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Euphoric

11-09-2006, 07:16 AM

next 4/20

everybody should get a bunch of weed leaf stickers

and just stick them everywhere around their town.

if everybody in each major city did this we would at least get some attention, which is a good place to start. im in if your in :cool:

CrazyJ

11-09-2006, 10:08 AM

Maybe somthing like that.... or make fliers saying legalize it with a pic of a pot leaf :thumbsup:

Pezzo

11-09-2006, 12:56 PM

ive sent a few letters to my local mp about it he said drug policy or summthin needs to be basically looked at and changed i forget what he actualy said any more ideas would be gd

shaunyboy666

11-16-2006, 10:52 PM

ive sent a few letters to my local mp about it he said drug policy or summthin needs to be basically looked at and changed i forget what he actualy said any more ideas would be gdnot even the user

Pezzo

11-16-2006, 11:10 PM

not even the user

wat? didnt understand that sorry

KiEfBoyjBm

11-17-2006, 08:21 AM

I don't like that idea...sorry

better idea: start saving ALL of you seeds and spread/plant them on 420. Give it a couple months and we will have overgrown the earth.

Pezzo

11-17-2006, 05:16 PM

kl sounds gd

DylanN89

11-18-2006, 05:42 AM

afghooey

11-19-2006, 07:37 AM

No offense, but I don't think sticking pot leaf stickers everywhere is going to change anyone's opinion on pot. If anything they'll just start associating weed users with vandalism.

Try spreading around some good information, that's the best place to start, IMO. :)

the image reaper

11-19-2006, 09:34 PM

how about a march.... peacefull assembley of people smokers/non-smokers supporting the legalization for adults.... hundreads of thousands of people would probally havta be there tho.... but it would be amazing..

well-organized and regulated marches are the best way to get a message out ... REMEMBER, though - what the voters see on the news is how they will vote ... a wild, partying, crazy-looking bunch of stoners will guarantee defeat, what will win marijuana reform will be the day you see the 'suits' and working people marching together ... a little insight into political influence: political people know 'hippies, derelicts, drunks, stoners, partyers, troublemakers, and all-around dirtbags' don't VOTE, so who cares what they're protesting about ?? ... but, when they see and hear from obvious VOTERS, things start to happen ... just my :twocents: and, yeah, the stickers are littering, possibly vandalism ... :smokin:

Myth1184

11-20-2006, 02:55 AM

yal enjoy toking up on Hitlers Birthday...420 comes from the time hippies would start toking up (4:20 pm) to be high by the time the grateful dead would come out to play

KiEfBoyjBm

11-24-2006, 06:24 AM

^^
And what time did the Grateful Dead come out and play? They had to be back by dinner right? lol

According to High Times, 4:20 was the time that a couple kids that went to San Rafael High School in California would blaze, they used it as a code and as a meeting time. It caught on and ever since people have been making up their own 420 BS.

Happy Tokin'

Frivolous248

11-25-2006, 03:31 AM

well-organized and regulated marches are the best way to get a message out ... REMEMBER, though - what the voters see on the news is how they will vote ... a wild, partying, crazy-looking bunch of stoners will guarantee defeat, what will win marijuana reform will be the day you see the 'suits' and working people marching together ... a little insight into political influence: political people know 'hippies, derelicts, drunks, stoners, partyers, troublemakers, and all-around dirtbags' don't VOTE, so who cares what they're protesting about ?? ... but, when they see and hear from obvious VOTERS, things start to happen ... just my :twocents: and, yeah, the stickers are littering, possibly vandalism ... :smokin:

I like that idea.

Have a ton of people, SUITS ONLY, gather and march or something. Maybe a Marijuana Awareness Walk. Like the AIDS walk or whatever it was for, promoting awareness.

People can walk through town in a suit and a badge with a leaf that says "Legalize it" on it, and people can hand out flyers with like 10 facts about it that promote legalization.

However, sticking stickers all over town would be a waste and not very effective at all.

freewheelinfrank

11-25-2006, 08:25 PM

I like that idea.

Have a ton of people, SUITS ONLY, gather and march or something. Maybe a Marijuana Awareness Walk. Like the AIDS walk or whatever it was for, promoting awareness.

People can walk through town in a suit and a badge with a leaf that says "Legalize it" on it, and people can hand out flyers with like 10 facts about it that promote legalization.

However, sticking stickers all over town would be a waste and not very effective at all.

excellent idea :thumbsup:

demonangel2_uk

11-28-2006, 01:58 AM

I also think legalize cannabis marches are the way to go but instead of one march in a one place there should be marches happening nationwide all at the same time and day. On a regular basses. This would solve many problems with people who want to suport the cause but have no way of getting the the places were these events are being held. Once a month nation wide i think would rase some attention. What you guys all think???

demonangel :rasta:

KiEfBoyjBm

11-28-2006, 09:21 AM

Don't yall remember how gay all those Mexican protests were last year. Just as the pundits recommended they go back to Mexico, they will tell us to go back to the 70's or Amsterdam.

The revolution will come...but in a court room or through massive amounts of lobbying. It will be tough.

Pezzo

11-28-2006, 01:16 PM

demonangel2_uk

11-28-2006, 03:51 PM

Yeah every month all over. Would create loads of atention and also get someone on the Prime Minister Question time. LOL. Ask him in person how he can allow more dangerouse things like alchol, tobaco cafine ect to be legal and not cannabis which is totally safe.
Come on Tony Blaire Wake up and smell the green.:bonghit:

demonangel :rasta:

Buffs2007

11-29-2006, 12:35 AM

Sorry if this seems likes a stupid suggestion, but it seems obvious to me that the only way cannabis smokers are going to make a difference is if they just go all out and smoke. Organize a day when everybody goes out and smokes in public at the same time. They can't throw all of us in jail. This method will bring the most attention to our cause, and almost certainly pressure congress to start passing different legislation.

muffinman

11-29-2006, 03:17 AM

So far what i'm reading are excellent ideas. i would recommend that we use this message board to put these ideas together and learn from each other. i am amaze that you guys were able to filter out the bad ideas such as the posting of the leafs stickers everywhere. that idea would lead to a huge defeat.

the idea with the suits and the march is amazing, add that plus the idea of every state nation wide marching at the same time for the same reason in suits. plus the fact sheets being handed out. also papers on the reason why it was made illegal. this must not just be a march just to show the world how large we are, it should be a march to open the eyes of those pot smokers who are afraid to march with us. We should let others know that you don't have to be a pot smoker to join the march. we need to put ideas out there such as, how tobacco kills but yet its legal and it has no medical benefit, and how marijuana don't but yet its illegal. this march and the planing of this march must not just be for 4/20 it should also be for new years, election day, labor day. if we want marijuana to be legal we must understand that it wont be easy. this will take a lot of work. we need to unite as marijuana users and fight for our freedom. we must unite as one. the time is now to start planing.

if your gonna post anything that have to do with marijuana, such as pot leafs or to say "legalize it", try adding facts along side it. the problem i notice is that the majority of people some even pot user don't even know the facts, they know so little of this plant that create America, this plant that help the human race to be where they are right now. post the facts,work hard at it, and one day our dream will no longer be a dream, would no longer be a small statement of "what if". We can do it, just don't give up. we need to bring our ideas together and thats the only way we will win.

sincerely: the Muffinman

P>S> check out google video "Magic weed" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8410436555236949417&q=magic+weed

mfqr

11-29-2006, 09:27 AM

Pezzo

11-29-2006, 01:26 PM

^^^ u herd him lets get plannin, that video i watched and it was all about hemp, gd video but we smoke it lol

demonangel2_uk

11-29-2006, 11:46 PM

I am very interested in this as is every pot smoker around the world i would think. We could even try and organise a world wide event. I know this is a big thing to acomplish but if we dont try we will never get any were. I agree we need to pull together. But instead of just talking about it we need to do something about it. Any one have any political contacts? You could help organise these events Legally. I am not exactly good at organiseing anything but i would pledge my full suport & time to the cause. Any one fancy creating a written pettition? we could post online or send to everyones email were they could all print it out and start collectin as meny signitures as possible in there aria and mayby there friends could do the same. Emagine Every town, City in the uk has MPs that repersent them emagine everywere these pettitions started being presented to the MPs? Along with events & marches arround the country The goverment would have to make a responce of some kind. Everon add your ideas and just mayby someone has the knoledge and qualifactions to make all this happen. Keep the ideas coming.

PS. Sorry for all my spelling mistakes i have always been crap at spelling.:mad:

demonangel :rasta:

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 12:08 AM

^^^ Uve said it man! Start the pettition now, organise marches now.

http://www.writetothem.com contact ur local mp (UK)
Ive written to mine and got a reply

demonangel2_uk

11-30-2006, 12:13 AM

What was the reply. Good or Bad?????

demonangel :rasta:

PS. Wrighting to them is all good and well but wt again i stress. Its no point just one wrighting to them we need many thousands if not hundreds of thousands all to do the same. Before they will do anything.

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 12:16 AM

me? gd m8, reli gd, got any contact info? email or we, msn?

I reli liked the idea, the pettition n all ive bin tryin to do that sorta thing 4 ages

demonangel2_uk

11-30-2006, 12:29 AM

I dont usually use any type of messenger progs as my fingers hurt a lot when typing to much or to fast. If anyone here wants to contact me with ideas n stuff. Especially someone interested in getting this all started. Here is one of my many email addresses : [email protected]

I check this once every day and it is one of my main email. Got to go now my fingers are herting. Whish i had some green. Sob Sob. Cant get no Â£Â£Â£Â£ for another week yet either. Mayby my m8 will tick me on a quater tommorow as he ows me a few favourse. lol.

demonangel2_uk :rasta:

muffinman

11-30-2006, 09:41 AM

Hi everyone, i'm back and lately i have been thinking, "why are people afraid to stand up and fight for the freedom of this plant", well my answer came across me when i notice that, the ones who don't want it to be free from its shackles will tell lies and deceive others into thinking that this plant is of bad nature.
my new goal its to fight back in the right way. this new fight will use knowledge to win this battle. we may march we may gather, but they would only look at us as lab rats. so as i see it, we will march we will gather and we will teach, we will make sure everyone knows the truth, we just wont tell it to them, we will show it to them from the facts, to the footage, we will make sure our voice is heard. for many people are being prayed on for no reason. too many are in jail for no reason, to many are loosing their love ones because of this fake image known as the war on drugs with cannabis as the main target, with cannabis as the ring leader, with cannabis as the instigator. i say no more of this, the time is now.
for those of you who think it might be a waste of your time or you just don't want to get into it because of the troubles it may bring, i understand you, i know what you feel. i will never look at you guys differently, but you have to understand once you smoke that first toke, your in. your in this fight to save this plant which gave you the freedom, the first thought of freedom that ran across your mind while you were high. you must help us because we are also helping you. the one thing you guys or gals can do towards helping us if you don't want to get too deep into this, is to do your research know your stuff, and educate others just spread the news, spread it high and spread it low, spread it as far as it may go, let he that can hear, hear. let he that can see, see, for the knowledge is free, and so shall this plant be. so join us in many ways.. join us by posting this thread in every link of this server post this thread in every blog print this link and spread it. the time is now

also guys I'm only one man theres so much i can do. for any new info you guys find please add it please feel free to say whats on your mind

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8410436555236949417&q=magic+weed

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6134138168753053667&q=marijuana

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 10:45 AM

thats 13 of us then lol, whos gna start organising somethin, i can help but i cant organise 4 shit

kindprincess

11-30-2006, 11:06 AM

this may be a little off track, but i've heard a rumor...

democrats are becoming more and more in control, hearings for federal legalization of medical marijuana are to begin in jan. don't know where or exactly when... but mark my words. it will be legal soon. at least for prescriptions... i use medically, could not live without. in my state, it is completely illegal.

enough bullshit... if you want to turn heads, do some research on the medical benefits of canabis. ie, that it is anticarcenogenic (for cancer patients) increases # of t cell and boosts immunity (hiv, aids) lowers heart rate and blood pressure (those with cardiovascular probs) lowers blood sugar (regulator for diabetes) anti anxiety properties (hypertensive nervous anxiety) depressant properties (insomniacs) nerve stimulant (nerve damage patients/stroke).....

guys, i realy could go on forever... if you want to make a point, show HOW marijuana helps...

another idea for you, do research on "hemp for victory" campaign; you'll find that the only reason that it IS illegal, is because it would elliminate the need for petroleum. gas corps can't handle that... and their money influences all legal ammendments.

i'm in guys...

love, kp:p

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 12:04 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...67&q=marijuana
Hanslinger what a nob!
Long vid, gd tho thx.

Watchin that i saw thousadnds of people doin legalization marches and its still illegal so marched dont look like they work

muffinman

11-30-2006, 12:38 PM

the organization of marches are used to control us and prevent us from doing something more productive, that would lead to a change.

TheBudBuster

11-30-2006, 02:19 PM

im in to brothers and sisters...

