My banning

[Great Spirit]

I should definitely not have been banned for what I said. I never mentioned anyone specific. What I said was not upon grounds of banning.

You remind me of the Gestapo Psycho4Bud!! :mad:

[Hamlet]

GS, give it a break. Geez dude, you gotta learn how to relax. Just kick back, shoot the breeze, and enjoy yourself. It's not that important.

[the yeag]

oh great one, just stay the fucked banned, i bet you don't last three weeks this time....adust your tinfoil hat buddy:D

[Psycho4Bud]

I should definitely not have been banned for what I said. I never mentioned anyone specific. What I said was not upon grounds of banning.

You remind me of the Gestapo Psycho4Bud!! :mad:

LOL....welcome back my friend. You know how it is this time dude.......LAST chance. You've been banned more than ANY other member in here without being permanant.

Gestopo?? How soon you forget........I prefer hammer.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Come on GS try to stay this time!

[ronjohn420]

GS, youre still the coolest cat in my book

and dont worry about "the yeag"..... the pope is a fake anyway

oh and by the way.....

IM BACK........

[Bong30]

GS the last over -under was 48 hrs you made the over not by much though.....LOL


Ron, GS you guys want to rumble or what?


start with telling me why we are not hearing of voter fraud?




EG, when Tom Tancredo runs as an Independant In 08 are you going to Vote for him?

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Bong30, my friend. I don't know who's making noise in Colorado if you're only hearing the former cries from the last two presidential elections from Democrats. But here in Texas, Republicans in Dallas County are all screaming about voter fraud because of the Democratic sweep in this election. Democrats took over the Dallas County DA's post as well as lots of other judicial spots, and they're all complaining just as loudly about the lack of a voting paper trail with the electronic machines as the Demos ever did in previous elections because Dallas County has traditionally been a sure-thing Republican victory.

I read an AP story in The Dallas Morning News this morning that the same is true of Republican voters and politicos in response to those two tight Senate races, too. So it's not only the Democrats who are making claims of voter fraud. . . .

[Bong30]

I have not herd of the whining down in Texas.....

You must admit....Republicans dont have the whine reflex on a whole.

when the republican win...voter fraud

when the dems win must have went ok..... (national level of course)

That is Undisputable or debatable......Facts are facts



BG, how ya doin? Is it cold as shit in Tx? it is here in colorado....... I know you guys have a LS 430 lexus.... what do you think of the new one that parks its self? You guys ever look at the S class M-B

[eg420ne]

GS the last over -under was 48 hrs you made the over not by much though.....LOL


Ron, GS you guys want to rumble or what?

cc
start with telling me why we are not hearing of voter fraud?




EG, when Tom Tancredo runs as an Independant In 08 are you going to Vote for him?
Tom has sum good ideas, like our border problem:thumbsup: just hope our nation will be around..........:D

[Bong30]

BG the speech the President gave was 100% class

all the races that were close were just that, close......

the republicans fought and then conceded. Perfect.....

[birdgirl73]

He did give a good speech! I enjoyed hearing what he said and was impressed with how well he did. He's a likeable guy even if I don't agree with him politically. I'd love to just sit down and talk with him and ask him about all sorts of things. I liked how he used the line "took a good thumpin." His speechwriters have gradually learned how to help him speak like himself, which always helps him connect with the country, I think.

I do think the Repubs have been very gracious, largely. No one can ever go wrong with humility. And they've all been around long enough, just like we have, to know the pendulum swings both ways. It'll swing back in time. It always does.

Much love and peace to you, Bongster!

[ronjohn420]

Ron, GS you guys want to rumble or what?
start with telling me why we are not hearing of voter fraud?


well bong i do want to rumble......:dance:

and as far as your quote goes....... let me prove you wrong my friend

(BTW, i have edited the name of "my town" and the local ACLU president for secutity purposes)



The Times-Union editorial (Sunday, Sept. 10) said that the primary elections in --mytown-- "bordered on disaster" and correctly held accountable our Supervisor of Elections, Jerry Holland. The editorial was accurate but incomplete.

I took all the poll worker training offered by our Election Center and became a Precinct Clerk to learn from an inside perspective the process used to run elections in --mytown-- County.

The process used in --mytown-- lacks transparency, lacks accountability, is an administrative nightmare, and perhaps impossible to properly and consistently implement no matter who holds the Supervisor of Election position.

Jerry Holland decries that the 'glitches' during the primaries were human error. True, but the humans we know as our State Legislators and Division of Elections also erred when they mandated electronic voting machines that make it impossible to verify that the votes cast on each ballot went to the correct candidates. Our legislators have prohibited by statute a full manual recount. We still do not have a voter verifiable paper trail for all ballots cast.

This is inexcusable. Our votes should be cast in private and counted and fully recounted, if necessary, with full public scrutiny.

Sadly, it was good news that voter turnout was light because my precinct was understaffed. Furthermore, there was significant end-of-day confusion at the drop zone where poll workers sign custody of the voting machines to the JSO. Precinct Clerks were unsure whether or not they were supposed to seal the machines prior to taking them to the drop zone. Some did, others did not.

At the drop zone, vote tallies were transferred via a modem over an unsecured telephone line to Election Central. It has been demonstrated that the voting machines are capable of being hacked and vote tallies altered. Yet, many elected officials press on that we should use these machines.

We, the people, deserve to know that our votes were counted correctly. That is why the Advisory Committee accepted my proposal to recommend to the Canvassing Board that --mytown-- County do a Post Election Audit with available ballots from randomly selected precincts, similar in scope to the Pre-Election Logic and Accuracy tests, to reconcile candidate tallies against machine tallies. We should all demand a Post Election Audit. The Canvassing Board should insist on it.

Election results must not be a matter of trust. Election results must be clearly and completely demonstrated. Americaâ??s representation depends on it.

--Ren Furley, President
American Civil Liberties Union of Greater -----my town----

[Bong30]

I have not herd of the whining down in Texas.....

You must admit....Republicans dont have the whine reflex on a whole.

when the republican win...voter fraud

when the dems win must have went ok..... (national level of course)

That is Undisputable or debatable......Facts are facts



Im sure you can read natioan level of course.....


you cant even admit im right.......LOL

of course Voting went shitty here inClorado also......

Ron this will be hard......but think...as a whole repulican can take it, and Liberals cant....... Republicans use logic, (as a whole) liberals use Emotion, 9 as a whole) So as a whole.....

.When the republicans Loose it must have been ok......(as a whole)

when democrats loose......there must be voter fraud....intimidation, beating old ladies, and so on.

That is Part of the Hypothesis that... Liberism is a mental Disorder.

One can Concede...one cant.

It comes from the left leaning Media... its not all your fault Ron you are just doing what the talking heads have taught you....talking heads are media, and the liberal teachers you had in school....

[Bong30]

Ron dont ever quote ACLU to me again.... they are one of the biggest problems in america and should be gone.

i respect Prison planet more than the aclu

[Bong30]

well bong i do want to rumble......:dance:

and as far as your quote goes....... let me prove you wrong my friend

(BTW, i have edited the name of "my town" and the local ACLU president for secutity purposes)



The Times-Union editorial (Sunday, Sept. 10) said that the primary elections in --mytown-- "bordered on disaster" and correctly held accountable our Supervisor of Elections, Jerry Holland. The editorial was accurate but incomplete.

I took all the poll worker training offered by our Election Center and became a Precinct Clerk to learn from an inside perspective the process used to run elections in --mytown-- County.

The process used in --mytown-- lacks transparency, lacks accountability, is an administrative nightmare, and perhaps impossible to properly and consistently implement no matter who holds the Supervisor of Election position.

Jerry Holland decries that the 'glitches' during the primaries were human error. True, but the humans we know as our State Legislators and Division of Elections also erred when they mandated electronic voting machines that make it impossible to verify that the votes cast on each ballot went to the correct candidates. Our legislators have prohibited by statute a full manual recount. We still do not have a voter verifiable paper trail for all ballots cast.

This is inexcusable. Our votes should be cast in private and counted and fully recounted, if necessary, with full public scrutiny.

Sadly, it was good news that voter turnout was light because my precinct was understaffed. Furthermore, there was significant end-of-day confusion at the drop zone where poll workers sign custody of the voting machines to the JSO. Precinct Clerks were unsure whether or not they were supposed to seal the machines prior to taking them to the drop zone. Some did, others did not.

At the drop zone, vote tallies were transferred via a modem over an unsecured telephone line to Election Central. It has been demonstrated that the voting machines are capable of being hacked and vote tallies altered. Yet, many elected officials press on that we should use these machines.

We, the people, deserve to know that our votes were counted correctly. That is why the Advisory Committee accepted my proposal to recommend to the Canvassing Board that --mytown-- County do a Post Election Audit with available ballots from randomly selected precincts, similar in scope to the Pre-Election Logic and Accuracy tests, to reconcile candidate tallies against machine tallies. We should all demand a Post Election Audit. The Canvassing Board should insist on it.

Election results must not be a matter of trust. Election results must be clearly and completely demonstrated. Americaâ??s representation depends on it.

--Ren Furley, President
American Civil Liberties Union of Greater -----my town----



Do you think im stupid or you are smart?

Duval County



you have proven nothing about this election.........There is no talk about Voter fraud cause there wasnt any just like last time......We have class and know how to lose and dems dont. Proven.

[dopesmoker]

bong you are hilarious man absolutely hilarious

[Bong30]

bong you are hilarious man absolutely hilarious

I am flexing into the matrix you better watch out......




Thanks

[ronjohn420]

Do you think im stupid or you are smart?

Duval County



you have proven nothing about this election.........There is no talk about Voter fraud cause there wasnt any just like last time......We have class and know how to lose and dems dont. Proven.

goddamn it do we always have to do this bong!!!

and youre not flexing into shit, you looked up the supervisor of elections in google to see what town it was in

and technically im not in duval but that another story

and the point is that those machines could have been hacked and its unstable, if it was ....... we wouldnt know

please believe me bong, im only trying to help you!!!

speaking of the matrix......
you have the choice , the red or blue pill....... and you keep eating the bullshit

let me,GS,pisshead and others open your eyes

BELIEVE US DAMN IT.....LOL

and BTW the aclu is the greastest org. since the black panther party (but thats another thread all together)

hey bong...... "power to the people"

Ron

PS. hows it feel to live within 100 miles of alex jones.... you must hate that shit huh...haha

[dopesmoker]

hahaha the matrix eh. First the incredibles now the matrix....hmmm

[Bong30]

Ron why dont you hear of the ACLU saying shit now?


cause they are commie bitches...



of course i just looked it up........

so once again why waste your time trying to be clever? I am leaving out the name of my town....HAHAHAHAHAHAH funny shit.

did you think you were being that smart or i was that stupid?

[ronjohn420]

haha.. i just cant win can i


for all of you who read the bible (rev. in specific)

it does say that the masses would believe the deception and that they wouldnt believe it even it was told to them

point proven???

[Bong30]

haha.. i just cant win can i


for all of you who read the bible (rev. in specific)

it does say that the masses would believe the deception and that they wouldnt believe it even it was told to them

point proven???

that is what im telling you.......

why are you affraid to think that people want you dead?


Ron they want you dead...... do you want them dead? of course not your a good little bleeding hart, god fearing, liberal....

there not, Convert or Die. that is what is coming for our kids...not today.

im talking about our future.........it is hard to think like that when you are a kid

[ronjohn420]

that is what im telling you.......

why are you affraid to think that people want you dead?


Ron they want you dead...... do you want them dead? of course not your a good little bleeding hart, god fearing, liberal....

there not, Convert or Die. that is what is coming for our kids...not today.

im talking about our future.........it is hard to think like that when you are a kid

no bong that is where you are wrong....i have no problem in backing for a cause and dying for that cause as well.....

and if time proves you right and im wrong we will stand on that battleground together and die for our freedom....

but what im saying is that the "current war" is a lie, its deception to get us all to back the counrty in a war....

they (government/ bush/ chency/ esp. donald rumsfeld) have wanted this war for a while, but they needed a reason to get us behind it and support it, thats where the blame game comes into play.....thats where 9/11 came in, and it worked

but as you well know... the bin laden family is from saudi arabia and 5yrs later, we have never invaded them... first it was afganistan then iraq, and soon you will see iran..... they have nothing to do with 9/11.....

did al-queda (sp?) do it...... yes
are they a foriegn enemy?? NO
was the Al-Queda and the training camps funded by US money...? YES

ill explain in my next post

reply???

[ronjohn420]

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

There was a lot of indirect contact with funding, arming, and training provided by the U.S. Government/C.I.A. through the Pakistani ISI. Congressman Charlie Wilson (R) handled/assured funding and was even able to swing deals garnering Israeli support (of all people/places!) for the Mujahideen. C.I.A. opperative Gust Avrakotos handled much of the footwork, including various weapons deals, as well.

"the CIA, as an organisation...", to that I would say the C.I.A. "as an organization" is at heart a "clandestine organization" who considers its most successful missions the ones in which they take (or are given) no credit.

You may also want to check out the name and/or official doccuments relating to Tim Osman.

Or, if your point was "in the 1980s, you'd see that the CIA, as an organisation, had little to no direct or even indirect contact with either Osama bin Laden or the group, Al Qaeda", their contact with bin Laden was officially documented in the mid 80's but "Al Qaeda" did not exist (by that name/form) till the mid to late 90's when we needed a "official name" for the group in order to attempt to hunt/prosecute them under existing anti-organized crime laws. We created/chose the name "Al Qaeda" (in reference to the database of Mujahideen fighters) for that purpose; it wasn't a name that bin Laden created (or even used) to signify himself or his followers then.

[Bong30]

what you dont see is that WE dont know shit.....


what im say stratigicly we needed Iraq and Afganistan.. to fight the head of the snake.....IRAN did you look at a map.

If you were going to fight Iran where would you want to be?

why fight Iran you ask.

Cause they want Isreal gone....Nuked off the earth. We will not have that.


you are looking at the small picture....Im looking 50 years in the future.

[Bong30]

In the 80s al quida didnt exsist cause Iraq hadnt overran Kuwait.......

When Us Infidels, went to saudia arabia, it pissed OBL off.... you dont even see the big picture again.


So yes there wasn al quida till the 90s post desert storm

[ronjohn420]

In the 80s al quida didnt exsist cause Iraq hadnt overran Kuwait.......

When Us Infidels, went to saudia arabia, it pissed OBL off.... you dont even see the big picture again.


So yes there wasn al quida till the 90s post desert storm

you bong are a intelligent person but youre just putting your smarts in the wrong place, see #1 is that iran wanting isreal gone doesnt having busniess with us and we need to get out of it, and the bigger pic is this

bush = oil tycoon
iran, iraq, and saudi arabia = 70% of worlds oil supply
70% of oil supply means big economical pull
which means POWER AND CONTROL

bong.... its just the truth
we are invading foreign soil, thats why they want to kill us

if they had hummers driving down your streets and killing our civillians, we would want to kill all of them also....

its just the facts....

oh speaking of facts


According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).

John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American â??black Muslimsâ?� were taught â??sabotage skillsâ?�.

The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained â??bin Laden's operativesâ?� in 1989.

These â??operativesâ?� were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.

The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called â??Operation Cycloneâ?�.

In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services â?? MAK).

MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.

Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.

The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was â??partly culpableâ?� for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.

[ronjohn420]

"In 1979, Bush�s first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Laden�s, in Arbusto.


"The Arbusto deal wasn�t the last time Bush looked to highly questionable sources to invest in his oil dealings. After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz.

"Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had �no idea� BCCI was involved in Harken�s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: �The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken�all since George W. Bush came on board�raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.� Or even the president: Bath finally came under investigation by the FBI in 1992 for his Saudi business relationships, accused of funneling Saudi money through Houston in order to influence the foreign policies of the Reagan and first Bush administrations.

You have a key relationship between the Saudis and the former President of the US who happens to be the father of the current President of the US. And you have all sorts of questions about where does policy begin and where does good business and good profits for the company, Carlyle, end?


C'MON BONG

THE BULLSHIT CAN KEEP GETTING DEEPER????

BUSH IS CLEARLY A DISHONEST GUY, HOW CAN YOU AGREE WITH THIS MAN

[Bong30]

you bong are a intelligent person but youre just putting your smarts in the wrong place, see #1 is that iran wanting isreal gone doesnt having busniess with us and we need to get out of it, and the bigger pic is this

bush = oil tycoon
iran, iraq, and saudi arabia = 70% of worlds oil supply
70% of oil supply means big economical pull
which means POWER AND CONTROL

bong.... its just the truth
we are invading foreign soil, thats why they want to kill us

if they had hummers driving down your streets and killing our civillians, we would want to kill all of them also....

its just the facts....

oh speaking of facts


According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).

John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American â??black Muslimsâ?� were taught â??sabotage skillsâ?�.

The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained â??bin Laden's operativesâ?� in 1989.

These â??operativesâ?� were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.

The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called â??Operation Cycloneâ?�.

In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services â?? MAK).

MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.

Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.

The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was â??partly culpableâ?� for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.


Cant you see that even if we were in BED with some of those guys. They can turn ON US. cant you see that. Remember that pic of Rummy and Sadam?

Iraq was on our side once against IRAN. People change. Like when Saddam overran Kuwait...... we are like OK nut job...hes out.

They went Radical On us........ We are Infidels..... They are taking over France and Londonistan right now......cant you see it.


Why dont we just Take over the whole Area? and just pump the oil into USA tankers? It is about the oil, but not all about the oil.

Or create a democracy to trade with, that is a stable trading partner, Not some crazy nut jobs taking hostages, and such.


It is our Responsability as christians to stand next to the jewish people like they are Our selves. You are wrong on that one Ron. You are a smart guy to. You just need a decade or 2 to come around. you will though.

[ronjohn420]

a decade or 2......haha

i did get a laugh out of that one....

and youre right we dont know everything and never will and maybe your right about iran and all but....... (in certian parts)

but my whole thing about politics is in US government
IT IS CORRUPT, THERE IS A EVIL AGENDA AT THE TOP
IT IS A MIND WAR

look at project darpa, look at the mind control tests in the 60's
and i promise those at the top do not have our best intrests in their hands

it is complex, but they (our current government wants us dead)
the chips (that are congressionally documented) are for mind control

it is about control, the US gov. fighting to be the dominent super power

[Ozarks]

You remind me of the Gestapo Psycho4Bud!! :mad:

If you knew anything about the gestapo, you would know that they put the mentally ill in camps and killed them. Unlike what P4B did to you, not that historical reality (or any other reality for that matter) has anything to do with any of your posts.

Just something to think about next time you infer that someone is a (gestapo) nazi.