Gravity flower hardener

[Weedhound]

Is anyone familiar with this stuff? It was recommended to me but I have no idea what it is or what it does. "Flower hardener" sounds kind of scary to me. What does that mean exactly? Worth using? Thanks for any words of wisdom. :)

[wheels322003]

I my self would like some info on this? has anyone used it?

[Weedhound]

Come on guys! Made by Humboldt County's Own. Must be SOMEBODY from Humboldt county on these forums! The ingrediants are: 0.75% ascophyllum nodusum (huh?) which is sea kelp apparently and 0.01% B1 (thiamine hydrochloride). Flower hardener--not going to mummify my buds is it? Or would that be a good thing?

PS Did use Humboldt County's own Bushmaster to slow the height on some of my plants and it worked well which is why I'm interested in this stuff.

[MyNameIsNobody]

I just bought some of this but it will be about 6 weeks till I know if it's any good.
I'm a little confused on the directions but I'm asuming that you use this for about 1 week 3 weeks from the end and go back to reg' chemicals.
we shall see.
I would like to hear from someone that has used it first.....
MNIN:stoned:

[Weedhound]

MN, did they tell you what it would do or is supposed to do? The directions confuse me somewhat too.

[MyNameIsNobody]

It's supposed to thicken up your "flowers" ya know make them heavier.
as far as the directions go I'm going to try a little less for 7 days with maybe 1/3 of the regular chemicals and go back to regular chem mix after then i usually finish with 3 days of straight water.
the guy at the store did tell me not to use it if your plants are under any kind of stress like from bugs or whatever.
It's still about 3 weeks till I try it but I'll keep ya posted.

[stinkyattic]

Mmmm. I'm going to avoid it as Thiamine I think is a root stimulator that can slow flower development- same main ingredient in SuperThrive and any transplanting solution you can get. But the kelp is awesome. You can get plain ol' kelp extract pretty cheap and it's good for flowering.

[MadHatter79]

I'm about to throw some in a final cycle at 30 days flowering an indica. I'm shooting for around 2 weeks with a 1 week flush or so... I'll post back here when I think about it and it's harvested.

[LiquidMagik]

It hardens your flowers. If you go overboard, they can definitely become too dense, and you'll possibly find yourself encountering mold problems where there weren't any before (if you use too much). Bushmaster, if you use too much of this, multiple reports of hermies are out there. I try and stay away from things where you have to so precise (the difference between nanners and no nanners with bushmaster is 1 mL/ga), or you risk fucking up your whole crop. I'm sticking with Advanced for my flowering supplements (no Bud Blood though).

[Weedhound]

Well I don't worry about hermies....I use DM feminiser so hermies are a thing of the past for me......the bushmaster I used to slow the height of the growth branches and it worked great...I don't use it anymore because I want longer branches to lst with....was still in veg when I used it so don't know if that makes any difference. I guess what I'm wondering is what the stuff is supposed to "harden" your flowers with....more bud? more trichomes? Or just excess moisture etc that really doesn't improve the bud itself?

[BlueBear]

Be careful using it, like most of HF's products it is very strong. It will thicken up bud mass, but you need to think about this as well, sometimes you can have the buds so thick that an ounce can look like a half because the buds are so dense and if you let your sacks go then some people sometimes think you have skimpy sacks, but at the same time it may add to your over all yield. I would almost completely drop your mane nutes when first using. HF has great products, but they have also probably destroyed more crops than alot of other products so tread softly.
Adieu

[Weedhound]

Yes, LM pretty much said the same thing there about being very careful and Stinky frowned..I saw it....plus you Bear.....in view of the replies above I believe I shall skip this tidbit...especially after my molasses disaster....thanks you guys for the head's up.

[MadHatter79]

Well, I am harvesting tonight and I can tell you that Gravity definitely did three things:
1. Hardened and thickened the buds
2. Made a large amount of sun leaves fall off
3. Caused the bud burn on my largest cola.

I don't know how heavy the buds woulld have been because I didn't have a control plant, but I am convinced that the buds got heavy because I had to put support nails in various places so it's branches didn't break off. If you squeeze the buds, they are solid inside with only a slight softness coming from the new growth. I also did not move the light away as suggested because I am limited to a fixed light setup currently. I agree that my bags might be small but heavy, but anyone that is unhappy with my pot can simply smoke someone elses. =) I am expecting a HEAVY yield, so I think I can safely say that Gravity helped. The bad news is that wanted to take flower cuttings and hardly any of the sun leaves are intact. If you wanted to reveg after using gravity, I would not suggest using it as it stresses the hell out of the plant at the end of it's life.

[Weedhound]

Did you use it in the third or fourth third week as directed on the bottle and how many days did you run it through for? Did you use any nutes in the solution? Would you say your buds are about the same size but denser or smaller and denser? I wouldn't be revegging so no problem there. Sorry to jump you with all the questions but I've been saving up. :)

[Weedhound]

And one last one if I haven't already scared you away: How many weeks did you flower for after using it....in total?

Thanks!

[MadHatter79]

Let's see... I believe I used it three weeks before harvest. I added it for 3-4 days, but did not flush until 6-7. If I could do it over...and I'm going too. =) I would use it 2 weeks before harvest, and just let it flush out as part pf the normal pre-harvest flush. You should also make sure that your plant is doing good by then or it'll probably kill it... The buds for sure got super dense inside. This gave them a more solid core early. When the bud would have been getting more solid, it already was, so it just started getting big fast. At the end of my grow I was spraying a superthrive mix and it was lovin' it. I think this was because of how stressed the plant was from the gravity feedings. The B1 in the superthrive helps stressed plants grow better. I dunno if that helps but it's what I got. I recommend the gravity if you are a plant tweaker and are always thinking of ways to make the buds bigger. (that's me)

[MadHatter79]

Oh, check out my grow log and you can see what happened after the gravity feeding and how big the buds ended up getting.

[Weedhound]

Hatter, thanks for answering all that. I will check out your grow log. I'm so on the fence about the stuff....Now if you put it in two weeks before the end you would just add it with ph'd water? You talked about flush....do you use Flora Kleen or just flush with water? Tweaking is the kind of thing I'm talking about....getting more yield per plant vs growing more often but I really tend to screw things up when they get complicated (more than 2 things at once)

Thanks :D

Oh AND, no problems toward the end with mold etc due to the denser buds and the spraying you were giving them?

[MadHatter79]

so far no mold or problems.

[captzap]

Oh, check out my grow log and you can see what happened after the gravity feeding and how big the buds ended up getting.
Ok So where do I find your grow log?

[stinkyattic]

Ancient thread...
You can click on hatter's username and go to 'find all posts by user'. That will eventually lead you to his log.

Since the time of this posting (1.5 years :wtf:) I have played with Gravity and still fear it, although now I do use it- LIGHTLY, and applied at even lower dose than the bottle says. And I have supplemental flouro lighting that I run for the days following the application so as not to scorch the plants. READ THE BOTTLE...

[woodywings]

Folks, I see it's been a while since anyone has updated the conversation about the Gravity Flower Hardener. Anybody have any success with it? I'd hate to screw things up at this point in the game.:thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

It works but be very careful with it. I would start by cutting the recommended dosage in half. And be sure to raise your lights for a couple days.

[stinkyattic]

Follow directions EXACTLY and use LESS than recommended.
If your plants are AT ALL stressed, or your garden runs AT ALL hot, skip the Gravity and concentrate on fixing environmentals. Environmentals alone will increase yield; Gravity in a suffering grow room will not only NOT HELP your plants, but may KILL them. So unless you are 100% sure your garden is healthy, skip it.

[Weedhound]

Follow directions EXACTLY and use LESS than recommended.
If your plants are AT ALL stressed, or your garden runs AT ALL hot, skip the Gravity and concentrate on fixing environmentals. Environmentals alone will increase yield; Gravity in a suffering grow room will not only NOT HELP your plants, but may KILL them. So unless you are 100% sure your garden is healthy, skip it.

what she said.

[incubus34]

My plants seemed to reduce flower creation, but increase flower size and resin formation at the main cola sites.

I used slightly more than half the recommended usage in a foliar spray, as I heard it can be difficult to leach out of the soil. I reapplied it a week later and have begun to see some nice results, although I have no control group to compare.

Like most additives it can be useful if applied with caution, but I wouldn't expect miracles or you may end up burning your flowering plants just prior to resin formation.

[setiamon]

Mmmm. I'm going to avoid it as Thiamine I think is a root stimulator that can slow flower development- same main ingredient in SuperThrive and any transplanting solution you can get. But the kelp is awesome. You can get plain ol' kelp extract pretty cheap and it's good for flowering.

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I think the superthrive thing is pretty much a myth I use it from start to flush every watering and never have any problems with slow/low yield.whoever starts these myths need to be shot.

however if you use to much superthrive buds will start growing out of your fan leaves,no shit i'v seen it myself.

[setiamon]

My plants seemed to reduce flower creation, but increase flower size and resin formation at the main cola sites.

I used slightly more than half the recommended usage in a foliar spray, as I heard it can be difficult to leach out of the soil. I reapplied it a week later and have begun to see some nice results, although I have no control group to compare.

Like most additives it can be useful if applied with caution, but I wouldn't expect miracles or you may end up burning your flowering plants just prior to resin formation.

Hmm The creator of Gravity told me that it can't be used as a foliar spray and that it can only be asorbed threw the roots.

[irydyum]

I think the superthrive thing is pretty much a myth I use it from start to flush every watering and never have any problems with slow/low yield.whoever starts these myths need to be shot.


You have 2 posts and you use one of them to suggest that we shoot the most prestigious and loved member of this community? C'mon man, if there is one person on here who's advice is universally accepted as gospel, it's hers.

I've never seen YOUR name in High Times.

[LOC NAR on probation]

It's morning and no meds yet, I was going to say something mean about 2 post but I won't.

Do a search on stinkyattic, When you have read a couple thousand threads come on back and tell us how Zandor and latewood and weedhound and some others don't know what thier talking about, myths.

[setiamon]

You have 2 posts and you use one of them to suggest that we shoot the most prestigious and loved member of this community? C'mon man, if there is one person on here who's advice is universally accepted as gospel, it's hers.

I've never seen YOUR name in High Times.

Well I said who started the myth,i doubt the person you referred to started that myth but once they start they don't stop.i registered just reading but have been reading for awhile.

as for the amount of Thiamine inside is something around 0.02 %


But "guru's" are all but worthless,half of them say one thing and the other say the opposite (jorge and Ed for example) I've talked and gotten advice from a writer in high times,big deal?

I wasn't really even addressing the previous person but the bs spread by some,here for example Debunking the Myths of Bonsai | Knowledge of Bonsai (http://knowledgeofbonsai.org/articles/misc/debunking-the-myths-of-bonsai/) Almost everything this page is simple wrong,it makes lots of quotes and puts up a front but everything it says is wrong,such as superthrive is snake oil,that it doesn't help transplanting(I have ran controlled experiments with transplanting so I KNOW it does) etc etc

another thing is that foliar feeding doesn't work,or only for micronutrients and won't increase yield.Since implementing a daily foliar feeding regiment my yield has doubled,the branches and budsites at least doubles,So thats another FUD of theirs.

Anyhow the creator of Gravity told me face to face that it can't be used as a foliar feed,So I don't know why he would lie on that as he stright up told me snow storm is better as a foliar feeder and cheaper.1 tsp per 5 gallon on the gravity also.


I've lived in the "emerald triangle" my entire life and know you can only learn from experience so any self respecting grower will take what i have to say with a grain of salt(as they would stinkyattics)

I still have lifelong growers around here that swear by pruning the shade leaves so I'm not going to change anyones mind once they get on a routine
but seriously take one plant and give it superthrive every time you water(drop per gal except at transplants use 1/4th teaspoon) and tell me it slows down flowering or decreases yield and then try and remain silent as people spread FUD all over about superthrive

[ejthomps17]

well - in my opinion this stuff is way overpriced and i dont understand the benefit. i mean it was like !25.00 before tax at my trusted place and im not sure how big it was but it was prob a half gallon. Then you have to worry about using the littlest bit too much or sure buds are too dense and WILL MOLD. MOLD is the WORST. I also grow 100% organic and was questioning myself this batch. i grow good shit and its all organic so it turned out good but i had to tie up all my main colas bc of weight in a bad way. its not worth is and over all my plants were shorter and less squat. I think something is not right w the flower hardener. Im selling my remaining fucking 80 dollars worth to anyone that will take it

[Edubbl79]

Hello All; First Post Here;

I use 2 (1000w) HPS for every 10 girls in 2 aero tubes, baskets w hydroton, deep water constant feed to micro emitters from a 25 gal res. For 8 week girls (my F.I. indica hybrid) I used 20-30 ml of Bushmaster the week before flush (8-10 day flush) for only 24 hrs then change res back to normal bloom mix. The day before flush starts I use approx 20-30 ml of Gravity for 24 hrs then flush of course. I keep a constant ppm and ph while the res is chk'd twice a day everyday, very time consuming considering I dont have a controlled doser. For earlier finishers, leggier indica like ak48 or a sativa the bushmaster would be used earlier however from what ive learned the gravity should only be used the day before flush for a very limited time. There is the obvious concern over burning your plants however I have heard from several people in the Denver grow community that Gravity has been deemed the cause of "headaches" to people who consume, even in the cases where minimum amounts were used, like my methods.

Apparently it has been discontinued from manufacture however several stores still have stock in the area and I used it and loved it, I never had headaches from it. I will probably discontinue the use of the product when I find a suitable substitute. Anybody know of any suitable alternatives??? It can cause mold in the interior of your flowers if you arent on top of your environment or you let the plant finish longer than the strain calls for. Gravity does help to increase resin production along with wieght and density when used in conjunction with Bushmaster (I havent used Purple Maxx yet but I know its been replaced by Snowstorm and will probably give it a try).

[LOC NAR on probation]

Hello All; First Post Here;

I use 2 (1000w) HPS for every 10 girls in 2 aero tubes, baskets w hydroton, deep water constant feed to micro emitters from a 25 gal res. For 8 week girls (my F.I. indica hybrid) I used 20-30 ml of Bushmaster the week before flush (8-10 day flush) for only 24 hrs then change res back to normal bloom mix. The day before flush starts I use approx 20-30 ml of Gravity for 24 hrs then flush of course. I keep a constant ppm and ph while the res is chk'd twice a day everyday, very time consuming considering I dont have a controlled doser. For earlier finishers, leggier indica like ak48 or a sativa the bushmaster would be used earlier however from what ive learned the gravity should only be used the day before flush for a very limited time. There is the obvious concern over burning your plants however I have heard from several people in the Denver grow community that Gravity has been deemed the cause of "headaches" to people who consume, even in the cases where minimum amounts were used, like my methods.

Apparently it has been discontinued from manufacture however several stores still have stock in the area and I used it and loved it, I never had headaches from it. I will probably discontinue the use of the product when I find a suitable substitute. Anybody know of any suitable alternatives??? It can cause mold in the interior of your flowers if you arent on top of your environment or you let the plant finish longer than the strain calls for. Gravity does help to increase resin production along with wieght and density when used in conjunction with Bushmaster (I havent used Purple Maxx yet but I know its been replaced by Snowstorm and will probably give it a try).

Look into Flower Dragon.

[purpleskunk777]

I have just used this, and am finally able to contribute to this thread. Methods are as follows:

Used at the rate of 1mL/gal, in pH'd molasses water, on soil-plants. Lights were raised 9" as well. I stopped feeding nutrients to soil 1 week prior. I should also note that my plants had NO fan leaves at the time of application due to prior pH problems; plants were strictly composed of healthy flowers and stalk/stem. Flushed as part of the pre-harvest flush 72 hours post-application

The results were undoubtedly excellent. Flowers have thickened quite a bit compared to controls (grown in same environment, nutrient sched. etc...). Trichomes became greater in number and size. The increase in density appears to be due to an increase in resin production, as opposed to only water mass. My yield was enhanced by a rate of 1.5X, compared to flowers of the same size of controls. Plants were stressed minimally throughout this entire process due to recovery from pH issues.

[ecofrog]

I grow in a hempy bucket and I use it day 50-53. 3ml/gallon with a pH 6 water and minimal flowering nuts. Then it gets flushed for about 2-3 days and then no water for 2-3 days so the plant dries some on the vine before harvest. I also use overdrive from day 42-53. I mix up a new batch daily as it 'foams' if left in the rez.

Worth the $ and time. I definitely notice a yield and density increase, especially on leafier type flowerers. Never noticed a taste difference. Never noticed headaches. Ive never moved the lights up but I have a light mover and I usually stretch out the move distance on that last week, perhaps that helps.