Gay marrige

[stangle12]

first off, this is my first post in about five months...for that absence i apologize. i hope at least somebody remembers who i am....

ok, back to my point.
up until about a week ago, i couldnt be more for gay marrige in every aspect. but this past week in my child psycology class, we learned about how important it is to have both a mother and father in a childs life. Children who are forced to go through the death of a parent, or a brutal divorce suffer in more ways then the disolve of their family. there are crucial things, by nature, that a man or a woman provide for their child. Think back to when you were a kid, and you can pick out sertain aspects of this.

now what does this have to do with gay marrige?? well alot of gay couples want to adopt. And this is where i have a new problem. i dont think gay parents can physcologicly provide for a child. I now think that children have enough to cope with in there lifes, and this is a situation wher eyou have to think of the children.

I am all for gay couples recieving every single right that married couples recieve. But when it comes to adopting children, i feel there should be guidelines. There are situations that gay parents would uniquely come across...such as..."how come billy has a daddy and a mommy and i have two daddies"
guess what, the answer to that question can fuck a kid up!!!
Gay parents should be liscened. I know that sounds fucked up, but i think its true.

man...im fucked up tonight.

[potsmokingnome]

first off, this is my first post in about five months...for that absence i apologize. i hope at least somebody remembers who i am....

ok, back to my point.
up until about a week ago, i couldnt be more for gay marrige in every aspect. but this past week in my child psycology class, we learned about how important it is to have both a mother and father in a childs life. Children who are forced to go through the death of a parent, or a brutal divorce suffer in more ways then the disolve of their family. there are crucial things, by nature, that a man or a woman provide for their child. Think back to when you were a kid, and you can pick out sertain aspects of this.

now what does this have to do with gay marrige?? well alot of gay couples want to adopt. And this is where i have a new problem. i dont think gay parents can physcologicly provide for a child. I now think that children have enough to cope with in there lifes, and this is a situation wher eyou have to think of the children.

I am all for gay couples recieving every single right that married couples recieve. But when it comes to adopting children, i feel there should be guidelines. There are situations that gay parents would uniquely come across...such as..."how come billy has a daddy and a mommy and i have two daddies"
guess what, the answer to that question can fuck a kid up!!!
Gay parents should be liscened. I know that sounds fucked up, but i think its true.

man...im fucked up tonight.

Fuck yeah i rember you, I have to sign off now, but I will read this thread tomorrow, all I got to say for now is WELCOME BACK!!! I use to love reading your post, you crack me up big time lol, but ya cya alater! keep postin again! and I wuill read this thread fully later :)

[4gan2ja0]

i dunno man, if they want to adopt, thats their choice. also, i dont think it can fuck them up, theyd be used to having two dads/moms and find it completely normal. most children are very understanding of this. it doesnt matter if you have a mom and dad or two moms or dads, its the parenting that they do that makes the kid who they are.

also, i guess i joined after you left, so hey man whats up? looking forward to seeing more of you in the future

[Inferius]

There are enough unloved children in this world.

I would much rather see a child with two parents of the same sex than with none at all.

[PotHeed420]

yeah i get what your saying, a child growing up with out a mother can really crush them in their future. people like dhamer and gacy were neglected by a parent and eventually it just makes you snap.

[crudemood]

Yeah I think I was new but I remember your crazy avatar.
I doubt having both parents the same gender can really mess the person up. Having two parents of the same gender should be just as normal as having a mother and a father. Its not like the kids will live a life that will be completely shut out from the world, they'll eventually learn what its like to be a 'boy' or a 'girl'.
Yeah they'll ask why I have two daddys and he has a mom and dad. It'll be like asking why am I white and why is he black. Its just a part of life, part of evolution or genetics. The world has a million things going on in it so being concerned about a gay parents can really mess up a child as much as you say.

[JaggedEdge]

Dude, I was raised by my mom and grandmother. The absense of a full time father hasn't caused much damage to me. I may not be able to change my oil, but I turned out alright. Two women for me did a fine job. Isn't it better for a child to grow up in a gay home than an orpanage (sp). Come on, there are to many children with no where to go. And two parent, male/female homes aren't alway's healthy enviornments.

[birdgirl73]

Hey, Stangle. Welcome back. I'm not sure we ever talked five months or more ago, but I remember your avatar and am glad you're back with us.

Im fairly well convinced that licensing of gay parents would be unfair because, frankly, I've seen far more opposite-sex straight people mess up their kids than gay adoptive couples ever have. I know three gay couples with children, and in comparison to the proportionally larger number of straight ones with either adopted or body-borne kids that I know, the gay parents win the well-adjusted-kids contest hands down.

