me to keep typing your name with a small {h}...:p)

I'm loving the Dutch Treat. Beautiful! :D:D:D


Looking forward to the harvest in a while. :greenthumb:



The Fog :rastasmoke:

[invision]

harris i was reading in another thread about cutting off all fan leaves, when i was about 10days from harvest i cut all the fingers from the leaves leaving just enough leaf to still take in light.

i noticed doing this made my main cola soar in wieght and fattened right up, i would try it out on one plant and see what happens and if you like it just do it that way towards the end.

another nice trick is when they are 1-2 weeks into flower chop off everything not getting light(mostly the whole bottom of the plant including small grow shoots) and she will take off like a rocket.

the root system is enough to support what was already there and by taking away a good 30% of useless plant matter she now has more energy into making buds on the tops rather than making whispy crap on the centers to the stem.

food for thought!

your plants look great by the way flush them out while you have time.

[canuck grower]

All I have to say is :thumbsup:. :)

[harris7]

wow these last few days the girls have just packed on Tric's and size. It's amazing. It's like i could take a Calyx pop it on a ring and ask Dutch lover to marry me. (it's that crystaly)

So we last fed on the 16th, which was 8 days ago. We've only been giving them pHed water and i gave them a semi flush (just over watered them all by about 1 L) i'll do that again today.

What is the least amount of time between last feeding and harvest? As well, Can i tell if they've used up a lot of the stored nutes by the lack of fan leafs. or how the yellowing is progressing

[invision]

no need to hurry when your at the finish line, give her about 5 more days of just water then let her dry out and start to wilt just a tad then chop her :)

[harris7]

i was going to suggest that you breed, if you have good genetics. i've got my f1's started and having a blast!


Wow, I just was re-reading some posts and it just occurred to me that â??f1â?� isnâ??t your strain. Itâ??s your first cross. Wow, that only took 2 weeks. Anyways what did you cross and what traits are you breeding for?

Have you looked into how particular traits are transmitted in cannabis.
Such as bud size, potency, leaf type (sativa/indica), smell and so on

I would like to know about the type of dominance for each as well as the number of genes controlling each. I really donâ??t want to have to figure it out through breeding as that will take quite a while. I have a book on cannabis breeding, I guess itâ??s probably in there.



males can be a good thing too...:D that sounded bad...


I have a humorous book on Cannabis. One wonderful quote from it

â??when growing cannabis males only take up space once fertilization occurs.
This shows that mother nature is consistent if nothing else.

[Bree1978]

that is hilarious! I'm going to use it as my signature!!!!!!!! I've loved reading the log. Bree

[TheGreenFog]

Anyways what did you cross and what traits are you breeding for?

Have you looked into how particular traits are transmitted in cannabis.
Such as bud size, potency, leaf type (sativa/indica), smell and so on

I would like to know about the type of dominance for each as well as the number of genes controlling each. I really donâ??t want to have to figure it out through breeding as that will take quite a while. I have a book on cannabis breeding, I guess itâ??s probably in there.


I am curious about the same things. When you cross...how do you know which traits will be passed along and so on...

Makes for an interesting topic of discussion...I'm sure there's a thread out there about it. I'll have to find it.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

[harris7]

I am curious about the same things. When you cross...how do you know which traits will be passed along and so on...

Makes for an interesting topic of discussion...I'm sure there's a thread out there about it. I'll have to find it.


The Fog :rastasmoke:

Well â??traitsâ?� are called phenotypes. Which have very interesting relationships to genotypes.

One phenotype can be caused by two different genotypes.

Say leaf shape Indica leafs or sativa leafs.
The alleles for indiac are I and Sativa S
So in Cannabis there are three possibilities
II or IS or SS
Now lets assume indica is the dominant allele
So if the I is dominant then a plant with:
II or IS will have indica leafs
And only the plant with SS will have sativa leafs.

It gets a lot more complex than this, but welcome to the field of genetics.
Itâ??s what Iâ??m currently studying in school.

The problem for me is that several kinds of relationships can exist between alleles
Sometimes when you have two (IS) both express and you get a half way look
Thatâ??s call co-dominance.

My problem is that I need to know the relationships between dominance and each trait when I breed for it. And to find out what it is myself takes like 3 generations of breeding.
Which I donâ??t want to do.

