Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

[Pass That Shit]

i think ur a lil confused as no satan did'nt sin from the beginning he was one of the closest to god and then wanted to be as god and wanted to take over and thats when god cast him out of heaven.

What am I confused about? I didn't give any personal opinion. That was a quote out of the word of God. I was sharing that according to scripture both God and the Son of God were manifested. And you took a different part of that verse and said I was confused?
Now I'm confused!

[Pass That Shit]

And where did all the replies go? This thread reached 500 a long time ago and now it's still there?
I just noticed that! :wtf:

[Gurtej15]

Well some people believe in god and have faith but there is no example that god does actually exist and then science over rules god and everything about him creating the earth because of science and the big bang theory And there are no PHYSICAL signs stating there is a god we just made religions and started believing in a higher power.:)

[Pass That Shit]

Are you physical? Doesn't nature teach you that everything comes from seed of itself? Why is it so complicated to understand that man came from man? Doesn't everything else come from itself? Why would we be excluded from the law of nature?
Nature points to God, who created all things, including the herb you smoke! :jointsmile:

[Gurtej15]

By physical i ment that god hasent came down to earth and presented himself as a superior being

[Pass That Shit]

Actually he has, but I guess you're calling all the people who testify that they seen him liars?

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend."

"And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

If you don't believe his word, you wouldn't believe even if he came to the earth.

By the way, nice avatar. :thumbsup:

[tabuwn]

I believe

[WEsmokeED]

Because its all a big scam started hundreds of years ago by the catholic church to maintain power. The Romans were the most powerful, advanced society of their time and they believed in multiple gods, which we find meaningless now that science has proved them wrong. Whose not to say that in another hundred years or so we will look back with this same view on christianity?

[Pass That Shit]

Faith in God has been around since the first man and it will continue until the last. :jointsmile:

Like it or not, there's no stopping it. :thumbsup:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Because its all a big scam started hundreds of years ago by the catholic church to maintain power. The Romans were the most powerful, advanced society of their time and they believed in multiple gods, which we find meaningless now that science has proved them wrong. Whose not to say that in another hundred years or so we will look back with this same view on christianity?

You can't say science has proved the Roman gods wrong, and it hasn't. The only thing that's changed is the dominant religion and cultural attitudes.
You can't disprove something that doesn't exist, and there's no more/less proof for the Roman gods than the current administration in the sky. In order to find proof relating to a subject, the subject must exist in the first place for us to find evidence relating to it. The reason any reasonable atheist wouldn't believe in God, is because there's no evidence that he does exist. Theists unfortunately get so muddled in their logic as to believe you have to prove God doesn't exist for him not to; which is of course impossible as per my explanation above.

[Quantummist]

Guess it all depends on your definition of Exist..

[angry nomad]

God does not exist because it does not heal amputees, goddamit!

[angry nomad]

You can't say science has proved the Roman gods wrong, and it hasn't. The only thing that's changed is the dominant religion and cultural attitudes.
You can't disprove something that doesn't exist, and there's no more/less proof for the Roman gods than the current administration in the sky. In order to find proof relating to a subject, the subject must exist in the first place for us to find evidence relating to it. The reason any reasonable atheist wouldn't believe in God, is because there's no evidence that he does exist. Theists unfortunately get so muddled in their logic as to believe you have to prove God doesn't exist for him not to; which is of course impossible as per my explanation above.

When I was a kid, my little sister loved unicorns. I told her they existed. She said, "No they don't. Unicorns are imaginary. But, I still love them."

Me: Well, have you ever seen one?

Sister: No.

Me: Well then how do you know they don't exist?

I think that is when I started to question Christianity.

[Pass That Shit]

Guess it all depends on your definition of Exist..

Good point. And being that everyone has a different definition of existence, God definately exists.
There's no debating that he exists to alot of people regardless if there's proof or not. :jointsmile:

[Hardcore Newbie]

Good point. And being that everyone has a different definition of existence, God definately exists.
There's no debating that he exists to alot of people regardless if there's proof or not. :jointsmile:You can debate on pretty much anything, but yeah, arguing against this isn't an up hill battle, it's an up-cliff battle :p

[Brandyboi]

God's existence is down to the person who is being asked the question as you can clearly see from all of these answers. There is no hard proof that he either exists or does not, believing is in the eyes of the beholder.

May the cannabliss be with you.

[Quantummist]

Good point. And being that everyone has a different definition of existence, God definately exists.
There's no debating that he exists to alot of people regardless if there's proof or not. :jointsmile:

Exactly my point. To the Believer he exists no matter the argument. Historically him, her or a hundred different variations has filled mans mind since he first looked up and said "WTF was That?"

So from that aspect he really does exist to those folks.

But then if I consider he, she, them are outside the 3 dimensional universe we live in, then by definition he cannot Exist for to exist from that prospective he, she, them must be made of physical stuff.

So to me, since I'm not a believer in Anything Ever, he cannot exist. Such is the curse of science. When one considers the concepts of evidence and proof important then you become jaded and the sweet bliss of easy answers such as "God Did It!" can't by had.

I, at times, wish I could Believe in an Almighty deity that had a shoulder to cry on and to let take the hard stuff off my shoulder. A Being that let me not worry about all I observe in the universe around me. This would give my great peace as I could stop trying to explore all around me I gaze at.

But I tend to think that the quest for knowledge is what man is on this tiny ball for in the first place. Thats the Evidence I have seen. The Proofs provided so far to verify that Evidence far outweigh the Proofs or even Evidence provided by those that Believe.

Q

"I Believe in Nothing, I Know, I Think I Know or I Do Not Know ... I Never Believe" Q

[Pass That Shit]

You have to admit that you don't fully understand the universe. So if you don't fully understand it, isn't it possible that the energy that always has been is actually God himself? Everything we know and see has come from the eternal energy that exists (God). :pimp:

[jakenthegentiles]

hears 3
1. if god forgives eveything theere would be no hell
2.i dont have a pound of keef and a lb of nycd
3. you are your own god

[jakenthegentiles]

God does exist. And, one day, "the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

if by this you mean the knolage that man created god subconshesley so he can have the eternl approvle of his father

[headydankness]

what told us that "God's" name is God?? haha, that shows right there that "God" is made up

And if you say thats his name because of the bible, then where did the bible get the name from??

,peace

[headydankness]

and if u say the bible got it from jesus then your easily saying that any random person can get some dumbasses attention, tell them that theres a person who created us named Arnold, and have those dumbasses make more dumbasses believe this, then a hundreds of people will start believing this and start and writing story's about you and Arnold (the Bible) And as time passes and people will read all the stoires and see all the people who believe in Arnold and join this religion. Now with all these people following this religion, you cant deny that Arnold is the creator of all becuase majority rules. And if you did try to say there was no such thing as Arnold, they will just point to books as proof.

Now thinking of this, if i could get enough people to believe this, i really could start a new religion! seriously

,peace

[Quantummist]

You have to admit that you don't fully understand the universe. So if you don't fully understand it, isn't it possible that the energy that always has been is actually God himself? Everything we know and see has come from the eternal energy that exists (God). :pimp:

Several Points. You never know , I may have the Secret of The Universe all wrapped up in a bow... Well if you want to re visualize the vast Space /Time and call it god thats peachy. But thats not the Feller people been tellin me about in all those Sunday school classes I took.. Its not the one my preacher relatives are talking about..Loudly talking about.... So if you wish to Interpret your religion thats fine but the point is if each bunch of people define their gods by their own interpretations then it is only Faith and thats does not relate to Science in anyway.

If you have your faith and it makes you do good stuff thats fine but you can't try to alter it to fit the real world.

[GROWin GRACE]

what told us that "God's" name is God?? haha, that shows right there that "God" is made up

And if you say thats his name because of the bible, then where did the bible get the name from??

,peace

God is NOT a name, it's a title. God has a name, but religion fails to know it!

God came in the flesh, and performed alot of miracles in front of their eyes, and so people still believe in him till this day! ;)

[Quantummist]

God is NOT a name, it's a title. God has a name, but religion fails to know it!

God came in the flesh, and performed alot of miracles in front of their eyes, and so people still believe in him till this day! ;)

Sounds like we should be worshiping at the thrown of the Almighty Chris Angel.. Hallo It Be Thy Name...

And... Pisst... Hallo.. It Be Thy Name... Hint...

[Veratyr Star]

God does not exist because no human being whatsoever deserves to go to Heaven.

[beachguy in thongs]

The Earth may be heaven. And, Sylvia Brown said "in ten to fifteen years, we will be talking to the dead like they're standing right next to us. Because this world is becoming more spiritual."

Sounds good to me.

[Pass That Shit]

Enjoy your last weekend in thongs beachguy! :D

[beachguy in thongs]

Why's that? And, I prefer G-strings.

edit: The weather?

[Pass That Shit]

;) Don't the beaches close after this weekend in your area too?

[Quantummist]

The Earth may be heaven. And, Sylvia Brown said "in ten to fifteen years, we will be talking to the dead like they're standing right next to us. Because this world is becoming more spiritual."

Sounds good to me.

Doesn't sound too good to me.. Think about all that A'Holes that have died.. My luck they will all have my Email addy

[Coelho]

The Earth may be heaven. And, Sylvia Brown said "in ten to fifteen years, we will be talking to the dead like they're standing right next to us. Because this world is becoming more spiritual."

Sounds good to me.

I agree that in ten to fifteen years we will be talking to the dead... cause all of us will be there...
The end is near! Beware!

[beachguy in thongs]

;) Don't the beaches close after this weekend in your area too?

No, the beaches are open year-round. Maybe, not with lifeguards on duty.

[temujin8]

Originally Posted by someuser View Post
My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

I second that.

I do agree so myself. There is a force "behind the curtain" may it be "God", Buddha, or the force we call nature ( I subscribe to the latter ) I like to keep an open mind about everything though and respect most opinions. long story short, If it brings someone comfort and meaning let it be, to each his own. :smokin:

[BeforeYourTime]

God Does not Exist because the bible has been proven a lie!
God Does not Exist because dinosaurs lived millions of years ago!
God Does not Exist because it is a figment of our imaginations!
God Does not Exist because it Does Not!!!!!!

[mfqr]

A sentence? How about 3 words?

System of Control

[temujin8]

I second that.


God Does not Exist because the bible has been proven a lie!
God Does not Exist because dinosaurs lived millions of years ago!
God Does not Exist because it is a figment of our imaginations!
God Does not Exist because it Does Not!!!!!!

The Bible is actually not so much a lie but, due to miss translations , selective editing and removal of whole books by people who thought that they would compromised the religion as a whole by adding it in and so forth...This has all watered down and altered the meaning of what it really is, also a lot of the stories in the bible are also taken from other mythological stories that predate the bible by thousands of years... like the story of Christ... very interesting stuff for the debating table if you ask me.;)

[temujin8]

A sentence? How about 3 words?

System of Control
hehehe i like that one. you can boil that down to one word, "control" or maybe "fear" would work.

[BeforeYourTime]

hehehe i like that one. you can boil that down to one word, "control" or maybe "fear" would work.


Agreed FEAR

You will believe in god or you will go to hell ... God is FAKE and loves nobody.

[Pass That Shit]

No, the beaches are open year-round. Maybe, not with lifeguards on duty.


Are you saying that you go to the beach in a g-string in the winter with no lifeguards around? :D

[beachguy in thongs]

Hah, no.

[Pass That Shit]

God Does not Exist because the bible has been proven a lie!

Only unbelievers feel that the bible has been proven a lie. Why are there more people who feel that the bible hasn't been proven wrong? I think most will agree that it doesn't come down to proof.


God Does not Exist because dinosaurs lived millions of years ago!

Just like you have faith that the machine used to give you this information is accurate, people have faith in the bible. It always comes down to faith, not proof. If it were proven, why would so many people still believe in it? And dinosaurs existing, has nothing to do with God existing. Why are dinosaurs the deal breaker? Are you implying that dinosaurs created themselves so there is no creator?

God Does not Exist because it is a figment of our imaginations!

I disagree. Faith comes with substance and evidence. If you don't posses it, I can't help you. Ask God for help.

God Does not Exist because it Does Not!!!!!!

God exists cause he does.

:jointsmile:

[BeforeYourTime]

That is absolutley pathetic reasoning. He must exist because you believe he does? He must exist because the bible says so? Because you have faith? LOLOLOLOL

The bible was written by man!

I cant believe your so narrow minded as to live your life around a 2000year old lie, which has been rewritten several times. And proved! wrong countless times.

Infact i dont really care anymore. Enjoy your ignorant life. I'l waste no more of my time here! :thumbsup:

[Quantummist]

That is absolutley pathetic reasoning. He must exist because you believe he does? He must exist because the bible says so? Because you have faith? LOLOLOLOL

The bible was written by man!

I cant believe your so narrow minded as to live your life around a 2000year old lie, which has been rewritten several times. And proved! wrong countless times.

Infact i dont really care anymore. Enjoy your ignorant life. I'l waste no more of my time here! :thumbsup:

Its the Way.. B'Levers B'Leve.. Its why I don't debate religion (much) You'll find that what you think are intelligent people will suspend rational thought when they B'Leve.. It matters not what is Evidence or Proof as they never understand those terms. They will Say Look all around at the way life works and It Is Proof of God because someone had to make such complicated things. That is a sign they have no idea what constitutes Proof or Even Evidence. I've been called names and said to live such a sad life because of my motto : " I Believe in nothing... I Know, I think I know or I Do Not Know ... I never Believe "

I have no gripe with B'Levers who use that to do good and live a life of helping others and following their own paths. Its only when they start the "My Gods Better that Your God" stuff, which leads to death and war, do I shutter at the thought.

B'Levers have killed millions upon millions of people since the first gods were thought up way before recorded history. And now those of an Islamic god seek to kill those of a Hebrew god and a Hindu god ...why? Because my gods better than your god...

If not for B'Levers the Library of Alexander would be standing today and we would be 500 years ahead in science and technology, The Black plague would not have been so bad, and today we may have already had outpost on other planets.. But nope.. and Why... Because my gods better than your god...

[Pass That Shit]

That is absolutley pathetic reasoning. He must exist because you believe he does? He must exist because the bible says so? Because you have faith? LOLOLOLOL

Keep in mind that this was sarcasm cause you stated that God does not exist, cause he doesn't.

The bible was written by man!

True, but inspired by God.

I cant believe your so narrow minded as to live your life around a 2000year old lie, which has been rewritten several times. And proved! wrong countless times.

You keep saying proved wrong, but what proof have you shared?

Infact i dont really care anymore. Enjoy your ignorant life. I'l waste no more of my time here! :thumbsup:

Take care!

How exactly did you show that you are broad minded? Just because you disagree with me, makes me narrow minded? Believing the bible doesn't make a person narrow minded. Are unbelievers narrow minded cause they don't believe in the bible? And a person who does not beleive in the bible, is just as ignorant as the one who does. The only difference between the two, is what they beleive! :pimp:

[Pass That Shit]

Its the Way.. B'Levers B'Leve.. Its why I don't debate religion (much) You'll find that what you think are intelligent people will suspend rational thought when they B'Leve.. It matters not what is Evidence or Proof as they never understand those terms. They will Say Look all around at the way life works and It Is Proof of God because someone had to make such complicated things. That is a sign they have no idea what constitutes Proof or Even Evidence. I've been called names and said to live such a sad life because of my motto : " I Believe in nothing... I Know, I think I know or I Do Not Know ... I never Believe "

I have no gripe with B'Levers who use that to do good and live a life of helping others and following their own paths. Its only when they start the "My Gods Better that Your God" stuff, which leads to death and war, do I shutter at the thought.

B'Levers have killed millions upon millions of people since the first gods were thought up way before recorded history. And now those of an Islamic god seek to kill those of a Hebrew god and a Hindu god ...why? Because my gods better than your god...

If not for B'Levers the Library of Alexander would be standing today and we would be 500 years ahead in science and technology, The Black plague would not have been so bad, and today we may have already had outpost on other planets.. But nope.. and Why... Because my gods better than your god...

It's not about intelligence. Are you claiming that you are more intelligent than every believer? Did you read the locked thread named "a path to faith with science? He believed in God and seemed to be full of scientific intelligence. What about all the scientists who believe in God? Do they lack intelligence? By the way, what is your IQ? :D

[Hardcore Newbie]

It's not about intelligence. Are you claiming that you are more intelligent than every believer? Did you read the locked thread named "a path to faith with science? He believed in God and seemed to be full of scientific intelligence. What about all the scientists who believe in God? Do they lack intelligence? By the way, what is your IQ? :DWhile NiA had intelligence, he was full of assumptions as well. He may have intelligence to go with many of his assumptions, but claimed his assumptions as truth with no room for error.

[Quantummist]

How exactly did you show that you are broad minded? Just because you disagree with me, makes me narrow minded? Believing the bible doesn't make a person narrow minded. Are unbelievers narrow minded cause they don't believe in the bible? And a person who does not beleive in the bible, is just as ignorant as the one who does. The only difference between the two, is what they beleive! :pimp:

I can't help myself.. So into the lions den I rush head long....

Narrow Minded means that you have a set view of the world around you and do not change that view even when presented with Evidence. Either Believers or Non believers can be narrow minded.. But Only Non-Believers can be Broad Minded..

As for the bible if you think god stuck down his hand and inspired its words by the men who wrote it. you must first educate on ALL its books and why some letters were stuck between the cover and others were held back. If you think it is as it has always been, then you have no idea of the Documented variations of it that Predate Jesus times.. Then if you Interpret even one passage to make it fit the real world you then are placing your own version out there..

SO if you Believe the bible is the Inspired Word Of God then you must read it and consider each word and concept as is. So you Must Believe that the world is 6000 years old, You must believe that Adam & Eve were incestuous ..(remember 2 sons) , You Must Believe that the Whole Globe was completely covered in water within the last 6000 years, You Must Believe that Man Kind is the Center of the Universe, You Must Believe the Jesus was Gay..(Opps Sorry ..thats one of the books that someone inspired by God thought better left out), You Must Believe that the Testable reality around you is a farce and theres an alternate mystical reality thats all around us, You Must Believe that Dino's are and were always just rocks in the ground.

If You Believe any differently or try to fit your Beliefs to the observed universe you are imposing you view on the Word of God.

So if you wish to debate religion and You Believe you Must stick to the word as written in Your bible. You can't come up with New explanations on why what we can Test and Observe is in opposition to the Word. You can't propose "What is Meant By That is" on any passages in that book. Its the Inspired Word Of God and as such if you have to explain anything in it that is in debate by Only the text within.

If you think men wrote it for their own reasons then you can tear it apart with Interpretation all you wish..

[Pass That Shit]

Apply what you just preached and share with me where it says in the bible that the Earth is 6000 years old?

The Earth being 6k years old is a private interpretation! :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

While NiA had intelligence, he was full of assumptions as well. He may have intelligence to go with many of his assumptions, but claimed his assumptions as truth with no room for error.

I was saying that it's not about intelligence. He had scientific intelligence but it had nothing to do with him speaking truth. I think you know where I'm coming from. I don't think either side can prove their side. The proof that I have is invisible so I know It can't be seen.

Did you see the song I posted in the music forum? :D

[Hardcore Newbie]

The music..... needed work. eef!

[Quantummist]

Do they lack intelligence? By the way, what is your IQ? :D

Never said anyone lacked intelligence, said they suspended rational thought.. and its 171 if you must know..

As I said.. What I have perceived as intelligent people set aside rational thought when they strive to believe. And yes I have debated rather well positioned physicists that fall into the requirement of redefining The Word of God if you also have a knowledge base in the sciences. The Only way you can understand the principles of science and believe is to rewrite the word to fit that which we observe. If you have to do that then the main basis of believing has been falsified.

[Pass That Shit]

"SO if you Believe the bible is the Inspired Word Of God then you must read it and consider each word and concept as is. So you Must Believe that the world is 6000 years old"

Common trend here. People who don't beleive the bible or don't understand it, throw things out there that they can't back up. Since you made the statement, why don't you tell us why a person who believes the bible must believe that the earth is 6000 years old? :wtf:

[action.420]

Personally, I can't follow faith blindly. For me it's too much bullshit and un-logical reasoning for me too follow. I feel like if there is really heaven out there I can live a good life without a "holy" book just as good as any other christian and I should be accepted into that heavenly society. And if not, fuck that then. I don't want to be included into it.

[Pass That Shit]

Why is that believers feel that it's logical to believe in God and unbelievers feel that it's illogical? Does it really come down to logic? :wtf:

[BlazeDaPurplHaze]

God does not exist because HE wouldn't let the love of my life whom I cherish more then words could ever begin to describe stop loving me. and her and I would have not had this static between us that led to our downfall.

God does not exist because I would have murdered him if he did. in the most painfullest way.

[Quantummist]

"SO if you Believe the bible is the Inspired Word Of God then you must read it and consider each word and concept as is. So you Must Believe that the world is 6000 years old"

Common trend here. People who don't beleive the bible or don't understand it, throw things out there that they can't back up. Since you made the statement, why don't you tell us why a person who believes the bible must believe that the earth is 6000 years old? :wtf:

The Book of Genesis (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genesis.html)

Here you go... you do the math... Many of the local churches down here teach that the earth is 6 k old and Dinos were made as fossils to give the earth a look of old.. And if you take a few moments you will find Many,Many ref's to those that think the same way.. The earth is 6 k Old.. anything older is an act of god to make it look old.. So if you go through Genesis and add up the life spans and when/where buried you come up with 6 k years.. Not My idea.. its the B'Levers Idea...

[Quantummist]

Why is that believers feel that it's logical to believe in God and unbelievers feel that it's illogical? Does it really come down to logic? :wtf:

To Believe is to refuse Logic. Thats to Believe in ANYTHING.. The moment you say I believe you give up logic for religion in any field you believe. Religion is not just about god or gods.. Religion is the act of Believing anything even when presented with the flaw of that belief . Thats called Logic.. If I Believe that 1 + 1 =3 its religion and Logic fails to alter the believer..

Why do unbelievers thank belief is illogical... simple because it Is. that is if you know what is meant by Logic.

[mfqr]

I really don't understand how you bible believers can support such things. The bible is completely repulsive, and sexist. It supports killing people. It supports the oppression of women. It supports slavery. If you have read the bible, you know this. So tell me, why would you support such a thing?

[Pass That Shit]

The Book of Genesis (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/genesis.html)

Here you go... you do the math... Many of the local churches down here teach that the earth is 6 k old and Dinos were made as fossils to give the earth a look of old.. And if you take a few moments you will find Many,Many ref's to those that think the same way.. The earth is 6 k Old.. anything older is an act of god to make it look old.. So if you go through Genesis and add up the life spans and when/where buried you come up with 6 k years.. Not My idea.. its the B'Levers Idea...

Do you think the world is 6000 years old because it's what other religions preach to you or because you read it in the bible? Genesis is a very large book to read, and I have read it and didn't come to the same conclusion as you, so can you be more specific on the text that leads you to believe the earth is 6k years? I don't think it's fair to say that if we believe the bible we MUST beleive the earth is 6k years old and then you DON'T provide the text that says this. It sounds to me, that this belief you have about the earth being 6000 years old is your personal reasoning about the bible. I don't think you should listen to anyone about the bible, including me. Read it for yourself. Then accuse what's written in it, don't accuse the bible for something it DOESN'T say. :jointsmile:

And I'm not gonna go back and forth with you about this point any longer cause you're entitled to your opinion. But I was curious to what your source was, and now I know. Peace! :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

I really don't understand how you bible believers can support such things. The bible is completely repulsive, and sexist. It supports killing people. It supports the oppression of women. It supports slavery. If you have read the bible, you know this. So tell me, why would you support such a thing?

So let me get this straight, you are righteous and God is evil right? This is another common trend with unbelievers. They feel that they are a "better person" than God. So tell me, why do you think women support the bible, including my wife? :wtf:

[Quantummist]

Do you think the world is 6000 years old because it's what other religions preach to you or because you read it in the bible? Genesis is a very large book to read, and I have read it and didn't come to the same conclusion as you, so can you be more specific on the text that leads you to believe the earth is 6k years? I don't think it's fair to say that if we believe the bible we MUST beleive the earth is 6k years old and then you DON'T provide the text that says this. It sounds to me, that this belief you have about the earth being 6000 years old is your personal reasoning about the bible. I don't think you should listen to anyone about the bible, including me. Read it for yourself. Then accuse what's written in it, don't accuse the bible for something it DOESN'T say. :jointsmile:

And I'm not gonna go back and forth with you about this point any longer cause you're entitled to your opinion. But I was curious to what your source was, and now I know. Peace! :jointsmile:

Dude.. I think you need to focus on your reading comprehension issues.. I never said I Believe in anything.. I Know the earth is Millions of years old. What my point was is that those that say the the Bible is THE Word Of God cannot then Interpret those words to fit the observed universe. In Genisis if you add up the who begot whos and how long they lived and so forth you end up with 6000 years.. ITS NOT ME saying such.. its those that BELIEVE that the bible IS the Word of God and since the genealogy Says that it all began 6000 years ago those that BELIEVE it is the Word of God Say It must be so. ANd in Fact if you do the maths in Genisis it does come to aproximatly 6000 years since Adam and Eve poped up from the dirt.

If you say at any point the words in the Bible are the word of god then you MUST take every word at face value. If you say No "I can read it to mean" Then You and anyone can make it mean anything you like but ( Back to Logic) If you say you, just a man, can take its words to mean other than as written then It has to be either NOT the word of god or You are placing Your version of it Over Gods Word.

If you read the words" 7 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. " Then God looks like you and me if the bible is his word.. So you cant then now say well god is the unseen energy of the universe or some other version of what god is because it fits the known scientific dogma.

If you take it as the Word of God then God is a physical entity.. Theres many , many passages that say one thing and the Believers then interpret it to Mean something other than as written ..when you do that its logical to state its either Not the word of god or the person is over ruling gods word.

Last time I will address this also as to believe in anything is to throw logic to the wind.

As I said before if believing causes one to do good, help thy fellow man, love thy neighbor, in other words to act in Honor ( Honor is doing the right thing when no one is looking) then its great.. But History shows that most the time it ends in tragedy because men fall to the My Gods better than Your God mind set and people die in the millions..

[Quantummist]

So let me get this straight, you are righteous and God is evil right? This is another common trend with unbelievers. They feel that they are a "better person" than God. So tell me, why do you think women support the bible, including my wife? :wtf:

Maybe Ignorance is Bliss....

[Hardcore Newbie]

So let me get this straight, you are righteous and God is evil right? This is another common trend with unbelievers. They feel that they are a "better person" than God. So tell me, why do you think women support the bible, including my wife? :wtf:Most people don't follow it to the degree that the Bible implies. People just ignore, misinterpret, reinterpret the parts that they don't like, or rationalize the views saying "this was only for that period, it doesn't matter this day in age". Nobody lets their children die because their children have cursed them.

And yeah, I do believe I am more moral than the God that the Bible depicts.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Dude.. I think you need to focus on your reading comprehension issues.. I never said I Believe in anything.. I Know the earth is Millions of years old. This is just a bad as saying that you believe, in my opinion at least. Again, the cliche of a flat world shows that we only know as far as we can see. When new information comes, it changes what we "know".

[Quantummist]

This is just a bad as saying that you believe, in my opinion at least. Again, the cliche of a flat world shows that we only know as far as we can see. When new information comes, it changes what we "know".

BIG difference.. I KNOW because we have massive volumes of Evidence that has been tested and proven over hundreds of years.. To Know and to believe are two totally different things

[Pass That Shit]

Dude.. I think you need to focus on your reading comprehension issues.. I never said I Believe in anything.. I Know the earth is Millions of years old. What my point was is that those that say the the Bible is THE Word Of God cannot then Interpret those words to fit the observed universe. In Genisis if you add up the who begot whos and how long they lived and so forth you end up with 6000 years.. ITS NOT ME saying such.. its those that BELIEVE that the bible IS the Word of God and since the genealogy Says that it all began 6000 years ago those that BELIEVE it is the Word of God Say It must be so. ANd in Fact if you do the maths in Genisis it does come to aproximatly 6000 years since Adam and Eve poped up from the dirt.

If you say at any point the words in the Bible are the word of god then you MUST take every word at face value. If you say No "I can read it to mean" Then You and anyone can make it mean anything you like but ( Back to Logic) If you say you, just a man, can take its words to mean other than as written then It has to be either NOT the word of god or You are placing Your version of it Over Gods Word.

If you read the words" 7 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. " Then God looks like you and me if the bible is his word.. So you cant then now say well god is the unseen energy of the universe or some other version of what god is because it fits the known scientific dogma.

If you take it as the Word of God then God is a physical entity.. Theres many , many passages that say one thing and the Believers then interpret it to Mean something other than as written ..when you do that its logical to state its either Not the word of god or the person is over ruling gods word.

Last time I will address this also as to believe in anything is to throw logic to the wind.

As I said before if believing causes one to do good, help thy fellow man, love thy neighbor, in other words to act in Honor ( Honor is doing the right thing when no one is looking) then its great.. But History shows that most the time it ends in tragedy because men fall to the My Gods better than Your God mind set and people die in the millions..

The age of Adam and Eve and the age of the earth are two different conversations.
You never mentioned Adam and Eve, you said the earth was 6000 years old.
It's clear that you can't back up your original comment so now you're jumping around to other things.

Even though the bible appears to contradict itself in just about every subject, it really doesn't. God is a Spirit. But we know that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. The Lord is that Spirit. Jesus is Lord. So God made man in his own image. Jesus created all things. Yes, God is a man. It's clear right from the creation in Genesis, that God spoke, so he has a mouth. God formed man of the dust of the ground, so he has hands and fingers. God has feelings so he has a heart. God can see with his eyes and hear with his ears. Yes, we were made in the image of God. God is a man. Jesus is God. Jesus is eternal. The Son of God is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life. Jesus is God himself.

Doesn't every seed come from itself? Why is it logical to think that we are exempt from this law in nature? Why is it so hard to believe that we came from a man? Doesn't weed come from weed? Don't you need a Cannabis plant to get Cannabis seeds? What makes you think that we are any different? Every seed comes from itself, and we are not excluded from this. God is a man, that's why there is men on the earth. Plain and simple!

I hear people often say that life is the result of a miracle chance of one in a million. You would have to say that this one in a million chance took place in everything alive cause one thing did not come from the other. Another words, what does the Cannabis plant have to do with man being on the earth? We always debate about how man got here, but how did the plant get here? Was that a one in a million chance as well? We can go on and on about everything that exists and debate how it all got here. :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

Most people don't follow it to the degree that the Bible implies. People just ignore, misinterpret, reinterpret the parts that they don't like, or rationalize the views saying "this was only for that period, it doesn't matter this day in age". Nobody lets their children die because their children have cursed them.

And yeah, I do believe I am more moral than the God that the Bible depicts.


I won't even touch this one, that's on you!
Our words will either justify or condemn us!

[Quantummist]

The age of Adam and Eve and the age of the earth are two different conversations.
You never mentioned Adam and Eve, you said the earth was 6000 years old.


SO ..you think the bible is Gods Nuanced Thought.. Not The Word of God.. If He made A & E on the 6th day.. (Ok.. 6000 years plus or minus 7 days) Now if you wana say oh heck ..Gods Days are 10,000 years in length then YOU are saying None of the bible can be taken as written.. kinda blasphemy don't ya think...



It's clear that you can't back up your original comment so now you're jumping around to other things.


It clear you didn't do the math.. Have you actually read the bible ? or just bits and pieces .. Its the Word Of God and ifn I Believed that, I would read every word 1000 times over .. I'm not gona go through each Begot and do the math for you.. I have by the way done just that in the past.. I backed up my comment clearly by pointing you to Genesis and telling you to READ it and do the Math and consider EACH WORD is Gods Word so you can't add your own interpretations ..if you do then YOU are superseding GODS WORD..




Even though the bible appears to contradict itself in just about every subject, it really doesn't. God is a Spirit.


So you say but cannot validate.....

I say..No such thing as Spirits, ghost, goblin, and big foots... Well maybe bigfoot.. of them at least we have tracks...




But we know that Jesus is the image of the invisible God.




No WE don't Know any such thing




The Lord is that Spirit. Jesus is Lord.



So you say but cannot validate.....



So God made man in his own image.


So you say but cannot validate.....




Jesus created all things. Yes, God is a man. It's clear right from the creation in Genesis, that God spoke, so he has a mouth. God formed man of the dust of the ground, so he has hands and fingers. God has feelings so he has a heart.



And you asked earler WHY Unbelievers think believers are Illogical.. Well There ya go.... and by the way.. Feelings come from a organ a bit higher up.. The heart pumps blood..




God can see with his eyes and hear with his ears. Yes, we were made in the image of God. God is a man. Jesus is God. Jesus is eternal. The Son of God is without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life. Jesus is God himself.



So you say but cannot validate.....




Doesn't every seed come from itself?



uhhh... no.. I might just cross a Hops plant with a hemp plant then genetically mutate it with colcasine then let it grow wild for 1 billions years and it may very well become an Asexual propagating crawly thing with 10 eyes and a fussy tail...




Why is it logical to think that we are exempt from this law in nature?



Cause its not been upheld by the supreme court.. oh and because its NOT a law of Nature..




Why is it so hard to believe that we came from a man?



Its not... in a round about way.. through a woman...




Doesn't weed come from weed? Don't you need a Cannabis plant to get Cannabis seeds? What makes you think that we are any different? Every seed comes from itself, and we are not excluded from this. God is a man, that's why there is men on the earth. Plain and simple!



Plain and simple my left testicle.. Thats about the most irrational construct I've heard in a while.. You really don't understand Logic in its construct form do you..





I hear people often say that life is the result of a miracle chance of one in a million.



Then those that you have heard say such a thing do not understand Odds very well.. one in a million is far from a miracle.. 1 in 500 Billion is Far,Far from a Miracle.. Thats such a small number in this Universe as to be a Has to happen event




You would have to say that this one in a million chance took place in everything alive cause one thing did not come from the other.


Well ...Yes It Did.. All Life you see poking its head from the rocks, growing on the top of the mountain, walking down the street, swimming in the ocean, living in your belly ... came from the same micro organism .. That organism made all the Oxygen you are breathing right now. Well at least 98% of it.. A bit dropped in during the heavy bombardment period.. That organism became YOU , Me and the pot plant you just smoked...




Another words, what does the Cannabis plant have to do with man being on the earth?





Because Your related to it...

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We always debate about how man got here, but how did the plant get here?


They are both from the SAME Base organisim that branched into different life forms after 12 extinction events that re shuffled the DNA deck each time




Was that a one in a million chance as well?


No more like 1 in 500 billion or so.. Hate to burst your bubble but thats a very, very small number as the Universe goes...




We can go on and on about everything that exists and debate how it all got here. :jointsmile:

No Need to debate that which has a pretty good DNA trail that deleniates the variations that traces back to little simple 1 cell Things that were neither Plant nor Animal completely...

[Pass That Shit]

I'll sum it up with this. You are denying that Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. He was seen after his resurrection by many. When you can prove to me that all the different witnesses that have left their testimony of what happened are liars, I'll consider your view. But since you don't have a single trace of evidence to prove that all the testimonies are lies, I'll choose to believe that they were honest men and spoke the truth.

Just about everything you said is because you believe it, not because you can prove any of it. It never comes down to logic or proof. It always comes down to faith. Science is just like religion, there are many branches and they all disagree with each other. If it were about logic and proof, everyone would agree!

And by the way, when you feel love or hate, it comes from your heart not your brain. :jointsmile:
And I'm not referring to the blood pumping organ!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I'll sum it up with this. You are denying that Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. He was seen after his resurrection by many. When you can prove to me that all the different witnesses that have left their testimony of what happened are liars, I'll consider your view.

But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.


It always comes down to faith. Science is just like religion, there are many branches and they all disagree with each other. If it were about logic and proof, everyone would agree!

erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.


And by the way, when you feel love or hate, it comes from your heart not your brain.

In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.

[mfqr]

So let me get this straight, you are righteous and God is evil right? This is another common trend with unbelievers. They feel that they are a "better person" than God. So tell me, why do you think women support the bible, including my wife? :wtf:

Nope, never said I was more righteous than God, because of course, I don't believe in God; thus I cannot believe I am more righteous than something I don't believe in. :thumbsup:

I'll tell you why, because I don't think that a lot of women have actually read the entire bible (in fact, a lot of people havent, women and men). Either that, or they disregarded those parts. I guess it would make sense for a believer to disregard such insanity, because it would go against the core belief. Wait, does that make sense? Sounds like Christianity has gone off course...

The Bible is repulsive, sexist, and supports the use of slaves. Instead of dodging what I asked, maybe you can answer. Why do you believe in such a thing? Clearly God is not completely benevolent if he supports the murder of drunken adolescents, just because they are drunk. There are many other instances, too.

[mfqr]

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." - Exodus 31:15

For the first commandment, here is what it says to do if it is broken:

"Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." - Deut 17:2-7

"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it." - Deut 13:13-19

So it looks like there was a reason for the crusades after all. Because the bible told them to do it!

"Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him." - Lev 24:16

So, anyone who believes in God must be put to death? Oh, right, but I'm sure you'd support that, wouldn't you?

"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:9

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:13

"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall ... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21

"If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." - Matthew 18:7-9

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." - 1 Tim 2

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life." - Leviticus 25:44

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." - Exodus Chapter 21:20

"Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity." - Titus 2:9

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes." - Isaiah 13

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." - Hosea 13

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31

This isn't all of it, there are tons more. Now tell me, why do you support this kind of thing? And if you don't, then you are not a true Christian. I think this is pretty good evidence that the Bible was not inspired by any God, but rather tyrants.

Totally repulsive. You cannot deny this. Look those up yourself.

Oh, and just to tell you... these aren't metaphors. They really mean what they say in it. It is quite obvious that these are to be taken literally.

[Quantummist]

I'll sum it up with this. You are denying that Jesus Christ died, was buried and rose again from the dead. He was seen after his resurrection by many. When you can prove to me that all the different witnesses that have left their testimony of what happened are liars, I'll consider your view. But since you don't have a single trace of evidence to prove that all the testimonies are lies, I'll choose to believe that they were honest men and spoke the truth.



Heres the thing.. I follow the scientific method when I address an concept and that requires following some rules.. Let me try to explain this to you a bit. First Proof has a specific meaning, Evidence has a specific meaning. And in the proving you never address the negative.

What you have done is to take someone word as Proof. It would not matter if 100000000 people SAY they saw a space ship land in there back yard.. That does not constitute proof.. for something to be proven it must be reproducible and falsifiable. The human species is very poor at understanding what they see as you can never be sure what they say they say is what was really the event. That why ,in science, no ones witness of events are give more than a passing consideration

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Just about everything you said is because you believe it, not because you can prove any of it. It never comes down to logic or proof.



No, thats just not true. I do Not Believe it. There is many aspects that have been Proven some parts are theoretical. Its you that do not know of or except those proofs and theory. As for Logic you have shown ,IMHO, that you have no idea what constitutes Proof nor do you understand Logic. You seem to think Logic is what ever makes sense to You.. Thats not it. Logic, Proof, Evidence, have specific meanings that are not left to the individual to make up as we go.




It always comes down to faith. Science is just like religion, there are many branches and they all disagree with each other. If it were about logic and proof, everyone would agree!



In Religions it comes down to faith. And to some in science they do approach it like its religious dogma but If you understand the principles of scientific method then it never comes down to Believing in anything.

NO they would not.. because some people have no idea what constitutes Proof or Logic. If you have no idea what those terms really mean then you will always Believe in ghosties and goblins even when presented with logical argument against it.

[/QUOTE]
And by the way, when you feel love or hate, it comes from your heart not your brain. :jointsmile:
And I'm not referring to the blood pumping organ![/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]

Can you show me this bodily organ on an X-ray.. When you feel hate or love, jealousy and greed, Hot and Cold it happens because your brain fires neurons which sends electrical signals to the synoptic connections between and causes a chemical to cross the synoptic gap firing the next neuron. When you smoke a bit of bud it locks a molecule of de-hydrated THC-9 to the receptor matching its surface chemistry causing those neurons to alter the firing sequence .. Biology class is not over... :beatdeadhorse:

[Quantummist]

But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.



erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.

In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.

Finally someone that Does understand the scientific method.. Well stated responce...... :thumbsup:

[Pass That Shit]

"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death." - Exodus 31:15

For the first commandment, here is what it says to do if it is broken:

"Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death." - Deut 17:2-7

"...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it." - Deut 13:13-19

So it looks like there was a reason for the crusades after all. Because the bible told them to do it!

"Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him." - Lev 24:16

So, anyone who believes in God must be put to death? Oh, right, but I'm sure you'd support that, wouldn't you?

"All who curse their father or mother must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:9

"If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death." - Leviticus 20:13

"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall ... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death." - Deut 21

"If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." - Matthew 18:7-9

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church." - 1 Corinthians 14

"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." - 1 Tim 2

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life." - Leviticus 25:44

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property." - Exodus Chapter 21:20

"Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity." - Titus 2:9

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes." - Isaiah 13

"Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open." - Hosea 13

"Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." - Numbers 31

This isn't all of it, there are tons more. Now tell me, why do you support this kind of thing? And if you don't, then you are not a true Christian. I think this is pretty good evidence that the Bible was not inspired by any God, but rather tyrants.

Totally repulsive. You cannot deny this. Look those up yourself.

Oh, and just to tell you... these aren't metaphors. They really mean what they say in it. It is quite obvious that these are to be taken literally.

I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:

And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.

[Pass That Shit]

But you're creating a false dilemma, that the witnesses are either liars or right. Everything seems to come down to that with you for some reason:wtf:.
I'm not up to date on the thread so sorry if this has already been covered, but are there actually several witness tesimonies in multiple works of the resurrection, or are you're "multiple witnesses" really just multiple being in a single story? Because if it's just one story with many people, then the only actual witness is one person, not many.



erm.... Different branches of science tend not to disagree with each other because they're not even arguing with each other. A biologist and a rocket scientist aren't going to argue about the origin of life for instance.
Scientists in the same field will absolutely argue about some things, but definately not most things. This is why we have hypothesis, theory, established theory, and law. The first two are up for debate, established theory is seldom debated unless there's a major shakeup in the foundations of the field, and law is strait-up law. Regardless they are NOT matters of faith because the theories are based on observable, testable, and consistantly repeatable evidence. God is only a hypothesis, and the theory of evolution does not mean the "hypothesis of evolution" as many creationists seem to think. I would advise you not to make claims on the verifiable nature of science unless you actually understand it in-depth yourself.



In the real world of logic and science, love and hate are the products of seratonin, dopamine, endorphines, and norapinephrine which actually are created in the brain.

Are you saying that the entire bible is one story with one witness? Cause there were many different men who testified of God from different generations and so there are MANY witnesses who say the same thing. Are they all lying? They're either telling the truth or they are telling lies. There is no gray area. Something is either true or it's not. God is true! :jointsmile:

[Quantummist]

I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:

And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.

He made his point and you seem to agree.. You and your version of god are both psychopaths .. You think because god said so you should take babies and thrash them against a rock because their fathers don't believe in what you think they should. And you don't even understand that..

You started this thread and to my humble mind have shown exactly why , to all that have followed this, that religion is irrational and in many cases dangerous to mankind. History is re pleat with Believers getting to the point that they elect themselves to take over if gods a bit slow at thrashing the infidels.

What you are writing is not much different than a Mulah teaching little Abdul to strap a bomb on his chest and blow up them damned infidels.

The sad thing is that you have no idea of what I and other have told you. You , in your head, cannot comprehend any of those that try to logically and rationally address the question that you started in this thread.

To this point your basic response to logic and evidence is "God Did It" and any explanation of the reality around you that does not fit that mental image is no more than gibberish to you.

With all the light and beauty in the universe you wish to see man killed, drowned, burned and mutilated .. might as well start chanting "Alla be Praised" over and over.. same difference...

sad...ver sad

[Pass That Shit]

He made his point and you seem to agree.. You and your version of god are both psychopaths .. You think because god said so you should take babies and thrash them against a rock because their fathers don't believe in what you think they should. And you don't even understand that..

You started this thread and to my humble mind have shown exactly why , to all that have followed this, that religion is irrational and in many cases dangerous to mankind. History is re pleat with Believers getting to the point that they elect themselves to take over if gods a bit slow at thrashing the infidels.

What you are writing is not much different than a Mulah teaching little Abdul to strap a bomb on his chest and blow up them damned infidels.

The sad thing is that you have no idea of what I and other have told you. You , in your head, cannot comprehend any of those that try to logically and rationally address the question that you started in this thread.

To this point your basic response to logic and evidence is "God Did It" and any explanation of the reality around you that does not fit that mental image is no more than gibberish to you.

With all the light and beauty in the universe you wish to see man killed, drowned, burned and mutilated .. might as well start chanting "Alla be Praised" over and over.. same difference...

sad...ver sad

You're stretching it quite a bit. What I believe, doesn't hurt anyone. I don't support the violence others do in the name of God. GOD IS NOT TELLING THEM TO ACT LIKE THAT. God is the judge. We are not. We need to do our part and he is the one who will judge everyone in righteousness! Just because I agree with his judgments, doesn't make me the same as the ones you bring up. If they were like me, they would follow Jesus, instead of trying to kill who they feel is the enemy.

It's not that I don't hear or understand what you guys are saying, It's that I completely disagree with it. See, life forevermore is a blessing. It was commanded upon the mountains of Zion, so there's no way to stop eternal life from coming. And I'm very thankful for it! :pimp:

[FakeBoobsRule]

This thread is getting close to being closed. Remember to respect each other and not to attack each other.

Quantummist, I only have one contact in so I might be missing something but you are standing out so this is your warning. Watch what you say about other religions and other members here. You are new to the forum so I hope you have read Psycho4Bud's sticky on respect in this forum.


Don't make me have to come back in here.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Are you saying that the entire bible is one story with one witness?

Certainly not! The bible, if I remember correctly, is a collection of 40 stories and there's many beyond that in scriptures such as the dead sea scrolls. I was only questioning the number of witnesses in the one story of Jesus's resurrection, in response to your claim that it had multiple witnesses.


Cause there were many different men who testified of God from different generations and so there are MANY witnesses who say the same thing.

Many different men did testify from many different generations. But these men all held a geographically and culturally similar belief in god. For instance there about 40-50 different authors who have written Star Wars novels (which I read as a teenager) that all tie into the same story line, all of which affect the other. I wouldn't say this affects the plausibility of Star Wars though.


Are they all lying?They're either telling the truth or they are telling lies. There is no gray area. Something is either true or it's not.

Something is either true or not, you're absolutely right. But why must every truth or falsehood be from a lie or a truth? Consider the Hindu's who believe(d) in several dieties, the greeks who believed on Poseidon the god of the sea, the Viking's who believe in Thor the blacksmith of the gods. Where all these religions lying? Of course not, they were genuinly mistaken in some cases, and in other cases these mythologies have a long and complex process over which they develope.

Many stories in the bible (if not all) have almost matching versions already existing in now-extinct ancient religions. It's more than plausible that these stories were believed by those who held them, altered them a bit to fit into the bible, and continued the tradition.



God is true!

For you he undoubtedly is. But not for me, sorry.

[Quantummist]

This thread is getting close to being closed. Remember to respect each other and not to attack each other.

Quantummist, I only have one contact in so I might be missing something but you are standing out so this is your warning. Watch what you say about other religions and other members here. You are new to the forum so I hope you have read Psycho4Bud's sticky on respect in this forum.


Don't make me have to come back in here.

Ok.. i'm not too much for political correctness so I'll take my leave of the thread.. It was fun but note that Watching out what one says about religions is why some towers fell .. Too many so don't want to upset the apple cart until its too late and the wheels fall off.. It seems fine for religions to tell me and everyone else is gona die in a fires pit and wrath will befall all us heathens but when those views are responded too we must be tolerant..

Guess we have to wait till the next 100,000 die until thats understood..

So folks have fun and enjoy..

I'm outa here...

[Nailhead]

I know God does not exist because for the past few years I considered myself a Christian, wasn't nutty or anything, just tried to be decent to others and all that jazz. After years of prayers not being answered, I've finally come to the realization that God only exists in our mind. It's given me a new look at religion, as a popular form of schizophrenia.

I know there are people out there that will defend their religion with everything they have, and the reason really just boils down to people not being able to accept death. It is very hard for humans to accept nothingness after they die, so as history has shown, humans have created fantastic stories about what happens after life, and religion is the guide on how to achieve that everlasting life. Of course religion can also be used to control people, after all, humans love to control others, but the primary drive to believe these fantastic stories that have absolutely no evidence of being true is from each person's inability to accept the nothing that comes after we die.

But what do I know, I'm just an atheist sinner that will burn forever right? lol I don't really care if that's what you believe, but every religious person should question their own beliefs more often. There are too many religious people that try so hard to push a religion they don't even really fully understand themselves onto others, it's ridiculous!

God bless you all! :)

[Pass That Shit]

Certainly not! The bible, if I remember correctly, is a collection of 40 stories and there's many beyond that in scriptures such as the dead sea scrolls. I was only questioning the number of witnesses in the one story of Jesus's resurrection, in response to your claim that it had multiple witnesses.



Many different men did testify from many different generations. But these men all held a geographically and culturally similar belief in god. For instance there about 40-50 different authors who have written Star Wars novels (which I read as a teenager) that all tie into the same story line, all of which affect the other. I wouldn't say this affects the plausibility of Star Wars though.



Something is either true or not, you're absolutely right. But why must every truth or falsehood be from a lie or a truth? Consider the Hindu's who believe(d) in several dieties, the greeks who believed on Poseidon the god of the sea, the Viking's who believe in Thor the blacksmith of the gods. Where all these religions lying? Of course not, they were genuinly mistaken in some cases, and in other cases these mythologies have a long and complex process over which they develope.

Many stories in the bible (if not all) have almost matching versions already existing in now-extinct ancient religions. It's more than plausible that these stories were believed by those who held them, altered them a bit to fit into the bible, and continued the tradition.




For you he undoubtedly is. But not for me, sorry.

Your entitled to your opinion, you own it! :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

I know God does not exist because for the past few years I considered myself a Christian, wasn't nutty or anything, just tried to be decent to others and all that jazz. After years of prayers not being answered, I've finally come to the realization that God only exists in our mind. It's given me a new look at religion, as a popular form of schizophrenia.

I know there are people out there that will defend their religion with everything they have, and the reason really just boils down to people not being able to accept death. It is very hard for humans to accept nothingness after they die, so as history has shown, humans have created fantastic stories about what happens after life, and religion is the guide on how to achieve that everlasting life. Of course religion can also be used to control people, after all, humans love to control others, but the primary drive to believe these fantastic stories that have absolutely no evidence of being true is from each person's inability to accept the nothing that comes after we die.

But what do I know, I'm just an atheist sinner that will burn forever right? lol I don't really care if that's what you believe, but every religious person should question their own beliefs more often. There are too many religious people that try so hard to push a religion they don't even really fully understand themselves onto others, it's ridiculous!

God bless you all! :)

Just curious, what's to fear if we're gonna fade into nothingness? If there's no pain afterwards, why would we fear death? No pain after death would still be better than the pain we suffer down here, so it would still be an upgrade in my opinion. Just sharing cause I don't believe out of fear of fading into nothingness. I believe cause I feel it's true. Peace! :jointsmile:

[Nailhead]

Just curious, what's to fear if we're gonna fade into nothingness? If there's no pain afterwards, why would we fear death? No pain after death would still be better than the pain we suffer down here, so it would still be an upgrade in my opinion. Just sharing cause I don't believe out of fear of fading into nothingness. I believe cause I feel it's true. Peace! :jointsmile:

Its not that people are afraid of it, it's that they can't comprehend non-existence. This is why throughout time humans have always created some sort of religion to deal with death. It's not so much that they are afraid of nothingness, but that their brain just cannot accept life to end for good when their heart stops beating. This is why so many people cling to the thought of an afterlife, they might not be involved with any particular religion, but they can't accept the thought of life, supernatural as well as physical, to come to an end.

This is also why people talk about burning for all eternity when referencing hell, however even the bible doesn't talk about that. The bible clearly says that hell is where you go to die, it never says you have everlasting life in hell, but people add that because they can't accept an end to their life. Fear has nothing to do with it, it's just that the human mind has a hard time comprehending nothing.

It's very easy for us to comprehend nothing before we are alive, but after life gets going and our brain starts functioning, we have a very hard time understanding how all this can come to an end, so rather than accept truth, we make up fantastic stories that make us look at death as only dying in the physical state, but living on in a supernatural. However, I don't believe that is true at all, I don't believe their is any supernatural, no matter how much I want to because it makes for some really great movies, I just don't believe it.

[Pass That Shit]

I believe that we are spiritual beings inside an earthly body. I don't think we will reach our full potential until our change come!
I'm confident and believe whole heartily that there is life after death. Life goes on! :jointsmile:

That's why I say it always comes down to faith. One person will put his/her facts together and consider in their heart what he/she feels is true, and then the next person will come to a completely different conclusion. That's part of life, we are all individuals.
Like the stars of heaven, we all shine differently. Peace! ;)

[Nailhead]

Faith really means being ignorant, and I say this as a person who once had the blind faith that the bible teaches Christians to posses. Blind faith got me nothing but a load of bills I am now struggling to re-pay. Where is God now when I scrape for change to get something to eat? Where is God now when I can't see a doctor because I can't even afford the co-pay? Or even my medicine? Why won't he just cure me like he did to the people in the bible?

The problem with Christians, (I'm using Christians as an example because these are who I know most, though I'm sure the same can be said about many other religions), is that they love to talk about how God will help us if we only sacrifice our earthly possessions and what not, but when somebody goes and does as they tell us to, God is never around when you really need him. So with ignorance, or as some call it, faith, they continue to do as they do waiting for some sort of righteous return on their investment.

The dumbest thing I ever did in my life was having faith, and I feel like such a moron for being so blind! God was so powerful around the times the bible was written, that is, back when record keeping technology was nothing more than telling and re-telling the story to your grandkids, but now he seems to have taken a backseat while the world falls apart, why is that? Where was God and his oh so awesome power when those Korean Christians were captured by terrorists, killing two of them? If God had the power to protect them, why didn't he use it?

Doesn't it seem odd to you that the stories from the bible talk about great powers being done in front of a lot of people, but now, God seems to only be active in people's personal lives, rather than making his presence known like he did back in the day?

[Pass That Shit]

You need to ask yourself, did you really have faith?

He has made his presence known, and he will make his presence known! :jointsmile:

Isn't it easy to blame him for all the wrong in your life?

[mfqr]

I know they are not metaphors. Neither is judgment day. I believe that God is righteous in his judgments. The lake of fire is also a reality, not a metaphor. Just for the record, I'm not saying that you're going there, cause I wouldn't know, just pointing out that the Lord is coming to judge the earth in righteousness! :jointsmile:

And by the way, you left out the biggest one of all. When God judged the earth with water, everyone perished except Noah and his family. Yes, I still feel he is a righteous judge.

So, if you cursed at your mother or father for any reason, you think it would be righteous for you to be put to death over it? That's not righteousness, that's insanity, my friend. A benevolent, righteous God would not demand people to be put to death over such trivial and simple matters. It's completely ridiculous, and it's even harder for me to believe that you'd support such a thing than believing in a God. You must not be much of a moral christian...

I find your mindset on this pretty strange. "Well, God said that is how it is to be, so it must be right, even if it means chopping people up into small pieces over things that can be solved in a non-violent way." Clearly, if God is so powerful, and has infinite intelligence, he should be able to come up with a plan other than killing innocent people. Sounds quite malevolent. But I guess religious people can't understand it. I've seen on youtube people posting a line something like "Those who do not believe in God will be blinded to the teachings of the Bible," or something like that. That's obviously just a self-defense of the Bible, to throw at non-believers, saying that they are blinded, and don't understand because they don't believe in it. Well, how I see it, it's quite the opposite. Those who believe in the Bible cannot see the completely ridiculous things in it, and the complete irrationality and repulsiveness of the bible. I mean no disrespect by saying this, I'm just saying it. I agree with Quantummist, religion is rather dangerous to mankind...

[mfqr]

Also, I posted those quotes because you didn't believe that the bible was sexist, so I showed you. I didn't forget any important ones. I just wanted to show you that there are many, not to show all of them in a single post. That post would be very, very, very long. Well, now you know why your wife believes in the bible, even with its obvious sexism. It's either because she hasn't read those parts, or have done what you did, and justified the support of it with ludicrous things like "I believe that God is righteous in his judgements, even though it can involve the massacre of a whole town, or chopping up people into little pieces."

[Pass That Shit]

So, if you cursed at your mother or father for any reason, you think it would be righteous for you to be put to death over it? That's not righteousness, that's insanity, my friend. A benevolent, righteous God would not demand people to be put to death over such trivial and simple matters. It's completely ridiculous, and it's even harder for me to believe that you'd support such a thing than believing in a God. You must not be much of a moral christian...

I find your mindset on this pretty strange. "Well, God said that is how it is to be, so it must be right, even if it means chopping people up into small pieces over things that can be solved in a non-violent way." Clearly, if God is so powerful, and has infinite intelligence, he should be able to come up with a plan other than killing innocent people. Sounds quite malevolent. But I guess religious people can't understand it. I've seen on youtube people posting a line something like "Those who do not believe in God will be blinded to the teachings of the Bible," or something like that. That's obviously just a self-defense of the Bible, to throw at non-believers, saying that they are blinded, and don't understand because they don't believe in it. Well, how I see it, it's quite the opposite. Those who believe in the Bible cannot see the completely ridiculous things in it, and the complete irrationality and repulsiveness of the bible. I mean no disrespect by saying this, I'm just saying it. I agree with Quantummist, religion is rather dangerous to mankind...

I agree with you, religion is VERY dangerous to mankind!
That's why I'm not part of any! :jointsmile:

[Nailhead]

You need to ask yourself, did you really have faith?

He has made his presence known, and he will make his presence known! :jointsmile:

Isn't it easy to blame him for all the wrong in your life?

Typical Christian response, you assume anyone that was once a fellow Christian to have fallen away to never have been a strong Christian to begin with. My friend, I have spent far more money on blind faith than most people do, Christian or not. Few Christians have the faith I had, how many times have you given money to someone even though you knew you really needed it, but did so because you knew they needed it too and you felt God would repay you?

I also don't see how you accuse me of blaming the wrong in my life on God, that is, something I don't believe exists. I would be a hypocrite if I said I don't believe in God, but then blame the bad things in my life on God. I don't blame the problems in my life on anybody but myself. It was myself that was naive enough to believe in the fantasies taught by the Christian religion, and it was pure stupidity to hand over my future to a super-being that has never been proven to exist.

He has never made his presence known, you only believe he has because that is what the bible tells you has happened, however NOTHING has ever been documented to prove God exists, rather, as science and technology advance, and we understand more and more about our true origins, everything we have been taught must be re-examined and Christians are trying their best to figure out how to fit God in with the contradictions their religion is tied in with.

I have to admit this argument makes me laugh because not more than a few months ago I was making the exact same type of argument rebuttals when defending Christianity - that is, that anybody that doesn't see his presence just aren't religious enough, or that basic attitude that you really don't know how to respond so you just keep on talking about how much you believe.

It's ok, I don't mind it, I completely understand where you are coming from, and I just hope someday you will see the truth :)

[mfqr]

I believe that we are spiritual beings inside an earthly body. I don't think we will reach our full potential until our change come!
I'm confident and believe whole heartily that there is life after death. Life goes on! :jointsmile:

That's why I say it always comes down to faith. One person will put his/her facts together and consider in their heart what he/she feels is true, and then the next person will come to a completely different conclusion. That's part of life, we are all individuals.
Like the stars of heaven, we all shine differently. Peace! ;)

That's a bit different than religion. While it's cool for people to be open-minded and have their own beliefs... religion is not your own belief. For anyone to believe that there is an invisible, almighty God, that has infinite power, and is omnipotent, it usually takes something called "indoctrination" (to put it nicely).

Christians, and especially Evangelical christians, are indoctrinating children to their beliefs. It's all teached in a biased way, and another view is never given except it's because of "God." Now, if you consider how children generally are... they really have no idea or reference of any other belief. So if you give them this idea from a young age, before they start to form their own opinions etc., they almost have no choice but to accept that belief - since they don't have any other references of how the world is. It's all brainwashing. The Bible also fits the definition of "propaganda" perfectly.

[GROWin GRACE]

Typical Christian response, you assume anyone that was once a fellow Christian to have fallen away to never have been a strong Christian to begin with. My friend, I have spent far more money on blind faith than most people do, Christian or not. Few Christians have the faith I had, how many times have you given money to someone even though you knew you really needed it, but did so because you knew they needed it too and you felt God would repay you?

I also don't see how you accuse me of blaming the wrong in my life on God, that is, something I don't believe exists. I would be a hypocrite if I said I don't believe in God, but then blame the bad things in my life on God. I don't blame the problems in my life on anybody but myself. It was myself that was naive enough to believe in the fantasies taught by the Christian religion, and it was pure stupidity to hand over my future to a super-being that has never been proven to exist.

He has never made his presence known, you only believe he has because that is what the bible tells you has happened, however NOTHING has ever been documented to prove God exists, rather, as science and technology advance, and we understand more and more about our true origins, everything we have been taught must be re-examined and Christians are trying their best to figure out how to fit God in with the contradictions their religion is tied in with.

I have to admit this argument makes me laugh because not more than a few months ago I was making the exact same type of argument rebuttals when defending Christianity - that is, that anybody that doesn't see his presence just aren't religious enough, or that basic attitude that you really don't know how to respond so you just keep on talking about how much you believe.

It's ok, I don't mind it, I completely understand where you are coming from, and I just hope someday you will see the truth :)

wait, u had strong faith, but now there's no proof of god?
GROWin GRACE

[Nailhead]

Christians, and especially Evangelical christians, are indoctrinating children to their beliefs. It's all teached in a biased way, and another view is never given except it's because of "God." Now, if you consider how children generally are... they really have no idea or reference of any other belief. So if you give them this idea from a young age, before they start to form their own opinions etc., they almost have no choice but to accept that belief - since they don't have any other references of how the world is. It's all brainwashing. The Bible also fits the definition of "propaganda" perfectly.


I disagree, those people brought up from birth as a Christian usually are the weakest Christians of them all. They put on a good Christian face on sundays, but in their private time they rebel and do anything non-christian.

There are people that are fake Christians, and those that really do act as the bible teaches. Few people really act as Christians are taught to, few Christians even read the bible. I'd say maybe 1% or so of people that go to church are really a true Christian, maybe less than that. Most people do not follow any of the teachings at all, they just pick and choose a few things of what to follow, usually they just do what the preacher tells them to do, which in many cases is NOT what the bible teaches.

Main example, the entire Catholic religion. The bible clearly says not to call anyone other than God "father", the bible says not to lavish yourselves in riches, the pope does this, and of course....who the hell is the pope? Christians are supposed to worship God, nobody else, especially human! lol I mean seriously if you actually read through the bible it clearly teaches to do exactly what the Catholic religion does all the time! I have never understood this! Maybe somebody can try to explain it to me, I don't know any Catholics myself so I'm just an outsider peeking in, but Christians don't seem to ever care about being lumped in with Catholics and many their traditions and teachings have come from the Catholic church.

[Nailhead]

wait, u had strong faith, but now there's no proof of god?
GROWin GRACE

As I said earlier, I had blind faith, aka, ignorance. I didn't need proof of God to believe, I had my faith and that was enough. It was foolish and very dumb, but unfortunately that is how many people of religion believe, (not just Christianity).

[Nailhead]

I just want to add that I hope I'm not offending anybody here, I have many friends of all sorts of religions and I have no problem with their beliefs and I wouldn't talk about things like this unless they asked and wanted to participate in a discussion like this. If anybody is offended sorry, I haven't been offended by others either, but I think it's just because I'm usually medicated when visiting here :P hehe

We all have a right to believe what we want to believe, I would only have a serious issue with someone if they were trying to tell me how I live is somehow bad or immoral, but so far I feel this discussion has been going over pretty maturely and I'm enjoying it! I like talking about this stuff, hope you do too :)

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

I believe in God but could you tell me, in one sentence, why God does exist?

[Moomike777]

God is the imaginary friend for grown ups

[duffydawn]

I think everyone is a bit of a god..
The mind, the spirit...and were all massively connected...kind of like a big grid of consciousness. And in all actuality we are endlessly connected to god. Plus "god" is easily misinterpreted! Perhaps god is very much apart of us..How else can you explain your connection to this wonderful existence of thought and perception! it literally echoes everywhere!

[Nailhead]

What I'd really like to know is why people of other religions care so much about what others believe. I don't care if you worship Jesus or Micky Mouse, I don't even mind listening to you go on about your religion, but why do some people insist on making me believe the same crap they believe? If God is really as super powerful as his followers say, then he has the power to contact me if my soul is really worth it.

What I also don't understand, but I do find amusing, is when these annoying pricks trying to get you to join their god cult threaten you with hell, a place I don't even believe in. How far up your own ass can your head be when you can't understand that threatening somebody with eternal damnation doesn't work when they don't even believe in heaven or hell? It's like these people just can't comprehend my mentality of actually not believing the crap they believe and fear lol. And like I said, if you are afraid of some fantasy land told to you by your parents, fine, but until you come to me with some burn marks or any other sort of proof of this place's existence, stop trying to scare me with it! lol

[wickerbill]

Quantum Physics:upsidedow:detective1:

[doublefatstrat]

God does not exist because, if one studies the bible, and builds up a profile of the kind of character he was made up to be, we see that the human race in its current state is of far superior intelligence to "god", and that he or she was, by todays standards, quite stupid.
One can only assume that god and his rules/ideologies are so stupid and utterly senseless, because he was created by people thousands of years ago who were themselves very stupid.
anyway, I'm sure this rant doesn't make much sense, and I can't be bothered explaining it so it actually would.

[HighTillIDie]

i found another amazing reason to be a skeptic of religous texts,

watch the movie in my sig, tell me what YOU think

[doublefatstrat]

man, its just gone 12am over here, I need some sleep pretty bad. but after watching the first minute of that, looks like it could be worth a watch ;)
I'll get around to it some time tomorrow, if I remember >_>

[[E]upho[RIC]]

If you guys cannot become connected with The Source then you are truly missing out on a high that NO strain of marijuana would be able to give you. Go do some research on spiritualist and their uses of psychadelics and how they are one in the same. Wish you luck. Evolve yourselves.

[cdub]

Proving the existence of God deductively is impossible. Equally, proving God does not exist is impossible.

[krazy chino]

well said cdub.......i choose to believe we have a creator, a God.......but we'll see when we die

[bhouncy]

i found another amazing reason to be a skeptic of religous texts,

watch the movie in my sig, tell me what YOU think

Good movie. I didn't let myself get carried away but I think everyone should get a view of this just to give another side to the story. I guessed the 12 was something to do with the zodiac but didn't realize that jesus represented the sun. I just hope we are now entering an enlightened age but I've got a feeling it could go either way and we might end up in another dark age.

[Chronicles]

God does exist, because I've been blessed on far too many occassions when no other way was possible. Being blessd with love. From survivng accidents and traumatic situations, to overcoming mental diseases, finding favor in people, having the true power of prayer manifest itself. Reaping true benfit through real faith, which is realer then belief.

Belief is the idea, as some said, thus belief is not enough. I KNOW God exists. No affirmation, no religion, no self deception, only pure. Living the blessing to be able to benefit from true spiritual understanding and wisdom.

Having guidance into what became clear benefical direction, apart from ways of my own thinking. Salvation, deliverance. The blessing of Forgivness. To be able to forgive as well as be forgiven. The ability to be able to reach people through love and empowerment. The ability to be able to create. From life to art that effects life and emotions. Such as music, poetry, film, architecture, all the way down to intangibles. Impact on positivity. hope. Faith. The ability and blessing of being able to have faith in the blessing, believe in the promise (beyond normal perception of the word believe) despite having issues with no solution, then the manifestation of that faith and reward of victory, overcoming.

The ability to see beyond carnality. The gift of discernment. The showering of blessings of far more then I can think to lost, even though I can go a lot further then here.

I know many don't apply patience, so i'll settle this down. But there are too many reason God does exist. From what i just listed even down to your typical questions like "If he doesn't exist, who invented the sun, skies and stars, etc?"

So who did?

Bush?

I pray you'll one day see.

If you open your hearts for a second to allow God to prove his existence to you, you'll easily change.

HE won;t subject Himself to vain challanges. If you really have or will grow to have an honest attempt to find the truth without bias/preset judgment/opinions, you'll definitely grow.

Don't let people stand in your way...find out for yourself.

Pray and listen.

Lisetn.

Listen... He will speak, to the spirit through the spirit.
You may question it now, you'll understand when it happens, if your heart is real enough to receive.

So let yourself receive.

[bhouncy]

God does exist, because I've been blessed on far too many occassions when no other way was possible. Being blessd with love. From survivng accidents and traumatic situations, to overcoming mental diseases, finding favor in people, having the true power of prayer manifest itself. Reaping true benfit through real faith, which is realer then belief.

There are over 6 billion people on this planet. Some die the second they are born. Some die when they reach 120. And then there's all the other people in between. Some people have perfect health. Some lose their legs. Some win lottery. People overcome all manner of difficulties in their lives and have no concept of a God.

I'm not saying that a creator doesn't exist but claiming that it does based on some 'normal' events happening in your life is like saying there is a god because you can hold your breath under water for 43 seconds.

[cdub]

However, the law of gravity cannot be "proved" as such, but that does not make it reasonable to jump from a tower expecting to fly.

If I were to place a bet on the Pascal wager I think I will choose to believe. If you place your bet in the existence of God and determine to seek him, you lose nothing, even if it turns out that God does not exist and there is no life after death after all. But if you bet against God and abandon searching for him, and he does exist and rewards those who seek him, you lose everything.

[bhouncy]

However, the law of gravity cannot be "proved" as such, but that does not make it reasonable to jump from a tower expecting to fly.

If I were to place a bet on the Pascal wager I think I will choose to believe. If you place your bet in the existence of God and determine to seek him, you lose nothing, even if it turns out that God does not exist and there is no life after death after all. But if you bet against God and abandon searching for him, and he does exist and rewards those who seek him, you lose everything.

and if you abandon this god you speak of and everyone who believed is tortured violently and you are given the rewards then you made a wise choice. And if you want to question the validity of this claim then ask the same question to your idea of what happens after you die.

[Mohksha]

God doesn't exist because every God-based religion bans rational discourse on the existence of god.

[cdub]

Due to our limited minds, the nature of the issue we are dealing with puts proof practically out of the question.

[greenhorngrower]

god is an idea.

I would like to think the universe has a designer.. but perhaps not.. perhaps its just completely arbitrary and has no meaning.. But it seems to perfect not to... its like we are living in a virtual system created by intelligent conciousness. Perhaps we are the gods, and we create our own worlds as we go along.

Perhaps heaven and hell are here right now.. its just a choice, and whatever we truly believe manifests itself onto us, and all of our worlds are created through our perceptions of things. We are constantly switching into different realities that fit our deepest beliefs, our conciousness traveling into another realm or universe slightly different.. that yields a reality that fits our needs for belief/perception. Where mind meets reality. And reality is consistently being rearanged for all of us always. If you have ever read about quantum cosmology or parallel universes... it seems to fit the criteria.

This forum is pretty sick.. you guys have alotta interesting philosophical threads.. could read through these threads all day.

[WeedTillDeath]

If you choose to believe in a god for whatever reason I ask this one question: Why your god and not the thousands of others through history. John Lennon said it best when he said god is how we measure our pain. But humans will never accomplish what we're truly capable of until we throw away our childish beliefs in "higher powers" and realize that we are our higher power. To me it is not a virtue to believe in something that cannot be proven, except by our "feelings". And if there is an omnipotent they surely can't be worth much with the way the world is going today. This ill-conceived notion of a god rules our world and causes many wars, and why not? If you truly believe in god why wouldn't one fight for the "truth"?
For instance, if a christian believes the bible to be the word of god why aren't we still stoning people for their sins as god commanded? Because we have EVOLVED dramatically from the glib twits of the bible and we realize that certain commandments don't fit well in the society of today. One day we will realize this considering the idea of god, which in ancient times was created to keep people in fear and controlling them...read history it's actually quite informing.

[beachguy in thongs]

Here's an option:

God expects us to evolve, and, as we do, we will no longer need things like second-eyelids, webs on our hands and feet, arms, legs, and, thumbs. We will be able to control everything with our brain.

Maybe, God spoke to these people of their eventual outcome. A bunch of brains floating in a room, mentally stoning another who doesn't follow the rules.

If we skip all this "evolving" stuff, and look to distinguish every person by their brain...

What a world we live in.

[BeforeYourTime]

i found another amazing reason to be a skeptic of religous texts,

watch the movie in my sig, tell me what YOU think

Thats a good video. And probably very close to the truth.

I wonder how many narrow minded religious people turned it off after 20 minutes or less because the truth scares them.

Humans knew of astrology and the sun 5000 years ago. Religion as is known today only hinders the human race and provides power and money to brainwashers.

[HighTillIDie]

Thats a good video. And probably very close to the truth.

I wonder how many narrow minded religious people turned it off after 20 minutes or less because the truth scares them.

Humans knew of astrology and the sun 5000 years ago. Religion as is known today only hinders the human race and provides power and money to brainwashers.

i have shown this now, to about 9 of my good friends, and they just don't want to hear it... they get bored, or aggravated with it after about 20-25 mins...

lol, baaaaaaa, baaaaaa

damn sheep

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK WE, WHO QUESTION, ARE CRAZY... and that our findings are wrong, and impossible

why do some people refuse to look past the smoke and mirrors... instead you tell them about smoke and mirrors, and they reply i like my illusion, and sit back down to it's control....

i am baffled by peoples refusal to really peice together all the facts given to them by the world, society, and nature

i don't get it... it is clear as day when you find it

[delusionsofNORMALity]

i don't get it... it is clear as day when you find it
this may seem hard to believe, but they say the exact same thing. neither belief nor disbelief is completely logical. when opposing sides meet to discuss the matter they each say their piece, consider each other fools, and go on their merry ways. if we're lucky it doesn't come to blows, but in the long run neither side will ever win the argument.
:hippy:

[Quantummist]

this may seem hard to believe, but they say the exact same thing. neither belief nor disbelief is completely logical.

Non belief is very logical, has a logical historical time line, has logical evidence, follows existing provable logical facts and does not require the the suspension of rational thought to make the argument.

The same cannot be said for believing..

Just because some are incapable of logical thought, does not mean that logic fails..

[delusionsofNORMALity]

it probably should have read "neither the belief in god nor the denial of the existence of god...." the point being that there can never be indisputable evidence for either position. both sides must take a leap of faith at some point to come to their conclusions. it's an unanswerable question, but an interesting subject to debate.

[bhouncy]

it probably should have read "neither the belief in god nor the denial of the existence of god...." the point being that there can never be indisputable evidence for either position. both sides must take a leap of faith at some point to come to their conclusions. it's an unanswerable question, but an interesting subject to debate.

To tell the truth I think it's pointless because one side will be happy with a fairy tale and the other side will dig their heels in with the lack of evidence. A few might jump ship either way but I think the whole thing is a just a big distraction. In fact this is my last post on here for a long while again. I just need to get away from the madness of crowds and do my own thing. Peace.

[Krishwag]

why does anything "exist"? beacuse it can be completely described universally through our human senses, unlike god; to put it simply: the only reason you perceive your "reality" to be real is because you can taste, touch, hear it, etc. and so can everyone else, whereas god can exist in many different conflicting forms at once, and can only be "percieved" mentally.

well that's my really mindbending explanation anyway...I've got tons of others.

[WeedTillDeath]

"Non-belief" does not require any evidence until "belief" provides evidence. When a person asks me to prove there is no god I automatically know the intelligence of the person I'm debating. I don't have to prove there is NOT a pink elephant in my living room until someone proves its existence first. Believers in god have an incredible burden, because they know they will never be able to prove their beliefs until their death.
I actually feel completely safe in my assumptions of the cosmos. If there was compelling evidence that a god revealed themselves to us than I would be forced to change my ideas. However, with believers in god we could navigate every inch of the universe and find nothing but planets, stars, gases, etc and they would still be convinvced that god exists; they may just change their definition of god. This is not logic, reason, intelligent or any other word that would describe a person who has individual thoughts. It just shows you how deep-rooted brainwashing can really be.

[hero3279]

There are too many religions. Who is to know which one is right? And if you guess wrong, you go to hell. What if your religion is the wrong one? Through what fault of your own? You were BORN into that religion. Load of crap.

[Kn1vez]

What about the possibility that a divine being both exists, and does not exist? This universe is made up primarily of matter. What if the Big Bang not only created our universe, but destroyed another universe before it? What if the other universe was made of antimatter? What if there is more than one universe, all coexisting at the same time? Would there be one God per universe? I could go on and on, but I believe that there is more to reality than what we perceive. Perhaps a divine being exists, not only beyond our perception, but beyond our concepts of what universes or realities are.

[IForgotAgain]

I dunno if someone answered this already as i was to lazy to read all the posts (I am not defending the religion, merely giving information). I talked to a Theologist who answers the questions of religious skeptics and I guess God doesn't want or allow bad thigns to happen but rather he MUST let them happen because according to the bible when god created us he gave us the option of free will. If he really loved us, which the bible proclaims he did, then he had to give us the ability to act for ourselves. With as much good as he gave us to be good people even great people, he also gave us just as much potential to be bad/evil. It's up to you to do what you want with it I suppose. Therefor God does not support violent action, but rather is powerless to stop it because it interferes with our free will and thus makes God appear not to genuinly love us.

Sounds to me like God is afraid of being called a hypocrite so he lets us kill eachother in his name as acts of religious violence...

[slavetopot]

I have never once seen God bail anyone out of any dicey situation. The last reported time was Moses and the parting of the Red Sea, and now the historians tell us the story of Israeli enslavement was a crock â?? implying that so was the parting of the Red Sea.

God certainly turned his back on the slaves, on the Jews in the concentration camps and on the children of Iraq.

Yet this myth persists by constant repetition that God will unfailingly come to the rescue.

There is nobody here but us chickens when it comes to rescue. We have to get ourselves out of our own scrapes. Contrary to popular opinion, religion is the last thing we need to make this a better world.

The other irresponsibility problem with religion is that it leads people to imagine that life here on earth is unimportant. What counts is the eternal hereafter. There is almost no evidence there is an eternal hereafter. Even if there were, surely looking after earth properly would be good practice for looking after heaven.

[Nailhead]

^Exactly, since I've finally come to the realization that religion is nothing but a popular form of schizophrenia, I've realized how precious life is. It's very strange, as a Christian I was always under the delusion that this life is insignificant compared to what happens after I die, but now I realize how backwards I was thinking!

I'm sure even atheists probably can't agree on what they each believe happens after we die, but for me, I pretty much figure it's the same thing we were doing before we were born, that is, not in existence anymore. It's hard to comprehend nothing, but I really don't believe we have a soul or do anything but feed worms after we die. That kind of thinking makes you appreciate life more than when you convince yourself you are going to lala land as long as you go to church once a week.

[beachguy in thongs]

I have never once seen God bail anyone out of any dicey situation.

Thanks! I'm glad to say that I'm alive because of me, and only me. It was me, and me, alone, who said I shall wake up and live life, again.

I'm glad that you gave me all the credit.

[floridachronic]

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs (http://www.godisimaginary.com)


50 reasons why god/jesus does not exist.

[talkingmonkey]

God does exist - it is we who do not exist

[Agressor1]

We are all one.

[Gundari]

God does not exist because his own teachings are hypocritical and contradictory.

[benvortec]

as the saying goes: "it doesn't matter if you don't believe in God, because HE believes in you" ... and in the 'End', "every knee shall bend, every head shall bow, and know Jesus Christ is Son of the Living God " ... :)

haha and then everybody that didn't get baptized burns in hell for eternity! lol :smokin:

[GodBud]

God does exist because I said so!

[kshchrn831]

God is a scare tactic for a 'better' society.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

What if I make a several page argument against God, but all in one big run-on sentence? All within the rules, right?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

What if I make a several page argument against God, but all in one big run-on sentence? All within the rules, right?
we'd all run out of patience after the first page and you'd be burned at the stake just on general principles.:hippy:

[Turtlez]

god does not exist, because we made him up. anybody who doesnt realize that, should serioulsly sit down and think

[Gundari]

we'd all run out of patience after the first page and you'd be burned at the stake just on general principles.:hippy:


Ah yes...everyone knows that witches can only write ridiculously long run-on sentences.

[boybuds]

Will I get booted if I post a reason God DOES exist?

Here it is:

You exist
The Universe exists
Love exists
Conciousness exists
Peace Exists (Yes it does!)
Evolution Exists

...and the topper?

There is a you, to be aware of there being a you, or "I think, therfore I am"

In other words, even if your word is not "God", you must still believe in a Universe that created you, and in which consciousness dwells (unless maybe you're not conscious, and don't exist!) ;-0

[Adolf Smittler]

god exists because i want him to
god exists because when i feel something when i pray (meditate, etc.) and assume it's him
god exists because i don't know what i'd do without him
god exists because mommy and daddy said so
god exists because doubting is rough on my brain
god exists because "look around man. do you think all this (gestures around) just appeared 14-20 billion years ago out of nowhere? no, god poofed it into existence a few thousand years ago (contrary to the fossil record, carbon dating, prehistoric records (such as cave paintings and shit), logic, common sense, astronomic observation, the contradictions in the very book that describes him, and so on and so forth)

[Adolf Smittler]

Will I get booted if I post a reason God DOES exist?

Here it is:

You exist
The Universe exists
Love exists
Conciousness exists
Peace Exists (Yes it does!)
Evolution Exists

...and the topper?

There is a you, to be aware of there being a you, or "I think, therfore I am"

In other words, even if your word is not "God", you must still believe in a Universe that created you, and in which consciousness dwells (unless maybe you're not conscious, and don't exist!) ;-0

the universe did not necessarily "create" us so much as it produced us. a cornstalk does not create corn; it does not put thought or love into the corn, it produces corn because it must, as the laws of physics dictate it should (please don't make me clarify that's a lot of explaining). likewise, a certain group of molecules must energized by, say, a bolt of lightning, fuse to make a more complex molecule (with by-products) because the conditions demanded it. thus consciousness arises from nature, not the reverse

[yokinazu]

god exists
god created man and the universe 5000 yrs ago
the world is flat
earth is at the center of the universe
witches weigh less than ducks

[4osiris]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

Agreed. Reality is nothing but a disguise for the horrible truth. Infinite intelligence by design with no benefits or repercussions towards a benevolently supreme creative force(s).

[sociobud]

Marx said it best, religion is just an opiate that humans created to help them through the grudges of daily life.

[greenhorngrower]

religion and all that other bullshit aside.. this is one crazy as place we are in.. what a incomprehensibly large universe.. so strange, not a religion nor a language in the world could ever have words to explain it.. fuck what any human tells you.. they all have the same feeble minds.. not fit to understand the complexities of existence.. like a fish trying to understand the water in wich it swims.. the rabbit hole never ends..

[Ssjones1]

God doesn't exist because I don't need fairy tells to get me through the day, I have weed for that.

[Quantummist]

religion and all that other bullshit aside.. this is one crazy as place we are in.. what a incomprehensibly large universe.. so strange, not a religion nor a language in the world could ever have words to explain it.. fuck what any human tells you.. they all have the same feeble minds.. not fit to understand the complexities of existence.. like a fish trying to understand the water in wich it swims.. the rabbit hole never ends..

Why do you think the Universe Incomprehensible? It seems easly definable on most aspects and only a few details have yet to be fully defined.. The only aspects I see as Incomprehensible is 1 milisecond after the BB and back... And anything 1 nanometer outside it.... Other that that all other aspects are fully Comprehensible .. We just have yet to reach that point...

[slavetopot]

That is a load of shit, how can you have free-will and believe in this God, besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be omnipotent.:stoned:

I think it is just one big fairy tail, and one more question, why does this dude God always need money, WTF is that about. Your God make some damn money dude. :wtf:

[kingjustin]

God doesn't exist because the dinosaurs died out...:(. And who would want to be dino-less?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

God doesn't exist because of all members, Cliff Burton had to Die; and that sent Metallica down the tubes :(

[Coelho]

You disbelievers will burn in the deep flames of hell!

[Coelho]

Why do you think the Universe Incomprehensible? It seems easly definable on most aspects and only a few details have yet to be fully defined.. The only aspects I see as Incomprehensible is 1 milisecond after the BB and back... And anything 1 nanometer outside it.... Other that that all other aspects are fully Comprehensible .. We just have yet to reach that point...

As more we know, more we know how much we dont know... (Said Socrates)
So, if anybody thinks it knows very much... how much it actually knows?

[raghead]

Has anyone said god doesnt exist because weed is illegal yet?

[Adolf Smittler]

god doesn't exist because jimi hendrix died

[Lifesrun]

Greetings,

One must have faith...the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen...

YHVH Bless

[greenhorngrower]

Why do you think the Universe Incomprehensible? It seems easly definable on most aspects and only a few details have yet to be fully defined.. The only aspects I see as Incomprehensible is 1 milisecond after the BB and back... And anything 1 nanometer outside it.... Other that that all other aspects are fully Comprehensible .. We just have yet to reach that point...


Only a few details? hah.. those details are only some of the most important aspects to be explained, and yet physics has been unsatisfactory in coming up with any explaination for where the universe comes from other than a larger ocean of universes.. most of cosmological physics is theoretical anyhow.. much like setting blind faith into a belief because of fragments of supportive evidence.. thats just not enough for me... tell me, where did the universe come from? what created it? what happened before the big bang? Or better yet.. Do we have free will?

None of those could be answered with our means of logic.. and even if you did, it would simply bring more questions to light.. Always more questions... I believe in science and logic, but human logic is to weak to ever understand the whole..

Once you come up with a unified theory.. other than superstring.. you'll have a better argument..:thumbsup:

[yoda]

God exists because how else would there even be the concept of earth?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

God exists because how else would there even be the concept of earth?

I think nobody knows what, exactly, that means yoda:wtf:

[greenhorngrower]

God exists because how else would there even be the concept of earth?


or any concepts at all

[Mr. Clandestine]

God doesn't exist because of all members, Cliff Burton had to Die; and that sent Metallica down the tubes :(

Who would you have preferred in his stead? James? Nah, there'd be no Metallica without his voice & rhythm. Kirk? Nope, without those Joe Satriani-esque leads, the songs wouldn't have been complete.

Lars? Hmm...annoying little Dutch crybaby, who never was that great on drums, and probably should have stuck with tennis? Bingo, I think we have a winner! :D

I won't blame God for this, but I will blame fate...and Sweden. He was amazing, Cliff Em All speaks volumes.

[TryptamineScape]

God does not exist because this thread has 27 pages of nonsensical sentences. I helped make it that way.

[Bongoman]

God does not exist because he/she would have to be more complex than the thing it explains (the universe), therefore needing its own creator.

[Hardcore Newbie]

God does not exist because he/she would have to be more complex than the thing it explains (the universe), therefore needing its own creator.Nuh-uh! God is outside of the universe, therefore it makes sense.... somehow.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

God exists because how else would there even be the concept of earth?
so, god exists because ideas exist? you are essentially saying, "i think, therefore god is" and are setting yourself up as the center of the universe. such hubris is the reason the god-myth was created in the first place.

[Cyclonite]

They are all just books....written for people by people to control people. As time gos on people will become more intelligent and aware of truths and myths (I hope). Religion should become less and less of an influence in everyone's lives as humans evolve.

I believe everyone that is religious is so for 3 reasons.

1. Hardwired and brain washed that way as a child from parents or other authority figures

2. Traumatic experience...no one to turn to or give hope but "god"

3. Simply can't accept that some things are simply unknown at this point in time...so god is the answer.

[nuttymcshthd]

There is no god because then one would have to explain the creation of god; all we know for now is that we are somewhere in space and that everything is made from different forms of energy.

God = Energy until proven otherwise. :thumbsup:

[ghosty]

God does not exist (in the biblical sense) because that inconsistent and often self-contradicting view was made by people long ago who felt a need to label and control that which we do not understand.

[psychocat]

God does not exist because if he did then I wouldn't. :D :thumbsup:

[sammer]

God most certainly does exist. All around us. God is the lifeforce which drives the consciousness into your body. Did you create the first strand of DNA, which came to earth and evolved into every living species on the planet including plants fish mammals and bacteria? No, god made the first DNA molecule, and put it on Earth. It is hard for me to believe that DNA was created by chemicals mixing in bubbles in the ocean, which is the current scientific consensus...If this is so then why can we not create DNA of our own in a test tube? I believe DNA was crafted by something, and most likely spread throughout the universe, onto trillions upon trillions of habitable worlds.

[Joefarmer]

God does not exist because they didn't have laboratories back then, so he could not have created D N A.

[sammer]

Dna was created somehow billions of years ago, and this did not occur randomly in my opinion.

[Immolation]

For the same reason the Flying spaghetti monster Does Not Exist.

[BlueBlazer]

â??The world is like a ride in an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it's very brightly colored and it's very loud and it's fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question: "Is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, "Hey, don't worry, don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride." And we kill those people.â?� ~ Bill Hicks

[JackdaWack]

Sammer, the meer fact that u recognize DNA enforces the laws of evolution. If you bothered to even look up the scientific findings behind DNA, which is pretty much endless, you wouldn't bother to write such idiotic opinions. I'm not trying to be hurtful, but from someone who actually studies DNA ur far off base. If u bothered to even understand what DNA is and how its evolved, u'd probably get a better idea of what ur talking about. And again u noted billions of years our mother earth is very old, much older then the claims of many religions. And again we can make DNA in a test tube. LOL wow u really just wrote that all out ur ass. Mitochondrial DNA actually contains bacterial DNA, proof of evolution in its fullest.


If god created the earth on the 1st day and man on some other friggen day, then where the hell did all these fossils come from?

[FoxyLady420]

god does not exist because if he did, i would have already bitch slapped him.

ahahahahhahahahahha ... you made my day :)

[cannamanibus]

A God does exist, B/c miracles happen.:thumbsup: It's made me a believer.

[cannamanibus]

God does not exist because if he did then I wouldn't. :D :thumbsup:

But this is a good point also. :)

[sammer]

Sammer, the meer fact that u recognize DNA enforces the laws of evolution. If you bothered to even look up the scientific findings behind DNA, which is pretty much endless, you wouldn't bother to write such idiotic opinions. I'm not trying to be hurtful, but from someone who actually studies DNA ur far off base. If u bothered to even understand what DNA is and how its evolved, u'd probably get a better idea of what ur talking about. And again u noted billions of years our mother earth is very old, much older then the claims of many religions. And again we can make DNA in a test tube. LOL wow u really just wrote that all out ur ass. Mitochondrial DNA actually contains bacterial DNA, proof of evolution in its fullest.


If god created the earth on the 1st day and man on some other friggen day, then where the hell did all these fossils come from?

Well then Mr high and mighty why don't you fill us in on the scientific explanation of how life came to be on Earth? I have done my research and the scientific explanation seemed like a bunch of simplified hogwash in my opinion. I never argued against the fact that the Earth is billions of years old. I know this. And fossils are extremely important relics which allow us to comprehend the vastness of the tree of life. I never argued against evolution. It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever that life could emerge spontaneously on Earth. It makes more sense to me that whatever started evolution was constructed by something infinitely more intelligent that us, and put on Earth billions of years ago. I did not write that "out of my ass", it is my opinion, fool...

[Cocobud]

When I was a kid, my beloved puppy caught distemper and died a slow horrible death.
If there was an entity that would deliberately create an incurable condition like distemper and give it to a little boys puppy, than he's a real fucking cruel prick.

[sammer]

When I was a kid, my beloved puppy caught distemper and died a slow horrible death.
If there was an entity that would deliberately create an incurable condition like distemper and give it to a little boys puppy, than he's a real fucking cruel prick.

Yes a god may seem cruel but I think these tragedies are a cost we must pay in order to experience to the gift of life. Perhaps all life came to earth in a DNA probe sent through space. In that case god would be an alien culture. If life molecules were sent through interstellar space to Earth by aliens (causing evolution to start on Earth), I wouldn't consider them cruel just because some of the things which occur here are sad and terrible. In my opinion god is not a being but an entire race of beings infinitely more technologically advanced than us who took it upon themselves to spread life through the galaxy and possibly other galaxies.

[adam876]

theres no proof for the non-existance for god....

[adam876]

I like the following dialogue (paraphrased from a book "the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman i think):

Q: Where are you right now?
A: Here at the gas station.
Q: But where is that?
A: Los Angels.
Q: And where is that?
A: The U.S.
(this goes on until they get to the Universe.)
Then the guy asks, So where is the Universe? And comes to the conclusion that ultimately you have no idea where the universe (and yourself) is, how it got here (all science tells us is that for some reason a dense ball of matter exploded and continues to expand), why it exists, and yet your going to come up with all these ideas of what you should be doing ,whats right and wrong and so on, that something beyond us does not exist.

[adam876]

Oh and about sammers DNA thing. I dont think he is arguing with evolution . And at least I am not. The idea that some being in outer space or heaven thought about creating people and just did it is absurd. However if we say that God is an energy that is infinite, and is the source of all creation and is constantly creating everything, is not crazy. You look at any solid surface and even yourself at its base, you will find its all just energy.
Then what conclusions can you reach?

[sammer]

Adam I completely agree with you, god is present in the life force and energy that surrounds us and in the dna.

[BlueBlazer]

That's pretty much the concept embodied by the Tao.

Taoist beliefs (non-mystical that is) have no personal god, but rather a unifying and ordering force throughout creation that everything is a part of.

Had a Chinese friend who stated it this way, "if you think you understand the Tao . . . you don't"

[Flesh420]

The "god" of the good book could not exist, why would something so powerfull bring its self down to the level of man. Are we really that important? Doubt it.

[lxgoffxi]

God does exist and every knee shall bow before him upon death. You'll see.
:thumbsup:

[Vancefish]

In the United States Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers based our "Rights" as God given. Structured this way, a man (or future Government) could not take your Rights away. Unless he was believed to be better then "God" him/herself.

Personally (although not really religious) I believe in some form of "higher" entity looking down on us. As well as (on occasion) stepping in to "steer" us, or create what we see as a miracle.

I'm not sure I CAN believe there is nothing. Plus I DO NOT believe a "man" or "government" can, or should, take my "God given" rights.

I just wish more people would look at it this way.:hippy:

[BlueBlazer]

In the United States Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Our founding fathers based our "Rights" as God given. Structured this way, a man (or future Government) could not take your Rights away. Unless he was believed to be better then "God" him/herself.

Unless you were poor, or black, or indian, or a woman . . .


just saying.

[Vancefish]

Unless you were poor, or black, or indian, or a woman . . .


just saying.

Hmmm?? Have you ever read either document?

Neither one EVER mentions skin color, or Sex, or your financial status. This is a flat out load. It was fed to you BY the government to sway you away from your rights. It's only been the last 99 years (see Federal reserve act of 1912) that poor people were SO held back with UN-constitutional laws. If the courts still recognized the constitution, then poor people would have more opportunities to succeed without over taxation, over regulation of business,.. etc.

This would not help people who refuse to help themselves!! Welfare is NOT constitutional! Taking MY pay (I'm poor but DO work) to hand it to some schmuck with 12 kids on welfare, who has NO job, is NOT fair to ME.

If I choose to be charitable, that is MY choice. NOT to be badly forced on the hard working. Then badly distributed to the unworthy.

It says all men are created equal, and given inalienable rights by God.

All we'd need to change to make it "politically" correct would be to say,.. all humans are created equal.:thumbsup:

[BlueBlazer]

Hmmm?? Have you ever read either document?...

...It says all men are created equal, and given inalienable rights by God.


That's what it says. The framers were slaveholders themselves, so blacks obviously were not included. They also had indentured servants, so poor folks were obviously not included. Women couldn't vote and "home correction" was still considered acceptable behavior by society, so women obviously were not included. Do I really need to go into how completely screwed over the indians were? Our founding fathers' words say all men are created equal. Their actions said different.

As George Carlin put it, "they were embarrassingly full of shit."

[Vancefish]

That's what it says. The framers were slaveholders themselves, so blacks obviously were not included. They also had indentured servants, so poor folks were obviously not included. Women couldn't vote and "home correction" was still considered acceptable behavior by society, so women obviously were not included. Do I really need to go into how completely screwed over the indians were? Our founding fathers' words say all men are created equal. Their actions said different.

As George Carlin put it, "they were embarrassingly full of shit."

There is NO DOUBT that these people did not (at the time) believe those WERE men or people. It was common (still is in some areas of the world) to believe some people were not people at all!

HOPEFULLY, more people have dropped this obviously incorrect philosophy in our country. Personally I think a Woman or a colored person is just as much a human as I am.

With the wording "all men" turned to "ALL HUMANS". WE, as in ALL of us regardless of race, color, sex or religion, would be free, and equal.

That WOULD however require that WE (the people AND the government) would actually start to follow the "Ultimate law of the land"!

Issue is,

Because most people have never actually read the Constitution, OR the Bill of rights, later then 6th grade.

Plus MANY who admittedly don't believe in ANY "god".

We are left with MEN who believe us inferior to them. Since they believe THEY can take our rights (because we believe god doesn't even exist, thus MEN gave us our rights).

THEY HAVE, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!!

This however is NOT a racial issue or thread. Turning it into one does not add to this thread about if "GOD" exists or not. It is common today for our media to try and turn every vital issue into a racial issue. Thus teaching the masses to do the same. I however believe completely that a Black woman has the same human rights under both documents that I do(a white man)! I've protested at the tea party(next to colored folks) and NEVER witnessed ANY racism! Just people wanting to know what the banks did with our economy! That's IT! NO RACISM as Fox news tried to say.

I DO NOT push people toward any religion either. Even a Scientologist believes in a "higher power" or "god"(loosely defined).

Point is and always was,.. If "god" (any definition) doesn't exist. Then a MAN gave you your human rights. Thus a MAN (or government) can take them away. They can even do it "constitutionally", because if you have no god, you have no rights under law.

[BlueBlazer]

Plus MANY who admittedly don't believe in ANY "god".

We are left with MEN who believe us inferior to them. Since they believe THEY can take our rights (because we believe god doesn't even exist, thus MEN gave us our rights).

THEY HAVE, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO!!

I don't think belief in any god is a prerequisite to treating other humans as equal. The folks who didn't consider blacks, native Americans, women, and poor folks as "human" as you put it, were devoutly religious in most cases.


This however is NOT a racial issue or thread. Turning it into one does not add to this thread about if "GOD" exists or not.

So who is turning into a racial issue?!?



Point is and always was,.. If "god" (any definition) doesn't exist. Then a MAN gave you your human rights. Thus a MAN (or government) can take them away. They can even do it "constitutionally", because if you have no god, you have no rights under law.

I don't agree. I have the right to as decent of a life as I can make for myself just by existing. Doesn't mean I won't find my rights violated whether I'm a believer or not.

[throatstick]

When I was a kid, my beloved puppy caught distemper and died a slow horrible death.
If there was an entity that would deliberately create an incurable condition like distemper and give it to a little boys puppy, than he's a real fucking cruel prick.

or could it be that the lil boy was very close minded/dumb to the fact and could'nt see that this life is but a speck of sand compared to whats out there?

pain is what we make of it,it's not gods fault that you can't see past your nose.pain is temporary it is you that makes it life long....the power of the mind is a great thing it's up to you how it is used.

the very fact that we are all but organic matter what gives pain power is the mind.you allow your mind to control things instead of you controlling it.

it's what you allow your mind to do that is the thing here 1 thing god did was gave us free will for example say you were afraid of ants and in your mind up until this point you had it set in your mind that no i will die first b4 i would go into a room full of ants.then 1 day you find between you and your baby,kid,gold whatever that was most important to you was this room full of ants. only then do most people take control of their minds and go beyond what they would not do b4.same with pain so when somethings you think are unthinkable really is not.

btw i find it odd that you hold god to such a high standard being that he is something you don't believe is real.as if god was real and let this bad thing happen to you then he was a prick.but since he is not real to you and everything is random and you believe this to be true then why would such a thing as a dog dying hurt you so? knowing that it was random and will happen?

fact is people live in alil box and can't comprehend much of anything outside of it.

[Tor1Hershman]

How it does not matter if God does ORRRRR does not exist - in one youtube music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m6qC6FCiY0

[throatstick]

How it does not matter if God does ORRRRR does not exist - in one youtube music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m6qC6FCiY0

wow thats 3 minutes of my life that i will never get back.:cool:

[Ub3rB0ng]

a god of some type doesnt exist,because its just a story made up by people. Get over it already folks.:jointsmile:

[blackdragon]

God isn't a figment of our imagination, we're a figment (image) of his. Reality is a hologram created by God with high definition and resolution on the Planck scale. Everything is illusion and life nor death is real. The only real thing that "exists" is God. He exists outside of spacetime in a dimension called timespace (hyperdimension or one of the 10 dimensions of Heaven). In spacetime (3 dimension of movement, one dimension of time) we can move up/down, left/right/, forward/backwasrds through SPACE, and time flows forwards only (our frame of reference is our body and center of gravity). In timespace (3 dimensions of time, past/present/future, one dimension of space), our spirit is the reference and we can move freely through time but can only be in one dimension of space, making your form a pure WAVEFORM (one dimension or a line). God exists because all waveforms which make up all matter and all spirit emanates from God's mind and congeals into reality.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

God isn't a figment of our imagination, we're a figment (image) of his. Reality is a hologram created by God with high definition and resolution on the Planck scale. Everything is illusion and life nor death is real. The only real thing that "exists" is God. He exists outside of spacetime in a dimension called timespace (hyperdimension or one of the 10 dimensions of Heaven). In spacetime (3 dimension of movement, one dimension of time) we can move up/down, left/right/, forward/backwasrds through SPACE, and time flows forwards only (our frame of reference is our body and center of gravity). In timespace (3 dimensions of time, past/present/future, one dimension of space), our spirit is the reference and we can move freely through time but can only be in one dimension of space, making your form a pure WAVEFORM (one dimension or a line). God exists because all waveforms which make up all matter and all spirit emanates from God's mind and congeals into reality.


Purely beautiful.


And what of the notion of uniting space-time and time-space as a continuous/"seamless" reality?

[SFGurrilla]

God cannot exist because if she did, she would by definition be an absolute.

And there are no absolutes. Well, except that one I suppose. Or... shucks.

After tripping 20 hits of LSD and a lot of mushrooms, plenty of salvia, 2-C-BI, three psychology classes, two ethics and philosophy classes and a lot of time to think I have come to the conclusion that we are all: god.

God as an idea is a third person perspective of who we would like to be but who we want to be: who we attain to be and if you can think it, it's possible. Its just the question of how which can be attained by asking who and what.

[Charbud]

he doesnt exist because he was made up to explain the earth being created. Humans have a curiosity when it comes to how things work and come from, we find a need for an explanation for everything, god was an explanation for the creation of the world although i believe this to be wrong. No disrespect to religious people :)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

he doesnt exist because he was made up to explain the earth being created. Humans have a curiosity when it comes to how things work and come from, we find a need for an explanation for everything, god was an explanation for the creation of the world although i believe this to be wrong. No disrespect to religious people :)




God barely did anything.


God sat in front of his computer for 6 days straight, hashing out the most complicated string of code in the universe.

On the 7'th day, god rebooted and tested his code out.




WE and our universe are the code. ;D


The code did all the work, god merely calculated it.

[BlueBlazer]

The code did all the work, god merely calculated it.

Time to go back to the drawing board . . . again . . . :D

[StickyfingahZ]

Whether you have God or Not, people will find something else to Worship and Follow.
Something to fight and kill for.
Look at the War in Iraq, they said its gonna be a 100 year war...Not in Gods name.
Its Business.

[boaz]

Time to go back to the drawing board . . . again . . . :D

Life.On.Earth ver. 7 or 8 or something. :stoned: :jointsmile:

[highasarobin]

I do not believe in Jesus Christ, but I am open to the thought of a God. But i will not believe anything until it is proven to me. If there is a God, I do not believe it would be human. Why should it? The universe is endless space. There are worlds out there that the human mind could find it nealry impossible to comprehend. Out of all this life, why should it be human? Why should it be male? Why should it be white? Something to think about.

[THContent]

I can prove god exists with scientific proof, and disprove the bible and religion.

Religion is fake, God is real.

[THContent]

Let's see you guys prove this video wrong, I believe I just bunked this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppIgFEFUpjw

btw, if you are too lazy to watch the whole video, then you have no room to post opinions based on nothing except your views on the bible, evil, good, the way things "should" be, etc. Watch the video, get informed, then formulate what you wish to say.

[BlueBlazer]

That video doesn't contain anything new. It is the same old arguments presented as science.

If there were really irrefutable scientific proof of god, every news outlet on the planet would be trumpeting this discovery in 2 inch high headlines.

By the way, anyone has the right to express their opinion whether they want to invest an hour of their time to your video or not.

I invested an hour of my time and didn't see anything that changed my mind. Invest some of your time in this and tell me what you think:

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs (http://www.godisimaginary.com/index.htm)

[THContent]

You say that the video contains arguments, when it contains science backing it up... It may not contain anything new, but it does present the facts, again, with science backing it up.


BlueBlazer:
If there were really irrefutable scientific proof of god, every news outlet on the planet would be trumpeting this discovery in 2 inch high headlines.


As you said to me before, that is a matter of your personal opinion and not based on science or any fact. We both know media leaves out what they want, especially if it does not benefit corporate America.



And about the 50 simple truths, all are based around one thing or another from the Bible, written by men, as I said before I do not trust the bible because men cannot be trusted. Also, religion is false... just mens twisted minds making up stories to keep people in line. If there were a TRUE relgion that was right, there would not be so many that fit in to each individuals lifestyle of their choosing. So that doesn't change my mind. Also does not change the fact that science has more evidence pointing toward an intelligent creator. I honestly cannot understand your logic when you are not really presenting anything scientific to backup your belief that there is no intelligent being that created the universe.

And God is the being/word most commonly known/used, that is why I call it that.


Leaving out all the shit men have said about what is or isn't right or wrong and people's personal beliefs, use science to question everything, as you said before, science is used to analyze everything to try and prove/disprove and come to an absolute truth. The video contains just that.

[BlueBlazer]

THContent, my belief is that there is a "god" which consists of everything and is so complex that the human mind cannot conceptualize it. This god does not interact or specifically care about the residents of planet earth. I believe that there is a force creating order out of chaos. I do not, however, believe in any religion. I act in a moral fashion because that's how I want folks to act towards me, not because of a list of rules.

I suspect that you and I are not so far apart . . . regardless of my opinion of your video.

:)

[THContent]

THContent, my belief is that there is a "god" which consists of everything and is so complex that the human mind cannot conceptualize it. This god does not interact or specifically care about the residents of planet earth. I believe that there is a force creating order out of chaos. I do not, however, believe in any religion. I act in a moral fashion because that's how I want folks to act towards me, not because of a list of rules.

I suspect that you and I are not so far apart . . . regardless of my opinion of your video.

:)


I feel like we are on the same page, I am in agreement with you on religion.

If there was a true or right one, there would only be ONE! Usually when everyone thinks they are right, they are usually all wrong.

I feel like darwinism sprouted the tree for catholics lol. There's just so damn many different branches of one religion, again, to fit the individuals lifestyle. To me that seems like a vanity thing for show, rather than doing the right thing naturally. Which is what animals in the wild do, reproduce, live, eat, sleep, shit, die, repeat as needed. How much more complicated do people have to make it, lol.

[MonkeyShow]

"it annoys the fuck out of me that i cant stab every one of them."
that shit is funny as hell son I luv it!!@!



i saw this guy preaching in borat, the movie, and to the crowd hes like, WE DIDNT EVOLVE FROM NO DAMN MONKEY! I wanted to throw him into a lavapit and tell him yes we fucking did you ignorant fat blob of shit.

We actually did not evolve from monkeys we evolved from the same ancestors that the great apes evolved from but our (Hominid) ancestors separated from the same gene pool around 5 to 7 million years ago.

[Kingpiner]

what does all this argument matter. why tell someone they are wrong if they believe in something or not? just because someone believes in something doesnt mean they will be good people, or vice versa. the fight over religion is not just between faiths, people who dont believe love to argue against God as much as those who argue for.

just dont do bad shit. thats all. think hard about what you do in your daily life, does it hurt people? then what your doing is shitty. is anyone going to deny that something that is considered "evil" just means its wrong? and yes there is right and wrong, you cant argue against that. and if there is right and wrong then people are going to search deeper and try to find the source of right and wrong, and some people come to the idea of God. if anyone uses God as a way to hurt people, THEY are wrong, regardless if they say god said so or not.

The whole thing is stupid, who can actually say there is no God? hahaha, we know so damn little about our existance! saying God exists with 100% certainty clarifies your stupidity. As well, if you want to say there is 100% proof of there being NO God then you are as well talking shit about things you dont know.

Evolution did happen, the harder anyone tries to fight it discredits any jibberish that comes out of their mouths. Ignore the rantings of people who believe the earth was created in 7 thousand years. we dont live in a fairytale, people cant split the seas, and certainly no half brained individual before the american evangelist ever thought these stories were true. you think anyone these days would make up such a unbelievable story? no because too much proof is against it, they believed it thousands of years ago because who was to say different? but to believe it today, God isnt looking for an army of tards.

God doesnt need to prove to anyone anything if he did exist, he certainly wouldnt need the church to uphold his rules. he also wouldnt let the faith rest in the hands of the church as it claims.

religion was thought up when people looked inside themselves and wondered why they felt how they did and why they acted certain ways, it will always exist in that place inside of us and we dont need the church to tell us what to do with our faith.

:hippy:

[teebs70]

God is created in the image of man.

We are the ones we cry for, we are doing this all to ourselves.

This has happened before and shall happen again, again, again, ....

Points for Satan: More humans have been slaughtered in the name of 'God' than for any other reason. Humans reason is insanity based, we read of the deforestation of what remains of our dying forests on dead newspaper, etc...

Planet Earth is a rape farm.

[gypski]

Why god doesn't exist in one sentence??? Ok, because I said so!!! :S2:

[pentigram]

Usually I would not get caught in a thread like this, but today I'm feeling "Fresh as a mountain flower" (LULZ) so today I'm making an exception. The belief in no "higher power" or "God"... You know... Whatever you want to call "the power" is pure ignorance. I think (in my opinion) being an atheist is for very closed minded individuals. I'm not playing the game that "my God is better than yours" b/c that is a debate that will amount to nothing. I just don't see how people can say there is "No beginning." How supposedly we have "always" been around. Well like all things we have a beginning and an end. There has to be some [higher] power out there that controls everything. Be it Jesus, God, Buddah, etc. As for me I know there is a God. Once again everyone this is just my opinion and mine alone.

[BlueBlazer]

We'll have to agree to disagree pentigram.

I like your signature though! :thumbsup::stoned:

[SoHigh420]

what does all this argument matter. why tell someone they are wrong if they believe in something or not? just because someone believes in something doesnt mean they will be good people, or vice versa. the fight over religion is not just between faiths, people who dont believe love to argue against God as much as those who argue for.

just dont do bad shit. thats all. think hard about what you do in your daily life, does it hurt people? then what your doing is shitty. is anyone going to deny that something that is considered "evil" just means its wrong? and yes there is right and wrong, you cant argue against that. and if there is right and wrong then people are going to search deeper and try to find the source of right and wrong, and some people come to the idea of God. if anyone uses God as a way to hurt people, THEY are wrong, regardless if they say god said so or not.

The whole thing is stupid, who can actually say there is no God? hahaha, we know so damn little about our existance! saying God exists with 100% certainty clarifies your stupidity. As well, if you want to say there is 100% proof of there being NO God then you are as well talking shit about things you dont know.

Evolution did happen, the harder anyone tries to fight it discredits any jibberish that comes out of their mouths. Ignore the rantings of people who believe the earth was created in 7 thousand years. we dont live in a fairytale, people cant split the seas, and certainly no half brained individual before the american evangelist ever thought these stories were true. you think anyone these days would make up such a unbelievable story? no because too much proof is against it, they believed it thousands of years ago because who was to say different? but to believe it today, God isnt looking for an army of tards.

God doesnt need to prove to anyone anything if he did exist, he certainly wouldnt need the church to uphold his rules. he also wouldnt let the faith rest in the hands of the church as it claims.

religion was thought up when people looked inside themselves and wondered why they felt how they did and why they acted certain ways, it will always exist in that place inside of us and we dont need the church to tell us what to do with our faith.

:hippy:

great post kingpiner + rep:thumbsup:

[fatasss2]

My one sentence answer:

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Because God does NOT exist as the personification we give him/her.

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Remember, God (or by whatever name you call the force/energy responsible for all of creation) is beyond comprehension by our relatively small and puny intellects. In order to relate to such an incomprehensible/unimaginable energy we create personifications such as God(s), angels, ect. All these concepts, whether you realize it or not, are of one and the same.

By taking the personifications too far and personally we create human fallacies which are incompatible with logic and science.

that pretty much says it all[how can a simple mind understand ,something so great]...............

[Islandborn]

God doesnt exist cause there isnt peace on earth? What kind of 8th grade statement is this? Perhaps your asking the wrong question. Maybe its not "How can I believe in God if there no peace?" Instead I ask......how can you believe in Mankind as good when there is no peace on earth (and NEVER will be).

[keepitrealbud13]

God is light,how can u see the light if u live in darkness?:cool: