Why God does not exist, in one sentence.

[eg420ne]

God:Nobody has ever seen,touched,smelled,heard or talked to him.
Then how can he exist?Wrong...GWB talks to gawd all the time

[Canuckofithaca]

God does not exist because our world still experiences horrors

[HighTillIDie]

LOL Because of carbon dating

[eg420ne]

Yes, lets blame a guy that does not exist on man-made fu*k-ups.....:D

[darrouken]

if god could do anything that means he could accedently destroy himself without wanting to.. thought of that one when i was high:jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

God cannot exist because if she did, she would by definition be an absolute.

And there are no absolutes. Well, except that one I suppose. Or... shucks.
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polymirizi just that right there tells me u believe in something (if she did)

[palerider7777]

There's no doubting that the universe is certainly stranger than even science can explain, but that's no reason to just go believing some random shit a book/person tells you without any proof. The bible certainly isn't the word of God. Unless God has a really awful literary sense. I could write a more interesting narrative
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for 1 the bibles u read today are king james verisons for the most part and most of the bible is not god's word but mans diary of how things were and how they lived at the time and who god was and what he wanted from them...love

[palerider7777]

god is real there is no way all this happened by chance no way

[palerider7777]

if it was'nt for god id control/conquer;) half the world by now

[palerider7777]

if all this happened by chance as most seem to believe there would be life on other planets as well and sum where there might be but it's real funny in or solar system this planet just so happens to be just the right distance from the sun to be the perfect place to sustain life and allows just the right conditions for life to thrive so happens that venus is to close and mars is to far to sustain life hum seems weird

[Pass That Shit]

if it was'nt for god id control/conquer;) half the world by now

You're controlling/conquering half this thread though.
I don't think I've ever seen 5 straight posts from a person who did not start the thread. LOL

Here's the thing about everything happening by chance. Humans are in no way connected to the sun or to the moon. What I'm getting at is that this "trillion to one odds" that people feel brought us life would have had to happen many times to give us everything that we have. From a scientific point of view, did all things present evolve from a "single" bang that put the ball rolling for all living things?
It seems to me that there had to be a "miracle of life" for each individual thing.
This lowers the odds of creation being by "chance" much greater.
We have to realize and give credit that creation came to us by a master architect.

[ZooZoo]

God is beleiving in the unseen,
he is the test of human faith and spirituality.
God doesnt stop evil, infact god chose to give humans choice.
If their was no evil---life wouldnt have purpose.
Gods faith is exactly where we get to choose yes or no.

Everything happens for a reason, and no one knows the truth.
I beleive in the unseen and i dont find it obsered,
just look outside, look at the sun, our plants, think about that first micro-organism and how everything compliments eachother in nature.

God is whatever you make him.,

[palerider7777]

You're controlling/conquering half this thread though.
I don't think I've ever seen 5 straight posts from a person who did not start the thread. LOL

yea just think what would happen i did'nt have the respect and morals that god teaches i mean i would'nt put up with w 10th of what i do now without god i'd be a beast lol i

[Mr.Blue]

god to me isn't a god it is what we called the initial energy/matter to create the universe.

one line:)

sorry if this been posted already i read the first 3 pages saw there was a total of 12 n posted

[BeatlesRGod]

if all this happened by chance as most seem to believe there would be life on other planets as well and sum where there might be but it's real funny in or solar system this planet just so happens to be just the right distance from the sun to be the perfect place to sustain life and allows just the right conditions for life to thrive so happens that venus is to close and mars is to far to sustain life hum seems weird

Think about this. Why is it so hard to believe earth happened to be ideal for life? It's not like it just happened all of a sudden, it took an extremely long time to happen and who knows how many times it happened before? The conditions were right so life formed. If the conditions weren't right, like venus or mars, life wouldn't form until a life-form came to be that could thrive on the planet's conditions. Humans are so fuckin stupid sometimes, believing the whole universe revolves around them. We are just what came to be.

[palerider7777]

Humans are so fuckin stupid sometimes,.... sorry to burst ur lil bubble but why is it that my view makes me (fuckin stupid) but ur view makes u what smart? now thats the dumbest thing iv'e heard.u say that as if ur not human and somehow above all of us(people like me)lol lame i say.so what ur saying is were the first forms of life?i mean i know it took hundreds of thousands of years to get to where we are today. or atleast thousands so if theres this mystic energy (other than god)that formed just right to not only form dumbed down life. i.e animals trees and such but just so happened to form just right to form intelligent life forms, i.e humans/opps i mean just the ones like u not me.

why do we not see rocks and water and everything else in this world from this big bang or the just so happened to be just right for life to form theroy evolvein to some type of life? i mean how would it know where to stop creating? i mean theres alot of stars collapsing inploding in on it's self. i can't think of a more concentrated energy than that. and all they can say about that is the energy is so strong that nothing could survive it. so to say something like that created all life lmfao..........with no master mind behind it...and im the human that is fucking stupid..lol..i think whats stupid is someone have made up there mind b4 knowing facts. and as no one really knows other than having faith and there own thoughts on the subject and history to act like u know all thats where stupid comes in is when u start thinking u know everything lol.

[palerider7777]

lmfao i just noticed ur talking out ur ass as u don't believe in god as u say it's fucking stupid and yet u have god in ur name lol so u believe in someone (humans)that are equal to u as a god lol nice hypocritical stance u have nice

[Hajpoj]

God cannot exist because if she did, she would by definition be an absolute.

And there are no absolutes. Well, except that one I suppose. Or... shucks.


Only the Sith think in absolutes.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Humans are so fuckin stupid sometimes,.... sorry to burst ur lil bubble but why is it that my view makes me (fuckin stupid) but ur view makes u what smart? now thats the dumbest thing iv'e heard.u say that as if ur not human and somehow above all of us(people like me)lol lame i say.so what ur saying is were the first forms of life?i mean i know it took hundreds of thousands of years to get to where we are today. or atleast thousands so if theres this mystic energy (other than god)that formed just right to not only form dumbed down life. i.e animals trees and such but just so happened to form just right to form intelligent life forms, i.e humans/opps i mean just the ones like u not me.
Ok, insults aside, I can barely read what you're typing. It's not just the spelling and shorthand, but the grammar makes it barely readable. If your first language isn't english, I apologize.

I don't agree with the way BeatlesRGod agrues his points, personally. that said, I can understand what he's saying. But from what I can understand, I'll try to give my opinions.


why do we not see rocks and water and everything else in this world from this big bang or the just so happened to be just right for life to form theroy evolvein to some type of life?
We do see the rocks and water, so I'm not sure what you're getting at.


i mean how would it know where to stop creating?

*It* doesn't know anything, and the idea is that the matter in the universe has always existed. Nothing gets created or destroyed, just changed and mutated.

i mean theres alot of stars collapsing inploding in on it's self. i can't think of a more concentrated energy than that. and all they can say about that is the energy is so strong that nothing could survive it. so to say something like that created all life lmfao..........with no master mind behind it...and im the human that is fucking stupid..lol..
Living organisms (from what I've read) can come about from chemical reactions. So life doesn't have to survive an immense explosion/implosion, the only thing that needs to happen are certain chemical reactions, afterwards. Give the universe 14 billion years and I'd say there's a good chance the right chemicals will find each other.

i think whats stupid is someone have made up there mind b4 knowing facts. and as no one really knows other than having faith and there own thoughts on the subject and history to act like u know all thats where stupid comes in is when u start thinking u know everything lol.
I bolded a certain part because it doesn't make sense. Everyone has an opinion. if you disagree with his, offer a better one. Ciao

[palerider7777]

I bolded a certain part because it doesn't make sense. Everyone has an opinion. if you disagree with his, offer a better one. Ciao well if u read u can see thats what im saying, is everyone has one. he was calling people like me (fucking stupid)so i said what i said.

and as no one really knows other than having faith and there own thoughts on the subject and history to act like u know all thats where stupid comes in is when u start thinking u know everything lol.
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Living organisms (from what I've read) can come about from chemical reactions. So life doesn't have to survive an immense explosion/implosion, the only thing that needs to happen are certain chemical reactions, afterwards. Give the universe 14 billion years and I'd say there's a good chance the right chemicals will find each other
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im not saying survive it,im saying people that think thats the way life was formed. to say ur chemical reaction theory or big bang theory ,that would take immense explosion / implosion to create life. And saying that is what happened is too far fetched. To say god did it that way?that's funny ? I have , lets say, there is a god just for fun and the bible is true and ur life ends and ur in front of god ;what r u gonna say then??And why is it so easy to believe in a king/queen as a higher power that makes them better than anyone else (royalty)but,to believe in a higher power, to create life, well, thats just crazy talk. why? so it's ok to u to put ur life in the hands of a few people like the government/king/queen that are the same as u (human)but, anyone that believes in a creator of all, then there dumb fucks ,well,

Ok, insults aside, I can barely read what you're typing. It's not just the spelling and shorthand, but the grammar makes it barely readable. If your first language isn't english, I apologize

is that better for ya,i put all the lil ,.?!;:'" all them are there now i packed them in can i get a better grade now it's funny i could go threw these forums and find tons upon tons of bad writings but noone ever says anything unless they have nothing else they can down so they have to come up with sumthing i guess to make them feel better since they can't explain life and they start to feel dumb inside and they can't bring themself down to the human standard as they feel in there minds anyways far superior to just (human) oh i left them all out again so i can drop down from ur level of excellence why do u not say anything to everybody else on here that right in clumps like i am now with nothing no ....."s nothing but oh well call me lazy as the rest of the people on here but sometime i do sometime i don't but i have noticed that when ever religion or politics come up everybody starts nit picking everything u say i like it tough keeps ur brain going

[Hardcore Newbie]

well if u read u can see thats what im saying, is everyone has one. he was calling people like me (fucking stupid)so i said what i said.

and as no one really knows other than having faith and there own thoughts on the subject and history to act like u know all thats where stupid comes in is when u start thinking u know everything lol.
There's also a few other things that we can use. Logic and proof. I'll never claim to know what happened unless it can be proven. But from hearing many (but not every) side of out origins, these are my conclusions.


im not saying survive it,im saying people that think thats the way life was formed. to say ur chemical reaction theory or big bang theory ,that would take immense explosion / implosion to create life. And saying that is what happened is too far fetched. To say god did it that way?that's funny ?
huh? I'm just saying that making life from previously "lifeless" cells and organisms is possible. What's far fetched about that? People are able to make real life viruses (imeaning, not computer viruses) in their basement. How can reality be far fetched?

I have , lets say, there is a god just for fun and the bible is true and ur life ends and ur in front of god ;what r u gonna say then??
I guess I'd be wrong. But that's a dumb way to live life. "What if" there was a spaghetti monster, and the only way to get into the giant italy in the sky was through non-belief? Anyone that believed in any deity besides him would be stricken to an infinite sized bowl, with spaghetti forever on the horizon. Ultimate torture, never being able to eat again, but it's always in sight. What then?

And why is it so easy to believe in a king/queen as a higher power that makes them better than anyone else (royalty)but,to believe in a higher power, to create life, well, thats just crazy talk. why? so it's ok to u to put ur life in the hands of a few people like the government/king/queen that are the same as u (human)but, anyone that believes in a creator of all, then there dumb fucks ,well
You're assuming that I think government is a good idea.


is that better for ya,i put all the lil ,.?!;:'" all them are there now i packed them in can i get a better grade now it's funny i could go threw these forums and find tons upon tons of bad writings
I can as well. But most of the time I'm not speaking to them, so it is of no concern to me how they type.

but noone ever says anything unless they have nothing else they can down so they have to come up with sumthing i guess to make them feel better since they can't explain life and they start to feel dumb inside and they can't bring themself down to the human standard as they feel in there minds anyways far superior to just (human) oh i left them all out again so i can drop down from ur level of excellence
I'm not bringing it up to belittle you or otherwise. I'm bringing it up so I can understand what you're writing. How can intelligent debate exist when one person can't understand the other? It doesn't matter how smart the two parties may be, if they can't communicate, they can't debate.

why do u not say anything to everybody else on here that right in clumps like i am now with nothing no ....."s nothing but oh well call me lazy as the rest of the people on here but sometime i do sometime i don't but i have noticed that when ever religion or politics come up everybody starts nit picking everything u say i like it tough keeps ur brain goingit's your choice, of course. But it's not a lot of trouble to use punctuation so that people can understand where one of your thoughts begins and where others end. And if I'm trying to communicate with someone and they appear to be using a form of English that I somewhat recognize, then I promise you, I'll let them know.

[palerider7777]

There's also a few other things that we can use. Logic and proof. I'll never claim to know what happened unless it can be proven. But from hearing many (but not every) side of out origins, these are my conclusions
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if believing in life forming for no reason, and with no master plane is logic then i i don't want no part of "logic" and i like ur south park reference.but as far as having any logic...um no

[palerider7777]

*plan

[Hardcore Newbie]

if believing in life forming for no reason, and with no master plane is logic then i i don't want no part of "logic" and i like ur south park reference.but as far as having any logic...um noI'm not sure of this south park quote you're speaking of, as I've only seen a handful of episodes. If you want to believe that a god has a plan for newly formed bacteria, then go ahead.

Why, in your opinion, does there have to be a reason, or a master plan? Instead of saying you reject the idea of a plan-less universe because it doesn't live up to you idea of logic, tell us what your logic is based upon.

I'm not saying that it isn't possible for a god to exist, I just doubt it. I doubt it because I, nor anyone else i know, has credible proof of it. Just as the spaghetti monster could very well exist, I have little reason to believe it to be true.

[palerider7777]

spaghetti monster,came from south park so ur quoting a cartoon lol

[palerider7777]

well if thats the case, that matter changes and moves closer to other matter then why are'nt the planets getting closer together? and if thats the case then im right on humans not causing any global warming, it's the planet regenerating it's self.so thanks for the help on that so al gore is a dumb ass and anyone that believes that.

[Pass That Shit]

The big bang theory isn't that it gave birth to humans. It's that it created, or at least scattered matter all over the universe. Matter has the strange behavior of attracting toward other matter (gravity) and over time, the theory is that the matter formed planets, stars, galaxies, etc. The theory goes on to say that over time after solar systems had formed and conditions had become ideal for life on certain planets (other than earth as well!), then very simple life forms developed. As these lifeforms became more widespread they changed and adapted to their environment and started competing with one another so evolution took place through natural selection and survival of the fittest and distinct species started to develop. Makes sense to me :what: By the way I don't look at "royalty" as being any better than anybody else, usually the people who are foolish enough to also believe in a higher being.

I think we can sum it from your first sentence. The big bang is a theory.
There is no proof of the big bang even taking place the way you described it.
The reason you think it's true, is because you have "faith" in it.

[palerider7777]

i can't wait to here im wrong, on the whole global warming. but it's funny how u people believe in all this science, and try to use it to prove why and how things are. but turn away from it when it does'nt work with the, green peace/peta/the sky is falling "logic".but it's funny ur science shows where this very thing "global warming" has happened over and over and over again. and were still in an ice age and coming out of it. so of course things will melt and temps will change

[Hardcore Newbie]

Well the reason that a hierarchy exists is because people can be greedy, not because one person is better than another. Those who gain power rarely question the morals or ethics or reasons behind their power, because if they had a better understanding of the circumstances or reasons, they may not be able to conscientiously use that power.

If a king appointed you into some high position, you now have an advantage over most of the people in the town. If you question the ethics behind it, such as saying "Why do I have power over all these people, when I was once in that very group" then it goes hand in hand that you'd have qualms about using your power to your fullest benefit.

Compare that with religion. I'm not suggesting that it's exactly the same and that religious people have power over those who don't, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Someone of faith may believe they have an inherent advantage over a non believer (something like, I don't know, going to heaven).

Let's say that someone believes that it's very likely, by the way they're living, that they're going to heaven, why would they question the rules and ethics that get them there? It wouldn't make sense because they might lose their faith, or they might not like the result they find. realizing an unfairness.

A thought such as
Why would a person go to heaven and another go to hell, living identical lives, except one is a believer and the other isn't?might come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason.

So who would want to go from a mindset of being blessed with eternal life, to just another Joe that's going to be in the ground 100 years from now like everyone else? Not many, I'd bet.

[palerider7777]

nice one pass that shit well really it was made up by man as well so there u go on that one

[palerider7777]

WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.

Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.

Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.

These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.

WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh

[Hardcore Newbie]

spaghetti monster,came from south park so ur quoting a cartoon lolSo forget any questions I posed to you, and just mention where the spaghetti monster idea came from.

I've seen someone else on this board use the spaghetti monster and I thought it was funny. But I'll definitely give a look to that episode if i can find it.


I think we can sum it from your first sentence. The big bang is a theory.
There is no proof of the big bang even taking place the way you described it.
The reason you think it's true, is because you have "faith" in it.


In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_%28abstract%29) or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by experimental (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment) evidence (see scientific method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method)). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic) and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses) may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.

Yeah, I quoted from wikipedia, but no one's arguing this definition of Scientific Theory. If you believe this definition to be lacking, incomplete, or flat out wrong, then change it :)

[Hardcore Newbie]

I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laughI guess that's somehow less respectable than never changing the truth when new facts come to the front.

[Pass That Shit]

Compare that with religion. I'm not suggesting that it's exactly the same and that religious people have power over those who don't, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless. Someone of faith may believe they have an inherent advantage over a non believer (something like, I don't know, going to heaven).

Let's say that someone believes that it's very likely, by the way they're living, that they're going to heaven, why would they question the rules and ethics that get them there? It wouldn't make sense because they might lose their faith, or they might not like the result they find. realizing an unfairness.

A thought such asmight come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason.

So who would want to go from a mindset of being blessed with eternal life, to just another Joe that's going to be in the ground 100 years from now like everyone else? Not many, I'd bet.

The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:

You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.

Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.

[GraziLovesMary]

WASHINGTON (Feb. 11) - Scientists using a robotic NASA probe have determined with precision the age of the universe -- 13.7 billion years -- and figured out when stars began to shine.

Astronomers have been closing in on these numbers for decades, but a spacecraft now about a million miles from Earth was able to look back to nearly the dawn of time to find the answers, NASA researchers said on Tuesday.

Stars started shining just 200 million years after the theoretical Big Bang, scientists said in announcing findings of the so-called WMAP mission, which gazed on the universe when there were no stars, no galaxies, nothing except minute differences in temperature.

These temperature differences were as little as one-millionth of a degree, but that was enough to create vast hot and cold spots that signaled the beginning of the clumping that eventually became every known structure in the universe, the scientists said.

WMAP -- short for Wilkinson Microwave Anisotopy Probe -- looked back in time to just 380,000 years after the Big Bang explosion that many astronomers believe gave birth to the universe. That is further back in time than even the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope can see.
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I remember scientists claiming the exact age of the universe was 10 billion years a few years ago, so now they're all suddenly 100% it's exactly 13 billions years old? In a decade they'll probably nag about how the universe is 16 billion years old.lol what a laugh

I am confused by your cynicism. How old do YOU believe the universe to be? Are you a creationist? Are you, by chance, religious, and reject anything that contradicts the erroneous man-made belief structure that you are comfortable with? Your obvious scorn in all things scientific leads me to these conclusions.

I remember when those findings were first published among the scientific community. Previous to that, scientists on average had estimated it to be around 10 to 12 billion years old, but could not prove it. They knew what they had to do, and after sending sattelite probes into space and receiving the results, they were able to scientifically calculate the age of the universe. By observing red shifts and phases of distant stars, we have for some time now, been aware of the fact that everything in the universe is moving away from a central point. Im sorry that you seem to reject these findings, and find them laughable. Some people would find that rejection to be laughable. Forgive me if I have made a wrong assumption.

[Hardcore Newbie]

The bible doesn't teach that a believer is "better" than one who doesn't follow. And their bodies will equally rot in the ground.
We have no visual proof to believe in the afterlife. That's what's great about FAITH. :hippy:

I avoided the word "better" with good reason. I'm saying that someone of faith (let's keep it Xian belifs for simplicity's sake) believes that they have an advantage over a non believer. They have to. They believe that they will be rewarded for their behaviour, and beliefs. If they didn't believe this, then there'd be no point to the belief in the first place.


You are saying that you know what is right and wrong better than God. You must feel more "righteous" than him to judge him. He is the potter and you are the clay. I hope you realize the stance you're taking against your possible creator. I don't feel he is unjust. To me, he's all LOVE. He will have mercy and compassion on who wants. And the wrath of God will come upon all the children of men.

When my parents told me I couldn't do something, and they didn't have a reason, and told me "Because I SAID SO", who's "right"? They certainly didn't have an answer or a reason. Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?

To me, the Xian God I read about is anything but love. The God I read about has an inferiority complex and for some reason is quite shy. Every once in a while he comes out because he's mad and has a tantrum that usually kills a bunch of people because they don't listen to him. that's the god I read about.


Would you feel the same if someone you love in your family died horribly as opposed to hearing the same type of death on the news
to a stranger? NOT!!!, so you shouldn't judge him.I don't understand the point you're trying to make, but of course the people closer to you mean more to you.

[GraziLovesMary]

well if thats the case, that matter changes and moves closer to other matter then why are'nt the planets getting closer together? and if thats the case then im right on humans not causing any global warming, it's the planet regenerating it's self.so thanks for the help on that so al gore is a dumb ass and anyone that believes that.

Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.

First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.

As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...

As far as the beginnings of life... What is so hard to believe about the Big Bang?? All matter is attracted towards any other matter.. When all the matter in the universe previous to the big bang finally condensed into itself so much that it reached the peak of density, it exploded, sending matter zooming across space, and by the way it is still moving from that point. Not only that, but matter is actually ACCELERATING still. After billions of years of hydrogen and helium gravitating to form stars, which supernovaed to form other elements, and eventually rocky bodies, things in this part of our galaxy at least began to settle down. Our sun formed some planets as popular theories go, and caught others in its gravitation. Pluto is clearly an aquirement from the Kuiper belt.

After about a billion years of Earth spewing its innards volcanically all over the place in a tumultuous manner, it began to cool and solidify. The major tectonic plates began to form, and most likely with the help of some asteroidal bodies, a few alien elements were introduced. Amino acids were introduced to enzymes and formed proteins. Proteins formed together to produce the first single-celled organisms. Those organisms began to multiply and evolve with the addition of more enzymes and proteins, and as these organisms have such a high reproduction rate, they were able to evolve on a much faster scale than intelligent life. Hydrogen and Oxygen combined with the right environment to form water. Life then flourished. An atmosphere rich in elemental gasses was becoming more established with every passing million years. Eventually simple crustaceans were able to form in the oceans, and life continued to evolve from there. Crustaceans evolved into fish due to necessity of environment, and alteration in diet. When land became more hospitable, fish began out of necessity to come onto land. Diets changed once again, and the newly evolved amphibians began to ingest amino acids and proteins and minerals that they had never had access to, and life continued to evolve.

If you want to learn more, go to discovery.com or something.

Thats all I feel like responding to I think.

Except for this quote by you:

"You're controlling/conquering half this thread though.
I don't think I've ever seen 5 straight posts from a person who did not start the thread. LOL

yea just think what would happen i did'nt have the respect and morals that god teaches i mean i would'nt put up with w 10th of what i do now without god i'd be a beast lol i"

You continue to argue points that bear debating, especially with your opinion on them, thats why he keeps posting.

And I dont think you are as respectful as you think... your posts are full of calling people stupid and dumb fucks, and all types of judgement. You categorize everybody that disagrees with you as "you people", Im guessing you are addressing the whole scientific community, then you make statements assuming the whole scientific community has one standard point of view. You appear to be severely dillusioned, my friend. I hope for your sake that you grow up and grow out of this.

[palerider7777]

A thought such as
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Why would a person go to heaven and another go to hell, living identical lives, except one is a believer and the other isn't?

might come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason

thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!

[palerider7777]

Im quoting this one, but Im going to attempt to address your other posts as well.. first off.. how old are you? I only ask because judging from your communication skills, and the misinformation you seem to have in the realm of scientific knowledge you are rather young, but I will attempt to talk as if you are an adult so as to avoid coming off as insulting.

First of all.. who said the planets are not getting closer and closer to the sun? They most certainly are, however the angular momentum of their orbit means that the rate of attraction is almost negligible on any measurable scale of time. The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant before the planets actually spiral into the sun.

As far as global warming... are you trying to say that increased carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses are not having an effect on the recent increase in average temperature, the rapid melting of all glacial bodies, and the increasing hole in the ozone layer? All of which are confirmed and measurable findings. Sure the earth has cycled through periods of extreme warmth where trees thrived and there was water for all... then all the carbon dioxide that all that vegetation produced began to have a greenhouse effect, melting glaciers, decreasing ocean salinity, which altered oceanic thermal flows, which... caused an ice age. Nobody isnt saying its never happened before, the cycle has been going on for quite some time. What they are saying is that humans are speeding that process up, and it is coming alot sooner than it should have, certainly before we expected it to. Im not sure what kind of argument you might have on that...
no kid here but i am a free thinker and i like how u just contradicted urself and don't even know it lol funny u say the planets are getting closer..prove it and the sun will what did u say..The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over now to the 2nd ok u say were all just "matter caused by other matter collecting together right?then is'nt that global warming weather it be from "mankind/aka matter"or from the earth gonna happen anyways as were all just "matter" im sure u believe as the rest in here do as the big bang/evo/ it should'nt "matter" what we as humans do as we are all just "matter" and thats what matter" does evo use up destory create right??

[Hardcore Newbie]

thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!
So what are the "right" reasons for believing in God?

It's funny you'd accuse me of not answering questions when you've answered approximately a tenth of mine.

Who would I pick? The girl that loves me, obviously. Is your analogy flawed? Yes, and I'll explain why I think so.

You're comparing a relationship of a bunch of people to the relationship of God and people. God picks many people, not just one (from what I hear). I'm not condemning someone because they don't love me, they're free to do as they please. I don't wish ill towards people for the simple fact that they don't love me. In fact, I still wish them eternal happiness.

I'm not hiding myself from this person. Maybe if they knew who I was, they'd actually love me too! And if I was hiding myself from this person, wouldn't it be my fault that they don't even know me? If I did have the power to punish someone because they don't love me, and wished to use it, can I claim it fair to punish them when I've purposely hidden myself from them? And if I did so anyways, wouldn't I be a giant prick?

*edit* 301 posts in the thread, WOOT!

[palerider7777]

i remember everything iv'e seen read on stars inploding and matter gathering was so great it would cause a black hole effect and anything that gets close is eaten up by it and the power around it is so great nothing can survive???i may be wrong as i always am in here but thats usely when people are right so..

[palerider7777]

what have u asked u have proven nothing just thought on the "matter"like that i did

[Hardcore Newbie]

no kid here but i am a free thinker and i like how u just contradicted urself and don't even know it lol funny u say the planets are getting closer..prove it and the sun will what did u say..The sun will most likely supernova, or turn into a red giant lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over
Do you know the definition of contradiction? It's when two ideas directly oppose one another. The idea of a big explosion destroying life doesn't contradict the idea that life can create itself afterwards. The idea that this solar system may no longer exist in millions of years doesn't contradict the point of "carrying on our species". Who's to say that we can't inhabit other solar systems?

And I couldn't read the second part so I won't bother.

[palerider7777]

I'm not hiding myself from this person. Maybe if they knew who I was, they'd actually love me too! And if I was hiding myself from this person, wouldn't it be my fault that they don't even know me? If I did have the power to punish someone because they don't love me, and wished to use it, can I claim it fair to punish them when I've purposely hidden myself from them? And if I did so anyways, wouldn't I be a giant prick
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what i was getting at, is god and people being on a much lager scale of course.that god created people and wants them to see him as king and lord. but instead and through out the bible his own people have turned against him everytime. so laws were put in place and rules as to weed out the good from evil. and it's a battle between him a satan whatever u want to call him. many names really to see who loves who, in a nut shell. i mean theres alot more to it than that but, god gave us free will and wants to see who loves him and is devoted to him and who is not. bottom line..

[palerider7777]

And I couldn't read the second part so I won't bother. lmfao i guess with eyes like that it would be hard at time to read lol

[palerider7777]

all will bow one day,so ur saying that some will/can survive this supernova from the sun and will be able to carry on on another planet...lol and im the dumb one

[Hardcore Newbie]

what have u asked u have proven nothing just thought on the "matter"like that i didhttp://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/86919-why-god-does-not-exist-one-sentence-12.html#post1567754

These are just a few questions I've asked.

just ignore the fact that I used the spaghetti monster, and hopefully after answering some questions, you'll have some questions in response. That's generally the way conversations work in regards to understanding one another's viewpoints. When people disagree, they question why the other person thinks that way. They answer so the other person has a better understanding, and more questions arise if there's still disagreements or curiosities.

[palerider7777]

God dont exist cuz he's a fictional character in a book goddamit! so slick-d your cursing something that don't exist ...well thats smart huh lol

[palerider7777]

Originally Posted by palerider7777
im not saying survive it,im saying people that think thats the way life was formed. to say ur chemical reaction theory or big bang theory ,that would take immense explosion / implosion to create life. And saying that is what happened is too far fetched. To say god did it that way?that's funny ?

huh? I'm just saying that making life from previously "lifeless" cells and organisms is possible. What's far fetched about that? People are able to make real life viruses (imeaning, not computer viruses) in their basement. How can reality be far fetched
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it's called sarcasm i was saying it's ok to believe in the big bang and ur considered using ur brain but if u believe in a master plan /god then ur a kid with no brain

[palerider7777]

opps i see im breaking one of my own rules in my sig damn that does make me dumb...alil anyways:thumbsup:

[Hardcore Newbie]

what i was getting at, is god and people being on a much lager scale of course.that god created people and wants them to see him as king and lord. but instead and through out the bible his own people have turned against him everytime. so laws were put in place and rules as to weed out the good from evil. and it's a battle between him a satan whatever u want to call him. many names really to see who loves who, in a nut shell. i mean theres alot more to it than that but, god gave us free will and wants to see who loves him and is devoted to him and who is not. bottom line..
But you haven't gotten to it. This God's still hiding, at least from me. He's not giving his reasons for his rules. He still needs my love for some reason. I ask why he needs my love in order to avoid torture, or at least not have eternal life.

all will bow one day,so ur saying that some will/can survive this supernova from the sun and will be able to carry on on another planet...lol and im the dumb oneI never called you dumb. I also didn't say that reaching other solar systems was a definite. It's a possibility. We might have to try for other solar systems if this one becomes hostile. And who knows, maybe if we don't get out, we all perish from the sun. That's a possibility as well.

[Hardcore Newbie]

it's called sarcasm i was saying it's ok to believe in the big bang and ur considered using ur brain but if u believe in a master plan /god then ur a kid with no brain
It's hard to detect sarcasm in text, or at least many people find it difficult.

opps i see im breaking one of my own rules in my sig damn that does make me dumb...alil anyways
if you're inferring that I'm an idiot and I'm "beating you" with idiocy, then I'll refrain from talking to you. If you aren't trying to infer that I'm an idiot, please clarify, because it certainly looks like you are. If you're being sarcastic again, let me know.

[Pass That Shit]

Az the world turnz!!! :stoned:

To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.

And to hardcore newbie,
Yes, I'm saying that since he created the world, I'm confident that he certainly has more wisdom than the man he put on it.

[palerider7777]

But you haven't gotten to it. This God's still hiding, at least from me. He's not giving his reasons for his rules. He still needs my love for some reason. I ask why he needs my love in order to avoid torture, or at least not have eternal life.
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really i have if ur to blind to see it it's not my fault

[Hardcore Newbie]

Az the world turnz!!! :stoned:

To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.
Things worked out quite well, for us. it's a great environment, for us. It might not have been so great for any other possible beings in the universe who've possibly had these exact same musings, or possible beings that didn't make it this far. Not to that that I'm not happy for it, but if it didn't happen that way, there'd be no sweat about it, we wouldn't be able to discuss it. I think, given 14 billion years, pretty much anything can happen. There doesn't need to be an "energy of life", and it doesn't need to be wise. Though it is a possibility, as always.



And to hardcore newbie,
Yes, I'm saying that since he created the world, I'm confident that he certainly has more wisdom than the man he put on it.I didn't ask if you thought God was smarter than man

Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?If it were the case that your maker must always be smarter than the offspring or creation, we wouldn't have computers to have this conversation.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

To me, the flaw in science is that it ignores the wisdom in things evolving into a perfect environment. Things don't evolve perfectly like that without wisdom. Example, you say that evolution brought us the sun and the earth. But I say, by wisdom the earth turnz to work perfectly together with the sun. The wisdom in our universe is infinite, there's no denying that. Even if you want to say that there is no God, you have to admit that this "energy of life" that exists is wise.

if you choose to ignore the billions upon billions upon billions of similar globes spinning through space, your assumptions have some merit. however; considering the possibly infinite number of planets floating in the heavens, random chance makes as much, if not more, sense as intelligent design. this egocentric view that humanity is the pinnacle of creation has given rise to an anthropomorphism of the infinite, what presumption. is it so hard to believe that such a collection of coincidences would occur somewhere within the immensity of the universe?

[Hardcore Newbie]

really i have if ur to blind to see it it's not my fault
Weird, I've given an open invitation for any "all knowing, all powerful" gods to show themselves. So far none have come. If they aren't all knowing, then I understand them not showing themselves, they may never have even known the request. I ask for all powerful beings, because if they are truly all powerful, showing themselves would take zero effort on their part. The Xian God apparently fits that description. If the Xian God is full of love, as most Xians would suggest, then it would reason that He loves me. I'm not asking God to bend to my will. I'm just asking for some conversation. If God doesn't want to converse, let it be known that I offered conversation, and He declined.

[Hardcore Newbie]

To all: Sorry for my post whoring today, I quite enjoy it tho. I'm just taking the entire mid-day to relax and engage in some good conversation. I'll probably be out of here in the evening, give you guys some breathing room :)

And yes, I realize the irony of making yet another post to apologize for post whoring :P

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Weird, I've given an open invitation for any "all knowing, all powerful" gods to show themselves. So far none have come.
i was rather irritated that i didn't get an engraved invitation, but i realize that it would have been rather costly, considering the number of possible deities you would have had to sift through. i'll be over on the 6th at about 3am to discuss my omnipotence and the exact details concerning your conversion to delusionalism. i'd appreciate it if you'd have a bottle of jd handy, running the universe into oblivion is thirsty work.
:hippy:

[Hardcore Newbie]

i was rather irritated that i didn't get an engraved invitation, but i realize that it would have been rather costly, considering the number of possible deities you would have had to sift through. i'll be over on the 6th at about 3am to discuss my omnipotence and the exact details concerning your conversion to delusionalism. i'd appreciate it if you'd have a bottle of jd handy, running the universe into oblivion is thirsty work.
:hippy:The open invite was done a long time ago in the privacy of my own bedroom, using thoughts only. If you were an all knowing being, you'd have known that ;)

Also, if you were all knowing, you'd know that I was unaware of your deity status. Cheers to deceivers :D

[Oh So Grow So]

this link is a gift to all my fellow realists.

FSTDT: Top 100 Quotes (http://www.fstdt.com/fundies/top100.aspx)

[delusionsofNORMALity]

The open invite was done a long time ago in the privacy of my own bedroom, using thoughts only. If you were an all knowing being, you'd have known that ;)

Also, if you were all knowing, you'd know that I was unaware of your deity status. Cheers to deceivers :D

oh, i heard you in that bedroom so long ago (i also saw what you did later - for shame, for shame) and i know you have not yet come into the fold. there is still time for you to mend your ways. believe in me and you shall have a place at my side when i bring down my wrath on the rest of humanity. give to me your allegiance and you will be spared my terrible retribution. for i am a vengeful god and will not be refused.

[Hardcore Newbie]

oh, i heard you in that bedroom so long ago (i also saw what you did later - for shame, for shame) and i know you have not yet come into the fold. there is still time for you to mend your ways. believe in me and you shall have a place at my side when i bring down my wrath on the rest of humanity. give to me your allegiance and you will be spared my terrible retribution. for i am a vengeful god and will not be refused.
Sorry, I was mistaken, I now vividly remember that open invitation taking place in my living room. My bad, but you should've known that too ;)

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Sorry, I was mistaken, I now vividly remember that open invitation taking place in my living room. My bad, but you should've known that too ;)

you've sent out that invitation so many times that even i can hardly number them. deny me all you wish, but remember my warnings. when the time comes for all to bow down before my majesty, only those who came willingly shall be rewarded and my punishments are varied and horrible. how would you like to listen to pat robertson and benny hinn for the rest of eternity or perhaps you might enjoy spending all time submerged in a fiery lake of tofu and bean sprouts. repent now and you may be forgiven. don't wait until it's too late.

[palerider7777]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
Are you saying it's impossible to outsmart someone because they made you?

If it were the case that your maker must always be smarter than the offspring or creation, we wouldn't have computers to have this conversation.
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very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday u know letting satan run the place.and as far as him having to show himself to u, i see it everyday and in karate even. if a pupil challenged the teacher or called him out the pupil would find himself on his back, and more than not be kicked out. cause it's the teachers way not urs.u all will find out soon enough, or either u will all have space ships by then. floating around to the next planet as there will soon be a super nova/red giant., lol well really as smart as u all are u won't need space ships, u can transport ur selfs as u do now.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday....

an omnipotent being that would purposely create a race of culls? you refute your own argument before your first breath ends. this god you have devised would seem to be a cruel and foolhardy master. it's amazing that such a disingenuous mythology could have spread so far.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts? But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks :D

[Hardcore Newbie]

very lame, he must be pretty smart as he's weeding out dumb asses by the thousands everyday u know letting satan run the place.and as far as him having to show himself to u, i see it everyday and in karate even. if a pupil challenged the teacher or called him out the pupil would find himself on his back, and more than not be kicked out. cause it's the teachers way not urs.u all will find out soon enough, or either u will all have space ships by then. floating around to the next planet as there will soon be a super nova/red giant., lol well really as smart as u all are u won't need space ships, u can transport ur selfs as u do now.

He doesn't HAVE to do anything. But again, I've extended conversation, and I'm waiting.

And i don't know what martial arts you practice, as we regularly sparred with our trainers. Generally then instructors that don't want you to spar with them are
a) not very good and just taking your money
b) give wishy washy explanation about only using their arts when necessary, yet encourage their students to participate in tournaments.

I don't have a reason to challenge my trainers, I spar with them all the time. They're pretty friggin good too.

The analogy is further flawed by the fact that I'm not challenging God, I'm asking for conversation.

And for the supernova thing, you keep bringing it up like I think it's going to happen tomorrow. I *think* it *might* happen in some millions of years. We've produced incredible technology within the last few hundred, so any thing's possible.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts?
then i'll put you down for the tofu and sprouts special

But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks :D
so far you've changed the number 27 times, oops make that 28. as an official deity, i refuse to play such games. remember, i'm not bound by human morality and if you don't start shaping up i'll have you spending eternity as jerry falwell's sex toy.

[Hardcore Newbie]

then i'll put you down for the tofu and sprouts special

so far you've changed the number 27 times, oops make that 28. as an official deity, i refuse to play such games. remember, i'm not bound by human morality and if you don't start shaping up i'll have you spending eternity as jerry falwell's sex toy.
I think we'll stop here as, even tho funny, it's getting absurd and off track. My imaginative hat is tipped towards you, whichever direction you may be in.

[palerider7777]

an omnipotent being that would purposely create a race of culls? you refute your own argument before your first breath ends. this god you have devised would seem to be a cruel and foolhardy master. it's amazing that such a disingenuous mythology could have spread so far.
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no he created the human race with free will

[palerider7777]

Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts? But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks
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yea they are a show, and nothing more but guys that make money off of followers. sorry u can't put me into that group. as im sure u would hope i liked these guys but no.and im guessing around 10, as u might not be able to count much higher. as ur brain is to busy wondering what 2 rocks in space might collide next so u can have a puppy dog to play with.

[palerider7777]

The open invite was done a long time ago in the privacy of my own bedroom, using thoughts only. If you were an all knowing being, you'd have known that

Also, if you were all knowing, you'd know that I was unaware of your deity status. Cheers to deceivers
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so gods supposed to show himself everytime someone asks him to all the while doubting him all the way and he's supposed to be at ur beckin call wow u don't ask much do u?...

[palerider7777]

You seem to think that these things happen in an observable amount of time, but humans have only been part of the universe for barely a fraction of it's estimated life span

as if i did'nt know that yes i know that!lol ok u believe we came from tad poles right?or toads what ever the hell it is. my ? is as nature is plunking these lil things out by the million/billions a year or more would there not be proof? hell live ones even as nature plunks them out over and over everyday. would we not be able to see these "middle men". u know the missing link, the frog man, or whatever u think we are. i mean would we not be frogs in sum way as thats what we evolved from?

where is the remains of these half man half frog middlemen? or was it one day all of them were frogs and over nite they all changed over nite oh yea it's such a slow process so the whole over nite thing is outta the ? so as slow as a process is where are all these frog men remains why is it always just sketches?

[palerider7777]

By the way, here's an important question all you religious folks should ask yourselves. What makes you think your deity is any more real than a superhero in a comic book, or Santa Clause even? These are all fictitious entities created to bring a little joy and hope into the lives of people so why could not God have been as well? In my opinion God is just the ultimate superhero, if somebody didn't create it some thousand years ago then some artist would be making money off "The Adventures of God" comic book and movie franchise today.
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well for 1 a deity is from rome, god was known by all not some made up shit from people that wanted to make up something to fit there needs.well all i can say is i told ya so.i wonder all the people i talk to like u well remember this lil talk when ur bowed and on ur knees in front of the lord of lords

[Oh So Grow So]

yeah so my link got burried. I'm going to now quote several posts from a "top 100 christian Fundamentalism quotes" website. they're fucking hilerious.

Fundamentalism In A Nutshell Award

"There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least."

Highly Polished Mirror Award

"I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it. I don't really care how God did what He did. I know He did it."

"You got it backwards.
Creationism is based upon science, reason and tons of evidence.
Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales."

Fundie Debate Tactics Award
""Make sure your answer uses Scripture, not logic.""

Fundamentalism in a Nutshell
"[Am I in discussion with a human who has a functioning brain?]

"[Replying to 'as for not seeing evolution it takes several million years... incase you missed that memo...']


several million years for a monkey to turn into a man. oh wait thats right. monkeys dont live several million years."

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What does a functioning brain have to do with the Bible?"


"But God don't talk in Arabic. He talks in a REAL language, namely, English. It's true that back in them days He translated that to some other language after Speaking it in English, but after all, it's His universe and He can do what He doggone well wants to do."
DesertFox, Free Conservatives [Comments (128)] 2006-Dec-13 <- (one of our fine boys in khaki i'm sure)

[eg420ne]

yeah so my link got burried. I'm going to now quote several posts from a "top 100 christian Fundamentalism quotes" website. they're fucking hilerious.

Fundamentalism In A Nutshell Award

"There are a lot of things I have concluded to be wrong, without studying them in-depth. Evolution is one of them. The fact that I don't know that much about it does not bother me in the least."

Highly Polished Mirror Award

"I often debate with evolutionists because I believe that they are narrow mindedly and dogmatically accepting evolution without questioning it. I don't really care how God did what He did. I know He did it."

"You got it backwards.
Creationism is based upon science, reason and tons of evidence.
Evolution is based on the blind acceptance of superstitions and fairy tales."

Fundie Debate Tactics Award
""Make sure your answer uses Scripture, not logic.""

Fundamentalism in a Nutshell
"[Am I in discussion with a human who has a functioning brain?]

"[Replying to 'as for not seeing evolution it takes several million years... incase you missed that memo...']


several million years for a monkey to turn into a man. oh wait thats right. monkeys dont live several million years."

Post of the Week (3)
What does a functioning brain have to do with the Bible?"


"But God don't talk in Arabic. He talks in a REAL language, namely, English. It's true that back in them days He translated that to some other language after Speaking it in English, but after all, it's His universe and He can do what He doggone well wants to do."
DesertFox, Free Conservatives [Comments (128)] 2006-Dec-13 <- (one of our fine boys in khaki i'm sure)Thats sum funny shiites:thumbsup:

[Hardcore Newbie]

so gods supposed to show himself everytime someone asks him to all the while doubting him all the way and he's supposed to be at ur beckin call wow u don't ask much do u?...Actually, what I'm asking for is a conversation. For an all powerful being, it's literally NOTHING. I'm not expecting a reply, but if it happens, awesome! Maybe I hold faultless, all powerful, all knowing, loving and just beings in a higher regard than you.

So far, you've done nothing but belittle me at any chance you get. You smear my words and putting words into my mouth.

all will bow one day,so ur saying that some will/can survive this supernova from the sun and will be able to carry on on another planet...lol and im the dumb oneI never said people can/will take residence in space, you just think I did, or you ignore the fact that I presented it as a possibility, just to laugh at the presentation.


After asking if you are indeed inferring that I am an idiot in two posts:

opps i see im breaking one of my own rules in my sig damn that does make me dumb...alil anyways:thumbsup: I attempted to clarify the situation

It's hard to detect sarcasm in text, or at least many people find it difficult.
if you're inferring that I'm an idiot and I'm "beating you" with idiocy, then I'll refrain from talking to you. If you aren't trying to infer that I'm an idiot, please clarify, because it certainly looks like you are. If you're being sarcastic again, let me know.You don't bother to address this, and actually insult me again.
as im sure u would hope i liked these guys but no.and im guessing around 10, as u might not be able to count much higher. as ur brain is to busy wondering what 2 rocks in space might collide next so u can have a puppy dog to play with.In this statement you put more words in my mouth and again belittle my intelligence. To clarify, because I know you must care very much about other people's opinions... I don't spend the majority of the day wondering which two rocks are going to collide.

I've gone out of my way to not insult you. You are incredibly difficult to converse with, and not because I disagree with what you're saying. I disagree with Pass That Shit very much, but (s)he is a joy to converse with, because PTS actually adds content to the conversation. You, on the other hand, insult anyone that disagrees with your view point, and reply to very few rebuttles to questions and scenarios that you yourself ask and pose for others to answer.

I will give my only fact in the thread.

I think you are the idiot that you speak of in your signature. FACT.

Good day, sir.

[palerider7777]

In this statement you put more words in my mouth and again belittle my intelligence. To clarify, because I know you must care very much about other people's opinions... I don't spend the majority of the day wondering which two rocks are going to collide.

I've gone out of my way to not insult you. You are incredibly difficult to converse with, and not because I disagree with what you're saying. I disagree with Pass That Shit very much, but (s)he is a joy to converse with, because PTS actually adds content to the conversation. You, on the other hand, insult anyone that disagrees with your view point, and reply to very few rebuttles to questions and scenarios that you yourself ask and pose for others to answer.

I will give my only fact in the thread.

I think you are the idiot that you speak of in your signature. FACT.

lmfao that was good but wrong what have i said that insults u im talking to everyone here u act as if im sum "matter" under ur feet u look down ur nose at people like me as if ur far more advanced in thinking as to me.and i've tried to answer all ur responces but no "matter" what i say it makes no "matter"as what ever i say makes no "matter"too u so good day to u sir....no wait let me ask u this then what do u really think happens when u die??? nothing??

[ghosty]

God is simply a widely believed manifestation caused by the need to explain that which we do not understand, in a way that can be understood. When people have no way of explaning where they came from and how it came to be they feel uneasy and restless.

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to create him" - Voltaire

[palerider7777]

so u don't believe theres a good/ evil,..ying&yang,no good karma/bad karma,no soul just ur brain that guides u what??and no im not putting words in ur mouth, but with what u say u think to be true goes hand in hand with the stuff i said/asked u. so u can't half ass it, i mean if u don't believe in nothing and were all just matter, then life would'nt matter to u much, or why should it? i mean were all just matter, and theres no higher being that has a plan beyond our lifes, so why would it matter?

if people kill each other, and do all the bad things they do cause thats what matter does.it destroy's,creates over and over that means all the people out there raping, killing,and wars, all that is happening like it's supposed to right?or is it that the matter that make up humans, is/are the exception to the "matter"rule??

[palerider7777]

God is simply a widely believed manifestation caused by the need to explain that which we do not understand, in a way that can be understood. When people have no way of explaning where they came from and how it came to be they feel uneasy and restless.

"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to create him" - Voltaire
can that not be the same for the big bang theroy??or any other for that matter?

[Hardcore Newbie]

lmfao that was good but wrong what have i said that insults u im talking to everyone here u act as if im sum "matter" under ur feet u look down ur nose at people like me as if ur far more advanced in thinking as to me.and i've tried to answer all ur responces but no "matter" what i say it makes no "matter"as what ever i say makes no "matter"too u so good day to u sir....no wait let me ask u this then what do u really think happens when u die??? nothing??Since you have a hard time responding to paragraphs, I'll put it in point form, with all of my questions and concerns in bold.


You say that your insults are not directed at me, and then state your insults are directed at everyone. Do you not see the contradiction? Wouldn't it infer that if you're insulting everyone, that I am included?
Also, you claim to be speaking to everyone with your insults, yet you address me by quoting my words, and insult. Here is a post, in its entirety, posted by you, including the post of mine that you are addressing. I will add emphasis.
Pat Robertson, Benny Hinn? I love comedies! But one thing's for sure, you are all knowing. How did you know that i despise veggies and sprouts? But just to be sure, I have to ask...

I'm thinking of a number between 1 and .... well, I'll make you tell me the range of numbers that I'm thinking of as well. Thanks
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yea they are a show, and nothing more but guys that make money off of followers. sorry u can't put me into that group. as im sure u would hope i liked these guys but no.and im guessing around 10, as u might not be able to count much higher. as ur brain is to busy wondering what 2 rocks in space might collide next so u can have a puppy dog to play with.So are you still claiming to be speaking to everyone? If so, why are you using "u" [sic] after quoting someone? Are you inferring that "u" is in fact plural, and that you're insinuating that nobody in the thread (except yourself, of course LMFAO!! LOL) has the knowledge to count that high?
The reason your responses have less and less meaning is because you are very selective in your responses, and the one that you do are filled with insults towards people, towards their ideas, and scoffing laughter.But in answer to your question, I've already said that I don't know what happens. Let me reiterate. I don't know.

I think that nothing happens, you just die, people mourn, and you are remembered for your time and contribution on earth.

I figure you response will start with putting my post above yours but not bothering to use the quote button for easy formatting. In your case though, it will be easy to tell where my text stops and your text begins, we have a very different approach to writing. I prefer to be clear and concise, and you prefer to "keep ur brain going", not by what you say, but because you can't be bothered to type coherently. I think it will look something like this:

"lol absurd, u no as much as i do that god is real and you have to answer haha what you think he dont know u or what you do you think you can talk to god who made you so special tadpole worms from space away from supernovas that explode? that makes life and takes life, you can believe that but you can't believe in god everything is ok untel you dont like it he does a good job to me now lets talk about something totally different like gravity you believe gravity whats up with that? how did the universe make gravity oh yeah spaceships brought it so we can eat cake"

[palerider7777]

You say that your insults are not directed at me, and then state your insults are directed at everyone. Do you not see the contradiction? Wouldn't it infer that if you're insulting everyone, that I am included?
Also, you claim to be speaking to everyone with your insults, yet you address me by quoting my words, and insult. Here is a post, in its entirety, posted by you, including the post of mine that you are addressing. I will add emphasis.
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as u might not be able to count much higher
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still no insult just a smart ass remark, as i do seem to remember u starting out first. if i do recall i mean me being a kid and all right, so is that not expected of someone thats not as evolved as everyone else? i sure hope i end up doing something that "matters"someday.man im funny i must have used the word "matter"a few hundred time so far so that tells me thats gotta be the truth...i guess.

u know what it's weird the system that u hate so much as is against pretty much everything u stand for u know weed, free thinking,beer,ur rights as a person,u know the system that everybody on this site hates, the gov and all the other bs thats out there.this same system has brain washed u cause most of what u know about what u think u know came from where?school right books that were approved by who... the government. the same people u have grown to hate and disagree with. so it's odd to me that u say u hate/disaprove of this government, but yet u will believe anything they cram down ur throats....funny to say the least.

[palerider7777]

The reason your responses have less and less meaning is because you are very selective in your responses, and the one that you do are filled with insults towards people, towards their ideas, and scoffing laughter

no really if we were face to face we could talk. and i could say everything on my mind. not just bits here and there trying to reply to what u say. and really i don't have the time to sit here all day typing, i'd be here all day.and there u go insulting again and to put the blame all on me..nice and for the record, and i know i'll get sum good repercussion off this. u ready this u will get a kick out of but i don't care. as i know what i have done, and it's been all on my own. so thats more i can say for most people but anyways, i think i write pretty good and know quite a bit for having only a 5th grade education. and everything i know is self taughtand i don't think sitting here to learn how to type perfect will pay my bills. so no i have had no corruption from schools that try to push there views on someone. i mean sum are good but some are'nt. so u can bash me all u want for not knowing or caring where to put the periods commas and all that. i don't have a desk job where i write too much anyways im to busy running a business. i build and repair computers i can build/remodel houses and i grew up in locksmithing, and i love geology and prospecting for minerals so call it what u will.

[Brown Bomber]

god doesnt exist because if he did id see amputees regrow their arms or legs.

[GraziLovesMary]

A thought such as
Quote:
Why would a person go to heaven and another go to hell, living identical lives, except one is a believer and the other isn't?

might come up. I personally think that it's unfair, and there's no good reason for it. In my mind, any truly just God would not care about such a trivial piece of information, especially one that is so hidden from people in the first place. I'd need a reason to believe why someone who believes is apparently better than someone who doesn't. If that reason is hidden, or simply not told, it's probably for an unjust reason

thats where people are wrong like ur self,it's not that way at all.first there's people that believe in god for the right reasons,and then there's the ones "preacher for the most part"that make a living on it.i'll ask u this, say u were dating 2 girls at the same time, and u loved them the the same equally. but only 1 of them loved u back and the other one did the same as the other but the one loved u back and the other didn't, who would u pick..?let me guess i know you'll either say neither, or u can't decide i know you'll come up with something to make u feel right. but we both know the truth don't we...!


lol another good one so what ur saying is mankind and earth as we no it well life as a whole as we know it are doomed anyways so why would it matter if us "humans"destory ourselfs i mean theres nothing after this anyways right as u say?whats the big deal might as well go out with a "bang"as thats how we started right? lol ok first contradiction over now to the 2nd ok u say were all just "matter caused by other matter collecting together right?then is'nt that global warming weather it be from "mankind/aka matter"or from the earth gonna happen anyways as were all just "matter" im sure u believe as the rest in here do as the big bang/evo/ it should'nt "matter" what we as humans do as we are all just "matter" and thats what matter" does evo use up destory create right??

Are you a troll? Seriously... or are you just 12? I didnt think it was possible, but you completely misinterpreted everything I said. You are so off, the only way I can see it, you did it on purpose.

Or maybe you should not get so high.. whatever you are doing before you post maybe you should not...

[Hardcore Newbie]

still no insult just a smart ass remark, as i do seem to remember u starting out first. if i do recall i mean me being a kid and all right, so is that not expected of someone thats not as evolved as everyone else?
Instead of saying you think that i did something, find the passage, quote the post, and point it out. I've directly quoted what you consider a 'smart ass remark'

i sure hope i end up doing something that "matters"someday.man im funny i must have used the word "matter"a few hundred time so far so that tells me thats gotta be the truth...i guess.
The following is sarcasm.

Yes, everyone knows the person who uses "matters" in quotation marks, no "matter" what the subject, is automatically telling the truth, and is therefore right. "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" ... oh shit i'm winning. :wtf:


u know what it's weird the system that u hate so much as is against pretty much everything u stand for u know weed, free thinking,beer,ur rights as a person,u know the system that everybody on this site hates, the gov and all the other bs thats out there.this same system has brain washed u cause most of what u know about what u think u know came from where?school right books that were approved by who... the government. the same people u have grown to hate and disagree with. so it's odd to me that u say u hate/disaprove of this government, but yet u will believe anything they cram down ur throats....funny to say the least.
yep, you definitely know what you're talking about, weed and beer come from the government, free thinking is taught in school (far from it).
I don't think the government is evil the whole way through. I just belief that their laws are stupid. We have over 6,000,000 statutes that we're supposed to abide by, which only serve as money making tools for the government. that's the part of governemnt I don't like. Firefighters? Awesome. Hospitals? Amazing. Law enforcement? well, the peace officers are cool and needed, the lawful officers are another a word, ... it ends with "sshole"

no really if we were face to face we could talk. and i could say everything on my mind. not just bits here and there trying to reply to what u say. and really i don't have the time to sit here all day typing, i'd be here all day.
How would a face to face conversation be different? I'd still be asking the same questions that you don't answer. Big people discussions take time. Typing them is a much better way because you can keep a log of who said what. Oh wait, no wonder you'd rather talk.

and there u go insulting again and to put the blame all on me..nice and for the record, and i know i'll get sum good repercussion off this.
I see no insults. Again, if you want to show me an insult, quote it. Otherwise, you have nothing to complain about. I can't argue against a claim which you can't back up. My "blaming" you wasn't just saying "oh he's dumb look! hahha", I showed you how you were insulting me, I showed you how you were being selective in your response, I showed you that you insult peoples ideas, I showed you your laugher.

Instead of saying "no I didn't mean it like that, this is what I mean" and proceed with explanation, you instead say "look you're blaming me". Yes, I am blaming you, you aren't debating the points I'm making, and you certainly aren't refuting my claims. This tells me that you either agree with me, or you don't care enough about the argument, so you won't contest them. *BUT* it can't be the latter, because you are expressing your concerns, you're just not doing anything about it.


u ready this u will get a kick out of but i don't care. as i know what i have done, and it's been all on my own. so thats more i can say for most people but anyways, i think i write pretty good and know quite a bit for having only a 5th grade education. and everything i know is self taughtand i don't think sitting here to learn how to type perfect will pay my bills. so no i have had no corruption from schools that try to push there views on someone. i mean sum are good but some are'nt. so u can bash me all u want for not knowing or caring where to put the periods commas and all that. i don't have a desk job where i write too much anyways im to busy running a business. i build and repair computers i can build/remodel houses and i grew up in locksmithing, and i love geology and prospecting for minerals so call it what u will.This isn't really related to the discussion, but it's cool learning about the people you're talking with.

The reason I wanted you to type with better grammar is because I want to know what you're saying. It's been decent these past few posts. I'm interested in what you have to say, I just wish you'd say it. Take it as a compliment.

Edit* And please use the quote button. Please.

[palerider7777]

Edit* And please use the quote button. Please
don't know how to this is the first forum i've been to so i don't know all the in's and out's of everything on here.

[palerider7777]

Ok, insults aside, I can barely read what you're typing." It's not just the spelling and shorthand", but the grammar makes it barely readable. If your first language isn't english, I apologize.
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i think that was the first time u said something, as if u don't see it all over the place on here...but not that i was counting but since it was brought up.

[GraziLovesMary]

Edit* And please use the quote button. Please
don't know how to this is the first forum i've been to so i don't know all the in's and out's of everything on here.

Go to the persons post that you want to quote. On the bottom right hand side there is a button that says "QUOTE"

Press it.

[palerider7777]

The following is sarcasm.

Yes, everyone knows the person who uses "matters" in quotation marks, no "matter" what the subject, is automatically telling the truth, and is therefore right. "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" "matter" ... oh shit i'm winning

well iv'e been taking just about everything u say as sarcasm, as most people that think the way u do and others seem to be fixed on one way. and im not saying thats all of the things u say are wrong, but more sarcastically said. as to just prove im wrong and there is no master plan. as where i believe in god, and a master plan. with out all the bs put in there by man like the bible thumpers believe, that the worlds only 6000years old or sum shit like that.

and no im not for all the bs that preachers preach on t.v, and in churches, as there all just a show and prowl on the weak. and people that say that religion is something made up from the government of the time, to control people is true but god being made up, no i say. just look at the book of revelation, would a government or who ever "made it up" so to say it's not real "god" would they put a book like that into the "bible", condemning themself? cause thats what the book is really about judging the churches. and all the diffrent regilions that man has morphed god into,a business none the less.

[palerider7777]

Go to the persons post that you want to quote. On the bottom right hand side there is a button that says "QUOTE"
i know that but i don't know how to get 1 part not the whole thing.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Ok, insults aside, I can barely read what you're typing." It's not just the spelling and shorthand", but the grammar makes it barely readable. If your first language isn't english, I apologize.
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i think that was the first time u said something, as if u don't see it all over the place on here...but not that i was counting but since it was brought up.

The above is your quote with my quote in it.

I fail to see the insult. "insults aside" and an apology before you even got to see the message. The statement without the meat basically says "this isn't meant to be insulting, and if you do find it insulting, I apologize". I offered an apology before you even had a chance to be insulted. If you're offended by this somehow, then you're taking offense to a genuine criticism, not the alleged insult.

[KeithBarry]

Because creation 'Ex Nihilo' (out of nothing) is not an option.

k

[Hardcore Newbie]

well iv'e been taking just about everything u say as sarcasm,
Look what I found, THE PROBLEM. By your own words, you are taking very little of what I say seriously, despite my best efforts to engage in big people conversation with you.

as most people that think the way u do and others seem to be fixed on one way.
Another problem, you're stereotyping me into a group of "most people (that think the way you do). Ever stop to think that maybe, maybe I'm not most people?

and im not saying thats all of the things u say are wrong, but more sarcastically said.
Why be sarcastic when it doesn't translate well in an argument, or in text? Why not just state your beliefs, or refute what I say? It works a lot better than exaggerate what I say and pretending that's the way I think.

as to just prove im wrong and there is no master plan.
I'm not "out to get you". I'm just asking questions and figuring out your reasoning. If I see something that I feel is wrong in your reasoning, I'll point it out. If you think my logic is wrong, point it out and explain why, instead of just saying I'm wrong and putting words into my mouth through "smart ass remarks" and exaggeration.

as where i believe in god, and a master plan. with out all the bs put in there by man like the bible thumpers believe, that the worlds only 6000years old or sum shit like that.

and no im not for all the bs that preachers preach on t.v, and in churches, as there all just a show and prowl on the weak. and people that say that religion is something made up from the government of the time, to control people is true but god being made up, no i say. just look at the book of revelation, would a government or who ever "made it up" so to say it's not real "god" would they put a book like that into the "bible", condemning themself? cause thats what the book is really about judging the churches. and all the diffrent regilions that man has morphed god into,a business none the less.I've never lumped you in with anyone. I'm not assuming I know your beliefs, because we're all individuals. You seem to think that I'm lumping you in with every bible thumper, and I plain and simply haven't done that. My questions are not attacks and attempts to stereotype, they're simply questions.

Question: If I make a tutorial on how to use the boards for you, will you read it and attempt to use it?

I'm going golfing, haven't gone in a long time, and I'm expecting a bad game :p

[KeithBarry]

Sorry I must have been stoned! I thought you said "one reason why God DOES exist" ha ha

Great to see so much communication though...

k

[palerider7777]

Question: If I make a tutorial on how to use the boards for you, will you read it and attempt to use it?

yes i would

[palerider7777]

no attempt i would read it and put it to use

[Hardcore Newbie]

Question: If I make a tutorial on how to use the boards for you, will you read it and attempt to use it?

yes i would
Cool, i just got back and I'll write it either today or tomorrow. Right now I'm beat, the sun has gotten to me.

[GraziLovesMary]

i know that but i don't know how to get 1 part not the whole thing.

You just highlight the text that you dont want, and press the "Backspace" button.

[GraziLovesMary]

well iv'e been taking just about everything u say as sarcasm, as most people that think the way u do and others seem to be fixed on one way. and im not saying thats all of the things u say are wrong, but more sarcastically said. as to just prove im wrong and there is no master plan. as where i believe in god, and a master plan. with out all the bs put in there by man like the bible thumpers believe, that the worlds only 6000years old or sum shit like that.

and no im not for all the bs that preachers preach on t.v, and in churches, as there all just a show and prowl on the weak. and people that say that religion is something made up from the government of the time, to control people is true but god being made up, no i say. just look at the book of revelation, would a government or who ever "made it up" so to say it's not real "god" would they put a book like that into the "bible", condemning themself? cause thats what the book is really about judging the churches. and all the diffrent regilions that man has morphed god into,a business none the less.

You strike me as a very lost and confused youngster. You seem to expect that everybody should share your opinion on the subject, yet you seem to have a very hard time communicating that opinion in any feasible way that makes sense. Im not trying to insult you, I am simply confused by the way you work. And I believe its because you have confused yourself.

[majin]

Because god never existed.

+ favorite :rastasmoke:

[Pass That Shit]

Sorry I must have been stoned! I thought you said "one reason why God DOES exist" ha ha

Great to see so much communication though...

k

LOL,
All is welcome. As you can see, everyone drops their two cents in here. :hippy:

[dirfjiggler]

The sun is my god. It gives me all I need and its why I'm here.

[Oh So Grow So]

You are a very decent pro-active guy hardcore-newbie. :thumbsup:

[Nightcrewman]

God doesn't exist as I never won the lottery again this week.

NCM

[palerider7777]

You strike me as a very lost and confused youngster. You seem to expect that everybody should share your opinion on the subject, yet you seem to have a very hard time communicating that opinion in any feasible way that makes sense. Im not trying to insult you, I am simply confused by the way you work. And I believe its because you have confused yourself.

well first off im alot older than u. and the way i think is'nt childish thats the problem with "u" youngsters, i noticed growing up and i was born in the 70's. and i could tell at a young age all the bs they started putting in schools in the 80's. u know the whole white mans evil, don't fuck, but if u do just have an abortion, parents raise ur kids right, but don't discipline them, and i might add all these professionals that tell u how to raise ur kids don't even have kids, the whole school/t.v teach ur kids era, well the 80's were where it really started to take off the whole i can do but u can't era.

i mean i could go on for ever pointing out facts. but the whole free speech thing don't seem to go over to well on here. and i'd be labeled a great many things as well, im sure for just askin ??.i mean the shit they teach in school about history is alot of bougus shit. i tell ya but i know im wrong the schools teach nothing but the truth so help them "god"opps

[FUSER/CHE]

Of course god exists. Otherwise i wouldn't have been created so perfect.:)

[Pass That Shit]

God doesn't exist as I never won the lottery again this week.

NCM

Again? How much the first time? :smokin:

[Pass That Shit]

Of course god exists. Otherwise i wouldn't have been created so perfect.:)

I agree.
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What does evolution have to do with a seed turning into a nice plant full of thc flowers? What does evolution have to do with sperm turning into a human being? Everything is of seed of itself. So nature teaches us that if we are men, we came from a man.
Speaking of flowers, here's my Early Misty......

[Hardcore Newbie]

no attempt i would read it and put it to use
http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/127211-quoting-tutorial.html#post1574169

Any questions or confusions, lemme know :)

[GraziLovesMary]

well first off im alot older than u. and the way i think is'nt childish thats the problem with "u" youngsters, i noticed growing up and i was born in the 70's. and i could tell at a young age all the bs they started putting in schools in the 80's. u know the whole white mans evil, don't fuck, but if u do just have an abortion, parents raise ur kids right, but don't discipline them, and i might add all these professionals that tell u how to raise ur kids don't even have kids, the whole school/t.v teach ur kids era, well the 80's were where it really started to take off the whole i can do but u can't era.

i mean i could go on for ever pointing out facts. but the whole free speech thing don't seem to go over to well on here. and i'd be labeled a great many things as well, im sure for just askin ??.i mean the shit they teach in school about history is alot of bougus shit. i tell ya but i know im wrong the schools teach nothing but the truth so help them "god"opps

I dont believe you. And if you really are as much older than me as you are indicating, then I would recommend trying to unlearn some of the things you have learned. Your methods of debate and grasp on the structure of communication are severely lacking. Maybe you are simply severely computer illiterate and have a problem translating your thoughts into typed word. If thats the case, then I apologize, but only a face-to-face conversation that we will never have would be able to prove that, so... I dunno. I wish you the best in your search.. if indeed you are searching for anything. If you think you have already found everything you need to be searching for, then I pity you. Whatever the case I wish you peace and prosperity.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

Yes there is a GOD, For if you are a believer or a non-believer, When most people get into a dangerous life threating situation they plea to GOD...( "Please GOD, I'M SORRY GOD, I WILL CHANGE,just give me one more chance,........JUST START MY CAR!!!!") But there are more serious examples that also fit into that sentance...and then everyone hopes for the miracle

[FUSER/CHE]

I agree.
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What does evolution have to do with a seed turning into a nice plant full of thc flowers? What does evolution have to do with sperm turning into a human being? Everything is of seed of itself. So nature teaches us that if we are men, we came from a man.
Speaking of flowers, here's my Early Misty......


Exactly.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Yes there is a GOD, For if you are a believer or a non-believer, When most people get into a dangerous life threating situation they plea to GOD...( "Please GOD, I'M SORRY GOD, I WILL CHANGE,just give me one more chance,........JUST START MY CAR!!!!") But there are more serious examples that also fit into that sentance...and then everyone hopes for the miracle
Chalk it up to habit and desperation. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I honestly prayed to a sandwich once because I was hungry and I wanted it to grow. I didn't expect the sandwich to grow, and I knew it was impossible, but I wanted it so much, I prayed anyways.

I didn't believe that the sandwich was even a sentient being, but desperate people will do anything in desperate times.

[palerider7777]

I dont believe you. And if you really are as much older than me as you are indicating, then I would recommend trying to unlearn some of the things you have learned. Your methods of debate and grasp on the structure of communication are severely lacking. Maybe you are simply severely computer illiterate and have a problem translating your thoughts into typed word. If thats the case, then I apologize, but only a face-to-face conversation that we will never have would be able to prove that, so... I dunno. I wish you the best in your search.. if indeed you are searching for anything. If you think you have already found everything you need to be searching for, then I pity you. Whatever the case I wish you peace and prosperity.

the laugh is on u then, im content in my thinking and iv'e found all i need and that is god.he is all i need and all everyone needs. some see that now others will soon enough. no need for pity here, but i do pity u if ur not content in ur life. that must be a sad place to be to be always searching for something when it's right there in ur face. but hey what do i know, im the one thats a kid right. u remind me of brad pitt in legends of the fall, where he was always looking for sumthing that he thought was void in his soul. then by the time he knew what he had he lost it all.or do u not have a soul as ur just matter?

[palerider7777]

Yes there is a GOD, For if you are a believer or a non-believer, When most people get into a dangerous life threating situation they plea to GOD...( "Please GOD, I'M SORRY GOD, I WILL CHANGE,just give me one more chance,........JUST START MY CAR!!!!") But there are more serious examples that also fit into that sentance...and then everyone hopes for the miracle

watch out as they will hit u in ur grammer, "sentance". i thought they would have attacked u for it by now but...they must be slipping up sum. i don't get it really though cause this is a pot head website not grammer class. but what do i know, anyways what u said is true. and all the doubters of god will plea for his help at one point in there life. or on there deathbeds or when fear really strikes them. i think it's just a lack of parenting, and i do know im right about that.

[JerzeeAmbeez]

opps...spelling isn't one of my strong points although now smoking now thats one of my strong points .....can't spell worth a damn but I can roll a mean blunt tho (thank you GOD)

[palerider7777]

lol nice

[Maximiliannnn]

i dont know what god is, but i know that god is.

[palerider7777]

leg·i·ble(lj-bl)
adj.
1. Possible to read or decipher: legible handwriting.
2. Plainly discernible; apparent: legible weaknesses in character and disposition

now tell me how u can't read what i write i thought the text on here was default as with what im typing with now DO I NEED TO WRITE IT OUT IN CAPS C.A.N Y.O.U R.E.A.D T.H.I.S?? maybe the default type is not clear enough for u?

[palerider7777]

watch out as they will hit u in ur grammer, "sentance". i thought they would have attacked u for it by now but...they must be slipping up sum. i don't get it really though cause this is a pot head website not grammer class. but what do i know, anyways what u said is true. and all the doubters of god will plea for his help at one point in there life. or on there deathbeds or when fear really strikes them. i think it's just a lack of parenting, and i do know im right about that.

tell me what u don't understand about that or anything else iv'e said it looks pretty clear to me??

[meatw4d]

Sex is pleasurable, therefore God exists.

[Nightcrewman]

Again? How much the first time? :smokin:

LOL I meant I never won again, not I never won again.

If I cant understand the sentence and I wrote it no one else has a chance:)

NCM

[Hardcore Newbie]

Sex is pleasurable, therefore God exists.Yep, but it's less fun without BJs and eating out. i think those are considered Sodomy by Biblical standards. I can't even bust a nut in her face without god getting mad... I mean, I can understand her getting mad cause she's told me not to do it many times, but God? :p:p

An aside: After the grammar lessons and pages of off topic back and forth, no one's decided to debate my logic. The replies that I did get, I've refuted and they've gone without rebuttal. I think they call that a "win" in sports terminology. :D

[civil divil]

I am.Says it all to me in two words.

[palerider7777]

I wasn't referring to that response in particular, I meant some of your previous ones where you just smash all of your ideas together. Those are the ones we are complaining about. What you just said is understandable. Take this for example though



I don't require you to write in capitals for me to understand, it would however be nice if you'd take the extra 5 seconds to organize your thoughts and use punctuation. If you were to do so, maybe people wouldn't misinterpret your posts and ideas so much...

don't try to be a smart ass u don't do it well enough,as u can clearly see that was sarcasm at it's best...unless u have bad eyes or something and did'nt read it all hum...

[palerider7777]

Yep, but it's less fun without BJs and eating out. i think those are considered Sodomy by Biblical standards. I can't even bust a nut in her face without god getting mad... I mean, I can understand her getting mad cause she's told me not to do it many times, but God? :p:p

An aside: After the grammar lessons and pages of off topic back and forth, no one's decided to debate my logic. The replies that I did get, I've refuted and they've gone without rebuttal. I think they call that a "win" in sports terminology. :D

well thats for people not married, if ur married that does'nt apply well your not supposed to have sex anyways if not married.but i know im wrong.and everything you've asked iv'e responded to so there u go trying to twisting things again.but here's one for ya mr. anti god. since u don't believe in god or nothing of the such, then why are most of ur post about that very thing?? i see u in and out of just about everything to do with god forums, so being a lil hypocritical ur self there bud.

to not believe in god u sure are making the rounds talking about it more than most on these forums. so thats very laughable.and if i do recall u were the one bringing all the grammer lessons or trying to anyways.

[Hardcore Newbie]

don't try to be a smart ass u don't do it well enough,as u can clearly see that was sarcasm at it's best...unless u have bad eyes or something and did'nt read it all hum...

It might be sarcasm, but it's still messy, by your own admission, and very hard to pick out. Maybe not for you, because you wrote it. But I had a hard time picking out where one of your thoughts ends and another begins.

He's not being a smart ass. More than one person in this thread is having difficulty in picking out your thoughts at times.

[Hardcore Newbie]

well thats for people not married, if ur married that does'nt apply well your not supposed to have sex anyways if not married.but i know im wrong.and everything you've asked iv'e responded to so there u go trying to twisting things again
Are you sure? You've responded to everything in this thread that I've said?

I've previously stated that you aren't replying to the majority of questions I pose. Then you called me on it, asking me to show you what I've asked that you haven't responded to. Then I posted a link to questions that i've asked that you either ignored or haven't seen. I've still not gotten any response in many of those questions.

The questions you do reply to (or statements that i make that you point out) I have replied to. As far as I know, I've answered all of yours.


http://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/86919-why-god-does-not-exist-one-sentence-12.html#post1567754

These are just a few questions I've asked.

just ignore the fact that I used the spaghetti monster, and hopefully after answering some questions, you'll have some questions in response. That's generally the way conversations work in regards to understanding one another's viewpoints. When people disagree, they question why the other person thinks that way. They answer so the other person has a better understanding, and more questions arise if there's still disagreements or curiosities.This is a page, pointing to a page that I've asked questions. I remember things. I can also back them up with proof.

You state that I am twisting thing, yet you offer no proof. If you have PROOF of my trying to twist things, you now have the knowledge of using the quote feature. Show me proof that I am twisting your words, and I will address them


.but here's one for ya mr. anti god. since u don't believe in god or nothing of the such, then why are most of ur post about that very thing?? i see u in and out of just about everything to do with god forums, so being a lil hypocritical ur self there bud.

What's hypocritical? I like discussing spirituality. I don't have to believe in the Xian God to discuss spirituality. I do believe in the possibility of god(s), but at the moment, I don't believe in any specific ones. It's simple really.

If we only discussed the things which we agreed on, no one would talk.



to not believe in god u sure are making the rounds talking about it more than most on these forums. so thats very laughable.and if i do recall u were the one bringing all the grammer lessons or trying to anyways.Show me a grammar lesson. Again, you're claiming things that haven't happened. I have asked about your grammar and the confusion it sometimes brings. I have not given you a grammar lesson. I have given you a quoting lesson to help you with clarity, but I fail to see a grammar lesson.

[Hardcore Newbie]

You are a very decent pro-active guy hardcore-newbie. :thumbsup:I was going to rep you but you have it turned off. But I appreciate the compliment :) Just letting you know that your compliment didn't go unnoticed :)

[Pass That Shit]

Yep, but it's less fun without BJs and eating out. i think those are considered Sodomy by Biblical standards. I can't even bust a nut in her face without god getting mad... I mean, I can understand her getting mad cause she's told me not to do it many times, but God? :p:p

An aside: After the grammar lessons and pages of off topic back and forth, no one's decided to debate my logic. The replies that I did get, I've refuted and they've gone without rebuttal. I think they call that a "win" in sports terminology. :D

By the way, the actions of a married couple during sex are "undefiled".
Just like smoking weed, it's not what enters a man that defiles a man, it's what comes out of the mouth.
It's about what comes from your heart not what you put in your mouth.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Well, it was a joke :P But yeah, I agree with that statement. Try telling that to some people though, you might have some difficulty :D

This might paint a bad picture, but regardless, if a man puts another man's "member" in their mouth, is this also undefiled? Just wondering your perspective, as there are some Xians that believe it is immoral, and some that don't.

[GraziLovesMary]

the laugh is on u then, im content in my thinking and iv'e found all i need and that is god.he is all i need and all everyone needs. some see that now others will soon enough. no need for pity here, but i do pity u if ur not content in ur life. that must be a sad place to be to be always searching for something when it's right there in ur face. but hey what do i know, im the one thats a kid right. u remind me of brad pitt in legends of the fall, where he was always looking for sumthing that he thought was void in his soul. then by the time he knew what he had he lost it all.or do u not have a soul as ur just matter?

I am absolutely content with my life.. I am the happiest I have ever been in my short 22 years. I grew up with a family steeped in religion and dogma, so I am quite versed in everything christian. I was quite the advocate of religion and christianity, in fact, as faith helped me out on numerous occassions. However as I got older and wiser, and my thinking matured a bit more, I began to see through the many holes that religion presented. The more I studied all religions, the more I realized how corrupt and flawed they all were. Why should I accept a flawed dogma simply because they originators and propogators claim it is "divinely inspired?" I shouldnt.

I spent hundreds of collective hours of intense meditation and introspective thought, clearing my mind completely of all facts and hypotheses." It was not only very peaceful and reaffirming, but it also allowed my eyes to be opened that much more, and I felt enlightened. I WAS enlightened. I felt analogous to the creators of religions, what I was witnessing and realizing during those times must have been exactly what the founders were privy to. The only difference is that their lack of knowledge in how the universe interacts with itself caused them to fill in gaps and holes in the parts didnt make sense. They created stories and fables to illustrate points, and these stories began to be accepted as truths. Along the millenia, tradition became cemented even as stories continued to evolve. It was many thousands of years before these stories were even put to paper. Once they were, civilizations died, and their languages along with them.. translations were muddled and the original meanings were lost in history. I realized that if I was to find the truth, I would have to find it out for myself, as opposed to simply being ignanamously content with what somebody else presents to me as the "truth."

I am not searching to fill a void, because for the first time, I finally feel like there is no void at all. In all my doubtless faith, there was always something missing that no amount of prayer and worship could fill. Enlightenment and a search in the right direction have filled that void.


As far as your comment on my soul and matter... once again, you have completely missed the point. I was never saying we are just matter. What I WAS saying was that ALL MATTER IS ENERGY. Everything in the universe is ENERGY. ENERGY GOD DAMNIT ENERGY. Light, magnetism, gravity, matter, anti-matter.. its all energy. We are all energy and all energy is connected. I do believe in the concept of a soul, the only difference is I dont think its as mysterious and immeasurable and intangible as you seem to. I believe there is a perfectly logical explanation for it that does not denounce the existence of a soul in any way, but rather cements its existence as the essential foundings of who we are.

[palerider7777]

should'nt "god"not be in your vocabulary as to u it does'nt exist?

[Hardcore Newbie]

u contradict urself too much and i haven't the time to go lookin up all that shit. but i know what u say and most of it is rambling on's so here's one, u have been saying this whole time for me to prove to u there is a god, and all this bullshit about praying to sandwiches and stupid shit like that. and how were all just "matter" and things just happen on there own with no higher being"s" input and now your saying u may believe in sum or more than one gods.?wtf lol
You can't be bothered to look it up because you have no proof of me saying it. You know you'd be wasting your time.

I didn't I *may believe* in gods, I believe in the possibility of god(s), big difference. I believe anything is possible. I believe it's possible that you're the smartest being in the world. I highly doubt that because there are 6 billion people in the world, and what you've show me so far wouldn't indicate that. But, it is a possibility, no matter how unlikely it seems.

Again, I'm not stating anything i believe as 100% truth, they're merely opinions. So if I believe that we're just matter, that's an opinion. If new information comes to me that has me believe otherwise, I'll change my opinion.


how much more backwards can u get i don't think you remember from one sentence to the next sometimes. i don't really give a fuck what u believe, i think ur brain is fried to be honest and yes iv'e answered most of the stuff you've asked that iv'e read. and as far as me proving there's a god i can't say here his # call him, and u know that so don't act stupid like that. but as far as what iv'e seen in my life and the things iv'e asked, that have been answered for me and how iv'e never done without. and just when i think shit is'nt gonna work out something pops up and everything is taken care of outta the blue.

I didn't ask you to prove to me that God Exists, so I don't know why you've said that. If you don't give a fuck what I believe, why are you asking me questions?


and the proof iv'e seen and stuff thats been found to link some of the places that it speaks of in the bible, and to say none of the bible is true but yet there talkings, about places over there that are still around to this day. most of the cities that are in the bible are there to this day, so how can it all be made up like a book of fiction? when it clearly list real world things.so let me guess they wrote a book of fiction and then through in all real world cities to spice it up some yea thats it.I've never ever said that "none of the Bible is true". BUT, just because someone mentions a city and it's real, doesn't mean everything that the book writes about is true.

If I wrote a book called "The Ghosts of San Diego" and went on to explain the ghosts and what they do there, someone's going to call "bullshit". But according to what you just wrote, I can conveniently point to San Diego on the map, and say "This place is real, therefore, everything I wrote about is true. San Diego is a real place!" Well, you'd ask for proof of the ghosts, and you'd have me. I can't show you any ghosts. But in 100 years or so, no one would be able to prove that ghosts didn't exist in San Diego, just like we can't prove that some of the stuff in the Bible didn't happen (like the talking donkey). But just because I can't disprove it, that doesn't mean I have to believe it.

And just because some of it may have happened, that doesn't automatically mean that the rest of it is true.

[Hardcore Newbie]

should'nt "god"not be in your vocabulary as to u it does'nt exist?God might not exist, but the idea certainly does.

[higher4hockey]

should'nt "god"not be in your vocabulary as to u it does'nt exist?

big foot doesnt exist, but i still use the term, the same with santa.... thats like not using the word hair because you're bald.

[Psycho4Bud]

I put a sticky on this thread.......
http://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/124543-respect.html

Remember my friends.......there is plenty of room at Club Gitmo for believers and non-believers. The insults shall comith to an end.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[connector_robot]

Because the idea of an all powerfull being is a logical fallacy.

[GraziLovesMary]

[/COLOR]

no shit sherlock i know there energy,what im disputing is who formed it, who made it i say god made it. u people say nothin made it, it just happened and it just so happened to work out like this. and all the stuff we have today is just matter/energy i think not.and i think your living in a dream world, and u really think ur sum sword weilding ninja, as iv'e read sum of ur other posts u really think u could sneek up on hitler with just a sword lol lmfao, and get out scott free?

roflmfao and im the kid u can't even get past yourself, much less an army! lol very funny but i now they pull it off in movies all the time so from that point, u may have a chance but im just a kid what do i know right?

I didnt say "nothin" made it. I didnt say who made it at all. In fact, you havent even asked my opinion on it. So how do you know what I feel on the subject? You are just grouping everybody on this thread that disagrees with you into one big category and are globbing many different opinions together as if we all feel the same way. "u people say" "u people" "u people".... every single one of your posts is some generalization about 60% of this thread as if we are all of the same mind.

Then when you can think of nothing else to say on the matter at hand you decide to bring in elements from a fantasy-based topic as if it has any place in here. Your posts reek of ignorance to the point that I have to cover my nose just to read what you spew. I am trying to have an adult conversation and you are resorting to placing labels and stretching for whatever you can grasp on to make yourself feel better. Go for it buddy lol.

You have no concept of physics, and even basic science judging by the complete ignorant content of your responses, so really it is no longer prudent for me to continue this "debate."

Seeing as how I have time to kill I will even respond to your off-topic remark. Yes, I believe I could have snuck up on Hitler and assassinated him. I never said anything about getting out alive, but I know damn well I would have been able to kill him. I am only 22, but 17 of those years I have been obsessed with the goal of turning myself into the ultimate human weapon of death and destruction. I have extensively studied all forms of warfare and combat, and am rather well versed in many different styles of martial arts and non-projectile weapons combat. I am also extremely proficient with all forms of firearms. I was born to deal death, it is what I was meant for. However I have opted as of late to choose a path of construction as opposed to destruction.

Make no mistake, I am deadlier than you will ever begin to fathom, but it warms my heart to see that you doubt that. Understimation by the pitiful ignorant is a combatatants greatest asset.

As for the comment on whether "God" should not be in my vocabulary as I said it doesnt exist.. seeing as how you quoted nobody I will just assume you were talking to me. You apparantly dont know WHAT I believe on the existence of "God", despite me stating it several times. I dont believe that YOUR CHRISTIAN VIEW of what "God" is, is the correct one. I do believe that there is a greater force, but it is much more complex than the primitive idea of a singular sentient being sitting in the clouds making people out of clay and damning people to hell. However, you dont strike me as the type that would be able to comprehend my perspective, so I wont waste my time and yours.

[palerider7777]

You are just grouping everybody on this thread that disagrees with you into one big category and are globbing many different opinions together as if we all feel the same way. "u people say" "u people" "u people".... every single one of your posts is some generalization about 60% of this thread as if we are all of the same mind.

u sound like the lil black man in bad santa now lmfao lol lol thats nice

[palerider7777]

Seeing as how I have time to kill I will even respond to your off-topic remark. Yes, I believe I could have snuck up on Hitler and assassinated him. I never said anything about getting out alive, but I know damn well I would have been able to kill him. I am only 22, but 17 of those years I have been obsessed with the goal of turning myself into the ultimate human weapon of death and destruction. I have extensively studied all forms of warfare and combat, and am rather well versed in many different styles of martial arts and non-projectile weapons combat. I am also extremely proficient with all forms of firearms. I was born to deal death, it is what I was meant for. However I have opted as of late to choose a path of construction as opposed to destruction.

Make no mistake, I am deadlier than you will ever begin to fathom, but it warms my heart to see that you doubt that. Understimation by the pitiful ignorant is a combatatants greatest asset.


one to many books...one to many movies...lol. and first of all a ninja, or any in that field for that matter would not go into somewhere to kill if they did'nt have a good plan of escape. and if ur a "death dealer" why not be deployed to take out bin ladan? seems like something good for u to do as it would give u the best of both worlds 1st make real good money..2nd u will be the D.E.A.T.H D.E.A.L.E.R SOMETHING U LOVE TO DO. 1 ? though how many people have u killed as of yet?? yea i thought so...

[palerider7777]

Make no mistake, I am deadlier than you will ever begin to fathom, but it warms my heart to see that you doubt that. Understimation by the pitiful ignorant is a combatatants greatest asset.

same goes for u as well, as Understimation can be a bitch. bottom line iv'e forgot more than you'll ever know end of story. iv'e done more in 1 year of my life than u have done in all of yours.so as of now im done with this thread, and yes i know what ur about as iv'e read other threads of yours so there u go.

[palerider7777]

You don't have to have killed somebody to be deadly. Anyway, how is this relevant to the topic?

how is what he said relevant??

[palerider7777]

I am deadlier than you will ever begin to fathom.
to say that is all i need to know lol.

[420_24/7]

could jesus make a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it???

[chudderhead]

God who?

[bluntblaze]

god doesn't exist because... everything chritians believe in is based on a book. how do you know it wasn't some guy who was bored and decided to write a story.
therefore god doesn't exist because its just a book. plus what has "god" ever done for anyone? the answer... nothing.

[johneg]

Top 10 Reasons Why Beer Is Better Than Jesus

10. No one will kill you for not drinking Beer.

9. Beer doesn't tell you how to have sex.

8. Beer has never caused a major war.

7. They don't force Beer on minors who can't think for themselves.

6. When you have Beer, you don't knock on people's doors trying to make them drink it.

5. Nobody's ever been burned at the stake, hanged, or tortured over their brand of Beer.

4. You don't have to wait more than 2,000 years for a second Beer.

3. There are laws saying that Beer labels can't lie to you.

2. If you've devoted your life to Beer, there are groups to help you stop.

1. You can prove you have a Beer.

[Pass That Shit]

Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Is Better Than Beer

10. Jesus in you will not kill other innocent drivers.

9. Jesus does not blow up your belly before sex.

8. Jesus has never caused a major war, it's the drunks in charge.

7. Jesus is available to a thinking minor free of charge.

6. Jesus does not make you sick the next morning.

5. Jesus will help you quench the "heat".

4. Jesus is always in your mind, no need to refill.

3. Jesus tells you the truth.

2. If you devoted your life to Jesus, not even death will stop you.

1. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly with Jesus? :jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Is Better Than Beer

10. Jesus in you will not kill other innocent drivers.

9. Jesus does not blow up your belly before sex.

8. Jesus has never caused a major war, it's the drunks in charge.

7. Jesus is available to a thinking minor free of charge.

6. Jesus does not make you sick the next morning.

5. Jesus will help you quench the "heat".

4. Jesus is always in your mind, no need to refill.

3. Jesus tells you the truth.

2. If you devoted your life to Jesus, not even death will stop you.

1. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly with Jesus? :jointsmile:

nice come back lol

[BeatlesRGod]

lmfao i just noticed ur talking out ur ass as u don't believe in god as u say it's fucking stupid and yet u have god in ur name lol so u believe in someone (humans)that are equal to u as a god lol nice hypocritical stance u have nice

Damn dude, don't take things so literally. I just like the Beatles a lot, but I believe they're humans not god. Sorry you had a tough time with that.

[GraziLovesMary]

same goes for u as well, as Understimation can be a bitch. bottom line iv'e forgot more than you'll ever know end of story. iv'e done more in 1 year of my life than u have done in all of yours.so as of now im done with this thread, and yes i know what ur about as iv'e read other threads of yours so there u go.

I think this is my favorite quote of yours by far... hahahahahah...

[bluntblaze]

Top 10 Reasons Why Beer Is Better Than Jesus

lmfao brilliant..
also you wont go to "hell" for not drinking beer.
if you believe in god answer this. what proof do you have that hes real? and what has he ever done for anyone? ill answer both of them in one... NOT A FUCKING THING. but feel free to answer. christianity IS a cult.. brainwashing you into believing if you dont become a believer you will go to hell.

[palerider7777]

Proving once again, that you are a giant bag of douche lol. The only reason I got off topic is because you brought it up. I allowed myself to stoop to your level by replying to it.

Also the fact that you quoted my post several times yet said nothing only proves my point further.

Before this topic I was under the impression that you were at least of average intelligence and maturity, and even liked you. Now I concede to the fact that I was wrong. You are one of those people that probably shouldnt smoke weed, it just doesnt seem to be helping you, as sorry as I am to say it.

laughs on u then cause iv'e never smoked it in my life lol.and by the way u judged me the minute i said i believe in something so im not the shallow one here u need to look in the mirror

[palerider7777]

I think this is my favorite quote of yours by far... hahahahahah...

well ty i kindda liked it myself,it's a shame though as u seemed like a cool dude at first

[GraziLovesMary]

laughs on u then cause iv'e never smoked it in my life lol.and by the way u judged me the minute i said i believe in something so im not the shallow one here u need to look in the mirror

So if you have never smoked weed in your life, then why are you so active in a cannabis forum???? And I remained neutral in my opinion of you until you continuously neglected to answer my questions, and kept speaking as if you are the end-all know-all.

I have no contempt for christians, or even anybody based simply on what they believe. I develop contempt, however, when somebody tries to tell me their way is right and mine is wrong, then proceeds to sarcastically make fun of my way.

[bluntblaze]

Top 10 Reasons Why Jesus Is Better Than Beer

10. Jesus in you will not kill other innocent drivers.

9. Jesus does not blow up your belly before sex.

8. Jesus has never caused a major war, it's the drunks in charge.

7. Jesus is available to a thinking minor free of charge.

6. Jesus does not make you sick the next morning.

5. Jesus will help you quench the "heat".

4. Jesus is always in your mind, no need to refill.

3. Jesus tells you the truth.

2. If you devoted your life to Jesus, not even death will stop you.

1. Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly with Jesus? :jointsmile:

6 - 10 are believible but 5 - 1 haha you must be taking the piss. also just because you've had a drink doesn't mean you HAVE to drive.

[Pass That Shit]

Thanks for the bump! :thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

I think this is my favorite quote of yours by far... hahahahahah...



well ty i kindda liked it myself,it's a shame though as u seemed like a cool dude at first.and me being a motherfucking beast that i can be im glad i do believe in god and am pretty much tamed as if i did'nt well...no retreat no surrender, divide and conquer,and if i thought the way u do damn..

my ? to u is what r u waiting for ?i mean if i thought for a second that god was not judging me and there was nothing after this life shit..what would stop u from conquering or taking what u wanted?and u knowing the art of combat and all as do i, know how easy it would be to kill at will and never get caught and to take what u want why in the world would u want to stay in this rat race of a life and be lead around by the nose like the rest of the people here in the usa?

well i know if i thought like most of the people on here i'd be damned if i would sit around and live by some other mans laws and ways .i think u get my drift.

[palerider7777]

So if you have never smoked weed in your life, then why are you so active in a cannabis forum???? And I remained neutral in my opinion of you until you continuously neglected to answer my questions, and kept speaking as if you are the end-all know-all.

I have no contempt for christians, or even anybody based simply on what they believe. I develop contempt, however, when somebody tries to tell me their way is right and mine is wrong, then proceeds to sarcastically make fun of my way.

when did i make fun of ur way? maybe when u started being a dick to me??talking down to me like i was a kid lol yea ok if it makes u feel better i started it what ever "it" is

p.s i think u know why im here i know ur smarter than that so don't act like u have to smoke to be on here

[palerider7777]

6 - 10 are believible but 5 - 1 haha you must be taking the piss. also just because you've had a drink doesn't mean you HAVE to drive.

so ur saying u have never had a drink and drove somewhere??

[GraziLovesMary]

my ? to u is what r u waiting for ?i mean if i thought for a second that god was not judging me and there was nothing after this life shit..what would stop u from conquering or taking what u wanted?and u knowing the art of combat and all as do i, know how easy it would be to kill at will and never get caught and to take what u want why in the world would u want to stay in this rat race of a life and be lead around by the nose like the rest of the people here in the usa?

well i know if i thought like most of the people on here i'd be damned if i would sit around and live by some other mans laws and ways .i think u get my drift.

A couple reasons.. First, its too easy to do it that way. I like the challenge of succeeding through the challenge of obeying the rules of the area Im trapped in. The other is because although I dont believe in religion, and I dont agree with the religious view on what "God" is, that doesnt mean that I dont have morals and ethics. Killing people that dont deserve it is tasteless in my book. I have no problem with taking another persons life, but they need to deserve it first in my book.

[palerider7777]

so i take it you've never been screwed over b4?

[rocktheganj]

God is just a way of dealing with the fact that you have to die.

[bluntblaze]

so ur saying u have never had a drink and drove somewhere??

correct.

[mfqr]

Okay guys, I have been posting on this forum of recent, but have yet to start a thread of my own. So just for the fun of it, I decided to do so. Here goes my question.

If you were asked to state the one thing that you feel the strongest as to why God does not exist what would you say? I'm not looking for an entire paragraph. Just give me your strongest feeling in one sentence. Thanks for playing :thumbsup:

Examples:
God does not exist cause I have never seen him.
God does not exits cause there's no peace on Earth.

Maybe you should keep your mind open just a bit. God could possibly exist, you don't know. That's why I say that I don't believe in God, but I believe there's a possibility that he does; and if he did, I wouldn't care anyway. Agnostic belief is just Atheism, except with an open mind. Atheism is for the narrow-minded.

I'll tell you why God most likely does not exist:

Because the church and concept of God are devices to control the masses, to make the masses believe in a certain set of morals and ethics supported by the ones who are in control.

In otherwords, it's control on a global scale. Control the church (hello, Mr. Pope), and what do you control? You control millions of dollars (maybe even billions!), and millions of people who will listen to you, and take heed in your advice. It's all a scam to me. Next time think about what you're supporting the next time you put $10 into the charity bowl that gets passed around. What a fucking obvious scam, ROFL!

"Well, there's the charity bowl. Put all your money in it to support the church, so we can continue to give love to our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The brainwashing is so deeply carved into our societies that the current brainwashers don't even know that they're brainwashing anyone, because they're brainwashed as well!

Look at the Evangelicals. Jesus, man, they're fuckin' crazy. Obviously they have an agenda... and that is to take away the separation of the church and the state - the leaders of the Evangelicals said it themselves!

Anyway, I'm done with this rant. And by the way, I meant no offense to anyone that I could very well have offended. I am just venting my beliefs - so take no offense!

[mfqr]

Oh, and how about 50 pages of why God does not exist?

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs (http://www.godisimaginary.com)
They make some very good points. Christians, Catholics, and followers of all religions... READ IT! Don't be afraid, demons won't possess you.

[Pass That Shit]

I checked out that site. He says "why" and "if" alot, but doesn't provide any substance to contradict the scriptures.
If you look at things from a natural point of view, you will always miss the spiritual angle.
As much as everyone tries, there is no proof out there to prove the bible false. How can something true be proven otherwise?

[BayBoat]

Because we want him to.

[chuckin deuces]

THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE

[chuckin deuces]

And to passthatshit, the proof is in genesis. God creates adam and eve then in the next chapter creates eve out of adam's rib. Oh and who is Kane's wife? How is the world populated when only Adam and Eve were created? Are we %100 products of incest? Carbon dating, no matter how much creationist love to question its accuracy, places the world at billions of years older than the 10,000 years of the bible. The bible is a semi-accurate account of human history from a limited perspective in a small portion of the world. If you lived 10,000 years ago would it be easier to say that water was water because of god or because two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom bonded together? Religion - Man's answer to the unexplainable. God - Man's safety blanket in-case things go poorly. I hope someone on this board has read The Antichrist.

[chuckin deuces]

Oh and not to spam, but I'd just like to go into the similarities between the Bible and the Qu'ran. Not only do both contain the teachings of Jesus, but both endorse treating women like livestock. HIGH FIVE FOR JESUS!

[android17ak47]

I grew up a baptist, dropped out at 18 and ended up converting to mormonism at 19, and am now an athiest at 23.

I dont believe it isnt possible for there to be a God, but just watching the zeitgeist vid online was all I needed to hear.

The first of the three sections of that vid totally debunked Christianity, but not God Himself. It has something to do with Christianity being nothing more than a story whoes details/facts(whatever) surround the Zodiak's calender.

So if I had to sum it all up in one sentence as to why he doesnt exist, I wuld cheat and say" Watch Zeitgeist.", lol.

[android17ak47]

Oh and not to spam, but I'd just like to go into the similarities between the Bible and the Qu'ran. Not only do both contain the teachings of Jesus, but both endorse treating women like livestock. HIGH FIVE FOR JESUS!

Which reminds me, receantly a muslim I knew from another forum tried converting me to be a muslim, after seeing me post in the religious forum saying I converted from Mormonism to Athiest.

Allz I got to say is any religion that teaches Jesus was real aint got no chance with me.

[Immolation]

Is a god Perfect? If so, he would be complete and have no wants or needs and no want or need to create Human beings.

[Pass That Shit]

And to passthatshit, the proof is in genesis. God creates adam and eve then in the next chapter creates eve out of adam's rib. Oh and who is Kane's wife? How is the world populated when only Adam and Eve were created? Are we %100 products of incest? Carbon dating, no matter how much creationist love to question its accuracy, places the world at billions of years older than the 10,000 years of the bible. The bible is a semi-accurate account of human history from a limited perspective in a small portion of the world. If you lived 10,000 years ago would it be easier to say that water was water because of god or because two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom bonded together? Religion - Man's answer to the unexplainable. God - Man's safety blanket in-case things go poorly. I hope someone on this board has read The Antichrist.

There's no proof against the truth. :jointsmile:

Where does it say in the bible that the Earth is 10,000 years old?

[GraziLovesMary]

so i take it you've never been screwed over b4?

Many times, many times. Its a part of life, fuggit. And to answer your question.. you asked when you made fun of my ways? Well you werent speaking directly to me, but you were mocking many of the beliefs of the scientific community, many of which are what I consider to be fact. That, to me, is the same as if I were to mock Christian beliefs and laugh in the face of believers. Its all good though, you are comfortable with your way, and I am happy with mine.

[couplescaddy]

religion is a story people use to explain unexplainable events in their lives. it is unbelievable to me that someone can create a book that contains answers to ALL quesitons inside of it. i think it is bullshit though, how people extrapolate meaning out of the book. i hate when people say "god always has a purpose for everything, it's the way he planned" thats bullshit. until someone proves to me that religion actually does have circumstantial evidence that gives it an influence in the happenings of events, i wont believe. i do think it's great though how people have based their lives upon doing good in the world based on the words of a book. whatever, i dont believe either way

[android17ak47]

I found the movie. Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007 (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/)

[Candnloveweed420]

God DOES exist because everything in this world is too complex and amazing to have been made by a "Big Bang".

Sure there is hate and shit, but that was the struggle that God anticipated for us to overcome. Sin came into this world by HUMAN choice (i.e.-the Adam and Eve example) and from then on, we took the option of having free will instead of having the crystal clear, unblemished, perfect life that God envisioned for us. Hate and destruction was OUR choice, not Gods. But God respected our wish for free will be allowing this to happen, hopeing one day we would bond together and live harmoniously as one people.

Now, this description I explained above is not intended to be a means of converting you guys to Christianity or Catholicism (because I am Catholic myself), but is meant to describe what I feel is the basis of all religions that believe in a higher power. thats right, no matter if you are Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic, or whatever, we all believe in the same thing and strive for the same thing: salvation or harmony in the next stage of our lives, life after death.

im not trying to be some noble guy here, hell i know im not perfect. but i do hope that some day, everyone will love eachother and live as one regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality.

But to get back on topic.....God DOES exist.

[Immolation]

Does God approve of smoking Pot?

[GraziLovesMary]

God DOES exist because everything in this world is too complex and amazing to have been made by a "Big Bang".

Sure there is hate and shit, but that was the struggle that God anticipated for us to overcome. Sin came into this world by HUMAN choice (i.e.-the Adam and Eve example) and from then on, we took the option of having free will instead of having the crystal clear, unblemished, perfect life that God envisioned for us. Hate and destruction was OUR choice, not Gods. But God respected our wish for free will be allowing this to happen, hopeing one day we would bond together and live harmoniously as one people.

Now, this description I explained above is not intended to be a means of converting you guys to Christianity or Catholicism (because I am Catholic myself), but is meant to describe what I feel is the basis of all religions that believe in a higher power. thats right, no matter if you are Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic, or whatever, we all believe in the same thing and strive for the same thing: salvation or harmony in the next stage of our lives, life after death.

im not trying to be some noble guy here, hell i know im not perfect. but i do hope that some day, everyone will love eachother and live as one regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or nationality.

But to get back on topic.....God DOES exist.

My friend, as an ex-Catholic (born and raised.. :( ) I am compelled to tell you that Pope John Paul II acknowledged the Big Bang theory as being in agreement with the Catholic Church. He said it was the instance of creation. So I guess if you dont believe in the Big Bang you arent a very good Catholic.

And I also feel compelled to mention that "I dont understand it.. its too complicated, therefor God exists!" Is the most embarrassing argument for your cause.

Somebody, I forget who, on these boards had an awesome quote in his signature:

"I dont like religion because it teaches us to be OK with not understanding the universe."

[BlAzInIt4:20]

Iv never posted on this thread due to the fact i think it's stupid.. but all well tons of threads are stupid...

Why god does not exsist.... Well for me if God were to exsist life woulnd't be so hard. It wouldnt require all the gates, the walls, the paper work of life.

We would be free to roam were ever we chose.

Or maybe this is just the government im talking about..

nvm see i new i wasnt able to post upon this subject..

I don't believe in anything but the energy of life. it is what you make it..

[Pass That Shit]

Does God approve of smoking Pot?

Ask him! :jointsmile:

[Pass That Shit]

Iv never posted on this thread due to the fact i think it's stupid.. but all well tons of threads are stupid...

Why god does not exsist.... Well for me if God were to exsist life woulnd't be so hard. It wouldnt require all the gates, the walls, the paper work of life.

We would be free to roam were ever we chose.

Or maybe this is just the government im talking about..

nvm see i new i wasnt able to post upon this subject..

I don't believe in anything but the energy of life. it is what you make it..

Thanks for playing the stupid game!!! :jointsmile:

[snowblind]

its ironic at times like this you pray, but a bomb blew a mosque up yesterday

[Candnloveweed420]

My friend, as an ex-Catholic (born and raised.. ) I am compelled to tell you that Pope John Paul II acknowledged the Big Bang theory as being in agreement with the Catholic Church. He said it was the instance of creation. So I guess if you dont believe in the Big Bang you arent a very good Catholic.

And I also feel compelled to mention that "I dont understand it.. its too complicated, therefor God exists!" Is the most embarrassing argument for your cause.

Somebody, I forget who, on these boards had an awesome quote in his signature:

"I dont like religion because it teaches us to be OK with not understanding the universe."


ya i am aware of the whole thing with pope john paul thing, but what he did was "recognize" the Big Bang as a possibility.

oh, and anyways, call it a "Big Bang" or whatever you like, but I meant "Big Bang" as the creation of the world by a chemical reaction, and not by a higher power. i mean i guess you can call God's creation of the world as a Big Bang, but i meant the Big Bang to mean no God.

But ya, i get u

[palerider7777]

i love how everyone payed more attention to the first sentence i wrote than to the actual message i was trying to send. i said that because to ME, the world is just too complex and deep to be created by a huge chemical/molecular/whateverthehell reaction. that is what this thread asked right? what I/ME/NOTYOU thought?

so my friend, i believe it is you who is the dumbass.
and if you have something so worthless to say as u did right there, please dont post it all. keep it in ur small/pessismistic/angrybecauseyoucantgetanypussy brain.
thanks!

sorry to say, but you'll get alot of that in here as i think in here only 1 brain cell works at a time, so they can only pick 1 thing out of what u said.so to believe how they seem too, as to say we all are just a bunch of matter that just so happen to clump together just right, to form what we are today i really can't see any logic in that, as to see how complex we humans are and how complex our brains and well everything in our body, is to say that all just happen by chance, well that does'nt explain anything.

i still don't know why people that did'nt believe in anything after death would live by mans law, now i mean thats the dumbest shit iv'e ever heard lets see when i die thats it nothing to judge my life by so let me be a slave to man so when i die what?? nothing it makes no sence to think like that. i think if i really believed that i would do what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it. either that or people just don't have a big enough set of balls, so they have to live by the law as there to scared to do what they really want??? who knows

[Candnloveweed420]

yo snowblind, my bad for the mean response. im cool if ur disagreeing w me. i just thot i was being called a dumbass.

[snowblind]

sorry dude it wasnt an insult. if i was comming across aggresive then that wasn't my intention.

i always let myself get dragged into these debates.

its just ive seen religion and religous rehtoric fuck people up.

i see religon and faith as two seperate entitites these days. very rarely do they habbitat the same space

peace brother

[palerider7777]

sorry dude it wasnt an insult. if i was comming across aggresive then that wasn't my intention.

i always let myself get dragged into these debates.

its just ive seen religion and religous rehtoric fuck people up.

i see religon and faith as two seperate entitites these days. very rarely do they habbitat the same space

peace brother

this is very true

[Hardcore Newbie]

i still don't know why people that did'nt believe in anything after death would live by mans law, now i mean thats the dumbest shit iv'e ever heard lets see when i die thats it nothing to judge my life by so let me be a slave to man so when i die what?? nothing it makes no sence to think like that. i think if i really believed that i would do what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it. either that or people just don't have a big enough set of balls, so they have to live by the law as there to scared to do what they really want??? who knows
It's not about having a set of balls, or lack thereof. It's about compassion and caring. I care for my fellow people, and the fact that I don't believe in an afterlife makes me cherish this life very much. I mean, if it's the only shot you have, why would you throw it away? To me, the mindset of not having a "do-over" is the BEST reason to love your fellow man.

I'd rather be remembered as a kind person than someone who decided to go buck-wild on the public because there's nothing for me at the end of the spiritual tunnel. :D

[Pass That Shit]

It's not about having a set of balls, or lack thereof. It's about compassion and caring. I care for my fellow people, and the fact that I don't believe in an afterlife makes me cherish this life very much. I mean, if it's the only shot you have, why would you throw it away? To me, the mindset of not having a "do-over" is the BEST reason to love your fellow man.

I'd rather be remembered as a kind person than someone who decided to go buck-wild on the public because there's nothing for me at the end of the spiritual tunnel. :D

But going "buck-wild" will get you on TV :D
And youtube! :jointsmile:

[palerider7777]

it's not about going buck wild but rather sercuring ur own future i mean if ur a slave all ur life just to die at the end for nothin just to be remembered as "a good person"lol u were still a slave it's like saying he was a damn good slave to this country he did everything we wanted him todo he worked paid taxes and made us rich lmao do u think any of those guys u give all ur money to cares if u were a good person lol no the only one that does is god and one day all will bow to him enough said

[palerider7777]

so did our for fathers go buck wild?? naw i think they saw it the way i do the system was'nt working they were slaves and they did what they had to do to secure a better life than what they had buck wild no not laying down and giving all there money and time to someone else yea

[Hardcore Newbie]

But going "buck-wild" will get you on TV :D
And youtube! :jointsmile:Hmmm, I seemed to overlook this aspect. Instead of getting respect from the ones that I love, I should live my life so that a million adolescents laugh their asses off :p


it's not about going buck wild but rather sercuring ur own future i mean if ur a slave all ur life just to die at the end for nothin just to be remembered as "a good person"lol u were still a slave it's like saying he was a damn good slave to this country he did everything we wanted him todo he worked paid taxes and made us rich lmao do u think any of those guys u give all ur money to cares if u were a good person lol no the only one that does is god and one day all will bow to him enough saidAm I living for them? I'm living for my friends and family, and the interactions that I have with them. I don't know how you associate "disbelief in god, make the most of this life" with "slave to the government". Can you show me how you equate the two ideas?

And the buckwild statement was addressing you saying that if you believed there was no god you would do "what ever the hell i wanted and not think twice about it".

[GraziLovesMary]

ya i am aware of the whole thing with pope john paul thing, but what he did was "recognize" the Big Bang as a possibility.

oh, and anyways, call it a "Big Bang" or whatever you like, but I meant "Big Bang" as the creation of the world by a chemical reaction, and not by a higher power. i mean i guess you can call God's creation of the world as a Big Bang, but i meant the Big Bang to mean no God.

But ya, i get u

Not to be a stickler, but it wasnt a chemical reaction that caused the Big Bang lol. It was a quantum gravitational reaction. It is what caused chemical reactions to take place.

And... see... this is what I absolutely hate about Catholicism and all Christian religions... You have such a narrow-minded view on what God is. You believe what you are taught by the people who believed what THEY were taught. Blind, unquestioning faith, sure its a nice thing but... *sigh* its so impractical. You have the idea that God is a monotheistic sentient being. Perfect in every way, yet according to doctrine and scripture he displays traits of vengance and jealousy. Not only are those imperfect human traits, but they are very negative ones to possess. Any perfect being would not flood the world because people didnt believe in him. Thats bullshit.

Im not trying to use these examples to dissuade you from believing in God. Im trying to use them to encourage you to ask what "God" really is. Dont just accept what your priest, parents, and congregation are all telling you.. they are just repeating the same shit they were brainwashed into believing because its easier that way. Religion is just another societal structure aimed at controlling the people. Sure its way more positive in the short run than say, Communism. But when you take into account the fact that Religion has been hampering science and the progress of our species for thousands of years, then things begin to change.

"God" can be something different than the Christian view of an all-powerful sentient being that judges us all, and controls our destiny, past and future, without changing the essence behind it all. The idea that we cannot understand the infinite wisdom of God is thousands of years old, and extremely detrimental to our future. The civilizations thousands of years ago could not understand it because they had no fucking clue what the fuck was going on. Any new scientifical data that went against their teachings was considered blasphemous, and people were hanged for it. Then, when it was proven years later beyond a doubt, they tried to backpedal. TRY to understand... dont just dismiss it as impossible.. actually give it a fucking shot, search for yourself instead of just being a slave to the profits of the higher echelons of religion.

[GraziLovesMary]

My friend, as an ex-Catholic (born and raised.. :( ) I am compelled to tell you that Pope John Paul II acknowledged the Big Bang theory as being in agreement with the Catholic Church. He said it was the instance of creation. So I guess if you dont believe in the Big Bang you arent a very good Catholic.

And I also feel compelled to mention that "I dont understand it.. its too complicated, therefor God exists!" Is the most embarrassing argument for your cause.

Somebody, I forget who, on these boards had an awesome quote in his signature:

"I dont like religion because it teaches us to be OK with not understanding the universe."

HAHAHAhahaha Palerider7777 gave me negative rep for this post with the message of "?" I guess he didnt like it because he didnt understand the "complexities" of what I said hahahah the funny part? My rep only went down from 2256 to 2254 hahahahaha.

Sorry, religious troll, but you are going to have to try alot harder than that.

[snowblind]

god is flawed,he is not all fogiving as he cast lucifer (the devil) out of heaven. yet lucifer was of his creation, therefore he created imperfection. if humans are his second attempt, then surley he would have tried harder and not given us the opertunity to join him adn aid to his army. essentially then he has decided to build an army and aint that fussed if we join the other side

[GraziLovesMary]

god is flawed,he is not all fogiving as he cast lucifer (the devil) out of heaven. yet lucifer was of his creation, therefore he created imperfection. if humans are his second attempt, then surley he would have tried harder and not given us the opertunity to join him adn aid to his army. essentially then he has decided to build an army and aint that fussed if we join the other side

Oooh ooh dont forget about that fact that hes jealous (thou shalt not have other Gods before me), and vengeful (raining down fire and brimstone?? wtf is that shit? lmao)

Ill say it again, I dont say this to disprove the idea of some power that is higher than us, one that we dont yet understand. But FUCK it SHOULD be enough to disprove the silly Christian idea of some all-powerful sentient being sitting in the clouds making people out of play doh lmao.

But apparantly for some that connection is blasphemous and there is no such thing as "gray area."

[Pass That Shit]

God has hate too. Doesn't make him evil. God is a man and is like you. Actually, you're like him. He made you in his image.
You were not made in the image of a monkey. :wtf:

If you saw me make out with a girl you had a crush on, wouldn't that make you jealous? Would that mean you're evil? It's just a human feeling. God is a man. God can hate and be jealous. Vengeance belongs to him. The Lord is a righteous judge. :jointsmile:

[FakeBoobsRule]

Ok, now it's my turn. 10 days ago this thread got heated up and our esteemed modfather Psycho4Bud put it best with a little reminder.

http://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/124543-respect.html

Now I see some offensive posts and I am going to go through them in a minute and possibly delete some. If the personal attacks continue, then infractions and bannings will be handed out. Let's dial it back a notch and argue the thread Why Does does not exist and not attack the person who wrote the opinion.

[GraziLovesMary]

God has hate too. Doesn't make him evil. God is a man and is like you. Actually, you're like him. He made you in his image.
You were not made in the image of a monkey. :wtf:

If you saw me make out with a girl you had a crush on, wouldn't that make you jealous? Would that mean you're evil? It's just a human feeling. God is a man. God can hate and be jealous. Vengeance belongs to him. The Lord is a righteous judge. :jointsmile:

Im not sure if you are joking or not... but hate and jealousy are both human imperfections that, according to scripture, we are supposed to avoid. How can God be perfect and a flawed man at the same time?? It makes no sense to me. Human feelings such as jealousy are supposedly imperfect, and God is supposed to be immune to imperfection. Everything you are saying makes no sense, unless you are trying to tell me that God is not perfect. If he is not perfect then he is not God, for that statement is oxymoronic. It contradicts itself. By definition, God is supposed to be perfect. Thats what makes him "God."

[Pass That Shit]

He is not a flawed man. That is only your accusation of him. He's perfect through my eyez. :jointsmile:

How can one avoid hate or jealousy? That's like saying you could avoid the love that you have in your heart for someone.
Or that you could avoid having hate in your heart towards someone that killed one of your loved ones.
You can't avoid a human feeling. It's a feeling that comes to your heart when something happens. Having human emotions doesn't mean you're a sinner. Now what you do with those emotions is a different story. But I know, his judgments are true and righteous. :pimp:

You don't need to believe me cause you will see him with your own eyez. :hippy:

[zsouj]

in my opininion: blindly assuring God's existence is as unrational as assuring God's inexistence.

[Hardcore Newbie]

HAHAHAhahaha Palerider7777 gave me negative rep for this post with the message of "?" I guess he didnt like it because he didnt understand the "complexities" of what I said hahahah the funny part? My rep only went down from 2256 to 2254 hahahahaha.

Sorry, religious troll, but you are going to have to try alot harder than that.
I got one too, with the quotation "u are lame" and I also went down two point. I gave him a neg rep so he can no longer neg rep people without first acquiring some positive rep. Good luck to him :)

[Hardcore Newbie]

How can one avoid hate or jealousy? That's like saying you could avoid the love that you have in your heart for someone.
Or that you could avoid having hate in your heart towards someone that killed one of your loved ones.
You can't avoid a human feeling. It's a feeling that comes to your heart when something happens. Having human emotions doesn't mean you're a sinner.If God has these emotions, such as hate, wouldn't the commandment "love the neighbour" be hypocritical? The commandment is to love everyone, not to love almost everyone and hate those that do bad to you or others.

It'd be like your parents telling you not to smoke while puffing on a menthol.

We can't avoid negative human emotions, because we aren't perfect. I personally am a very non-jealous person. I've had a relationship ended on me because I wasn't jealous enough. If I can do it, I'd expect God to be able to.

[Pass That Shit]

God has feelings in his heart but no sin. We have the same feelings but we sin. That's the difference.
We are not perfect because of sin, not because of emotions. We had emotions prior to sinning. :pimp:

[Hardcore Newbie]

God has feelings in his heart but no sin. We have the same feelings but we sin. That's the difference.
We are not perfect because of sin, not because of emotions. We had emotions prior to sinning. :pimp:How can God have no sin when he murders people, and commands the murder of people?

[Pass That Shit]

When someone is executed by death penalty, do you feel the government is committing a sin for their judgment towards the evil doer?
Do you feel they are sinning when they sentence an evil doer to life in prison? There is only ONE judge, his judgments are right and true.

[GraziLovesMary]

Well.... good thing to know there are so many all-knowing experts on the subject. I think this topic has gotten ridiculous enough for me.

[Hardcore Newbie]

When someone is executed by death penalty, do you feel the government is committing a sin for their judgment towards the evil doer?
Do you feel they are sinning when they sentence an evil doer to life in prison? There is only ONE judge, his judgments are right and true.Well, I don't believe in "sin", I do believe some acts are immoral.

I also don't agree with the death penalty, as the death penalty is murder. I do agree with life in prison (isolation if need be) to prevent the murderer from murdering again.

I think we've been down this road before. My mindset is, if someone is willing to give out a punishment without giving the reason for the punishment, the punishment is unjust. From what I've read, God punishes immoral acts, but in many cases does not define the reason for the immorality.

I hope you can see why myself, and many others, cannot put faith into the bible. I disagree with many of the messages, and there are no ways to reconcile these disagreements. If someone were to make demands upon me the way that the Bible does (ie goverment) I'd question their motives. Why should I make an exception for the Bible? It doesn't make sense to.

Always fun talking to you :)

[Pass That Shit]

The beauty of it, is that everyone is entitled to believe in what we want, and by our words we will either be justified or condemned. :jointsmile:

[slipknotpsycho]

The beauty of it, is that everyone is entitled to believe in what we want, and by our words we will either be justified or condemned. :jointsmile:

we're entitled to believe what we want, but you say things like that that makes it seem like we (non believers) will be judged by the god you believe in for not believing....

[Pass That Shit]

Well.... good thing to know there are so many all-knowing experts on the subject. I think this topic has gotten ridiculous enough for me.

Yes there are. And you are one of them! :stoned:

[stinkyattic]

....things like that that makes it seem like we (non believers) will be judged by the god you believe in for not believing....

This is the stumbling block for me as well when I choose to enter or recuse myself from arguments of this sort. It's where the debate goes from 'let's discuss' to 'believe what you want but you are wrong, wait until God gets to tell you so Himself!'

[Pass That Shit]

Keep in mind that we are delivering a message that we believe to be true. :jointsmile:

"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life."

[GraziLovesMary]

Yes there are. And you are one of them! :stoned:

I readily admit that I know nothing. I can only surmise and make educated guesses, which is why I get confused when some people intimately know beyond a doubt what is in their "God"s heart.

[Pass That Shit]

It's not about how much someone knows, it's about his word being true. :jointsmile:

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

[GraziLovesMary]

It's not about how much someone knows, it's about his word being true. :jointsmile:

"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."

I see... *sigh* well... thank you very much for putting that into perspective for me :wtf:

Bible quotations are nice and cute, but it is one of the biggest reasons why religious debates tire me. People put their entire faith in this book which they claim was divinely inspired. Whether or not it was... its still a very stale argument. I get sick of speaking with people using logistics and empirical data, and their responses are unoriginal sentences from a coveted book that is really quite open to many different interpretations. I am 22 and have been having intense theological discussions for over 15 years. I have heard and read everything the bible has to offer, in many different versions. I have also heard countless thousands of different interpretations on the same quotes.

I am happy for you that you have been turned onto what you believe to be true. I wish you peace and prosperity and whatever else you may seek.

[Pass That Shit]

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

[BlueJayWay]

God does exist!

[palerider7777]

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

lol i highly doubt this

[palerider7777]

Well, I don't believe in "sin", I do believe some acts are immoral.

I also don't agree with the death penalty, as the death penalty is murder. I do agree with life in prison (isolation if need be) to prevent the murderer from murdering again.

I think we've been down this road before. My mindset is, if someone is willing to give out a punishment without giving the reason for the punishment, the punishment is unjust. From what I've read, God punishes immoral acts, but in many cases does not define the reason for the immorality.

I hope you can see why myself, and many others, cannot put faith into the bible. I disagree with many of the messages, and there are no ways to reconcile these disagreements. If someone were to make demands upon me the way that the Bible does (ie goverment) I'd question their motives. Why should I make an exception for the Bible? It doesn't make sense to.

Always fun talking to you :)

i think if sum of these guys that are on death row did sum of the things that they have done to someone real close to u i think u might see it a lil diffrent

[Pass That Shit]

[1] To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
[2] A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
[3] A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
[4] A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
[5] A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
[6] A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
[7] A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
[8] A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace."

[Hardcore Newbie]

i think if sum of these guys that are on death row did sum of the things that they have done to someone real close to u i think u might see it a lil diffrentPerhaps, but I highly doubt it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[GraziLovesMary]

Wow, you were an intense dude at 7 :wtf:
You are over qualified for this thread. So if these types of debates sicken you, make a better attempt at avoiding them. :asskick:

Ive been intense my whole life, I cant really help it. But you are right. I shall avoid this thread. Cheerio.

[Pass That Shit]

:jointsmile: God does not exist cause this is the 500th reply. :jumphappy:

[Hardcore Newbie]

:jointsmile: God does not exist cause this is the 500th reply. :jumphappy:For some reason I knew the 500th post was going to say how it was the 500th post :)

[Pass That Shit]

LOL, did you say 500th :jumphappy:

Everyone talks about not believing in God, but what about Satan?
Does evil strike the earth? Or is it only science? What are your thoughts on the Devil? :smokebong:

[Pass That Shit]

I feeling festive! Here's a Widow from my last grow log! :jointsmile:

[SMYLES]

god does not exist because , why would he have sent his son to earth at that time in history? think about it, 2000 years ago theres just him an his twelve mates to spread the word of god,
why didnt he send his son at this time in history, all he would have to do is go on sky news i think we would all get the message then.:thumbsup:

[Hardcore Newbie]

LOL, did you say 500th :jumphappy:

Everyone talks about not believing in God, but what about Satan?
Does evil strike the earth? Or is it only science? What are your thoughts on the Devil? :smokebong:Evil does strike the earth, but not from any paranormal or supernatural means. Of course, it's just my belief :)

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Everyone talks about not believing in God, but what about Satan?
Does evil strike the earth? Or is it only science? What are your thoughts on the Devil? :smokebong:
evil is a man made concept and, in case you haven't noticed, its definition changes from time to time. a true window into the political nature of religion is this tendency to redefine evil according to changing popular morality and political expediency.

i've always loved the trickery behind the concept of satan. what better way to answer the troublesome question, "how can a loving god allow such suffering in the world?" what better scapegoat than a renegade intent on usurping the throne of god?

[GraziLovesMary]

evil is a man made concept and, in case you haven't noticed, its definition changes from time to time. a true window into the political nature of religion is this tendency to redefine evil according to changing popular morality and political expediency.

i've always loved the trickery behind the concept of satan. what better way to answer the troublesome question, "how can a loving god allow such suffering in the world?" what better scapegoat than a renegade intent on usurping the throne of god?

The universe will always tend towards entropy, or chaos. This is where I think the concept of satan came from. Some sort of justification for the unknown

[Hardcore Newbie]

Another 500th post ;) It's MY 500th post :D everyone cheer for me :)

[palerider7777]

There is an interesting explanation for this in the movie Zeitgeist. They claim that God, Jesus, and other religious figures were metaphors of astronomical observations and that when the sun (God) set then the story went that Satan's evil forces or whatever would take over the earth for the night until God would take control back in the morning. If this were true then the people who first lived with these stories probably related Satan (or equivalent) to the lack of light and warmth, fear, predators and other things that might be considered evil.

i saw that movie i like all but the first part,and like u say "Satan[/i]'s evil forces or whatever would take over the earth for the night untilSatan (or equivalent) to the lack of light and warmth, fear, predators and other things that might be considered evil"

if that were true then why is satan and his place"hell"
in a hot, bright, place related to the sun or in the sun or in the middle of the earth?satan is always related to hot bright places?just a thought, and even though he's called the prince of darkness everything to do with him is light, heat, "sun"type things.though movies like to make it out that he only comes out at night or that darkness is where evil lurks but the truth is that the only reason that is the case is because darkness is the unknown,and the unknown breeds fear and anything unknown is labeled evil for a lack of knowledge there of.

[Pass That Shit]

Another 500th post ;) It's MY 500th post :D everyone cheer for me :)
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm a Yankee fan and A-Rod finally hit his 500th! :dance: :dance: :dance:
He already said that he will shop himself to other teams for next season!
I threw this in out of left field. :wtf: Keep them posts comin! :thumbsup:

[jammin26]

basically, if god really knew all this babble went on, i think hes gonna be one hell of a confused father of creation unless he is a seriously straight guy with his morales pretty much set in stone. i think the only thing we can definetly say about it is we've got such a massive arguement these no simple way you can god.

[Pass That Shit]

According to the bible, no man can say that Jesus Christ is LORD without the Holy Spirit. Obviously anyone can say it and many do, but the teaching is that no man can know that Jesus is LORD unless they have the Holy Spirit. :jointsmile:

Now of course, if we say that Jesus Christ is LORD we mean that he is God and Father of all things. There is only ONE LORD. Jesus Christ is our God and Father. It's very clear in scripture that Jesus is our Father, so what does that make his father to us? Our grandfather?

Once again, you need to understand son of man/Son of God to understand God. :jointsmile:

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Who was manifested? God or the Son of God? If the Son of God was not God himself, the scriptures contradict,
but we know that isn't the case cause his word is true.

[Hardcore Newbie]

link to it and I'll cheer it (belated is better than never)
Hehe, good job. Nobody cheered on my 666th post :(

[GraziLovesMary]

There is an interesting explanation for this in the movie Zeitgeist. They claim that God, Jesus, and other religious figures were metaphors of astronomical observations and that when the sun (God) set then the story went that Satan's evil forces or whatever would take over the earth for the night until God would take control back in the morning. If this were true then the people who first lived with these stories probably related Satan (or equivalent) to the lack of light and warmth, fear, predators and other things that might be considered evil.

Exactly similar to many examples I have gone through in my imagination.. it would make alot of sense to me.

[THClord]

God doesn't exist because he is not capable a creating a rock so heavy that even he can't pick it up.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Hehe well the thread is closed now but here it was: http://boards.cannabis.com/1603977-post39.html
Happy birthday.... I mean 666th :P

[palerider7777]

basically, if god really knew all this babble went on, i think hes gonna be one hell of a confused father of creation unless he is a seriously straight guy with his morales pretty much set in stone. i think the only thing we can definetly say about it is we've got such a massive arguement these no simple way you can god.

umm what now that made no sense at all and people talk about me lmfao ok

i think the only thing we can definetly say about it is we've got such a massive arguement these no simple way you can god. roflmao

[palerider7777]

According to the bible, no man can say that Jesus Christ is LORD without the Holy Spirit. Obviously anyone can say it and many do, but the teaching is that no man can know that Jesus is LORD unless they have the Holy Spirit. :jointsmile:

Now of course, if we say that Jesus Christ is LORD we mean that he is God and Father of all things. There is only ONE LORD. Jesus Christ is our God and Father. It's very clear in scripture that Jesus is our Father, so what does that make his father to us? Our grandfather?

Once again, you need to understand son of man/Son of God to understand God. :jointsmile:

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

Who was manifested? God or the Son of God? If the Son of God was not God himself, the scriptures contradict,
but we know that isn't the case cause his word is true.

i think ur a lil confused as no satan did'nt sin from the beginning he was one of the closest to god and then wanted to be as god and wanted to take over and thats when god cast him out of heaven.

[Pass That Shit]

god does not exist because , why would he have sent his son to earth at that time in history? think about it, 2000 years ago theres just him an his twelve mates to spread the word of god,
why didnt he send his son at this time in history, all he would have to do is go on sky news i think we would all get the message then.:thumbsup:

Why are you knocking the method God used to get his message to the entire earth if you're still hearing his message today?
Have you not heard the message?

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it."