my second closet growing attempt!

[green horn]

hi all fucked up the first time. but this time things are lookin 10 times better. iput the seeds in a towel and all 12 sprouted so i planted them the next day now i got some sprouts growing its all awesome. i will post some picks soon if possible. but i still have some questions.

i have some plastic wrap over them right now so not to lose to much moisture how long should i keep it over them?

i have 4 cfl's wich seems to be doin alright my temp is between 28 and 30 degrees celcius my humidity is between 25 to 30 percent. is this good or should i lose some cfl's? i water 1 time a day with no nutrients or anything is this good or should i water less? when should i add nutrients?

how long do i have before they start to stink? and what type of lights should i put in for flowering? cause i have to put them into the closet soon.

oh and i have a fan ready to go but how long before i should turn it on?

[DamianLucifer]

Depends on how big the pots are you should let them almost dry out between watering with a small pot and seedlings you may have to water everyday I read somewhere that you should pick up your pots when they are dry then again right after you water so you can get to know how much water your plants have

[green horn]

k its been 4 days since i planted my seeds and i have 9 out of the 12 seeds are showing good growth. should i keep watering the other 3 pots or should i try re germinating them? cause they havent sprouted or nothing yet.

other than that things look good some of the plants are really tall already like 3 inches i am shocked. ill try to post some picks soon.

[green horn]

1 is the 3 that didnt grow

2 is my whole closet

3 is my lights and all the pots

and the rest are just more picks any advice thou would be apreciated. thanks

[JEFFAR420]

I beleive tin foil is baaaad, maybe not so much with CFL's but I dont really kno.

[2MC5]

UUUHHHH NO FOIL IT GET WAY TO HOT! good luck on the 2 grow :)

[oturbojoeo4o]

spread them CFLs out more somehow

[good ol daze]

You gotta put the lights closer. Those plants will topple soon unless you stake them.

[green horn]

k guys here are my girls 7 days old. just bot some nutrients 10-15-10 gonna start givin em that. probably gonna turn fan on soon too. any suggestions?

[JEFFAR420]

did you buy shultz 10-15-10, and are you going to keep the tin foil up?

[kdspecial]

My suggestion would be to not give them that nutrient. Wait untill they get bigger and stronger. 3 or 4 weeks unless they show you signs of needing the Nutes.

start mixing the nutes at half strength as well. work your plants gradually into nutes as they need them.

kd

[kdspecial]

Also since your plants stretched so much you should fill the pots up right to the brim with soil. I notice dyou have the room. This will help them from falling over and bending.

Get those cfls closer 2 inches just watch your heat. The sooner you replace that foil with milar or white plastic you will have happier plants..
kd

[green horn]

k im gonna fill the pots up the rest of the way tonight. and yes that is schults nutrients. and i will take it easy on the nuts i think. but im probably gonna leave the foil up for this grow cause its to much hassell to take all that shit out. but ill change it for next grow. um will cfl's work for flowering or is there a type of light that is readily available i shoukld look for? how long do i have before i should seperate males and females? and how long before they start to smell? cause i have more work to do to closet to get it ready for smell.

[green horn]

k these are my babies at day 10. how do they look? i think there doin good. i dont know anything about prunning them should i ?? and any other sugestions would be good.

[Cornelius]

They will start to smell probably in a week or two. For flowering you will want to get a light that has a 2700k color temperature, as this wavelength encourages flowering. You can use warm white CFLs, or a high pressure sodium lamp. The HPS will be your best bet, but expect to pay between $100-200 on a good hps light.

how are you dealing with the smell?

[green horn]

ya i bought a bathroom fan and i plan on hooking it up and conecting it to the ventilation pipe that goes right threw that closet and out the top of my house. i think it should work good. i have a fairly big closet now im not sure how long i should veg for cause i have no real hight restrictions but i dont want to grow for 6 months before i get any smoke. how long should i veg for and flower for. so that i get a fair bit of smoke but not take forever either? and im not sure if i should fim, or prune, or just let nature take its coarse cause i really dont want to fuck it up.

[50ul }{4ck3r]

i wish i was able to grow more then one plant....but in the furture...big grow 8 pounds of light

[green horn]

here are all my babies the 3 up front are my best right now so i took some picks can anyone tell the sex of these plants yet? and how much longer before i should fim?

this is day 14 everything seems to be goin good. and coments or advise would be apreciated.

[BLaQLiGhT]

What light cycle are they on right now? You won't know their sex until you froce flowering (change light cycle to 12/12) or let them get fully mature during veg which can't take 5 to 6 weeks on a 24/0 or 18/6 light cycle and you see pre-flowers. Your plants look really good for only 14 days of veg, if you have the space in your cab, you should let them VEg for 2 more weeks then flower them. If height becomes a problem, which always does, you can them LST them uring flowering which will then give your plants more light to their bottom leaves and they will have more buds sites that will grow bigger then usual. Keep up the good work green horn :thumbsup: ...

[green horn]

k i no i needed new lights for flowering so i bought a 150 watt high pressure sodium. and a big 40=150 watt cfl that gives 2600 lumens will these work? should i use both or just one? and i also bought a bar floresent light fixture should i just use the tube thats in it or by one of them grow lux tubes to put in? i cant wait to find out how many females i get im so excited. its like playing god and them u get a whole bunch of free weed lol its awesome. and i hear u can get some bud out of the males is that true?

[green horn]

k guys and gals here are my pictures of day 20. everything seems like its goin well i just cant wait tell there ready to flower. just how much longer do u all think i should wait? i was hopin that maybe i could start flowerin in like 2 more weeks or so. does that sound about rite or should i wait longer to get a suficiant amount of bud. the plants im growin are white widows cuase i hear its really good weed. any feed back would be awesome.

[green horn]

do i need a reflector to use my hps or a shield or somthin or can i just plug her in?

and its day 2o should i start low stress treatment yet or wait more?

[doco]

What all did you get when you bought the hps? It needs a ballast...I hope you got that much with it right? A reflector will help distribute the light downward better than without but depending on the design, they can trap & hold heat too.

Your plants are looking great...if you wait to flower for another two weeks, you will be in good shape...good strong stems to support the massive buds you'll be sprouting. :thumbsup:

[green horn]

k man all i got is the bulb what is this ballest thing and where do i get it at? and i dont know what's wrong with plants but some of the bottom leaves are a little droopy on some and some are a little discolered kinda a browny color but only on the bottom leaves the tops are perfect and its only on a couple plants and when do u think i should transplant or should i? i have them in 4 inch pots right now and i do have 6 inch ones here or should i go bigger or should i wait and seperate the males and females first?? and when i do seperate them what should i do with the males? i heard u can get a bit of weed from the males but do i need to set up another closet or somthin?

[doco]

A ballast is required for ignition and to provide enough current at glow discharge voltage for a HID lamp, either metal halide or hps. Does your bulb have a larger, mogel socket on it or a standard medium?

You might check the place you got the bulb at for a ballast or they have them here: http://www.atlaslightingsupply.com/HPSballastwLamp.html in kits for about $50. You can search the forums here and find info on building your own....there's hundreds of threads here by people who bought standard 150w hps fixtures w/built-in ballasts for around $75 and adapted them for small grow areas.

Sorry I can't help with plant problem diagnosis.
Forget the males, just thank them & kill em. Later on you may want some to breed but that will be down the road.

[doco]

Here: I found another place that has them way cheaper: http://www.e-conolight.com/Product/EProductDetail.asp?ProductFamilyID=15&FGNumber=E-BLH151

Under $20 for a 150 HPS ballast...good deal.

[rollone]

$20.00 for a ballest! Man....can't beat that!

