Hey Guys... New To the Forum, Would Love a little Help!

[razzapiggy]

Starting my first grow indoors shortly. I am doing a 2000 watt grow, in a 9X11.5 room. The 9X11.5 does not include the closet which will be used as a mother. I have a few quick questions.
a.) How much space should I assume each plant will take up when full grown? I have read 1 sqaure foot, as we right on that one? That would be 20 square feet per 1000 watt lamp, for a total of forty plants... correct?

b.) I purchased some mylar-like material and I am going to hang it tonight. It is black on one side, and white on the other. I am assuming the white just faces towards the room, and you attach it to the wall?

c.) I have been instructed by a few friends, and unfortunately their opinions on this matter differ. One says I want to section off two seperate gardens for each night (obviously in the same room but have a walk way in the middle) and then plan to have my garden extend to the walls. He says this will make for better use of the mylar-like material and will gain me some lumens. The other friend says he would rather have a bit of a cramped garden, but have 6-8 inches on the side to walk around each garden under their respective lamps. What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance!:rasta: :rasta: :pimp: :D

[razzapiggy]

P.S I am using Sunshine #4 and plan to veg under one lamp for two weeks, and then set up the other lamp and spread the plants out into 2-3 gallon pots. I will then flip them over to 12.12

[razzapiggy]

Put the mylar up, ready to hang lamps and get going here folks. Boy do I miss the days of overgrow when you would post a quesiton and have several opinions within minutes... not any replies to my post yet ! :mad:

[BOYZNUS]

THE ANSWERS HERE ARE THE SAME AS YOU GOT FROM OG.

GOOD LUCK

[razzapiggy]

Okay, thanks if that's the best answer you have :D

[faithless]

Starting my first grow indoors shortly. I am doing a 2000 watt grow, in a 9X11.5 room. The 9X11.5 does not include the closet which will be used as a mother. I have a few quick questions.
a.) How much space should I assume each plant will take up when full grown? I have read 1 sqaure foot, as we right on that one? That would be 20 square feet per 1000 watt lamp, for a total of forty plants... correct?

Never done it, though the math should be easy. Unfortunately, I'm too stoned to go check up on it. Spontaneously, I think 40 perhaps sounds a little on the large side. There are threads on it somewhere.


b.) I purchased some mylar-like material and I am going to hang it tonight. It is black on one side, and white on the other. I am assuming the white just faces towards the room, and you attach it to the wall?

Yes.


c.) I have been instructed by a few friends, and unfortunately their opinions on this matter differ. One says I want to section off two seperate gardens for each night (obviously in the same room but have a walk way in the middle) and then plan to have my garden extend to the walls. He says this will make for better use of the mylar-like material and will gain me some lumens. The other friend says he would rather have a bit of a cramped garden, but have 6-8 inches on the side to walk around each garden under their respective lamps. What do you guys think?

Thanks in advance!:rasta: :rasta: :pimp: :D

The reflective argument is understandable, but on the other hand, you'll need to section off at least half for flowering, unless you plan to only grow once.
Flowering takes more space, since the plants are at their largest during that phase, at which point you should be in the ballpark of 2 gallon pots, which is around a square foot I guess.

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[bejay]

assuming you are using clones 1 plant per sq ft is probably sufficient with a 2 week veg and many sog are often done with as many as 4 just rooted clones per sq ft with no veg time.
as per your setup of placing it near the walls to maximize light reflection it is a valid point but it can also be a hassle growing in soil in pots that you have to water and feed at regular intervals and would be better suited for a hydro system seeing how you probably dont have room for good access to all sides as dont think 6 inches would be of much benefit would probably try to have access to atleast 2 sides.

[razzapiggy]

Thanks for all the help gang! I am growing hydro, but watering manually. As for a seperate area for flowering, well I am obviously planning to grow more than once, but the plan as of now is to veg 'em for two weeks under one 1000 watt lamp, and then by that time the other lamp will be up, and I can transplant into 2-3 gallon pots. Very exciting time, as the room is nearly set up. Looking into buying a carbon filter tomorrow (boy is this operation killing my wallet) From there, it's off to the Cannabis Club to get clones. I have been told all I need to do is place the rooted clones into the sunshine #4 and lightly compact it, and most should be fine. How come I am reading threads with all sorts of cloning hormones etc? Should I be fine just placing them into the starter pots and watching them pretty carefully? I believe all the cloens that the cannabis clubs sell here are completely rooted, so perhaps I am a step ahead of most people who try to clone! Thanks agian!

[faithless]

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You're reading about hormones where people are actually cutting and making their own clones. You're getting just-add-water clones, already rooted for you.

Even so, they're very fragile and do not like rich soil, nutes or strong light the first days-week.
So, soil weak on nutes, no other nutes and a yard away from any high power lights.

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[BuddyLove]

ok bud you only need rootin hormone when your cuttin a sidebranch off a plant
if your lucky enough to be able to bye rooted clones all you need is a pot and suitable growin medium

[santacruz_organic]

i have 9' x 7' and i can barely, i mean barely, fit 17. but if you were to do a sog grow you could have 40 easily.

[BuddyLove]

a 1000w hps can cover 6'x6' grow space
and you can get upto 80 plants sog under a 1000w
but personaly id like to let em get a bit bigger 20/1000w sounds good
40 2oz plants= :rasta:

[BlueBear]

A 1000w is appropriate for a 4x4 space. Rule of thumb is 50w per SQF and that is the low recommendation. You should definitely think about sectioning off the room to fit these demintions, or only keep the plants under this kind of ft print for maximum benefit.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

A bit confused here. Sea of Green is the natural way to grow em? I don't plan to use chicken wire or anything like that, I think that method is SCROG. In reguards to sectioning off the room, why? The two thousand watt lamps will take up pretty much the entire room. I could see putting up a wall like structure to keep the light inside the area. Is that what you are talking about?

With reguards to the soil. I am using SunShine #4 which contains no nutes, do you guys reccomend I don't put any nutes in the water when giving my new babies their first watering? How long should I wait? I will keep the 1000 watt lamp a yard away as instructed... any other opinions?

[razzapiggy]

P.S Santa Cruz! I live somewhere in that area, don't want to give out specifics for obvious reasons.. maybe we should chat sometime soon though SantaCruzOrganics? Send me an instant message if that can be done on this website.

[razzapiggy]

A 5 X 4 area is 20 square feet, so that would be the 50 watts per SQ foot. I am guessing I won't end up using the entire 5X4 area because some clones won't make it...

[BlueBear]

If your growing from clones and they are rooted, you will want to have those lights about 2 ft at first then if heat isn't an issue then you want to get the lights with in 1 FT from the top of the plants. at a yard away your lumens on a 1K drop down below half and you might as well be using a 400w.
Sunshine is good, I would think about adding some superthrive in the water and after the first week slowly start them up on some nutes, if your going to veg for a short period of time I would hit them with some veg nutes up until the 7'th day of flower and then start your flower nutes. This way they will have enough Nitrogen in the fan leaves to take it all the way threw flower with out starting too much necrosis in the first 2 weeks of flower IMO. Maybe the place you get them from can give you a basic idea of what they have been giving to them or what they recomend as well.
If you just keep the lights under the FT print of the light you really don't have to block off anything.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Hey Blue
Appreciate the help once again friend, you are great. I am using SuperNatural nutes for vegetative growth. Unsure of what I will use for flowering as of yet. We just bought some flooring for the room so we don't completely destroy the carpets, and are also making our very own filter (thanks FAQ!) I will keep you guys updated, and upload some pictures prior to any babies going in the ground. Maybe I will even keep a grow journal as long as people are interested to see the outcome...

Thanks and hope everyone is doing well this fine evening. :D

[faithless]

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A sea of green is going to be a helluva lot of backbreaking work with 40 plants.

