When to 12/12

[hairyboblovesthemob]

Should I wait until I see pre-flowers? Or just start? I'm on day 43 of veg but with no pre-flowers. I think I'm at least waiting another 2 weeks (I don't have many nodes yet).

Not sure if it's a good idea to 12/12 before I see any signs of sex.

[rollone]

what size light are you using right now?

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I have 4 CFL's.

[gmoney5ss]

pics?

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I know they are stretched out.

I just transplanted them today and I'm going to LST once I know they are over the transplant shock.

Here are the pictures.

[bud breath420]

your right they are very stretched.. you definitly need more light on the side and bottom of your plant.. 4 cfls over 2 plants isnt gonna cut it.. im guessing you dont have the resources to go buy a proper growlight..

so how about trying this.. now as you probably know more light more bud right.. so go down to your local hardware store and if you can pick up some flouro lights (if you can try and get the ones that hold 2 flouro tubes) put one of those over each plant (the more the better if you can put more over the top of them try to ) also remember flourescent lights need to be close to the plants..

second part of the plan is to do some lst'ing on them (no offence but your node growth is piss weak) now im guessing you havent had much expeirience with lst'ing either.. you should try to bend them over to at least a 45 degree angle or lower if you can.. just remember to be gentle when your doing this.. also try and use a few pieces of string or whatever your useing ( does soft string make sense? try useing cotton or something) any try useing a few peices on different parts along the plant so it doesnt put all the strain of bending into one spot (causeing stem staps) it will also help to bend the whole plant and not just the top half.... remember do it slowly bend until she wont bend anymore and bend a little more each day.. and so on and so forth oh i almost forgot.. a little something ive figured out from doing this alot.. say your useing a brick or hooks on the wall (or even duct tape) make loose knots with your string (almost like an open slipknot (love those guys) so it isnt tied around the stem just a loose circle so only one side of the string is touching the plant) and secure them onto whatever your useing to hold them down making sure you can pull the slack when your bend them... anyway bend the plant over the direction you want it and pull in the slack so it is tight..

now with those 4 cfls you should use them along with the flouros as side lighting 2 for each plant... and they should be happy

Now if your not willing to spend any cash.. ive just wasted about 10 minutes of my life lol.. but it would be more than worth it to veg for a while longer bend the plant and let that node growth get alot bigger before you even start thinking of flowering... dont worry mate you will thank me in the end..

Try your best to get more light over those two they need it despritely (sp?) and be careful when lst'ing your babies.. with more light, a little care and a waiting a little more time the rewards from your babies will be much greater than your looking at now (maybe some popcorn fluff if your lucky) this is all you have to do to be looking at a nice little harvest....

holy crap.. that was realy hard i hope you use this info.. time for a nice big spliff.. meh fuck it ive said everything else.. if they are the same age the little one will probably be female and the big one a male.. just from noticing with most of my grows the bigger plants usualy turn out males.. but dont go ripping it or anything thats just a guess.. anyway good luck with doing all that time to light this spliff..

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I actually only had one light on them in that picture (That was yesterday). I got some advice from people and went out and bought more lights and set up a closet for them (which I was planning to do but wanted to wait until the last moment because I had to use the closet for coats, etc. Now it's empty, just the plants.

I actually went and spent a lot today for growing supplies so I can't buy anymore lights. I'm attaching a picture of my new set up (you can see the 4 bulbs). The picture doesn't show how bright it actually is, it's practically blinding. But is that still not enough?

Now, I never pruned or topped or fim'ed because I could never find info on the timeframe for when to do it. Nothing and no one ever told me to do it earlier on, and now it's going into it's 43 day and it has barely any bud sites (because of the lack of pruning).

Someone yesterday said I shouldn't prune or anything and to just LST (which I'm doing as soon as I know they survived the transplant without too much shock). But let me ask you, should I prune/top/fim at this time or is it too late?

I don't have any experience, this was just a test but now if they end up female I'd really like them to work out. I have read a lot about cultivation of the plants, but for some reason, without photos, I have a hard time understanding exactly what to do. Also, there are never any timeframes explained in any of these books.

[gmoney5ss]

wow those are stretched to hell, and they arent filled out at all.. I was having the same problem when i first got my plants.. my opionion (and its not professional) is that you need atleast 4 more cfls, i know it seems like a lot but you need side lighting extremely bad!! put two on each plant, and leave the ones you have up top..

if you notice the top of your plant is bushier than the bottom is because thats pretty much all those cfls are hitting full strength, you need to use at a minimum of two more on each plant for side lighting, like one in the middle, one on the bottom to fill out that empty space..

you can also see that taller one leaning towards the light, which isnt good either, definately not going to be good for buds that weigh alot it'll just pull the plant down, i personally woulldnt LST just yet untill you've atleast started to fill out that plant, its so bare it hurts.. although maybe an LST would help fill it out if you dont want to buy more lights, you could maybe tie it down like said above and put those cfls close as you can.. but my suggestion would be definately get more lights and spread them out a bit to help fill out that plant, and also maybe a fan to help the stem thicken..

good luck man, ive seen worse and i myself had plants that looked similar to that (not as tall ) that i was able to fill out and turn intoa nice little bush with more lights..

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I am LSTing AND I will buy more lights tomorrow. I know they are bare but for a while I couldn't find any pictures of the what the plants are supposed to look like so I never knew if they were too tall or what. Did you FIM or Prune or anything to fill them out? Is it too late?

[kknight]

your right they are very stretched.. you definitly need more light on the side and bottom of your plant.. 4 cfls over 2 plants isnt gonna cut it.. im guessing you dont have the resources to go buy a proper growlight..

so how about trying this.. now as you probably know more light more bud right.. so go down to your local hardware store and if you can pick up some flouro lights (if you can try and get the ones that hold 2 flouro tubes) put one of those over each plant (the more the better if you can put more over the top of them try to ) also remember flourescent lights need to be close to the plants..

second part of the plan is to do some lst'ing on them (no offence but your node growth is piss weak) now im guessing you havent had much expeirience with lst'ing either.. you should try to bend them over to at least a 45 degree angle or lower if you can.. just remember to be gentle when your doing this.. also try and use a few pieces of string or whatever your useing ( does soft string make sense? try useing cotton or something) any try useing a few peices on different parts along the plant so it doesnt put all the strain of bending into one spot (causeing stem staps) it will also help to bend the whole plant and not just the top half.... remember do it slowly bend until she wont bend anymore and bend a little more each day.. and so on and so forth oh i almost forgot.. a little something ive figured out from doing this alot.. say your useing a brick or hooks on the wall (or even duct tape) make loose knots with your string (almost like an open slipknot (love those guys) so it isnt tied around the stem just a loose circle so only one side of the string is touching the plant) and secure them onto whatever your useing to hold them down making sure you can pull the slack when your bend them... anyway bend the plant over the direction you want it and pull in the slack so it is tight..

now with those 4 cfls you should use them along with the flouros as side lighting 2 for each plant... and they should be happy

Now if your not willing to spend any cash.. ive just wasted about 10 minutes of my life lol.. but it would be more than worth it to veg for a while longer bend the plant and let that node growth get alot bigger before you even start thinking of flowering... dont worry mate you will thank me in the end..

Try your best to get more light over those two they need it despritely (sp?) and be careful when lst'ing your babies.. with more light, a little care and a waiting a little more time the rewards from your babies will be much greater than your looking at now (maybe some popcorn fluff if your lucky) this is all you have to do to be looking at a nice little harvest....

holy crap.. that was realy hard i hope you use this info.. time for a nice big spliff.. meh fuck it ive said everything else.. if they are the same age the little one will probably be female and the big one a male.. just from noticing with most of my grows the bigger plants usualy turn out males.. but dont go ripping it or anything thats just a guess.. anyway good luck with doing all that time to light this spliff..


Even if the original poster didn't see this, I have and read it thouroughly as well as took down some more notes. Thanks- :thumbsup:

[gmoney5ss]

I am LSTing AND I will buy more lights tomorrow. I know they are bare but for a while I couldn't find any pictures of the what the plants are supposed to look like so I never knew if they were too tall or what. Did you FIM or Prune or anything to fill them out? Is it too late?

its never too late, you have plenty of time.. to fill them out i just added more lights and used an organic fert 5-1-1 fish emulsion (mine lacked nutrients really bad).. as far as pruning i dont recomend it and most people will tell u the same, just focus on getting light to the whole plant and watch it gow, LST would be your best bet because it will help you get light to the whole plant since it will be tied down all of your lights can be close together, instead of having to space them out because they are so tall, good luck.. hope this helps

[hairyboblovesthemob]

You did help, thanks a lot, and I read all your posts so thanks again. And I will be getting more lights. I am LSTing the plants as we speak and the branches seem to be turned up towards the lights on their side, which is a good thing. Thanks again.

[bud breath420]

Even if the original poster didn't see this, I have and read it thouroughly as well as took down some more notes. Thanks- :thumbsup:

Cheers.. i think.. lol :thumbsup: