DID YOU VOTE?!

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I hope you all voted today (those of you old enough)

Remember, Democrats are the key to marijuana legalization! :stoned:

[Hamlet]

Yes I did....and for those who didn't--the next time you're feeling oppressed and abused by the Government, remember you pissed your one opportunity to do something about it away.

[Psycho4Bud]

Yes I did....and for those who didn't--the next time you're feeling oppressed and abused by the Government, remember you pissed your one opportunity to do something about it away.

Well said! I rocked the vote this afternoon. Had a few choice things like defining marriage, death penalty when there is DNA, universal health care.

SOME think that since it's not a Presidential year that it really don't matter.......very wrong!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[the image reaper]

I not only voted, but our local town has "Vote for Two' on the town council ... one candidate died a couple weeks ago, but was still on the ballot, so I voted for him, and wrote in myself for the other vacancy ... that way, two of the candidates can't steal from me ... :D

[hairyboblovesthemob]

I'm so proud of everyone!

[eg420ne]

Voted:thumbsup:

[orangeman]

I think I'm too young :p.

[TallulahGreen]

I DID!!!!

I REALLY hope a majority of you did!!!! VOTING IS IMPORTANT.

[JunkYard]

Sure did...

[TallulahGreen]

Sure did...

GOOD FOR YOU! That makes me VERY HAPPY!

[graymatter]

Of course I voted... If you're on this forum and not voting then you should kill yourself.

[zephyrinne]

*raises hand* Sent in my absentee ballot about 3 weeks ago.

So far, looking good for the Dems. Woooooo! :D

[TallulahGreen]

*raises hand* Sent in my absentee ballot about 3 weeks ago.

So far, looking good for the Dems. Woooooo! :D

DAMN STRAIGHT...Lookin' QUITE good. This is a vERY important electioN!!!

[JunkYard]

Hell, I've been voting for years, lol! I can hardly contain myself on election days. I think the result coverage is the best part of it, though. It's almost as fun as watching the Ky. derby.

:dance:

[TallulahGreen]

Hell, I've been voting for years, lol! I can hardly contain myself on election days. I think the result coverage is the best part of it, though. It's almost as fun as watching the Ky. derby.

:dance:


I am totally sitting here watching the results happening as we speak!

DEMOCRATIC GOVERNER TO MOST LIKELY BE RE-ELECTED.
SWEEET!

MEASURE 43 IS GOING TO FAIL!
SWEEEET!!!!

[zephyrinne]

I've been watchin' MSNBC for like the past 3 hours.

Now I'm watching Comedy Central.. Stewert and Colbert. All about the election and it's cracking me up. :D

[JunkYard]

I am totally sitting here watching the results happening as we speak!

Me too, lol!

Do you think the Dems will gain control of the House and Senate?

I for one would like to see that happen. It's time for a change!

[TallulahGreen]

Me too, lol!

Do you think the Dems will gain control of the House and Senate?

I for one would like to see that happen. It's time for a change!

YES! It is looking so good! This is making me so fucking happy OH MY GOD. FUCKING FINALLY!!!

[suhl]

i really dont feel represented by either party, both just support interest groups so they can get elected. i mean voting did us good two years ago, we have thousands more dead soldiers and got torture legalized. boy that really restored my faith in the government. i really dont think my voice is heard by politicians, to me a few thousand people cant represent hundreds of millions i was going to vote for the green party cause they dont take corporate campaign contributions so they are the only party i think has a chance in hell at never being corrupted, and theyll never get elected. a bitch. did really follow any election but governor, and couldnt vote for that because i learned about the green candidate too late and hadnt registered.

[D.Boone]

i really dont feel represented by either party, both just support interest groups so they can get elected. i mean voting did us good two years ago, we have thousands more dead soldiers and got torture legalized. boy that really restored my faith in the government. i really dont think my voice is heard by politicians, to me a few thousand people cant represent hundreds of millions i was going to vote for the green party cause they dont take corporate campaign contributions so they are the only party i think has a chance in hell at never being corrupted, and theyll never get elected. a bitch. did really follow any election but governor, and couldnt vote for that because i learned about the green candidate too late and hadnt registered.

i feel about the same way as you. none of the canidates really said anything that appealed to me. except for this independent running for a state house district.

[TallulahGreen]

*sigh* well, this is how I see it...

We bitch and we complain, yet people don't vote because they don't think it matters.

Let me tell you, I don't necassarily agree with everything the democratic candidates believe...but as far as I am concerned, it is MUCH better of the 2.

Sure I am more of a green party/liberal...but if I were to vote for anything under those than it would give more to the republicans.
..and all I gotta say is FUCK the republicans.
...alll you people that bitch about our government, yet what are you doing? Sitting on your asses doing nothing about it.

EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS..and we are getting just THAT much closer to a better society. Maybe....

[JunkYard]

I don't know a single party that represents all my interests.

As far as I can see Rep's and Dem's are the only real choices right now. If you're like me, you vote to make change, and sometimes change is slow. My contributions would be useless had I not veted Dem.

The Green party seems great, but it will be a while before they start winning elections, imo. You work with what you got, man.

Thats my take,

[suhl]

thats my problem, i dont like voting the lesser of two evils. and if you keep not voting for the third party, you arte just keeping us in a two party system, and as there are more than two ways to look at things i really dont think thats a better society, i think it is the same society, well have democrats again, theyll fuck up, well have republicans again theyll fuck up and so on. until people start just completely discounting third parties and assuming the system can never change. i admit my vote counts towards who owins(except on president, where they proved in 2000 they can just pick the winner), but i dont think my vote is a step towards a better society.

[birdgirl73]

I voted a week and a half ago. We always vote early. And I've never missed a single election, from local up to national, since I've been of voting age.

[TallulahGreen]

thats my problem, i dont like voting the lesser of two evils. and if you keep not voting for the third party, you arte just keeping us in a two party system, and as there are more than two ways to look at things i really dont think thats a better society, i think it is the same society, well have democrats again, theyll fuck up, well have republicans again and so on. i admit my vote counts towards who owins(except on president, where they proved in 2000 they can just pick the winner), but i dont think my vote is a step towards a better society.

Makes me sad.....

[TallulahGreen]

I voted a week and a half ago. We always vote early. And I've never missed a single election, from local up to national, since I've been of voting age.


Have I ever told you how much you rock? Cause really..you do!

[suhl]

Makes me sad.....

well you can blame the government, if they we3rent waist deep in corruption and hadnt been my whole life maybe id have some faith in them. i hate the two party system, like i said i regret not voting for the green party, ill start voting for independents and third parties soon unless i see a republican or democrat who seems like a human being capable of independent thought that doesnt make a shitload of promises they dont keep just to win. unless george washington rises from the dead and runs again. but he was a two party system hating independent anyway

[JunkYard]

thats my problem, i dont like voting the lesser of two evils. and if you keep not voting for the third party, you arte just keeping us in a two party system, and as there are more than two ways to look at things i really dont think thats a better society, i think it is the same society, well have democrats again, theyll fuck up, well have republicans again and so on. i admit my vote counts towards who owins(except on president, where they proved in 2000 they can just pick the winner), but i dont think my vote is a step towards a better society.

Nor do I, but sometimes you have to take a 'realistic' view of the way things are, and the way things are going to be for a while. The Dem's, although many are more conservative this election, will someday grow more liberal as our society slowly loosens up. Then, other parties like the Green party will actually have a chance. Until our society starts embracing more liberal ideas, they will never have a chance of being elected, which is why I think, the Dem's are the best choice we have to work with. A vote for Green is a Replican vote in my eyes.


Think about it,

[D.Boone]

looks like democrats swept the state of iowa. in just about every election.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/IA/

[D.Boone]

Nor do I, but sometimes you have to take a 'realistic' view of the way things are, and the way things are going to be for a while. The Dem's, although many are more conservative this election, will someday grow more liberal as our society slowly loosens up. Then, other parties like the Green party will actually have a chance. Until our society starts embracing more liberal ideas, they will never have a chance of being elected, which is why I think, the Dem's are the best choice we have to work with. A vote for Green is a Replican vote in my eyes.


Think about it,

kinda late to go vote now id say.

[suhl]

Nor do I, but sometimes you have to take a 'realistic' view of the way things are, and the way things are going to be for a while. The Dem's, although many are more conservative this election, will someday grow more liberal as our society slowly loosens up. Then, other parties like the Green party will actually have a chance. Until our society starts embracing more liberal ideas, they will never have a chance of being elected, which is why I think, the Dem's are the best choice we have to work with. A vote for Green is a Replican vote in my eyes.


Think about it,

no it isnt, and to me that is the exact same philosphy as saying my vote doesnt count. and if people would take their heads out of there ass and stop saying well third party votes are throwing your votes away. guess what, there are probably more people out there who think that than people who think their vote doesnt count. people just think, "well we are stuck like 'this so why not contribute to staying like it as long as we possibly can"

and i dont think democrats are better, yeah i agree with more of their stances on issues, but not all, and it is more about the person to me, the last two democrat governors we have had here have both been very very corrupt.

[JunkYard]

kinda late to go vote now id say.

Sure enough...

[JunkYard]

no it isnt, and to me that is the exact same philosphy as saying my vote doesnt count. and if people would take their heads out of there ass and stop saying well third party votes are throwing your votes away. guess what, there are probably more people out there who think that than people who think their vote doesnt count. people just think, "well we are stuck like 'this so why not contribute to staying like it as long as we possibly can"


Tell me this, If you voted Green would they have won? Or, if I voted Green would it have made a difference. Is it possible for Green to control the House, or Senate for that matter? Or, if every Green supporter voted Green, could they have even made a dent in the elections that are dominated by Dem's and Rep's?

I understand what you're saying, suhl. I just don't agree with it. Our society is far too conservative right now for a Green party vote to to do anygood.

Someday...YES! I think so, but not now; we have to work with what we got, imo.

Much Love,

[famous123]

How long does it take before we know whether or not the "legalize mj" passed or not?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

as an anarchist i find the concept of voting rather sad. the choice between two forms of corruption is no choice at all. on the rep side we have the hawkish mentality with a bit of "the rich get richer, the poor get poorer" thrown in; just the same old reactionary bull shit over and over again. on the dem side we have taxes through the roof, out of control dead end social programs and (most likely) blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants. there is no middle ground, there is no sanity, there's not even a whit of intelligence. socialism leads to tyranny, communism is unworkable on a large scale, and democracy is a cruel joke. but what the hell do i know, as an atheist i feel pretty much the same way about god. so kiddies; go ahead and vote, go ahead and pray. the outcome is about the same for either vice.....

[zephyrinne]

Democrats, Republicans, Green Party, etc... NONE of them respresent all of my views. No one party can. But I vote for Democrat candidates because they are the closest ones that hold my own personal views. I would vote for a Republican if that one candidate were better than any of the others. It's not about which party they're in for me, it's about the best person fit for the job. I have voted for a third party before, but let's be realistic... most of the time, these parties will not be elected into office, most do not even have a chance. That's the simple truth.

And until that third party can get out and educate the country's entire population, we will continue to be a two party system. That's the problem. The American population is lazy, they're ignorant and stupid (at times) when it comes to politics. The only things they are fed day after day is bi-partisan politics. Two. That's it. They don't see anything else. It sucks, yes.. I wish it were different. But until then, I will continue to vote for candidates that support my views, but ALSO have a chance at winning. When I see polls or reports that a third party is doing great, I'll vote that way if I see fit.

But voting is a civic duty.. that's the only way things will change. Yeah, it may take time to get around to having third party candidates recognized in a state/national race with a chance at winning.. you may have to vote for a lesser of two evils at some point.. but voting is something that should be done by all Americans. If you don't vote, you have no right to complain or bitch about the politics in this country.

[JunkYard]

zephyrinne, great post.

