Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

[Pass That Shit]

Okay guys, I have been posting on this forum of recent, but have yet to start a thread of my own. So just for the fun of it, I decided to do so. Here goes my question.

If you were asked to state the one thing that you feel the strongest as to why God does not exist what would you say? I'm not looking for an entire paragraph. Just give me your strongest feeling in one sentence. Thanks for playing :thumbsup:

Examples:
God does not exist cause I have never seen him.
God does not exits cause there's no peace on Earth.

[harris7]

God could not exist because his nature (being all- good –powerful and-knowing) are incompatable with our world, which is full of evil

This is, the problem of evil

[dutch.lover]

God does not exist because if he did, he would never allow all this killing in his name to continue.

God does not exist because his 'rules' make many good people unhappy (depending on the religion: unallowing divorce, gay marriage, birth control, premarital sex, etc... not to mention persecuting people of other religions eg. pagans back in the day).:mad:

[KK5]

Because god never existed.

[Hempstone]

God does exist. And, one day, "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

[Inferius]

God does not exist becuase god is an Idea, there is no proof of him yet and I doubt there ever will be.

[Polymirize]

God cannot exist because if she did, she would by definition be an absolute.

And there are no absolutes. Well, except that one I suppose. Or... shucks.

[mrdevious]

We're going to need a team of bomb-squad pro's to defuse this nuclear shit bomb.

[someuser]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

[ate]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.


Genius.

[mrdevious]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

I second that.

[BLaQLiGhT]

God will love you all no matter what you guys/gals say :D ...

[sm0k1t]

God does exist for the simple reason that we have the idea/thought of perfection

[the image reaper]

as the saying goes: "it doesn't matter if you don't believe in God, because HE believes in you" ... and in the 'End', "every knee shall bend, every head shall bow, and know Jesus Christ is Son of the Living God " ... :)

[MastaChronic]

god does not exist because if he did, i would have already bitch slapped him.

[notech]

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And there is NO afterlife,, when you die that's it,, lights out forever,, no

reincarnation or coming back as some other "being". . . . :p

Peace. . . . :thumbsup:

[acrca]

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GOD DOES NOT EXIST BECAUSE HE IS A FIGMENT OF PEOPLES IMAGINATIONS !!!
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And there is NO afterlife,, when you die that's it,, lights out forever,, no

reincarnation or coming back as some other "being". . . . :p

Peace. . . . :thumbsup:

well what happens to our soul and how do you know that you cant just say that :confused:

god does not exist because i dont know whether it exists or not

[Purple Banana]

God did not create Man- Man created God.

God does not exist- no perfect god would "allow" a human race to fuck up as badly as they did because think about how bad that listing would be on his cosmic resume...

No one would hire someone based on their failure, even though they "tried real hard," yet fucked it up so badly.

[B u M b L ee K y]

God doesn't exist because my life is what I make it out to be.

[harris7]

well what happens to our soul and how do you know that you cant just say that :confused:

god does not exist because i dont know whether it exists or not

well he dosn't believe in a soul. nor do I. And there is NO reason to think that anything else would happen. what do you think happens what a flea dies or a tree or a human. The cells exist for a while and then nothing.

Very depressing, I guess thatâ??s why we thought up heaven and thatâ??s why people believe. Because they want to believe, not because they think it is true

[acrca]

well he dosn't believe in a soul. nor do I. And there is NO reason to think that anything else would happen. what do you think happens what a flea dies or a tree or a human. The cells exist for a while and then nothing.

Very depressing, I guess thatâ??s why we thought up heaven and thatâ??s why people believe. Because they want to believe, not because they think it is true

well you might be right but there is no way for anyone to know what happens for sure but what i do know is i am myself as a soul that exists now but what troubles my mind is i have no idea what will happen to my soul when i die even if we disappear forever we still have to be somewhere right?? <<you cannot answer that question only god himself can do that but it doesnt matter because he does not exist in our lives.

so what im getting at is there is no way to know the answer to this kind of questions you just have to wait and see

[mrdevious]

even if we disappear forever we still have to be somewhere right??


"we" don't have to be anywhere actually. So far as we know, the human condition is nothing but a collection of billions of physical and mental processes. When the person dies, those processes all break down and the intricate system falls apart, and "we" fall apart into the decaying matter with everything else in existence. Just as if we took a car apart and returned all it's components back to the earth to the elemental level, the car would no longer exist.


<<you cannot answer that question only god himself can do that but it doesnt matter because he does not exist in our lives.

Nobody can definatively answer any question in regards to a process unseen, as scientifically minded people would leave open the possibility of absolutely anything. But, until there is evidence to support the existence of something which has no evidence for its existence, there is no viable reason to believe it exists.

I've heard many people claiming that Atheism is a religion because it holds a "belief" that there is no god. But it is not a religion because it does not actualy deny the possibility of god, nor does an objective atheist actually believe there is no god. They would only assert that belief in god is illogical unless there is some reason to believe it. For an atheist, that reason is still pending.

[Th3 sand m4n]

god dosent exist because humans originally evolved from simple organic molecules containing carbon. Energy from the sun, lightning, and earth's heat triggered chemical reactions to produce small organic molecules from substances present in the atmosphere. These molecules were organized by chance into complex organic molecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids that are essential to life.
And proof of this comes from a famous experiment. two American scientists, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey, carried out an experiment in which they attempted to simulate early earth conditions according to evolutionists. They mixed water vapor with ammonia, methane, and hydrogen gases. They then sent an electric current that simulated lightning through the mixture. Then they cooled the mixture of gases, producing a liquid that simulated rain. After a week, they collected the liquid in a flask and analyzed the chemicals therein. They found that three amino acids (amino acids constitute the basic elements of proteins, which are the building blocks of living cells) were synthesized.

[OldStoner]

It don't matter what you believe.
If He needs you He'll call you.
and if calls you you'll know it

[mrdevious]

It don't matter what you believe.
If He needs you He'll call you.
and if calls you you'll know it

A schizophrenic knows beyond a doubt that his beliefs about the government stealing his organs are true. I wish people would stop being convinced of something because they "just know... deep down... it's too convincing not to be true". Everyone sadly underestimates the power of the human brain and its ability to convince you.

[acrca]

man this is really a mind boggling topic ever since ive read this thread i keep thinking we dont really have souls but then i think thats impossible because i know im here now. and now mr devious has to belive that we fade into the ground well im not beliving anything until it happens.

i kind of suspect that reincarnation is the only answer

[Fengzi]

God does not exist because, if he did, he would not allow centuries of warfare and needless killing, all in the name of which version of him/her is correct.

[Pass That Shit]

"we" don't have to be anywhere actually. So far as we know, the human condition is nothing but a collection of billions of physical and mental processes. When the person dies, those processes all break down and the intricate system falls apart, and "we" fall apart into the decaying matter with everything else in existence. Just as if we took a car apart and returned all it's components back to the earth to the elemental level, the car would no longer exist.

For your information, we are all eternal beings. Just because your body breaks down doesn't mean you don't continue. Why do you think sleeping represents death? And by the way, cars don't have souls. Do cars dream?

[MastaChronic]

For your information, we are all eternal beings. Just because your body breaks down doesn't mean you don't continue. Why do you think sleeping represents death? And by the way, cars don't have souls. Do cars dream?

yes, in fact my moms cadillac told me of this dream he had last night about driving down the freeway racing with some other cars and having a fun time :thumbsup:

[Pass That Shit]

Caddy's are the exception. :dance:

[Pass That Shit]

Did you win the race? :pimp:

[MastaChronic]

i didnt win any race and he didnt know

[Weednuts]

God is a concept that we, the most advanced animals on this planet, have conjured up to help us accept the fact that we are far too early in our development to even understand the most fundamental things about our universe.

I just wrote that for the fun of the answering the question. We cannot comprehend the truth yet. And, at our current level of knowledge, we cannot know if there is or is not a god. And there is no proof for either argument. Therefore I believe that the only reasonable answer to the question of whether there is a god or not is....maybe. Agnosticism is the only thing that seems to make sense to me.

[graymatter]

God was created about the time we evolved with the ability to form abstractions

[Kilo0192]

God can't exist because if he/she did it would be one big contradiction.

I mean he/she knows every decision we will make in our lives right?... Then why does he/she claim to let us decide which route we will take in life? Obviously it is a lie because our decisions would have already been made if he/she knew them all already.

[harris7]

well you might be right but there is no way for anyone to know what happens for sure but what i do know is i am myself as a soul that exists now but what troubles my mind is i have no idea what will happen to my soul when i die even if we disappear forever we still have to be somewhere right?? <<you cannot answer that question only god himself can do that but it doesnt matter because he does not exist in our lives.


This is a difficult Idea for a lot of people, (just death in general) This is what Socrates said on the night before his death, a friend of his came to visit him in â??jailâ?� and offered to break him out. He was on trail basically for practicing philosophy.

He said, (not a quote as it was in Latin, just the jist)

When I die I see two options,
The first is that I enter an endless sleep without dreams
The second is that some part of me will continue on with other dead people (heaven)
Neither of these are undesirable
So why should I fear death

And the next day he was put to death.

Remember he died 400 years before Christ and his idea of the after life is so similarâ?¦

[Spiritual]

God doesn't exist because no being of divinity would create other beings just to kill them and punish them in hell for eternity for the choices that he made for them.

Life and death are both illusions. Everything is just energy. When we die, our energy just becomes something else.

[Crunkk911]

god does not exsist because really, no religion makes enough sense to prove this. most religions that have to do with a god are saying there is some spirit that just created everything, out of nothing at all. as if this entire universe is controlled by a person. and heaven and hell, i dont think ur spirit goes anywhere or anything like that. ur dead, your dead and its the end of you. if there was a heaven or a hell, it would be just a state of mind when you pass away, and thats even if u have a state of mind. i honestly think humans are not the superior race, on earth maybe, but i highly doubt we are the only planet out of the entire universe to ahve life. i have more to say.. im trying to cut it short tho. sorry for havin more than a sentence.. im pretty fucekd up and i would have just suffered for the next 3 hours because i held back my main points.. lol

[Punihehe]

Take a look at the world and theres your answer. god dose not exsist

[chris420]

Your brain is God.

[Eraserhead71]

God DOES exist because our universe has walls.

[Inferius]

God DOES exist because our universe has walls.

Wrong thread dude.
And walls are just what the human mind can identity or percieve.
Yes, our universe "stops" in some manner of physical dimension/perspective, but it continues in other ways. Ways we cannot percieve as of this moment.

[harris7]

Regardless that doesn’t constitute god

[Inferius]

Regardless that doesnâ??t constitute god

I was gonna add that... :stoned: :stoned:

[biff]

this is easy

--God doesnt exist because the earth is only about 25% land and 75% water,.......and man has lungs not gills......the end:thumbsup:

[harris7]

man this is really a mind boggling topic ever since ive read this thread i keep thinking we dont really have souls but then i think thats impossible because i know im here now. and now mr devious has to belive that we fade into the ground well im not beliving anything until it happens.

i kind of suspect that reincarnation is the only answer

you are getting the "mind" mixed up with soul. we have consciences but that doesnâ??t mean we have souls. I dont believe we have a soul in the Christian sense, I might be persuaded to believe in a soul in another sense.

the argument that we have souls which would be energy
and this soul cannot just die when our bodies die because energy cannot "die"
so it must go somewhere, ie heaven

my biggest problem with this is that souls are created for each human. following the above logic they must come from somewhere. So i think this also supports reincarnation rather than heaven.