Nice grow so far....pat yourself on the back.
You want to transplant right about now....actually might be alittle late in that respect, but no harm done.
the longer you can wait till switching from VEG. to Bloom the better off if you have the room!...know what I mean?
Sounds like you just bought the bulb...a replacment bulb. You'll need socket commonly called (Mogul socket), ballest...and in most cases the ignitor, and cap. are already wired. If it is of that type, check with an electrical store, lighting store, ect. Ask for these products over the phone...don't make the drive if ya don't have too:D
also if you go that route, learn to read the diagram on the ballest for wiring.

[green horn]

my plants are all droopy and turning yello in spots i cant figure out wats wrong maybe they got nute burn, or maybe the fan is drying out pots to fast and i aint waterin enugh?im not sure. um thanks for the feedbadk and ill transplant asap.

[crazywill]

I think you need 3 or 7 gallon pots if want a good root ball,for the flowering.
Repot them now before flowering and the plants will love you and get you alot
more bud too.

[rollone]

Back off on the next watering. Let them dry out real good on this next one.
While your at it, put the pots on something that will allow the bottom to breath alittle. When you transplant...(which also needs to be done remember), add some lava rock, or the like on the bottom before you add your natural medium (peat, Perlite, sand, ect.). This allows for better drainage. You prolly just got done watering your plants I assume? But do remember to clean up the bottom of the floor. Don't leave any freestanding water around, dead leaf matter, ect.

Oz. of prevention, is an Oz. of bud....or something like that;)

[green horn]

k i plan to transplant tomoro night and things are lookin better except for a little nut burn. i think. i hope they gonna be alright. no more droopy leafs anyhow. and it looks like some shoots or somthin is sproutin and how do u tell the sex of a plant? and can u tell the sex from any of these picks.

[smokin dope]

ya slow down on the nutes, and re pot. lookin good ill be watchin this one. congrats

[rollone]

Thats your side growth starting to kick in. the lower half of the plant will start to grow out, trying all it can to catch up to the lights. Basicly it's just your plant about to hit another life cycle...which their are many.

I can't see sign's of sex yet with those photo's. thier clear enough, but I think it's still to soon. If your side growth has not kicked in till now, then I'd say roughly another 1 and half weeks left till you'd be able to notice anything. Keep in mind though at anytime, the plant could just start to go insanly mad with a growth spurt!
In either case you still have abit of time to wait.

? for ya...
When and just how much nutes. have you given them at this point? NPK ratio? name of product?

[Big_House26]

Ditch the tin foil green horn, it creates wicked hot spots..!

[green horn]

k i transplanted 4 days ago into 6 inch pots it was defanitly needed. my plants are doin much better. do u think ill need to transplant into bigger pots again before im done? and there is a few brown dead leaves on some of the plants would it be a good idea to cut these off now that there dead?
and i havent given any nutes since the nute burn a week ago . i use this schultz liquid plant food. 10-15-10. should i be givin them nutes again or just lay off for a while? ill have some new picks for u all shortly.

[green horn]

k here are some picks tell me what u think. and im thinkin about just using 4
40 watt cfl's for flowering this time they put out 2600 lumens and isint that close to what u want for flowering. mostly cause i wont have much time to set up a ballest and hps light. but my next grow ill probably use it. would it still work? should i be lst ing my plants yet? any feedback would be good. thanks all.

[green horn]

things are lookin great my plants are startin to get nice and big and bushy they just loved that transplant. ill show pics later today when i get home.

[green horn]

ok everyone here are my latest picks and its day 35 and everything is lookin good. any thoughts or concerns? and when do u think i should start flowering?

[E Man]

Hi Green Horn

I think that if you repot into 3 gallon pots before you start flowering, you won't have root bound plants. Transplanting while they're making buds might affect the size of your harvest. Just a thought. :thumbsup:

[keeko]

^.....what e man said, you can start flowering now, but you will want to transplant into a 3 gallon pot...a good rule is 1foot plant=1gallon pot.

[green horn]

ok im off to get 3 gallon pots today. ttyl.

[green horn]

k the pots i got are not quite 3 gallons but they should work. they are friggin huge i donno what im gonna do i wont be able to fit them all on the bottom i think ill have to do some major reorganizing tonight and re make my closet ill post picks when im all done.

[green horn]

k i finished changing my closet around. i was able to fit 7 pots but i had to put 1 up top but i figure there will probably be at least 1 male ill have to remove. then they will alll fit. i have 1 2600 lumens cfl and i am using my smaller old cfl's. will this set up work for flowering? or should i buy a few more 2600 lumens cfl's and get rid of the rest? im gonna let the plants adjust to the transplant for a day or so then im gonna change to 12 and 12. within a week ill post some good up close picks of all my plants numbered and u all can tell me what they are male or female? cause i have to get rid of the males pretty quick i read. does anyone have a guess on what my yield will be per plant. i realize it would only be a guess. and is there anything else im forgettin about?? any tips or opinions or feedback would be great. thanks for all the help.

[green horn]

k here are my first 4 plants the pots are numbered in case u can tell the sex of any of them. and i have 2 more 2700 lumens cfl's on order they will be here on thurs. ill put my other 4 plants in the next reply.

[green horn]

k here are numbers 5 - 8 i took a second picture of plant 8 cause it split from the stem but i think its a male. and i just started giving nutes again 1 time every 2 or 3 days. just so i dont nute burn again. k here are all my pics tell me what u all think.

[green horn]

k its day 5 flowering. all my babies are still lookin good but they havent changed much so im not gonna take any new picks i think illl wait a few more days. but im hopin ill be able to tell the sex soon cause i dont want to leave the males in too long cause it might wreck the whole batch. and that would just be depressing to not get any smoke from all this work. just cause its come so far and im so close. anyhow ttyl.

[MadHatter79]

I think that if you want your plants to have big dense buds, you're going to need an HPS or MH bulb. I started like you; tons of cool blue bulbs. After getting the clones on their feet I realized I needed a lot more light. At 6 bucks a piece, buying say 6 or 8, you're going to start wishing you could take back the bulbs and buy yourself a little more worthy light set up. Don't get me wrong, you're plants look great for what you have, but don't forget you're trying to get something from the plant. Check Ebay, you'll be surprised.

[green horn]

ya i know what u mean but the thing is i did by some mh bulbs that put out 2650 lumens but when i pluged them in they made the temp jump from 30.c to 41.c in no time even with the fan on. what can i do?

[green horn]

my mistake they are halogena bulbs and im gonna try to make some sort of heat shield out of a sheet of glass for these bulbs ill let u know tonight how it works out and ill post some new picks soon.

[green horn]

k here are some new picks. first is my new closet set up. and the other 4 are my plants numbered from 1 to 4 can u tell any sex?

[green horn]

k here hare my plants numbers 5 - 8. can u tell me any sex? i took 2 picks of the last one.

[Volker]

I can't tell anything defo yet. #4 lools kinda girly, but only kinda - so far. Earliest I've seen it show was 6 days after light change, 7-10 days is par, and boys tend to show first.

[green horn]

k thanks man ill post more pics in like 5 days or so.

[MadHatter79]

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[green horn]

k my plants have grown alot in the last few days like over an inch a day and i think 3 are starting to get flowers i have taken 2 pictures of each plant and i will post em up for u all tell me what u think. pants 1 and 2

[green horn]

3 and 4

[green horn]

plants 5 and 6

[green horn]

plants 7 and 8. and how long do i have before i need to seperate the males from the females. im gonna try to make hash from the males. lol

[Volker]

7 a boy, defo. Kill quickly.

That big ball on the top of #4 looks dangerously boyish. Girls don't (usually) form a button like that till after flowers start. Ditto #5. But can't see balls.

The rest can't tell yet for sure(good sign), but looking kinda girly.

[burnable]

my grows have taught me that you can spot a female immediately. Too often I've stared at little pod things for days that I can't definitively say are male balls. then it turns out that they always are male. it seems like you see those white pistils shoot out before you see anything else that could be construed as a preflower

[green horn]

i spoted some white hairs on 2 of my plants today at lunch. so im pretty sure there females. but ill post so me pics tonight just to be sure. oh and i killed plant number 7 last night cause it was male. i tried makin some hash out of him but i dont think i did it right or there just wasent enough plant to make anything out of.

[green horn]

k here are the pics of plants 1 - 4 im pretty sure 4 is a female for sure. tell me if u can spot anything else.

[green horn]

k here are plants 5, 6, and 8. im pretty sure 5 is a girl too. tell me what u think.

[Volker]

#1 boy
#2 boy
#3 can't tell
#4 can't tell, not clear enough
#5 girl
#6 girl? (blurry calyx)
#8 girl? (I see one hair)

[green horn]

k 1 and 2 are gone but i was thinkin about tryin to make hash out of em. but i tried mekin hash out of my last male but i didnt get anything out of the plant. i tried usin the blender method to seperate the plant matter but it didnt work. is it even worth makin hash out of 2 male plants? or do u need like 20 to make it worth wile?

[Volker]

k 1 and 2 are gone but i was thinkin about tryin to make hash out of em. but i tried mekin hash out of my last male but i didnt get anything out of the plant. i tried usin the blender method to seperate the plant matter but it didnt work. is it even worth makin hash out of 2 male plants? or do u need like 20 to make it worth wile?Only thing males are good for is making jizz. If you happen to like the taste of cannabis jizz...

There is minimal (almost no) THC in males. There are other cannibanoids, and you can catch a buzz smoking male "flowering" tops. You won't get high, but you can catch a buzz.

Males are useless for hash production, and just about useless for oil production.

[green horn]

k out of my 8 plants 3 werre males and are already gone and the other 5 are for sure females cause i can see white hairs on all of them. here are 2 picks of my best 2 girls at this point. 1 is number 4 and the other is number 5 its just great. i can see flowers and its day 15 for 12 and 12. im not sure how long im gonna flower for. i must do some reserch to find out when the best time to harvest is and how to identify that on the plant.take a look and tell me what u all think? any advice is much apreciated. im off to smoke some shity weed right now. but i really cant wait to try out this white widow. they say it is some pretty potent stuff. and it will be nice to know that my weed dont have any chemicals in it and that it is all natural. i will still keep u all posted threw the holidays. chow.

[hairyboblovesthemob]

Congraaats. Looks like your light gets a little too close to the plants like mine (I can see the burn on the leaf, haha). I hate when that shit happens but they grow so fast over night I have to move them up everyday.

[green horn]

k here are some picks of the closet. i got 5 plants in there 2 are a bit taller than the rest. i have 6 2700 lumens cfl's. should i be gettin a few more lights? i plan on gettin a hps. after this grow and i plan on gettin rid of the tinfoil after this grow too. but for now cfl's will do. i also have been given them nutes every second day. should i be giving them more? any other things i should be worryin about?

[Volker]

Is that a mirror on the side? If so, I'm assuming it's for viewing purposes, not light. Because it's only reflecting an image of the bulb, not the light from that bulb. (check your high school physics book)

Otherwise, looking good!

[green horn]

there is no mirror in there whatsoever it just looks like that. but thanks anyhow. roughly how many days does everyone think i should flower for?

[ate]

Can I ask what kind of sockets those are that you can just plug in directly to an outlet with the bulb connected right to it? In this case you have the two fixtures which screw into one fixture, and then you have that plugged into that cord. Thanks.

[Volker]

roughly how many days does everyone think i should flower for?:what:

Till it's done? Is this a trick question?

No way to tell your pistils start turning brown. This can be anywhen from 3 to 12 weeks. Most varieties have flowering periods of around 8 weeks.

[green horn]

k my plants seem like there doin good the two that were doin best before are really doinn good now. does that mean i might have to harvest them two first and wait a week or so for the rest? and this may seem silly but. if i just wanted to try 1 little bud would that be stupid? or would it not bother the plant any? just cause i am curious at to how much better this white widow plant is gonna be compared to the weed around here? (not very good weed)
thanks all and i plan on postin new picks tomoro.

[Completely Stoned]

I am SO impressed with this grow dude. PROPS to you. I cant believe it was done with all CFL's. Get a HIGH Pressure Sodium next time for the next grow and you'll probably mess yourself when you see how much MORE bud and growth you'll get. ;)

-Keep Tokin'

C.S.

[green horn]

thanks alot completly stoned. its nice to hear someone say that im doin good. there is defanitly some things i will change in between grows. k here are some picks from this mornin the 1 is a pick of my good plant there is a second plant doin equally as good. 2 is a pick of the other 3 wich looks like they got off to a bit of a slow start. and the third is of my set up. i put 7 seeds of purple power in a tuperwear container last night. im gonna get them started while my white widow finishes flowering. ill probably flower the 2 best white widow for 3 more weeks. and the other 3 a bit longer. wat u all think? and another question. the 3 that aree growin slower are seem quite bushy would it be a good idea to do some light leaf prunning to let more light get into the plant? k thanks ttyl

[crare]

on my first grow i tried one of the buds. it got me a little bit high, but you should just let it grow til it's ready. i suppose if you dried it out and then smoked it, it might get you higher. mine were smoked mostly wet.

you'll be much happier with them when they're ready.

[green horn]

k here i have 2 pics of my 1 plant it has started getting some brown hairs in the bud. what does this mean? does it mean that it started maturing faster? and i should think about drying soon? im really not too sure. tell me what u all think. or maybe this is natural. i dont know.

[green horn]

k i decided i am defanitly goin to by an hps light. im just wonderin how hard it is to wire up? cause im not exactly a genious that's why i stayed with cfl's there simple and easy. can i just wire the hps up to an extention cord? cause i dont have many plugs in my house. and im also worried about the heat it's gonna put out. i have already been funnin into heat problems in my closet but it seems to be doin alright never the less.

[green horn]

k its flowering day 29 and damn my lovely ladies are lookin gorgeous in these pics hope u like em. my 2 biggest ones are lookin great. and my other 3 all seam to be catchin up to them a bit. i am so excited to smoke this shit.

[green horn]

more pics

[green horn]

ha ha

[green horn]

flowering day 34. k well my cab was gettin pretty bushy. and i only got a few cfl's for flower right now so i decided to trim and dry the 2 biggest ones and im leavin the other 3 for another 2-3 weeks. but i figure the other 3 will do alot better now because the buds will get that much more light. now i just have to dry and cure my first 2 plants. oh ya and i already started my second grow in a little cabnit in my kitchin i planted 6 prpl power and they all sprouted. i think im gonna start usin less plants. and just start groomin them better and i got 2 get a hps or mh light soon. cause next time im flowerin there is gonna be lots of light and lots of bud. :)

[green horn]

hi all its been a while since i posted pics so ill have some up tonight i added a bit of tomato food last night the 3 plants i have left seem to be doin great since they have been gettin more light. im at about 10 days veg time with my purple power i think im gonna try to fim them in a couple days here. ill post pics of them too.

[green horn]

hi all i know its been a while since last post. just been real busy. i had to cut my ladies today i thisk it was time. the one plant was so heavy that it drooped over almost touchin the ground. lol but i got some picks for u all of the plants just with fan leaves cut off and a pic of the final. i also have 6 plants vegin in my other cab just until i get my cabnit painted and ready to go i might do things a little dif this time. oh and u will all be happy to know i bought a 250 watt hps its on order and on its way right now. i tried fimming all 6 of my plants i think i did it right but only time will tell. k check out the buds and happy smokin ill ttyl.

[bluntman 420]

nice grow for using cfls! very impressive. im currently doin a grow using cfls but i htink im gonna go pick up a 75 watt hps this week....good luck on ur next grow!!

[green horn]

so i have had my stuff dryin for about 4 days now. i dont think ill get as much as i had hoped from it. its really shrinkin alot. i didnt realize it would shrink that much. ill be lucky to get an ounce. lol

[FUNKNUGGET]

shoulda let it it go for a few more weeks. look at all those yellow hairs, you want a fire crotch.