Is this korea thing really that serious?

[Markass]

Were these not just weapons TESTS? Why is it a threat to international peace for them testing a bomb? Every country should have the right to uphold proper defenses...But my question is that is this really that serious? Could another war possibly come from this? That's what I'm starting to see..."We must stop them.." Isn't that basically saying we're going to invade them and steal their weapons similar to what we did to Iraq?

[Ozarks]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20061009-115158-2477r.htm




Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published October 10, 2006

U.S. intelligence agencies say, based on preliminary indications, that North Korea did not produce its first nuclear blast yesterday.

U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that seismic readings show that the conventional high explosives used to create a chain reaction in a plutonium-based device went off, but that the blast's readings were shy of a typical nuclear detonation.

"We're still evaluating the data, and as more data comes in, we hope to develop a clearer picture," said one official familiar with intelligence reports.

"There was a seismic event that registered about 4 on the Richter scale, but it still isn't clear if it was a nuclear test. You can get that kind of seismic reading from high explosives."

The underground explosion, which Pyongyang dubbed a historic nuclear test, is thought to have been the equivalent of several hundred tons of TNT, far short of the several thousand tons of TNT, or kilotons, that are signs of a nuclear blast, the official said.

The official said that so far, "it appears there was more fizz than pop."

A successful nuclear detonation requires a properly timed and triggered conventional blast that splits atoms, setting off the nuclear chain reaction that produces the massive explosions associated with atomic bombs.

White House spokesman Tony Snow said assessing the validity of North Korea's claim of a successful nuclear test could take several days.

"We need to find out precisely what it is that took place yesterday, and that is something that's going to take awhile for the scientists and others to work through," Mr. Snow said.

"Nobody could give me with any precision how long it will take until they can say with certainty what happened."

Nuclear bombs make big waves, with clear signatures that make them fairly easy to detect, analyze and confirm that they were caused by splitting atoms. But smaller blasts -- as North Korea's appears to have been -- are trickier to break down, scientists told the Associated Press.

"It takes days, dozens of lab hours, to evaluate results. Now we can have only a rough estimate," said Russian nuclear physicist Vladimir Orlov of the Moscow-based Center for Policy Studies in Russia, a nonproliferation think tank.

Elements of the blast were detected by U.S. and allied sensors as it was set off in an underground tunnel in the north-central part of North Korea. U.S. intelligence agencies have been monitoring several tunnels thought to be nuclear test facilities and have not ruled out Pyongyang's conducting another test.

U.S. officials said the test was timed to coincide with several anniversaries in North Korea, including the end of mourning for the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's father, Kim Il-sung. The test was thought to have been linked to the commemoration.

North Korea's military thinks that joining the world's seven other acknowledged nuclear powers is key to preserving the power of the communist regime.

There were wide variations in seismic data of the North Korean blast. The French atomic agency estimated about 1 kiloton, and South Korea's geological institute said half of that. But Russia's defense minister expressed "no doubt" that North Korea detonated a nuclear test and said the force of the underground blast was equivalent to 5,000 to 15,000 tons of TNT.

"People have different ways of cross-cutting the data and interpreting them," said Lassina Zerbo, director of the International Data Center at the nuclear-test-ban preparatory commission, which is based in Vienna, Austria.

The Bush administration is pushing for the United Nations to adopt economic sanctions against North Korea that would include a blockade of all goods moving into and out of the country.

Key to the imposition of the tough sanctions will be support from China and Russia, two states that in the past opposed sanctions.

The most immediate impact of the underground test is that U.S. officials fear Japan will take steps to develop nuclear weapons as a deterrent.

Official North Korean press for the past several years has been asserting that the United States is planning a pre-emptive nuclear attack on North Korea over its secret uranium-enrichment program.

Intelligence reports from several years ago indicated that North Korea was engaged in a covert program to develop a uranium-based nuclear program with the help of Pakistani nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. The Khan network supplied centrifuges and nuclear-weapons design techniques to Libya, Iran and North Korea.

What U.S. officials have been unable to confirm is whether North Korea received small warhead design information from the Khan network.

Chinese-language documents on how to build a nuclear warhead for missiles were found in Libya and were supplied by Khan network associates. U.S. intelligence officials think Iran and North Korea received similar warhead design documents.

North Korea in July conducted flight tests of seven missiles including a long-range Taepodong-2.

U.S. officials think the plutonium for the pit of the North Korean device was produced by the reactor at Yongbyon, the regime's declared nuclear facility.

U.S. intelligence agencies estimate that North Korea has some 88 pounds of plutonium and that about 13 pounds were used in the recent test.

The remaining plutonium is enough for North Korea to make about six bombs.

[pisshead]

i guess now that north korea did this, it's time to go into iran!

georgy boy and his dad's best friend bill clinton helping us with our freedom, we must worship them.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives_arming_nkorea.html

[roadcam]

Were these not just weapons TESTS? Why is it a threat to international peace for them testing a bomb? Every country should have the right to uphold proper defenses...But my question is that is this really that serious? Could another war possibly come from this? That's what I'm starting to see..."We must stop them.." Isn't that basically saying we're going to invade them and steal their weapons similar to what we did to Iraq?

because Kim Il Jung is a madman, that has been selling weapons to terrorists and rogue nations for years ... he has bankrupted his country (North Korea's peasant population is starving, and eating grass to survive) ... but, he uses his nations resources to build devastating weapons ... he will, and does, sell every weapon at his disposal to any buyer, to support his regime ... contrary to liberals' ideas of a 'touchy-feelie world', there are BAD people out there ... get in my face sometime, and see if all your 'love and peace dialog' stops me from whipping your ass ... I'm not threatening here, I'm just trying to illustrate my point ... evil people do evil things, and have to be stopped ... :smokin:

[jamstigator]

I believe there are several areas of concern here. First off, China doesn't really want a nuclear peninsula, because should nukes be used, where will refugees go? North, to China. China doesn't like that idea at all.

Then there's the proliferation problem. If you assume that there is a small, but finite, chance that a specific nuclear power will use a nuclear weapon, then the more countries there are that possess the capability, the greater the odds that one of them will use it (probably on another nuclear power). If North Korea remains nuclear, it won't be long before South Korea and Japan are nuclear as well, probably followed by yet others. You get enough people with their own version of 'the button', the odds that one of them will press it goes up.

Probably the biggest concern is that North Korea has never created any kind of weapons system that it didn't end up selling to others. An extension of the argument above (that any country has the right to develop weapons for defense): any country also has a right to sell the things it has produced. Sounds great on paper, but when you're talking about nuclear weapons, there's a danger in just anyone with a couple hundred million bucks being able to buy them.

It does sound like they failed with this test, which is good. They probably failed because they haven't yet figured out the correct shape for the conventional explosives used to blow the fissionable materials together and begin the nuclear reaction. That was the one thing that Princeton physics student who designed a suitcase fission bomb a couple of decades ago also had problems figuring out. Ultimately, he couldn't solve that particular problem (because it takes a lot of testing) so he social engineered that information from the U.S. government itself. Fortunately, North Korea cannot do that. So, there will probably be more testing until they figure that problem out.

If we weren't embroiled in Iraq, North Korea's failed nuclear test would probably be a decent indication that we should attack them right now militarily, before they figure it out.

[roadcam]

very well said, Jamstigator ... :thumbsup:

[Bong30]

Were these not just weapons TESTS? Why is it a threat to international peace for them testing a bomb? Every country should have the right to uphold proper defenses...But my question is that is this really that serious? Could another war possibly come from this? That's what I'm starting to see..."We must stop them.." Isn't that basically saying we're going to invade them and steal their weapons similar to what we did to Iraq?

Just think is.....what kind of nut says he blew a nuke when he didnt?


sounds stable.......NOT.

[FLORIDA MON]

When I traveled to South Korea, a couple of years back, I read a report that claimed 3,000,000 people starved to death in North Korea over a specific 5-year period.

Yes, it is a serious situation that should have been dealth with many years ago.

If we weren't so busy "liberating" Iraq and looking for 1 guy in Afghanistan then I am sure that we'd be bombing the shit out of them by now.