Organic Nutrients?

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I was thinking about using bat guano as the only nutrient in my DWC system. it is an 18 gal rubbermaid housing 2 plants in 3" net pots filled with hydroton. I was planning on using the mexican bat guano for the veg stage (10-2-1) and then using either the jamaican (1-10-0.2) or the indonessian (0.5-12-0.2)

Do you think this would work? It will certainly be a whole lot cheaper. I am thinking of doing it just as an experiment.

Please jot down your opinion, for the first timer.

Peace.
G-V
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[connisuer]

I love organic nutes! There better for the enviroment, better for your herb and better for your body, but in a hydroponic application you should use organic nutes that have been processed for a resavior, using strictly bat guano might give you an unstable pH and won't have all the primary and micro nutrients you need

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Conn,

I was thinking of checking the PH daily in the res, and adjusting it using either vinegar or baking soda, whatever the case requires. Do you think it is do-able? I will be purchasing a ppm/temp pen, and using a manual PH test kit. I want it to be fun. lol.

Keep shootin the replies.

Peace.
G_V
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[connisuer]

ok, i take it your a little new to hydroponics correct? instead of experimenting why dont we try something we know works, for one even though you check your ph daily and make needed adjustments, when i say you want a stable ph, i mean that your nutrients can hold that neutral ph balance for weeks at a time without having to make daily adjustments, since your doing a bubble system any ph change is going to effect the root immediatley, also i wouldnt recommend using vinegar and baking soda, they dont work to well and vinegar will make your nutes nasty and baking soda will make them thick like beef stew, stick with a simple ph up and down from the hydro store

you also said you would be purchasing a ppm meter, if your budget is tight go with a ph meter instead because the test strips suck and ppm isnt going to make a differance anyways if your ph is off balance and your plants are going deficiant, just do biweekly water changes and just top off with water ass needed

now lets find a nutrient that is going to work and be very simple for you, if you can get ahold of a sensi pro pack, they got one for veg and one for flower, take it and run, those things are fool proof they even balance out there own ph for you, if you cant you can always try the flora series from general hydroponics, they usually come with some easy instructions, try to get ahold of the manual it has some awesome feeding schedules to go by that make it very simple, you also can try what im currently using, pure blend pro from botanicare, its a simple 2 part nutrient solution, 1 for veg and 1 for flower, its completely organic and works very well if you ask me, i also add liquid karma to the mix which has micro nutrients that help develop a strong root system to better absorb nutrients, then i throw in some silica blast which i recommend to any indoor grower, this stuff helps the plant fight back against harsh conditions such as high temps and high humidity and other stress of that nature, it also promotes fuller more lush growth

i use them in this order, 1500ppm(1300 pure blend pro, 100 liquid karma, 100 silica blast, when i go to flower i raise the pure blend to 1500 ppm and keep everything else the same at 100)
since your doing a bubble you may wanna go a little weaker since your nutes are always sitting in solution, i might try 800ppm for pure blend pro and keep liquid karma and silica at 100 ppm each, some might agree or disagree i have always been an aggressive feeder, the key here is to keep it as simple as possible my friend while finding what works best for your situation, theres so many advertisements out there you gotta read between the lines, i steer away from products that promise a little to much

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Connisuer.

Gnarly bro, I am definetly going to look into that. Yea you were correct on the new to hydro question (is it that obvious? lol). I want to be very low key when I start, and that even means in the electricity bill. I plan on using a 4' flourescent for my vegging and then using a higher wattage CFL for the flowering stage. I dont want to run a HID because of the heat and ventilation issue, I just dont have that kind of space. I have read that some HPS flood lights that can be purchased at hardware stores will do good, however I never know what one to buy etc etc.

This is going to be a dumb question but when you measure out each nutrient into the ppms is that a different measuring system, or would I need a ppm pen? This question may not make sense so forgive me. lol.

Peace.
G_V
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[connisuer]

to answer your question, just mix up your nutrient solution in the resivior till you hit the ppms you want by testing it with your meter

now for lights, i dont like flouros, i started with flouros way back in the day and was never satisfied with the result but there wasnt any cfl when i was growin, i do however own a sunlight supply 400watt cfl which is awesome for my seedlings and clones i would recomend if you have to use flouros, if anything dont go cheap in the light department, if you must try lookin into like a 250watt hps for when you flower and use flouros for veg, i'm tellin ya it takes so long to flower with flouros, your looking at like 4-5 months for your entire grow depending on what lights you buy apossed to 3 months with hid's, look on ebay i'm sure you can get a nice deal on a HID and heat isnt an issue, lets say you had a 250 watter all your really gonna need is a regular house fan blowin your plants to keep em cool, but definately look into a good light system

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Ok got ya on the nutrient department. I am actually of thinking about buying a 250 watt HPS for my flowering, still using flouros for my veg. You have said before that I can run a 400 watt HPS for $20/month so I thought cutting it in half, for a while. Cool so all I need is a fan for the venting isuue, righteous.

The fan is the easy part. Cool brah thanks for all your info thus far, much obliged.

Peace.
G_V

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[Buddahbear]

Actually guano is usuable for hydroponic system. In fact guano tea is just powdered guano and water mixed together.


I'm not sure if you wanna try using just guano on your first grow, maybe some ph balanced nutes. If you wanna grow Organic but with hydro I highly reccomend trying out the Fox Farm Hydroponics nutrients.

Here's a site on guano:
http://www.canadianwholesalehydroponics.com/guana.cfm

here's a site with a good pH/EC/TDS/Temp wand for cheap. If you're doing hydro and wanna do it right this is probably one of the best things to get.

http://sunstoneherbals.com/hanna_combo_ph_ec_tds_temp_waterproof_tester_hi981 29.htm

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Buddahbear.

Aight bro thanks, I figured using guano would be cool. So like connisuer said the only thing with guano is that my PH would be shifting a lot?

That pen has it all in one, thats gnarly. I found a ppm pen for $20 and thought I would get that for now, and continue to use the vile and drop tester kit. Its kinda prehistoric however this is a entry level. However the pen you showed me is on the "to get list" lol.

Do you have any ideas on how to make a carbon filter? I saw someone make one using the carbon that you can buy at a pet store. Any thoughts?

Thanks for the advice, keep it coming.

Respect.
G_V

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[Buddahbear]

I've seen charcoal filters at home depot. I've also read about people making their own. Charcoal filters seem like a pretty easy thing to get your hands on.

Ppm? Don't you wanna get a pH pen?

I think it's also important to realize what connieseur said about micro-nutrients and stuff. You can't just solely use guano tea from propagation to harvest (although that would probably make some damn delicious tasting bud) you might have problems with just guano.

Another really good resource from the organic grow master (soma)
http://www.somaseeds.nl/magazine_articles/GrowingwithGuano.html

If you wanna stay hydro-organic Fox Farm makes a really great Hydroponic 100% organic vegetative fertilzer (Grow Big)

[latewood]

It is best to start with known processed nutrients until you know what you are doing. I have used all the available organic type nutrients made for hydro, but I must tell you. GH 3-part outperforms even the best organics(Pure Blend Pro) in Hydro.

It is better to learn hydroponics before you introduce variables which you might not understand. go GH3-part and you will have a successful grow that you can build knowledge off of, and then do an Organic grow, and you will see the difference...3-part in small bottles is under 30 bucks...goodluck

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Buddah, Latewood.

Alright I hear what you guys are saying. I'm kind of an organic freak so sometimes I may sound persistent. Sorry. I have looked into Fox Farms' products, as well as General Hydroponics' and will have to make a decision before I start. Maybe I will throw in a little guano in during the flowering stage to see if I can get some more flavor, and see if I notice the difference.

I was thinking of starting with a Cinderella 99 strain. They seem good for a first timer, and I'm pretty sure I've never had it before. lol. Do you guys think its secure to order from canada, hempdepot.cs to be percise. I have heard it is kind of sketchy ordering from there right now, and I'm want to be as stealthy as possible.

Thanks again guys, really gnarly of ya.

Peace.
G_V

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[Buddahbear]

Gypsy Nirvana is the most reliable and safe seed bank I know of. Those smalltime overseas distributors can be sketchy.

http://www.seedboutique.com/store/

I think it's quite possible to go organic. You might get a slight decrease in yield but that's because chemical hydropnics can make supernatural freakishly large buds. If your down with the whole organics thing, you have to be willing to make that sacrifice in order to get some top quality Nuge'.

http://foxfarmfertilizer.com/products_liqfert2.html

is the only organic fertilizer I know of that's really effective. Chemical certainly has it's advantages but you don't HAVE to go chemical. Using organic soil mixtures are probably the easiest way to do organic, but it's understandable that you might want to do hydroponics.

Fox Farm website has alot of great information on all this shit. It's possible to do hydro-organic, and considering you're smoking all those chemicals eventually you might wanna take that into consideration. It is understandable you want the most clean and organic bud you can get.

Give it a go, it might be a little more difficult at first but if you're dedicated enough it shouldn't be a problem.

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Gnarly.

I like how I can find some seeds in the lower range. lol. I am thinking about going with the Fox Farm nutrients that you mentioned. I will probably also try the General Hydroponics as well, just to see the difference and be able to experiemnt with my own mixture sometime.

When it comes to DWC its cool that the roots are eventually submerged in the nutrient mix? I plan on using the scrog technique when I get to flowering, as I want to make it as small of a space as possible.

Peace.
G_V

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[JackdaWack]

i use biotanic pure blend pro, its organic, its a bitch to use, but once u can get a hold on nutrient levels and a good ppm ur set. You have to start with i would say half the nutrient level recomended and then add/subract more as u see the plant grows. Grows ok weed fuckin amazing.:stoned:

[SativaKali]

dont worry you just suck brah ;) haahaa.....you know i love you :)

[mistyganjatree]

general hydroponics do a biohydro range with bio filter and living thingies in it , if thays what lights your candle,,
I like my chems, they work, they flush, they nice!.lol

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Gotcha.

However MistyGanjaTree, I dont quite understand your General Hydroponics comment. Could you explain it for me a little more in depth. I am still trying to grasp the whole growing lingo.

Peace.
G_V

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