SSH UPDATE (PICS)

[santacruz_organic]

I got some good news, my plants are out of shock and growing rapidly. I started my clones, after they rooted, on Oct. 1 and for the first week and a half i had no growth due to shock. this probably happened due to over lighting (from cfl's to 2 1000w) or from nutrient burn. at first i was worried but then i realized i was just an impatient stoner. now my plants are growing almost an inch a day and have A LOT of node regions. It is my first time using HID lights and they are working better then i imagined. Check out theese pictures (remember that the first 10 days my plants had no growth due to shock). The first canopy shot was taken on the 9th and the other one was taken on the 18th.

[santacruz_organic]

the last pic was taken on the 10th.

[santacruz_organic]

these were taken on the 18th. (and the last two) 2 1/2 weeks old

[gmoney5ss]

those clones are looking great, id say their growin like weed :thumbsup:

[Garden Knowm]

hey santa cruz..

can you send me an e-mail..

[email protected]

[Garden Knowm]

Yo,

You should either clone those ladies in the next 3-5 days.. or Flower them in the next 3-5 days...

cheers

[santacruz_organic]

Here are some pictures from oct. 25, about three weeks old. look at the growth rate in the last week!

[santacruz_organic]

Yo,

You should either clone those ladies in the next 3-5 days.. or Flower them in the next 3-5 days...

cheers

Im growing theese to be big momas. i was thinking swithing them over at about two to three feet.

[Kindbud]

Nice grow dude. Organix for the win!

[jamstigator]

Looking quite healthy and vibrant. Go, plants, go! ;)

[green_gardenr]

can u clone clones??

[faithlessxxx]

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Mmm, nice stuff.

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[TheGreenFog]

Nice set up, Santacruz. Nice growth! You dont need THAT many Mommas, do ya, so you will be flowering some, right? My question, when you let them go to 2-3 feet, THEN flip them, how do you maintain canopy penetration? Will you use side lighting? I have a serious matter similar to that and I will most likely need your advice.


can u clone clones??

Yes, you can clone clones. Clones are just little mini-me plants of the mother plant. After a bit of vegging, they become real plants, kinda like when Pinocchio became a real boy. LOL.

Anyway, as long as they have some internodal branching (something to take clones FROM), they can be re-cloned! Millions and millions of plants! Eureeka!

TGF

[santacruz_organic]

I figure if i have my plants two to three feet from each other that the light will touch most of all the plants. i used good reflection techniques(it hurts my eyes to go in my grow room at night) and i am runing two 2000w for my whole room which isnt very large. i couldnt do this with cfl's or any thing like that though.

[Garden Knowm]

yummy!!!

keep the pictures coming!!

: )

[Racerx]

Looking good! Ive seen some wonderful stuff that looked just like that when it started. I think its the chronic ocean air. :D Keep the pics coming. Have you recorded any growth (ie measuring?)?

[santacruz_organic]

Looking good! Ive seen some wonderful stuff that looked just like that when it started. I think its the chronic ocean air. :D Keep the pics coming. Have you recorded any growth (ie measuring?)?

Well, i think it is about two inches every three days, Im taking pictures every wednesday so every post with a picture is a week apart. it is growing faster then any other setup i have had in the past. next wednesday it will be a nmonth exactly.

[santacruz_organic]

Here are some pictures of my plants at one month old! I just got a carbon filter and some exhaust fans so i should have a ventilation system set up by next week.```` Whats those marks on the leaf i have a close up on? any help will help.. Thanks!

[santacruz_organic]

I think the marks are either heat stress or nutrient burn?

[faithlessxxx]

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I doubt thats anything to worry about.
I think they may indicate a slight PH imbalance. Leaves with pale splotches are supposed to indicate an uneven PH balance, IIRC, where minerals "pool" unevenly.

Lovely grow, btw.

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[santacruz_organic]

Should i install an air cooling system in my lights? i planned on doing this but it just occured to me that the heat from my lights are keeping my grow room warm. Since it is going in to the winter season i know if i air cool my lights i will need to put a heater in my room which im not sure i have enough power in electricity to do. any opions? thanks in advance: )

[santacruz_organic]

no opinions?

[howsyourroof]

not if lights are also heat.espically not if power is a concern

[TheGreenFog]

~Santa Cruz~

What are your temps at? You definitely don't need to air-cool them now if temps are ok and they are the heat source. It's only getting colder. I would say, use circulation fans, inject CO2, and get a dial-in controller for your new exhaust system you said you just got. Set it to exhaust on a timer and use CO2! That would be cool. :thumbsup: :D

They look big enough to flower now. Have you cloned them yet. I forgot what you said you were going to do to sex them. I gotta go up and look. (pause) Ok, you said you are just gonna grow them to 2-3 feet then flip them. Have you considered cloning them before you flip them? Just clip one or two from each and veg in another room whilst you flower those pretty ladies...?

They look VERY nice, by the way. Make my thread look like sh*t...'mine' are so lanky. :( HIDs kick ass. It would be interesting to try those T5 lights for veg.

Anyway, I'm rambling. Just had a very nice bowl or three...oh wait...I still have some! *takes a puff* :smokin: Ahhhhhh...!

Ok. Good grow. Let me know. Gotta go.

I kill myself. :D

TGF

[santacruz_organic]

if i air cool my lights i can put them closer to my plants which will result in better growth and conserve my lights. what i want to know is if i have my lights closer will it increase my bud production and by how much. my room is insulated so i probably could pull of a low wattage heater that would keep my room heated for a long time. im worried that when i air cool my lights my room will be to cold to have the exaust on at all times which isnt that good for my plants(to be getting fresh air all the time).

[Racerx]

if i air cool my lights i can put them closer to my plants which will result in better growth and conserve my lights. what i want to know is if i have my lights closer will it increase my bud production and by how much. my room is insulated so i probably could pull of a low wattage heater that would keep my room heated for a long time. im worried that when i air cool my lights my room will be to cold to have the exaust on at all times which isnt that good for my plants(to be getting fresh air all the time).

The closer the light is, the more lumens there are. There more lumens there are, the more the energy the plant has for producing buds. Having a simple oscillating fan between the canopy and the bulbs will atleast "push" away hot air from directly around the plants. When it gets cold enough, turn your exhaust system off and the heat from your lamps will surely warm the room.

Aircooling the lights will allow you to get them closer. The best part of close lights is tighter node spacing which results in a stronger plant and better foliage penetration.

[santacruz_organic]

so do you think that it is worth adding the extra wattage to have my lights air cooled? Is their any way i can keep my room to stay warm with out using a high wattage heater? i was thinking that if i got a temperature controller and plugged it to my exaust that the ballasts my create enough heat to heat my room, and the exauhast would only turn on when it got to 78F. Does my ballast have enogh energy to do that? keep in mind that my room is insulated and all the windows and doors will be closed once i get a ventillation system going.

[thcreactor]

Your hood has a glass cover taking it off will Give off more light. BTW 3 ft plants are kinda tall to flower. Unless you got like 10 ft of height Your gonna have problems. You will need to transplant them to some whopper sized buckets too. I like your setup kinda looks like mine, I would go to 3 gallon bags next then flower Before 18" What are you using for fert? What are your plans for propagation? One mother can provide enough clones for your room.

[howsyourroof]

the closer the light the denser more rounder fat nuggets .provided u have a level canopy as far as fresh air . u can never have to much fresh air.as long as its not to cold

[santacruz_organic]

Im going to chop off the tops of my plants and clone them which will make all the side branches shoot up. since i started from clones my plants wont shoot up as much when i flip them over to flowering as if i were starting from seed.if i took the glass off my light fixtures would i be able to put my lights closer to my plant still when i air cool them?

[santacruz_organic]

Your hood has a glass cover taking it off will Give off more light. BTW 3 ft plants are kinda tall to flower. Unless you got like 10 ft of height Your gonna have problems. You will need to transplant them to some whopper sized buckets too. I like your setup kinda looks like mine, I would go to 3 gallon bags next then flower Before 18" What are you using for fert? What are your plans for propagation? One mother can provide enough clones for your room.

Im using Down To Earth 5:5:5 all purpose blend at half strength and im cloning as i said above. i have about 7 ft in heighth.

[santacruz_organic]

So i set up my ventilation today; it isnt all the way finished but its looking like its working. im going to add some inline fans and prop my exaust fans and ducting to the walls. its looking preety neat though..

[faithless]

man youre pretty handy with a screwdriver...
Are you having fun though?

[santacruz_organic]

more fun then you could imagine. its amazing to find out what you are capable of accomplishing if you try hard enough. at first it was like "yeah, some day i will have a room like that" but i never actually thought i would really end up doing it. thanks for the compliment! im a happy camper.

[faithless]

;)

I just love it too. I would do anything to have the space you have...if I did, I'd build a 2 000W room too, no hesitation.

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[santacruz_organic]

i have been aplying LST to all my plants and im going to start flowering on sat. What are the best bulbs to buy for flowering (HPS 1000w)? any recomendations from personal experience? i was thinking of getting a Super HPS 1000w Hortilux.

[TheGreenFog]

HPS 1000w In my opinion, of course. If you can afford it and have the proper space, cooling, wiring, etc., they're the way to go. :D


Can't wait to see pics of the LST.

:rasta:

TGF

[dusto2k3]

whats that yellow can hanging in the lates pics?

[santacruz_organic]

That is a sulfur vaporizer AKA sulfer burner. It is the best way to get rid of powdery mildew and also gets rid of mites, aphids, and other pests. the best part of it is that it is 100% organic and natural and wont leave your room smelling like bug bomb. it costed me about $150 total for everything but can last for ever. i reccomend it to any growers who have a powdery mildew problem or a pest problem.

[santacruz_organic]

Any guess to how much i will yield?

[santacruz_organic]

check out my LST procedures on my plants i applied it to all my plants and will post pics of my full set up tomarrow.

[dusto2k3]

Santacruz, hey, just curious. You were growing from clones or did you start w/ seeds?

How did you go about getting the clones(friend/shop?) or seeds?

[santacruz_organic]

i got my clones from a friend, but it was a one time deal sort of thing. if you are a medical patient you can get them at cannabis clubs through out CA. I am going to start using seeds and cross breading soon though.

[santacruz_organic]

I had to flip my lights into 18/6 today from 24 because i needed to use my sulfur vaporizer which can only be used in the dark. i am planning on switching to flowering this weekend and wondered if it was bad for my plants to go through the rapid time change. any info is appreciated! has anyone used a sulfur vaporizer before?

[Garden Knowm]

switching from 24 to 18/6 is fine...

do you have mold or fungus? Why are you using a sulpher burner?

Why can't you use it when the lights are on?

cheers

[santacruz_organic]

i have powdery mildew, and it was reccomended that sulfur burners were the best way to get rid of it naturally and it also works for pest control. the reason i have to use it in the dark is a mystery to me, thats just what it said in the instructions. my question about the light timing was that switching from 24/0 to 18/6 to 12/12 all in the same week is going to effect my plants.

[Garden Knowm]

cool.... keep us updated on the MILDEW and the effectiveness of the burner.. I have always heard great things about sulfer burners!!

cheers

[Splifted]

i have been aplying LST to all my plants and im going to start flowering on sat. What are the best bulbs to buy for flowering (HPS 1000w)? any recomendations from personal experience? i was thinking of getting a Super HPS 1000w Hortilux.

I have a Hortilux 1000w Super HPS. Haven't flowered with it yet, but they have grown like mad even in veg under it. I like it.

[JEFFAR420]

Wow, you truly do have a beautiful room, Maybe one day I can upgrade to such a perfect room. You have done a great job, Keep up the good work!

[santacruz_organic]

alright its still wednesday on my watch, and that means time to post another update on my grow. alot of things changed since last week. i decided to install my ventilation and air cooled lights. i was worried at first about the tempature dropping to much if i air cooled my lights but i made the right decision. my room is in between 76F and 68F which is very ideal growing temps. i also installed a carbon filter attached to my exahust and a sulfur vaporizer to take care of the mildew problem i have been having. im still new to the sulfur vaporizer so any details or opinions on the best way to use it or what to do would help. i used it but the mildew is still there; do i wait for it to dissapear on its own or do i have to wipe it off? one other thing is i Killed a plant almost :( by knocking my oscillating fan over. lucky enough it didnt kill the whole plant (there is a pic bellow). I also tied down all my plants to apply LST which was very time consuming. chiggity check-it out yo!

[santacruz_organic]

oh yeah, im flowering next sat. once i can afford my lights. can anyone give my a hypothosis on how much i will yield?

[bud breath420]

Whoah i cant believe i missed this one.. this is an awesome grow.. nice job mate..

[Just A Beginner]

Santacruz, nice plants!! Are those under 1000w HPS ? I'm setting up a growroom in next couple of days n was thinking of 1000w lamps to cover an area of approx 9' x 9', you think this would be enough for the 14 seedlings i have?

[santacruz_organic]

go with 2 1000w w/ switchable ballast. those are under 2 1000w MH and im switching them to HPS this weekend.

[santacruz_organic]

all the tops on my plants are turning a brownish color. whats this from? are they gowing to die?

[santacruz_organic]

i think it might be that my lights are to close, even though their air cooled. right now their around 18" - 24" above my plants

[santacruz_organic]

Here are some pics, my leaves are wilting as well.

[OregonsDank]

Your lights should be fine, I have a 1000 watt MH and a 1000 watt HPS in the same hood, my plants are only 18 inches from the glass. My room is 6x5 and 6 or 7 feet tall.

My plants started doing that " wilt " and getting brown crap on some of the strains. Every strain I had reacted different but my problem was pretty much I didnt use a " mineral matrix " so I was lacking some key elements in my soil. Possibly are they running low on fertilizer? Anyways good looking grow , what day did you start these again? They look similar to mine , except my norther lights is almost 20 inches in veg :X

[OregonsDank]

Cool using 3 gallon pots also it looks like? Nice to find a similar grow your room looks just like mine! I am only growing 6 though since I'm a medical grower in Oregon. Could you send me your fertilizer plan so I could compare?

[santacruz_organic]

my plants are in 5 gal. and im also a medical grower for two patients and the local club. my ferts are 5:5:5 down to earth all purpouse blend (water based) which im using at half strength since most use 10:10:10 at quarter strength. i did so much things in my grow room this last week its hard to tell whats up. do you think i will need secondary nutes or are the primary NPK enough? i started oct 1st i think the same day as you. my plants were at 18" but i had to tie them down last week because i was going to lose product from them being so tall. are yours clones or seeds? if seeds your plants will double in hieght when you flower. so your plants will be like 4'. I need to flip mine ASAP (once i can by HPS bulbs). i reccomend you do the same. that would be cool if we harvested together. do you have a log? if so link it to me!

[The_Chronicler]

IMHO,, by the looks of the plants,, you maybe over watering. My biggest piece of advice,, would be to let it dry out before watering. Your in containers,, so it will be very easy to tell when to water. Get used to feeling the weight of the plant and container. That will be a good indication of when to water. When not allowing the plants to dry out abit between waterings,, you are asking for big problems.

[santacruz_organic]

so if anyone could help me with the browning on the tops of all my plants it would be greatly appreciated. here is another picture. (click on it and once it inlarges go to the lower right hand corner of the picture to zoom in even more by clicking the squae w/ arrows.)

[santacruz_organic]

sorry here are the pics

[The_Chronicler]

When the plants are over fertilized, the symptoms first appear on the newest of growth. Its really hard to sit here and see a definate problem. Whats your water schedule? What is the ppm of your fertilizer program? What is the humidity and temps?

[The_Chronicler]

I just went through more of your photos. They definatley look to be over fertilized. Marijuana when over fert.,, gets the drooping curved leaves. They fold downward at the sides which is what you have.

[chicago_white_guy]

you'll get so much more that you'll be glad you took the 2 mins to lower the bulb :) why not go for it? i like what brooke says.... grow or no grow. there is no try. makes me think to keep giving it my all :)

[santacruz_organic]

will they revive? i think my room is way too dry so i am going to put a bowl of water in the room over night. i have to check the ph and the humidity tomarrow. i hope they are going to be ok.

[Garden Knowm]

Hey Cruz.. when did that happen? Whatever is happening needs to be stopped fast....

Have you been thoroughly watering your plants...?

Each plant should recieve at least 1/2 gallon of water per watering.. and you should water every 3-10 days depending on your room temp and plant size?

cheers

keep us posted..

[santacruz_organic]

so it looks like it was a nutrition burn; this probably happened since it was an uneven ratio from food to water since the food doesnt mix well (you need to shake it up) with the water. it looks as that the brown shade on all the new growth is growing out which is a good sign, and hopefully my plants will restore to full health. i set up a cloning / mother room in my closet and seems to be working. ~ if you remeber i almost killed one of my plants by smashing it~ i tried and saved the branches that were detatched and i had this old cloning case but only three mediums, so i tried to clone in soil which wasnt very successfull. it looks like two of the three clones in the natrual rubber medium made it but thats it. pretty good ratio for the fact i didnt know what the fuck i was doing, ( i cut, dipped um, and watered). so im keep em' moist and they poped backed up after a couple days.

I went to the store and got some HPS bulbs, new nutes, humidity moniter, and a ph tester today. i will start flowering once my plants pick up again. check me out later! Thanks for all your help! Check out this book i've been going off of. it has a lot of good info.

>>>>those are white widdow mothers in the clone room :)

[Garden Knowm]

i dig your pictures!!!!

[CaliJay]

Glad you were able to catch the problem SC. I know the feeling when your plants are giving off warning signs and you dont know what the damn signs mean.
looking at this thread is weird. I was reading through it and reckognizing my grow room in your photos. I have the same white plastic and silver ducting. I am also running two air cooled 1000 watt hoods like yours and have a carbon scrubber. Your photos just seemed very familiar.Plants will bounce back no worries bro. I know because I stressed mine pretty bad right out the gate, just a few weeks later and they are blasting off. I was laughing when you said you fell on your plant and almost killed it.:angelsmiley: :yippee: I fell on my plants too. :( I fell on like 6 of them. I broke some stems and squished some leaves.:mad: A few lost the soil out of the pots!:cursing: :sadcrying But these things bounced back too 2 weeks later All the plants are healty and fully filled out :thumbsup: .Lucky for me I had a few plants in my setup that were ready to become moms.:D They were gonna be topped anyway:smokin:
Did you switch to HPS yet? I am using combination spectrum SolarMax bulbs. I love these things. They are HPS bulbs that output a small percentage of light in the MH spetrum. It is so much easier on my eyes. The light is really bright but it seems much more like natural lighting so it doesn't bug me.
Plants are looking good though. I cant wait to see how it buds out. Keep the pics coming and hit me up if you need anything.

-Jay

[CaliJay]

Hey SC, I was just looking to see how our setups differ and noticed you are not running Co2 yet? Are you planning on adding it? All you would need to do is get an A/C unit and you would be set. You would be able to saturate your girls. I believe cannabis can use anywhere from 2000 to 3000 ppm of Co2. Fresh air is like 300 ppm. That is the weak point in nature. We loose lumens bringing plants indoor but we can make up for some of the loss with a Bottle of Co2. Speed up your harvest AND grow bigger and better buds. A piece of equipment that pays for itself is a good investment. I would like to see you get as much as possible from your effort. This stuff is not growing itself.:weedpoke:

[santacruz_organic]

yeah, i want to get co2 but those release regulators are so expensive, and i would probably need two of them. i might just wait till my harvest and then upgrade for my next grow unless i get an extra $500 sometime soon. i havent switched over to hps yet because i am waiting for that burnt growth to grow out just to make shure their ok. once their out of shock i will start to flower them. isnt the desired CO2 ppm 1800? how much do you think i will yield?

[CaliJay]

I would be looking to pull 4 lbs from 2000 watts. I am OK with 3.5 but 4 is the mark for me.

[The_Chronicler]

I would be looking to pull 4 lbs from 2000 watts. I am OK with 3.5 but 4 is the mark for me.

. 4 pounds off only a 2 light room? lol. You should be happy with just 3 pounds bro. Unless your using multiple lights,, like 4 or 5,, you proboably wont get 2 pounds plus per light. The plants feed off all the lumens in the room when there is a high number of lights. Otherwise,, you are just asking for 2 much.

[santacruz_organic]

How long should i wait till i start feeding my plants again?

[Racerx]

You want the ppm of your CO2 to typically match the ppm of your nutrient level. So at the height of your plants flowering (4 weeks in or so), when your PPM is around 1500-1600 or whatever, then you want your CO2 to match.

Remember with CO2 that you cant just leak it into the room. You need to cut the exhaust off, let temps rise (90 degrees!!!), and let the CO2 soak for around 45 mins-60 minutes (some people do more). Then exhaust for a period of time, then repeat over and over all day. If you are having a heat problem, this is something to think about and the reason why people use sealed aircooled lights. Also remember that you wont want to start CO2 until buds form and youll want to cut it out 2 weeks before your harvest or the CO2 will COMPLETELY rob your buds of taste and smell. Its horrible!

I just wanted to mention something about your CO2 pricing too. Im assuming your in the area of your name...so you have easy access to Craigslist.org You can find an insane amount of equipment (sometimes for insane prices) for sale. In fact about 75% of my equipment has been obtained from people like you and me. Out of the 30 people Ive bought stuff from, every single one has been incredibly cool and very chill (a key factor in our business). To give you an idea, I got my CO2 tank for $60 and my regulator for $50, and the other lines, etc for around $40. $150 for CO2 (and it even came half filled!). Ive seen PPM meters go for under $200 and Ive even seen $1300 plant controllers for go less then $500!

Remember too, your room must be completely sealed for CO2 (especially near the floor as CO2 is heavier then air). 1800ppm of CO2 is not very good for you.

Oh and remember, growth that has been damaged will not repair itself. As soon as you see nice new green growth, then your plant is ready. Start light and build your way up. In my experience its far better to under fert your plant then to over fert it and lock the stuff out.

PS. I would change over to HPS as soon as possible. MH is horrible for budding. You can always change one bulb first if your worried about switching over. But your plants look very established, I wouldn't worry about stressing them much.

[santacruz_organic]

Thanks for the help RACERX, your the man!! im going to craigs list right now.....

[TheGreenFog]

Good post, RacerX. Very good. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Have you seen the JOURNAL? :D

:rasta: RastafarI

TGF

[santacruz_organic]

could i hook this to a co2 tank and use it for fertilization w/ a timer?

[OregonsDank]

Hey SC just read back thru your log to see how we are doing on our first real grows!


Questions I have, what is the exact size of that pot? Im using 3 gallon, I transplanted 1 into a 5 gallon though last week.

Are you going to use mixed spectrum to bud or 2 HPS?
Im going to use 1000 HPS and 1000 MH for my first budding.

I read the co2 part, man that shit is so confusing to make it all perfect and safe! Confusing and expensive, a good AC and the electricity to run it ... can be very very costly in its self. I am going to wait till my 3rd grow to use CO2 so I can learn all the other shit first :P

[OregonsDank]

How do you get your air in, and what runs your exhaust?


I had an idea for your lights / room temp. If you suck the heat of your bulbs thru the vented hood, and then route 1/2 of that hot air back into your room , down low - and 1/2 outside of your room it REALLY helps keep stable room temps. Also keeping our precious roots over 60 degrees.

The air coming out of my 1 hood with 2000 watts in it is around 80 degrees, I use duct tap as a damper to send more or less outside.


Also I have never burned my plants with 2000 watts directly over my 6 babies, 15-18 inches away. I just make sure it doesnt feel warm to my hand during a 60 second period.

[OregonsDank]

sorry for 3rd post but careful on craigslist Just make sure you never give out personal address / #s etc..

[rood32]

looking absolutly lush man keep up the good work

[santacruz_organic]

Oregons dank, i am using 5 gal. buckets though they look small they are really 5 gallons (I tested it). i am only going to use HPS bulbs for flowering due to the fact they give of more light in the red spectrum (which plants need for flowering). I have a feeling that i wont be using co2 for a couple more grows either but check theese out!
http://www.4hydro.com/growroom/co2boost.asp
http://www.4hydro.com/growroom/co2excellofizz.asp

they are cheap and make perfect sense if you read up on them. could be a possible option for my next grow.

check out my pics of my ventilation and you should get the idea. two tubes are for exhaust and two are for intake. one of each is for my lights and the other intake and exhaust is for my room. i wanted to seal the air flow through my lights because i didnt wnat it to suck the co2, if i were to use it, out of my room while air cooling my lights. my exahuast for my lights is hooked up to a 6" mystery exhaust fan (im borrowing it, so i dont know the name of the maker or cfm's) which works very well and my exhaust for my room is hooked up to a carbon filter which is sucking air out of my room using an 8'" mystery fan. its working well and my temp is between 68F-80F.

Lets flower tomarrow! please tell me if you are up to it and ready.

[OregonsDank]

Deal, tmw it is - im still trying to figure out when to add my budding ferts and such , most of the pots are bone dry atm. Will have to water within 24 hours as im sure they will start a wilt today when lights go on.


U sure are popular as I want your email too so I can ask more specific questions on light timing and watering methods ect..

[email protected]

Would those buckets work better than a propane stove? Seems easier to adjust the co2 levels from a small stove, I wish they had mini Ox burners :X

[santacruz_organic]

stoves are really dangerous because you can burn your whole place down and your buds will go up in smoke the other way. not worth the risk.

[Garden Knowm]

stoves are really dangerous because you can burn your whole place down and your buds will go up in smoke the other way. not worth the risk.

Nice garden and smart too!!!

[santacruz_organic]

So we're in to week seven of my grow. i just flipped the lights to 12/12 and switched my bulbs from Metal Halide to HPS. my plants got a really bad case of nutrient burn (the worse one i have ever seen) but are starting to grow out of it. now that they are out of shock and growing again, i decided to flower since i have been putting it off to long in the first place. my plants barely fit into my room after i applied the LST technique to all my plants, or should i say bushes. my clones have been doing well, due to the fact they're not dead, and still living. they have been perked up for about a week now but im am not shure if they are rooted; i will give it another week or as soon as i can tell.

I watered my plants twice already, do you think it will be safe to start feeding again? i have been trimming my plants to and am not shure if i am cutting enough/too much of my plants leaves. what do you think? check out my last pic. the fourth picture is the nute burn.
RESPEC

[santacruz_organic]

^^^^^LOOK AT THE DIFFRENCE IN THE HPS LIGHTING COLOR COMPARED TO THE MH!

[TheGreenFog]

Man, those plants look so good. I love your set up. Perfect space. Very clean, and efficient. Those plants look very good. Nice and compact. You are doing very well. Kudos. I can't wait to see the final product. Wow. :eek:

And even tho they dont matter, I'm gonna give you some rep points for that. ;) LOL


:rastasmoke: RastafarI

TGF

[OregonsDank]

Day 1 of budding for you also aye!? *smokes one for the team*

Im going to pickup some foxfarm big bloom tmw, not the shit I aready got that is .01 .6 .9 big bloom shit >< I guess this is the "side salad" I need some shit to count as meat and potatoes! Ta water with..


You ever fix the problem causing fucked up tops? 2 of my 6 still arnt really growing I dont know if ill get shit off them at all.... I really fucked up - ph of 7.0 - 7.8 all around the room >< :(

Live, learn, smoke, try again! ( smoke some more! )

[santacruz_organic]

yeah my nute problem got out of the way and my plants growing the burnt leaves out. i have already thuroughly watered my plants twice since then, when should i start feeding them again?

[OregonsDank]

How is your soil PH?

Mine is around 7 still way .. was prob like 7.5 >< I feel this will be my only major downfall on my first grow. I am going to not share with the grow shop owner that said my soil would take care of itself! :P Next time my soil will just be a buffer for my human error trying to set it at 6.2


Anyways now that we are budding I would start mixing your budding fertilizer at like 20% strength of what you plan on using at the peak. Then step up from there. I have read alot of people doing this, hey are you all organic im not sure what nutes you use and im WAY to tired to scroll back.. ok ok I will..

I pretty much nuked 2 of my 6, they arnt really doing shit :X gonna try to flush them in a week if they dont pick up. Stupid filtered water without enough fertilzer to drop PH!

[santacruz_organic]

my ph is at 7, which i heard was ideal since 7 is nuetral. and yeah, im 100% organic.

[salezzi]

thank for the offer i acculy do have a few questions. Judging by the picks i have on my thread (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=90759) when do u think i should start feeding and transplant them. Im also planning on using LST and topping u think thats a good idea with this strain?

[CaliJay]

Hey guys I am on day 10 of flowering 32 pots. I am doing hydro though. I am told it is more productive and it seems like if you monitor it for 20 mins daily it is easier to catch and correct problems. All I have to do is adjust nutes or PH if they are out of whack and I am correcting my problems right away.
From what I can tell soil is best for new growers without as much knowledge as you two(SC and OD). My room is on timers and I am doing add backs to the solution every two to three days. Now that it is dialed in(finally!!!) It is not much work at all for the higher yeilds and faster flowering period. My system is a top feed with two 1/4 inch hoses feeding into 2 gal pots. The 2 gal pots are light and filled with coco and perlite so they are easy to manipulate.
What are some of your reasons for growing in soil?

[santacruz_organic]

soil is what plants are made for, im not saying hydro is worse by not using it, its just that i have enjoyed some of the best herb i have ever came across and maybe one out of five will be grown with hydroponics. i have heard many people say that soil produces a nicer smelling and tasting bud then hydro; but everyone has their opinions. i think hydro is a good way to grow if you dont have alot of time to spend with your plants or on your plants and produces problem free grows alot of the time, but if you ask me i like the challange and the proccess of continious building.


Hey guys I am on day 10 of flowering 32 pots. I am doing hydro though. I am told it is more productive and it seems like if you monitor it for 20 mins daily it is easier to catch and correct problems. All I have to do is adjust nutes or PH if they are out of whack and I am correcting my problems right away.
From what I can tell soil is best for new growers without as much knowledge as you two(SC and OD). My room is on timers and I am doing add backs to the solution every two to three days. Now that it is dialed in(finally!!!) It is not much work at all for the higher yeilds and faster flowering period. My system is a top feed with two 1/4 inch hoses feeding into 2 gal pots. The 2 gal pots are light and filled with coco and perlite so they are easy to manipulate.
What are some of your reasons for growing in soil?

[santacruz_organic]

thank for the offer i acculy do have a few questions. Judging by the picks i have on my thread (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=90759) when do u think i should start feeding and transplant them. Im also planning on using LST and topping u think thats a good idea with this strain?

i know you want your plants to grow fast right away, like i did, but feeding your plant to soon will just burn it and put it in shock for a week; so you would be stoping the growth and hurting it instead of having it grow faster ( check my page 1, those pre-veged clones are burnt from feeding. if i were you, i would wait until your plants are almost the heighth of the cup or about six inches tall. there is no rush into transplanting them but i would almost wait till they start veging so the shock of transplanting them doesnt hurt them as much.

I LST'd all my plants and look at them, their bushes, don't know for sure though but i never heard of LST being a bad thing. you can wait till the end of veg to do that though.

[Garden Knowm]

looking great.. WHY 2 carbon filters?

If one of them is not doing the job.. you should consider shaking it as hard as you can.... even changing the direction of the air flow briefly.. to rattle the carbon and move it around.. this can often add extra life..

great photos...

: )

[santacruz_organic]

thats a good question, i am wondering the same thing. can you buy new filters (foam) for your carbon filter? mine is getting a little dirty.

[santacruz_organic]

Check out my cloning technique, any thing you can add or criticize to my procedure would be greatly appreciated since i have never done it before. this might take a couple posts.

[santacruz_organic]

here are a few more,,,

[santacruz_organic]

Alright so here is my walk through....

picture #1 is a picture of my cloning trey, equipt with trey to catch water
Picture #2 is a picture of a cutting before i stripped the lower leaves
Picture #3 is a picture of the cutting striped
Picture #4 is a picture of me putting my clone in water to prepare for underwater cut.
Picture #5 is a picture of me cutting my plant at a 45 degree angle w/ a razor blade under water.
Picture #6 is a picture of me dipping my clone in to the Clonex gel.
picture #7 is a picture of me putting my clone in the clonning medium made of composted tree bark.
Picture #8 is a picture of me closing the hole on the growing medium w/ another piece of the medium.
Picture #9 is a picture of me misting the plants after putting on the plastic lid.
Picture #10 is a picture of my labeled clone box.
Picture #11 is a picture of my clone box in the clone room
Picture #12 is a white widdow mother

[CaliJay]

Hey Gnome, Hey SC, I figure it is me you are wondering about with the 2 filters?

The reason I have the 8 inch in there is to scrub the room odor continuously. I also use the 8 inch inline fan as a Co2 delivery system and to recirc new air through the garden. I mount the duct along the corner at the deiling. I seal the end with aluminium tape. I cut holes in the duct to allow air and Co2 to exhaust right onto the plants. The carbon filter is on the ground and in front of the A/C. It pics up the Co2 and cool air and drops it directly onto the garden.

The second filter is there to combat the humidity spike that occurs when the lights go out. That filter comes on, the dehumidifier fires up, and the Co2 stops dispensing at lights out. The fan exhausts into the attic. Probably not so important now but when I have buds they wont be getting moldy!!
I also plan to get a controller that will allow me to set that exhaust filter so it can be used as a high temp safety valve of sorts. I will have it come on if the air gets 95+.

I hope it all make sense. -Jay

Peace and Love.

PS. please take a look at my post in the hydro topics..."2000w to 3000w Should I expand or thin out crop?"

[santacruz_organic]

so should i start to feed my plants again?

[OregonsDank]

Since we are on the same time line, I can say what im doing.

I am just ph"ing plain water with 1 drop of super thrive, and just 5 - 10 ml of mollases.

Really mild solution, no real ferts - Just trying to get all the veging stuff out and get things stable on PH going for 6.4 or 6.5. I think ill wait a week or 2 still to fertilize since my plants are still coming out of shock from the trimming 2 days before budding.

Can you post some pictures of your plants , or your 2 biggest from about 3 feet away, just enough to show me top of pot as size comparison / height and stuff.

[santacruz_organic]

yeah, i will post some around 10 or 11 tonight. i got to go to work :)

[santacruz_organic]

here are some pics, there will be more on wed.

[Racerx]

hey organic. one thing to remember. it is better to pour your clonex into a seperate container. I like a tall and thin shot glass so you barely use much and it coats the cutting high but without much. This will keep you from contaminating your expensive bottle of Clonex. If your cutting for some reason has a virus or such (it happens), then you can pass it on to every other cutting. Plenty of people get away with it, but its an easy way to be sure. If I pour to much out, then I get it into a sealable container and try to use it soon on some other cuttings that I dont care much about. Or I pour it back into the rockwool around the stem. No denying that this accelerates rooting.

[santacruz_organic]

by this time next week, i will have a full CO2 system up and running! my question is where should i put the pre-drilled tubbing from the co2 tank in regards to my plants. i know it has to be above the plants and most people say on the roof; but will the light fixtures block falling co2? should i put the tubing under the lights? This is the release solenoid im getting.

[Racerx]

its a gas, lights wont get in the way. Thats why you have oscillating fans going, to pick the CO2 up and distribute it around the plants. They should be on the floor because of CO2's weight compared to the air.

[santacruz_organic]

so here is my wedsday post... a week into flowering and its looking good so far. i should be getting a dehumidifier and tanked co2 this weekend. check out the pics! picture #2 is of my lower fan leaves yellowing. what is this from?

[sonomacoma]

so here is my wedsday post... a week into flowering and its looking good so far. i should be getting a dehumidifier and tanked co2 this weekend. check out the pics! picture #2 is of my lower fan leaves yellowing. what is this from?

prune those things there just taking up your plants energy

[Garden Knowm]

During the growing season, chlorophyll is continually being produced and broken down and leaves appear green. As night length increases in the autumn, chlorophyll production slows down and then stops and eventually all the chlorophyll is destroyed.

Yellowing leaves are normal in the last stages of flowering..

If they come off easy,,, take them away to the trash..

iloveyou

very NICE plants :)

[santacruz_organic]

some freshly misted clones
Look what i got......

[bzbuzzard]

im confused..... wats a clone...see ive never gorwn anything inside yall talkin about 2000 watts dehumidifiers, all theese terms and stuff, co2 you guys are smarter than the world precieves lol. can yall give me a link to a good book about how to grow pot that i an buy, also i was wandering my friend says never to order stuff to your house always setup a po box....but dont you ahve to use ytour name to get a po box?>

[CaliJay]

Lookin good cruz... Looks like I may need to take a trip down 101 and pay you a visit. Let me know if you want any help when it comes harvest time. I'll keep my edges sharp just in case ;)

I just pruned my gals at 17 days into flower. Seal your room!!!! I went through way too much Co2 the first bottle only lasted just over 3 days!!

Just a thought... You me and Caligreen should get a cali hybrid going. Got any boys in your setup? I bought clones for my maiden voyage.

Here are a couple of pics of where I pruned mine(I just did what felt right) and my plants at day 18. Tomorrow is day 21 flower for me.

I put in some before and after photos for the pruning tell me what you think of the amount of pruning.

Peace and love -Jay

[CaliJay]

Hey buzzard...Take a look in the beginners section of the forum. Come up with some questions and post them in the hydro or indoor sections and I will keep an eye out for you and help you out.

Love

[CaliJay]

Hey gnome, when are we going to trek to india for some serious enlightenment and conciousness building?

Peace my friend -Jay

[santacruz_organic]

Yo buzzard, check out "The Cannabis Grow Bible" by Greg Green. it will help you out.
Cali J- no males but i am going to start a seed to breed grow soon. ill keep you updated. till then check my post every weds. to see progession.
thanks for the comments!

[bzbuzzard]

thanks guys, not a beginner to pot, just indoor growing lol

[CaliJay]

"Seed to breed"? Please elaborate... Does this just mean you will be popping some seeds solely for the purpose of crossing strains???

[santacruz_organic]

dont forget it!

[razzapiggy]

This is your first grow right? Looking real nice. With reguards to the yellow leaves, it's completely natural don't worry about a thing. I am in my first grow right now, can't wait to start flowering. I will check up on your thread and see the end result. I have friends who say they got no bud that was sell-able from their first few harvests, looks like you are miles ahead of them!

Bee

P.S I live in Santa Cruz as well, wonder if we know each other!

[OregonsDank]

How are you using your co2 in conjunction with air in and out, are you using an AC?

How much total did it cost for everying you need to run the co2 system.

