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gunge9

10-11-2006, 12:25 AM

I have a vent for a bathroom. I put a plug on it for my regular powerstrip. I may just run it 24/7 to help with odor too. Or I do have an extra timer or 2 around...

Should I leave the light on 18/6?

18/6 for vegging is ok i guess, maybe you could shoot for 24/0 but 18/6 sounds better as you can cool the place down everyday.

That will fill the house, that sweet sticky smell, i`m licking me lips o)

Phx

10-11-2006, 12:57 AM

I think I may do the 24/0 as I think the nutes and the bucket system make the plants able to take the stress. I am leaving the closet slightly open until the fan and exhaust fan are installed. I also have the light at about 20 inches since this is the 1st day under it.

invision

10-11-2006, 02:43 AM

seedlings are stretching more the light closer and very bad idea with that many plants together they will eventually tangle at the root and will die

JackdaWack

10-11-2006, 03:26 AM

I saw in pic in ur last thread the pllants need the light alot closer u might want to use a fluoro for the first week of the plants life maybe allittle longer, u can really get them light with out the burn. cause there so small that really have nothing to catch the light so they get even less then expected. but with a fluor you can practically touch the plants with the bulb (ofcourse not doing so)

Phx

10-11-2006, 01:35 PM

I know I could shuffle lights around. I would prefer to raise the big light and have the flouro that I have for other uses. The stretching is from PRIOR to being under this light.

Im pretty pissed at this point about the 4 plants in one bucket situation. My local guy is out of the rocks that I need for my second bucket. (the round, tan ones). I am going to try to grow 2 in each bucket... after I pick them:) I may just end up removing 2 today as it is bugging the shit out of me! At what point will I be able to determine females/males? Should I grow all of them just in case I have to chop the males down...

After the light being on for about 30 minutes this morning, I can see some new growth. I can also see the larger leaves are yellowed slightly from the light yesterday. I have moved it up about 4 inches.

Until I vent the closet, I have just been leaving the door open. It needs a constant fan which I seem to have misplaced. Dammit!

I will keep a close eye on them...

Dazed4now

10-11-2006, 02:02 PM

hey i understand the stretching is from them being in a window but the HPS for vegging isnt doing them much better
either get a metal halide conversion bulb and use that or turn off the HPS till your ready to bud them and use several CFLs to veg them out
Vegging plants need more full spectrum (metal halide) lighting then red spectrum lighting (hps), at least if you want lavish green plants
other than that i see nothing wrong, what is the temp in there?

Phx

10-11-2006, 02:31 PM

In reply to Dazed4now,

First I totally agree, on a deeper level, with your Signature.

Or maybe Im just High!

About the light... All these abbreviations... My guy showed me basically 3 options in these types of lights (no flouros). One of one type, one of the other, OR this bulb with all 3 colors. (I believe is how he put it). He is the only grow shop I know of in town and has a Perfect record and is a great source of knowledge. He also gave me the boxes

Phx

10-11-2006, 02:36 PM

Here is the other bucket waiting on rocks...

Dazed4now

10-11-2006, 06:39 PM

call him and ask him if they have Metal Halide Conversion Bulbs (MH bulbs that are designed to run on HPS ballasts, so all you need is the bulb not the whole setup), if you can afford it then go pick it up, if you cant then go to walmart and find the biggest and best Compact Fluoroescent Light, get about 3 or 4 of those and use them to veg your plants out, then come time for flowering use your high pressure sodium which will finish the job.
see High pressure sodium emits more towards the red spectrum (which is why you have an orange glow) which is good when flowering your plants 12\12, but when they are still in the vegging stage 18\6 or 24hrs light (really doesnt matter) they need more full spectrum lighting than red spectrum, if you get a metal halide light you will notice the difference in how they grow, look, and perform

OregonsDank

10-11-2006, 08:22 PM

Everything looks cool but I would get that carpet out of there asap, its a sponge for bacteria , mites, molds , fungis ect..

Also I know alot of 20 year + growers that only use HPS thru veg and bud, but a " fuller" spectrum , aka MH or T5s will create faster, more dense - plants.

mistyganjatree

10-11-2006, 09:49 PM

always nice to see ya waited until ya had your room completely ready b4 ya started!!!!! leaving door open really!,, preperation is everything in hydro!,, or was that cleanliness??,,,,anyway ya really should have the system complete and functioning properly ie heat control extraction b4 ya put a plant seed or tub of hydroton in place!

welcome to the world of endless possibilities,,,,,hydroponics!

HighSeekerz

10-12-2006, 12:21 AM

Good day to you all. I am the same person as I was... Previously going under PHx. PHx is a friend of mine who used my computer, so when I would log in it would automatically go to that profile. After contacting Admin, Admin has told me to recreate my HighSeekerz profile, disable cookies, reboot, etc... Well, I have done that. I hope I can get into Chat! And now I have to work my way back up to 50 posts to add my sig back on!

Anyways, this evenings pics! Of the exhaust fan I had to dig out... It was hiding...

HighSeekerz

10-12-2006, 12:35 AM

The rest of todays pics. You can see how I have positioned the plants since I got the rest of the rocks. These are the same 4 that I had started in the other pot. Now just 2 in each pot... The roots were about 1 inch longer than the rockwool, so I poked a hole through the rocks with the straw and was able to just guide it down in there without having to touch it at all. Both of them were still okay to move...

HighSeekerz

10-12-2006, 02:53 AM

After being closed for an hour this time the temp is 97.7.
The humidity is 44%.

How do these numbers look?

Also, when should I add nutes? Right now there is a TOTAL of 1/4 tsp of each of the 3 GH products. What amount per gallon should I be at? How do I ADD it to the buckets???

craveshop

10-12-2006, 04:37 AM

to oregons dank, potency is with mh and hps is with density. how about using both for veg

jamstigator

10-12-2006, 08:46 PM

Humidity is okay. If you can get it higher (just by keeping some containers full of water in there or whatever), some books say that increases the percentage of females, if you can get it to 70+ percent. Whether that's true or not, I dunno. 97.7 degrees F is not good though, yikes. Time to put some serious work into your ventilation system. Try to get the temps down to 85F at least, and lower if at all possible.

You should also kill off every plant except one in each pot. If their roots grow together, and you get a male, then what's your plan? If you hack off the male, its roots could (and likely would) start rotting and kill your females or at least infect them and hurt their potential. If you plan to just grow the males too, if you get any, and make seeds, then it makes some sense to just leave them there I guess. If your goal is seedless sensimilla, best to get it down to one plant per pot now before it's too late.

gunge9

10-12-2006, 10:18 PM

Wow that temp seems a little high, keep `em moist bro.

HighSeekerz

10-13-2006, 01:09 AM

The temp in the closet is staying in the mid/upper 90s! I will have to improve the venting. I believe it is the ducting, not the exhaust fan... For the time being, I can keep it cooler by leaving the door open. I may just have to cut a hole through the sheetrock so I can vent right out the top above the door... OR, I may remove the door and cover the opening with cloth that breathes but will contain some of the light...

The humidity is showing 28%! Lots of water will have to be moved in somehow! Plus as soon as the plants get a little higher, I will remove some of the rock around the bubblers. I think that will generate some humidity...

HOWEVER, all this being said, the plants are alive and the leaves are green. The next set that is coming out is about 1/16th of an inch above the first set. That set, even as delicate as they can be, is not burning up...

My 1st recommendation to ANY new grower would be to buy a light that is NOT hot! For one, you cannot contain the heat. And two, you better be able to vent it! There is no way I would recommend this setup to anyone planning on doing any serious growing... I am sure my electric bill is going to be sky high. Mainly due to the heat. Fortunately we are going into the winter! I will cover the light output and utilize the heat:) Before I grow in the summer (in hot climate), I will definitely go to flouro (or something cooler).

Stay Cool! hehe... Chow!!!

HighSeekerz

10-13-2006, 01:38 AM

This is how the plants look after a day in the HEAT...

This is where I moved the exhaust fan to.

The temp with the door open is about 88. Humidity still 27%...

HighSeekerz

10-13-2006, 02:09 AM

#1. These lights are so bright, you cannot conceal them. Do not use a closet within site of any doors or windows!
#2. This 430 watt light is designed for a slightly larger area. I will have to do some major ventilation, but I think that I CAN make it work. I think it would be ideal for an area the size of a washer and dryer with a regular dryer vent. (But still too hot).

As to the number of plants, root concerns, etc... I think I am going to wing it for now. See how the plants do. If/when I do get a good KNOWN female, I will take cuttings for clones. I would like to grow a Mom in soil. Will she keep living and living and living or will I have to keep harvesting her? Also, the way the pots seperate, I think I will be down to 2 before I get any root problems. I would NOT recommend these type pots for anyone as they are TOO big for one plant and too small for 2. I like the square ones...

HighSeekerz

10-13-2006, 03:55 PM

Well, another day has begun. The plants look healthy to me and the second set of leaves grew from tiny sprouts to about 3/4 inch long yesterday on a couple of the plants. And the leaves are not burning up...

The temp is running in the upper 90s. I am leaving the door open ... I will purchase another of the bathroom exhaust fan for temp control.

I dont really see any way of getting the humidity up much. To keep the heat down, I have to cycle so much air OUT of the closet that no moisture I add is going to stay in there. I put a 13x11 glass dish of water in there and it didnt change the humidity at all...

I have been surprised not to get more replies or suggestions. It is difficult to search the boards for a scenario that exactly matches yours and by the time you have found it, your shit is dead.

To all you old Growers... Sorry to be such a pain in the ass as a Newbie.

To all you Newbies... Use THREE resources. 1. Your local grow supplier. 2. The internet. 3. Books. You will need all 3!

To the Cops... If you aren't here in the next 10 minutes, you wont find anything. But just in case you are looking, I keep one glass piece and less than a 10 grams of smoke around IF ANY. I reup whenever I want through about 10 possible sources. Mexican weed, but it gets you high...

I am yanking the plants because I fear the electric bill will be sky high. I also dont need Police problems and I am not in an Ideal grom situation. BUT, by going through this process, I know better what I will need to possibly grow in the future. Who knows, maybe I will order some seeds soon!

Out~

reemer101

10-13-2006, 09:53 PM

if your only growing four plants u should of looked into the aero four ,it alot cheaper then that drip system u have , but other than that it looks good ,make sure u have good vent and cant wait to see some harvest pics in 8 weeks !!!!

HighSeekerz

10-15-2006, 11:38 PM

I couldn't kill them... So I moved them under the flouro lights for now. They have greened up nicely and are putting on leaf growth. I am having fun with them and learning lots!!! I still have the nutes UNDER 1/4 strength. I am raising them slowly as I add water. I think they probably could be way higher...

These are new pics. I have the flouro pushed back because the light screws up the flash, etc...

HighSeekerz

10-15-2006, 11:40 PM

Here are more from the same time...

HighSeekerz

10-15-2006, 11:42 PM

And plants 2, 3 and 4...

HighSeekerz

10-15-2006, 11:52 PM

Let me know what you think!

HighSeekerz

10-16-2006, 12:19 PM

Oh well. I see no comments. That must mean that noone had any bad opinions... I did a water change last night and raised the nutes to 2/1/1 ratios and added the dechlorinator. I also let the water sit for awhile to get to room temp before I put it on the roots... This AM the plants look REALLY good and healthy. Nice green leaves. Thick stalks...

When will I be able to determine sex?

jamstigator

10-16-2006, 12:34 PM

3-6 weeks after sprout, the preflowers should either show hairs or bananas. Depends on the strain, so just be patient. I know, it's hard, I'm in the same boat, but got two confirmed females now (out of 5 plants), and no bananas on the other three, so they're likely female too...but I'll wait until I see hairs to be sure before I transplant them to a bigger pot.

There are other ways to determine sex too, like taking a clone and flowering that, or putting a completely opaque black baggy around one stalk to flower just that stalk. Or just flowering your plants, of course, once they have calyxes. But I just wait 'em out, personally. ;)

misk

10-16-2006, 01:52 PM

nice work sorting out ur problems dude.
ull be suprised how much marijuana can take before itl die.
hang in ther and ull be fine ;)
ur first few grows are always a learning curve
these plants should come up quite nice if u sort out ur ventilation

HighSeekerz

10-16-2006, 10:20 PM

THANKS for the comments! They do give some encouragement!
I can see at each little leaf two tiny little prongs sticking out on the top...
I would say they are about 10 days old or so...

I added two more 48 inch flourescent bulbs. 40 watt Plant/Aquarium bulbs in an extra shop light I had in my storage. So now I have 4 - 4 ft Flouro bulbs. I will add the 430 HPS back when it is time. After the plants are WAY BIGGER. And use the flouros on the front and back or sides...

I cannot use that 430 watt light in the closet I was intending to... It is just too hot.

Why can't I just grow it my bedroom? 18/6 then 12/12?

HighSeekerz

10-17-2006, 02:14 PM

This mornings pics. Just a couple so you can see the size and color...

Is the close up the BANANAS??? Isn't it too early to tell?

jamstigator

10-17-2006, 03:53 PM

Not bananas, looks like that's just some new shoots getting ready to grow out. Probably still too young to be exhibiting any signs of sex.

HighSeekerz

10-18-2006, 01:32 PM

Thanks Jam! Yes, they have come out as small leaves...

This Mornings pics...

JackdaWack

10-18-2006, 09:08 PM

Nice work, i havnt been back to this thread since it first started, if u have light issues get some mylar and tape up the cracks. they sell reflective insulation tape aswell. but other then that good work, good homework. Keep up what ever ur doin.

HighSeekerz

10-19-2006, 04:53 PM

The babies are already smelling very Skunky....

I will probably post photos once a week now that I have got them up and going. Here are todays pics:

Dazed4now

10-19-2006, 05:37 PM

if they smell skunky now.....wait till their 2 days away from harvest, thats skunky
but looks good so far

Weedhound

10-20-2006, 04:11 AM

Totally cool set up! i have a 1kw light that will totally fry up a 15 x20 room in a few hours. I set up an inline fan from the light to the bedroom window and it COMPLETELY solved my heat problem. Wouldn't have been able to continue growing if it hadn't worked--as it was we had central AC going in the middle of summer AND a window ac in the same room and barely kept the heat contained. The inline fan works excellently and I don't need any extra cooling etc for the room with it. Try one if you can.

HighSeekerz

10-26-2006, 06:37 PM

THANKS for the fan suggestion. I assume it would insulate the light from the closet basically and just blow the heat right out. I am working on venting... I may have to vent back to my return air as I cant vent the smell out any of the available windows...

I continue to try to keep them alive:) I had a canoeing problem on one plant. I had too little of the brown nute in the solution I think. Then the bubbler got blocked with some calcium buidup and that plant really suffered from the heat. Anyways, I pulled that plant and put it in soil and gave it away to a window grower. And the original Runt, that had the best stem, got broken somehow. I propped it up, but it got knocked over again and was obviously going to be the weakest in that pot. So, I am down to 2.

Here are the pics of the 2 I hope to harvest. One in each bucket... I have them at full veg nutes of the General Hydroponics solutions. I am using tap water and adding dechlorinator. (I would definitely recommend Distilled water and will be flushing and using distilled at my next water change). I am not using any PH down at this point, but am changing ALL the water once a week. Cash flow is an issue...

If I get a female for clones from these 2, I WILL be happy! It was good local weed...

HighSeekerz

10-26-2006, 07:18 PM

Here is a full size pic of my Avatar pic. I wish when you clicked them, they enlarged instead of going to your profile...

Cyclonite

10-26-2006, 11:05 PM

Yea it will get easier...as you know I'm almost done with my first grow. When they get going good they become much hardier. I used to stress over imperfections on the leaves but now there is so many leaves it doesn't matter. I just look at the general health of the plant and inspect leaves close for pests.

Do they smell minty? Mine did from the second week, they have been smelling more "dankish" as time gos on. Now that im close to finishing everyday they smell much much more than the last.

HighSeekerz

10-27-2006, 08:13 PM

Todays pics. Wondering when I can sex and when I should bloom???

HighSeekerz

10-30-2006, 01:47 AM

I am wanting to throw these into flower. I realize it mat be a little early, but I feel like my main objective should be to get Females! Basically I have gone from full veg nutes to veg/bloom transition nutes (GH). I have also went from 24/0 (which I think is too long for lights anyways...) down to 18/6. BUT, I am reintruducing the 430 watt HPS as soon as I have the vent hooked up (hopefully tomorrow). I also have to mylar my cabinet, etc...

Anyways, here are plant pics. Any thoughs would be appreciated.

I do have a 9 fan leaf on the top of each plant...

monty5309

10-31-2006, 08:22 AM

I am wanting to throw these into flower. I realize it mat be a little early, but I feel like my main objective should be to get Females!

For me, the time to put them into bloom is all about size. Assuming you have germinated & rooted & veged apropo according to GP guidelines, rule-of-thumb is typically 12 to 18 inches. Be aware...the difference in sizes of the plant at 10 weeks depending when you put them into bloom (12 or 18 in) can be over-whelming. I had one clone that got infested with caterpillars and after treatment, it stunted it by a couple of weeks & when the healthy one was 12 to 18 in, the runt was laboring to get out of clone stage and only about 8 to 10 in tall. By the time it was 12 in, the other one was about 20 in and it just took over the whole grow area over the next 7 to 8 wks. Keep them equal in size and bloom at about 14 in. They are going to head for the light(s) anyway and maybe with limited space, you can do the sea-of-green technique.

I do have a 9 fan leaf on the top of each plant...

If you've done your rooting homework, then going into vege you should have some handsome looking broad leaves (errr.. like your pic... :>} ) to catch sunlight and stems with even node lengths up the plant. Deep green with blue veins....

Do keep in mind, they really reach out and take up space. You will need to thin accordingly to allow light to the lower leaves...Monty

HighSeekerz

10-31-2006, 05:44 PM

AWESOME INPUT! THANKS!!!

HighSeekerz

10-31-2006, 06:18 PM

I am going to 12/12 tonight. After I get the cabinet completely blacked in for dark hours...

BUT, before I mylar the cabinet, I think I will remove the bottom plywood so I can set the buckets on the floor. Fortunately, I haven't glued the PVC framework of the cabinet together yet as I was anticipating changes to the design! The top space I hope to be able to put a canister filter.

In reply to Monty-
They look really healthy to me just like you said. Also, if I lift the buckets, there is a tap root that goes all the way to the base of the water resovoir (<<< who the hell knows how to spell that! NOT ME!). And the tap root looks like a fish skeleton with 1/8 inch to 1/2 inch side shoots. I am also very careful with my nutes. I do not ADD nutes, but instead just do a complete water change and minor flush once a week. It only takes 3 gallons max for each bucket including flush water... All with dechlorinated water. (I should be using distilled!) And when I alter nutes, I do it in small stages to avoid shock... I am also checking PH, but the plant is not causing the PH to rise much over a week's time. I have to add about 6-8 drops of PH Down when I do water changes... Then it tests in the 5-6 range.

I have attached a few pics as usual...

One pic is the cabinet. Keep in mind it is not complete and can still be modified. Plus I am trying to find the FLEXIBLE duct! Etc...

One pic is plant 1. AFTER I pruned it and spread it. You can see how I cut the ends of the straws to hold the branches out.

One pic is the light and the glass cover method I am going to use. It is not "installed" yet as I am waiting on the flexible duct!

Pic 4 just shows you how much room I have to drop the buckets. I will just move my sprouts to somewhere else in the cabinet. Besides, there is a TON of wasted space down there...

xcrispi

10-31-2006, 09:03 PM

u need a cooltube or something of the sorts bad.
your like 20 deg. hotter than i like in my room .
peace

HighSeekerz

11-01-2006, 06:45 AM

Here is an update on the cabinets progress. It is not complete, but closer...

HighSeekerz

11-01-2006, 07:51 AM

My cabinet is open so the temp is staying around 80 degrees. We will see when I get it enclosed! Hopefully the vent fan will be sufficient.

PigSnout

11-01-2006, 12:00 PM

Looks good HighSeekerz.
I'd suggest a small fan blowing across the plants in order to strengthen the main stem. I don't know if you are to the point of dont bother since they've grown but keep that in mind on the next grow. I have heat problems also and have put another fan under the light pointing slightly up to keep some of the heat off the plants.

HighSeekerz

11-02-2006, 09:39 AM

Thanks PigSnout. You would think I could find a fan for sale somewhere! All I can find is Christmas junk! And heaters! Anyways, no big deal. I put my sea of green racks in today. I will post cabinet pics tomorrow. The candle glass around the bulb with the exhaust fan pulling air across it seems to be working pretty good... It does need to be mounted better...