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Great Spirit

10-14-2006, 09:37 PM

This is why I am going to hang myself after the next staged attacks.
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http://www.alternet.org/rights/42458/

Kellogg Brown & Root, a Halliburton subsidiary, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of Bush's "unlawful enemy combatants." Americans are certain to be among them.

The Military Commissions Act of 2006 governing the treatment of detainees is the culmination of relentless fear-mongering by the Bush administration since the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Because the bill was adopted with lightning speed, barely anyone noticed that it empowers Bush to declare not just aliens, but also U.S. citizens, "unlawful enemy combatants."

Bush & Co. has portrayed the bill as a tough way to deal with aliens to protect us against terrorism. Frightened they might lose their majority in Congress in the November elections, the Republicans rammed the bill through Congress with little substantive debate.

Anyone who donates money to a charity that turns up on Bush's list of "terrorist" organizations, or who speaks out against the government's policies could be declared an "unlawful enemy combatant" and imprisoned indefinitely. That includes American citizens.

The bill also strips habeas corpus rights from detained aliens who have been declared enemy combatants. Congress has the constitutional power to suspend habeas corpus only in times of rebellion or invasion. The habeas-stripping provision in the new bill is unconstitutional and the Supreme Court will likely say so when the issue comes before it.

Although more insidious, this law follows in the footsteps of other unnecessarily repressive legislation. In times of war and national crisis, the government has targeted immigrants and dissidents.

In 1798, the Federalist-led Congress, capitalizing on the fear of war, passed the four Alien and Sedition Acts to stifle dissent against the Federalist Party's political agenda. The Naturalization Act extended the time necessary for immigrants to reside in the U.S. because most immigrants sympathized with the Republicans.

The Alien Enemies Act provided for the arrest, detention and deportation of male citizens of any foreign nation at war with the United States. Many of the 25,000 French citizens living in the U.S. could have been expelled had France and America gone to war, but this law was never used. The Alien Friends Act authorized the deportation of any non-citizen suspected of endangering the security of the U.S. government; the law lasted only two years and no one was deported under it.

The Sedition Act provided criminal penalties for any person who wrote, printed, published, or spoke anything "false, scandalous and malicious" with the intent to hold the government in "contempt or disrepute." The Federalists argued it was necessary to suppress criticism of the government in time of war. The Republicans objected that the Sedition Act violated the First Amendment, which had become part of the Constitution seven years earlier. Employed exclusively against Republicans, the Sedition Act was used to target congressmen and newspaper editors who criticized President John Adams.

Subsequent examples of laws passed and actions taken as a result of fear-mongering during periods of xenophobia are the Espionage Act of 1917, the Sedition Act of 1918, the Red Scare following World War I, the forcible internment of people of Japanese descent during World War II, and the Alien Registration Act of 1940 (the Smith Act).

During the McCarthy period of the 1950s, in an effort to eradicate the perceived threat of communism, the government engaged in widespread illegal surveillance to threaten and silence anyone who had an unorthodox political viewpoint. Many people were jailed, blacklisted and lost their jobs. Thousands of lives were shattered as the FBI engaged in "red-baiting." One month after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, United States Attorney General John Ashcroft rushed the U.S.A. Patriot Act through a timid Congress. The Patriot Act created a crime of domestic terrorism aimed at political activists who protest government policies, and set forth an ideological test for entry into the United States.

In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the legality of the internment of Japanese and Japanese-American citizens in Korematsu v. United States. Justice Robert Jackson warned in his dissent that the ruling would "lie about like a loaded weapon ready for the hand of any authority that can bring forward a plausible claim of an urgent need."

That day has come with the Military Commissions Act of 2006. It provides the basis for the President to round-up both aliens and U.S. citizens he determines have given material support to terrorists. Kellogg Brown & Root, a subsidiary of Cheney's Halliburton, is constructing a huge facility at an undisclosed location to hold tens of thousands of undesirables.

In his 1928 dissent in Olmstead v. United States, Justice Louis Brandeis cautioned, "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." Seventy-three years later, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, speaking for a zealous President, warned Americans "they need to watch what they say, watch what they do."

We can expect Bush to continue to exploit 9/11 to strip us of more of our liberties. Our constitutional right to dissent is in serious jeopardy. Benjamin Franklin's prescient warning should give us pause: "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

the yeag

10-15-2006, 12:41 AM

wow kinda interesting unless you really read it.....in 1798 the federalist led Congress capitalizing on fear of war passed the ...... you get the point there were not even Republicans yet. this bill will pass but it will get refined first..it wont pass with the habeas corpus thing anyway...get real. They can't take away are basic rights.

name_1878

10-15-2006, 12:45 AM

i dont get how the fuck bush is in office again
i mean more than half the people i talk to have a passion of hate for bush like myself
i fucking hate that dousche i dont get how he hasnt gotten assainated yet
fuck him
i hope he dies a slow painful death or goes to jail for something and has to take it up the ass everynight by some 600lb black dude
fucking asshole i hate bush

the yeag

10-15-2006, 12:50 AM

moonwolf52

10-15-2006, 01:06 AM

make sure you vote. It might not matter since the elections can be rigged. Republicans are in so much shit right now that I'm sure that they will pull something. Heck, if worse comes to worse, Bush can always cancel the elections next month. This country is going down the tubes with Bush and his neoconservatives. Scary!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bong30

10-15-2006, 02:12 PM

Bong30

10-15-2006, 02:13 PM

Bong30

10-15-2006, 02:19 PM

Bong30

10-15-2006, 02:31 PM

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$1 million for arrest of American al Qaeda charged with treason
POSTED: 10:35 a.m. EDT, October 12, 2006
Story Highlightsâ?¢ NEW: Gadahn placed on most-wanted list; $1 million reward offered
â?¢ Californian first American charged with treason since World War II era
â?¢ Gadahn, 28, appealed to Americans in al Qaeda videos
â?¢ Nicknamed "Azzam the American," he hailed 9/11 hijackers in video
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- An American al Qaeda propagandist was indicted Wednesday on treason charges, the first person charged with the offense during the United States' war on terrorism, officials said.

Adam Yahiye Gadahn, who has appeared in five al Qaeda videos, is also charged with offering material support for terrorism, U.S. Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty said.

He has been put on the FBI's Most Wanted Terrorists list, and the State Department is offering a $1 million reward for information leading to his arrest and conviction.

The 28-year-old California native is the first American to face the charge since the World War II era, McNulty said.

"A charge of treason is exceptionally severe, and it is not one we bring lightly," McNulty said at a news conference in Washington. "But this is the right case for this charge."

If apprehended and convicted, Gadahn could face the death penalty.

Nicknamed "Azzam the American," Gadahn is not in U.S. custody and is believed to be living in Pakistan, McNulty said.

McNulty said he believes that Gadahn has been involved in issuing propaganda but not in carrying out any terrorist attacks. (Watch how Gadahn came to be indicted for al Qaeda ties -- 1:59 )

Threat issued
Gadahn has appeared in several al Qaeda messages speaking English and appealing to Americans.

In his latest video appearance, Gadahn called for the world to convert to Islam and praised the hijackers who carried out the September 11, 2001, attacks as "dedicated, strong-willed, highly motivated individuals with a burning concern for Islam and Muslims."

^^^^^He believed the 19 did it, why dont you america haters.......?^^^^^

That video, issued days before the fifth anniversary of 9/11, featured both Gadahn and Osama bin Laden's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

In a September 2005 video, Gadahn referred to the 9/11 attacks as "the blessed raids on New York and Washington." According to the indictment, Gadahn, referring to prior attacks in Europe, said, "Yesterday, London and Madrid. Tomorrow, Los Angeles and Melbourne, Allah willing. And this time, don't count on us demonstrating restraint or compassion."

The FBI first put out an alert on Gadahn in 2004, saying he was "being sought in connection with possible terrorist threats against the United States," although the agency said it had "no information indicating this individual is connected to any specific terrorist activities."

FBI Director Robert Mueller last month said Gadahn was of "significant" importance to al Qaeda as a spokesman.

"People have seen his face. It's going to be very difficult for him to become an operative. But he is a contributor," Mueller said.

The charge of treason is rarely used because, in order to win a conviction, the Constitution requires testimony from "two witnesses to the same overt act," or a confession.

While McNulty would not discuss the evidence against Gadahn in detail, he said prosecutors were "very confident" they could meet the requirement for two witnesses, noting that "a number of individuals" could identify Gadahn as the person speaking in the al Qaeda videos.

California roots
Wednesday's indictment was handed down by a federal grand jury in Santa Ana, California. Gadahn's last known address in the United States was in Orange County, California.

Gadahn grew up in Riverside County, California, on a goat farm. His father was a rock guitarist before starting the farm with his wife.

Gadahn left when he was a teenager, according to his father. After a heavy-metal rock phase, he turned to Islam in 1995 and wrote about it on the Internet.

"As I began reading English translations of the Quran, I became more and more convinced of the truth and authenticity of Allah's teachings contained in those 114 chapters."

Gadahn's call on Americans to convert came with an explicit warning of what would happen if his call went unheeded.

"Anyone who pays any attention to the messages of the leaders of the jihad, like Sheik Osama bin Laden and Sheik Ayman al-Zawahiri, may God protect them, will know that they have been consistent in inviting the Americans and other unbelievers to Islam and in pressing upon them that they want the best for them. And making it clear to all that we have no choice but to fight those who fight us," Gadahn said.

Gadahn's family had no comment about the latest tape. In the past, his father has said Gadahn moved to Pakistan in 1998 and that the family lost touch with him in 2002

^^^^^ this could be anyone of you fucks^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ GS your next.

Great Spirit

10-15-2006, 06:59 PM

You are a Piece of fucking shit.................

I hope you die a slow death

Stay in fucking canada you fuck...........Don't pay any attention to Bong30. He's simply a Bush loving brainwashed Amerikan neo-con fascist thinking his country has the right to invade any others in the name of "freedom" (more like imperialism) and to spread his culture around the world....by force if neccessary. He has a constant phobia of Islam and he actually believes the official propaganda story of Arab hijackers hijacked jets in the flew them in the WTC towers and the pentagon on 9/11.

People like Bong30 are dangerous and they are the ones who need to be locked up due to their warlike negative views. Of course, I believe in freedom so locking him up is unjust until he harms someone.

As for Bush, he needs to be impeached and tried for war crimes. He is a murderering fascist!!! Also heard he is a Reptilian. :thumbsup:

In Bong's world, we are demonic unpatriotic Liberals who are the real problem.

Too bad the Elite laugh their asses off at people like this because they know its full of shit.

Great Spirit

10-15-2006, 07:10 PM

GS,
Please just save up some money and go live in LONDONSTAN.

you can join a mosque that hates america, and then you can train with Al quida, and some fine american soldier can blow your head of with a 50 cal.

AS for concentration Camps......people that should be there=

Muslims....then deport all there asses

all america Haters that have no vision on what america can be or has been. "you hate america ? we will help you get the fuck out"

The Japs went into camps cause we couldnt trust them.... we cant trust you america haters.....

On here the people that shoud go in Camps are

GS
PISSY
krogith
Gumby fuck
Ronjack

Me and other REAL american will have the Key.Lol Bong, you do realize what happened in Nazi Germany yes? You do realize that George W. Bush's grandfather funded them yes? You do realize they used propaganda to get people to hate Jews yes?

Jews of the 30s = Arabs of the 2000s.

I feel sorry for you.....you pitiful stupid brainwashed Amerikan.

AMERIKA!! THE GREAT SATAN!! THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON!! MAY HER DESTRUCTION BE NIGH!!

Uh oh...better call Fatherland...I mean Homeland Security on me Bong. lol.

I don't hate Amerika because of the Constitituion. Far from it. I HATE AMERIKA BECAUSE IT IS NOW AN IMPERIALIST NATION OF MURDERERS!!!

Of course the world will welcome the destruction of such materialistic and greedy people.

the yeag

10-15-2006, 07:23 PM

Bush's grandfather funded the natzi party?..show me...just a question but why do you live in america?

Great Spirit

10-15-2006, 08:10 PM

Bush's grandfather funded the natzi party?..show me...just a question but why do you live in america?Good ol Prescott Bush helped fund the Nazis through Brown Borther Harriman banking group. He should have been tried for treason.

I dont want to live in Amerika, but unfortunately I was born here. I am only about 7 hours from the Canadian border so when the nukes go off, I may go up there or just die.

pisshead

10-15-2006, 08:17 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

yes, prescott bush company assets were even seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942. that's a fact, it's historical, it happened, make of it what you will.

i'd leave if there a place to go, but it seems that most of the world is under control of the global dictatorship of freedom and fiat banking.

perhaps a private island somewhere, completely sustainable living...that's my goal.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/)

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.
The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush's behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the "Bush/Nazi" connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.
Remarkably, little of Bush's dealings with Germany has received public scrutiny, partly because of the secret status of the documentation involving him. But now the multibillion dollar legal action for damages by two Holocaust survivors against the Bush family, and the imminent publication of three books on the subject are threatening to make Prescott Bush's business history an uncomfortable issue for his grandson, George W, as he seeks re-election.
While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war.
Tantalising

Bush was also on the board of at least one of the companies that formed part of a multinational network of front companies to allow Thyssen to move assets around the world.
Thyssen owned the largest steel and coal company in Germany and grew rich from Hitler's efforts to re-arm between the two world wars. One of the pillars in Thyssen's international corporate web, UBC, worked exclusively for, and was owned by, a Thyssen-controlled bank in the Netherlands. More tantalising are Bush's links to the Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC), based in mineral rich Silesia on the German-Polish border. During the war, the company made use of Nazi slave labour from the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. The ownership of CSSC changed hands several times in the 1930s, but documents from the US National Archive declassified last year link Bush to CSSC, although it is not clear if he and UBC were still involved in the company when Thyssen's American assets were seized in 1942.
Three sets of archives spell out Prescott Bush's involvement. All three are readily available, thanks to the efficient US archive system and a helpful and dedicated staff at both the Library of Congress in Washington and the National Archives at the University of Maryland.
The first set of files, the Harriman papers in the Library of Congress, show that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.
The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.
The third set of documents, also at the National Archives, are contained in the files on IG Farben, who was prosecuted for war crimes.
A report issued by the Office of Alien Property Custodian in 1942 stated of the companies that "since 1939, these (steel and mining) properties have been in possession of and have been operated by the German government and have undoubtedly been of considerable assistance to that country's war effort".
Prescott Bush, a 6ft 4in charmer with a rich singing voice, was the founder of the Bush political dynasty and was once considered a potential presidential candidate himself. Like his son, George, and grandson, George W, he went to Yale where he was, again like his descendants, a member of the secretive and influential Skull and Bones student society. He was an artillery captain in the first world war and married Dorothy Walker, the daughter of George Herbert Walker, in 1921.
In 1924, his father-in-law, a well-known St Louis investment banker, helped set him up in business in New York with Averill Harriman, the wealthy son of railroad magnate E H Harriman in New York, who had gone into banking.
One of the first jobs Walker gave Bush was to manage UBC. Bush was a founding member of the bank and the incorporation documents, which list him as one of seven directors, show he owned one share in UBC worth $125.
The bank was set up by Harriman and Bush's father-in-law to provide a US bank for the Thyssens, Germany's most powerful industrial family.
August Thyssen, the founder of the dynasty had been a major contributor to Germany's first world war effort and in the 1920s, he and his sons Fritz and Heinrich established a network of overseas banks and companies so their assets and money could be whisked offshore if threatened again.
By the time Fritz Thyssen inherited the business empire in 1926, Germany's economic recovery was faltering. After hearing Adolf Hitler speak, Thyssen became mesmerised by the young firebrand. He joined the Nazi party in December 1931 and admits backing Hitler in his autobiography, I Paid Hitler, when the National Socialists were still a radical fringe party. He stepped in several times to bail out the struggling party: in 1928 Thyssen had bought the Barlow Palace on Briennerstrasse, in Munich, which Hitler converted into the Brown House, the headquarters of the Nazi party. The money came from another Thyssen overseas institution, the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvarrt in Rotterdam.
By the late 1930s, Brown Brothers Harriman, which claimed to be the world's largest private investment bank, and UBC had bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler's build-up to war.
Between 1931 and 1933 UBC bought more than $8m worth of gold, of which $3m was shipped abroad. According to documents seen by the Guardian, after UBC was set up it transferred $2m to BBH accounts and between 1924 and 1940 the assets of UBC hovered around $3m, dropping to $1m only on a few occasions.
In 1941, Thyssen fled Germany after falling out with Hitler but he was captured in France and detained for the remainder of the war.
There was nothing illegal in doing business with the Thyssens throughout the 1930s and many of America's best-known business names invested heavily in the German economic recovery. However, everything changed after Germany invaded Poland in 1939. Even then it could be argued that BBH was within its rights continuing business relations with the Thyssens until the end of 1941 as the US was still technically neutral until the attack on Pearl Harbor. The trouble started on July 30 1942 when the New York Herald-Tribune ran an article entitled "Hitler's Angel Has $3m in US Bank". UBC's huge gold purchases had raised suspicions that the bank was in fact a "secret nest egg" hidden in New York for Thyssen and other Nazi bigwigs. The Alien Property Commission (APC) launched an investigation.
There is no dispute over the fact that the US government seized a string of assets controlled by BBH - including UBC and SAC - in the autumn of 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy act. What is in dispute is if Harriman, Walker and Bush did more than own these companies on paper.
Erwin May, a treasury attache and officer for the department of investigation in the APC, was assigned to look into UBC's business. The first fact to emerge was that Roland Harriman, Prescott Bush and the other directors didn't actually own their shares in UBC but merely held them on behalf of Bank voor Handel. Strangely, no one seemed to know who owned the Rotterdam-based bank, including UBC's president.
May wrote in his report of August 16 1941: "Union Banking Corporation, incorporated August 4 1924, is wholly owned by the Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaart N.V of Rotterdam, the Netherlands. My investigation has produced no evidence as to the ownership of the Dutch bank. Mr Cornelis [sic] Lievense, president of UBC, claims no knowledge as to the ownership of the Bank voor Handel but believes it possible that Baron Heinrich Thyssen, brother of Fritz Thyssen, may own a substantial interest."
May cleared the bank of holding a golden nest egg for the Nazi leaders but went on to describe a network of companies spreading out from UBC across Europe, America and Canada, and how money from voor Handel travelled to these companies through UBC.
By September May had traced the origins of the non-American board members and found that Dutchman HJ Kouwenhoven - who met with Harriman in 1924 to set up UBC - had several other jobs: in addition to being the managing director of voor Handel he was also the director of the August Thyssen bank in Berlin and a director of Fritz Thyssen's Union Steel Works, the holding company that controlled Thyssen's steel and coal mine empire in Germany.
Within a few weeks, Homer Jones, the chief of the APC investigation and research division sent a memo to the executive committee of APC recommending the US government vest UBC and its assets. Jones named the directors of the bank in the memo, including Prescott Bush's name, and wrote: "Said stock is held by the above named individuals, however, solely as nominees for the Bank voor Handel, Rotterdam, Holland, which is owned by one or more of the Thyssen family, nationals of Germany and Hungary. The 4,000 shares hereinbefore set out are therefore beneficially owned and help for the interests of enemy nationals, and are vestible by the APC," according to the memo from the National Archives seen by the Guardian.
Red-handed

Jones recommended that the assets be liquidated for the benefit of the government, but instead UBC was maintained intact and eventually returned to the American shareholders after the war. Some claim that Bush sold his share in UBC after the war for $1.5m - a huge amount of money at the time - but there is no documentary evidence to support this claim. No further action was ever taken nor was the investigation continued, despite the fact UBC was caught red-handed operating a American shell company for the Thyssen family eight months after America had entered the war and that this was the bank that had partly financed Hitler's rise to power.
The most tantalising part of the story remains shrouded in mystery: the connection, if any, between Prescott Bush, Thyssen, Consolidated Silesian Steel Company (CSSC) and Auschwitz.
Thyssen's partner in United Steel Works, which had coal mines and steel plants across the region, was Friedrich Flick, another steel magnate who also owned part of IG Farben, the powerful German chemical company.
Flick's plants in Poland made heavy use of slave labour from the concentration camps in Poland. According to a New York Times article published in March 18 1934 Flick owned two-thirds of CSSC while "American interests" held the rest.
The US National Archive documents show that BBH's involvement with CSSC was more than simply holding the shares in the mid-1930s. Bush's friend and fellow "bonesman" Knight Woolley, another partner at BBH, wrote to Averill Harriman in January 1933 warning of problems with CSSC after the Poles started their drive to nationalise the plant. "The Consolidated Silesian Steel Company situation has become increasingly complicated, and I have accordingly brought in Sullivan and Cromwell, in order to be sure that our interests are protected," wrote Knight. "After studying the situation Foster Dulles is insisting that their man in Berlin get into the picture and obtain the information which the directors here should have. You will recall that Foster is a director and he is particularly anxious to be certain that there is no liability attaching to the American directors."
But the ownership of the CSSC between 1939 when the Germans invaded Poland and 1942 when the US government vested UBC and SAC is not clear.
"SAC held coal mines and definitely owned CSSC between 1934 and 1935, but when SAC was vested there was no trace of CSSC. All concrete evidence of its ownership disappears after 1935 and there are only a few traces in 1938 and 1939," says Eva Schweitzer, the journalist and author whose book, America and the Holocaust, is published next month.
Silesia was quickly made part of the German Reich after the invasion, but while Polish factories were seized by the Nazis, those belonging to the still neutral Americans (and some other nationals) were treated more carefully as Hitler was still hoping to persuade the US to at least sit out the war as a neutral country. Schweitzer says American interests were dealt with on a case-by-case basis. The Nazis bought some out, but not others.
The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war.
Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".
Jan Lissmann, one of the lawyers for the survivors, said: "President Bush withdrew President Bill Clinton's signature from the treaty [that founded the court] not only to protect Americans, but also to protect himself and his family."
Lissmann argues that genocide-related cases are covered by international law, which does hold governments accountable for their actions. He claims the ruling was invalid as no hearing took place.
In their claims, Mr Goldstein and Mr Gingold, honorary chairman of the League of Anti-fascists, suggest the Americans were aware of what was happening at Auschwitz and should have bombed the camp.
The lawyers also filed a motion in The Hague asking for an opinion on whether state sovereignty is a valid reason for refusing to hear their case. A ruling is expected within a month.
The petition to The Hague states: "From April 1944 on, the American Air Force could have destroyed the camp with air raids, as well as the railway bridges and railway lines from Hungary to Auschwitz. The murder of about 400,000 Hungarian Holocaust victims could have been prevented."
The case is built around a January 22 1944 executive order signed by President Franklin Roosevelt calling on the government to take all measures to rescue the European Jews. The lawyers claim the order was ignored because of pressure brought by a group of big American companies, including BBH, where Prescott Bush was a director.
Lissmann said: "If we have a positive ruling from the court it will cause [president] Bush huge problems and make him personally liable to pay compensation."
The US government and the Bush family deny all the claims against them.
In addition to Eva Schweitzer's book, two other books are about to be published that raise the subject of Prescott Bush's business history. The author of the second book, to be published next year, John Loftus, is a former US attorney who prosecuted Nazi war criminals in the 70s. Now living in St Petersburg, Florida and earning his living as a security commentator for Fox News and ABC radio, Loftus is working on a novel which uses some of the material he has uncovered on Bush. Loftus stressed that what Prescott Bush was involved in was just what many other American and British businessmen were doing at the time.
"You can't blame Bush for what his grandfather did any more than you can blame Jack Kennedy for what his father did - bought Nazi stocks - but what is important is the cover-up, how it could have gone on so successfully for half a century, and does that have implications for us today?" he said.
"This was the mechanism by which Hitler was funded to come to power, this was the mechanism by which the Third Reich's defence industry was re-armed, this was the mechanism by which Nazi profits were repatriated back to the American owners, this was the mechanism by which investigations into the financial laundering of the Third Reich were blunted," said Loftus, who is vice-chairman of the Holocaust Museum in St Petersburg.
"The Union Banking Corporation was a holding company for the Nazis, for Fritz Thyssen," said Loftus. "At various times, the Bush family has tried to spin it, saying they were owned by a Dutch bank and it wasn't until the Nazis took over Holland that they realised that now the Nazis controlled the apparent company and that is why the Bush supporters claim when the war was over they got their money back. Both the American treasury investigations and the intelligence investigations in Europe completely bely that, it's absolute horseshit. They always knew who the ultimate beneficiaries were."
"There is no one left alive who could be prosecuted but they did get away with it," said Loftus. "As a former federal prosecutor, I would make a case for Prescott Bush, his father-in-law (George Walker) and Averill Harriman [to be prosecuted] for giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They remained on the boards of these companies knowing that they were of financial benefit to the nation of Germany."
Loftus said Prescott Bush must have been aware of what was happening in Germany at the time. "My take on him was that he was a not terribly successful in-law who did what Herbert Walker told him to. Walker and Harriman were the two evil geniuses, they didn't care about the Nazis any more than they cared about their investments with the Bolsheviks."
What is also at issue is how much money Bush made from his involvement. His supporters suggest that he had one token share. Loftus disputes this, citing sources in "the banking and intelligence communities" and suggesting that the Bush family, through George Herbert Walker and Prescott, got $1.5m out of the involvement. There is, however, no paper trail to this sum.
The third person going into print on the subject is John Buchanan, 54, a Miami-based magazine journalist who started examining the files while working on a screenplay. Last year, Buchanan published his findings in the venerable but small-circulation New Hampshire Gazette under the headline "Documents in National Archives Prove George Bush's Grandfather Traded With the Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor". He expands on this in his book to be published next month - Fixing America: Breaking the Stranglehold of Corporate Rule, Big Media and the Religious Right.
In the article, Buchanan, who has worked mainly in the trade and music press with a spell as a muckraking reporter in Miami, claimed that "the essential facts have appeared on the internet and in relatively obscure books but were dismissed by the media and Bush family as undocumented diatribes".
Buchanan suffers from hypermania, a form of manic depression, and when he found himself rebuffed in his initial efforts to interest the media, he responded with a series of threats against the journalists and media outlets that had spurned him. The threats, contained in e-mails, suggested that he would expose the journalists as "traitors to the truth".
Unsurprisingly, he soon had difficulty getting his calls returned. Most seriously, he faced aggravated stalking charges in Miami, in connection with a man with whom he had fallen out over the best way to publicise his findings. The charges were dropped last month.
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Buchanan said he regretted his behaviour had damaged his credibility but his main aim was to secure publicity for the story. Both Loftus and Schweitzer say Buchanan has come up with previously undisclosed documentation.
The Bush family have largely responded with no comment to any reference to Prescott Bush. Brown Brothers Harriman also declined to comment.
The Bush family recently approved a flattering biography of Prescott Bush entitled Duty, Honour, Country by Mickey Herskowitz. The publishers, Rutledge Hill Press, promised the book would "deal honestly with Prescott Bush's alleged business relationships with Nazi industrialists and other accusations".
In fact, the allegations are dealt with in less than two pages. The book refers to the Herald-Tribune story by saying that "a person of less established ethics would have panicked ... Bush and his partners at Brown Brothers Harriman informed the government regulators that the account, opened in the late 1930s, was 'an unpaid courtesy for a client' ... Prescott Bush acted quickly and openly on behalf of the firm, served well by a reputation that had never been compromised. He made available all records and all documents. Viewed six decades later in the era of serial corporate scandals and shattered careers, he received what can be viewed as the ultimate clean bill."
The Prescott Bush story has been condemned by both conservatives and some liberals as having nothing to do with the current president. It has also been suggested that Prescott Bush had little to do with Averill Harriman and that the two men opposed each other politically.
However, documents from the Harriman papers include a flattering wartime profile of Harriman in the New York Journal American and next to it in the files is a letter to the financial editor of that paper from Prescott Bush congratulating the paper for running the profile. He added that Harriman's "performance and his whole attitude has been a source of inspiration and pride to his partners and his friends".
The Anti-Defamation League in the US is supportive of Prescott Bush and the Bush family. In a statement last year they said that "rumours about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush ... have circulated widely through the internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated ... Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser."
However, one of the country's oldest Jewish publications, the Jewish Advocate, has aired the controversy in detail. More than 60 years after Prescott Bush came briefly under scrutiny at the time of a faraway war, his grandson is facing a different kind of scrutiny but one underpinned by the same perception that, for some people, war can be a profitable business.

Ozarks

10-15-2006, 08:39 PM

actually believes the official propaganda story of Arab hijackers hijacked jets in the flew them in the WTC towers and the pentagon on 9/11.

Of course, I believe in freedom so locking him up is unjust until he harms someone.

As for Bush, he needs to be impeached and tried for war crimes. He is a murderering fascist!!! Also heard he is a Reptilian. :thumbsup:

Then....

You do realize that George W. Bush's grandfather funded them yes?

AMERERIKA!! THE GREAT SATAN!! THE GREAT WHORE OF BABYLON!! MAY HER DESTRUCTION BE NIGH!!

Uh oh...better call Fatherland...I mean Homeland Security on me Bong. lol.

I don't hate Amerika because of the Constitituion. Far from it. I HATE AMERIKA BECAUSE IT IS NOW AN IMPERIALIST NATION OF MURDERERS!!!

Of course the world will welcome the destruction of such materialistic and greedy people.
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What a sad, sad sick mind, delusional, hateful apologist for murderers of women & children, in the name of their God. A self-proclaimed "believer " of freedom.

A mind that lives in a society that offers opportunities to live a free a happy life in almost any endeavor, he chooses a life of hate, fear and obtuse ingratitude. Being so clueless as to not even recognize that victory by the murdering Muslims he supports, would lead to his murder as well. Instead choosing to use his time, skills, and talent to bite the hand that feeds him, To justify the murdering of all who exercise their "right" not to wear the burka or live under Islamic law, the very people who created the society that gives him everything, including the "rights" his murdering Muslim thugs would denie to him, me, and you.

the yeag

10-15-2006, 08:41 PM

well I appreciate the info. lots of Americans and business people around the world had dealings with Germany back then. I don't think that makes you a Nazi.

Great Spirit

10-15-2006, 08:47 PM

Then....

What a sad, sad sick mind, delusional, hateful apologist for murderers of women & children, in the name of their God. A self-proclaimed "believer " of freedom.

A mind that lives in a society that offers opportunities to live a free a happy life in almost any endeavor, he chooses a life of hate, fear and obtuse ingratitude. Being so clueless as to not even recognize that victory by the murdering Muslims he supports, would lead to his murder as well. Instead choosing to use his time, skills, and talent to bite the hand that feeds him, To justify the murdering of all who exercise their "right" not to wear the burka or live under Islamic law, the very people who created the society that gives him everything, including the "rights" his murdering Muslim thugs would denie to him, me, and you.I don't support "murderous Muslims", but I do wish the destruction of Amerika's current fascist government so a new peaceful Libertarian oriented government can take place. Amerika needs to live up to its Constitution.

Your nation and the world are headed down a very very dark path of destruction. I dont even know if it will change when you recognize who your masters really are.

The first thing we should do is look and examine ourselves. Then we should move to a more agrarian economy and use bio-friendly fuels for energy, which hemp will be most useful.

What we need most of all is a change of consciousness into the higher dimensions to bring forth change.

the yeag

10-15-2006, 08:58 PM

Great Spirit

10-16-2006, 12:47 AM

I bet ya don't vote in the next election.....it will be all automated with bush's new voting machines...scarry... a libertarian president..haha you might as well elect a women....you would have a better chance of successYes I am going to vote in this election if there are any Libertarians or Greens running. If you Amerikans love liberty and freedom so much, you would definately elect a Libertarian President who follows the Constitution.

I am voting for the Green Party candidate for governor in my state (PA) and probably Dems for all the other local ones. The higher up in the food chain you get, the more corrupt you are.

Everybody who voted in 2004 had the opportunity to vote a Libertarian President into office. Michael Badnarik was on the ballot of all 50 states in the Union so you are without excuse!!!!!

Sometimes what seems like our most difficult problems are actually the easiest to solve.

Its ironic that most of our problems can be solved just be pulling the lever.

the yeag

10-16-2006, 12:51 AM

I would love to vote libertarian, but why waste your vote if a candidate could actually come close in the primaries then i would do it.

Torog

10-16-2006, 12:57 PM

sleepinwifsilentbob

10-16-2006, 01:13 PM

he is in office because he won the vote. this is how you spell douche. he has not been assassinated because we have great security in the good Ole USA. Why an overweight black man. Do you hate bush fat people and blacks? ..the rest is just treason....good day Eh?

Treason? To speak up against your government? You do understand the basics of democracy don't you? When you live in a place where u can't speak your mind, and our expected to follow your governement blindly, and are persicuted for disagreeing with those who lead you...... sounds like the "reason" Bush goes into countires to establish democracy.

Krogith

10-16-2006, 04:05 PM

War and america will never make peace. True peace will come from God. This path that the world is on will lead to a all out nuke war. God will not allow this to happen and armageddon is drawing ever near. Look around you.... How can you not see we are liveing in the last days? People are just consumed about them selfs. People are lovers of money. People hang a cross over there neck and pray to it but can not see it's a Idol? Did you not read what Jesus said? Does History not tell you something? The fall of Rome, the Nazzi's being lead into insanity. We have a Vast amount of knoladge to pull from to show us this path will distroy us.

Bong30

10-16-2006, 06:46 PM

War and america will never make peace.
False...... Japan is one Cold War is 2

True peace will come from God.
WRONG.... True Peace comes from inside

I find peace with My Family.....

This path that the world is on will lead to a all out nuke war.
Wrong the whole world doesnt have nukes, and I would like to keep it that way.

God will not allow this to happen and armageddon is drawing ever near.
If The Iranian Pres has His way..it will....he wants the 12th IMAM, christians dont want the return of jesus, we want to live not die, to get our Myrterdom

Look around you.... How can you not see we are liveing in the last days?
Please........ Fearmonger

People are just consumed about them selfs. People are lovers of money.
I live Paycheck to paycheck, and My family is the NUmber one thing in my life.

People hang a cross over there neck and pray to it but can not see it's a Idol?
THe cross is a Symbol.......

Listen dipshit krogith....Jesus Died so we dont have to.... MUslims want to die for there god. Dont you see its backwards? That is why people like you and gs are so dangerous. So stupid you cant even see it. Islam needs a reformation

Did you not read what Jesus said?
example?
Does History not tell you something?
Yes... what does it tell you....... KROGITH WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE PEOLE PROTESTING <<<NO WAR WITH GERMANY, HITLER IS MISUNDERSTOOD>>>> STFU

The fall of Rome, the Nazzi's being lead into insanity.
UHHH what do you mean?

We have a Vast amount of knoladge to pull from to show us this path will distroy us.
It will destroy you, not US real americans. You cant handle that we are in the fight of our life with Radical Islam. They want to die for Allah, I want to Live for My Family.....see a problem?

Respond please if you can

Krogith your Main Problem is... that you are not smart enough to understand the big picture.

you are a bleeding hart Liberal that just uses emotion to make decisions. you think.....WAR IS BAD, cause people die and shit gets blow up, BUT, how about liberating all the millions of people in Iraq, ( we didnt know they just wanted to kill each other), Liberating the concentration Camps in Germany? We had to Nuke Japan to Save Millions. YOu are just to Ignorant to know any better. In your world of teddy bears, and peace must be nice, but the same people you Defend......WANT YOU DEAD..Infidel!

moonwolf52

10-25-2006, 05:50 PM

We are not liberating the people in Iraq. Bush wanted an excuse to finish what his father could not and that is why we have troops over there. I support our troops but I do not and never will support this stupid war!

I will vote this coming election to get the Republicans out of control of the Senate and the House.

Also, Religion is one the biggest causes of problems. Everyone thinks their religion is the true religion. No one will ever agree, therefore we will alsways have wars.