Any sort of couple can provide balance to a child. In two-parent hetero marriages, the mom and dad complement each other. One might be more nuturing and softly affectionate whereas the other might be more rambuctious and energetic. The kid benefits from those complementary differences. But I maintain that all couples have those differences, straight or gay. Look at any gay couple and see which partner has the more feminine tendencies, and you can see those differences even before kids come into the picture.
It's the balance of two complementary, in-residence, loving, psychologically healthy parents that gives kids a nice double-anchor, and two-parent families also have a financial advantage. Most of the research on this subject validates the fact that gay parents are just as good at parenting well-adjusted children, if not better, than straight ones. I personally believe that a loving gay couple who strongly wants children may be superior in lots of ways. I think adoptive parents in general, gay or straight, often have an edge on the breeders simply because they actively, consciously desire children and have to overcome several more obstacles in order to build a family. Some of us breeders actively, consciously desired children, too, but too many others do not. Anyway, I vote no licensing unless everyone has to pass the same licensing restrictions.

Maybe the true test ought to be an obstacle course. Then the folks who win, showing the strongest determination to overcome obstacles to have a family, can undergo a series of screening checks. Then, once they clear both the obstacle course and the screens, they can go procreate or adopt, whichever they choose.

[Skink]

I remember you,sup???

I would not touch this topic with a ten foot pole...

[birdgirl73]

Skink, you brought back the original Skink avatar I first knew you with!! Good to see the "Skinkzard" again.

[Hamlet]

There are two old lesbians who live down the street from me. They've been together thirty-five years through thick and thin. Now one has lupis and it would be infinitely helpful if they could share the same legal privileges married couples have. There should be, at least, some sort of 'Civil Union' arrangement available to them.

But assholes like this closet-case stand in their way.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

Would gay couples make good parents? Many would-especially in comparison to the crackhouses the children came from. In a way they might even be better suited for helping a kid deal with the fact that they don't live in a "Leave it to Beaver" world.

Then again, there's always the dark side of that arrangement. Licensing all parents would be brilliant if it were possible.

[Bong30]

If you want to be Gay be gay, but when you bring kids in the mix. HELL NO


strangle hey whats up...been a while. I agree with you one hundred percent.

Just because heteros fuck up, doesnt mean its ok for Gays to have kids.

I worked with a lady...that was Great she was a a lesbian, and cool, but then her and her partner, decide to have kids... artificial like.....

Then her and her Partner decide to BREAK up after they have 2 kids....

The older one is a girls, BUT the Younger ne is a BOY. Now his mom is bringing all these WOMEN in the house.....

What chance does that boy have of having a normal life.

to me if god wanted us to be Gay we would be ASEXUAL. But we are not.

if we were all gay we would be gone..............

Gays should not have kids.... you need a Mother and a Father, I voted tht way also.

[Hamlet]

to me if god wanted us to be Gay we would be ASEXUAL. But we are not.

If God didn't want gays you have to ask yourself why he made one in ten of us that way. ...or why he would fill up his priesthood with them.

[MaryJaneScott]

This is how I see it...


stangle!!! You're back!!!! we missed you!!


that is all.

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[az666]

I don't think having a mother and a father is as important now as it was years ago...I can understand in cavemen times....or times when you would be cast out of society for being gay.

What are you going to say when your kid (assuming you have kids) asks you why one of his friends has 2 dads...

haha I might be biased, as I hope to adopt a kid if I get a longterm/perminant boyfriend, or even a surrogate mother....but I guess thats a little bit off topic.

My point is I think gay parents should be allowed to adopt kids...100%

Bong30, i guess the chances of that boy having a normal life depends on how the mother brings him up....there are pleanty of single women who bring up kids....pleanty of single men that do the same. There are pleanty of gay parents who raise normal children....just my thoughts

[jamstigator]

Saw an article the other day that showed that virtually all mammalian species exhibit homosexual behavior in their populations. If there is a God and he/she didn't want mammals to act like that...then they wouldn't. Since it's such widespread and prevalent behavior, across such a range of species, it looks like that's just the way things were intended to be. Incidentally homosexuality and asexuality or not at all the same thing. Some populations (bonobos, for example) use homosex to defuse stressful situations (meeting a new pack, whatever), or just as a form of (very) friendly comaraderie.

What I wonder is, if as a species population increases and reaches the point of overpopulation problems, does the *percentage* of homosexuals in the population increase as well? If so, that'd imply that nature begins selecting for homosexuality as a species survival trait.

Anyway, since it seems to be normal and natural for most any mammalian species to have homosexuals in the population, I can't see persecuting people for it. Like red hair or brown skin or blue eyes or whatever, it's just another trait some people have and some people don't, not a big deal.

[Breukelen advocaat]

There are very few men anymore that exhibit any understanding of what it is to be one. Many people have been brainwashed by feminist pseudohistory, lies, and distortions. Boys cannot learn what masculinity is from a woman, because they have no understanding of the male psyche. The "single mother" is the single worst family idea that we have taken up in this society. Orpanages, such as Boy's Town (now Girls and Boys Town) were, and are, better than the one-parent houshold with a female head. Two gay males would be a better choice for raising a child, especially a boy, than a single mother.

