god?

[smoke it]

im not saying that i believe in a god, but i was reading here, stoned, and thinking. if there is a god, he is a sick and twisted being. this quote was from an earlier post in this forum


Y'all want to say god gave us free will and he loves us? Here is my question.

Why the hell is there a such thing as evil? If we are "gods children," would he not want the best for us? Since he is all powerful, why are we not living in a utopia?

Either god is an asshole, indifferent, or he doesn't exist. It makes no sense to say he loves us, yet lets us die from aids, cancer, murder, etc. I'm sorry, free will is BS.

Is this just a training period for the afterlife? Than why wouldn't god simply create us in the afterlife. He knows who is going to make it anyway. If we were loved, we would not be subjected to all the pain of this life.

JaggedEdge has a very good point. if god was is an all-powerfull, all-knowing, all-creating being, he would know who would make it in the world, and who wouldnt. from what i have been told, (my aunt is a minister) this world is a judgement for heaven. why would he want to watch us suffer, if we are all loved. then again, why even have sinners. all the stuff that god dosent want us to do (i.e. murder, theft, etc...) is a form of sin. god knows who will sin, and that they are going to hell. why would he even make people capable of sinning in the first place. he made this shitty world. he made his followers, and sinners. why would he waste his energy on making sinners, when he could be making perfect, commandment-abiding followers. dont think about even trying to tell me that people rebel against god. he made us, he knows everything, and he knew that we would sin.


there is no god. i feel that i have succesfully proved this.

***keep in mind, i dont, nor will i ever beleive in any god. these are just my thoughts on christanity after reading JaggedEdge's post***

feel free to share your thoughts on this, but please, no flames.

[Mercsix8six]

isnt god everthing just put together yeaha i dont know

[Mercsix8six]

wow there must be some God man cux some cray shit just happed and man it makin me a little bit more of a beliver

[harris7]

as i said b4 this is called the problem of Evil in philosophy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_problem_of_evil

good link. it goes intot he problem in several religions and i think it has some rebuttles, maybe you'd like

[smoke it]

^^^ good link thanks^^^

[Pass That Shit]

Jaggededge's quote is a perfect example why I feel that God is a righteous judge. God made man in his image. In the image of God made he male and female. God is faced with making decisions all the time. A ruler has to make decisions to govern. After all, he is the king of kings. He made man like himself. Every man has a soul and spirit. In the midst of the garden where man was placed was a tree which was not to be eaten from. Man disobeyed God's law and sin entered into the world. Through sin came death. This is the reason we all have to die. We're here for a cause. We're not dying cause of the big bang theory or evolution. Why not anaylize why science is not perfect? Why does our energy come to an end? Instead of asking why we're not in a perfect world, have a little patience and allow him to correct it, cause he will. Don't knock him, cause he's gonna fix the problems that exist. Nothing offensive will enter into the kingdom of God. That's why I carry joy in this cold world. Cause I know it's gonna get better. Stay tuned, life after death. I don't know why people dislike God. The message that I hear from him is good so I totally don't understand God haters. :confused:


"[3] Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
[4] Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
[5] To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
[6] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
[7] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
[9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
[11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."

Why do you feel that you are more righteous than he is? Have you proven him wrong? Where's your proof? How can you have proof against something that has substance and evidence? Instead of trying to prove him wrong, you should be playing your cards right. If he exists, you're gonna have to work it out with him.

Don't bother to post that you proved God wrong cause you're only screaming it to other men. When you come before his presence, it'll be your words that will either justify you or condemn you. Damn, this blueberry is some good shit :stoned:

[mick mcmick]

the christian god is a lie perpetrated to control the masses. the REAL nature of god is beyond human understanding.

[Pass That Shit]

What masses?

[mick mcmick]

What masses?

i'm sorry i just don't know how to answer that question other than to say humanity.

there's not a single word in the bible written by jesus. and it was written in a all but dead language who's nuances and meanings have long been lost by all but the most esoteric and studied scholars. how can you even know what you are taking as "god's word" isn't anything more than what was intended for you to believe by those that wanted you to subvert your free thought, your untainted intuition of what is truly godly, and sacrifice it for what would keep them in power?

don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with believing that christ was an extraordinarily enlightened man. and wanting to model your life afte that. but all this business about a perfect, loving god who would cast you into an eternity of unimaginable suffering is a load of shit. to live a benevolent life in promise for reward and to not harm your fellow man because of punishment is not an enlightened life. and yes, i am willing to lay my soul (if there is such a thing) on the line for that.

fear is NOT the heart of love.

[slipknotpsycho]

here is the truth, i myself dont' believe in god, but this is a universal answer, we will never know, ever, period. all we can do is speculate, that's it, nothing more. there is no proof either way, and it's a constant battle, that started many many years ago, and doesn't look like it'll be ending anytime soon.

for every inconsistancy you throw in a christian's face, they have an excuse, or in their words a 'reason', it doesn't matter what you shove their nose in, there's always a back door, always a way out, the further and further you shove, the more and more likely it's going to end with some vauge statment such as "god has his will, and everything follows that will, he needs not to explain himself to us, because he is god" or something along those lines.

it's useless to stir up the controversy over it, it's useless to try and make people listen to reason, all they know is there's a magical man up there, that made everything, and has a will for everything, and that's it. as much as i hate to actually say it, it's called faith, they can't for sure know it's there, they can't see it, all they can do is have faith that they're not being decieved, and follow the life the bible and 'god's word' has set out for them.

imho, i don't believe in god, but the bible does have alot of valuable morals and rules in it, that without, life would be pretty damn bad, can you imgaine how many more murders, and other violent criminals there would be, if they too, didn't think there was some magical man watching them... for alot of people out there, the only thing that keeps them in check, and living a 'decent' life is fear....

fear is a powerful tool, it can cause you to throw out everything you know, survival is a prime example, some guy pulls a gun on you, you get scared. mostly all you can think about is how you're going to rip that gun out of his hand and kill him with it, whereas, if you weren't scared, murder would never even cross your mind. fear can make a man walk a straight line, it can make a man run far away from that line... which brings me to my most upheld belief, one i believe more than any other scenario or theory i've concocted in this twisted wreck i call my brain...

the bible was created by men, to scare men. think about it, what more than a god, could put enough fear in hundreds of thousands, millions of people, and make them abide by common everyday values we all live by now. back then there wasn't forensics, there wasn't really much of any justice system, so how do you keep all these people in check, and abide these rules we'll call the rules of life? (not stealing, not killing, ect ect, most of it is in the ten commandments) well if you have no real way of tracking down culprits of crimes and making them pay for them, hopefully putting fear into others so they don't follow the same path, you give them god, god, watches everything, every move, he knows what you're going to do before you do it, and if you should so happen to break these laws he's set for you, the punishment is everlasting torture...

people back then were also alot more gullable then now, which made it easy to set in the word of god, and put the fear into people in order to controll them... i've spent countless hours, trying to solve the great mystery of life and god, but somehow i always can only come to this conclusion, even the bible itsself admits it was written by man, it claims it's the word of god, but a man still wrote it, god himself didn't come down with a golden feather to dictate his own words...

being that it was written by man, completey discredits the whole idea to me, people make mistakes, people over exagerate, and people plain out lie... quite personally, life is too short to be trying to figure out which words were 'actually from god' and which were not meant to be there in the first place.... not to mention this book was written well over 2,000 years ago, and been translated hundreds of times... it's like that kids game where you whisper something into the person's ear that's next to you, and by the time the phrase has gone through 10 people, the phrase is absolutely nothing like what it started....

[smoke it]

but pass that shit, god if supposedly an all-knowing, all-seeing being. you are now questioning your god.

[Cage]

In my heart of hearts, I cannot deny that I believe in God. I also think evil is needed right now, it's obvious that many people see evil in the world and are disgusted by it. Why does evil exist? I think so we might learn from it, and better ourselves as we progress as a species.

The fact that Evil exists, doesn't bother me; the people that try to put fear in my heart do.

"Love is my Religion" (Ziggy Marley) [A great man, btw]

There is no fear in Love...

[fikusroot]

But good and evil are all relative terms. To some, cannabis is evil but to most of us here it is a good, eye opening drug. And second, you have to have a ying to the yang otherwise there is no yang (substitute ying w/ bad ang yand with good). If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. I personally don't believe in god but this is a very strong case for him. The idea that our whole reality is so infinately perfect and controlled... But then again, our reality is the only reality we know so we have no basis of comparison. Imagine say, that there were billions of gods who made billions of universe. We'd have no idea wether or not our universe was the shittiest one there or not. But since we have no basis of comparison, our univers, our reality, seems so infinately perfect and complex.
Think that one over for a while.

[fikusroot]

and slip knot, you have a few holes in your argument, I'm just getting to tired to point them out. but yea, theyre there. Just know that religion is a necessary venue for many people and to flame them for it will only get them more pissed. Like if some guy suddenly came on saying that cannabis will eventually cause your head to explode.

[Pass That Shit]

The word of god was written by man but inspired by God. God put the words in their heart and they put the words on paper. God used man to write his word. The scriptures are the words God chose, not man. There are so many things in the bible that wouldn't be possible for man to know. The bible is super natural. The bible is the owners manual that comes with your life.

Man ruining the bible is a bunch of BS. Every word of God is pure and still perfect. His words are not for private interpretation, but rather comparing scripture with scripture. If you want to say that religion twisted the word of God, then I'll buy it.

I fear the LORD but there is no fear in my heart cause of perfect love.

"Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God."

[Kindbud]

Life is good , live it. Do not worry about progressive thoughts on religion , just live every single day to the fullest, that's what I believe atleast.

-Carpe Diem

[Inferius]

Seize the carp!

[Pass That Shit]

United, you obviously don't believe in his word.

"I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

"Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell."

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."





[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

[fikusroot]

Amen. You show those religous sheep whose boss! You don't follow a religion, your religion should follow you. The bible is not the truth but it has good ideas. Think about it, in Sunday school, at church, who told you that Jesus was lord? Man. Who do you sit and pray with during your bible studies? Men. Jesus is like a drug. The truly religious people know about what I'm talking about. That feeling they get when they feel that Jesus or God has touched them? On the outside, it's easy to see how foolish and blown out of proportion the whole concept of organized religion is but to those on the inside, it is an addiction that they have been conviced is OK by other addicts. I'm not saying to stop believeing in God. Just don't try to be so self rightous and do not DO NOT try to impose you're religion on others. Spread the good news means to simply give information, not tell people that they are going to hell. The vast majority of Christians make me sick but there are still people sensible enough to have faith but not be fanatical. To realize that the whole purpose of Christianity is to make the world a better place.

[bongbaby45]

when you trip ooff of ccc how do you know when you fell engery cause all my friends say oh i feel so much engery and i want to feel it too like i want to pass it too you know what i mean???? like sit in a circle and shit please explain if you can and when you trip are you suposed to feel a burning sunsation caus ethats what i feel!!! well i gotta go peace

*if you dont cough you wont get off**:dance: :rasta:

[rainbow_jo]

there is no such thing as evil.

[Cheery Cherry]

This has been a real interesting thread for me as I am currently looking for what religious belief is right for me as there are so many out there right now. Both of my parents never went to church as I was growing up but both went to religious schools when THEY were growing up. They never really talked about God with me unless I asked them about God. I know bits and pieces about the bible and I am very interested in learning about the bible.

I believe in God and I believe that everyone has a purpose in life...I don't know what the purpose is. Anyway, I read everyone's replies in this thread and each post makes some sense to me, to a point...except the very first post.

The more I read about different religion out there, the more confused and overwhelmed I get. How do you know when certain religion is right for you? How do you go about looking for a place where you can go to learn about God and know it's the right one?

I apologize if I sound silly and a bit ignorant.

[JunkYard]

This has been a real interesting thread for me as I am currently looking for what religious belief is right for me as there are so many out there right now. Both of my parents never went to church as I was growing up but both went to religious schools when THEY were growing up. They never really talked about God with me unless I asked them about God. I know bits and pieces about the bible and I am very interested in learning about the bible.

I believe in God and I believe that everyone has a purpose in life...I don't know what the purpose is. Anyway, I read everyone's replies in this thread and each post makes some sense to me, to a point...except the very first post.

The more I read about different religion out there, the more confused and overwhelmed I get. How do you know when certain religion is right for you? How do you go about looking for a place where you can go to learn about God and know it's the right one?

I apologize if I sound silly and a bit ignorant.


Hi Cheery,

No one can tell you what 'religion' will be right for you; there are so many things to consider. Like, what do you value? What do you want out of this life? I can help you discern what 'not' to get caught into, but I won't be specific.

When discerning which would suit you best, look at those who are part of that religion. What spirit are they walking in? Are they angry, or peacful? Are they boastful, arrogantly proud, or calm and sensible? Do they exhibit contentment, or discontent?

In reality, no religion is perfect. There will always be some who spoil the message, and pervert it. I personally found my path in Christ. Although, the Bible can be very complex and confusing, particularly for those just entering into this religion. So, with that said, enter in the straight gate if thinking about the Christian faith. Some call the straight gate the entire Bible, while others call it living according to the rules therein, but I call it Love.

Jesus' entire life on this earth was about the love of God. He taught, he preached, he lived that Love. Christ was a shining example of what it means to know Love and live it. He was killed because of the darkness in mans heart, and for that very reason he came...so that we might be free from that kind of darkness through what he taught, and by his example. Most Christians disagree with the sentiment, they focus on his death, and not his life. He was said to be the 'Word of God' and I personaly believe he lived that word, and taught it well. :)

Even so, this is your choice to make. Some make the Bible into a scary book, but others see with their hearts, and understand who God is. I can't tell you, as you will know when you find it. (Deep inside) I might give you a hint though...


Love,


:)

[LIP]

I dont belive in God, because i cant understand what he or it means.

I mean, EVERYTHING in this universe has a cause, but does God have to have a cause? If he exsisted, then yes, he would. And "the big bang" .... that would have to have had a cause too.

I dont even know if this has anything to do with this thread rofl.

[Cheery Cherry]

Hello JunkYard...thank you for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. Your words definitely makes a lot of sense to me.

[JunkYard]

Hello JunkYard...thank you for your reply. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to me. Your words definitely makes a lot of sense to me.



You're welcome, Cheery Cherry...

I understand that I'm not much help, as choosing a path is a difficult, and very personal choice. I hope you find what you are looking for, and I truly hope you come to know the Love that is honored in most every religion of the world. :)


Much Love,

[Mechanix]

I am not religious, but if there is some Nature Goddess than that is fine with me.