[Nylo]

God does not exist, because He trancends existance.

Sorry to break the chain, but I feel completely the opposite of how you guys view the world. It's all gravy, though. We're all human, and I respect each and every one of you all the same.

[harris7]

i like the first part, but i'm not so sure about the second. trancending eh

[VOYAGER]

Just like all the research most of us have done to grow our plants, most commenting on this topic should research this subject just as much. Your forgetting were on enemy grounds, satan was sent here. For many generations we have been inbred w/ sin and deception. Leading us to where we are today. Why else was there a predicted end of days in revelation

Bless all of you, we will all meet our maker, or burn in the lake of fire, Your belief decides which one is for you.

[Inferius]

Just like all the research most of us have done to grow our plants, most commenting on this topic should research this subject just as much. Your forgetting were on enemy grounds, satan was sent here. For many generations we have been inbred w/ sin and deception. Leading us to where we are today. Why else was there a predicted end of days in revelation

Bless all of you, we will all meet our maker, or burn in the lake of fire, Your belief decides which one is for you.

Ooooo I'm sooo scared.

[andruejaysin]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. The legends of some goat herders fail that standard.

[Nylo]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. The legends of some goat herders fail that standard.

Goat herders? Wow.

That's like calling Darwin a priest. You're way off, man.

[harris7]

Just like all the research most of us have done to grow our plants, most commenting on this topic should research this subject just as much. Your forgetting were on enemy grounds, satan was sent here. For many generations we have been inbred w/ sin and deception. Leading us to where we are today. Why else was there a predicted end of days in revelation

Bless all of you, we will all meet our maker, or burn in the lake of fire, Your belief decides which one is for you.

Man religious threats are so much better than mine.

Iâ??m like

Donâ??t believe in god or.. or.. or youâ??ll waist a whole bunch of time at church

So there

[Nugget Lover]

Here's a scientific explanation:

God does not exist b/c in 4.5 billion years the earth will not be able to support life b/c the sun will become so hot it will destroy life.

Imagine a galaxy for eternity w/ no life, it's a very hard concept for me to comprehend.

Pot heads are some of the greatest intellectuals of all :-)

[Pokesmot2]

It don't matter what you believe.
If He needs you He'll call you.
and if calls you you'll know it

Exactly!! Peace.:thumbsup:

[Inferius]

^^
This bothers the fucking hell out of me.
It's like telling a child he needs to go to bed at 10 even if he doesn't understand why.
*Sigh*
I'll think of it this way.
You have such faith, you can't even begin to ponder other possibilities or it would shatter your self-serving bullshit propaganda.
It's the most pointless thing to say. Who the fuck cares if you beleive?
This thread isn't about your faith. It's about the rationality/factuality of history, religion, and blind following.
If what you say is indeed true, then why the fuck post it?
If you beleive in it SO much, GAH FUCK THIS

[justinsane]

god does exist as we all do

[Cyclonite]

On the whole soul thing....people have souls. Its electrical energy the body needs to run, you die and that energy is transformed into other energies like heat ect...and that's it.

[harris7]

ya, any anyargument saying that the energy cant stop so it must go on. Well by the same logic that energy must have come from somewhere.

So it is really an argument for reincarnation

[Cyclonite]

But a Human and a mountain goat aren't proportionate regarding the mass. Since their flesh is similar its not the same amount of energy so I guess each time you possessed an animal your capacity to make the animal work would be less and less every time you picked a smaller animal you couldn't go back up.

:stoned:

[harris7]

interesting thoughts. maybe you'd become an entire ant colony

[Hamlet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuXpysYEhgA

[beachguy in thongs]

God exists in this thread! I mean, God does not exist because the weight of water below us, and, the weight of the water above us, would crush us if he did.

[fikusroot]

If by water you mean air and by weight you mean masterbation than yes, we would all die because of masterbation.

[Cage]

Hell, we can't prove beyond a shadow of doubt that anything we see, touch, smell, or hear is real can we? Everything is subjective, as is the thought/belief in God.

You either belive, or not...the "why's" are mere chemical reactions in one's consciousness.

Nothings real, and no one's right/wrong/crazy/delusional/good/evil or anything else...we just is, or Am, or I am, or maybe he is!

Hmmm?

:thumbsup:

[clovisman]

If there was a God would he let George Bush be president? I think not

[greendragon420]

If there is a God, he is a heartless fuck.

[Oneironaut]

God does not exist because if there was a God, he wouldn't be hiding from us and ignoring all our pleas for any kind of objective evidence that he exists; he would make his existence so obvious that nobody could possibly be an atheist.

[Oneironaut]

Just like all the research most of us have done to grow our plants, most commenting on this topic should research this subject just as much. Your forgetting were on enemy grounds, satan was sent here. For many generations we have been inbred w/ sin and deception. Leading us to where we are today. Why else was there a predicted end of days in revelation

Bless all of you, we will all meet our maker, or burn in the lake of fire, Your belief decides which one is for you.

What kind of asshole creates a universe full of people, then refuses to provide any kind of real evidence of his existence, and decides to punish all those who refuse to believe in him and worship him? What an egotistical jerk. And this isn't any routine punishment, it is ETERNAL TORTURE FOR BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. That is the single most immoral thing I could possibly think of. Any God who would create a Hell is not a person I'd want to suck up to. I'd rather retain my dignity and suffer than kiss the ass of a heartless egotistical torture-loving cosmic dictator.

[I AM GOD]

God exists in this thread! .

You have faith child, you will join me in Ganja paradise, The rest of you will burn.

[PdoubleOTY]

All these people say God cannot exist becuase of all the evil in the world....but it really could all just be a part of it.only the faithful and people who live truthful lives will experience heaven...if not, you suffer in hell. Why not take a risk in life in believeing in something that has the potential of eternal rewards?

[Skiing Arab]

I dont believe there is a god, however i do believe that your soul goes on. I believe that we have a choice to rest for iternity or to stick around, watched our loved ones grow old.I have some really deep conversations with mi mum. Im 16 and live at home and u know wat its like when u get stoned. Deep is fun :D. Anyhow she wa telling me about how she believes in gardian angles (not angles but a force or something). and if u want to, you can see them. But they wont show thereselves to you untill your ready. You know when your in bed relaxing and you go deep into your mind, thats when. If you ask and you are truely ready to see them, they will show thereselves. I however am not ready, i know im not, so for now i think is she right?
but one day i will know, im, too young to know yet :P.
I also believe alot of knowledge can be gainedfrom the use of psychadelics.

Crazy i know but its what i believe :)

[Eraserhead71]

god does exist because whatever or whoever made our universe, is god in my book

[delusionsofNORMALity]

god does not exist because i say so and that's enough for me.

[JunkYard]

Hell doesn't exist if you don't want it to.

Oh, it exists...only it is not a literal place, imo. I think hell is the darkest places of the heart, where anger, hate, violence, bitterness, jealousy, and fear breed.

I think the opposite is true with heaven. :D


Much Love,

[Perp]

Gods exists because we exist; we are god.

[ralph420]

god does not exisit because he would kepp all the bud for him and jesus

[apHytHiaTe]

I don't think god exists because the idea of his existence is nearly as implausible as believing in superman... just with a wider support base.

However, saying you've never seen god isn't justification enough, IMO. You'll never see the laws of science, but they are often used to disprove god and supernatural occurrences such as ghosts. If you think faith is too much blind devotion, those of us who claim to be atheists ascribe to faith. I personally think that choosing sides is the result of giving up the intellectual battle for why we really exist. Most likely, I will live most of my life as an agnostic, and chose my side when I am near death.

[GosTo]

Gods exists because we exist; we are god.

one word, no

[Beano]

Because one god says others dont exist.

[smoking habit]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. The legends of some goat herders fail that standard.

HAHAHAHA. cracked me the fuck up.



Why not take a risk in life in believeing in something that has the potential of eternal rewards?

im gona believe that when i take my ten thousandths shit in my life, that it will turn into a neverending pile of purple erkle, BECAUSE IT HAS POTENTIAL FOR ETERNAL REWARDS!!!

why I think so many people act so ignorantly and just blindly follow bullshit. We are told from day one... "IT'S GOOD FOLLOW THIS SHIT NIGGA, ITS RIGHT!" and we dont even really have time to decide for ourselves before our parents sign us up for choir and get us accustomed to church and shit so people just roll with it on the off chance that they get to go to heaven or some shit. I believe religion was created in order for the entrepreneurs of that time to gain power, and instill fear in their people in order to keep them in line, while they rose to power. making them not want to fuck up and face the music when they die.

GUYS LETS FOLLOW THIS REDICULOUS STORY BOOK BULLSHIT THAT YOU WOULD LAUGH AT AND SHIT ON IF IT WASNT SHOVED DOWN YOUR THROAT AS GOOD AND THE THE RIGHT WAY TO GO SINCE YOU WERE BORN..................

and why do creationists have musuems and shit now? and they want their shit taught in shchool! what the fuck? it annoys the fuck out of me that i cant stab every one of them.

MOTHER FUCKER WE WERE'NT AROUND WITH THE FUCKING DINOSAURS, DO YOU HAVE A FUCKING BRAIN? HOW CAN YOU FALL INTO THAT SHIT, JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW RETARDED YOU HAVE TO BE TO FOLLOW THAT SHIT MAKES ME VOMIT.

i saw this guy preaching in borat, the movie, and to the crowd hes like, WE DIDNT EVOLVE FROM NO DAMN MONKEY! I wanted to throw him into a lavapit and tell him yes we fucking did you ignorant fat blob of shit.

And he sais hes gona heal borat of something, and he puts his hand over his face, and borat starts going crazy and like seizuring and shit, and the guys like "THATS GOD" "HES HEALING YOU" and shit like that. ha i hope they saw that movie and realize how much of an ass they look like.

MOTHER FUCKING WOW, SOME IDIOTS.

[nikweiser]

god dosent exist because humans originally evolved from simple organic molecules containing carbon. Energy from the sun, lightning, and earth's heat triggered chemical reactions to produce small organic molecules from substances present in the atmosphere. These molecules were organized by chance into complex organic molecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids that are essential to life.
And proof of this comes from a famous experiment. two American scientists, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey, carried out an experiment in which they attempted to simulate early earth conditions according to evolutionists. They mixed water vapor with ammonia, methane, and hydrogen gases. They then sent an electric current that simulated lightning through the mixture. Then they cooled the mixture of gases, producing a liquid that simulated rain. After a week, they collected the liquid in a flask and analyzed the chemicals therein. They found that three amino acids (amino acids constitute the basic elements of proteins, which are the building blocks of living cells) were synthesized.
:thumbsup:
god does not exist because we have proved evolution.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

God exists and the world is shit because we were given free will and a world to test it.

