5 Strains, First Grow

[Inspector420]

I was on another website documenting my grow but I didnt get enough Guidance. This is my first grow and im having a few problems I hope you guys can help.

For reference ill list some of my gear.

2 600HPS
1 2 tray 3x3 GH Ebb & Flow tables
6 40 Watt floros

Nutrients:

Ionic Grow
AN Sensi Bloom A&B
AN Big Bud
AN Bud Blood
AN Carbo Load
Cha-Ching
AN Sweet leaf
AN Voodoo Juice

The grow started on 10-24-2006 Started from seed

I have a few seedlings that I know are sick, such as the AK-48. The leave are deformed and crispy? So is a few others they need help :(

I have not giving any of them any nutrients yet. I used tap water to germ them, PH 7.8 about.

The rock wool was preped with Europonic Rockwool conditioner. This gave me about a 6.6 ph on the cubes to start, it has mild nutes. I used peat pellets and when roots started to show I moved them to the rock wool.

So im kind of lost at this point not sure when to start feeding these seedlings.

Ill just end it here insted of rambling on and on.. Thx for any advice and guidance. Ill spam up the rest of the pics since there is a pic limit per post, look below :)

[Kindbud]

Good luck man ,looks like a wicked ass setup.

[Inspector420]

Oops the 5 Strains are

Ice
DP Blueberry
Northern Light
K-2
AK-48

[Inspector420]

O a post as im spamming, a good sign:) ^^ im not done man :) and more pics

[Inspector420]

more pics... I germed some Bag seed to :) label BS

[Inspector420]

Ok thats everything upto this point and 40 minutes later :) You will see my ak-48 in the one pic it needs help and a few others do too. And again id appreciate any help through this..


Thx guys peace

[caliorbust]

one hell of a room ya got there, you sure did bite off your share of work being your first grow, i hope all goes well

what are the dimensions of that room? do you plan on sectioning off for a mother plant and propagation? man you could have one serious garden

i have been planning on setting up a room such as yourself, if i were you i would scrap the ebb and flow and do some grow bags with a top feed injection kit with a coco fiber, perlite, peat moss mix, i wouldnt cram them together space your plants out giving each like a 3x3 area with there own 400watt hid, man plants get so big when there not crammed i bet you could easily get close to a pound per plant

hows your enviroment? is that a sealed room? id love to help any way i can

[Abattoir Dream]

hmmm, that AK seedling may be suffocated, just loosen the soil very slightly and do what you can to get oxygen to the roots, if this does nothing, i would use less water, -hope this helps, keep up the good work ;)

[Inspector420]

Thanks for the compliments yeah its some decent stuff for a first try :) But doesnt mean ill have a good grow :) Some of the things I got, gear I wish I didnt purchase. Im so over budget its not even funny, 1400$ was the disired amount and I went over it :) So my point is for this first try, im using what I got.

Caliorbust,
The room is 10x12 aprox size. and the one area thats sectioned is the propagaton area. The veg and grow is the ebb & flow area. I would love to have a veg area but im limited on space the low areas start at about a 3 foot and goto to around 7 foot ceilings. Yes a very big bite.. A bigger bite than I can chew, I just wanted to have the best chance on succeding in my grow. SOG is what ill have to do on this one. I would be happy getting a cured Pound everytime I harvest is what im shooting for. Yes I do have a co2 injection system as well, but no tank. The room is sealead the best I can. The floor was tubed out with 6 mil black plastic and the sides and walls I used panda poly 4mil 2 sided. I used staple gun, foil tape and also white duct tape. At the moment I have no ventilation really in there Ive been creating and making things as I go, right now the room is cold as hell and heat isnt an issue.

Abattoir Dream,
Thank you so much I will try this to lossen the soil slightly. This happening to about 4 of the little ones I had no idea what the issue was. Atleast I you giving me a start :) I noticed the bigger ones thriving and I thing this is because those roots have gotten past the soggy peat and are working thier way through the rockwool now.


Anyone have a suggestion or would share when they start feeding on drip? The white table where they are chilling at the moment is and will be drip. So thats the method im shooting for.

Thanks guys for giving me a hand with this, and I will post up the results of crispy leaves problem.

ty ty ty ty ty ty ty ty :)

[Inspector420]

Im not sure if this is going to well :( As you can see in the pics a few of them are well on thier way. While others show deformaties like that Northern Light you can clearly seeand also AK-48.

BTW I started with 50 seeds 10 of each and I even put in 2 bagseed (BS)
I have not really given them any water in 2 days hoping that the suffocated ones will come around.

They are under 6 40 watt floros atm..

Does everything look all right guys and gals?

Thx peace I-420

[Racerx]

They look like maybe youve got a little to much water. Consider pulling back the schedule a little to help with the oxygen. Im not a table pro but that would be my gut.

On a side note, for the future, you might consider limiting yourself to less strains. Each strain tends to like slightly different conditions. Most specifically, not all strains like the same nutrient schedule or levels. Having made this mistake before, I had to compromise which kept both plants from reaching their full potential. One strain loved a high ppm of like 1600-1700. Another strain in the same nutrients could barely handle 1200. I had to do around 1300 and deal with a little burn and a little deficiency, learned my lesson there. You also will deal with the strains growing at different rates and different styles (bushy vs tall), so you will not be taking full advantage of your light spread.

With 2 tables, I would do 2 different strains. That way...if there is a problem, it is much easier to diagnose it instead of some strains being afflicted and others not being afflicted. You will have more uniform growth and they will be easier to tend.

Good luck! Love the room, looks very clean and nice.

[Inspector420]

Racerx,

I really appreciate the response! First Id like to say when I decided to try to grow I made alot of hasty decisions. Like when I ordered seeds I just bought like 5 strains figured id keep some mothers around and grow them as I wanted to. I agree with you on growing less strains I regret it. Ice has been the worst to me Ive only got 2 in cubes out of 10 seeds :( So there is something I did that Ice doesnt like that the rest do.. But your comments are right on :) Im just nervous becuase I dont want to waste my money, the same thoughts as any first time grower suppose. Now I understand to suggest bag seed to a new grower. Or maybe im just making it complicated. Thats crazy that the ppm can vary that much on strain to strain!

Now... yesterday when Abattoir Dream suggested that it might be over watering the fist thing I did was sqeeze all the cubes to get excess water out. Then I used paper towels on the peat core to soak some water out. You know I havents watered them since that was suggested. I guess I wont even bother to water untill the leaves droop down or something.

I have no fans BTw ive been trying to find some cheap ones the last few days but its winter now and there are none in stock lol

Appreciate all the help guys

Ill have some new pics the next few days of the first ones that get on the drip:) I see atleast 4-5 leaders of the pack in this bunch. They are all females buhda told me so :) jk

I-420

[Bachelorpads]

over watering is definitely the most likely culprit. I wouldn't do much squeezing out of the cubes, just don't water them as much. The roots when they first start break pretty easy.

Well, first thing first, you need to just let these babies get big enough to take some clones and find out who the chicks are. Once you have a confirmed lady, it is on. Clone off of her like mad and fill the system. I would say that right now you have about 5 times as many plants as you should have started with.

With 2 600's, you should be able to get 1lb per table so your goal won't be too difficult to hit at all.

I always recommend SCROG because of the hieght control that it offers. So i recommend looking into that when the time comes (which is a ways off)

[Inspector420]

over watering is definitely the most likely culprit. I wouldn't do much squeezing out of the cubes, just don't water them as much. The roots when they first start break pretty easy.

Well, first thing first, you need to just let these babies get big enough to take some clones and find out who the chicks are. Once you have a confirmed lady, it is on. Clone off of her like mad and fill the system. I would say that right now you have about 5 times as many plants as you should have started with.

With 2 600's, you should be able to get 1lb per table so your goal won't be too difficult to hit at all.

I always recommend SCROG because of the hieght control that it offers. So i recommend looking into that when the time comes (which is a ways off)

There hasnt be 100% recovery yet on the damged ones. But I noticed the newer leaves on the ones in question look more normal. I really dont think ill use peat pellets again in the future, but being new and not having to put chemicals to start, appeals to me.

2lb geez I really dont think ill be able to doit :eek: Thanks for giving me goal to shoot for though :)

And when the time comes Id be more than willing to do SCROG if you guys are willing to help me out.

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Day 16

Ok update time.. I know its only been a few days but I like pics and I know members do too :)

I have an 8-9 gallon res for this table in the pic. What I did was put half strength Ionic grow and also some 1/2 strength voodoo juice. I put all canidates that had 3-4 sets of leaves on drip. WHen I did a reading on the water I had a cf of .8 - 1.0 and a ppm of 500. And imediately I noticed them grow and seem happy. I initially had a 6.5 ph but today it was 7.5 , so it shot up. I then corrected the ph and curious if it will stay the same when I check tomorrow. Im having an issue of keeping the humitity below 80% and would like it even lower. It seems from all the things ive read High humitity and stress makes males :( Are these plants stressed?

Thx for the support I appreciate it alot

[JackdaWack]

U really dont need any nutes for a month, i ussually start my nutes when my plants are about 8" high, starting at 1/2 strength. you just need to make sure your not over watering... i wouldnt worry about what they look like until there about a half foot. Ive had mis-shapped seedlings grow into beautiful babes

[Inspector420]

U really dont need any nutes for a month, i ussually start my nutes when my plants are about 8" high, starting at 1/2 strength. you just need to make sure your not over watering... i wouldnt worry about what they look like until there about a half foot. Ive had mis-shapped seedlings grow into beautiful babes

Im doing it wrong? I should stop nutes? They seem to like it alot they are growing :)

Please advise me...

The goal here is to grow them under these floros for as long as possible, im in no hurry to fire up my 600's ... Whats the max time you think under these 6 40 watt floros, aprox 13000 lumens I believe.

I-420 Peace

[JackdaWack]

well. nutes are up to you, every one has told me to wait a month which isnt what i do, i get my veggin organic formula out when the plants have about 3 sets of leaves. I start really low and build up to 1/2 strength, then as they get more leaves i increase the stength in small increments. So im not sure if the success rate here is due to organic nutes, because i know there are differences. My organic nutes are alot more concentrated to i used alot less then recomended but since its all natural the plant loves it, if not to much nutes are added. So just keep it simple if u want to use some nutes for now keep it low stressing the seedlings now is very bad.

I would keep them under fluoros until they look as if they have out grown them. Ex. if the bottom branches dont look like they are getting enough light switch to you m/h or hps, i think its better to atlease have an hps runnin opposed to a couple fluoros just getting the tops of the plants. But u do want to use the fluoros for as long as possible, they really create a good light source for the seedlings, no heat, better overall spectrum coverage. How ever if they only cover half the plant, then ur not gonna be getting enough light.

[JackdaWack]

m/h seems to be out of the grow circle, im probably gonna get my teeth kicked in for sayin that but it seems so. alot of ppl are using the cfl's for the entire vegging cycle which is ok if u got enough of them 6 of them would work for a large grow, the m/h creates heat and uses alot of electricity, not sure wich one gets better results i would think the m/h. but either way u have to use the fluoros for atleast 2 weeks i would say. then decide wether or not to use the mh you could use both. that would be cool if you could set them up maybe do an expierment, put some under one some under the other, i saw ur room, u got alot to work with might aswell put some of it to use. this way u gain knowlege and u too can help others out when in need. theres no better answer then the ones growing right in front of you.

[bejay]

you need nutrients just at a very reduced strength a ppm of 300- 400 is common for seedlings you should try to keep your ph between 5.5 to 6.1 range.
losing the peat pellets would be a wise choice would suggest starting in the smaller rockwool cubes instead.

[Inspector420]

Bejay,

Thank you for jumping threads with me Bejay I did read your responce on the other thread as well. Im in the process of lowering the ph now Ill get it somewhere in between what you mention. I assume it they dont need the nutes that are locked out at this ph level? The peat pellets as I mentioned before was just something I purchased at the beginning and they appealed to me because I didnt have to add chemicals and stuff. They are annoying for just the simple fact that they make my res dirty :(

Jack,

Thx for the reply Im glad I can use the floros for a long period if I decide. I look at some of the grows on here and they are using very low light of lumens I find this amazing. Id say when they get hit with 1200 watts of light we should see a major explosion in growth. Im looking forward to that day in the future.

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Day 18

I have some observations Id like to make. Notice at this point I have about 27 cubed up plants and rememer I started with 50 seeds. I have learned from my mistakes. At the beginning I thing I should of used more paper toweles and distilled water, since out of the tap the water is around 8 ph. Also I had them way to wet I believe and I think I got this disorder Zandor mentions in this FAQ thread http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=36996 .

Now.. Ive included more pics :) Im not that great with this camara not sure why I cant take a good pics :( Notice the northern light plant with the mishapen leaves, dont get me wrong it is growing, just not the prettiest thing. This due to the overwateringom the info Ive gathered from you all. If I didnt have help I would of assumed this is a calsium defeciancy, thx.

I added a few more canidates to drip. I have them set for 2-3 times per day. The drippers are 2 gallons per hour BTW. That one AK-48 and Ice are blowing the rest of them away. And notice the bag seed (BS) wow not what I expected, I added those later as a joke. Its a sativa for sure just looking at the leaves. Im not sure what the future will be for it, if its a female regardless I might not beable to grow it becuase of the hieght.

Well thats all for now thx all :thumbsup:

[Canso]

just checking on progress.
you will have a great garden in no time.

[Inspector420]

Canso! Hey man thx for remembering me I think everything is going good now, for the most part. I was wondering if you were going to stop by. Anyway I still have no electricity in the room lol...


I have the oddest thing going on and I cant figure out whats going on. It seems all the BlueBerry except 1 thats large all have problems. I looked at these leaves under a microscope and noticed little droplets or what appears to be eggs. They do look like the moisture have been sucked right out of them dont you think? What I did at first was made up a weak pestiside and with a paper towel treated the underside of the leaves. I continued everyday to look at these leaves but see no mites moving around?!? And these things only appear on the BB's .... I want to say that these plants have showed no change from before or after I treated them, no change at all. This is making me paranoid because I have the same look on 1-2 leaves on the bigger ones. I do not want this to happen to them too. So I definatley need some advice. See the pics

All plants that showed roots and nice leaves have been moved to mesh baskets now, and some hydroton. Anything that has been ill I have not feed yet and or took off food.

At this point im still using 1/2 nutes and I dont think Ill change a thing. They seem to be fine and Im in no rush. Since im growing 5 strains I really need to be careful that everyone is happy. PPM is about 500 and cf 1.0-1.2 .... I have the PH at around 6.5 ATM. The room has been 78 degrees most of the day and humidity varies from 65-80 percent. I thnk a few of these plants are all ready to be cloned shortly.

The one pic is of the northern lights with the retarded leaves from earlier issue or overwatering. I just wanted to show you guys how it came back and is looking good.

Other than the issues I have stated above, everything seems fine.

[Inspector420]

The rest of the pics.

[JackdaWack]

your rock wool shouldnt be any other color then when it started that green on there looks like mold. there is def something wrong with ur bb strain. i dunno ive never seen leaves look like this before, as for the ones that look good nice job they look really nice.

[Weedhound]

Dude if you are going hydro you need to drop that ph. 5.6-6.0 no more. Before you do ANYTHING else, correct the ph otherwise nothing else you do will work. 6.5 if I read that correctly is too high.

[Inspector420]

Weedhound your not the first person that said to lower it. I feel so stupid I was a point off in my memory lol I was thinking the whole time 6.8 not 5.8 omg Im so glad I didnt blow it and I fixed it. The whole time I was at the wrong ph lol ::smacks self:: again I mean since the beginning :( This will not happen again I promise. Im at 5.8 ATM and will keep it between 6.5 and 6.8...

Jack.. Yeah its ugly man that one cube. Either today or tomorrow I will rip off the bad parts of that cube and place it in a mesh basket and cover it good with hydroton, this should fix that problem.

As far as this wierd stuff going on with the Dutch Passion BlueBerry I made a seperate post here http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=91623 and got some good comments on this. The PH issue didnt help this strain im sure..

Im grateful for these great forums, I would of surely screwed every plant up with out all of you.

Ill try to update on day 30 of my grow and then we can start cloning I hope :) So in about 5 days expect another update of this grow.

I-420

[Abattoir Dream]

well, its certainly come along since i was last here, its looking great! hope your enjoying your grow lol, as for those mutated plants, the BB and such, some day they will sort themselves out a little, one thing ive find helps alot is to use some rooting hormone on them, as soon as they can establish structured, healthy roots, the leaves should follow suit, if you have some rooting hormones available at the moment, why not add a squirt to you res. it can only do good, for now though, your doing great, so keep up the good work...:)

wow, you got my 900th post, lucky you! lol...

[Inspector420]

This will not happen again I promise. Im at 5.8 ATM and will keep it between 6.5 and 6.8...

Do you see that shit!@# Again Im determined to use the wrong ph lol.

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ok :)

Mer_de^Vert I think I saw you in the chat room here nice to hear from you if your the same person. In previous post I have already said and told by others its to many strains to screw with. I was a little gung ho at the beginning and wanted a varity mostly high THC plants and a few for flavor. I will flower all this clones I make and sex ect... at that point Ill be asking for a vote for 2-3 strains to grow together, recommendations. This is member interactive grow going on here people.. lol

Abattoir Dream thanks man I appreciate the compliments and Ill try to keep it up. Ive been trying to screw them up :) and they still looking good for now.

I sould of just waited to post becuase I will be taking more pics in 2 days and again posting. See you all then :D

[Weedhound]

420 you are cracking me up with that ph thing. You have obviously put so much time and energy (not to mention $$) into your grow....hope you work out the tweaks; we all have them.....keep the photos up.

[mrberrys]

The rest of the pics.

hey there man.. i am growing blueberry too dutch passions.. 1 or 2 of mine allso are deformed mutated lol see for yourself... at the moment im contemplating weather or not to keep this 1 going ... hmmmmmmm.. this 1 was totally deformed... as you can see its partly sorted itself out.. needs a kick up the backside if you ask me.. anyways good luck with your grow:thumbsup:

[CaliJay]

Hey 420 lets talk about sex. Don't have time to read through right the second but I will be back. Do you have some males????? Lets chat I am in Nor Cali..Where you at?

And dude...go see a dentist..That shit looks like it smells!:D

[Inspector420]

Well my life is pretty screwed up right now and havent been able to take care of my grow like I should be. One thing that happened a tree fel on my car and it got totaled, and homeowners didnt cover it, its a total loss. Im financially strapped and trying to find a job. Enough with the personal stuff for sake of getting id'd..

Anyways... yesterday I stopped feeding them for the day to let them dry out some. The algae was terrible so I did this when there was only about a gallon left in the resevoir and removed it. One of the problems was im using a clear tote from walmart or where ever I got it. So I did the ghetto thing and simply wrapped 7 mil plastic around it and taped it with a good seal. I then cleaned the whole system, scrubed it. I also checked all the drippers and removed probably 4-5 of them were clogged, and checked all lines. I took all those plants and stuck them on my flood and drain table temporaly while I did this. I used a temporary res, a small trashcan and put in a mild bleach and warm water. After I was satisfied with that I emptied it, put fresh water and used some floraclean from GH.. Why did I use it? I dont really know besides on the bottle it says to do it every once in while so I figure it would be a good time to do this as well. There is no nutes or anything in the water at the moment I plan on starting them again on nutes sometime tomorrow. I noticed when I let them dry up some that with in hours powdery mildew occured, looked like little crystal on the hydrotron. Im not sure if it was but I will assume without even researching it.

I came to the conclusion that its to many plants to deal with in such a small area, the table is 2x4 and the tops were balled up and retarded. To many of them fighting for light ect.. It was really hard to decide to get rid of them but im limited on space and I had to do what I had to do. I removed 14 plants, the majority of them were blueberry from dutch passion. out of 10 seeds I have one growing and with my luck it will be a male. I saved alot of the ak-48's and tried to have 3 of each left.. Ice I only have 2 now. The way I picked what was to stay was chose the healthy looking and on the short side. I got rid of the ones that had thin stalks too. I had 2 bagseed plants I removed all together, I can grow those anytime. So what this leave us at?

5 AK-48's
3 K-2's
3 Northern Light
2 Ice
1 BlueBerry

So thats 14 plants left and 14 removed :(

I know at this point its safe to say I can start the sexing process and make some clones. I will wait 2-3 days before this so I can work the nutes up again to a good level. Ive only been using about 600 ppm for the nutes upto this point.

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Calijay Im on the east coast in the carolinas :(

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mrberrys, Yeah its crazy man I dont understand how they can sell that crap and its not stable. Havent they been growing and breeding that strain for years?!? No one should get these problems at such a high ratio to decent ones. Ive contemplated contacting them but I dont think ill bother.

And yes 6 of mine looked just like yours.

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Abattoir Dream, hey thats a great tip on the rooting hormone! But all the ones with issues have and will be terminated :) W00t 900 post :)

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Jack, I pulled of the green rockwool and buried them and as you read above I thing the res was the main problem..

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Well thats it sorry I havent been posting but I got some drama in my life. I plan on making another post on the cloning day. Right now the plants are tripping from the moving around a fresh water we will give them a few days to recover and go to the next stage... And also the fans need to open up from being balled up and retarded..


c ya

I-420

[Inspector420]

Description of the pics in the last post sorry..

1st pic is dirty table..
2nd is to many plants before elimination.. they were all in 2x4 area lol
3rd is the BB stalk, the only survivior. Dang its fat stalk!
4th is the final choices after elimination
5th as I was adding back into the sytem and deciding.


And this pic is well... the ones that will be killed :( I wish It was legal in the states so I could give them to someone...

[BigWeed]

Hey I 420 sorry to hear that you had to get rid of some plants. I know how hard it is to try and keep up I think we all know how hard it is for your first time starting out. That blueberry is a hard strain to start out with because it is picky about how much it wants to be fed. its good that you kept the ak48 and the other because what i have read they all are easy to grow for first timers Ill keep checking back in to see if I can help out peace.

[BlackBliss]

Good luck on ya grow mang, happy tokes... :thumbsup:
Bliss.

[Weedhound]

wow, really sorry to hear about your car etc.. Have been reading on the storms going on out your way....stay dry man...good luck...sounds like a smart decision to to show some of them the door....will make your life easier in that way at least.