[dutch.lover]

Here's a little mini update for you all: we put Hog into flower 8 days ago, and it has grown 6 inches since then!!! We are proud of the big gal, but a little annoyed that she will be hog-ging the grow space (pun intended lol)!!

Pics to follow later.

[dutch.lover]

Here are some pics of the fattened buds!!

[attachment=o115255][attachment=o115256][attachment=o115257] These are taken from 2 different plants, both the Dutch Treat strain.:jointsmile:

[harris7]

So I thought it was time for an update.

The Multi-plant pot is doing very well as well I believe that we have worked out our system for growing.

The first pic is to highlight how small the internodes can be when using the T5.
The second is the 5 gallon pot with two plants in it
The third is the LST method we are using. Which I recommend
The forth is a plant which we are moving from the T5 to the MH

This method is working so well for us, i feel the need to share:

The method we really like is, growing a plant under the T5 to the size of pic 4
(ideally with the internodes of pic 1)
We then top the plant and make a clone of that. Let the plant recover
Then we transplant the lil guy into a big 5 gallon pot but we donâ??t keep it in the center.
We plant her right up against a the side of the pot, so that we can bend her over and sheâ??ll wont invade other plants space.
Since she was topped her side shoots should take off.
Finally, bend the plants main stalk over so that it is horizontal. And tie all the large side shoots out to the edges of the pot.

Weâ??ve found that the plant hardly stalls itâ??s growth during topping/LSTing

[BuddyLove]

there'll be alot of dutch action going on at your pad trhis week ;)

your buds look nice n dense

happy trimming :jointsmile:

[harris7]

YA were pretty excited. WE acctualy put 2 plants into their "darkness cycle" b4 harvest. We put em in about 20 hours ago, and going to keep them there for about 30 hours. Then, Snip, snip. Mmmmmm

first harvest,, very excited. It's not the biggest ones though they need a few more days.

[harris7]

WE only chopped two smaller plants. the other two are for some reason way behind in maturity. Odd.

So we copped one dutch treat and one Champ.

Im hoping for 3-4 oz from both of them, but we'll see.

any guesses?


ps- the pic with the buds on the news papers. champ. is the left column and dutch T the right.

[Kindbud]

ive been keepin close to this thread since you started. So badass to see you pulled those fire kolas man. Looks like 3 ozs wet atleast ,hope to see some more grows from you. Get some nug shots when they dry,and the smoke report of course. Later -kb

[Smokeymcdanks]

hey if your getting rid of some of those clones ill gladly take them and pay for them. please hit me back up so we can talk

[Smokeymcdanks]

oh wait nvm fuck u live in canada. damn sorry about that

[canuck grower]

I have no idea how much it is but it looks awesome. Congrats! :jointsmile:

[la marea]

how come you didn't cut off the fan leaves? Looks sweeet though man, I can't wait to see what it turned out like. Wow that treat fuckin sure plumped out. I read some of the stuff you posted earlier and I'd agree that 3-4 king kolas is better than little side shoot butter buds. I'm thinkin for our big girls we're gonna focus on just massive clumped up branches and avoid the little flowers on teh bottom. Congrats on your first harvest, when do you think you'll pull the other two ladies?

[Shermania]

nice thread. lots of good info throughout. keep it up.

[harris7]

sorry for being away, out internet is down. so i have to go to cafe's to check email.

This is a nice small harvest, the next two plants will be 2-3 times as much, as there just fucking huge. i'm excited.

we oven dried some of the small popcorn buds and gave em a try last night. And were quite happy. A very interesting high, Sativa yet indica. WE mixed both of the buds together. yumm

[dutch.lover]

ok Harris7 definitely didn't seem excited enough in that post! I personally thought the weed was amazing! I got sooooo high. It had a pretty strong body high (strangely mainly affecting the lower half of the body), but a clear head high- it didn't make me pass out like most body highs do. Anyways, I am totally looking forward to the rest of our harvesting- I want to smoke more of our shit!!!!!!:jointsmile:

[dutch.lover]

Harris7 finished building that 'second floor' in the growroom today, the one he mentioned earlier. We are also going to put our biggest plant into darkness tonight, and harvest after the 24hr period has elapsed. We are harvesting her a little bit earlier than we wanted to, but we cut nutes too early and her yellowing is getting pretty bad. I'm sure she will still have a great high, mainly sativa.

Our northern lights clones that we took about 2 weeks ago have rooted, and look amazing. I think we are getting better and better at cloning, since every time we do it they look nicer and nicer! We also transplanted a shitload of plants two days ago- we put our older NLs clones into 1 litre pots, and we put some plants that were in the 1 litre pots, into 3 gallon ones.

Please post comments, we know there are a ton of people who view this log and we love hearing from you!

[harris7]

WEll tonight the big Snip snip goes down.

Heres some pics of the plant were goin to chop

[canuck grower]

You lucky bastards! That looks awesomely delicious man. Happy harevesting! :jointsmile:

[Bree1978]

I wait happily for pics and completion of an awsome grow! The lady that is going down looks exquisite! :jointsmile: Bree

[harris7]

Well were very happy with the quality of the bud, unfortunately the Champagne plant grew a lot of very small buds.

Off the two plants that we copped last week I think we got 2.5 oz which is acceptable as they are the smallest plants.
Heres some pics of the buds we got off them and some pics of the nice harvest from last night

[harris7]

What is unfortunate is that we let our plants get too Nitrogen def. so we probably lost some bud weight and density because of that.

We are seeing amzing results with our current flowering plants, buds growin faster and more trichomes.

We will be harvesting the 4th plant tonight, Dutch treat. Pic attached.

[harris7]

What is unfortunate is that we let our plants get too Nitrogen def. so we probably lost some bud weight and density because of that.

We are seeing amzing results with our current flowering plants, buds growin faster and more trichomes.

We will be harvesting the 4th plant tonight, Dutch treat. Pic attached.

[canuck grower]

Yum man I had some champagne recently. I have a small nug of it here, that is good stuff. That looks really nice, I cannot wait to see the bigger ones chopped! Congrats guys. :jointsmile:

[dutch.lover]

Hey, thanks for your comments. So we have harvested 4 plants altogether now, the next girl on the chopping block is The Hog (about 3 weeks away) and then it will be Dutch Treat. We love the dutch treat genetics the best so far- the plants are really bushy, quick growing, nice strong stems, clone great, etc etc. We also have 11 Northern Lights clones freshly rooted, so we are gonna give that strain a try again and hope it goes over better than last time!

Today we just bought a new scale, and I picked myself up a cute mini bong! I always wanted a bubbler, but decided that bongs are sturdier and mine is pretty small so its almost the size of a bubbler anyways, lol. I will post some pics later. Ciao for now!

[Podge_Boro]

i love all of your pictures
you are some lucky motherfuckers
wish i had somewhere to grow

[harris7]

I've decided i love growing.
a difficult question would be whether i love growing more than i love smoking.

or
do i love growing because i love smoking?

this is something to think about

here are some fun pics

[harris7]

and the pics that i thought i loaded.
everone can now see that i am enjoying the new bud

I will post a nice big grow update tonight. AS we new have every possible stage of growing... going here.
its cool, i wish i could have a class or something.

maybe i'll put an ad in the paper

[harris7]

Well hereâ??s a real update,

We just repotted 3 plants into 3 and 5 gallon pots
Since out vegging clones are too big for the t5 and some others need the space we upped them all to the MH room.

And we found a few thrips and sprayed everyone down

We are also over run with plants:
11 Vegging, only 5 flowering and 8 rooted clones in 4x4 pots

Since we have too many were giving some away to a friendâ?¦ a friend on this board can anyone guess who?

So we are considering upping out flowering capacity for at least one big run though b4 we move into a larger place (polly mid summer)

We are thinking about getting another 600W HPS light as they have the best efficiency
And 1000 watts would be too hot for our space.
Any thoughts?

[mafia819]

So far, SO GOOOOODDDD!! :)

[dutch.lover]

i hate f-ing thrips. we still have a few that we spot every now and then, but they don't really do too much damage unless they're eating our baby plants, which has been avoided so far- let's keep our fingers crossed!

[canuck grower]

great pics harris, that bud looks so tasty! word to the players smokes, even though I quit. :)

I think I like growing and smoking and like each one even more because of the other. It's pretty amazing what they do, and fun to make them do what you want and shit. That is something to think about though.

:jointsmile:

[dutch.lover]

I just wanted to update this thread one last time...it's sad, I know.

This thread represented our journey as new growers, which we still are, but are much more experienced now. We have a new log with a focus on our harvests (one ever 10 days), along with some talk about manicuring and techniques, stuff like that. So please drop by, check it out...at least for the mouthwatering bud pics! Yummmm everyone likes those.

See ya around,

Dutchie