At least, religious texts would have you believe that is the way to reconcile the "because the world is shit" argument.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

Oh, it exists...only it is not a literal place, imo. I think hell is the darkest places of the heart, where anger, hate, violence, bitterness, jealousy, and fear breed.

I think the opposite is true with heaven. :D


Much Love,

I agree. I believe heaven is where we get to experience joy with God and hell is where we are stuck with only our own company, like the world without hope.

[MastaChronic]

faith is just another word for assuming
i have faith that this message will be read and replied to, but it might not be and i cant prove that it will be but most likely it will be because this thread is a hot topic for discussion.
god doesnt exist becuase it has never been proven and i think that in the 6 thousand years the belief in this god has been in existance people would have found some irefutable, unarguable truth but they havent.
you cannot prove that something doesnt exist because it doesnt exist for you to disprove it.

[braddog100]

God does exist. And, one day, "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

Awsome Hemp, Good to see ya man.

[JackdaWack]

Ive gone to catholic school my entire life, ive read the bible front to back...

You who say he does exist probably have half the information i know.

God does not exist, put simply religions are "faith" something to look to when times are bad, Since the dawn of man we have jumped from one theory to the next, christianity has been around for 2006 years.... the world is billions of years old, so what the fuck took so long... maybe cause its made up.

yeah the big bang is my man.

[braddog100]

Ive gone to catholic school my entire life, ive read the bible front to back...

You who say he does exist probably have half the information i know.

God does not exist, put simply religions are "faith" something to look to when times are bad, Since the dawn of man we have jumped from one theory to the next, christianity has been around for 2006 years.... the world is billions of years old, so what the fuck took so long... maybe cause its made up.

yeah the big bang is my man.

Could it be Catholicism your just pissed At?

[Immolation]

Pass that Shit, The burden of proof is on You.You need to show proof to non believers that god does exist.

I could just as easily say Prove that A Giant blue Smurf does not exist.

Since you cannot disprove it.A Giant blue Smurf must Exist.

[MastaChronic]

Pass that Shit, The burden of proof is on You.You need to show proof to non believers that god does exist.

I could just as easily say Prove that A Giant blue Smurf does not exist.

Since you cannot disprove it.A Giant blue Smurf must Exist.

im not saying god exists, far from it. im just adding onto where you started

something that does not exist cannot be disproven because it doesnt exist for you to disprove it

[Pass That Shit]

Pass that Shit, The burden of proof is on You.You need to show proof to non believers that god does exist.

I could just as easily say Prove that A Giant blue Smurf does not exist.

Since you cannot disprove it.A Giant blue Smurf must Exist.

Ok, so you put your faith in the Giant blue Smurf and I will put mine in God.
And I think you have it wrong. Since I have substance and evidence, it's you that has to prove it wrong.

[braddog10]

I find it very interesting that The Lord did not perform sensational acts to draw attention to himself. He turned away from every opportunity. He performed some sensational acts to heal others, to feed, and times out of necessity. But never in the market place.

Everyone could have easily believed. He has no interest in our intellectual satisfaction, in fact He seems to go out of His way to offend our minds.
It is a heart relationship He desires. The kind of relationships we all really want. Not an intellectual knowledge only hook up, but of one of intimacy and heart.

Forget arguments of proof. One could be argued in then argued out. A relationship is a different level altogether.

Those not believing. . . have you really asked Him if He is real, to please reveal Himself to you.

Satan suggested for Him to throw Himself off the temple (before the crowd). So that ALL would see. He refused. . . I thank God. The example He would have set would have been one where we all (Christians) would have to jump through hoops to prove Him.

Those who Seek Me shall find Me.
Those really interested can inquire.
He will show up.

[mrdevious]

Ok, so you put your faith in the Giant blue Smurf and I will put mine in God.

Both are equally credible. Do you actually see the point behind the blue smurf anology? Anything and everything can be claimed without being able to disprove it, the simple existence of a claim doesn't mean anything.



And I think you have it wrong. Since I have substance and evidence, it's you that has to prove it wrong.

If you have substance an evidence, lets see it. A book and some people making a claim is NOT substance, or evidence. If you're going to claim that a being exists, and this being is not mesurable, observable, or repeatable, then yes the burden of proof still falls on the person making the claim that god DOES exist. It's the same thing if I make the claim that gravitation is guided by trillions of invisible pixies. Gravity is 100% consistent, the planets do indeed orbit in a consistent manner, and my pixie theory therefor fits perfectly with the result. But it's not up to you or anybody to prove me wrong, it's up to ME to prove my pixie theory right.
(and for the love of god don't say "well you go ahead and believe in your pixies....." figure out the logic in the anology for chists sake.... actually I do appreciate god for all the handy expression's he's given us.)

[MastaChronic]

i like pixie sticks. once, in second grade i got a kid to snort one.

[AlwaysBlazed]

God does not exist because god was invented by man.

[mrdevious]

i like pixie sticks. once, in second grade i got a kid to snort one.

How was it for him?....lol

[MastaChronic]

he got a nosebleed and a suspension. they thought it was coke.

[Oneironaut]

I would recommend to all my fellow atheists the new book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. It wittily and clearly explains why there is almost certainly no God. The basic premise is this:

It is illogical to posit an intelligence as the beginning of the universe, because intelligences are complex beings that require an explanation for how the complexity arose. Darwinian natural selection is the only process by which intelligence is known to arise, and the only one we can conceive of. However, this takes incredibly long timeframes to work, so intelligence can only appear late in the universe.

The creationists had it right all along: it is silly to think that complex things can just come out of nowhere by chance. That's why there is no God.

[CaliJay]

God does not exist.... until your spirit is ready for it. The kindest most loving giving, caring spirits or souls or people in history all had focused faith in a loving selfless "God". God is Love.

When our spirits are ready I believe we begin a journey to become part of what we all internally desire...Love. Even if it doesn't happen in this lifetime.

[Rasta jy]

God is the spirit of peace, love and happiness. I see God and feel God all the time. God is everywhere. Unfortunately the Devil Babylon also exists and Babylon is the spirit of war and hate and sadness. Babylon is powerful and has a strong hold on Jah Earth at this time. But the spirit of Jah will eventually win out over the spirit of Babylon.

The herb you enjoy is a gift from Jah. Herb carries with it the spirit of God, the spirit of peace and love and happiness. It allows us to see the trickerations of evil, wicked Babylon because we're more connected to our loving, Godly spirit. Peace and Jah Bless.

"Love is my religion."

Ziggy Marley

"I pledged to work for righteousness. God's given me an inspiration. God is the boss, he tell you what to do.

"Devil make smoking illegal because Devil don't want people thinking one way. My friends feel the same as I when we smoke. We reach one another, you know? Dat's what Babylon afraid of, that people all think the same."

"The more man smoke herb, the more Babylon fall."

Bob Marley

[JackdaWack]

Im not angry at anything, it just makes me upset to see how these "people" want the bible and others things put into perspective. Such as the teachings in sodemy, some villagers see outsider men venture into there city, The men go to a mans home and ask for a place to sleep, while the villagers follow, The villagers knock on this mans door who was gracious enough to let 2 men he didnt even knwo stay at his home. And the villagers say they want to have sex with these men.....WHat?? ok so the home owner says no! these men are guests in my house, you may take my 2 daughters and do what u want with them. Cmon fckin on now, we are tought so much different then this, your daughters? whom are supposed to practice chastity. Its all wrong, and we get messages like dont like same sex marrages be legal. this is Bush's reasons for making same sex marriages illegal...

there isnt even the point of having evidence.
seeing is not beliveing
However if we had an understanding of what the religion really stands for, maybe it would be something we could belive in. With corruption an every day thing now back when these bibles torah's and other books were written they were times of morbid corruption, its all bullshit, i get more understanding in non god belifes, such as the tao te ching, and buddhism.

[JackdaWack]

God is the spirit of peace, love and happiness. I see God and feel God all the time. God is everywhere. Unfortunately the Devil Babylon also exists and Babylon is the spirit of war and hate and sadness. Babylon is powerful and has a strong hold on Jah Earth at this time. But the spirit of Jah will eventually win out over the spirit of Babylon.

The herb you enjoy is a gift from Jah. Herb carries with it the spirit of God, the spirit of peace and love and happiness. It allows us to see the trickerations of evil, wicked Babylon because we're more connected to our loving, Godly spirit. Peace and Jah Bless.

"Love is my religion."

Ziggy Marley

"I pledged to work for righteousness. God's given me an inspiration. God is the boss, he tell you what to do.

"Devil make smoking illegal because Devil don't want people thinking one way. My friends feel the same as I when we smoke. We reach one another, you know? Dat's what Babylon afraid of, that people all think the same."

"The more man smoke herb, the more Babylon fall."

Bob Marley


Im not bashing this, but honestly, you can percive evil and good on anything, and we want to belive in a god, becuase with out the belife there is no consequence in death. If there was no god, and u killed some one, and didnt get caught by authority then its like it never happend.

Religion is not something we need
Morals and values on the other hand, something completely over looked.
I know kids that are very religious, belive in god, and are bastards
I dont belive in god, but that doesnt mean i disregard the morals and values i hold.

[JunkYard]

God is the spirit of peace, love and happiness. I see God and feel God all the time. God is everywhere. Unfortunately the Devil Babylon also exists and Babylon is the spirit of war and hate and sadness. Babylon is powerful and has a strong hold on Jah Earth at this time. But the spirit of Jah will eventually win out over the spirit of Babylon.

The herb you enjoy is a gift from Jah. Herb carries with it the spirit of God, the spirit of peace and love and happiness. It allows us to see the trickerations of evil, wicked Babylon because we're more connected to our loving, Godly spirit. Peace and Jah Bless.

"Love is my religion."

Ziggy Marley

"I pledged to work for righteousness. God's given me an inspiration. God is the boss, he tell you what to do.

"Devil make smoking illegal because Devil don't want people thinking one way. My friends feel the same as I when we smoke. We reach one another, you know? Dat's what Babylon afraid of, that people all think the same."

"The more man smoke herb, the more Babylon fall."

Bob Marley

Did you read the interview hightimes did with Ziggy? I'm totaly with you on this one, God is Love...


Much Love,

[JOINTMASTER5]

god is in our own intellect

[twentysac]

okay. so nobody has answerd the question yet. all i have seen (and sorry but i didn't read the whole thread) are peoples reasons they don't want to believe he exist. because of all the killing in his name, because your life sucks, because i would have bitch slapped him. the answers to why people don't want him to exist are endless. just a little observation here. if the person that believes whole heartedly in God (not the person who just goes to church or whatever every time the doors are open but the person who really believes in God) dies and they are wrond what have they lost? a minute or two out of each day to talk to someone who as i turned out didn't exist (but for most people i think the idea that there is a God is comforting and the fact that they can talk to him probably helps brighten their day) but lets say the person who dosn't believe dies and they are wrong, God isn't gonna be all like "yeah you pretty much fucked up and shit...wanna try that again?" nah pretty much if the non-believer is wrong they end up shit out of luck.

[PureEvil760]

okay. so nobody has answerd the question yet. all i have seen (and sorry but i didn't read the whole thread) are peoples reasons they don't want to believe he exist. because of all the killing in his name, because your life sucks, because i would have bitch slapped him. the answers to why people don't want him to exist are endless. just a little observation here. if the person that believes whole heartedly in God (not the person who just goes to church or whatever every time the doors are open but the person who really believes in God) dies and they are wrond what have they lost? a minute or two out of each day to talk to someone who as i turned out didn't exist (but for most people i think the idea that there is a God is comforting and the fact that they can talk to him probably helps brighten their day) but lets say the person who dosn't believe dies and they are wrong, God isn't gonna be all like "yeah you pretty much fucked up and shit...wanna try that again?" nah pretty much if the non-believer is wrong they end up shit out of luck.

Yea that babbling almost made sence. God does not exist due to the fools that choose ego over the divine.

[d00d557]

Honestly it just seems impossible for out of nowhere for everything to just be created out of nothing. We cannot even begin to describe or fathom God. Our minds are not even close to being able to wrapping our minds around it. Therefore us trying to prove or disprove God is just plain futile. Religion is something created by man, something that I believe is totally pointless. I don't believe God is a being that wants us to worship, and to humor and play along with in order to hopefully achieve the reward of eternal salvation at the end of our lives. As far as all the horrendous shit going on down here on Earth I don't think God wants to interfere, its something we have to do on our own. If we fuck it up, its our problem. One comforting thing is that if God really doesn't exist, the believers haven't really lost anything. If we die and there's nothing after the fact, we won't know it, quick and painless.

[jdmarcus59]

God does not exist becuase god is an Idea, there is no proof of him yet and I doubt there ever will be.

you say you are an actor in sombody else body, you are a living soul
that sombody made

[FreshRollyG]

I seem to look at this topic from a completely different prospective. I'm atheist; I don't in any form or another deny the existence of god. I am open minded and attain no religious beliefs.

What has got me sitting finely on the fence between all you people is I don't fall under any of your 'beliefs' in a sense in the existence of god, I sit completely happy and like you, have no evidence behind it.

I don't really want to get too off topic at all but for those whom are stuck in either faith or denial I'd strongly suggest you people reminiscing any paranormal experiences and basing your OWN 'experiences/knowledge' and try to understand more. Because who is to say what is out there, IS out there?

Before all you people die and jump to any conclusions (even against me about this), I'd suggest you and a few inquisitive people do the Ouija Board.

These things DO work... I'm not egotistic, i'm a Realist; I see for things as I feel towards them based on my knowledge of facts and won't form my opinion until it is 100% proven by these means.

I have never seen a ghost, nor seen anything paranormal, but I have however experienced the Ouija Board. Now, If you can explain why my friends drinking glass effortlessly lifted up off the mantle piece and soon after flew sideways into the wall with undeniable force as nothing out of the extraordinary - you are stupid... It debunks the laws of physics, it shows a different outlook towards what we know and what we claim as real.

All I can say is; if god is real... Out of the thousands of years and all the major claims their have been in the Bible and about God, there has been no form of ANY solid proof for really any of it. For those whom think we just 'die'; in which our existence is that of which we were before we were first born... That could in fact be true, I am not denying that either.

I don't fall under any souls traveling through realms category either... I'm just open minded, and I accept the fact I won't know until I do die, rather than not accepting the fact I won't know and rely on religion or some other 'belief'. And by the looks of this, you could say most people become religious for the fact they deny the fact of no existence.

In conclusion, I strongly believe we will never know till the day we in fact die and we all need to be less egotistical, and ever since my Ouija Board experience, it has opened up my views upon what we all infact do know in this world and that denial is another evil in this world that is making us all live in a blinded world.

If you want to find yourself, it's a journey of 'self' in my opinion... But don't expect anything, but then again.. If none of us do this, we will definitely never know.

Anyways I'm off to smoke a few more and watch Jacob's Ladder :smokin:

[pass_the_dubbie]

God does not exsist because.....
*stares blankely into clouds*
I dunno...I cant finish the sentence...

[Abunai]

god does not exist because if he did, i would have already bitch slapped him.

God does not exist because our brains just arent capable of it. (I would have bitch slap it too)

[Pass That Shit]

God DOES exist, cause just like Jesus, this thread is back from the dead. :thumbsup:

See there's a big difference between you guys claiming that there is no proof, and not believing in the testimony that was left of many different men. It's not that we don't have proof, cause there is more than we need. Since alot of different men have left their testimonies of the LORD, the burden is on you to prove them wrong. You guys are calling all the men (and women) who saw Jesus being put to death and then seen him after he resurrected, liars. What proof do you have that they are lying? So it comes down to the believers sharing what happened to them and the accusers having no proof against them. I've heard the lame counter argument many times. Men wrote the bible to put fear in our hearts right? Then why does the gospel bring joy instead of fear?
You guys have it all wrong. Jesus is the TRUTH.

As I mentioned, with FAITH comes substance and evidence. If you're asking where's my faith? It's in my heart. :hippy:

[OpJ]

I often think of this and the other day in the shower in the morning getting ready for work I was again contemplating it again.

I usually come to this:
Why ask, does god exist?
Instead of:
How and why does the Universe exist?

More importantly:
The creation of it.

Undoubtly there must be a creator.

How can there be no end to the Universe?

If the universe is as massive and never ending as it seems then god is going to have to look real close to notice us. ; )

Human words are not enough to describe the incredible amazing Universe, "a gift" to us as I believe, that we live in.:)

[RyanTheCaveman]

God does not exist because if he did, he would never allow all this killing in his name to continue.

God does not exist because his 'rules' make many good people unhappy (depending on the religion: unallowing divorce, gay marriage, birth control, premarital sex, etc... not to mention persecuting people of other religions eg. pagans back in the day).:mad:

Yes i like this one...btw at the pagan thingy im wiccan right so that makes me wonder about christians :P

[longgonetx]

its just one of those all encompassing mind f's. it not the only one though.
as a scientist we have no firm definition for LIFE. we only have several descriptions of the behavior that living things exhibit and if something exhibits enough of these behaviors it may be considered living. eg, growth, reproduction, energy utilization, etc.

[darth stoner]

God is a human concept, used to make sure people stay in line with assumed social values (no sex before marriage, not getting drunk, etc etc etc). We invented god, not the other way around. What the people who still encourage others to believe in this creature fail to realize is that we don't need a god to be moral.

Who's the better person?
The one who doesn't hurt others because he's good in nature, or
the one who doesn't hurt others because he's afraid of god ?

Who's the moral guy ?
The one who agrees that a murderer who has killed 50 people has the right to be in heaven if a priest forgives his sins, while you should go to hell even if you were a nice person all your life, and your only "sin" was not believing ?

What kind of treacherous god is this ? If he wants people to believe in him, why not just show up ? If he's a benevolent god, why not just create us without the power to do evil ?

Choices, you say ? But if he's an all-knowing being, then he already knows everything you've done, are doing, and will do. So much for free will.

Saying it in one sentence is impossible, there are far too many angles to cover.

[darth stoner]

Undoubtly there must be a creator.

How can there be no end to the Universe?

If the universe is as massive and never ending as it seems then god is going to have to look real close to notice us. ; )

Human words are not enough to describe the incredible amazing Universe, "a gift" to us as I believe, that we live in.:)

What makes you think the universe was made for us ?
Mediocrity principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediocrity_principle)

What makes you think the universe will not end ?
Ultimate fate of the universe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe)

If there is a creator, then who created the creator ? and the creator of the creator ? ad infinitum.

You can't answer that, can you ? No one can. Then, if it's totally unprovable, why do you insist in adding a god to the beginning of it all ? You're simply creating a bigger problem than the one you've started with.

[Pass That Shit]

God is a human concept, used to make sure people stay in line with assumed social values (no sex before marriage, not getting drunk, etc etc etc). We invented god, not the other way around. What the people who still encourage others to believe in this creature fail to realize is that we don't need a god to be moral.

Who's the better person?
The one who doesn't hurt others because he's good in nature, or
the one who doesn't hurt others because he's afraid of god ?

Who's the moral guy ?
The one who agrees that a murderer who has killed 50 people has the right to be in heaven if a priest forgives his sins, while you should go to hell even if you were a nice person all your life, and your only "sin" was not believing ?

What kind of treacherous god is this ? If he wants people to believe in him, why not just show up ? If he's a benevolent god, why not just create us without the power to do evil ?

Choices, you say ? But if he's an all-knowing being, then he already knows everything you've done, are doing, and will do. So much for free will.

Saying it in one sentence is impossible, there are far too many angles to cover.

Why does everyone feel that they are more righteous than God?
I didn't hear you answer any of the questions at hand?
What proof do you have against all those that have left their testimony of the LORD? What proof do you have against Jesus' word?
If you have none, why do you accuse them of lying?

Viva PORTUGAL!!!

[darth stoner]

@Pass That Shit

Why don't you believe in the tooth fairy ? Can you disprove her ? Is the fact that you cannot disprove the tooth fairy a good reason to believe ?

Viva portugal indeed :)

[mrdevious]

Well I personally believe in scientology. What proof do you have that the evil Lord Xenu didn't enslave several alien races? What proof have you against the fact that he threw them into a volcano, then trapped their souls with soul catchers? What proof do you have that those souls weren't then brainwashed and put into the bodies of early humans? And what proof have you that Elron Hubert isn't the reincarnation of Buddha?

[nightlight]

god does not exist because it is sacred.

[bluntblaze]

if there is a god why the fuck did it take him soo long to create the earth. you would think a click of the fingers would be good enough

[dr bigbuds]

you broke a cardinal rule, no god, no govt, and no universe talk while under the influence. But since you already broke it. God does exist because the universe has no end and no begining. Because it has always been and always will be. God put Mary Jane here for us so we wouldnt have to think about this shit. Live life like your life depends on it.

[Oneironaut]

God does exist because the universe has no end and no begining.
How does that make any sense at all? What evidence do you have that the universe has no end and no beginning, and what does that have to do with the existence of God? What is your definition of God, such that this is sufficient evidence to conclude that definition of God exists?

[Pass That Shit]

@Pass That Shit

Why don't you believe in the tooth fairy ? Can you disprove her ? Is the fact that you cannot disprove the tooth fairy a good reason to believe ?

Viva portugal indeed :)

Cause she's not in my heart. No I can't. NO.


But, how can you compare her to Christ? You're insulting alot of people. Even you know that the tooth fairy is not real so what point are you making? Go ahead and believe in the tooth fairy. You should be sharing with us how she came to you and how she changed your life?

[Pass That Shit]

Well I personally believe in scientology. What proof do you have that the evil Lord Xenu didn't enslave several alien races? What proof have you against the fact that he threw them into a volcano, then trapped their souls with soul catchers? What proof do you have that those souls weren't then brainwashed and put into the bodies of early humans? And what proof have you that Elron Hubert isn't the reincarnation of Buddha?

Do you believe with all your heart in these things?

[Jongbong]

God does not exist becuase i don't believe in him.

[Jongbong]

Cause she's not in my heart. No I can't. NO.


But, how can you compare her to Christ? You're insulting alot of people. Even you know that the tooth fairy is not real so what point are you making? Go ahead and believe in the tooth fairy. You should be sharing with us how she came to you and how she changed your life?

the tooth fairy isnt real? :stoned: no......

[darth stoner]

Cause she's not in my heart. No I can't. NO.


But, how can you compare her to Christ? You're insulting alot of people. Even you know that the tooth fairy is not real so what point are you making? Go ahead and believe in the tooth fairy. You should be sharing with us how she came to you and how she changed your life?

How can you compare God to Zeus? I believe in Zeus, because he's in my heart.

C'mon man..

[Pipe Dreams]

Gawd duz nawt Xzist cos aye said so.

[Pass That Shit]

Gawd duz Xzist coz he sA so. :jointsmile:
:hippy:

[Dec. 21 2012]

Why god does not exist.

Because I have a small penis.

[peacetrain]

Because anything else that's unobservable to the senses would be called imaginary.

p.s. probabilities.

[Pass That Shit]

Because anything else that's unobservable to the senses would be called imaginary.

p.s. probabilities.

He's imaginary to you at this point cause you're senses haven't observed him.

[darth stoner]

In related news, both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real, but evading our senses.

[Not An Addict]

God really exists for people who really believe in him, and he really doesn't exist for people who really don't believe in him.

[Pass That Shit]

In related news, both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real, but evading our senses.

I don't celebrate Christmas or Easter. Do you?

__________________________________________________ ______________

I just read "proof the bible is true" thread, and I couldn't believe the outrage. Why the hostility? Why is it so offensive that you get prayed for? If they are doing it with good intentions why hate on them? I think they are wishing something good on you? A christian repeats the words of God. Don't blame the messenger. You keep saying that we shove it in your face. You guys go out of your way to prove God wrong.
Same shit all the time. It will never end. His word lives on.
And for the record, I have never prayed for any one of you. PEACE:hippy:

[passitplz]

God will love you all no matter what you guys/gals say :D ...

so why do all u christians tell me that im goin to hell when i tell u my beleifs... that is the way my brain works so if god is such a dick that he would send me to hell for something i cant control thats just fucked up... think about that one

[peacetrain]

The amount something exists has nothing to do with how much you believe in it. Just like how much I believe in electricity, space, and my couch wouldn't affect their existence.

I understand where you're coming from, I used to be an evangelical born-again Christian. But when I really started thinking for myself and realize there very probably wasn't a God, and that was a long process, I was actually kind of angry. Mad at the Church for lying to me and mad at the general public for supporting me being lied to about even the most basic facts of life.

Hey, Maybe some humans need a God. But if it's required for us to have an imaginary friend to be happy and have something to live for, I wish it were an imaginary friend that were nicer and inspired less judgement & hatred between other faiths. And didn't threaten you with eternal hellfire :)

[passitplz]

The amount something exists has nothing to do with how much you believe in it. Just like how much I believe in electricity, space, and my couch wouldn't affect their existence.

I understand where you're coming from, I used to be an evangelical born-again Christian. But when I really started thinking for myself and realize there almost probably wasn't any God, and that was a long process, I was actually kind of angry. Mad at the Church for lying to me and mad at the general public for supporting me being lied to about even the most basic facts of life.

Hey, Maybe some humans need a God. But if it's required for us to have an imaginary friend to be happy and have something to live for, I wish it were an imaginary friend that were nicer and inspired less judgement & hatred between other faiths. And didn't threaten you with eternal hellfire :)

yea but humans made it that way. and i dont beleive in him but dont get me wrong... hes a good thing. many people need to beleive in god and if everyone was atheist as i am that doesnt neccesarily mean the world would be better. im sure religion scaring people keeps a lot of bad things from happening.

[PureEvil760]

In related news, both Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real, but evading our senses.

That may not be too far from the truth, never looked into but there are many "thoughtform entities" which thrive in the astral realm. Like Zues the Greek God acctually exists due to the faith put into his existence. As well as Gnomes, Dwarves, Fairies, Giants ect. They exist in different partitions of the astral plane which has I believe 7 main layers, 7 sub layers and 7 sub-sub layers. I'm basing that off of a book I read years ago..Anyway Santaclaus and the Easterbunny may also exist in the astral realm due to millions of kids who believe in them. All the combined thoughts create a whole new consiousness that then may do what it wants to within the parameters of the thoughts given. In the end, none of them are acctually "Real" but thoughtforms definatly appear to be real spiritual beings.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Why does everyone feel that they are more righteous than God?
I didn't hear you answer any of the questions at hand?
What proof do you have against all those that have left their testimony of the LORD? What proof do you have against Jesus' word?
If you have none, why do you accuse them of lying?

Viva PORTUGAL!!!I have more proof that the tooth fairy and santa claus exist. I got money for my teeth and presents under my tree. Are you calling my parents liars? Their parents? You think you're above the Tooth Fairy? You think GOD is above SANTA CLAUS?

I'm leaving YOU my testimony, unequivocal and undeniable as *proof* that Both SANTA and the TOOTHFAIRY actually exist, as I have experienced them. Therefore, you, using your own logic, if you do not believe these facts, you are calling me, and my entire family tree, liars. As such, it is upon you to disprove their existence.

[jessem98]

Well I personally believe in scientology. What proof do you have that the evil Lord Xenu didn't enslave several alien races? What proof have you against the fact that he threw them into a volcano, then trapped their souls with soul catchers? What proof do you have that those souls weren't then brainwashed and put into the bodies of early humans? And what proof have you that Elron Hubert isn't the reincarnation of Buddha?

no offense to you good sir, but i have just lost all/any respect i ever had for you. It is in my opinion that Scientology is a mockery of religion, and a money making scheme. I am not trying to flame, i am just posting my THOUGHTS on the subject.

[FreeVenice]

God doesn't exist because that would meen he let The Holocaust, a A-bomb, Trail of Tears, ect. exist. (lol, be way longer but I'm high).

He could of stopped it with a flick of a wrist, so to speak.

[ConfusedCannabisGuy]

God exists because humans need a higher power to belive in.

It might not make sense to you but im sure some of u will understand it.

[Cornelius]

look arguing about god's existence will never get anyone anywhere. You cannot prove or disprove god, and I think Dawkins is a moron for trying.

It is always and will forever be about faith. FAITH. either you believe in god or you don't. all the arguing in the world will never change that.

but whatever, religion discussions pass the time and make us all feel smarter.

-p

[indicagrower]

Ya'll need to educate yourselfs before talking about this kinda thing..God does not send you to hell..you send yourself by not living a god fearing life and not getting saved by the grace of god..God gave us temtations to resist not to say well he put it here for us to use..we all have freedom of choice..people wan't just say i don't believe in god they have to get all well if there was a god then he wouldn't allow suffering and all other horrible things to happen..Man (adam & eve) made the choice not to obey god and live in paradice..They had to have the forbiden fruit..

[Hardcore Newbie]

Ya'll need to educate yourselfs before talking about this kinda thing..God does not send you to hell..you send yourself by not living a god fearing life and not getting saved by the grace of god..God gave us temtations to resist not to say well he put it here for us to use..we all have freedom of choice..people wan't just say i don't believe in god they have to get all well if there was a god then he wouldn't allow suffering and all other horrible things to happen..Man (adam & eve) made the choice not to obey god and live in paradice..They had to have the forbiden fruit..So we're being punished for what our forefathers did? Doesn't seem too fair. Being given temptations without being given any real knowledge at all, and then being punished for giving into those temptations is a pretty dirty trick too.

[anandamide]

look arguing about god's existence will never get anyone anywhere. You cannot prove or disprove god, and I think Dawkins is a moron for trying.

Richard Dawkins isn't trying to prove that god doesn't exist. He's saying there is no good evidence for the existence of a god or gods. There is no way to prove that an invisible deity doesn't exist.



It is always and will forever be about faith. FAITH. either you believe in god or you don't. all the arguing in the world will never change that.

Right. And faith = believing something to be true without good evidence. But I have to say that most of my atheist friends were raised religious, so arguing (and thinking) did help them at some point in their life.



but whatever, religion discussions pass the time and make us all feel smarter.

-p
They make me realize how many of my fellow Homo sapiens aren't capable of critical thinking when it comes to religion. In every other aspect of their lives, they are capable of reasoning, but not when it comes to religion.

Also, it's amazing how it's no big deal to be an atheist in Europe. Some people are believers (but don't push it on others), and the people who don't believe aren't looked upon as freaks. But here in the US, I'm a member of a 3 - 5% minority, and some people think I'm some kind of a devil worshiper for not believing in deities.

[Bong ripper420]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.


I agree 100% there is a god. we might be able to see him. but if there isnt god how did we get here, is the bible all true no, but god does exist.

[themanwhoinventedmeh]

What is God?

[couch-potato]

If you believe in a higher power that is fine... but to believe in ANY organized religion that is out there today qualifies you as a delusional bigot.

(I am serious.)

Edit: To anyone in this thread discussing Richard Dawkins, my signature sums it very well.

[Staurm]

I don't want to take part, I am scared in case he does exist and damns me to eternal suffering for saying he doesn't, I'll show that cocky little new-age hippy who's in charge, he'll say.

[Pass That Shit]

"What is God?"

God is the LORD. The Lord is the king. The King is the ruler of the whole Earth. The government will be on his shoulders.
He will reign in Jerusalem.

If there was no God, you would have no spirit nor would you have come into being. His breath is the spirit of Life. It's supernatural.
God is a superhero.

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If you believe in a higher power that is fine... but to believe in ANY organized religion that is out there today qualifies you as a delusional bigot.

(I am serious.)

Edit: To anyone in this thread discussing Richard Dawkins, my signature sums it very well.

I agree about organized religion. I think it's satan at his finest. But the church is one. And it is organized by God.
He is the head of the body. Is being a bigot a bad thing? If you're rooted and grounded in truth, why would you be open to fables?

[Staurm]

His breath is the spirit of Life. It's supernatural.


Round here we call that stuff air...

Never tried in inhaling God, sounds kind of dusty.

[Pass That Shit]

Round here we call that stuff air...

Never tried in inhaling God, sounds kind of dusty.

I wasn't referring to the air we breathe. I was talking about our spirit. His breath gave us life.
A baby already has a spirit before it can inhale polluted outside air.

Try inhaling some good weed, it's alot less dusty. :jointsmile:

[superargo]

There was no reason for god to continue to exist after he wrote the code - if he ever existed at all.

[Staurm]

I wasn't referring to the air we breathe. I was talking about our spirit. His breath gave us life.
A baby already has a spirit before it can inhale polluted outside air.

Try inhaling some good weed, it's alot less dusty. :jointsmile:

Yeah but what we call spirit nowadays, people used to call air, or breath.

[themanwhoinventedmeh]

Define your own god, then do what you will?

[couch-potato]

Is being a bigot a bad thing? If you're rooted and grounded in truth, why would you be open to fables?


I am utterly speechless... the irony!

[medmj&lt;3er]

Those who insist that there is absolutely no possibility of there being a god or any supernatural entity are, to me, guilty of the same kind of conceit as those who claim that a male God created the universe in six days and rested on the seventh: we barely understand our own planet, so who are any of us to say with 100% surety what is or isn't true in the universe? Nevertheless, though I identify as an agnostic, I'd tend towards atheism if pushed (though I'd bet that has a lot to do with growing up UU in Texas).

Here's what matters: I would never want to worship a god who would send a bad believer to heaven over a good skeptic (which is the evangelical party line). When you get right down to it, most religions have at their basis the philosophy of being kind to others and thankful for what's good in life. Why doesn't God exist? Because he doesn't need to. We could do just fine on our own, if we didn't create a need for him.

[wendimama]

God does not exist becasue Paris Hilton exists

[Pass That Shit]

"Here's what matters: I would never want to worship a god who would send a bad believer to heaven over a good skeptic
(which is the evangelical party line)."

What makes you more righteous than God? Who is good? You're the one who knows who is good and who is evil right? If you created the heaven and the earth, we would follow your rules. I'm sure some will bow and worship him unwillingly, cause every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. To his face!!!

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Paris Hilton. LOL :1baa:

[Hardcore Newbie]

"Here's what matters: I would never want to worship a god who would send a bad believer to heaven over a good skeptic
(which is the evangelical party line)."

What makes you more righteous than God? Who is good? You're the one who knows who is good and who is evil right? If you created the heaven and the earth, we would follow your rules. I'm sure some will bow and worship him unwillingly, cause every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is LORD. To his face!!!

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Paris Hilton. LOL :1baa:Hey, how long would it take to even come face to face with every person in the world? Forget that, how long would it take to even see every person in the world, even from a distance? I hope he doesn't get bored for a few hundred years, hearing the same thing over and over. He'd probably try to speed up the process "yadda yadda yadda, I KNOW. I am Lord, heard that one ohhhhhh.... 2.5 Billion times"

[the304]

God does not exist because if he did, Christians would not make up stupid ass excuses such as "Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation*) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects"...

That sentence is incompatible with logic and science.

*I call it science

[Hardcore Newbie]

Well if there is a heaven and Jesus resides there, and it is "above" the earth so to speak then if he has a telescope he could see everybody within a year, I never knew he was such a peeping tom though...I guess so, it doesn't say anything specifically stating "physically" face to face :P

[peacetrain]

"permanently beyond our comprehension" = non-existent

[PharmaCan]

The greatest hoax, and greatest evil, that has ever been bestowed upon mankind is religion.

[Guitarman88]

God exists because humans need a higher power to belive in.

It might not make sense to you but im sure some of u will understand it.



No I completely understand. Same goes with humans created gods. The idea of a higher power is what cultures use to guide themselves in a rightgeous path.


Im in no way shape or form religious, although ive been brought up to believe in god.



theres my 2 cents.

[GDS StonerBoy]

play a wigi board (excuse my spelling) once in your life and you'll know that their is some life after death!

[sam44]

"Any religion or philosiphy that offers a final answer MUST be wrong."

--Terence McKenna

[Maggz]

Reason God exists in 3 letters.

THC

:)

[mrdevious]

I think "god" is a primitive concept invented by primitive people to make thunder, life, oceans and panda bears explainable with an invisible giant in the sky, a diety. We need to stop studying god, and start studying reality. I think it's even arguable that the very fabric and nature of reality, the energetic potential, is the same thing as god. All existence is god, consciousness is the conscious god. But the very word, GOD, was originally designed to referrence primitive notions of egotistical dieties, and I think it's time we move past that.

[afghooey]

I think "god" is a primitive concept invented by primitive people to make thunder, life, oceans and panda bears explainable with an invisible giant in the sky, a diety. We need to stop studying god, and start studying reality. I think it's even arguable that the very fabric and nature of reality, the energetic potential, is the same thing as god. All existence is god, consciousness is the conscious god. But the very word, GOD, was originally designed to referrence primitive notions of egotistical dieties, and I think it's time we move past that.


This is pretty accurate to my view of God as well. I always smile when people mention a 'supernatural' God. To me, nothing is more natural than God.

[Pass That Shit]

[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

"It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

[Marco0172255]

i think god does exist

its hard to beileve a fukin cell blew up and made every thing

i cam from dirt???????fuk that gods real

[GraziLovesMary]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

Exactly. I would be interested to hear your version of what the truth might be, it sounds like it could be along the same lines as how I view things.

[deannadreamer]

God does not exist because if he did, he would never allow all this killing in his name to continue.

God does not exist because his 'rules' make many good people unhappy (depending on the religion: unallowing divorce, gay marriage, birth control, premarital sex, etc... not to mention persecuting people of other religions eg. pagans back in the day).:mad:


A lot of people have posted things similar to this. It just doesn't make sence because we can't talk
about God without talking about Satan.(I know some said something about him earlier) Imagine how much it pains
God that we do all these evil things.He wants to show us his love so bad,and he tries so hard but it's so hard
to show us things, outwardly on this earth, when this earth is also controled by Satan. They are both powerful forces. (but to think about how God
created Lucifer is a bit contradictory to this in my mind.)


to say that is to confuse GOD with MAN'S GOD. Mans God is
much different from the real God. God is not a he or a she, God is ideas and beliefs. God is a solid Faith.
a value for a life. A reason to live life, to have morals. God is individual to every person. People think
of God too narrowly. God can be so many things. God is in the molecules and proteins and amino blah blah. He is
omnicent.God is also one, a single thing, a single belief. A combining force that drives people together.
He is so many different things. That is the definition of omnicent.



Anyone ever seen Dogma? That Kevin Smith is a smart guy!



Yeah... thats's what I think.

[RedRainDrop]

We are god.

Every Plant, bird, drop of water is God. The universe is all interconnected in some way or another. Nature works together to thrive, and so do the animals within this nature. My beleif is that all matter is god, and that god is the universe, and everything within it.

Makes the most sense out of any theory I've heard. It's almost as if we are the blood cells of god, just like when we look through a microscope, thats what we are to god. We Are God. In an infinite loop of organisms.

[PureEvil760]

Because you touch yourself at night.

[fsunoles]

for all of u people who don't believein GOD just kill yourself and end this life of suffering,pain, ad torture then.Why continue to go on with life if their is no hell just take your final nap then.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Uh, because this *may* be the only life we have, so we should cherish it? Just a thought.

[Nation_1ne]

He could exist, I'm not a religious follower. Although, I do like the concept of going somewhere perfect after death. Perfect, not as in no flaws, perfect as in my own perfection. If there is nothing, well I'll never know any different. However this thought is a lot more daunting.

[Darth Vapor]

The existence to believe in a god or gods, is a choice. It has nothing to do if It or They actually do exist.

I believe that what ever started existence, did so, and has been "hands off", since then. It explains away the thought of, "If God existed, there wouldn't be all this suffering."

God/the Gods created... nothing more, nothing less.

I came from my parents. They came from theirs, and they came from theirs, etc. This chain of creation cannot go back in time/evolution forever. There has to be a point, where you come to a being that is outside of time and space, and therefore, did not need to be created by anything. That being is God, or whatever term you want to use for It.

It cannot create a being or thing as perfect as itself, or it would just be creating a copy of itself. It had to create a universe with flaws, so that it could be differentiated from God, itself. That's why children sometimes get cancer, and assholes sometimes live long and fruitful lives. There is no such thing as a "miracle". A miracle would infer that God interfered, in some way, with the natural course of the existence it created, and would show favoritism, which in my opinion, showing favoritism is not a trait of a perfect being.

God gave Free Will to man, but I find that to be a very arrogant and short-sighted phrase. I believe God created Free Will for the Universe. It created a "thing", (the Universe), with a very special purpose. It created the Universe, to give birth to randomness. That's not to say there isn't order, though. But just like Good needs Evil, so that it can be defined, Order needs Randomness, to be able to be seen and defined.

[Darth Vapor]

"Any religion or philosiphy that offers a final answer MUST be wrong."

--Terence McKenna

"Only a Sith, deals in absolutes."

-- Obi-Wan Kenobi


P.S.
That guy was a dick.


In all seriousness, does anyone else notice that the sentence, "Any religion or philosophy that offers a final answer, MUST be wrong," is, in itself, a 'final answer' philosophy? It uses the word 'MUST', and therefore, contradicts itself. Just thought that was kinda funny.

[couch-potato]

its hard to beileve a fukin cell blew up and made every thing

i cam from dirt???????fuk that gods real


You are the definition of bigotry. I feel stupider just by reading this.

[Oh My High]

Why God does not exist, in one sentence.The question of god is a claim of existence and thereby therein lies the burden of proof upon the believers and not the non-believers; non-believers don't need to prove anything; thus with the failed burden of proof the claim is hereby forever hereafter denied.

[MajMike]

One could look at that the other way as well, in that the majority of humans believe in some sort of higher power. As non-believers are in the minority it is they who must prove the majority wrong.

Of course, neither of them can prove or disprove anything

[CannabisHappiness]

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Because there's no room for him.
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[Gandalf_The_Grey]

The question of god is a claim of existence and thereby therein lies the burden of proof upon the believers and not the non-believers; non-believers don't need to prove anything; thus with the failed burden of proof the claim is hereby forever hereafter denied.

jeez, no offense man but you win 1st place for the linguistic redundancy award. :wtf:

[Oh My High]

One could look at that the other way as well, in that the majority of humans believe in some sort of higher power. As non-believers are in the minority it is they who must prove the majority wrong.

Of course, neither of them can prove or disprove anything
I disagree. "god" is testable. Pick a deity, define it, and put it in empirical trial. For instance, the Christian god clearly doesn't exist and same with Thor, Ra, and the thousands of Hindu gods. Of course, then, you might counter-argue in favor for an ambiguous, panatheistic, "everything is god" "the universe is god" perspective which commonly is attributed to Einstein's sense of the word. If so, then you really wouldn't be saying anything at all. Most people don't actually believe in god, they believe in believing in god, they only use the word as protective coloration, as Steven Weinberg was fond of saying.

[basketball100000]

Why god does exist..
Satan lives on earth and God lives in heaven thats why. Are spirt/soul came from God and will not die.

Satan corrupts people thats the reason for bad things on earth and u prove the test by living with love and peace.

Im sure people 2000 years ago didnt belive someone can fly out to space.

[psteve]

What am I, god's apologist????
Let him explain his own damn non existence!!!

[Q-tha-cannabis-king]

i love all the nihilistic people, it really is sad that they're are some people who think they can try to put reason into something that is higher than reason. All there is to it is..............God is real............ thats it....it says that u cant put logic with it, because logic is a human characteristic.......if u can put anything in faith, this would be it, becuase there will never be any explanation for it.

[~ Kuroi ~]

God does not exist, if he did, he'd have the sense to turn people away from things that he denotes from doing in the bible... he is all powerful according to the bible, right?

~ Kuroi ~

[peacetrain]

i love all the nihilistic people, it really is sad that they're are some people who think they can try to put reason into something that is higher than reason. All there is to it is..............God is real............ thats it....it says that u cant put logic with it, because logic is a human characteristic.......if u can put anything in faith, this would be it, becuase there will never be any explanation for it.

Why does logic immediately equal nihilism? I know this probably won't change your mind about anything because, let's face it, these threads never do, but faith is just a human quality as logic. Here in America, faith is more present in humans than logic, anyways. God himself almost always has human characterstics, either in physicality, personality, and emotions. Satan too for that matter.

I think this whole religious debate stuff is actually an argument about logic vs. faith. I think even the most religious people have strong doubts about God. I know I did, even when I was religious. But if faith is seen as more important than logic, it doesn't seem to matter. Everything we know about God is just an idea...cause God certainly hasn't come down from the heavens and decreed anything yet. I'm waiting.

[PureEvil760]

What I dont get is why sceptics always feel the need to argue with believers..if you dont believe then why do you have to get in the way of those with faith? Why are you even on the "SPIRITUALITY" section if you dont believe? It doesnt make sence, but one thing is for sure theres some self-ego stroking going on with the sceptics here, its pretty pathetic. If you want to learn truth, go for it, if you dont then your just part of another's test.

I have seen many sceptics turn into believers, I have never seen a believer turn into a sceptic. I believe it is the believers that have no proof that sceptics dont like..but to me they really are the same type of people.

[PureEvil760]

God does not exist, if he did, he'd have the sense to turn people away from things that he denotes from doing in the bible... he is all powerful according to the bible, right?

~ Kuroi ~

Yes you are all powerfull, why are you ignoring it?

[smoking habit]

Why are you even on the "SPIRITUALITY" section if you dont believe? It doesnt make sence, but one thing is for sure theres some self-ego stroking going on with the sceptics here, its pretty pathetic. If you want to learn truth, go for it, if you dont then your just part of another's test.


it makes 'sence' because religion is a fucked up lie which constantly causes destruction, and they're just trying to help. ha.

[Hardcore Newbie]

What I dont get is why sceptics always feel the need to argue with believers..if you dont believe then why do you have to get in the way of those with faith?
I love arguing about spirituality, as long as it's a good hearted argument and not filled with insults and the like.The need exists because it opens up dialogue, and dialogue is generally a way of entertainment and enlightenment. No one ever requires you to reply if it against your wishes.


Why are you even on the "SPIRITUALITY" section if you dont believe?
I'm not a politician, but I do enjoy the politics board. I post in sexuality and relationships, even when I get dumped and I'm not getting laid, sometimes even in women's issues, and I'm a guy!


I have seen many sceptics turn into believers, I have never seen a believer turn into a sceptic. I believe it is the believers that have no proof that sceptics dont like..but to me they really are the same type of people.

Many skeptics start out as believers, myself included. So if you're just commenting on what you'ev observed, that's fine, but if you're applying an observation to society as a whole, that's a different matter.

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

"god does not exist because ____ happened"

udk what he HAS stopped from happening so...

[MajMike]

The Universe is as God made it, but it now runs under the laws of nature He ascribed, without constant interference.

What God seeks to change now is us, and how we react to the trials we all face in the existence He has given us. How do we help our fellow man when hard times come? Do we live out the beliefs we say we hold?

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

Are we willing to give all in the defense of our beliefs and loved ones?

"If man hasn't discovered something that he will die for, he isn't fit to live.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

Now, can God change things if He wants too? Of course, or else He is not God. But without experiencing pain/loss/suffering how can we fully understand and appreciate love/happiness/mercy?

[JaMakin07]

in nature there has never been an instance of something happeneing from nothing, something always causes something else, so in that snese i guess it had to be god that was the catalyst for existence

[PureEvil760]

Many skeptics start out as believers, myself included. So if you're just commenting on what you'ev observed, that's fine, but if you're applying an observation to society as a whole, that's a different matter.

Society on the whole is completely fucked soley because of the absence of God. As the number of people that discover the truth rise, the people living in ignorance will decline. The power of the truth will suffocate and eventually destroy everyone living in falsity..of course you dont believe me, so we'll just have to wait 20 years.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

PureEvil, the most "fucked" examples of societies are those who were ruled by "God", ie. the middle ages and sharia-law nations. I know that's not your (or many's) view of god, but that's why you can't make such a blanket statement that societies are fucked because of a lack of god. Again and again we've tried to rule by god, and every time it destroyed cultures.

It is not necessary to call an ideal, philosophy, or state of mind "God" for it to work out. It saddens me that so many believe that without god, you can't have spirituality or enlightened thinking.

[onequestion]

God does not exist because his benevolence and omnipotence are compatible because if it were true, his love for us would fore him to use his power to make the world a peaceul place.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Society on the whole is completely fucked soley because of the absence of God. As the number of people that discover the truth rise, the people living in ignorance will decline. The power of the truth will suffocate and eventually destroy everyone living in falsity..of course you dont believe me, so we'll just have to wait 20 years.
And in 20 years, what happens?

[cannabis campbell]

Because we have helpless women, babies little kids getting raped, thats just not fucking right.

[PureEvil760]

PureEvil, the most "fucked" examples of societies are those who were ruled by "God", ie. the middle ages and sharia-law nations. I know that's not your (or many's) view of god, but that's why you can't make such a blanket statement that societies are fucked because of a lack of god. Again and again we've tried to rule by god, and every time it destroyed cultures.

It is not necessary to call an ideal, philosophy, or state of mind "God" for it to work out. It saddens me that so many believe that without god, you can't have spirituality or enlightened thinking.

I understand what your saying, but im saying truely following god not any religeon..there is a major difference.

[PureEvil760]

It is not necessary to call an ideal, philosophy, or state of mind "God" for it to work out. It saddens me that so many believe that without god, you can't have spirituality or enlightened thinking.

Yup, sad but true. minus the belief part.

[Quincyboy]

god dosent exist because humans originally evolved from simple organic molecules containing carbon. Energy from the sun, lightning, and earth's heat triggered chemical reactions to produce small organic molecules from substances present in the atmosphere. These molecules were organized by chance into complex organic molecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, and nucleic acids that are essential to life.
And proof of this comes from a famous experiment. two American scientists, Stanley Miller and Harold Urey, carried out an experiment in which they attempted to simulate early earth conditions according to evolutionists. They mixed water vapor with ammonia, methane, and hydrogen gases. They then sent an electric current that simulated lightning through the mixture. Then they cooled the mixture of gases, producing a liquid that simulated rain. After a week, they collected the liquid in a flask and analyzed the chemicals therein. They found that three amino acids (amino acids constitute the basic elements of proteins, which are the building blocks of living cells) were synthesized.

that expirement was inconclusive

[MajMike]

Onequestion

You said that God's love would make Him protect and help us thereby preventing pain and suffering, but you underestimate His love I think.

If we do not experience all that existence 'is' then how can we progress towards Him? To fully comprehend happiness/love/friendship and all the other wonderful things He made, we must understand their opposites.

I love my daughter and want to spare her from anything bad that I can, but if I do so then I rob her of much of the fullness of life. I try and teach her right from wrong, and how to think critically and make good decisions, but in the end her life is up to her (as it should be).

The same is true of us, there must be an opposite in all things.

Lastly, we often learn a lot more from suffering that we do from happiness.

Just my $0.02. Peace.

[BeatlesRGod]

god was invented to explain things no one could with available technology, which is why things slowly were taken as metaphors when science easily disproved religion/god.

[Pass That Shit]

Can you tell us how science easily disproves God?
There's nothing easy about proving/disproving God. ;)

[wholapola]

Unconditionally, I believe in God.

[defintion10]

if you look at the power of life to the power of no-life i actually like the fact of some supernatural being delivering my presence rather then 2 rocks sparking and giving me life (a quick summary kinda)

[thoughtwriter]

I believe 'god' is a term for the creation of space, stars, planet etc....
I think it's the fact that there IS a higher power, whether it be god or science, or mother nature.....knowing that you are not in charge of everything, not even your own exsistance.

[KayaKanadian]

I dont think God or Satan exist because theres no angels in the clouds and pissed off guys with pitchforks in the middle of the earth. Although the second one is plausible... :wtf3:

[BeatlesRGod]

Can you tell us how science easily disproves God?
There's nothing easy about proving/disproving God. ;)

I don't really care about this subject, so I'm not going to spend much time on it, but here's a couple things:
1. The whole Noah's arc thing makes 0 sense. What did the animals eat? What did Noah eat? How the fuck did he build an arc big enough to store 2 of every animal?

2. The bible claims the earth is 7,000 yrs. old (or something like that). Carbon dating and fossils (as well as other things) disprove that.

3. Evolution disproves creationism, as there is PHYSICAL EVIDENCE backing evolution, and a really old book backing creation.

But believe god and the bible blindly. There's no evidence supporting anything important in religion, but someone wrote a book about it and convinced a lot of people so it must be true. Also, just because something can be proved physically doesn't mean its actually real, right? Maybe it's just the devil doing his work.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Well, it seems your theory is that an Xian God cannot exist, but that does not conclude that there is no God, god, Lord, lord, deity, supreme being, higher power, greater intelligence..... yadda yadda.

It is impossible to disprove the existence of a single or many gods.

yes, Noah's arc is a dumb story in my opinion. But it can be defended, easily, as can your other points.

1. God gave Noah and all the animals energy and strength to survive, and back in the day there really weren't that many animals, sp it wasn't hard to store them all.

2. Carbon dating is a trick from the devil to keep you away from the bible. God allows this as God knows that his true believers will not be swayed (by anything, ever).

3. God created the first microscopic beings, which evolved into higher forms.

Your friendly neighborhood agnostic ;)

[BeatlesRGod]

But the bible says god created adam and eve, and we have scientific evidence that we have evolved from other beings. The bible doesn't say we have evolved from microscopic organisms put on earth by god. I'm going by things stated in the bible and commonly believed. It doesn't say that god gave everything strength and energy to survive. Of course you can make up random bullshit about anything proving religion wrong, saying "it's the devil" or "god did this magical thing." It's impossible to prove something undetectable doesn't exist. Btw, there's a giant lobster living in your room, and it follows you around wherever you go. This lobster is actually what created everything and is the real god. Oh, and you can't see it, smell it, touch it, hear it, or have anyone of knowing it really exists, but I'm telling you it does. Prove me wrong, I dare you to. All this b.s. about some other god making a bible and having some guy build an arc is lies made up by by the devil, and millions got sucked into it. You are therefore all going to hell. Once again, try proving me wrong.

[AustinMan]

99 Percent of all animal's are extinct according to some science I read. So I would say Noah did a shity ass job =D

[JaMakin07]

its so easy to sit back in our own beliefs ,trying to defend them but im just confused, i believe in god like religion makes sense but at the same time agnoticism makes sense to it would explain a hell of alot if god existed, but it would make just as much sense if he didnt idk im just lost but im to young to really give a shit

[BeatlesRGod]

99 Percent of all animal's are extinct according to some science I read. So I would say Noah did a shity ass job =D
cuz he was a lazy stoner, and that's a fact

[Hardcore Newbie]

But the bible says god created adam and eve, and we have scientific evidence that we have evolved from other beings. The bible doesn't say we have evolved from microscopic organisms put on earth by god. I'm going by things stated in the bible and commonly believed. It doesn't say that god gave everything strength and energy to survive. Of course you can make up random bullshit about anything proving religion wrong, saying "it's the devil" or "god did this magical thing." It's impossible to prove something undetectable doesn't exist. Btw, there's a giant lobster living in your room, and it follows you around wherever you go. This lobster is actually what created everything and is the real god. Oh, and you can't see it, smell it, touch it, hear it, or have anyone of knowing it really exists, but I'm telling you it does. Prove me wrong, I dare you to. All this b.s. about some other god making a bible and having some guy build an arc is lies made up by by the devil, and millions got sucked into it. You are therefore all going to hell. Once again, try proving me wrong.Maybe God created life on earth, it evolved, and just as humans were about to be the next step in evolution, God then created Adam and Eve.

I'm not here to prove you wrong, I don't believe in god myself, I'm just saying there's no way to disprove god, as you're acknowledging. But if I truly believed in God, then I wouldn't be making up "random bullshit", I'd be attempting to justify my beliefs. A book with a finite amount of space can't possibly explain an infinite amount of possibilities.

[Not Enough Herb]

i think god doesnt exist because he was created by the people of oldtimes as a method of scaring people into doing good. if your good, god rewards you, if your bad good punishes you. the thought of a super powerful being whoopin your ass doesnt sound that attractive and is even kinda scary.


God cannot exist because if she did, she would by definition be an absolute.

And there are no absolutes. Well, except that one I suppose. Or... shucks.


"she" ....lmao....awww thats cute.

[BeatlesRGod]

Maybe God created life on earth, it evolved, and just as humans were about to be the next step in evolution, God then created Adam and Eve.

I'm not here to prove you wrong, I don't believe in god myself, I'm just saying there's no way to disprove god, as you're acknowledging. But if I truly believed in God, then I wouldn't be making up "random bullshit", I'd be attempting to justify my beliefs. A book with a finite amount of space can't possibly explain an infinite amount of possibilities.

I understand, and wasn't trying to attack you personally. I was just trying to state how ridiculous the notion of a god and religion is.

[BoilerUp]

Because it takes longer than a sentence to explain why God would exist.

[bhouncy]

God doesn't exist because I created the universe and I'm not a god.

[thoughtwriter]

god is an outerspace scientist with a huge marble playing addition
lol

[Pass That Shit]

I don't really care about this subject, so I'm not going to spend much time on it, but here's a couple things:
1. The whole Noah's arc thing makes 0 sense. What did the animals eat? What did Noah eat? How the fuck did he build an arc big enough to store 2 of every animal?

What scientific proof did you offer that the worldwide flood did not take place?

2. The bible claims the earth is 7,000 yrs. old (or something like that). Carbon dating and fossils (as well as other things) disprove that.

Where in the bible does it say that the earth is 7,000 years old?

3. Evolution disproves creationism, as there is PHYSICAL EVIDENCE backing evolution, and a really old book backing creation.

What is the physical evidence proving evolution?

But believe god and the bible blindly. There's no evidence supporting anything important in religion, but someone wrote a book about it and convinced a lot of people so it must be true. Also, just because something can be proved physically doesn't mean its actually real, right? Maybe it's just the devil doing his work.

You started by saying that science easily disproves God, but you didn't bring anything to the table.

[Krogith]

I don't really care about this subject, so I'm not going to spend much time on it, but here's a couple things:
1. The whole Noah's arc thing makes 0 sense. What did the animals eat? What did Noah eat? How the fuck did he build an arc big enough to store 2 of every animal?
2 Peter 2:5 is them being Kept alive by God and Genesis 6:14-16 in part is some of the gideline he was to use. Building a ark would be impossable by your self your right but with the PLAINS MADE FROM GOD all Noah had to do was in Genesis 6:22 where he did Just as God told him.

2. The bible claims the earth is 7,000 yrs. old (or something like that). Carbon dating and fossils (as well as other things) disprove that.
Where? the 6 Days of creation? a Day in the 24 hr sence didn't even exsist so when god says he did something in one Day it's GOD CONCEPT OF A DAY. and guess what I bet his Days are a Lot longer than ours. thats why Revelation talks about the Last Days SOON to come because 2000 years ago when John was told Revelation (around about) this is only a short time for God.

3. Evolution disproves creationism, as there is PHYSICAL EVIDENCE backing evolution, and a really old book backing creation.

Evolution is Full of Holes, For Exsample Science CAN NOT explain why the universe doesn't work on the same laws for exsample, The law of Gravity and Electromagnetism. But as for Evolution they have never found these so called missing links, they just have theory.

But believe god and the bible blindly. There's no evidence supporting anything important in religion, but someone wrote a book about it and convinced a lot of people so it must be true. Also, just because something can be proved physically doesn't mean its actually real, right? Maybe it's just the devil doing his work.

Job 9:6-10 & 38:31-33 talks about Star Constellations in 1473 B.C.E.!! and in Isaiah 40:22 the earth is called a Circle and in Job 26:7 It says God hangs the earth upon nothing. that back in 1473 B.C.E. Thats SOME of why I belive the Bible.

What do you think?

[norkali]

Zeitgeist. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=55470481422995115331)

If you watch just 1 more movie in your lifetime, let it be this one. Trust me, love it or hate it, you will be glad you watched it. Rapid mental/ideal expansion minus the LSD.

WARNING: following may be considered blasphemous to others:

This movie shows that God/Jesus Christ/Krishna/Horus/all religious doctrines, from all eras, are all just (for the most part) misinterpreted metaphors for science & astrology. Just 1/2 an hour is all it takes. Part 1 is all you need to watch religion-wise. You will be amazed, I was.

Also, I must say, I have not researched any of the claims made in this movie, nor have I researched the sources cited (given.) Personally, I have been, and continue to be, agnostic. I do believe there is a higher power, but I do not claim/believe that I know who exactly he/she/it, is/was/or will be. This movie does though make the most logical sense out of anything I have been told/taught to believe/shown in my life. (The movie as a whole also, regarding all issues addressed, IMO)

[Hardcore Newbie]

I understand, and wasn't trying to attack you personally. I was just trying to state how ridiculous the notion of a god and religion is.Just saying, calling someone else's idea ridiculous isn't a good way to open conversation with someone, especially after stating that science easily proves god and religion, and then acknowledging that it's impossible to do so.

[bhouncy]

OK OK... I give in.. OK.. I am god. Don't question me. Just BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pass That Shit]

OK OK... I give in.. OK.. I am god. Don't question me. Just BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound like us Christians!!! :stoned:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

OK OK... I give in.. OK.. I am god. Don't question me. Just BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now that we've finally got you cornered, i've got a bone to pick with you. what the hell is up with okra? was it really meant to be eaten or is this just another one of your cruel jokes. and while we're on the subject of cruel jokes, i really don't appreciate the whole "multiple religions" thing. next time around, keep it simple.

[SeaWeed005]

God does not exisit..
Because the person.. feels... guilt, fear, or ignorance.
God loves.. I'll accept it freely, receive grace.. through faith, to works becomming a Christ-like person. Anyone wanna hit this..? pass it on.
:thumbsup:

[Pass That Shit]

PASS THAT SEAWEED!!! :jointsmile:

[BeatlesRGod]

Just saying, calling someone else's idea ridiculous isn't a good way to open conversation with someone, especially after stating that science easily proves god and religion, and then acknowledging that it's impossible to do so.

What I was saying is it's impossible to do so, but science has been disproving things supporting a god and things in the bible, as close as you can get to disproving a god.

[DISSTroyed]

God exists because God made our sacred herb.




Actually, this is just another example of a never ending
dispute with good points from both angles.

Science can't prove or disprove God, and as for it disproving
things in the Bible, lets remember how it's almost 2000 years old,
has been translated into many different languages, adjusted to
fit different cultures, etc. The original works were basically warped
by humanity. Let's also remember that not everything in the bible is
to be taken literally, there are stories. Human ignorance and fear also
come into question, as people are afraid to believe in a God, and some are
afraid not too. As for the whole "No God would let humanity destroy itself" thing, God gave people freewill and dominion over the planet. Basically this
means he made us, gave us a place to live and then said peace out and took off, leaving us to do things our way.

The point is, there are many theories about a "God" or higher being, but theres nothing concrete about them, although this doesn't make any theory valid or invalid. It's all a matter of faith. God exists if you want Him too or not.

[BeatlesRGod]

To: Pass That Shit and Krogith
1. The proof I offered was the simple fact that theres no way it could have happened taking into consideration the fact that the animals and humans have to eat, and the arc would have to have been enormous, much bigger than claimed to be to fit 2 of every animal. I didn't say there wasn't a flood, although I believe there is evidence against it.
2.Here's a link (http://independencebaptist.org/6,000%20Year%20Old%20Earth/6,000_year_old_earth.htm) to some guy's site using the bible to "prove" earth is 7,000 yrs. old. Look about half way down the web page. There's also a chart that sums it up.
3.DNA similarities, etc. You obviously can't watch a species evolve, but you can see animals that are mutated, or have slightly different characteristics than others of the same species, which supports the idea. These animals (if their mutation or slightly different characteristic is beneficial) will reproduce and put this "mutation" into the gene pool, and are more likely to survive. Eventually, the whole species may adapt this and evolve into a new species. Example: let's say the earlier form of a giraffe had a 2 foot lang neck, and one was born with a 4 ft. long neck. It could reach higher and get more food, as well as see predators further away and therefore survived to pass on its genes. All longer necked giraffes survived better and passed on their genes and eventually they are what we see now.
I don't know what electromagnetism in outer space has to do with evolution, but science isn't perfect, as our knowledge is ever expanding. If something doesn't seem feasible I don't blindly go with it, I look for proof it is correct.

[peacetrain]

If there is a god, it's no god written in books by men centuries ago...including Zeus, Allah, Jesus etc.

There's no doubting that the universe is certainly stranger than even science can explain, but that's no reason to just go believing some random shit a book/person tells you without any proof. The bible certainly isn't the word of God. Unless God has a really awful literary sense. I could write a more interesting narrative.

We won't be able to FULLY disprove God until we understand the entire cosmos, or whatever lies outside the cosmos, or whatever lies outside that. That will take a long time. In the mean time, you can pretty much be guarunteed any previous theories were probably bullshit.

[peacetrain]

Molecular Expressions: Science, Optics and You - Secret Worlds: The Universe Within - Interactive Java Tutorial (http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/)

This usually puts things in perspective. So you want me to believe God created all that, and he spends his time worrying about a bunch of whiny lifeforms on some speck of a speck of a speck of the universe.

[BeatlesRGod]

Hoowa heeya hoowa sorry, ur name...

[baisez le monde.]

Maybe life isn't meant to be all sunshine and daisies... I think it's meant to be one great adventure, a series of highs and lows.. after all, the concept of happiness and "good" would mean nothing if that's all we knew. We would be incapable of emotion if all was perfect, all the time. Without iniquity and sinners, good times and good people would be unrecognizable.

And besides, HUMAN NATURE and FREE WILL is what makes the world cruel at times, not a higher power or lack there-of.

:twocents: :thumbsup:

[Jim M]

i think people need something to believe in because they always look for reasons why bad things happen...
I think everyone should just believe in and worship the mystery of our planet and the universe, for mother nature is the only true god

[RoloSmoker89]

god doesnt exist because marijuana is illegal...

[Blindman0v0]

God:Nobody has ever seen,touched,smelled,heard or talked to him.
Then how can he exist?

[eg420ne]

I am Nobody...God does not exist** cause, the Morning Star believes in you.......