Latewood, Zandor, Garden Knowm... Opinion.

[L3G10N]

Im starting to notice a problem with a plant im growing. The strain is Haze x Skunk (at least thats what my friend told me when he gave them too me) Im starting to notice the tips of some of the leaves curling down like a claw and the new growth near the top of the plant is curling like an upside down canoe. Over all the plant looks decent except for those areas. Also, can any of you confirm that this is a cannabis plant. Someone suggested it was not cannabis but a hemp plant. Growing conditions, the plant is in 2nd week of flowering will be week 3 on tuesday. Lights: 4 - 4ft warm tubes 3400 lumens each maybe an inch or two from the top of the plant. 4 - 42 watt warm cfls around the sides. Soil/pot: 6.25 gallon pot, foxfarm ocean forest soil. Nutes: GH nutes given according to "Lucas Formula" full strength once a week. Water Ph: 6.5. Plant is tied down on a few branches. Temp: Stays around 80 degrees when lights are on and probably 75 or 72 when off. There is a small fan oscillating in the room. Im also wondering about how long into flowering should it be before i see some buds forming? White hairs are just starting to come out. The plant was vegged for three weeks under 18/6 and was at least a good 12 - 15 inches when put under 12/12. Any other needed info please ask. Also this is a first grow.

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[L3G10N]

bumpity

[bejay]

im sure one of them will get around to posting a reply when they see the post.
looks like nutrient burn while the formula you are using would probably work for most some strains just dont like alot of nutrients plus growing conditions can also effect how much nutrients the plant will be able to handle.

[Abattoir Dream]

my plant leaves go like that sometimes, and they do look like cannabis to me, my plants leaves are usually a little like that and they turned out fine, hemp is very similar tho so im not 100% sure but, wait till zandor or sum1 can tell,

[Garden Knowm]

Hi L3..

In know you are worried about your plant. She is a BIGGEN.. Your post definitely conveys your commitment to her.. : )

I looked up the LUCAS formula.. and it is for HYDRO nutrients.. which I have used for soil grows and other plants around the house.. but i definitely do not recommend it...

I do see some minor burning on a few of the tips
Your stalks look almost perfectly green... some minor red... which is a deficiency of some sort and worth watching. How can you have a deficiany with a nute burn.. Usually that is a PH issue.. but it looks like your PHis right on...

It also looks like your new growth has become less vigorous.....
meaning that your second to most recent fan leaves are smaller than their predecesors.. this is not IDEAL .. is this true? Is my observation correct...?
I need your help here cause without seeing older pictures of the plant I can't know for sure.. : )

Each new set of fan leaves should be bigger than the previous set..


More light...
Less Nutrients.. I would actually water with just plain 7.0 PH water... no nutrients...

I will definitley stay close to this thread.. I am cheering you on!!

iloveyou

BTW... she still looks GREAT and she will make it to the finish line!! : )

[Garden Knowm]

One more thing.. When you water her (without nutrients).. water her with more water than you usually do.. double the amount of water.... not the frequency but the amount....
cheers

BTW - how much do you normally water her with? LOL
please say 1 gallon or more.. she is a BIG LADY!!!

[L3G10N]

thanks for responding knowm, i really appreciate it. As for the amount of water i give her, i was giving 2 quarts for awhile.. then recently i have been giving her 1 gallon of water ph'd to 6.5. You say 7.0 would be better? Also you said you dont recommend Lucas Formula? I will stop using it. Should i cut out all nutes or just the amount and frequency? I think you are right about the leaves not being vigorus, it seems that maybe the newer leaves are not as big, im not too sure. I have not been keeping a very good picture log but i will post pics of her from 1 week till now.
1 week old
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2weeks and tied down.
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3 weeks old, first day 12/12
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[L3G10N]

more pics, the dates on the pics should tell you the time frame.