Ty in advance

[santacruz_organic]

actually, after i air cooled my lights my heat source was practically gone. now it is a battle of heat supply for my room. i have my CO2 on for 4 min. then my room is shut off (no exahaust) for 1 hour. after the one hour of co2 circulation in my room i turn my exhaust of for 10 min. and right after i turn it off i hit with another 4 min. of co2 for an hour and so forwth.
the tank is around $200 but luckly enough i was able to barrow one from the place i work. the release valve is ~$160. once you have those two things you can grab tubbing for about 15 cents a foot. i will post pics once my lights are on tonight at around 10:30 of my set up.

[santacruz_organic]

So i got my co2 up and running, which is a task i am proud of completing, and transplanted a few clones into jiffy pots. I also got a dehumidifier today which i am anxious to use. once i have finally reached the optimum growing enviornment for my plants due to humidity, co2, and temp; i am going to experiment w/ hydroponics. i think that might take me a while to start off at, but always looking for that next step. i personally enjoy natural and organic soil grown herb the best but cant criticize hydroponics due to the fact i have never done it myself. thats why i am egar to try it. but untill then i will be looking for clones, and increasing my breed variety.

[santacruz_organic]

here are some of the clones i transplanted into jiffy pots (peat moss pots). i have to say it was pure luck that i have so far an astonishing rate of 100% successes on all my clones. all but 10 of the 49 have rooted and those ten are starting to grow. luck, positive karma, and kindness from friends have blessed my first grow so far and hopefully for many years to come!

[faithless]

Great work. You went to pro status at your first indoor attempt. I'm very jealous of your set up and your success.

[santacruz_organic]

the flowers are starting to come along very well. the node regions are very close to eachother and are enough of them to create nice size nugets. my co2 is running and is hopefully norishing my plants with a ppm of about 1200 - 1500. i also have my dehumidifier running which is keeping my room at a moderate humidity level of about 40%. most of my clones have rooted and i got some af go clones a couple days ago. tell me what you think of my flowering so far!

[bzbuzzard]

all this shit is confusing lol

[OregonsDank]

Hey santacruz, mind posting a few more updated closer pictures of your buds so I can compare how mine are doing?

I pretty much nailed my last grow problem of not PHing the water and everything is very green on the home front here. Ill update mine soon - check em out and reply if you could :)

[CaliJay]

Hey OD.. Here is my grow at 24 days....

[Splifted]

Hey cali, when did you start flowering, nov 10th? Mine started nov 11th :) Looking good everyone, I can't wait to see that room all budded up and dankified, santacruz. I was watching this grow at the very beginning, but i missed the past few pages. I missed lot lol, those monsterous things are big enough to give kids nightmares.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, SantaC. Looking good. Very nice grow, man. Love the scale. Perfect.

Here's to a flowering stage free of problems! ---- :glugglug:


Looking forward to a weigh in!


:rastasmoke:


TGF

[santacruz_organic]

thanks fog. my buds are just starting to meet at the node regions. its about week 3 in a couple days. check out theese pics. there will be better pics when my lights turn on. thanks man!

[Splifted]

Well, while everyone is posting bud shots of their plants that we all started flowering around the same time, check out mine :D Day 21 of flower in those pics.

[santacruz_organic]

here is a nice pic at 19 days flower

[faithless]

Great buds, looking lovely.

[santacruz_organic]

What would be better?????????

i have a question. what would be better? to cut the lower branches that are obviously not going to produce proper buds and risk putting the plant in shock or just leaving it be? they are three weeks into flower. thanks in advance:)

[Garden Knowm]

I would leave them... YOU COULD get some clones!!!!

:)

[santacruz_organic]

wouldnt i have to cut them anyway if i wanted to clone them? and should i just reveg? seems like a lot of work..

[santacruz_organic]

So its my third week in the flowering cycle and my buds are comming along nicely, i hope they get big! tell me what you think. SC

[Racerx]

they look awesome santa cruz. little sea of green. do you know "apprx" flowering times on the strains your growing? 8? 9? 10 weeks?

[santacruz_organic]

im not shure but i would say anywhere from a month to a month and a half, we will smoke a fatty when its ready, no doubt about that:rasta:

[CaliJay]

Looking nice SC! They look like mine do at 4 weeks. I burned the shit out of my girls with nutes and lighting. They are recovering now but I think I stressed them and they are a bit behind schedule now :0(

[santacruz_organic]

yeah, i am worried about that to, i just lowered my lights to 14". should i start adding secondary nutrients? a lot of my fan leaves are turning yellow and i dont know if it is natural for them to lose so many leaves this early. thanks for your help:jointsmile:

[santacruz_organic]

got my clones transplanted and ready to veg., i still have to go to the city and get some more strains though, right now its Super silver haze, white widdow, trainwreck, afgoo, and one unknown (powerplant?). still waiting on one or two afgoo's to root. until then,

[sonomacoma]

got my clones transplanted and ready to veg., i still have to go to the city and get some more strains though, right now its Super silver haze, white widdow, trainwreck, afgoo, and one unknown (powerplant?). still waiting on one or two afgoo's to root. until then,

how long did it take those clones to root and turn into the plant in this pic?

[razzapiggy]

Looking good cruz... flowering must be an exciting time. I have kind of run into what could be a small problem with my grow, check out my thread for details. You are looking good in there buddy! I am not planning to run c02 on my first grow due to the fact that I am absolutely strapped for cash and am having a hard time buying even the absolute essential things right now. BLOWS. But anyhow, chat soon

[santacruz_organic]

how long did it take those clones to root and turn into the plant in this pic?
i would say about three weeks old. they really started to grow in the last couple days.

[santacruz_organic]

Looking good cruz... flowering must be an exciting time. I have kind of run into what could be a small problem with my grow, check out my thread for details. You are looking good in there buddy! I am not planning to run c02 on my first grow due to the fact that I am absolutely strapped for cash and am having a hard time buying even the absolute essential things right now. BLOWS. But anyhow, chat soon

Yo razz, i feel for ya. money causes more problems then happiness it seems like. luckly enough i was able to barrow half my stuff (carbon filter, 2 exahuast fans, co2 tank, dehumidifier) . if you need anything such as MH bulbs or anything else that can help,(nutes, propagation trays, cloning gel, flouros, ect.) just hit me up and could probably shoot you some stuff as long as it isnt in use at the moment. just like some one helped me out.

[razzapiggy]

Sounds sweet man, I sent you an email - haven't heard back just yet. Hope all is well!

[santacruz_organic]

here are some more flowering pics a little over three weeks.:jointsmile:

[razzapiggy]

Looking oh so tasty my friend! Keep up the good work - can't wait until I am flowering as well!

[CaliJay]

You're doing a great job SC..Dope weed comes frome happy plants and happy plants come from CALIFORNIA :D Represent my friend!...I think I just found a signature!

I just snipped clones today. Next grow I am going to modify the process that Tranoble used in his 3lbs a light thread and fill my 4x4 trays with coco and perlite and plant 25 plants in each tray without pots and see how it goes. He trims the bottom 7 branches at 10 days in flower and gets (as Gnome would say) Massive, epic buds!! The plants grow almost straight up and don't take much lateral space.

SC get a light meter. If you check out the "are you serious about yeild" thread I posted you will see that MJ should get no more than 9000 foot candles of light and many say that 5500 is the most the plant can use. Since we are using Co2 and 85degrees I think we can get away with close to 9000 but you need to be able to check FC at the canopy. I am ordering one today. I use Solarmax lights that put out more lumens than Hortilux so I want to be careful.

What are your PPM at? Mine burned at 1400 so I am backed off to 1150 and they are growing again after about a week of major stress. Peace friend and thanks for lettin me hang out on your thread.


PEACE Out -Jay

[santacruz_organic]

You're doing a great job SC..Dope weed comes frome happy plants and happy plants come from CALIFORNIA :D Represent my friend!...I think I just found a signature!

I just snipped clones today. Next grow I am going to modify the process that Tranoble used in his 3lbs a light thread and fill my 4x4 trays with coco and perlite and plant 25 plants in each tray without pots and see how it goes. He trims the bottom 7 branches at 10 days in flower and gets (as Gnome would say) Massive, epic buds!! The plants grow almost straight up and don't take much lateral space.

SC get a light meter. If you check out the "are you serious about yeild" thread I posted you will see that MJ should get no more than 9000 foot candles of light and many say that 5500 is the most the plant can use. Since we are using Co2 and 85degrees I think we can get away with close to 9000 but you need to be able to check FC at the canopy. I am ordering one today. I use Solarmax lights that put out more lumens than Hortilux so I want to be careful.

What are your PPM at? Mine burned at 1400 so I am backed off to 1150 and they are growing again after about a week of major stress. Peace friend and thanks for lettin me hang out on your thread.


PEACE Out -Jay

i think my ppm is between 1100 and 1400 or so. it is hard for me to check do to the fact that those co2 tester syringes dont work for shit. i followed what it said on the release chart so it should be in proper range. how much is one of those light intensity testers? whould i just need it to check my inensity? what would be the point?

im stoked im using co2. at first i didnt notice any difference but now my buds are growing bigger every day. i cant belive they arent even half way done flowering. i cant imagine what 40 more days is going to look like. thanks for the comments.

[santacruz_organic]

some more flowering pics. i have taken alot of yellow leaves off my plants. i dont know i they are naturally changing to yellow as most plants do during fall or flowering hours or if it is a nute defficincy. i just fed them theyre micro nutrients or secondary nutrients just to be safe. the yellow leaves have brownish splotches on them, is this just a proccess of dying since they are completely brown when theyre dead? thanks for the help!
SC:jointsmile:

[razzapiggy]

What are of the plant do most of the leaves seem to be coming off/dying from? Bottom? Middle? Top? I would say the lower the leaves are, the better off you are... because from what I have read and seen this is a natural process that happens to most plants. Best of luck

[santacruz_organic]

yeah mostly from the bottom up. i am almost 100% shure its a nitrogen defficincy even though im feeding it half veg half bloom. its actually clearing alot of the leaves that arent being used which is a good thing. self thining?

[razzapiggy]

I think some will say thats good, others will say thats bad...I have buddies who trim all the bottom leaves to force the plant to concentrate on growing upwards, other people will tell you that isn't a good practice...from my angle it's a personal preference.

[OregonsDank]

Hey santa -

I think your plants need some nitrogen. When was the last time you feed them your veg formula? I am adding 5 drops of mine per watering, and mid budding , last week for us I did a full heavy nitro feed.

I plan on not using it on my reg water now since 4 weeks from harvest and it tastes like shit. Ill also be flushing my plants towards the end.


Also I wouldnt personally take off any leaves.. only the dead ones at the bottom, and I mean completely dead. I have read on this specifically for many hours on many sites. The census is that it doesnt help to take them off. And that if you leave them on the plant will and can use the stored energy.

If they are in the way just tuck them under and such. Just my opinion.

[santacruz_organic]

i think im going to ride it out because like you said, we are close to harvest and i am going to probably drop all my ferts. my buds are growing like crazy so i know its not effecting growth. do you think it will mess with the potency of my buds? they look to me like they are producing a lot of crystals every time i see them. do i need all that nitrogen?

[OregonsDank]

Yah safe to say dont use it this grow.

I do feel you need to have some nitrogen in your plants diet during budding though. Not much but some.

[santacruz_organic]

almost half way through flowering and my buds are lookin' big enough as is for my satisfction. cant wait to see how big they are when they are done!

[TheGreenFog]

Looking GREAT, man. Keep it up!

:greenthumb:

:rastasmoke:

TGF

[razzapiggy]

Looks awesome. You did a great job with your first grow. Did you top your plants? How long did you veg? How tall are they now?

[Racerx]

Hahah, and you were worried about whether you would come out with enough... Looks like you will exceed your expectations which is always a wonderful feeling. The really funny part is...you still have 4 weeks left which is when they put on the most weight and mass. Cant wait to see more pictures, looks awesome.

[Splifted]

Looking amazing as always santacruz, I'm at 4 weeks & 5 days of flowering myself, and mine aren't quite as shiny. Trade ya lol. Anyway keep up the great pics, I'm gonna try and get some macro shots tonight, I got another magnifier so we'll see how they turn out. Absolutely beautiful plants man.

[santacruz_organic]

Looks awesome. You did a great job with your first grow. Did you top your plants? How long did you veg? How tall are they now?

Actually i didnt top my plants once though i added some LST procedures. I veged for a little to long, like six weeks do to a burn i had to wait out. they arent to tall for being mostly sativa but they have like 8 main colas and a bunch of smaller colas on one plant. looks good to me!

[santacruz_organic]

Thanks racer spliff. many pics to come. Got some God Bud X G 13 clones from the city today. i think the free sample of the finished product sold it.

[santacruz_organic]

So its been exactly 35 days since i started flowering and my buds are looking good. i know that they are goinhg to grow the most these couple weeks and gain the most weight. i have heard of buds almost doubleing in size during the last weeks of flowering as i hope mine do. MANY crystals and MANY buds. i do have a problem with all my fan leaves being yellow but it looks like its going to be an awsome yeild. comments aprreciated

[santacruz_organic]

here are the pics

[santacruz_organic]

im stoned...

[bud luv]

my plants are in 5 gal. and im also a medical grower for two patients and the local club. my ferts are 5:5:5 down to earth all purpouse blend (water based) which im using at half strength since most use 10:10:10 at quarter strength. i did so much things in my grow room this last week its hard to tell whats up. do you think i will need secondary nutes or are the primary NPK enough? i started oct 1st i think the same day as you. my plants were at 18" but i had to tie them down last week because i was going to lose product from them being so tall. are yours clones or seeds? if seeds your plants will double in hieght when you flower. so your plants will be like 4'. I need to flip mine ASAP (once i can by HPS bulbs). i reccomend you do the same. that would be cool if we harvested together. do you have a log? if so link it to me!


Hey man, great setup.

How do you work it out to be a grower for other patients and/or the club? Is there any sort of "legal" documentation? I too am in CA, not far from you.

Check out my grow "New Grow Log" in indoor growing!

[Dan K.]

Hey man, great setup.

How do you work it out to be a grower for other patients and/or the club? Is there any sort of "legal" documentation? I too am in CA, not far from you.

Check out my grow "New Grow Log" in indoor growing!

You have to become a caregiver to grow for other patients, I'm not exactly sure if it's the same for the clubs or if something further is needed, for example I have no idea what commercial growers need to obtain to sell to the club, becoming a caregiver is good for another 6-12 plants but how people can legally grow multiple hundreds of plants to sell to the club I don't know.

did that help at all?

by the way santacruz, fuck yeah!!

[bud luv]

I know that you need to become a "caregiver," but I don't know what the process of this is. Is there some sort of documentation you need that says you're growing for so-and-so?

It's effing mysterious.

[santacruz_organic]

im not selling ANY of this. all of it is for personal use. if anything i will be giving it to other patients free of charge. but if you were going to sell to a club you would probably have to talk to the owner and work something out. i am pretty shure it is illegal to sell marijuana to anyone at any time.

[Garden Knowm]

im not selling ANY of this. all of it is for personal use. if anything i will be giving it to other patients free of charge.

I'll be over in 5 minutes :) :jointsmile:

[Splifted]

I'll be over in 5 minutes :) :jointsmile:

I'm riding with GK.:joint1:

[bud luv]

im not selling ANY of this. all of it is for personal use. if anything i will be giving it to other patients free of charge. but if you were going to sell to a club you would probably have to talk to the owner and work something out. i am pretty shure it is illegal to sell marijuana to anyone at any time.

lol, i wouldn't be selling mine if I were growing, which I'm not. I'm just curious because I've heard of people having over-the-allotted amount of plants numerous times for this specific reason.

:smokin:

[santacruz_organic]

Ok... here is another week past. i dont know if people are even keeping up with my grow since it hasnt been viewed in a long time but if you are interested i will brake it down for you.
So it is the sixth week in the flowering cycle and my plants are almost done. I think it has speed up alot due to the fact that i am using co2 or maybe i still have a couple weeks. over 50% of the pistols have changed color but my trichomes are still looking milky-clear. i would say about another 5 to 10 days. My yield looks great as is so im not worried about pushing it to the max; im more concerned on when to yeild due to the high the herb will give. around 50/50 is good for me.
I also have bad news. one of my plants has been infected with spidermites. it isnt bad ( i have to really search for them and find maybe one every five minutes of looking); as you all know spider mites are easy to find even when they are in small numbers. i found one on each of the surounding plants, 3 total, and none on the rest with intensive searching. not to worried about it, it was bound to happen. The day i have a grow with not one spider mite will be the day pigs fly.
Here are the pics..:jointsmile:

[doco]

Wow, to follow this grow and watch it evolve from the beginning is an amazing journey. Nice work!

[razzapiggy]

Looking real nice SantaCruz! You did a great job with your first grow

[razzapiggy]

How much was your co2 system? I have some extra cash, considered setting up a drip system but I think I'm going to opt for the co2 and water em the old fashioned way.

[santacruz_organic]

How much was your co2 system? I have some extra cash, considered setting up a drip system but I think I'm going to opt for the co2 and water em the old fashioned way.

That would be a way better investment then a drip system. for a release solenoid your looking at $140 plus a co2 tank which is $200 and both are reusable. it only cost like $20 a month to run after that. i will never do a grow without it since i have used it. thanks for the props!

[TheGreenFog]

VERY NICE SantaCruz. I'm definitely keepin up with ya. Have you ever peeped my thread (LIS)? Anyway, nice plants. Definitely a good example of waht some good info, love and Carbon Dioxide can do for ya! Hells yea. Looking forward to YOUR harvest pics, for sure!

Be cool, man.

:rastasmoke: RastafarI

TGF

[santacruz_organic]

Thanks fog, and i definately checked your thread as well, much props. alot of pictures and info which is very good. looking forward to my harvest as well, but im not going to post any pictures.....just kidding.

[Garden Knowm]

Hey gnome, when are we going to trek to india for some serious enlightenment and conciousness building?

Peace my friend -Jay

:)

SABTA CRUZ your shite is TIGHT

[santacruz_organic]

heres a close up. its hard to tell what color the trichomes are due to the light. almost done though.

[santacruz_organic]

So i had to harvest the plant w/ the spider mites due to the fact i still saw reproduction and i didnt want to risk spredding. would of rather waited a few more days but oh well. all the others will be done soon.

[santacruz_organic]

a few more pics

[razzapiggy]

Looking very nice friend! I am back from vacation, your grow looks like it's going extremely well. Happy to see it. I am two weeks into 12.12 - because my strain is a good part Sativa, I don't have much bud formation just yet. How many watts are you doing in your grow again? I am doing 2000 and the people at the local grow store said to hold off co2 until I expand.

[santacruz_organic]

im doing 2000 as well. the people at the grow store arent always right and some times absolutely wrong. when i asked them about co2 they told me to run it at night! they also said my air cooling wouldnt work on my lights but it is hard to keep my temperature up now that they are air cooled. all plants need co2, whether one or a hundred and it will make fatter nugs and speed harvest time. check out my nugs at two weeks into flowering. thanks for the props. peace

[razzapiggy]

Looks great. Yeah, I have gotten opinions split right down the middle as to weather or not to use co2 with a 2000 watt operation. Did you go with the digital set up for the co2? I was told at the store that would cost about $800 bucks, while the cheaper system would be around $500. Are you use taping water here in Santa Cruz or no? Great job! Now roll up a phatty and enjoy some of your first harvest! =)

[bud luv]

mmmm yummy.

[santacruz_organic]

Looks great. Yeah, I have gotten opinions split right down the middle as to weather or not to use co2 with a 2000 watt operation. Did you go with the digital set up for the co2? I was told at the store that would cost about $800 bucks, while the cheaper system would be around $500. Are you use taping water here in Santa Cruz or no? Great job! Now roll up a phatty and enjoy some of your first harvest! =)

the tap in my part of the city is an even ph but i still let it chill for a while before watering. your operation will cost around $200 for the tank but will last forever, for the adapter $140 and that will last forever, and fill it once a month. definately speeds growth time and bud size. i recommend getting it.

[Racerx]

the tap in my part of the city is an even ph but i still let it chill for a while before watering. your operation will cost around $200 for the tank but will last forever, for the adapter $140 and that will last forever, and fill it once a month. definately speeds growth time and bud size. i recommend getting it.

Looking good as always santacruz. hope you turned the CO2 off. I turn it off atleast 2 weeks before harvest or you risk losing all taste and smell. Its quite fustrating when you dont know that and ruin your perfect looking product. Atleast a week bare minimum. Since your more of a conesiuer, I would do atleast 2 weeks. Flush with fresh air and water.

Santa Cruz tap water averages around 280ppm if I remember correctly from past experience. pH around 6.8-7 (great for soil).

[santacruz_organic]

Today was the day... i harvested all the rest of my plant and am hanging them to dry; in a week or so they will probably be dry enough to do a weigh in which i know every one is curious about. i weighed the premature plant i yeilded a week a go and it read 34 grams but will probably lose at least another quarter ounce in weight.
Heres a question, my relative humidity is between 30% and 40% with my exhaust off and gets to as low as 20% when my exhaust is on continuously. i have been informed that your RH should be around 55% when drying so what i want to know is if i should just leave it or if i should bring a bowl of water into my room which seems like kind of a strange thing to do..
thanks in advance for your help! here are some pics.

[santacruz_organic]

Some more pics

[bud luv]

nice bud shots. success!!

did you ever say what strain it is?

[santacruz_organic]

SSH = Super Silver Haze

[bud luv]

Ah. my first ever grow was SSH. Great work, man.

[razzapiggy]

looks beautiful! best of luck with the drying process... you must be real stoked with your first grow

[Garden Knowm]

WOW...

hail SANTA CRUZ.. nice BRO!!!

[420Paul]

For real, what did it weigh?

[santacruz_organic]

well my smallest plant weighed a little over an ounce so im looking in between 1 to 1 1/2 lbs. i will do my real weigh in in a week or when my plants are dry.

[santacruz_organic]

I would like to say thank you to every one who has helped me during my first grow. I also want to give thanks to every one who viewed my log and motivated me to upgrade into a better growing environment.
check out my soon to be grow log 48 PLANT SOG GROW Which will be holding AFGOO, GOD BUDxG13, WHITE WIDDOW, TRAIN WRECK, and a couple SSH. See you then


Total Weigh in ~ 22 oz.

[santacruz_organic]

Here are some pics

[Garden Knowm]

NICE cruz... sned me a link whenever you start a thread!! you rock!!!

[razzapiggy]

great looks Santa Cruz. The bud looks wonderful, would love to give it a try. How many plants did you grow? I have 32 going right now under 2000 watts, was hopeful to get about a pound to a pound and a half. Looks like we grew under similar conditions only you were blessed to have used co2. Very encouraging to see someone do so well on their first time though!

[razzapiggy]

Nice meeting you Cruz. We will be in touch, and next time we'll pay our parking meters before getting irry on the beach!!! Late!

[TheGreenFog]

Holy buds, man. I must have somehow missed the harvest pics. Just looked...amazing! :eek: Did you get any LARGE colas? What was your largest, if so?

VERY NICE. You're a natural, man, for sure. I sure wish I had a large space like that to work with. Looks good. Looking forward to your next log. :)

Smoke up. :smokin:


The Fog :rastasmoke:


Edit: I'd give you some rep for this for sure, but it says I've given out too much in the last 24 hours. Will hit you up next time. You deserve it. :cool:

[santacruz_organic]

thanks fog! my largest cola was about the length of my hand.

[Tomthehippie]

Great Grow man! :)