I think I might be in Love. :D

[delusionsofNORMALity]

truly loved the "civic duty" line. real red, white and blue camp

[Its a Plant]

Lol, personally, there's no way I can settle for 'the lesser of two evils'. Everything would still be corrupt and evil, so how's that changing anything but the names on the desks? And although some people believe that 'every vote matters', how the hell did Dubbya receive fewer votes and walk into the White House? If we want change, it has to come from within. People getting out and voting independent will not change shit. Someone up in the ranks, be it state or country, has to start the revolution. - - Just my two cents, but it doesn't make sense to vote for one assclown or the other, or waste it and vote ind. when I might as well keep my vote to myself. Where's good ole' honest Abe when we really need him? ~

[JunkYard]

Baby steps...

[Its a Plant]

Go ahead, keep telling yourself that...until the day we all die and nothing has changed. I fear that much will be true.

"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves!" ~

[delusionsofNORMALity]

if you want change, try revolution or evolution. in my opinion, the best solution is to keep on havin' a good time under the ice.

[JunkYard]

Go ahead, keep telling yourself that...until the day we all die and nothing has changed. I fear that much will be true.

"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves!" ~

I will keep telling myself that, Its a Plant. It takes time, or revolution for change to happen.

What's your philosophy? You got a better way? If so, please share...I'd love to speed things up!

Much Love,

[KiEfBoyjBm]

I voted...went through the painful process of requesting an absentee ballot...sparked a huge bowl of dank...voted for (among others) Kinky Friedman for governor of Texas...mailed in ballot. Waited 2 weeks for actual election to take place only to be blindsided with disappointment: The congressional district that I live in went to a democrat, My choice for Governor lost by an astronomical margin.

And to make matters worse, as of 12:10 central time, I would say that both the Colorado and Nevada MJ initiatives are hopeless.

I don't really see the point of voting anymore. It seems that whenever a good candidate or a great progressive idea comes along, an entire voting bloc of citizens with mental illness steps up and calls themselves...The Democrats...

[JunkYard]

Like Kinky ever had a chance in the first place. I gotta say that I love the guy, though.

Did Texas vote Dem, or Rep for Gov? Just curious, as you seem to be blaming the dems for Kinky's loss...

[RichieRich]

I voted and I feel really good about it. It does help that almost everything I voted for passed and the right people were elected. But in Washingon that happens pretty much every election. Pot is the police lowest priority.

[CityBoyGoneCountry]

Why do you all vote for people who want to put you in jail? :confused:

Would someone please explain this to me?

[jamstigator]

Most everything I wanted in my state came through. Got rid of a conservative, replaced with someone more liberal. Got the stem cell initiative passed (I want to live longer). Got minimum wage raised, which should help out the poorest folks. No extra taxes on smokes (they're already high enough). All-in-all, I'm happy that I voted, and even happier that pretty much everything I voted for passed (or the things I voted against failed).

Am I happy that the three states with marijuana-related initatives didn't pass those? Of course not. But the real problem there lies with the federal government anyway, and liberals are more concerned with personal freedoms and civil liberties than conservatives, especially religious conservatives, so I feel progress has been made. I mean, our new speaker of the house, her district is the most liberal freedom-loving city in the country, and she is both smart and outspoken, so I think she can make a real difference.

For those who sit on their voting rights rather than using them, that's cool with me, as it just makes my own vote have more effect. Heck, if nobody BUT me would vote, that'd be great, since then I could make ALL the laws! ;)

[biker6403]

If we can get barack obama elected prez in 08 then more history can be made.Nancy Pelosi is at least open to the prospect of medical MJ right? U got 2 stand 4 something or you will fall 4 anything.:D

[Skink]

I was surprised of the really big turnout here for a non presidential year... all but one of my candidates are winners today...

[JunkYard]

Why do you all vote for people who want to put you in jail? :confused:

Would someone please explain this to me?

I vote for hope of a progressive change in our country. As long as conservitives have the reigns, more liberal ideas, and such could never unfold in this country. But, we now have control of the House of Reps, and it's likely that we will gain control of the Senate as well. (I'm talking about the Dem's) Not as good as I would like, but it is the best a person like me could hope for right now. (A lefty potsmoker)

Give things time, and our society will adopt more liberal ideals, and someday, maybe not in my lifetime, we will have an open minded government in this country.

Time is timeless in the eyes of time, yet time is the essence of all things. Change takes time, and we're taking baby steps right now...


Much Love,

[suhl]

hmm, i still dont like voting for corrupt assholes despite being told its my civic duty or how proud people get about the fact that they voted when most werent informed anyway, they vote straight party. if someone resembling a human being runs under a major party ticket some time in the future ill vote. and no political candidates,k throwing a football around and showing pictures of your family or windsurfing doesnt make you seem any more capable of independent thought.
and everyone here seems to be forgetting that for pretty much all of the 90's democrats had most of the power and shit wasnt that much different, except i will say they didnt invade iraq

[thcbongman]

I'm pretty damn glad I voted despite feeling so apathetic to do so. As long as that bastard George Allen loses.

[Hamlet]

For those of you who voted..Well done! (even if you did vote incorrectly...lol)

For those of you who didn't...maybe your temperament is more suited to another country. A move might be in everyone's best interest.

[Bong30]

In Vien

[Its a Plant]

"If voting made a difference, it'd be illegal."

[JunkYard]

"If voting made a difference, it'd be illegal."

Well, the house and senate are controlled by a different party now. I'd say, voting does make a difference, plant. (Obviously)

[Its a Plant]

I stand by what I said. Since when does it matter who's in control of the House and Senate? I'm talking about a REAL difference. One that's actually noticed by you and me. I've yet to see any difference worth noting in the past 10 years. ~

[JunkYard]

I don't want to argue Plant. It is your right not to vote, and if you think voting is futile then that is your right as well. I'll not try to convince you otherwise anymore, cool? I apologize for being dick. Now, take back that slave remark, and we'll be even...

:D

Much Love,

I like the Swedish Proverb in your sig, btw.

[Its a Plant]

Yes, a good ole' fashioned "agree to disagree" is in order.

And I'm not the one who first made that 'slave' remark. Jim Morrison frequently yelled that to the crowd at his concerts, and I've always found it entertaining for whatever reason. To some degree though, he's right.

Cheers. ~

[JunkYard]

We're all slaves to the system. Hell, even Morrison was. Sure, he was a bit of a rebel, but when push came to shove, he was just like everyone else who lives in America.

I watched the Doors the other night. That scene where they're in the desert tripping peyote, and morrison is going on about fear, then says ""I was lying, I am afraid" Fucking priceless...

I love that movie!

[Hamlet]

I stand by what I said. Since when does it matter who's in control of the House and Senate? I'm talking about a REAL difference. One that's actually noticed by you and me. I've yet to see any difference worth noting in the past 10 years. ~

So you're going to sit on your ass and wait for someone to make a difference for you? Sorry dude, but that responsibility is just as much yours as it is mine, and everybody elses. That applies to every aspect of your life as well as Government.

I guess I'm the one being a dick, but all our asses are in this together and I'm not going to let anyone off the hook on this one. Voting makes a difference. People blowing off voting makes a difference.

[Its a Plant]

Lol, ohhhhkay Hamlet, continue placing your votes if that fulfills you or makes you feel like your contributing. I wouldn't say I've given up, but fuck, I probably should. Just look at our gov't today, and honestly try and tell me that there's hope for a nation free of corrupt officials and leaders anytime soon.

There's more hope in an empty cabin out in the middle of nowhere, away from everything that I dispise about society. And I'll probably end up out in the middle of nowhere someday, too. ~

[Bong30]

whats up guys.....what are you talking about?


everything is fine....sheeeeeeeesh






Hey guys why are we not hearing about voting fraud? Voter Intimidation

Did you see the way that the republicans handed over the reigns?......Classy...I must say.


The best quote i herd all week is when someone called Nancy Pelosi...a "Socialist Dingbat" I love that lable.....

[Hamlet]

I wouldn't say I've given up, but fuck, I probably should. Just look at our gov't today, and honestly try and tell me that there's hope for a nation free of corrupt officials and leaders anytime soon.

I imagine that's exactly what a Mexican says to himself (in Spanish) about his country, right before he swims the Rio Grande to come over here. That's why third world countries are so fucked up. They see themselves as peasants who can't do anything about the tyranny and corruption of 'the Powers that Be'. ...and most of them can't-BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE.

Pick up a paper, or turn on the news. Politicians are kissing your ass to do anything you want if you'll vote for them. You want a Government free of corruption? Make it happen. Enough voters get together and say 'this corruption's gotta go!' and the Suits wanting to stay in power will drag DeLay, Ambramoff, Ney and the rest out in the streets and shoot them for you.

You're not going to escape society running off into the woods and trying to live off the land. Believe me, I know a thousand hippies who've tried and are still trying.

Government is like any other kind of power--sex, money, fame, food, or fast cars--either you control it, or it will control you. And don't say ya don't wanna play cuz you're already in the game.

[Great Spirit]

shame on those who didn't vote.

Unfortunately there were no Libertarians or Greens running in my district. I had to vote for all Democratic candidates.

[Its a Plant]

America could very well be a third-world country. It certainly makes sense to me.

Politicians are kissing my ass and making false promises to get my vote, and most of the time, go about their business and fill out their own agenda. But I don't for one second buy into any sort of "sincerity" they might throw at the general population. I must say that some politicians do seem to care about the citizens they represent, but most are led by dreams of power and money.

And I don't quite understand your logic for that "either you control the gov't or it controls you" analogy. If by "control", you mean placing a single vote for some Suit ultimately representing a meaningless party full of the same unfulfilled promises, then yes, call it 'you being in control'. Yet you used cars, fast food, and money in the same sentence, but it's nowhere near the same thing. If it were that easy, I'd drive on down to Wendy's and order a double George Washington and a frosty. THAT'S control. We only control the names on the desks and the color of the state, and nothing more. In the end, it's all the same. It's not like we can go from pawns to Kings in this so-called game you speak of.

That's just my opinion of things though. I'm definitely not looking to change any minds here, nor do I think mine can be changed. But hey, that's politics, and this is just my :twocents:

As for my great escape from society, I also agree that I can't escape it, but at least out in the woods, I won't be constantly reminded of a world gone to hell. All I'll have is the solitude of the forest, and my own mind to keep me company. ~

[Hamlet]

We only control the names on the desks and the color of the state, and nothing more. In the end, it's all the same. It's not like we can go from pawns to Kings in this so-called game you speak of.

Sorry man, told ya I wasn't going to let anyone off the hook on this one so it's something I gotta do.

Nothing more? You're so wrong there. We put the agendas and values that we want represented into those names on the desk, and colors on the States. Sure there are plenty of sleezeballs who have their own agenda but that can be dealt with. The Christian Coalition figured this out and has the most venimous serpents in Washington (DeLay, Ney, Bush, etc) professing how they love Jesus and pushing their religious agenda through. <--You don't like what they're doing? You want to fix that agenda? Get on a bandwagon and let'm know you're a citizen that doesn't take any shit. You get pumped and others will get pumped too. Leave it to someone else, and you're going to wake up in a nightmare where you don't even have a wilderness to run off to.

It's not like we went from pawns to kings in this game ya say? Fuckin'A believe we went from pawns to kings. We've got the vote and we can tell the ruling class to kiss our sweet ass if they don't like it. First time in history too, our founding fathers set it up so that we're in charge. Many got got their balls blown off and hanged trying to git 'r done, but here we are and we're keeping it. My opinion counts--and your opinion counts. From toothpaste to TV they wanna know what turns you on and deliver the goods. If your opinion is 'this is all fucked up bullshit and I'm throwing in the towel" ..someone is going to seize that opportunity and push their own agendas through, or take it right back to Monarchy domination.

By all means go live in the forest and enjoy it. But every now and then come down out of the hills and cast a good vote. It's what's going to keep them from coming for you to drag ya out of the forest and plowing over your cabin.

[suhl]

Sorry man, told ya I wasn't going to let anyone off the hook on this one so it's something I gotta do.

Nothing more? You're so wrong there. We put the agendas and values that we want represented into those names on the desk, and colors on the States. Sure there are plenty of sleezeballs who have their own agenda but that can be dealt with. The Christian Coalition figured this out and has the most venimous serpents in Washington (DeLay, Ney, Bush, etc) professing how they love Jesus and pushing their religious agenda through. <--You don't like what they're doing? You want to fix that agenda? Get on a bandwagon and let'm know you're a citizen that doesn't take any shit. You get pumped and others will get pumped too. Leave it to someone else, and you're going to wake up in a nightmare where you don't even have a wilderness to run off to.

It's not like we went from pawns to kings in this game ya say? Fuckin'A believe we went from pawns to kings. We've got the vote and we can tell the ruling class to kiss our sweet ass if they don't like it. First time in history too, our founding fathers set it up so that we're in charge. Many got got their balls blown off and hanged trying to git 'r done, but here we are and we're keeping it. My opinion counts--and your opinion counts. From toothpaste to TV they wanna know what turns you on and deliver the goods. If your opinion is 'this is all fucked up bullshit and I'm throwing in the towel" ..someone is going to seize that opportunity and push their own agendas through, or take it right back to Monarchy domination.

By all means go live in the forest and enjoy it. But every now and then come down out of the hills and cast a good vote. It's what's going to keep them from coming for you to drag ya out of the forest and plowing over your cabin.
guess what nimrod they tend to care more about representing what people who give them millions of dollars and actually have the power to control more votes than just their own do, honestly they could care aabout a pissed off citizen who isnt taking it any more. and guess what, it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt, feel that either party is more concerned about being in power than actually using that power for good, i guess you just pulled that out of your ass. keep telling yourself you really have a say in the government if it makes you happy but you arent going to convince anyone who already knows better so just give it a rest there uncle sam

[Hamlet]

guess what nimrod they tend to care more about representing what people who give them millions of dollars and actually have the power to control more votes than just their own do, honestly they could care aabout a pissed off citizen who isnt taking it any more. and guess what, it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt, feel that either party is more concerned about being in power than actually using that power for good, i guess you just pulled that out of your ass. keep telling yourself you really have a say in the government if it makes you happy but you arent going to convince anyone who already knows better so just give it a rest there uncle sam

That was a dazzling response and philosophy there, Nimrod. I'm in awe of your your rationale for sitting on your ass n' eatin' cheetos while the ruthlessly ambitious sneak up on your ass and cornhole you from behind. No, they don't care about one pissed off citizen who isn't going to take it anymore, but they do care, and have to care, about a hundred million pissed off citizens who aren't going to take it anymore. When those citizens are too stupid and lazy to be pissed off is when it all goes to hell in a handbag.


it isnt throwing in the towel and settling for a monarchy if you dont want to contribute to a system you feel is corrupt,

Yeah? Then what the hell is it? Enlighten us between breaks in Worlds of Warcraft what you think it is. If it's corrupt it's because lazyass couchpotatoes mooching off the system and not contributing have allowed it to get that way. Pickin' your nose, doing nothing and bitchin' about a corrupt system doesn't make you Thoreau.

[suhl]

so basically what you did there was respond to nothing i said and just said i played world of warcraft and ate cheetos, two things you completely pulled out of your ass. you just keep changing the world all i ask is that you dont act like you are better than people who dont vote. for god sake if you dont trust the candidates or have a problem with the system you dont have to partake. there is a reason voting isnt a law. do you understand the bases upon which this country is founded. there is more to democracy and god fair government than voting. i already said several times if there was a candidate i like i would vote, so stop calling me lazy. and for christ sake and dont take it so personal. what you need to do is calm down:thumbsup:

[Hamlet]

I believe I responded to everything you said. (which was basically nothing-- except for a couple snide 'names called' and some mumblings about not participating in a corrupt system.) So if you want to make it personal ad hominem because you're lacking a valid arguement, don't get in a snit when it's served right back to ya.

[Bong30]

Im glad you guys fight too.....


im not the only one.....


ready, set, break..........resume.

[Hamlet]

Fighting? Who's fighting? ...okay, I guess I am. ..my boo. But I choose my battles discreetly. This is something worth fighting about. We're all sitting here like a bunch of anonymous fugatives because we've been too apathetic to do anything about it. Well, it's time to do something about it.

[suhl]

why you act crazy? not an act maybe?
:thumbsup:
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