Peace
TBB

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 05:22 PM

Some facts and views bout MJ

Facts:

• GOOD: IN TEN THOUSAND YEARS OF USEAGE, NO ONE HAS EVER DIED FROM MARIJUANA.
• GOOD: THE ONLY WAY TO DIE FROM MARIJUANA IS TO INGEST 15,000 POUNDS IN 15 MINUTES.
• GOOD: MARIJUANA IS NOT A GATEWAY DRUG.
• GOOD: THE ORIGINAL DRAFTS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WERE WRITTEN ON HEMP PAPER.
• GOOD: GEORGE WASHINGTON AND THOMAS JEFFERSON GREW HEMP.
• GOOD: HEMP SEED IS NATURES PERFECT FOOD, THE OIL FROM HEMP SEEDS HAS THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF ESSENTIAL FATTY ACIDS AND LOWEST PERCENTAGE OF SATURATED FATS.
• GOOD: IN 1988, THE D.E.A.'S OWN ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE CONCLUDED THAT "MARIJUANA IS ONE OF THE SAFEST, THERAPEUTICALLY ACTIVE SUBSTANCES KNOWN TO MAN.
• GOOD: CANNABIS CAN BE USED AS A MEDICINE TO TREAT NAUSEA, PAIN, AND MUSCLE SPASMS.
• GOOD: STUDIES SHOW THAT MARIJUANA USERS ARE LESS LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMINAL ACTS SUCH AS MURDER, RAPE OR STEALING.
• BAD: MARIJUANA LOWERS THE SPERM PRODUCTION IN MALES AND CHANGES THE BALANCE OF HORMONES THAT CONTROL THE MENSTRUAL CYCLE IN GIRLS.
• BAD: ONE REASON PEOPLE GET INTO MARIJUANA IS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL!
• ???: MARIJUANA TILTS THE CHEMICALS IN THE BRAIN THAT REGULATE MOOD, APPETITE, ENERGY AND ATTENTION CAUSING A RELAXED FEELING, BECOMING THIRSTY AND HUNGRY, BECOMING LAZY AND HAVING A SHORT ATTENTION SPAN.
• ???: MARIJUANA IS NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE BUT USERS DO BECOME TOLERENT TO IT.

Views:

• MARIJUANA USERS BELIVE THAT LEGALIZATION WILL BRING PEACE AND ‘BROTHERHOOD’ TO THIS WORLD.
• MJ USERS WOULD HAVE NO INTENTION ON KILLING, RAPING OR STEALING.
• NONE MJ USERS DO NOT RESEARCH MARIJUANA PROPERLY BEFORE JUDGING IT.
• MJ USERS ARE MUCH MORE RELAXED AND DON’T WORRY SO MUCH.
• MONEY USED TO PUT MJ CULTIVATORS AND USERS IN JAIL COULD BE PUT TOWARDS OTHER MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.
• WE LIVE IN A BACKWARDS NATION WHERE, ALCAHOL (WHICH KILL OVER 150,000 PEOPLE A YEAR), TOBACCO (WHICH KILL AROUND 340,000 – 450,000 PEOPLE A YEAR), ASPIRIN AND CAFFEINE (WHICH KILL 1,180 – 11,000 PEOPLE A YEAR) LEGAL DRUG OVERDOSE (WHICH KILL 14,000 – 27,000 PEOPLE A YEAR) ARE ALL PERFECTLY LEGAL WHEREAS MARIJUANA WHICH HAS NEVER KILLED ANYONE, EVER, IS ILLEGAL! ( Information taken from http://www.jackherer.com/comparison.html)
• IF MARIJUANA WAS LEGALIZED THEN PEOPLE MIGHT USE IT LESS. (This theory comes from these facts; young children in France are brought up with watered down wine – when these children turn 18 they are much less likely to go out and get drunk as alcohol has become part of a tradition at meal times. If someone has the privilege of something they are less likely to abuse it.)

"When a drunken man comes home he beats his wife, when a stoner comes home he thanks his wife for dinner and chows down."

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 05:26 PM

cmon i gota get a rep point 4 that ^^^ lol

Buffs2007

11-30-2006, 07:38 PM

People have tried petitioning this for years; wake up, its not going to do anything.

I think you all should look back at history. Civil disobedience is a very successful method of changing minds. Look back at the civil rights movement of the 1960's. Martin Luther King Jr. and his followers used civil disobedience to gain rights for minorities. Rosa Parks sat in the back of a city bus and was arrested because it was illegal for an African American to do so. Martin Luther King Jr. knew the laws were rediculous and unreasonable so he, among others, deliberately disobeyed them.

We should do the same. We know these laws are rediculous, so why the hell don't we show it. If we organized enough people around the country to smoke in public all at once, the government would be forced to reevaluate their policy.

Pezzo

11-30-2006, 08:03 PM

try everythin but lets organise somethin! not being harsh just impatient, gd ideas tho :D

kindprincess

12-01-2006, 12:35 AM

guys, guys...

don't talk about it; be about it;)

love, kp:p

Matt the Funk

12-01-2006, 01:19 AM

Sounds like we have some good ideas. I think if we orginized some of this stuff, we could get it legalized, plus, democrats are in power.;)

hex.shaman

12-01-2006, 05:13 AM

I'm in guys. I think if we could create something like truth.org that does all those anti tobacco things but for the befits of mj it would be good. If we could get some sort of advertising showing good reasons for mj legalization. billboards, TV commercials. It would cost a lot of money but those are the types of things that really influence voting.

So who has a lot of money to spend? o.o

kindprincess

12-01-2006, 05:34 AM

if....

Pezzo

12-01-2006, 08:02 AM

lol now ur gettin impatient kP cute avator btw

muffinman

12-01-2006, 03:14 PM

cool guys i'm back with more news and its bad and good, good part first, i'm so happy to see so many good ideas, i'm so happy, and also brings tears to my eyes, just dont give up, dont give up. this is the bad part behind the curtain lies a monster, very small and cute, to gaze upon him will make you smile so cute this monster is. for this is the monster to look out for guys for its dangerous. but anyway hope i didnt confuse anyone,lol. but yep this will bring you guys closer to the truth and also will show you who we are going to have to face if we want marijuana to be free,

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm

yeah we have to go deeper to find out the truth yep deeper its a sad world guys and gals. yep, thanks to marijuana i'm still alive, long story, i smoke and look forward for a free world

p.s. hex. shaman wonderful idea, we will soon have make a check list of these ideas and put them together and see what our weaknesses are and fix them, so we should soon have to start figuring out our weakness.

muffinman

12-01-2006, 03:15 PM

and yes i would realy want to go to heaven, there must be some nice weed there, ones that gives you wings, hmmmmm i can see it now

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 12:58 AM

get the message across to every one. Dont the goverment think people who smoke pot Vote? We should get a pettition of the hundreds of thousands of people who smoke pot and also vote in the elections when they are held. Give the goverment a list of all the voters who smoke weed & tell them if it isnt leagalized all these voters that have voted for them in the past will no longer vote for them at future elections????

demonangel :rasta:

PS. There has to be3 some way. Some way we can get this legalized. Keep thinking peopple...

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 01:04 AM

If any one ever gets any of this up and running it would go even further if we had celebrity support as well. We all know loads of famouse people have the same views as us when concerning weed. If any of these events are organised i think having a celebrity presence there would go a long way in our favour as well ??????

demonangel :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 01:52 AM

LCA= legalize cannabis asosiation
there based in the uk i sujest other people to email the as well i have invited them also to come have a read of this thread as well. Hope none of you mind as i thought some one in there organization coul if not start the ball rolling mayby they could point us in the right direction on getting started. If you allso want to email them here is one of there members email: [email protected]

Here is a copy of my email to them:

Hi there Me and a lot of other people from a lot of places arround the world have been trying to think of ways we can get a change made in the law and get cannabis legalized for once and for all. we have been discussind various thing. Like petitions, Marches and other things. We have been posting ideas on a forum thread on cannabis.com We all are totally dedicated to geting somethin started now but have no one to get the wheels in motion. I was wondering if you could take a look at the thread and think about some of the ideas that are posted on the thread every day. Things like organizing marches. I know a lot of peopl say marches dont work but were not just talking about a march in one place on a certain day and time we are talking about having a march like once every month or every 2 months in towns and citys all over the uk. Example a march in london & at the very same day and time another taking place in manchester, Birmingham and hopefully every were in the uk. Also get celebrity support. Allso petti9tions being delivered to MPS polititions all around the country not just in one place. We know that this sort of campaigne take a lot of planing but i am hoping you can share some knolege, info and even start something happening. As every one wants to see the legalization of cannabis hapopen in there lifetime. So even if you can only offer advise and or even build on some of the ideas that are being posted on the forum thread. But since you allready running a campaigne mayby you can get these thing up and running. As i know i and probally loads more people would be willing to comit time to anything that moves us just that bit closer to our goal. Please email me back with your views & please take a look on the forum at some of the ideas that have bee proposed there. Like i said to people. The goverment wont listen to the few they will only lissten to the many. i post a link to the above mentiond forum thread at the bottom of this email. I hope you will reply to this mail and hopefully we all can get something finally moving in the right direction
We need to open the goverments eyes and make them know that this is what the majority of the uk public want & we wont disapear we will just grow stronger & stronger with everytime they deny us. I and others also had the idea of a worldwide cannabis legalizeation day plas let me know your views on this as well.
Well hope to here from you soon...

demonangel

PS. Sorry i forgot the forum link., Here it is now: http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=90287

demonangel :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 02:05 AM

Good day to hold a world wide anual cannabis day would be the same date it was made illegal. lol.

demonangel :rasta:

cannabis=freedom

12-02-2006, 05:22 AM

I would do anything to make cannabis legal. Maybe even sacrifice my life so that future generations can toke without fear of discrimination.

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 06:02 AM

Sayin you would consider taking sacraficing your life dosnt keep a positive cause. what goverment would ever even discuss a change in the law if they have people stating that they would take such a drastic action. Thats my thought on that any way.

demonangel :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 06:08 AM

produce car bumper & winmdows stickers and sell them over the net to raise funds for events and allready running legalization campaines??? Like i said keep ideas coming. The more ideas we have the more ideas will be thought of. It all will have to lead some were. Be it the legalization even the decriminalization or other. We cant give up. Giving up is for the weak. We have to be heard one day. Lets all just hope that day comes sooner than later.

demonangel :rasta:

AlunB3

12-02-2006, 11:17 AM

Hi everybody

Haven't been here for a while - I am part of the UK movement The Legalise Cannabis Alliance http://www.lca-uk.org and webmaster of the Cannabis Campaigners Guide at http://www.ccguide.org.uk (http://www.ccguide.org.uk/)

The ideas and discussion here excellent - although of course a lot have been tried in the UK - but what more can we do.

We've had sticker campaigns (No Victim No Crime written around the leaf), marches (although not with everyone in suits), protests and lobbies at Parliament, letters to MP's, petitions, Smokey Bear's picnics, Turn-yourself-in Days (which i don't personally like), festivals, hemp fairs, letters to the press.

Most of that stuff we still do - now there is a petition to the Prime Minister - but only about 400 sigs in the time the Bring Back Hunting petition has about ten times more!

There's been a World-Wide Marijuana march every year for over 5 years with marches in 70 or so cities world-wide more or less on the same day.

My conclusion is that we must continue to change the monds and attitudes of the public before we have any hope to change the politicans and the law.

There's a lot of fear, a lot of ignorance and a lot of apathy out there, and soem greed - we have to show people that whether or not they are auser or know one, whether or not cannabis has helped or hindered, it would all be better off if it was legal, outlets and quality controlled, profits taxed etc, and home cultivation allowed.

For me the most cost-effective and easiest is writing letters to the press, national and local - and to the politicians - start a chat on your local paper letters page

but that doesn't mean we cannot do the other stuff too.

Alun

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 02:31 PM

Hi all. I am pleased to say. After emailing the LCA yesterday i recieved a reply this morning. They said they would come take a look at this thread and would try and help if they can. I was delighted that they replied so quick. Just goes to show that were not alone. So now more than ever keep the ideas coming. Even more so now as we have there support as well. So keep on thinking.

demonangel :rasta:

Pezzo

12-02-2006, 03:55 PM

After what Alun said im not so confident, he said everything has bin tried and its failed... Im still with u guys tho

elsie haze

12-02-2006, 04:39 PM

high everyone

well, i got the message from demonangel from alun, it has been distributed to lca supporters.:rasta:

i worked on the exec team of the lca for 3 years so i am happy to tell you whats been happening, and how things might change in the future.:dance:

okay, first of all the LCA formed in 1999 as a POLITICAL PARTY, the LCA stood in local and general elections, and even made a party political broadcast in wales in 2005!

Over the last 7 years the LCA, as Alunb3 mentioned has been involved with a fair few rallys and events, conferences and protests, infact it would be fair to say, the LCA has been at every cannabis event in the UK, although we would never take the credit of those who organise these events, many of them individuals who just want to try and make a change. Credit must go to the organiers of the Hull Cannabis March, The London organisers, including members of the Green party and The Cannabis Trust, Weedworld Magazine for the hemp fairs past and future, CCNews (RIP, sadly missed!)plus many more individuals who have decided they wanted to make a change in the UK, i cant list them all, they might not even want me too!

So whilst the LCA was political, hundreds of letters were sent to newspapers and members of parliment, people stood in elections and we were invited to do some TV and Radio work, all great fun and all paid for out of the pockets of those involved. Protests in London and outside police stations, coffeeshops in the UK opened up, there is still a couple open i understand.... by 2004, a year after i got involved, LCA had been on Top Gear, Sky News, Newsnight, featured on the front page of the nationals, and i do not doubt for a moment that the pressure we put on the goverment started a change, which would result in downgrading cannabis.

Thats a change!!!

Of course in the last two years, since the change, the prohibitionists have been woking hard, using any and every opportunity to give cannabis a bad name, it seems as was always the case that there is some sort of media restrictions on cannabis reporting, the government who changed the law are now begining to rethink, their opinion will never change on legalising cannabis, because they have told us so.

So changes have been made to the LCA, the threat of us taking votes in election got the law changed, now we have de-registered as a political party, and hope that as a pressure group we can attract supporters from all political parties, meaning eventually the labour, conservatives and lib dems will be fighting for the cannabis legalisation cap, they know it gains votes!

We are restructuring the LCA, we want to have a serious team of dedicated workers in different fields, medical, growing, licenicing, education, recreational, coffeeshops, promotion, events etc etc.

We hope that with each team working on a specific goal we can take a plan to all of the major political parties, telling them, how to legalise cannabis, when to do it, how much it will cost, how much reveiw could be achieved, how to educate, etc etc, this is all pipeline stuff, and its hoped over the next three months some real changes and ideas will blossom.

the lca does have a website, and a forum, where members can share ideas, and find info used in past events, fliers to download, news, and press releases.

we encourage people to contact the LCA with news stories and to send us your local papers contact details, we have spokepeople and can visit meetings and events.

i am glad there are other people who want to change the law, it takes all of us to make an effort to change it, or sit on our hands and complain.

i would advise anyone who hasnt seen it to try and get a copy of Green Britain, by paul dooner, when i watched it i couldnt believe what i had been missing out on!

free the weed

elsie haze

and ps, i happen to love the london cannabis march, and i understand there is some sort of idea for having more marches next year including birmingham, i'll send more info if you want it, or when i have it!

Pezzo

12-02-2006, 05:04 PM

elsie haze

12-02-2006, 05:52 PM

^^^ Thats brillient and its what we are all trying to do, so if this has bin goin since 1999 how come nothing has changed AND i have never herd about it, not in paper or on tv or anything, we arnt reachin enough people. Ive informed like 60 people of cannabis and gettin legalized and most of them are 'secretly' supporting it but wont come out as they are afraid of getting caught, they cant be asked and they dont think itll happen

Hi

Like i mentioned, there seems to be a ban of media resports, flipping heck the first time i went on a london march and smoked next to a police man i bought every paper and it wasnt mentioned in any, despite the fact over 3000 people marched through the middle of london smoking, last year the event was held at trafalger square, news? nope, they dont want to report on how peaceful the day was....

changes, cannabis was a class b drug in 1999, it isn't now!
coffeeshops open in the uk, they were not before!
marches through towns and cities.....
a cannabis leaf on voting cards!!!
stalls at glastonbury
stalls at the london hemp show, 2004, 2005.

granny pat has had the most coverage of recent, she has been on richard and judy, trisha and on most newspapers and news reports, thc4ms go to court NEXT monday, there is always cannabis thinbgs going on, but i think the press are banned from talking about good stuff.

go to the lca legalise cannabis alliance website and read the news section, visit the forums etc.

i have to say our biggest down fall is fear of arrest for supporting cannabis legalisation, the best idea i have come up with, was to comply a questionaire broaching a few major subjects and seeing if the press would all print it on the same day, chuck cannabis in, hope loads of readers reply, and hey presto you should get an annonymous but real perspective on how many people want weed legalised.

sadly the fact people dont want to shout about it is the other down fall, i will, none of my mates will, its a problem we face talking about a law breaking subject.

this is part and parcel of how we change things, by working out how to get support from everyone and not just the hardcore!!

Pezzo

12-02-2006, 05:56 PM

Thanx 4 reasuring me on that elsie, what bout advertising or dont u have the money?

elsie haze

12-02-2006, 06:06 PM

Thanx 4 reasuring me on that elsie, what bout advertising or dont u have the money?

its a tough old world, we use what money we do have to keep the website going, print leaflets and occasional pay out for a stall or small conference, but people would much rather use the money for weed than donate to a worthy cause!!

we have a donated page each issue of weedworld the uks only weed magazine, and i understand soft secrets also has an advert for us.

if you put legalise cannabis in google we come up pretty close to the top.

but heres something for you to enjoy.

put "kinokast" in the google search engine, click on 2000-2005, scroll down a few pictures and on the left you will see a link for the cannabis london march, if you click on the photo the video will download it takes a couple of moments, but it shows what has been happening with very little communication execpt the web and emails,

once upon a time in the 70's a group of well known celebs put a page advert in the independent newspaper (could be a different one, but i think the indy) requesting that cannabis was legalsied, they all signed their names at the bottom of the request, a full page! It would be good if that happened again.

i think that was done through release, a charity to do with law breaking.

there is loads of info on the net, the cannabis campaigners guide is another good info packed site,

thing is with weed, if you dont go looking its hard to discover, and its not oftern its dropped off for free on the doormat, same with news, seek and he will find!!

i promise whilst we chat there are loadsa people in the UK wishing they knew how to find out about legalising weed, if i didnt have a computer it would be hard, but once you have access to the world wide web, everythings possible.

maybe the way to encourage freinds is to hold a meeting in the local area....with some of your news about whats really going on in the UK.

The LCA even has a sponsored football team, based in Lemington Spa, The Reckheads!

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 06:17 PM

I also know loads of people who smoke in secret. They say they support the cause but in my view unless you really support it openly youâ??re not supporting it at all. They are scared of getting into trouble and think if they sign petitions they will be arrested. I can understand there fear especially if there family is totally anti cannabis. But canâ??t see how police can arrest you for signing a peace of paper. Totally against freedom of speech. Like I have said before ive been smoking weed since I was 14 yrs old and am now 32 and like most long term smokers get very impatient and very astounded when we are classed in the same way as people who actually do harm to other people like murderes,rapists ect. I currently sign every legalization petition concerning cannabis that is brought to my attention. I know people who have been signing these types of petitions for many years and not one of them has ended them up arrested. Someone needs to come up with the ultimate plan. After watching a video on Google video on the history of cannabis and seeing how governments originally gained the publics vote to make it illegal through adverts and so on saying utterly stupid things like: If you smoke it you will kill people, if you smoke it u will go insane. There is many of these each one funnier than the last. Should we take the same approach advertise the real proof surrounding weed of how it does none of things the government tries to tell the public it does. Also If would it be a good idea to right or email politicians in Holland ( Amsterdam ) find info on what cannabis does for there economy, What affect on crime rate it has being. At the moment here in the UK we have a continuing over crowding in our prisons. What benefits legalization would have in this area as well as all other aspects of law & crime increases & decreases? All the info is out there itâ??s just the matter of finding it. I think I read somewhere that the Mayor of Amsterdam has actually communicated with leaders of other countries his wish it that they took a more reasonable approach to cannabis like they do in Holland Amsterdam. We need support from people like this who already know the benefits it gives. Any way I got to go my fingers are clicking and hurting now. Before I go ide like to thank everyone from the LCA who has replied and posted here since my email & hope to see more input from them. When it comes down to it were all fighting for the same thing so we need to keep things going no matter how much it seems were not doing any good. Bye for now.

demonangel :rasta:

Pezzo

12-02-2006, 06:39 PM

i dont get it wiv all these petitions, complaints, marches, truth, celebs, followers and everything else thats bin put to the government y is it still illegal. Can they not take a 50 year hint? or however long its bin goin

demonangel2_uk

12-02-2006, 09:32 PM

I am starting to think that the goverment in the uk will only ever legalize it if and when we give them no other choice. I recon a newspaper vote is a good idea but finding a newspaper with the guts to publish a vote in there paper will be hard if infact they are banned from printing anything good about cannabis. What happened to freedom of the press.

demonangel2 :rasta:

Pezzo

12-02-2006, 10:45 PM

tell u one gd thing, marches - smoke cannabis in puplic without gettin caught

someone write up a petition NOW whilst we are thinkin of other things so that we can get as many names as we can

demonangel2_uk

12-03-2006, 01:47 AM

Hi every one i just created a yahoo group called CANNABIS-LEGALIZATION-UK-GROUP the address is: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/CANNABIS-LEGALIZATION-UK-GROUP/

i had the idea the more places people see threads, sites and anything relating to the legalization of cannabis the better for us it is. Hopefully i will get loads of members in the group. I will hopefully keep the group up to date as much as possible. Any one want to join feel free. I will be ading pot related pictures, Web links and as soon as we get a petition written up hopefully someone will post here and there. It is located in the yahoo group listings for easy access to any one to find. It would be very interesting to see how many if any people join. Also it could be a place for people to ask questions on the legalization of cannabis. Hopefully it will attract loads of people. If any one from here joins could you state your a member of this thread also so i and any moderators i appoint can keep track of new people being interested in out cause. Also any members of the LCA are also very welcome i will be posting links to the LCA site and other related sites as and when i find them. Any way hopefully see loads of new people. See ya all later.

demonangel :rasta:

cannabis=freedom

12-03-2006, 03:03 AM

I don't think I'd actually sacrifice my life; I was just very heated and emotional when I posted that, and am getting more and more frustrated about how persistently stupid governments are. It will never have to come to that, though. Don't forget, at one time it was illegal to perform gay acts. Over time most people realized that this sort of discrimination is bullshit, and the same will happen with cannabis.

demonangel2_uk

12-03-2006, 04:27 AM

cannabis=freedom i hope your right but better sooner than later. LOL ime of to sleep now. good night world. Or should i say good morning.lol.

demonangel :rasta:

Pezzo

12-03-2006, 10:08 AM

yay i demonangel has taken a step forward well done :D

elsie haze

12-03-2006, 02:06 PM

okay for all of you who want to sign petitions, go to www.petitionthem.com put in cannabis and sign away, also whilst you are there, put in THC4MS AND PLEASE READ THIS AND SEE HOW YOU CAN HELP!!!:thumbsup:

hAVE JUST HEARD PLANS ARE A FOOT FOR GLOBAL CANNABIS MARCHES NEXT YEAR.

sorry about the shouting, unintentional!!

So April 20th is the day most worldwide marches happen, there should be one in London and hopefully one in Birmingham, Birmingham city council no longer requests cannabis marches apply for a licence, gosh we are just so god dammed peaceful!

If you want to be involved PM me.

About two years ago i came up with a questionaire pack. What do people think?

The pack has a questionaire and info about cannabis, the aim is you drop them through 20 doors, in resealable a4 bags, a bit like betterware, asking the people to fill in the questionaire and leave it on their doorstep on whatever day you can pick them up.

you might lose the lot, but you might get 20 back, then replace the questionaire and put them through 20 more doors, people can put their contact details in the bag if they want to help.

its small, its an individual task, but it might be a start.

and has anyone heard of LEAP - Law Enforcement Against prohibition? These are ex and present police officers who believe drugs should be legalised for better control, they have in the last two weeks begun a town tour, was on the news last week, Eddie Ellison, is an ex scotland yard, head of drugs Squad, he has supported cannabis court cases and also is willing to appear at events, an ex police chief is as good as it gets, eddie, is currently tring to gather enough evidence by visiting america, amsterdam and australia on medical cannabis supplies. so he can tell the uk goverment how medical cannabis works.

another wild plan? write to amsterdam vcoffeeshops ask them to put up legalise in uk posters, and hand out postcards with a pre written message....

"Dear Prime Minister, I am enjoying my stay in Holland and the freedom to smoke cannabis in coffeeshops without the fear of arrest, why dontt you come and visit, and change our laws!"

OR..... this ones easy.... get some LCA leaflets or make a poster for your local head shop (pipes and skins shop) and the local grow shop, plus what about local body shops and other shops selling hemp products, i notice many suntan shops use hemp creams, threaten to name and shame them, tell them if they use cannabis in their products they should be using british cannabis to save the enviroment.

i could yap all day, but i dont want to bore you...

did any of you vist the lca website or watch the video on kinokast?

there is stacks of cannabis videos on you tube too, including homer simpson getting stoned. check google video too, inspiration helps the mind work, lol

sign the petitions write letters....

tell your mates, you have been talking to someone who has been on national tv and radio and local press demanding legalisation, and even after making a complaint about police, am yet to have even a caution to my name, it shocks police when they realise a 30 year old can have no criminal convictions and support legalisation, most police actually agree with legalisation, very few enjoy busting people. But it is their job. Police have to act on public complaints, so never give reason for complaint.

if you want to protest, its your legal right, but inform the council and police of your plans, they cannot arrest you for a protest, but they can arrest for drug possesion, so you have to weigh up the day, we have protested outside downing street and one person rolled a j and got nicked, yet we went to a march in hull and the police informed everyone if they smoked they'd be nicked, 5 minutes into the march everyone smoked and no arrests, the police asked why i wasnt smoking!! They enjoy the march as they have an easy time. I dont know why they said they would arrest people, but they didnt!!!

Pezzo

12-03-2006, 02:47 PM

elsie haze

12-03-2006, 03:17 PM

17467 people have signed one of those petitions, dont u think thats enough? cant the government see that there are millions wantin this to happen?

boston hemp fest
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://bostonhempfest.com/Icons/2005_pin.gif&imgrefurl=http://bostonhempfest.com/TOC.htm&h=300&w=439&sz=161&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=Q_lwfKwoGkCG7M:&tbnh=87&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmarijuana%2Bicon%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3D en%26lr%3D

lol, i think they just see the 17467 people and think thats a small percentage of the uk, spread the word.....more sigs equals more fingers pointing at the goverment.

did you know there are cannabis petitions on the downing street website too? sorry i dont have a link, but take a look, we're trying!

i like the look of the boston hempfest, thats one i might get to in 2007!

Pezzo

12-03-2006, 03:31 PM

elsie u are reli moving this foward.

see what i just made lol

Pezzo

12-03-2006, 03:43 PM

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/legalisecannabis/
Legalize cannabis petition, will be sent to the prime minister on 15th of feb 2007
found it by searching write to the prime minister at www.altavista.com

demonangel2_uk

12-04-2006, 01:03 AM

I have signed all the petitions on the links posted. If i had a printer i would gladly print out leaflets and other thing and distribute them all around my town. But i would need loads and loads of them. Any one have a list of celebs that support the same views as us. Is so post them maybe we can start emailing them. Just think if we can get really famous people to march with with us in the next march. I am totally up for a march as long as i know when and were it is taking place. Also getting celebs on side would be good cos you never know maybe we could get them to perform for us for free as well to attract more people to our cause. Only thing is though we would have to find some were they could do this. Like a park or field we could rent from local counsels for a day.

demonangel :rasta:

PS i have been leaving links to this forum and to the LCA site every were i go while on line. Hopefully attract more people to our cause through this.

elsie haze

12-04-2006, 11:04 AM

http://frankdiscussion.netfirms.com/who_celebtokers.html

this is on the Frank Discussion Website, a canadian one i spotted a flag.

anyway, its a deffnate job, i wrote to a few celebs, including woody harelson, anita rodderick a few months ago, but only emailed, prehaps letters would work well.

i havent read the whole list above, but will in a bit, remember there is also, george michael, lily allens done a song about weed on her album, and so has amy winehouse, its just getting an address where their management wont file the letter in the bin nefore they get it.

we once had a document translated into brail for David Blunkett, and he never got it, even though it was sent recorded delivery, how slack is that, it cost us Â£80, and some secratary chucked it, without even asking if he wanted to feel it.

TheBudBuster

12-04-2006, 11:08 AM

what a scummy man....

elsie haze

12-04-2006, 11:09 AM

elsie u are reli moving this foward.

see what i just made lol

thats great, i really dont know how proven the downside facts are, prehaps instead of downside effects, you could replace with some "education about cannabis use" ie:

Cannabis Harm.

Counterfit cannabis is being sold in the UK, this inclused Soap Bar which contains 1% cannabis and is made of toxic ingreideints such as deisel, ketamine and animal feasis, (dont thnk i spelt that right, lol) Some imported weeds are now covered in glass or fiberglass which can kill, demand cannabis regulation from the government.

Smoking Cannabis with tobbacco increases your risk of cancers, rolling pure joints, eating cannabis or using a vaporisor considerably cuts the risk.

elsie haze

12-04-2006, 11:11 AM

from ukcia

Soapbar - Just Say No to polluted hash

When it launched in June 2003, the governments new anti-drug site "Talk to Frank" claimed "Cannabis is not something that dealers mix anything with". We notice this information has been revised and Frank has now changed his mind.

The Frank website seems to be written by people with a very poor understanding of English and the Soapbar warning is a good example of this. Frank now says:

"The most unpure Cannabis is called 'soap bar'. It's contaminated with all sorts of things. This makes it cheaper but it's a false economy really as it is often harder to get stoned. Some users hate it so much they object to smoking it."
Soap Dodgers?

can't sort you out

Franks' use of the English language is suspect and can really only be explained because he's not being honest. The word "unpure" in Franks comments actually means "cut" or "polluted". This of course is a direct result of prohibition preventing proper controls and forcing the trade into the hands of organised crime. Why not tell the truth Frank?

"Unpure" Hash

UKCIA has had this page online since 2001

The government likes to warn us about the supposed dangers of cannabis, most of which are downright lies, but it keeps very quiet about one danger which is both very real and a direct result of its policies.

Because it's illegal and so often supplied by profit motivated criminal networks, cannabis - especially hash - sold in the UK is often of low quality and contains contaminants.

SOAPBAR (it's called "soap" because a 250g bar is shaped like a bar of soap) is perhaps the most common type of hash in the UK and it is often the most polluted.

Now, not all soap is bad of course, but some certainly is. At worst there may only be a tiny amount of low grade hash mixed with some very strange stuff:

Beeswax, turpentine, milk powder, ketamine, boot polish, henna, pine resin, aspirin, animal turds, ground coffee, barbiturates, glues and dyes plus carcinogenic solvents such as Toluene and Benzene

This is what happens under prohibition. If your pint down the pub contained any of these nasty things wouldn't you complain? Of course you would, well now its time to complain about polluted cannabis supplies.

DON'T SMOKE SOAP
DON'T BUY SOAP
DON'T SELL SOAP

The government is well aware of this situation and seems happy to expose the millions of cannabis users to dangers which simple quality controls could eliminate, but of course, that means accepting they're wrong and legalising cannabis.

Join us in saying "NO" to crap hash, tell your friends, tell your dealer and ask your MP why they refuse to allow quality controls for cannabis

What to do if all you can get is dodgy soap bar

Not all soap is as bad as all that though, so be choosey when buying it.

Don't buy rock-hard stuff, or samples that give off a dark acrid smoke when burned.

Cutting through a block of resin should expose a brown coloured surface (including if you have black hash) and it should fluff up when heated and be easy to powder with just a little flaming.

The smell of pure hash smoke is also very distinctive in its own right, learn what to sniff for!

To be honest, it's best to go without rather than smoke some of the really bad stuff available out there, but if you really have no choice, you can try this:

How to clean polluted hash

Well, it's not that easy, but you can try this if your stash is bad enough:

In a saucepan, boil up a small amount of water (perhaps to a depth of 2 cm or so).

Add your yucky sample of crap soap

Simmer gently and crush the hash block

The water will more than likely turn yellow, maybe due to the henna (or worse) dissolving out.

When the hash has all powdered up, drain the water off and put the remaining powder onto kitchen paper towels to dry out.

As cannabis oils are not soluble in water so the potency of what you have won't be too badly damaged and given what comes off it's said to be well worth it (although to be fair this is no way to treat good hash!). You'll also have a lot smaller stash at the end of this though. Of course, we can't promise this will always work, but UKCIA has heard of good results.

Don't just hope for a change soon, help bring it about.

elsie haze

12-04-2006, 11:13 AM

The Marijuana Conspiracy - The Real Reason Hemp is Illegal
by Doug Yurchey, 2005
(Posted here by Wes Penre, June 18, 2005)

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And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger
in the land.

-- Ezekiel 34/29

THE REAL REASON CANNABIS HAS BEEN OUTLAWED HAS NOTHING
TO DO WITH ITS EFFECTS ON THE MIND AND BODY.

MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

* All schoolbooks were made from hemp or flax paper until the 1880s; Hemp Paper Reconsidered, Jack Frazier, 1974.

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.

* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.

Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that hemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:

'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'

In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

THE CONSPIRACY

Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

MEDIA MANIPULATION

A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER MADNESS:

a violent narcotic.

acts of shocking violence.

incurable insanity.

soul-destroying effects.

under the influence of the drug he killed his entire family with an ax.

more vicious, more deadly even than these soul-destroying drugs (heroin, cocaine) is the menace of marihuana!

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

In the 1930s, people were very naive; even to the point of ignorance. The masses were like sheep waiting to be led by the few in power. They did not challenge authority. If the news was in print or on the radio, they believed it had to be true. They told their children and their children grew up to be the parents of the baby-boomers.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.

Dr. James Woodward, a physician and attorney, testified too late on behalf of the American Medical Association. He told the committee that the reason the AMA had not denounced the Marihuana Tax Law sooner was that the Association had just discovered that marihuana was hemp.

Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood cannabis to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.

In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

Congress banned hemp because it was said to be the most violence-causing drug known. Anslinger, head of the Drug Commission for 31 years, promoted the idea that marihuana made users act extremely violent. In the 1950s, under the Communist threat of McCarthyism, Anslinger now said the exact opposite. Marijuana will pacify you so much that soldiers would not want to fight.

Today, our planet is in desperate trouble. Earth is suffocating as large tracts of rain forests disappear. Pollution, poisons and chemicals are killing people. These great problems could be reversed if we industrialized hemp. Natural biomass could provide all of the planet's energy needs that are currently supplied by fossil fuels. We have consumed 80% of our oil and gas reserves. We need a renewable resource. Hemp could be the solution to soaring gas prices.

THE WONDER PLANT

Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL. Hempen plastics are biodegradable! Over time, they would break down and not harm the environment. Oil-based plastics, the ones we are very familiar with, help ruin nature; they do not break down and will do great harm in the future. The process to produce the vast array of natural (hempen) plastics will not ruin the rivers as Dupont and other petrochemical companies have done. Ecology does not fit in with the plans of the Oil Industry and the political machine. Hemp products are safe and natural.

MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. We should go back to the days when the AMA supported cannabis cures. 'Medical Marijuana' is given out legally to only a handful of people while the rest of us are forced into a system that relies on chemicals. Pot is only healthy for the human body.

WORLD HUNGER COULD END. A large variety of food products can be generated from hemp. The seeds contain one of the highest sources of protein in nature. ALSO: They have two essential fatty acids that clean your body of cholesterol. These essential fatty acids are not found anywhere else in nature! Consuming pot seeds is the best thing you could do for your body. Eat uncooked hemp seeds.

CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP. Hemp clothing is extremely strong and durable over time. You could hand clothing, made from pot, down to your grandchildren. Today, there are American companies that make hemp clothing; usually 50% hemp. Hemp fabrics should be everywhere. Instead, they are almost underground. Superior hemp products are not allowed to advertise on fascist television. Kentucky, once the top hemp producing state, made it ILLEGAL TO WEAR hemp clothing! Can you imagine being thrown into jail for wearing quality jeans?

The world is crazy...but that does not mean you have to join the insanity. Get together. Spread the news. Tell people, and that includes your children, the truth. Use hemp products. Eliminate the word 'marijuana.' Realize the history that created it. Make it politically incorrect to say or print the M-word. Fight against the propaganda (designed to favor the agenda of the super rich) and the bullshit. Hemp must be utilized in the future. We need a clean energy source to save our planet. INDUSTRIALIZE HEMP!

The liquor, tobacco and oil companies fund more than a million dollars a day to Partnership for a Drug-Free America and other similar agencies. We have all seen their commercials. Now, their motto is: â??It's more dangerous than we thought.â?? Lies from the powerful corporations, that began with Hearst, are still alive and well today.

The brainwashing continues. Now, the commercials say: If you buy a joint, you contribute to murders and gang wars. The latest anti-pot commercials say: If you buy a joint...you are promoting TERRORISM! The new enemy (terrorism) has paved the road to brainwash you any way THEY see fit.

There is only one enemy; the friendly people you pay your taxes to; the war-makers and nature destroyers. With your funding, they are killing the world right in front of your eyes. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY TOBACCO. HALF A MILLION DEATHS EACH YEAR ARE CAUSED BY ALCOHOL. NO ONE HAS EVER, EVER DIED FROM SMOKING POT!! In the entire history of the human race, not one death can be attributed to cannabis. Our society has outlawed grass but condones the use of the KILLERS: TOBACCO and ALCOHOL. Hemp should be declassified and placed in DRUG stores to relieve stress. Hardening and constriction of the arteries are bad; but hemp usage actually enlarges the arteries...which is a healthy condition. We have been so conditioned to think that: Smoking is harmful. That is NOT the case for passive pot.

Ingesting THC, hemp's active agent, has a positive effect; relieving asthma and glaucoma. A joint tends to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy. You are able to eat on hemp. This is a healthy state of being.

{One personal note: During the pregnancy of my wife, she was having some difficulty gaining weight. We were in the hospital. A nurse called us to one side and said: â??Off the record, if you smoke pot...you'd get something called the munchies and youâ??ll gain weight.' I swear that is a true story}.

The stereotype for a pothead is similar to a drunk, bubble-brain. Yet, the truth is oneâ??s creative abilities can be enhanced under its influence. The perception of time slightly slows and one can become more sensitive. You can more appreciate all arts; be closer to nature and generally FEEL more under the influence of cannabis. It is, in fact, the exact opposite state of mind and body as the drunken state. You can be more aware with pot.

The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis. To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuallity. Growers know to kill the males before they fertilize the females. Yes, folks...the most potent pot comes from 'horny females.'

The reason this amazing, very sophisticated, ET plant from the future is illegal has nothing to do with how it physically affects usâ?¦..

â?¦POT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRES!

ps: I think the word â??DRUGSâ?? should not be used as an umbrella-word that covers all chemical agents. Drugs have come to be known as something BAD. Are you aware there are LEGAL drugstores?! Yep, in every city. Unbelievable. Each so-called drug should be considered individually. Cannabis is a medicine and not a drug. We should DARE to speak the TRUTH no matter what the law is.

elsie haze

12-04-2006, 12:01 PM

http://www.globalmarijuanamarch.org/

demonangel2_uk

12-04-2006, 02:29 PM

demonangel2_uk

12-05-2006, 12:21 AM

Excellent posts elsie haze You really know your stuff. I have book marked your links. I haven't had any more reply s from the emails to mps i sent last night. If i do i will post results.

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

12-05-2006, 09:59 PM

I emailed mps in my area last night had 2 reply s this morning both saying they did not share the same views concerning legalization. Still waiting for reply s from 5 more yet i will post if i ever get a reply.

demonangel :rasta:

what parties do the mps sit on?

be worth monitoring them

labour tend to say no, but sympathise with medical use, but wont ever legalise it, be interesting what lib dems, cons and greens say?

well done

else xx

demonangel2_uk

12-05-2006, 11:22 PM

demonangel2_uk

12-05-2006, 11:29 PM

here is the list of the mps i sent the emails to:

Joe Griffiths MBE (Independent)

Mick Bates (Liberal Democrat)

Lisa Francis (Conservative)

Nicholas Bourne (Conservative)

Helen Mary Jones (Plaid Cymru)

Glyn Davies (Conservative)

Lembit Ã?pik (Liberal Democrat)

Glenys Kinnock (Labour)

Jill Evans (Plaid Cymru)

Jonathan Evans (Conservative)

Eluned Morgan (Labour)

I will post if any of them send a positive reply. But i aint holding my breath as its been 2 days now.

demonangel :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-05-2006, 11:35 PM

here is the reply i had from Glyn Davies:

Thank you for your email. I am not in favour of the legalisation of
cannabis and I was strongly opposed to its recent reclassification.
Where it
is recommended as a response to the alleviation of a medical condition
I am
content to support its use.
Best wishes, Glyn Davies

i had another reply as well but i acidently deleted it and cant remember which one it was from sorry.