8 days after starting 12/12
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[L3G10N]

Beginnings of a bud?
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Largest fan leaf, 11 fingers.
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[L3G10N]

These are the latest, Knowm as you can see... the curling claw effect is pretty bad. It seems to mostly affect the small under growths. I have noticed a few larger/older leaves folding over as you can see in pic # 2. And when i say folding over, i mean it looks like someone took an iron and folded the leaf and pressed it. :(

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[L3G10N]

one more thing... i need to water or water/feed her today. The soil is almost completely dry. Your suggestion, just plain water or water with some nutes? If i need to nute, what would you suggest? All i have is GH 3 part nutes. And should the water be PH 7.0? We have these water machines here where i live that supposedly is RO but i thought RO water was 7.0 ph, this stuff is in the 5 ph area. Here is a link to the machines in question: http://www.watermillsites.com/index.html Where i live tap water goes between 6.8 and 6.5.

[Garden Knowm]

I would water her with ZERO nutrients... maybe 1-2 gallons of water.... and I would raise the PH from what you normaly water her with.... just for this particular watering.. 6.8 - 7.0 is probably good..

It sounds like you have a great watering technique...

thanks for the pictures..

Is transplanting a possiblilty?

cheers

[L3G10N]

well, i thought the pot was adequate size, its 21 quarts.. isnt that like 5.25 gallon? I'd have to say that at this time i cannot transplant due to space, im wating to get my larger grow area in a few months. I will give her 2 gals of 7.0 distilled water. Im not questioning you knowlege Knowm... but im just curious as to why no nutes? Is it to flush basically and try to determine if there are any deficiencies?

[Garden Knowm]

yes 5 gallon is more than adequate...

yeah, basically a flush and just an over all break... let things normalize... she definitley does not look under fed so I feel confident she can go a week without nutrients.. there are probably plenty of nutrients in the soil by this point.


If I had to take a stab in the dark I would guess that your plant has been fed a bit to much Nitrogen and not enough phosphorous and potassium...

How long are you into flowering now?
cheers

[L3G10N]

Tuesday (Halloween) will make 4 weeks. Someone else i talk to said i maybe changed the light cycle too early and my plants were not sexually mature. When i changed the light cycle i dont think i even had pre-flowers. I believe you are right about the nitrogen issue. I have been feeding this plant GH nutes, all three parts according to the feeding schedule on the product label ever since they were one week old. Not to mention she is in Foxfarm soil with all those organic goodies. So last night i gave her 2 gallons of PH'd 7.0 water... the runoff came out damn near clear. But last Sunday, i gave her a little flush with 2 gallons of water too and the runoff was very brown... about the color of Jack Daniels whiskey :(

[Garden Knowm]

maybe changed the light cycle too early and my plants were not sexually mature. (

not really possible.. people flower plants when they have only 2-4 nodes and have great results...

keep me posted.. I am dedicated ... :D :D


lovelovelove

[Legalizdahurb]

I am not to sure what the problem is but i have had the same problem in my last 2 grows. I usually did as GN said and just cut out the nutes for a week same as if i see slight burning on the leaf tips. Anyway my plant has alwasy turned out fine with plenty of nice bud to smoke.
Mabe not as much as was scientificly possible, but still a good end result.

[L3G10N]

yes, i will do this. It has to be too much of somthing. Probably why my flowers are slow.. too much N.

[Garden Knowm]

L3 -
4 weeks... ummmmmm.. wait a minute bro.. you have been 12/12 for 4 weeks and your plant looks like that? bro.. you must have a light leak... right?

I think your plant LOOKs good.. BUT it should look totally different 4 weeks into flowering..

Even if you have given it to much Nitrogen.. it would still have flowers and hairs all over...

Are you absolutley sure it is getting 12 hours of uniterupted darkness every 24 hours..?

cheers

ps- why is your AV so scary?

[kindprincess]

hi guys, um is that plant from seed?

the only reason i ask is bc i had an incident where i started a plant inside and put it outside after 2 1/2 weeks. it was fall, already more dark than day. it took 7 weeks for flowers to show out! turned out female though, and ended well, the best of that year.

hope this can be of some help...

love, kp:p

ps gk, stop by some time...the complex questions of a perplexed noob

[L3G10N]

You are right man... this plant is in my master closet.. in the corner. Its not boxed in so lots of light does escape. The closet is about 5 x 14. Right now at this time i dont have the space for a grow room. I have thought about scrapping this grow and just wait until i get my shed. Im going to be buying a 10 x 16 barn shed and im going to close in a corner for growing. I've always been one to want to hurry and do stuff but it ends up going wrong. It does get 12 hours uninterrupted, i have it on a timer and strict rules not to go in the closet after the timer is off. Anyways, my AV is an actual pic of myself, so i guess im a pretty scary. So, should i scrap it? as i have no way right now to close her in. :(

[Garden Knowm]

NO.. don't scrap it... yikes... how about some visqueen.. can you get some of this stuff from a hydro shop and tack it up around your plants?


It is a nice plant!!!!


Princess.. - HI : )
Where should I stop by? link me.. cheers..

L3 - I am off to the UK on Thursday and i will not be back until Monday.. Your plant has tremendous potential... don't put her down...!! LOVE

If nothing else, you should clone HER.. it will be great practice.. she could give 20-50 clones.... at least

cheers

that is a pic of yourself? what is the occasion? : )

[bejay]

would expect it to take a little longer to flower if it wans't mature when you switched to flowering, plus with no idea of the strain it could be sativa dominate and take longer to flower.

[kindprincess]

here you go gk, and n e 1 else who's interested...

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=88629

love, kp:p

[Weedhound]

Great plant and great work!!

[L3G10N]

alright knowm, i wont scrap her. she is showing lots of bud sites and pistils just probably not as many and as dense at it should be. i will try to find somthing to tack up around her. one last thing... she needs watering again, should i do the plain water again of can she get some food? and if so how much? im using gh 3 part nutes.

[doinker]

L3G10N, for your own safety, rename your photos and edit them with a filter if possible. From the name of your photo I can already tell you it's a sony cybershot, if I went a bit further into it I could find the store it was bought from and who bought it.
Cheers m8, and stay safe, the war isnt over yet. :smokin:

[kindprincess]

not trying to change you up, legion, but, super bloom (aka super phosphate) by greenlight is a true wonder. soft nutes so there's little chance for burning, and WOW do those buds explode! i add a tablespoon of sugar per gallon to help metabolize the ferts, started at half strength, and up to full now... i feed once a week...

even says on the bottle, "makes plants want to BLOOM!!!"

hope this is a help, (6$ a jar)by the way...

love,kp :p

ps, i say, yep feed!

[Garden Knowm]

Hey L3...

I am back from the UK..

Can I see a picture.. ? If she is doing fine.. no need to feed..


love

[L3G10N]

Ok, heres some new pics. Not much to look at, but she is doing better i think. Im going to try and put up a shower curtain across the front of her lined with mylar. Brown tips on pic #5 is from growing into the lights overnight.

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[BLaQLiGhT]

Nice Bud shots L3G10N, they are truly beautiful :p . How long have they ben in flowering? I can see that the LSTing really helped to get some more bud sites to pop up all over the place. Keep Em Green :thumbsup: ...

[L3G10N]

well its been about 5 weeks, the buds are not growing very big due to major light leaks. Im just gonna go the rest of the 5 weeks to see what happens. I did notice though that most all my leaf tips are curling and turning brown. This cannot be a nute issue because she has not been given any in quite awhile, and also i dont think its PH because i have been giving her 7.0 PH water as suggested by Garden Knowm. Also the older bottom leaves are getting yellow.

[Garden Knowm]

Great... Now return to 6.5 PH and hit her with diluted nutes....

The light leaks need to be addressed..

love

pictures?

[brookerosebud]

hate to butt in but, gk, i need your help...

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=90946

please hurry, emergency...

love, brooke

[L3G10N]

Ok Knowm, the best i could do was put a curtain across the front of her, a white vinyl shower curtain and i lined the inside with mylar. I will give her diluted nutes with next watering. I currently have two different types of nutes. I have the GH 3 part, and was recently given free samples of Foxfarm flowering nutes... Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha-Ching. Open sesame is for flowering inducing i think, beastie bloomz for mid flowering and cha-ching for late flowering. Which should i use you think?

[L3G10N]

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[Garden Knowm]

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[L3G10N]

thanks, now i just need to figure which one and how much. Im guessing the beastie bloom since its for mid-flowering, and each product calls for 1/4 tsp per gallon.

[L3G10N]

So, im noticing yellowing of the leaves on the plant.. mostly the bottom area. Im wondering if this is the yellowing that naturally occurs when the plant flowers?

[L3G10N]

Please... does this look like normal yellowing? Its around the bottom leaves and looks like its working its way to the top. Only plain water has been used, ph 7.0 and now 6.5, was planning on feeding some nutes. Tues will be 7 weeks flower, strain is Haze x Skunk. I have GH 3 part nutes and Foxfarm soluble poweders, Open sesame 5-45-19, Beastie Bloomz 0-50-30 and Cha-Ching 9-50-10. If i need to feed, which one and how much? Thanks.

[L3G10N]

forgot the damn pics :o

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[L3G10N]

btw... last pic. The bud thats all brown and dead... it was burned by the lights.

[L3G10N]

Ok so, everything seems to be ok. Plant is still alive and budding. Lower leaves are yellowing. Buds are now getting trichomes. Thanks for your help Garden Knowm. I will definitely be purchasing your dvd's.

[Garden Knowm]

picture update?

iloveyou

[L3G10N]

pics? nah i rather not. My plant looks sick as fuck right now :( 8 Weeks flower now. More leaves are falling off everyday. Buds are getting trichomes, but are not very fat. And for some reason, the very tips of the fan leaves are curling in like a complete circle and are brown & crispy, i doubt this is a nute burn because this all started when i was using no nutes. Anyhow, i'd feel quite embarrassed to show my plant right now. :(

[kdspecial]

Dont be imbarressed duder, My plant looks like shit now and I honestly didn't expect much from it. I grew it for seeds. It got super stressed and just alround messed.

I cut the top off yesterday A small part and I got a whole bunch of nice healthy seeds. Look how shitty this plant looks. BUt It still workedout in the end. I will still get about 100 more seeds from her If I get anything close to what i got off the first top.

The PLants were BoggelGum (Male) and BLueJay (Female)

I imagine your plant can't be much worse than this.

show us a pict. plllllleeeeeeezzzzeeee

kd

[Garden Knowm]

iloveyou

word... pics please.. :)

[L3G10N]

hey kdspecial,, whatcha gonna do with all them seeds?! ;) :D
I will get some photos soon... when i get chance. She is sleeping right now.

[L3G10N]

Alright well, here are the photos... If you enlarge Pic #1 full size, you can see the trics.

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[Garden Knowm]

WOW... ITS HUGE...

GOOD JOB!!!

[L3G10N]

thanks! now i just wish the trichs would increase. One more week will make 10 weeks flowering. I may have to go longer though. I think maybe the flowering was delayed due to much Nitrogen i was using...

[L3G10N]

If anyone is still following this, can anyone tell me what all these spots are on the leaves the the leaf tips are curling/browning and are crispy. Seems to be nutrient burn? If it is, i will never use Foxfarm nutes again. This crap started happening after giving the plant some stuff called Cha-Ching. 1/4 tsp per gallon of PH 6.5 water as directed by Foxfarm label.

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[Legalizdahurb]

Looks like slight nute burn to me but i could be wrong about it.

[L3G10N]

yeah, i figured as much. These nutes are too hot i guess. Even at 1/4 a tsp per gallon... should have used half of that, or even a 1/4 of that. Knowmy.. you still with me?

[notorious P.O.T]

wow legion uve come along way.. too bad i wasnt here to watch her grow.. it looks like all your hard works about to pay off.. wtg.. and keep up the good work...P.S. that plant looks excellent

[Garden Knowm]

new pictures!!!! please...

:)

[L3G10N]

Thanks for stopping by Notorious, look forward to seeing you do another grow. Here are a few new bud shots.. trichs are increasing (but still clear)and pistils are browning. Its slow going but i guess thats from all the no-no's i did. Next grow will be better i can feel it. Knowm, the leaves are just about completely gone... is there somthing i should do? Like should i give her any food or just keep doing plain water?

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[Garden Knowm]

If you have 2 or more weeks left of 12/12 I would feed her... them....
Looks like lots of white hairs STILL...

thanks for the pics..

cheers

[notorious P.O.T]

B-E-A-UTIFUL legion... shes a sativa.. soo shes gonna need to flower a lil longer then most .. but im gonna take a shot in the dark and say that its going to be well worth the wait...

[L3G10N]

Well, if anyone is still following this... The saga has come to an end. Here is my harvest. 6 cfls, 4 shop lights. Wet weight 12.5 oz. I know this will drastically decrease when its dry. Next grow will be better... i learned alot. Thanks to anyone who helped me out. Knowm!

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[latewood]

good for you...congrats.

[L3G10N]

How could i forget the all knowlegable Latewood?! You growing information is very valuble. I will be trying a hydro grow next time i think. Top feed or DWC or perhaps a combo of both. Im sure i will be sifting through all your post my good man.

[latewood]

I am getting ready to start writing all my hydro tutorials. They will be generic for the most part, as I am shifting my pictorial resources towards http://hygronomics.com and vegetable grows.
For those of my friends here you are welcome to visit, but keep in mind that the site is a baby and we are evolving day by day. Just hook up with Green#1 or Hygron when You visit.

Thanks for the props, lw

[L3G10N]

I have a question about curing if someone can help. I dried my buds in a cool dark ventilated place... i checked them everyday. Day 5 they were dry enough that when i broke the stems, they made a sharp cracking sound. Ok i put them all into mason jars. I read posts about curing and everyone says open the jars everyday for a little while when you see condensation. Well i have yet to see any condensation. Is there always condensation or no? Or does it take a long time for it to appear? 8pm tonight will make 24 hours int he jars.

[latewood]

always open jars every couple of days. the buds still retain a moisture in the middle of the cluster and can mold if not allowed to completely "dry" thru. I usually put buds in closed paper bags after hanging, and before jars. I find the paper bag allows the buds dry evenly throughout. the paper bag still breaths, yet the overall drying effect is lessened to the point that you cannot overdry your harvest. Imo lw

another note: As you become a better "gardner"...Your buddage will become more dense, therefore requiring more careful drying/curing techniques. you'll see! peace

[L3G10N]

Thanks for that info Lw. Could you elaborate a bit more on the paper bag technique? Like how long do you hang your buds before putting them in bags? And do you open the bags daily like with the jars? Also on another note, i wanted to ask you if you know how long nutrients will say good. Im not going to grow again for awhile, maybe 6 months or better. I have all my nutes kept in my closet which stays pretty cool, in a grey rubbermaid tub.

[xcrispi]

hey L3G10N ,
if your talking about the g/h 3 pt. nutes i read at their site if in an airtight container in a cool dark place they're good forever . i buy it in 6 gal. jugs cause it's not suposed to go bad .
peace man
thanx for the good karma
your cuz
crispi :greenthumb:

[latewood]

you. I think that you should be OK with your storage in a tub.

I just added a private medclub at mysite...I am not sure how it will work, but I am going to open a small area for mmj (you have to register, then I have to change your usergroup for you to enter 'latewood'labs' gotta go