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[razzapiggy]

Sea of Green = Just letting them grow naturally right. I thought the chicken wire (SCROG) method was for height limitations. I have a friend who does 4000 watts with Sea of Green, so I am guessing I can handle 2000. Perhaps putting them on a table about one and a half feet tall would make the work easier.. what ya think?

[BlueBear]

Fokes grow out a hundred at a time with SOG, just depends on weather or not you get tired of the making water, feeding, flushing and monitering for problems. And yes, in SOG a screen is not involved.
Adieu

[BlueBear]

Also, let me explaine this to you since no one has commented on it. With SOG you are putting 2 to 4 plants per SQF so under a 5x4 area you could put 40 to 80 plants. With a week veg you may only turn out about 10 grams per plant, maybe a little more. IMO if you only want to grow out 40 and use 2K in lights I would veg them for approx 3 weeks once rooted for best yield or you may only get about 400 grams which is fine, but you should be able to do that with 1000W, and in that case you are kind of waisting a whole 1000W.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Blue... thank you. Welp, my original plan was buy forty clones, and keep the best thirty most likely. I was then planning to Veg for about two weeks, and then force flower. Do you think two weeks is enough? I got some starter pots, and I wanted to have them in those for a few weeks, and then be able to transplant them directly into the 2-3 gallon pots. I was guessing two weeks would be enough because they will double in size while flowering. You say 2-4 plants per square foot, but most of what I have read says the plants need a full square foot on their own once full grown, is that vegging for the approx. three weeks that you said? I have no problem vegging for three weeks instead of two, but I might need to look into some bigger pots if that's the case. I am also hopeful all the vegging can be done under one lamp as to save money. Also made the home made filter last night, it works very well but is a bit loud. We are looking into different types of fans at this point. This one is 70cfm, and it makes a ton of noise. Any reccomendations?

[BlueBear]

I am not sure what you are reading, but in SOG, like I said 2 to 4 plants per SQF, if you veg for1 to 2 weeks you would see why, you would have these small plants in a big 3 gallon pot and wonder why you didn't put more plants under that light. Also, a larger plant can take up at least 2 SQF easily. You could veg 30 to 40 out for 3 weeks under 1 lamp. The Tricky part is getting pots that fit the FT print under your lamp, but since in veg they will do all right with lower lumen contact you could probably shove about30 to 40 under a 1K light and use 2 liter or half gallon pots if you can find some.
Also, that 70 CFM fan won't do squat to clear the smell and cycle the air in your room. On 2 1000W's you will need a fan that is 500CFM or more. I am not sure if you have ever been in a room with a 1K light, but you are going to have allot of heat coming from the lights, I mean a very significant amount and you will most likely need air cooled hoods which means hoods that have a glass covering the bottom of the hood with a dryer vent attached to the top or side of the hood pulling out the heat from your light with your fans and blowing it into another room or you will need cool tubes which you can read about in the FAQ or you will need a AC unit that is dedicated to that room, or have all of the AC vents in the house shut so that the grow room is the only room receiving the AC. I am not sure if you bargained for all of this, but you want to figure out as much as you can before you start the ball rolling.
I think a 3 week veg time will be good enough for you to get an idea of how these strains will do with more or less veg time. The first grow is more of a learning experience than anything most of the time weather you want it to be or not, you can only guess so much before the grow and people can only tell you so much, but when it comes down to it, it will all depend on your willingness to work with your plants, provide a stress free growing environment and the willingness to really become a grower because if you are just seeing dollar signs you will become very discouraged when you find out that this can take allot of work, more work than many normal 9 to 5's where you can cruze the net, gossip with co workers and slack off and still get a check. There is no slacking here if you want to do it right and your plants don't like being put off, they need certain things and if they don't get it, you don't get their fruits.
Adieu

[chicago_white_guy]

absolutely killer bluebear! one quickie though... i thought your roots always grew? if you want bigger plants, use a little root hormone occassionally when you feed the plants and feed them from the bottom up. i might just be confused, but it does make sense

[faithless]

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I thought you meant to be LSTing your SOG. Bit stoned and wasn't thinking too clearly anyway.

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[razzapiggy]

Once again, great post - loving all the help.

To begin, I was told the hood I bought was air cooled, however it does not have glass on it... not sure what this means. The 70CFM fan is going to be used in conjunction with other fans, and I was told I could most likely get through the winer without too many heat problems running 2000 watts - it sounds to me like you do not agree with that statement. I live in Northern California, cold nights, rainy days that are generally pretty cold as well. My ventilation is going into the attic, and I am pulling cold air from the heat/ac vent in the floor of the room. I was under the impression the ventilation, coupled with a few different fans would keep the temps down enough... again, it sounds to me like you are reccomending a cool tube or something like that? The pots I currently have are 100sq MM tall, I believe I need to get larger ones. Thanks for the help, really appreciate it.

[BlueBear]

Well, if the people who you are talking to have experience with your climate, and growing in it under similar conditions then they may have a better chance to help guide you, I don't know them, for all I know they may have twice the knowledge as me. If you are venting the hot air into the attic then that will be a big help right off of the top, you just need a decent fan to do it with. The AC and the cooler temps are both a plus.
Let us know how it works out, and yes a cool tube should be considered as a back up option.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Thanks, Blue. You are a humble guy! :rasta: Yeah the friend who is guiding me a little bit has grown in this climate for years, and he said he thought the temps will be fine, he even mentioned I might not even need to pull cold air from outside during the winter, especially if the door to the room can stay open a fair amount (which it can) I am going to chat with him a bit later before I make a final choice. I however am taking your reccomendation to get bigger pots so I can veg for longer. I agree three weeks would be ideal. Thanks and hope you have a good and stoney day! :D

[BlueBear]

Not a problem bro, keep us posted, I always like learning from others and so on.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Set up the lights today, boy is it a bitch to find studs! At least things are moving along. I am very suprised by the amount of noise created by the ballast, you can hear a slight hum from outside the room, and I am a bit concerned about that. Right now its just sitting on the floor, I wouldn't imagine you can do much besides possibly mount it on a wall, which might actually create more noise. What do you guys do to combat this if anything

[razzapiggy]

Tricky situation here. I need about forty clones, and they will be arriving sometime this week. Thursday at the absolute latest. I just received five soul diesel clones from a friend of a friend. Few questions:

a.) I don't have any flouros...was planning to do the first vegging under one 1000 watt lamp. Is it worth turning the lamp on now or will that throw timing off later when i get the other clones? I don't want to lose these ladies, the bud is great... what is my best plan here?

b.) The clones are in soil, inside of plastic solo cups. Can I throw them under the 1000 watt? I am using Sunshine #4 - not soil. Can these be put into Sun Shine at a later date (maybe in four to five days when I receive other clones)...or should it be done now?

Any help is much appreciated.

[razzapiggy]

Talked with a buddy, he said just turn on the lamp and get the other ones when possible. No point in letting these puppies go. With reguards to the soil/hydro medium... should I just transplant in about a week or so into the SunShine#4? Any help is appreciated.

[BlueBear]

Well, I am not sure if you should transfer right now, It will probably stress them out a little and as a new grower you don't really want to deal with that. Me, I would probably wait about 2 weeks or so, untill they are fully rooted. What size cups are they in? If they have plastic bags over them they are most likely not rooted yet. Keep the 1000W about a yard away for now. With leaving them in the soil right now and then transfering them into Sunshine mix, they will retain the soil root ball and will take a different feeding schedual than the rest that are in sunshine, not way different, but you want to keep it in mind. They will not need to be fed as often as the soilless mix. And no, they won't be to far off of the clones you get on Thur, if anything they will be a little behind if they are not rooted yet.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Blue
Nope, they appear rooted. They are in red plastic solo cups, just in the soil and doing fine. I have the lamp about three feet away, and plan to leave it that way for a few days and take it down a bit... don't want to stress my first babies! I agree to keep it in mind when these ladies are the only ones that have lived in soil - I will be posting pictures soon and updating this thread frequently. Please refer back for progress, and it sure is good to have someone help you out. Thanks Blue! :rasta:

[razzapiggy]

Hey Guys...
So I got four Soul Diesel clones, and I had no other options besides throwing them under the 1000Watt HID lamp. The light is three feet from the plants, and while I don't have my digital therm. working (it will be later today) the temps in there aren't all that high at all. A few look real good, but these two are showing signs of a bit of wilting. Will they recover? I had the lamp about 3/4 of a foot closer than it is now, did I burn em a bit?

Thanks!

[razzapiggy]

bump, bump it up!

[faithless]

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If those brown patches are new, you sure did.

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[razzapiggy]

They were a tad distorted when I received them. My friend was not terribly into giving out his strain so naturally I got the runts. The light is three feet above now, if they are burnt a little bit do they generally recover? Two look real good two look so so. Going to be getting about thirty more in there before weeks end... this is very exciting! I'm such a NEWB!

[brookerosebud]

bear.

i love you.

:)

love, brooke:p

[faithless]

if they are burnt a little bit do they generally recover
Yes, if you let them.
In fact, check out my own link to see what happened to my burnt plants:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=88762

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[razzapiggy]

Looks like yours turned out okay! Sweet. The brown-age hasn't gone away, but I have to give it time. It looks like the other clones are going to be coming in batches of two. The first batch will be coming Thursday, and the following batch about a week and a half or so later. Is this going to mess up my heights and such? Also, one batch is coming from a friend, I am using SunShine#4... he uses soil I believe. Should I transplant them immediately into SunShine#4? I figured I should most likely wait a little while and let them get used to the great big sun in the sky (1000 watter) Any help is appreciated.

[razzapiggy]

Also wanted to add, I have the 1000 watt lamp three feet from the clones I have. They don't appear to be growing that quickly at all. I have seen this process done before, but I don't really know how much they should grow per week? I guess I just got them Saturday so I should just be patient.

[razzapiggy]

Getting thirty-five more clones tomorrow, and then my project will be officially set up and pumping out. The clones I am getting tomorrow (as well as the ones I already have) are in soil. I was planning on growing in Sunshine#4. When could these babies be transplanted into the Sunshine? I am guessing the nutes schedule will have to be altered because the plant will actually be surrounded by nutriented (is that a word?) soil when put into the sunshine. Or should I try to shake most of the soil off when transplanting? What ya guys think? All opinions welcome.

[BlueBear]

I don't have too much time to chat, but don't try to shake the soil off of rooted clones, roots are like our nerves and our blood vessels and they are very delicate and when damaged or shocked they can kill or stress the plant out so much that it can affect the rest of it's ability to produce as well as it could of other wise. Just try to keep it simple IMO and don't try to get to creative IMO if this is your first go round. At this point you don't even know if there are any unseen problems around the corner with other parts of the grow and the last thing you want is to make this transplant thing a problem and find out there are other things to worry about, keep the simple things simple.
Don't mean to preach, but the first time isn't always the best time and a nice easy trot helps one get use to the terrain and so on.
Just my two cents.
Adieu

[razzapiggy]

Yeah, I understand what you mean. I am just unsure of what to do... leave the clones in soil and change the plan to a soil grow (isn't really a big deal) or just wait until they are about to be flowered, switch em to Sunshine and add nutes accordingly. I wouldn't mind doing soil on the first one, but I have been told the sunshine usually yields a bigger crop... I will keep you posted Blue..thanks for the help and please stop back by, I will put photos up by the end of the weekend!

[razzapiggy]

Clones got taken up by somebody who apparently needed em worse! =) Getting some Tues (only about 10) and then the remaining 20-25 a week and a half from now...

By the time the batch of 20 comes, I will have already had five clones going for about two and a half weeks, and the other batch for a week. Are all my plants going to be different sizes or will they catch up with one another? I guess if the clones that are being given to me a week and a half from now are being "baby-sat" by the owner for a little while, they are getting light as well, and shouldn't be too big of a difference..thoughts?