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

12-06-2006, 11:20 AM

I was wondering the marches next year will the press be covering them? & the mps i contacted are from various party's. Lib Dem, Conservatives, Independent, Plaid Cymru, but still haven't had any more reply s as yet. Starting to think i aint gona get any more. Back to the marches i was a little disappointed that there isn't a march any closer to my area. I live in Mid Wales Powys and with the marches being so far away. Not sure i can get to them. I will try my best though. Be better if the organisers could hold marches in more locations as well as London, Birmingham and Middlesbrough. I think that the travelling stops a lot of people like myself getting to them. Be excellent if some one could organise a marches in Shrewsbury, Aberystwyth and other places around the country. I had a good idea for a advert last night when in my bed. A 2 part ad shown on tv one after the other. The first could show some people coming out of a pub fairly drunk and could progress into them beating some one up because the person looked at them funny or said something. Then the next part of the add could have the same people leaving a house were they have been smoking cannabis and they run into the same person they beat up in the previous add but this time they have a laugh and a joke with them. At the end of the first add there could be a voice over saying something like Alcohol causes more & more assaults and deaths every year and on the second adds voice over could state the fact that cannabis doesn't cause fights and has never killed any one. I was a little stoned when i had this idea so sorry if its stupid lol. Then at the very end it could say Alcohol more dangerous than cannabis.... Vote to legalise cannabis.... Everyone let me know what you think.

demonangel :rasta:

OH MY GOSH!!!!

Me and my freinds said forever that we should go to holland for a weekend and film the alcohol v cannabis, how mad is that!!!! It would be great to get it down to 10 minutes so it can go on youtube.

regarding the march, i know there are a few campaigners in north wales, prehaps between you you could arrange something?

i know that local papers DO tend to print cannabis stuff, they enjoy it! So you could just do the "old blag" call up the paper and say next year on May
5th there will be a cannabis march through......... whatever town/city. Register it on the global marijuana march website, so people know its on.

ask your local head shop, and grow shop plus music shops or other toker frindly outlets, to put up a poster.

the poster can just say:

Global Marijuana March

May 5th 2007

Join the world protest for cannabis legalisation

Starting at ............................ at 10 am

Finishing at .............................. with a small gathering in the park

although you should call the police and council.......if you are NOT organising it, its not up to you, the police and council will hear about it, they cannot really stop it, but dont hold your hands up and say, i organised this but didnt tell you, instead say, i wonder who organised this fabulous event, and giggle.

for you can have a march and people will come, and not much effort but lots of gossip will ensure people turn out.

and in the worst case senario, you get there and no one else has made it, just keep on walking and plan better for next time ;)

elsie haze

12-06-2006, 11:24 AM

give them a week or so!

also if they say they support medical use if they feel it is necesary for medical users to face prison for their chice of medication.

i feel we have to be strong, the prohibitionists are digging away to make cannabis sound bad, two years ago nearly every mp supported reclassification and so did the police, we need to find evidence that cannabis does not cause phycosis, i'll be a guinea pig, as long as i dont have to smoke soap xx

Pezzo

12-06-2006, 12:23 PM

took me 2 weeks to get a reply but i got one (Andrew Gorge)
cant spell his name soz

demonangel2_uk

12-06-2006, 02:23 PM

I had a reply through the mail today. A 3 page letter came this morning in the mail. first page was a letter from Mick Bates AM. It said:

Thanks for your email yesterday regarding the legalization of cannabis in the UK. I have enclosed a copy of the Liberal Democrats Policy Briefing on the subject for your information. I hope it will be useful to you.

If i you need anything further, please don't hesitate to contact me again.

MICK BATES AM
Montgomery shire

That is what the letter said. The liberal democrats policy briefing dated January 2005 was enclosed and is 2 pages long. I am going to try an get it scanned. But if i cant find a scanner i will type it in to a post. So keep an eye out here when i get a chance i will post it. Basically they admit Prohibition doesn't work but concerning legalization they seem to tend to lean towards decriminalization allowing cannabis users not to be arrested for using and carrying cannabis also they are in favour of allowing cannabis users to grow there own plants unto 3 plants. To take cannabis out of the illegal drug trade.
I will type the document into word later then copy and paste it onto here for everyone to have a read. Hopefully have more reply s like this. I thinking if they have these views we maybe can get them to make a speech at a legalization event of some kind. Here is his email if any one ells wants to email him: [email protected]
i will email him back later to thank him for his rapid reply.Does anyone think it is worth asking him about if he or one of his party members would consider making a speech during the next march?

demonangel2 :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-06-2006, 02:37 PM

Sorry but confusion has struck. I read it was 20th July 2007 but on a post above it says 5th of May. When is the actual date so i can change posts i have made in various places.

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

12-06-2006, 06:18 PM

2007 Global Marijuana March
Saturday, May 5

152 cities have signed up

brilliant news from lib dems, i know who i will vote for xxx

elsie haze

12-06-2006, 09:52 PM

demon angel

have heard there are more marches due june-july

i'll post it when i know but official global march is may 5th

demonangel2_uk

12-06-2006, 09:57 PM

I also will be voting for them next time. I was quite pleasantly surprised getting a reply in the mail and even more surprised to find out they wernt against cannabis. i am just about to go type the other 2 pages out on word then copy and paste here. Also lets me keep a copy on my HD just in case i lose the printed out copy i received. I will post it later hopefully might take me a while to type it out though.

demonangel :rasta:

PS. Cheers for update on the dates.

demonangel2_uk

12-07-2006, 12:56 AM

After reading the 2 pages of the Lib Dems policy again i aint to sure if its good or bad. You decide. It took me an hour & half to type this so hope its informative let me know if it indeed is good or bad. LOL. Bit stoned at the mo so i will post it in its own post after this one k.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

demonangel2_uk

12-07-2006, 12:59 AM

Her they are happy reading. LOL.

Honesty, Realism, Responsibility

Liberal Democrat Policy Briefing 10

January 2005

Drug Law Reform

The proabitionist approach to drugs over the last year has not worked. According to the 2003 British Crime Survey, 12% of adults took an illegal drug in the previous year and 3% took a Class A drug. This means there are four million drug users & a million hard drug users in the UK. The number of heroin addicts in the UK is estimated to be over a quarter of a million. Aside from the health and social problems drug abuse creates for the users themselves, hard drugs are a huge factor in causing other crimes. It has been estimated drug related property crime accounts for stolen goods of over Â£2 billion in value.
Liberal Democrats believe the current emphasis on criminal sanctions for users actually makes the problem worse: It exacerbates the adverse consequences of drug use; it brings many young people, who would otherwise be law-abiding , into contact with both the criminal world and criminal justice system; it undermines more promising strategies for minimizing harmful drug use; and diverts large public resources witch could be better employed elsewhere.
Liberal Democrats believe the time has come to reform the approach to drugs policy, so there is an intelligent range of responses, with the emphasis on education, treatment for addiction and harm reduction strategies rather than blanket prohibition, but retaining criminal sanctions were justified.

We would take a honest, realistic and responsible to the drugs policy by:

1 Establishing a standing drugs commission to advise on drugs policy, with a remit extended to cover legal substances such as alcohol, solvents and tobacco. The commission would keep the classification of cannabis (along with other drugs) under review in the light of new scientific evidence as it emerged.

2 Requiring the drugs commission to also carry out regular audits of drugs policy, starting immediately, and with major reports every five years. The drugs commission would draw on the expertise of the National Audit Office in conducting the audit.

3 Seeking a Europe-Wide review of drugs policy every five years.

4 Calling for a review of the current 1988 UN Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances to allow more flexible policy.

Liberal Democrats would brake the links between cannabis use & organized crime by:

1 Maintaining the classification of cannabis as class c in the short term, issuing policy guidance that is not in the public interest to prosecute individuals for possession of cannabis for their own use, cultivation of small numbers of cannabis plants for there own use, or social supply of cannabis.

2 Permitting medical use of cannabis derivatives, subject to appropriate pharmaceutical controls and the successful conclusion of clinical trials.

3 In the longer term, seeking to put the supply of cannabis on a legal, regulated basis, subject to securing necessary renegotiations of the UN Conventions.

Liberal Democrats would reform unnecessary and counter productive criminal penalties by:

1 Ending the use of imprisonment as a punishment for possession for own use of illegal drugs of any class. Drug addicts wherever possible should be in treatment & not in prison unless they have committed other serious crimes (e.g. robbery to feed a crack cocaine habit) in witch prison must retain an option.

2 Reclassifying Ecstasy from class A to class B to reflect the fact it is less harmful than heroin & cocaine, but not reclassifying it further unless recommended by the Drugs Commission subject to evidence on long term health effects.

3 Amending of the misuse of drugs act 1971 as recommended by the report of the independent inquiry into the Act chaired by Dame Ruth Runciman, so that occupiers or managers of premises only commit a crime if they knowingly and willfully permit the supply or production of illegal drugs on those premises.

Liberal Democrats would promote a more effective policy to reduce drug dependency and its adverse consequences by:

1 Extending the use of drug treatment and testing as an alternative to other criminal sanctions.

2 Developing specialist heroin treatment clinics were heroin or heroin substitutes can be administered under controlled conditions, with other medical treatment and testing, and counseling and withdrawal programs available.

Liberal Democrats would crack down on illegal drug trafficking and drug affected driving by:

1 Introducing a new offence of `dealing` as recommended by the Runciman report to allow more effective action against those proved to be supplying illegal drugs over long periods of time.

2 Allowing the selling of drugs near schools, psychiatric facilities and other sensitive locations to be an aggravating factor in sentencing, as recommended by Runciman.

3 Launching a public information campaign on the dangers of drug affected driving, and encouraging the police to carry out roadside sobriety testing of suspected unfit drivers when appropriate.......

hope you can make seance of it it made seance when i read it the first time but not the second. Must be the green ime smoking lol. Bye for now.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

elsie haze

12-07-2006, 10:37 AM

Liberal Democrats would brake the links between cannabis use & organized crime by:

1 Maintaining the classification of cannabis as class c in the short term, issuing policy guidance that is not in the public interest to prosecute individuals for possession of cannabis for their own use, cultivation of small numbers of cannabis plants for there own use, or social supply of cannabis.

2 Permitting medical use of cannabis derivatives, subject to appropriate pharmaceutical controls and the successful conclusion of clinical trials.

3 In the longer term, seeking to put the supply of cannabis on a legal, regulated basis, subject to securing necessary renegotiations of the UN Conventions.

thats the bit what counts!

nice, very nice indeed, grow use and socially share weed without arrest, and the hope of full legalisation, i like it.

elsie haze

12-07-2006, 10:41 AM

3 Launching a public information campaign on the dangers of drug affected driving, and encouraging the police to carry out roadside sobriety testing of suspected unfit drivers when appropriate.......

dunno about this though, lots of testing needed cannabis can stay in your system for up to 3 months! thats a long time not driving after a smoke, lol.

i suppose like drink driving you would have to have a certain percentage in the breath or blood, if it just went on having a trace in the system...well

it might be more environmentally freindly with 6 million tokers using public transport, or better................

bikes, like the dutch, a daily protest, lol

everydayrockstar

12-07-2006, 09:57 PM

Just moved to chelsea, looking for a new connect desperately. any help?

demonangel2_uk

12-11-2006, 12:56 PM

elsie haze

12-12-2006, 09:36 AM

Sorry i haven't posted for a few days. Because a good m8 of mine died on Saturday morning and i haven't been feeling to good since. i will post again shortly. Any new ideas out there?? hopefully getting my Xmas stash on Friday least some things get better. Catch you all later.

demonangel :rasta:

pass the joint lol :joint1:

HI MATE

SO SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR LOSS, WE TOO LOST A GOOD PAL LAST MONTH, IT IS REALLY HARD TO DEAL WITH. THINGS WILL GET BETTER THOUGH.

I HAVE JUST VEEN WAITING FOR POSTS BUT MOSTLY FOLLOWING THE THC4MS TRIAL DUE TO END WEDNESDAY BUT EXTENDED.

IT SEEMS TO BE GOING WELL BUT TAKING ITS TOLL ON LEZ WHO HAS MS

HAVE A BIG TOOT IN MEMORY OF YOUR MATE, IN THE GARDEN WITH A CANDLE.

HUGS

ELSIE

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 02:54 PM

Yet another reply from mps this time from Plaid Cymru. Received today. Here is the email:

Thank you for your e-mail.

Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales passed a motion in the Conference of
2001 on legalising cannabis.
We called for the discrimination of the use of cannabis for medicinal
purposes once a sufficient evidence base has proven efficacy and an
appropriate treatment protocol developed as a model; and for the
decriminalisation of cannabis for recreational use for purchase from
registered licensed premises, thereby cutting the supply line of
cannabis from illegal drug dealers.

Also we would like to see a complementary and comprehensive public
awareness campaign about the inherent dangers of cannabis use,
including
information of the highly carcinogenic qualities of the substance.

Best Wishes

Jill Evans MEP

I will keep posting them as and when i recieve them.

demonangel :rasta:

winstone

12-12-2006, 03:00 PM

Hi just been reading this thread, and decided to join the forum, because of this..

demonangel2_uk Thats an excellent reply from Jill Evens.

Elsie Haze great to see you on this site as well...

Great work.

winnie

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 03:01 PM

Her is another email i received Saturday but as i received the news of my friend on the same day it slipped my mind until i got round to reading it this morning. here is the email:

Thank you for your message addressed to Nick Bourne AM seeking his views on the legalisation of cannabis.

Nick is opposed to a blanket legalisation of this drug although he is aware there is evidence that it can relieve pain incurred by certain medical conditions.

If the authorities recommend that cannabis be legalised for these medical conditions Nick will certainly support this.

I hope this answers your question.

Best wishes.

Paul Morris

Group Administrator

Welsh Conservative Group

National Assembly for Wales

The emails keep coming.

demonangel :rasta:

winstone

12-12-2006, 04:24 PM

You've done well demonangel2_uk, sorry to hear about your friend.

I got letter from my MP Peter Ainsworth.. Con East Surrey.

It says....

Thank you for your email of the 17th November 2006 regarding the legalisation or decriminalisation of cannabis for recreational use.

A recent United Nations Report has said that cannabis is now considerably more potent than a few decades ago and that it was a mistake to dismiss it as a "soft" and relatively harmless drug. It said that the harmful characteristics of cannabis are no longer different from those of plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin.

The downgrading of cannabis sent out the message that it was pretty harmless and may have encouraged youngsters to take it up. It is vital that we have strong and effective measures waring children of the dangers of drugs devoid of any confusion.

I believe that the Governments seriously confused course of action on cannabis has let to chaos and confusion in the enforcement of drug laws.
This in turn has led to a continuing failure to reduce this dangerous threat to lives.

http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?t=1942

Keep up those e-mails as I've not seen such a positive response in ages...

winnie

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 04:27 PM

the image reaper . i read an earlier post of yours think it was on the first page of this thread. Just thought i would ask Who said cannabis users don't vote. I have smoked weed for many years and i have always voted and almost every one i know to smoke weed votes at every election. Saying smokers don't vote is like saying people who enjoy smoking cigarettes and people who enjoy a drink in the pub don't vote. So saying people who smoke weed don't vote is not true. To every one on this thread. Do you vote???? I find it totally hard to believe that pot smokers don't vote. I also think the government should have this info brought to there attention. The longer they keep it illegal the more and more votes they will lose from the weed smokers of the country. Last night i read somewhere the the government also are planing to reclassify cannabis back up to class b any one know if this is true. Any info please post.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

:joint1:

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 04:38 PM

thanks for your condolences towards the loss of my friend. I appreciated it thanks. Also thanks for praise of my results from the mps although there not needed. My friend also was a weed user and had been most his life. He was all for the legalization cause also. He will be really missed my every one that knew him and he would be proud to know that people are and will still continue to keep fighting for the legalization of cannabis.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

AlunB3

12-12-2006, 04:51 PM

Having worked with a political party (until recently) - the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, one of our aims was to get tokers to vote for our LCA candidates. I must say that whilst campaigning on the streets, we saw a great deal of support, but this was never really reflected by the number of votes. Certainly a lot of people that we spoke with were not even registered.

Of course one cannot generalise I guess we can only ask the tokers themselves.

I was 42 before I ever used my vote, simply because I did not feel any of the candidates represented my interests especially regarding cannabis (that was 1992).

Then a group or people in Norwich formed a campaign group and planned to put up candidates; although they did not stand in 1992, my interest in voting led me to vote for the first time.

The second time was for Howard Marks in 1997 and I've voted ever since. In 1999 the Legalise Cannabis Alliance was formed as a registered party and started standing under that name with the leaf as emblem on the ballot paper; in Norwich we were fortunate enough to have cannabis candidates most years. LCA fought over 80 elections since. But this year in November we voted to de-register as a party.

Looking at it like this: if 10% of adults toke, most of those where LCA stood must have not voted, not been regsitered, or voted for another candidate. Although in local elections, LCA gained up to 8%, in the parliamentary elections it was usually well under 5%

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 05:43 PM

Penn & teller Bullshit war on drugs. Thought this was very informative at the same time being quite funny.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3653114296815352489&q=Bullshit%21+The+War+on+Drugs&hl=en#

What do you all think????

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

12-12-2006, 06:55 PM

hi demon angel, winstone and alunb3....

gosh you lot have all been on it today, and i have been at work...boo ooo.

i am going to post the thc4ms trial on the medi pages for those who want a read.

demon angel, nice one on the letters, good to see whats happening.

had any plans for a project yet?

i wondered if we could find a dutch person with a camcorda who could make the advert regarding cannabis cafes and pubs we discussed? prehaps we should ask on here, being world wide?

all the best, hope today got easier.

love elsie xx

demonangel2_uk

12-12-2006, 09:50 PM

Sorry to say i have nothing planed i am hoping some one from either Shrewsbury or Aberystwyth or Welshpool or even Newtown maybe might have some ideas. As i stated before i aint good at organising anything. I might have a good idea now and then but putting the ideas into motion just isn't something ime good at at all. So if any one here is from either Shrewsbury, Welshpool or Newtown or some of the other surrounding areas please post here and maybe we could try and do something. Any ideas would be welcome. I know Mid Wales is full of weed users hopefully the ones that are not to scared to speak out will try and do something. But ime not going to hold my breath though. I will just have to try and make it to one of the already arranged marches. Do you have to register to take part in one of these marches if so how would i go about it????? I would really love to get involved on the day even if it is just handing out leaflets to public on lookers during the march would be something or maybe something ells on the day. On to another subject. I was a little surprised today when i looked through my PCs bookmarks about 80% of them have something to do with cannabis & legalization. I was actually quite surprised even more surprised that most of them wernt even on the list until after finding this thread. Plus the forum on the LCA website. The 2 sites have really inspired me i think. Just hope they inspires every one ells who come across these 2 excellent sites. I try to remember to post links to here and the LCA site everywhere i go on-line if they arnt already posted that is. A m8 called round today to tell me that him, his girlfriend & his Dad are going to Amsterdam in May next year around the 3rd so he wouldn't be able to attend any marches with me on the 5th. I said it was a shame but told him not to worry about it. i told him about our m8 who die and he like me couldn't believe it at first.He has even offered to spread his ashes in one of the canals around the city because both of us know that's what he wanted. I wanted to do it myself but cant afford to get there. My m8 always wanted to move to Amsterdam so its only fitting he should be put to rest there. He said he would do it on the 5th of May....

Got to go a m8 is cooking me something to eat down stairs because i haven't eaten since Saturday & haven't got any smoke to build up my apatite so not sure if i will eat anything much. Suppose i will have to since he is making the effort to cook for me. He never usually does things like that. So i will catch every one later.

demonangel :rasta:

demonangel2_uk

12-14-2006, 02:17 AM

Thank you for your e-mail regarding my Parties views on cannabis.

My colleagues and I continue to oppose the classification of cannabis
as
a class C drug. We believe that there is too much conflicting evidence
to deem cannabis as a safe drug as maybe suggested by the
re-classification.

Further my colleagues and I are concerned that cannabis can act as a
gateway to harder drugs. By taking away the stigma and punishment
involved in taking cannabis we are putting more and more people at risk
of taking more dangerous and addictive drugs. We have welcomed the
government's willingness to spear head a new advertisement and
information campaign however, the fact that they have not taken the
decision to re-classify cannabis as a class B drug makes it largely
self
defeating.

Thank you for your questions on this issue and if you have any other
queries on this or any other subject then do not hesitate in contacting
me.

Yours sincerely,

Jonathan Evans MEP (Wales)
Chairman of the Delegation for Relations with the U.S.

Not very good one this time but its a reply all the same.

demonangel :rasta:

Pezzo

12-14-2006, 11:57 AM

^^^ nob, what do u do wiv ppl like that??? how dou convincem em otherwise

elsie haze

12-14-2006, 12:55 PM

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/medi-cannabis/#detail

elsie haze

12-15-2006, 06:16 PM

:sadcrying:

thc4ms were found guilty today, will be sentanced jan 29th

:chainsaw:
the judge was evil, demanding a guilty verdict

:Tomcat:
its war

what did the little plant ever do
:weedpoke:

Pezzo

12-15-2006, 07:06 PM

[quote=elsie haze]:sadcrying:
thc4ms were found guilty today, will be sentanced jan 29th

y?

muffinman

12-15-2006, 09:16 PM

i haven't been here for a while sorry i was real busy on research, but i was just thinking the people are the government so, we have the right to make anything legal and from what i heard about thc4ms I'm now angry, its now time, time for freedom time for our voice to be heard, the time is now, I'll be back with more info in a couple of days or so.

MastaChronic

12-15-2006, 11:14 PM

do you know tha muffin man?
the muffin man?
the muffin man?
oh do you know tha muffin man who lives on drury lane?

elsie haze

12-17-2006, 10:49 PM

do you know tha muffin man?
the muffin man?
the muffin man?
oh do you know tha muffin man who lives on drury lane?

no, does he sell hash cakes, lol

secretgarden

12-17-2006, 11:27 PM

I don't like that idea...sorry

better idea: start saving ALL of you seeds and spread/plant them on 420. Give it a couple months and we will have overgrown the earth.

I am personally fond of that idea. if we overgrow and plant everywhere it will be a little to time consuming for the law to stop and pull every plant they find.

Not fond of the putting stickers everywhere, it will just create the stereotype that we are nothing but a bunch of mindless vandels.

Here's one instead of the million man march, let's meet up in DC itself and light a million joints :jointsmile: at exactly 4:20 local time. There's no way they can possibly bust a million people for smoking at the same time. . . is there? If anything we can for surely get the entire city stoned for a day :rastasmoke:

BlueCat

12-17-2006, 11:53 PM

This has already been posted I am sure but it is worth a repeat in fact writing your public officials should be mandatory for membership to this site!!
I have been an active member of MPP for 3 years now and it is easy you just keep sending emails.

It is so easy now they show you who to write and even help you step by step.

Urge your legislators to end your state's failed war on marijuana!!!

Arresting and jailing adults for using marijuana has completely failed as a public policy, while wasting about $7.7 billion each year. In November 2006, 44% of Nevada voters endorsed a proposal to tax and regulate marijuana, tying the all-time record highest vote for a complete end to marijuana prohibition and demonstrating the continued growth of public support.

Please, ask your legislator to bring the reform to your state by proposing legislation to regulate marijuana.

Here is what the basic letter says you just click on what state you are in and it will take you to this form letter and show you the names of your state reps.

Marijuana prohibition has completely failed as a public policy. Despite more than 750,000 marijuana arrests annually, roughly 41% of Americans have tried marijuana. And roughly 85% of all teens report very easy or fairly easy access to marijuana each year. Any policy that fails this miserably should be reconsidered.

The Netherlands has done just that: In 1976, it replaced marijuana prohibition with the sale of marijuana on a regulated market. Policymakers sought to break the gateway from marijuana to hard drugs â?? figuring the stigma associated with the criminal market and the market itself were the gateways. And the policy has worked far better than the U.S. policy of prohibition. After 30 years, the Netherlands has a far lower marijuana use rate than the U.S. â?? and their hard drug use rate is even lower. In 2001, 3.0% of Dutch nationals were current marijuana users, while 5.4% of Americans were; and 0.4% of Dutch nationals had tired heroin, while 1.4% of Americans had.

Marijuana prohibition simply doesnâ??t make sense: It hasnâ??t worked, itâ??s wasted a fortune, and itâ??s destroyed otherwise law-abiding adultsâ?? lives simply for using a substance that is no more harmful than tobacco or alcohol. Itâ??s time to stop pouring our tax dollars into a failed policy.

Please let me know whether you will support ending marijuana prohibition. Thank you for considering this information. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the issue.

http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIsG/b.1086497/k.BF78/Home.htm

elsie haze

12-20-2006, 10:24 AM

if only i lived in usa! just to sign the letter....

uk is crazy at the moment, the law says cannabis is a class c for medical use, yet people r being charged as crimnals for using cannabis as a medicine.

i believe cannabis is a prevetative medicine, i dont know many recreational users who visit their doctor oftern...

free the weed worldwide = worldwise

muffinman

12-22-2006, 11:56 AM

so you know, the muffin man, the muffin man he bakes pot muffins as fast as he can. he he he the muffin man, i do have blue berry muffins

BlueCat

12-23-2006, 12:38 AM

I want a blueberry muffin......I thought you were going to post more info..Mr. Muffin?

Where is the the muffin man the muffin man the muffin man he left this thread as fast as he can oh where oh where is the muffin man? :D

Pancakes & Apple and waffles on the side...damn I am hungry.

elsie haze

12-24-2006, 11:47 AM

sod muffins, well actually no, dont sod muffins, but flipping heck,

have you ever in your life experianced a weed hangover...

not possible right....

wrong.....

SATIVEX

say no more....;)

merry crimbo everyone on this very active thread, hope 2007 is our year.

elsie xx:D

Abattoir Dream

12-24-2006, 02:58 PM

fuck yeh im in....4 sure...:)

muffinman

12-25-2006, 09:02 AM

2007 baby yeah our year and to start it off i have a gift for everyone in this thread spot " start the revolution" this gift is the best gift

Blueberry muffins for everyone

and also this one http://www.spursreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64383

i'll post info on the blueberry for everyone tomorrow.

elsie haze

12-25-2006, 01:19 PM

:noel: :joint1: :rastabong: :bonghit: :areindeer: :yippee: :clap: :p :thumbsup: :stoned: :rasta: :rastasmoke:

MERRY CRIMBO EVERYONE!!!

I AM LOVING XMAS TODAY, LOTS OF PREZZIES AND LOTS OF FRIENDS LOTS OF FUN AND LOTS OF TOOTERING TO BE HAD, HAVE A FABULOUS DAY EVERY1

AND JUST TO KEEP TOPICAL, HERES A REPLY I HAD A WHILE BACK, SPEAKS FOR ITSELF??

on 23rd august i wrote to my mp as the media reported upto 13 children a (day, week? cant remember) are taken to hospital because of alcohol.
I asked my mp in comparrison how many people were admitted through cannabis, i also mentioned the plight of THC4MS and my usual legaise cannabis comments.

Today i recieved my reply dated 3rd Oct from caroline flint (department of hell, sorry health)

The first part of the letter stating how there is sympathy for those with ms and other illnesses cannabis will not be legalised in its raw form and they can expect results in spring 2006 for a medical treatment.

(The letter is EXACTLY the same as those i have had from MEP etc etc over the last two years, the letter is pretty standard, and I am sure you all get the same one too, so i wont write it word for word, its the same old crap)
But at the end it does say.

I will now turn to elsies specific (LIKE THE THC4MS BIT WAS NOT SPECIFIC?? BUT ANYWAYS) query about the number of cannabis users admited to hospital as compared to those who have drunk alcohol.

We do not have a total number of admissions of which cannabis or alcohol missuse may have been a factor, for example in causing accidents. However as the minister of state Rosie Winterton informed the house of commons on 18th July statistics have been collected on the number of admissions under mental illness specialities with a primary diagnosis of a mental or behavioural disorder due to phycoactive substance abuse or poisoning caused by drugs.
The figures for alcohol and cannabis are shown in a table below.

2001 -2002
cannabis 580 admissions:rastasmoke:
alcohol 11470 admissions:(

2002-2003
cannabis 580 admissions:rastasmoke:
alcohol 11700 admissions:confused:

2003-2004
cannabis 710 admissions:rastasmoke:
alcohol 11280 admissions:(

figures for 2002-2003 2003-2004 have not been ajusted for shortfalls in data and or clinical error therefore data is ungrossed.

Source: hospital episode statistics, NHS Health and Social Care Information Centre.

I hope elsie finds this information helpful

Yours Caroline Flint.

So out of the figure for cannabis, how much is adulterated soap bar? does this say to you what it does to me?
In the letter they state cannabis has a number of acute and chronic health effects, which is why cannabis remains controlled. but the results tell me alcohol is the bigger problem?/

comments, ideas for response, thanks

elsie haze

12-25-2006, 01:22 PM

so cannabis phycosis is how significant, to say alcohol pycosis.....

me thinks this cannabis mental health thing has been blown way out of proportion, propaganda anyone.....??????????

i sent this to every newspaper in the UK, anyone ever seen it mention, i didnt....

so cannabis is bad for your brain? compared to booze....???????

i think not.

dano420

12-26-2006, 04:52 AM

i feel that we need marches 1 every month in every major city with more than 100,000 people in those cities... some states could have 3-4-5 or more marches at the same time... that would get thier attention that we are fighting for our rights to smoke weed. this has to be world wide. every state in usa every city counry canada mexico anywhere there is at least 100,000
people!!!! flyers banners facts chants and yes nice cloths no tee shirts no writing on them... no football nba nhl jerseys just nice sunday church cloths.lets look like professionals!!! we need to try to get in touch with somebody from NORMAL ???? i think if every one set this up 4-6 months ahead it could get done. one weekend a month for 12 months deal with rain sleet snow.. every one tell everyone you know who burns it can workwe must be heard!!!! :rastasmoke:

BlueCat

12-26-2006, 08:16 AM

MastaChronic

12-27-2006, 07:23 PM

dude, in the spring and summer, the weather is perfect for growing weed in oregon, everytime i get a seed in my bag (i might actually start accepting shwag for the seeds) i will plant it in some random spot in the city and i'll get the bud bros in on this too. by the end of summer the city will be covered in cannabis

elsie haze

12-29-2006, 01:15 PM

nice one dude,

happy new year to you, and thanks for making an effort to outgrow your goverment...

TheBudBuster

12-29-2006, 03:56 PM

Just moved to chelsea, looking for a new connect desperately. any help?

Bug Off..

Sorry to hear the bad news.. Keep heads Up..

Things can only get better..

Love
TBB

JJStone

01-05-2007, 10:33 PM

So whats goin down with this revolution thing bro ??

elsie haze

01-06-2007, 08:09 PM

http://www.webcameron.org.uk/blogs/1915-Whats-your-view-on-cannabis--Now-with-music visit here ask david cameron, conservative leader uk, about cannabis, register to vote or comment

demonangel2_uk

01-10-2007, 12:49 AM

Hi to all sory i havent posted in a while. Hope everyone had a good xmas & a good new year to all. I have been having all sorts of personal probs latly but im hoping there all out the way now. i will go read some posts that have been made since i last posted. before i post anything els. k. Catch u all later.

demonangel :rasta:

Buddha Man

01-10-2007, 04:26 AM

where do i find such stickers guy?

demonangel2_uk

01-10-2007, 05:14 AM

That is how i spent xmas. I bought so much green & so much solid i had one hell of a good xmas what about all you? Cant wait till i can get some more now ran out yesterday. Sob Sob. Wont get money now till a week friday so i most probally will have get some on tic from my m8 If he has any left that is. I hope it wont be a scares this year. Its a bit of a pain having to travel 20 or 30 miles just to get green or solid. I am hoping for a better year for dope this year. Any more news on legalization????? Any more ideas???? I hate not having any smoke its 5:15am here and i am wide awake. Imsomnia is a bitch. lol. Must go now havent checked my email since xmas eve lol. Wonder how much junk mail i will have.

demonangel :rasta:

ZeldaG.

01-10-2007, 12:47 PM

wicke thread cant talk much cos ran out of time (it took forever to read)
Lol anyway i been planning to outgrow the government ages ago, but with clones as well as seeds, i mean i am seriously planning to do alot of london's outskirts, like guerrila grows but not really so much grows as let it grow and jsut go back to nurshiring my personal grows while the other ones I will just keep as wild growing plants, maybe looking in on them when i am nearby and stuff... Hopefully they breed and stuff (naturaly) and spread to places i dont even know. Itll be sick...

But all the letters and stuff got m e interested i just need to go. speek to ya all later

demonangel2_uk

01-11-2007, 01:29 AM

I am planing on growing out doors this year. Me and a m8 have loads of seeds we have been collecting from green we have bought over last year & the amount we smoke means we have shit loads of seeds.lol. We plan on traveling around our area planting them in various places and just see how they do. Wish i could grow indoors again but my mother said she is moving in so the room were i used to cupboard grow will become her bedroom. I cant exactly say she cant move in since i live in my mum & dads house i don't have much choice in it. I pay them rent to live hear. Loads cheaper than renting from the council or private accommodation organizations. Still haven't got any green to smoke at the moment. My m8 said he wont have any till the 15th. What a shitter. So i will have to go with out. Sob. Sob.:sadcrying i was offered a bit of solid today. But it was the oily crap thats been going round for ages. You cant even get stoned off it. Just gives you a headache i don't think there is even any resin in it. Not exactly sure what it has in it but i am sure its not cannabis. I will see is someone els i know has any luck as he travels to Telford to get his green. He said he will tic me a half oz if he gets enough. We need legalization now so its totally available everywhere at all times.

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

01-11-2007, 11:00 PM

still cracking on heres a reply, (told you they got bored when you write more than 5 times a year) lol lol :mad: i replied to his very short messages asking if he is going to do anything....still waiting for a reply....:(

Dear elsie

Thank you for your email.

I have noted the points you make.

Yours sincerely

Bill Olner MP

Monday 8 January 2007

Dear Bill Olner,

I would like to draw your attention to this information,
www.cannaprag.net/comment/070101.htm
it is clear even in our town in the midlands there is a high risk that people could be effected by this contamination of cannabis with glass, I urge you to
discuss this in parliament and ask how the government will deal with
this dangerous contamination of cannabis, I know of three MS sufferers
in our town, all of whom may be effected by this, since the prosecution
of THC4MS, of whom I have previously mentioned to you, I also would like
to register my disgust at the treatment of THC4MS over the last two
years.

Yours sincerely,

elsie

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psychocat

01-11-2007, 11:56 PM

I suggest a blanket guerilla cannabis grow,everyone who tokes gets as many seeds together as they can and they just throw them everywhere.
Come summer the authorites would have thier hands full and some would survive and adapt to growing wild.
Do it every year and in five years there would be so much growing wild that they would have to admit defeat :D

demonangel2_uk

01-15-2007, 02:24 AM

Is there any more info concerning marches and any other protests going on this year? I want to atend a couple at least. Also i cant wait till friday so i can have a smoke. Still trying to get some weed. Had a few Js at my m8s house Saturday but thats it. There is only one person i know that has any and he wont do lay-ons to anyone. SOD... I would if i had it & they were desperate. Also whats this legal bud stuff???? Is it any good or is it crap ?????? i hasvent seen or tried it before but some people say its ok. Is that true?????? Some how i think if it was any good the goverment would make it ilegal Just like the real stuff. Anyone tried it???? Let me know.

demonangel :rasta:

elsie haze

01-16-2007, 06:20 PM

there is a small protest in Carlisle on Jan 26th (friday) at 10am, to support THC4MS who will be sentanced that day.

There is also a demo planned for Granny Pat (grannyeatscannabis) Tambram in March.

There is going to be a legalisation float at Notting hill carnival

the LCA is planning a series of events from may-november all over the Uk, meetings and music events.

there is the weedworld hemp expo in may up north somewhee, telford maybe, have a look at weedworlds website.

and if you are buying weed please see this Cannabis Contamination Catastrophe... - Edot forums (http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10283)

love elsie xx

elsie haze

01-23-2007, 06:43 PM

Wales this week investigation into the cannabis contamination.

Part 1 - YouTube - ITV Wales - Wales This Week - Contaminated Cannabis - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_-Hf0NXMNU)
Part 2 - YouTube - ITV Wales - Wales This Week - Contaminated Cannabis - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8QNeU-B3Kk)

Have a look.

also this week david cameron said he'd free the weed for medical use, prehaps people power works, i think lots of people have been on his site.

demonangel2_uk

01-24-2007, 10:28 PM

cheers for the info.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

elsie haze

01-28-2007, 08:42 PM

two short films of the thc4ms court case friday

Therapeutic Help from Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis THC4MS (http://thc4ms.org/articledisplay.php?id=260107BBCLookNorth)

Therapeutic Help from Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis THC4MS (http://thc4ms.org/articledisplay.php?id=260107BBCOneOClockNews)

try not to get choked by lezleys emotion. it was a very emotional time, and many reporters were also seen in tears after talking to lez
__________________

and video on grit weed
Part 1 - YouTube - ITV Wales - Wales This Week - Contaminated Cannabis - Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_-Hf0NXMNU)
Part 2 - YouTube - ITV Wales - Wales This Week - Contaminated Cannabis - Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8QNeU-B3Kk)

Have a look.

demonangel2_uk

02-02-2007, 12:26 AM

I cant belive it. There isnt any green again. Something has to be done about this. Its realy starting to piss me off now. I cant get any again. Its geting realy depresing now i get paid tomorow but everyone i know cant get anything apart from speed & i dont want that i just dont know what to do any more its just unbeliveable. It always used to be so easy to get here now its amost imposible i cant belive its got this bad. Elsie i watched all the video post links you posted. Very good ime glad to here that the THC4MS didnt goto prison although they shouldnt have been arested or gone to court in the first place as far as ime concerned. Ime glad they didnt go down. Very glad for them. I myself may be in court before to long as well. but nothing to do with cannabis just ow loads of banks money and as ime not working at present have no way of paying them so they are taking me to court. What they think they will achieve is beyond me as it still doesent change the fact that i havent got a job so i still havent got any money to pay them. lol. Any how must dash se ya all later.

demonangel :rastasmoke:

elsie haze

02-04-2007, 09:55 AM

YouTube - THC4MS Cannabis Medicine

I think this glass contamination is a lot more sinister now.

the drought started when there was lots of busts,

then we had a high security alert and any import stopped.

the glass grass is contaminated, maybe by the government, with the hope everyone will just give up, they are not educating people, not even kids that this stuff is dangerous, why is that? all they say is "cannabis is illegal so if you dont smoke it you are not at risk"

so now the uk is becomming self sufficient, the only safe cannabis is that which has been grown by someone you know and trust,

most uk growers are self sufficient (that means they grow just enough to support themselves) when home growers begin to sort their mates out, well they dont have enough, soon all those self sufficient growers will run out of their own supply, meaning they have to go out to score, or plant more next time.

some people grow to profit, but most of the biggies have been busted, meaning the shortage is vast.

the simple solution would be growing your own, if everyone did there wouldnt be a shortage, and if someone ran out they could lend some until the next crop is due,

there is a petition on the downing street petition page to grow your own, sign it.

its getting serious, if you wanna smoke you need to fight for the right.

or you could give up for a while, we all know its not addictive,

but then if you have MS, or another horrid illness, you need it regardless.

GOVERNMENTS LISTEN ALLOW A LICENCE FOR PERSONAL GROWING OF CANNABIS NOW, OR RISK THE DEATH OF HUNDREDS OF USERS WHEN THEY GET SILCOSIS OF THE LUNGHS IN A FEW YEARS.

I WONDER IF CANNABIS USERS WITH SILICOSIS CAN SUE THE GOVERNMENT UNDER NON DUTY OF CARE?

elsie haze

02-04-2007, 10:01 AM

SPECIAL OFFER, THIS MONTH ONLY, JOIN THE LEGALISE CANNABIS FOR Â£10 INSTEAD OF Â£24.

WE WANRT AS MANY PRO CANNABIS SUPPORTERS TO GET BEHIND US AND MAKE SOME NOISE.

!
Source: Plymouth Herald, January 27 2007
A musician who suffers from crippling pain which he says is only relieved by smoking marijuana has challenged police to arrest
him. A few years ago Stuart Wyatt (pictured right) was a successful violinist with Irish/Celtic rock bands like Mad Dog Mcrea and
Black Friday. He would earn good money playing for bands, busking in Paris, producing his own material. Now he lives on
income support, isolated in his room in a house in Morice Town.
Stuart has now openly said he will not only use herbal cannabis to combat the effects of his as-yet undiagnosed condition, but will
supply the illegal drug to sufferers of ME - often known as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome - and Multiple Sclerosis.
If arrested and charged, he could face a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison.
Plymouth's top policeman, Chief Superintendent Morris Watts, said that while he sympathised with Stuart and his condition, the
law did not allow anyone, under any circumstances, to supply cannabis.
Stuart said: "I am not a criminal. But I have to act like one, behave like one, deal with real criminals. I worry about the knock at
the door." His stance follows the sentencing yesterday of three activists, one of whom suffers from MS, in Carlisle for supplying
the class C drug.
The three members of the campaign group Therapeutic Help for Cannabis for Multiple Sclerosis (THC4MS) were handed nine-
Stuart says he is now determined to fight for what he describes is his 'moral right' to self-medicate with the illegal drug.
Though aged just 34, he says he often feels 'like a crippled 80-year-old'.
He added: "I used to have a life. Now I can barely make it into town."
To date, doctors have been unable to accurately diagnose the causes of Stuart's condition, first saying it was 'irritable bowel
syndrome', then 'chronic fatigue syndrome', then possibly MS. He said: "My main symptoms are severe nerve pain, uncontrollable
shaking, loss of co-ordination, loss of balance, numbness in my legs, a stabbing pain in the gut, chronic mental and physical
fatigue and insomnia. "They come and go in waves. During the three years I have been ill, I've been put on some ridiculous
medication - Gabapentin, Amitryptiline, Fluoxetine - I've lost my mind on these drugs. I acted irrationally and I lost a lot of
friends."
He said: "I have known since day one that when I smoke good herbal cannabis, I seem to feel better. I don't hurt as much, I don't
shake as much, I seem to have energy to do things, my body doesn't feel so tired, my mind clears and I can actually think.
Stuart has started his campaign through the forum of the THC4MS website and his own website, as well as by visiting Charles
Cross police station to make his intentions plain. He said: "I asked the officer for legal advice and what were the implications of
what I was proposing to do. They didn't really have an answer - one officer just wished me luck and sent me on my way.
To find out more about Stuart's campaign, visit his website: swyatt.com - Homesite of Stuart Wyatt (Solo String Project) (http://www.swyatt.com)

elsie haze

02-04-2007, 10:04 AM

Results for open petitions matching CANNABIS: ON DDOWNING ST WEB

Reclassify cannabis as a dangerous drug and clearly criminal to use or sell. (6 signatures):S2:
Recognize that cannabis has no negative effect on driving (2 signatures):jointsmile:
allow cannabis users the right to grow cannabis for personal use (120 signatures):S5:
STOP THE PROSECUTION OF MEDICAL PATIENTS WHO USE CANNABIS. (377 signatures):rasta:
Keep cannabis, ecstasy heroin etc illegal (11 signatures):S4:
safeguard the public from the risks of inappropriate use of cannabis by bringing its control and sales within the law. (130 signatures):S5:
initiate a test program whereas cannabis users may purchase upto 5grams in a "coffeeshop" (309 signatures):S5:
remove cannabis and cannabis products from the Misuse of Drugs Act and associated laws (909 signatures):S5:
make cannabis/cannabis based drugs legal and available on NHS prescription to people suffering chronic pain and other ill health. (121 signatures):S5:
Stop moving dangerous killers into open prisons (4 signatures):S5:
legalise cannabis. (2430 signatures):S5:

psychocat

02-04-2007, 01:00 PM

I find it a sign of the times and a puzzle as to why more people are for cannabis legalization than there are people against violent offenders moving to open prisons.
Only 4 bothered to speak out against thugs being kept in soft conditions ????
WTF ? :S4:
We have to stop treating violent offenders like they are the victims and start making prison something people fear not a fuckin' holiday camp.

canuck grower

02-05-2007, 05:25 AM

the organization of marches are used to control us and prevent us from doing something more productive, that would lead to a change.

Marches can serve an important purpose. They can bring publicity to a cause. They can be organised in parallel with other activities or by a specific group for that task, it's not like they take all year.

-c :jointsmile:

TheSmokingMonkey

02-05-2007, 06:19 PM

The fliers are a better idea. Let's not vandalize; that's negative attention, not positive attention.

Another good idea:

Sidewalk chalk. It's completely legal because it's non-permanent (in most cities... you might need to check). You can get a stencil and there is a way to spray-chalk... not sure how to make it but we could figure it out between now and then.

And for God's sake, write letters to your politicians. Please. And your local newspapers.

Pezzo

02-06-2007, 10:55 PM

i stopped talkin, i still read most of it. ill join in again when some action is to be taken so im stil here...

ZeldaG.

02-14-2007, 11:11 AM

seriously so from what i have gathered the lib dems are like proper up for our cause right?

so if thats so than why arnt we doing more to support them, seriously i just need someone like elsie haze to confirm this for me:

if liberal democrats get elected than they will make it legal to grow at home within a year???

if the above is confirmed by someone here (eg: elsie) than i am going out right now to campaign for them and know of many other poeple who will follow.

elsie haze

03-02-2007, 09:34 AM

High everyone,

back from holland, (and what a great time we had to) my brain is overloaded with ideas, i wish and hope some of you may agree so we can get something moving.

first let me ask you a question, how many people do you know that visit holland that disagree with the coffeeshops?

so heres my idea.

when me, colin and os went to the thc4ms trial, we were talking about ways of getting more tokers involved in the campaign, we talked of badges that perhaps didnt have a cannabis leaf on, but was instantly recognisable to others as a sign that you support legalisation, (getting back to the fact loadsa stoners are too paranoid to go on a march, or attend a cannabis event for fear of repercussion, and website growers who would also not go public but would grow private, also people in jobs that may risk job loss for suporting cannabis)

so, how about we get a badge made, perhaps extend it later to tiepins, cuff links and miniture ennamel badges?

a badge that says something like

i wish i lived in holland

or

i love the dutch laws

or

dutch coffeeshops are great

or something similar a slogan rhyming slang whatever.

the badge could have a clog on it/tulip/windmill/cheese.

we could then contact every coffeeshop and ask them to buy a tub of badges to put on the dealers booth, and send them leaflets to give to british citizens.

we could make a new leaflet, called...

so youv'e been to holland, what next?

or we could get a postcard made that could be sent to the government, pre printed, with something like.

dear prime minister, house of lords, home office,

i am currently holidaying in holland, having the freedom to smoke cannabis in coffeeshops is something i would like too see in the uk within the next 12 months, i am sure the Dutch government can help you with this.

or something?

imagine if half the users of a dutch coffeshop came back with a badge or sent a postcard, or joined the lca?

if there is something i realised in holland, everyone wants britain to do the same, and i even met coffeeshop workers who had heard of chris and colins shops and thought we were well on the way, i think it is possible, but we need to target the hundreds of british cannabis users who leave our shores or fly out eveyday from the country to visit holland, maybe we could get a campaign stall in schipol airport, all i do know is this is the best idea i can come up with to gain us lots of support quickly.

maybe we could get people local to airports to check local departures days/times to holland and leaflet those waiting to check in, or even be a welcome home reprasenatitve at a few flights, when the people come through arrivals you could hand out leaflets to those getting off a dutch flight.

everyone on my evening flight from coventry spent the whole 45 minutes talking about getting a smoke, who had bought a grinder etc etc, it was like toker transport to everyones favourite destination.

either i am still stoned, or i am getting close to hitting on a route to sucess?

anyone

elsie haze

03-02-2007, 09:37 AM

re lib dems.

they did reply to someone here saying something like that, so have the greens.

i will aim to get a definitive answer for you asap, give me a week or so and i'll do some more research

apologies that i havent been on board for a while!

elsie xxxx

elsie haze

03-02-2007, 09:39 AM

my only problem with big political parties is they may say they will legalise it, but will they,, and do they have the power once they get the votes?

its a tough call but i'll see what they can PROMISE the canna community.

atb

love elsie xx

elsie haze

03-02-2007, 09:41 AM

http://www.libdems.org.uk/media/documents/policies/10DrugLawReform.pdf

this is an official document from lib dems 2005 hope it helps?

elsie haze

03-02-2007, 09:47 AM

http://www.libdems.org.uk/media/documents/policies/10DrugLawReform.pdf

this is an official document from lib dems 2005 hope it helps?

and green party say...

DU405 Cannabis would be removed from the 1971 Misuse of drugs act. The possession, trade and cultivation of cannabis would be immediately decriminalised, roughly following the Dutch model. The trade in Cannabis would be the subject of a Royal Commission (see below), with a view to establishing a fully legalised, controlled and regulated trade. Small-scale possession of drugs for personal use would be decriminalised. The starting point would be advice to policing authorities to caution rather than prosecute for offences of drug possession for personal use and to refer offenders to the health-care services (see DU411). Subsequently, regulations would be brought forward removing criminal sanctions for simple possession of controlled drugs for personal use. The recommended sentences for small-scale supply would be non-custodial options. The possession of pipes made for the use in connection with smoking of opium would no longer be a criminal offence. A Royal Commission or similar body would be established to review currently controlled drug classifications, within a legalised environment of drug use. This commission would, after wide consultation, consider and recommend frameworks of social, economic and health conditions for drug use and supply.

demonangel2_uk

05-23-2007, 12:49 AM

Hello to one & all. Its been absolutly ages since i posted here because my PC blew up the day after i last posted. I bought a new one 3 days ago. Cost me just under Â£800. It took me ages to save this money. But Ime glad to be back at long last. Cant post much now as ive just got back from working in the local bowling club prepareing Food. Been on my feet since 7am yesterday morning finished at 8pm last night & spent the rest of the night smoking at my m8s. Very stoned now so ime off to bed. I will try & catch up with posts that have been made in my absence shortly before i start posting again. Catch u all later.

demonangel: :rastasmoke:

demonangel2_uk

05-28-2007, 07:17 PM

As i said i have a new PC now. Having teething problems with Vista but apart from that it rocks. Ime trying to score some green as i type waiting for the call to pick it up. Nothing much happening apart from that ah the phone ringing.

My m8s got my green told me to pop round in half an hour. Hurah!! it takes half an hour to walk there so ile shoot of now and pick it up. might pop back soon. lol. see ya later.

demonangel:rastasmoke:

ZeldaG.

05-28-2007, 07:36 PM

enjoy :thumbsup:

hope it aint grit :( , thats all i can get now-a-days

tomm01

07-21-2008, 06:08 AM

*BUMP ity bump bump*

I read the first and last pages of this thread. We NEED TO ORGANISE SOMETHING PEOPLE!!!! You can't say that a march won't work, we need it in the court rooms. That's bullshit, it's just another way to push the load on to other people. Unless your a lawyer....

We need at least one day a year where we will all march world wide. And that badge thing is a good idea elsie! Really good!

shadow218

07-21-2008, 06:17 AM

im telling you, the marijuana march, march for canabis 4/20, washington dc alll day spread the word NOW plenty of time, tell EVERYONE

epilepticme

07-21-2008, 08:02 PM

tomm01

07-27-2008, 10:50 AM

I was thinking if one was so inclined you could grab all your males leaves and make paper out of it. It's very easy. Then you could print the info on that. It would help to show the usefulness of hemp quality paper as well. Write something small at the bottom like, stick this under a light for a year and watch it not go yellow. lol

dano420

08-04-2008, 05:08 AM

THIS POST IS in reply to demonangel2 uk and anybody else who is interested in a march once a month for 12 months !!!! demonangel 2 i live in the usa but this needs to be world wide every place people smoke !!! lets show all of our goverments nomatter where u live people belive in legal buds and legal dispenceries for the sick!!! ect. ect.ect. i want to help in doing this with you!!! i remember a form floating around the internet about the positives of mj. also we pick 1 or 2 people from each state city what ever to help post dates of the march and help us reach NORMAL FROM each place to help spread the word. every one uses my space or u tube we can have some people make up a commercial for the march we post it everywhere on the internet that we can over run the net. i know we can do this and make it into something really BIG!!!!! GET BACK TO ME PLEASE TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE... PEACE BGDADDEE2002 AT THE YAHOOOOOOO :rasta::pimp::smokin::jointsmile::S5::bonghit:

demonangel2_uk

12-14-2008, 12:07 AM

A Big hello to everyone. Ime sory i havnt been here since January. The reason being i had to move away and didnt have acess to a pc. But now ime back living with my mum and i also have a job. Harah!!!

I will be postin again more often. Till i post again see ya all later

demonangel2_uk :rastasmoke:

RastaGanjaMan

12-15-2008, 09:57 AM

Come on start the revolution.:rasta::hippy:
Put me in a position of power & I'll accomplish this mission.

demonangel2_uk

02-24-2009, 09:19 PM

Cannabis.com forums finally working again. harah. i actually gave up com ing here till my m8 text me saying they were working again. again harah about bloody time.

demonangel2_uk :rastasmoke:

:rasta:

demonangel2_uk

03-18-2009, 05:01 PM

It doesnt look like anyone posts here any longer. Shame really. oh well. ile delete from my bookmarks.

demonangel2_uk :rastasmoke:

Medicaldelivery

03-18-2009, 05:45 PM

Most people are scared of the law, that's why they will not come out and say that they are for legalization, but go home and light up a fat one. (dumbasses)

People need to stop being scared of the law, they can break everyone, one by one, but united they can't lock anybody up. People need to join collectives, like the one in my town, and stay strong, together.

Fresno Collective (http://bizmancenter.info).

Also, they need to educate themselves on medical cannabis laws and regulations, like at Oaksterdam University, there are other schools that don't charge as much, do some research, click here (http://sites.google.com/site/420college/).

epilepticme

03-18-2009, 08:38 PM

We are here and hard at work trying to secure your right to use medical cannabis.