[Bong30]

There are very few men anymore that exhibit any understanding of what it is to be one. Many people have been brainwashed by feminist pseudohistory, lies, and distortions. Boys cannot learn what masculinity is from a woman, because they have no understanding of the male psyche. The "single mother" is the single worst family idea that we have taken up in this society. Orpanages, such as Boy's Town (now Girls and Boys Town) were, and are, better than the one-parent houshold with a female head. Two gay males would be a better choice for raising a child, especially a boy, than a single mother.

I was raised, by a single Mother.....You are 100% right BA

It sucked Bad my MOM did the best she could...

But when I needed to start shaving I had to ask a GUY at her work how to shave my face.......

[Breukelen advocaat]

I was raised, by a single Mother.....You are 100% right BA

It sucked Bad my MOM did the best she could...

But when I needed to start shaving I had to ask a GUY at her work how to shave my face.......
Mothers that are widows are different - they should be given help and other resources in a truly beneficial patriarchial society. The same should be true for widowers with children. When my mother died, I was in my early teens and received no counseling, help, or aid at all.

[Fengzi]

The way I see it is that gays who want to adopt do it because they really want children. Therefore, they they most likely provide a very loving environment for that child. That in itself should make up for any shortcomings having two parents of the same sex would present.

Preventing gays from adopting has much more to do with the national homophobia than it does with protecting the interests of the children. Don't beleive me? Well, take a look at this list of potential parents

-White Supremecists
-Far out cult members.
-Crack addicts
-Convicted felons (murderers, bank robbers, etc)
-Sex offenders
-Welfare moms
-etc.

Nobody seems to have a problem with these people having kids, so why just gays? God forbid Steve and Larry want to adopt, but that creepy guy who hangs around the middle school with a camera can have kid (assuming he finds a woman to legally have sex with). There's a lot more to being good parents then just being Mommy and Daddy.

[az666]

The way I see it is that gays who want to adopt do it because they really want children. Therefore, they they most likely provide a very loving environment for that child. That in itself should make up for any shortcomings having two parents of the same sex would present.

Preventing gays from adopting has much more to do with the national homophobia than it does with protecting the interests of the children. Don't beleive me? Well, take a look at this list of potential parents

-White Supremecists
-Far out cult members.
-Crack addicts
-Convicted felons (murderers, bank robbers, etc)
-Sex offenders
-Welfare moms
-etc.

Nobody seems to have a problem with these people having kids, so why just gays? God forbid Steve and Larry want to adopt, but that creepy guy who hangs around the middle school with a camera can have kid (assuming he finds a woman to legally have sex with). There's a lot more to being good parents then just being Mommy and Daddy.


VERY well said!!
I couldn't agree more!! :thumbsup:

[Skink]

Skink, you brought back the original Skink avatar I first knew you with!! Good to see the "Skinkzard" again.

sorry BG,,,it was temp but he will return...

[Bong30]

The way I see it is that gays who want to adopt do it because they really want children. Therefore, they they most likely provide a very loving environment for that child. That in itself should make up for any shortcomings having two parents of the same sex would present.

That is so selfish..... to hell with what the parents want...think about the kid.


Preventing gays from adopting has much more to do with the national homophobia than it does with protecting the interests of the children. Don't beleive me? Well, take a look at this list of potential parents

-White Supremecists......Uhh Dont see the Point....they can make babies
-Far out cult members. Like Tom Cruise...dont see the Point
-Crack addicts That is Against the law and baby will be gone from Social services....
-Convicted felons (murderers, bank robbers, etc) Im sure they cant adopt...they cant even vote dont see the point....
-Sex offenders will never be able to adopt.....dont see the point
-Welfare moms My mom worked 3 jobs not to be on welfare watch your MOUTH
-etc.

Nobody seems to have a problem with these people having kids, so why just gays? God forbid Steve and Larry want to adopt, but that creepy guy who hangs around the middle school with a camera can have kid (assuming he finds a woman to legally have sex with). There's a lot more to being good parents then just being Mommy and Daddy.


My questions is.....are all the hetro couples that want to adopt, all taken, Meaning are there any hetro couples. waiting to adopt today?

Once all the hetro familys that cant have Kids the way God ment, have adoped all the kids they can.........then talk to me about gay adoption.

Think of it like this.....this kid (person) has rights.......
It has the right not to be put into a gay life style. When there are Hetro Familys crying to sleep at night cause they cant have kids.

Peace
Fengzi

[Fengzi]

My point Bong, with all those other "parents, those that can have kids, is that they are far more likely to raise kids in a fucked up environment and/or seriously abuse the kids. And yet, nobody would ever consider taking away the child of the grand dragon of the KKK because living in that household would be bad for the child. If it really was about the welfare of the child, and we were trying to protect then from damaging "lifestyles" then social services would be a lot busier.

As far as hetero couples getting preference, I actually do agree with you. If it comes down to all factors being equal, except one couple is hetero and one gay, the hetero couple should get preference. But to simple say "gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt" is very shallow minded.

Edit- Kudos to your Mom. She provided a good influence to you. My comment about welfare Mom's was mothers who have no intention of working and have made an art out of milking the system so you and I pay for their children. Not a good influence.