rootone?

[brookerosebud]

n e 1 use this stuff? i have 4 clones 5 days old and 2 just cut today.

looks like first four are starting to re veg. opinions on this product?

[BlueBear]

I have noticed a good amount of growers use it, but I have no personal exp with it.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

hi bluebear! i was hoping to hear from you. what is your cloning technique?

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

caught your techs on the other thread, thanks bluebear!

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Not a problem little lady. If there is a way that your already thinking about cloning, maybe I can give you some input. Right now I am about to take about 16 clones or so and have not decided if I will try to store them in the fridge or put them in my bubble cloner withPH'd water and no nutes with 1 23w cfl in hopes that they will just kind of stay alive and not really grow for a couple weeks until I have more room for them.
Well, like I said, if you all ready have something in mind let me know and I will try to help.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

thanks again bear, so far i've followed the directions on the bottle, the first 4 are a week old today, and they still look alive, however, the other two have wilted bad. i took the top off, (gatorade bottle cut for green house) they seem to have picked up a little, but we'll see. i'm rooting in potting soil.

3 23w cfl's about two feet above. just took two clones from three more plants(brings me to 12 clones) right now i'm trying to learn this cloning thing. the way i see it, out of my 8 plants, maybe 3 are female, destroy the male clones. that'll leave six females, 3 moms 3 for flower.

then...the sog...is on....!

i realy appreciate your help bear. if i'm doing anything wrong, please correct me.

geez this response is scattered! sorry, need some sleep:o

love, brooke:p

[Garden Knowm]

Its good stuff..
Oliva's cloning gel is good stuff too..

Most important is temperature.. keeping clones at 70 degrees is the Super SAFE route.. no chance of drying out.. if you go above 80 degrees.. make sure you have good air flow..

Also, if you can get WILT SPRAY you will have the golden ticket..

iloveyou

[BlueBear]

I use wilt spray my self. Brook you can bring those CFL's way closer to the lights, withen 6 inches at least. Another thing, I mist the heck out of my babies with a spray bottle. I use a little Super Thrive and just make sure the water sits out for 24 hours to disapate any clorine in the water. I PH my water down, but if I didn't I would still do it if I was doing a budget grow. I mist about 10 times a day just because my cab for clones and mothers is in my office so I am always babying them, plus my temps are kind of high in there right now so they can dry out pretty quick, but I will get a fan sometime soon.
Adieu

[Garden Knowm]

Keep your plants less than 1 inch from CFLs you will notice a HUGE difference..

iloveyou

[brookerosebud]

ok, be back in a few hours. going to lower the lights, and grab some grub.

thanks guys!

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

ok, i lowered the lights no the clones, (total of 12) the first 4 have rooted, the others are really wilted looking. took your advice bear, been misting like crazy...

is there anything else i can do to help these little heads out?

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

to knowm,

i lowered the lights down to 1 inch. cones are looking better for the most part, however, clones from plant 2 look weak and ugly. i might have to take a few more, just in case. as stated b4, my timer broke down, hope to get anoter on friday.

then 12 12 flower power.

to bear, misting has helped tremendously. thanks fo the advice, hope to hear from you guys again soon. i'll have an up date either tonite or tomorrow.

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

You can keep the ones that haven't rooted further away from the light. Actually they aren't doing much photo synthesis at this point, they are mainly trying to establish a root system. Don't give up on the wilting ones yet, just give them some time IMO.
The help is no problem, and the Knome Knows his stuff, so you are in very good company if he keeps checking in, and I know I will keep checking in.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

help!! guys, as you know, i have one outdoor plant. she is currently at day 21 of flower (app). as i made the rounds this evening, i was plucking the dead, dried leaves, and noticed little knat sized bugs on the undersides of the leaves on one branch. every branch has buds now, so what can i use to kill these pests, without jepordizing the fruit?

ps i do have a sprayer, and i think some sevin

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

yikes.. don't spray poison.. Can you actually see any damage that the bugs have done?

picture please..

iloveyou

[BlueBear]

Also, before you touch your in door girls, change close and wash up good. Even if you thik that their not on you they stil may be and get transfered to your others.
Get the picks up if you can.
Adieu

[Garden Knowm]

Also, before you touch your in door girls, change close and wash up good. Even if you thik that their not on you they stil may be and get transfered to your others.
Get the picks up if you can.
Adieu

BRILLIANT ADVICE!!!!

and keep your dogs and cats away from your indoor plants.. bugs will hitch rides on your pets and get off at your plants..!!!

[brookerosebud]

i'll try to get pics tomorrow, but try to visualize...

LST'd plant about 3 feet long, 40 branches or so (small ones) each with buds on top. fan leaves are dying off, little by little, thier growth being replaced by flowers. on the under side of the fan leaves, and now on the buds as their are fewer leaves now, there are little black bugs (some are black on the ends with red and white in the middle) about the size of ... a poppy seed. no visible damage whatsoever. but i know bugs and plants don't mix.

the big issue is the weather. we'll get the first freeze of the year tomorrow night! she will have to come inside, unless i can get some heat under the crawl space.

pet safe raid? sevin dust? ice water? i just fear i won't be able to get pics in time.

hope to hear back from you guys tonite,
till then, thanks

love, brooke

ps, the bugs don't really move. they just sit there, clillin out. ??? weird

[brookerosebud]

safer's insecticidal soap? sounds like the answer to me. plz chk this and tell me what you think.

http://www.treehelp.com/shopping/product-detail.asp?Product_ID=2212

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

I wouldn't bring them in until you know what kind of bugs they are. You don't want to spread the bugs to your crop and destroy all of your hard work.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

i deffinitely won't bring this plant into my grow room, at all, whatsoever..
but i do have a crawl space under the house, i'm going to put a space heater in there. it's darker in there than it is outside anyway. thanks bear!

so what do you think about safer's insecticidal soap?

it seems worth a shot. if the plant dies, oh well... bagseed anyway. i think this worthy of experimentation and am willing to sacrifice this beautiful babe to the cause of growing science.

(got four clones from her rooted anyway:)

so, do you guys think this product worth this experimentation? plant is one of the most lst'd i've ever seen and would be awesome to see at maturity!

sorry, i'm rambling... i'm just worried...

thanks guys, i hope we can fix my prob.

love brooke

ps i don't realy want to sacrifice her, but i gess i will if i have to.

[BlueBear]

I will look into that insectaside. What kind of light are you going to use on the plant? Are you going to just let it sit in the dark for a few days and harvest the buds? It seems like it should be about done this time of year.
Adieu

[BlueBear]

Oh yeh, don't be lonely, be happy, smile sweety.
Adieu

[BlueBear]

Sounds like it could help. I would give it a try, perhaps the GK will give us his opinion.
Ok, hear we go
A totally safe and natural product proven to solve insect problems. It will control a variety of insects including aphids, mealy bugs, spider mites, soft
brown scale, psyllids, rose or pear slugs (sawfly larvae) and earwigs. Safer's Insecticidal Soap can be used on houseplants, roses, flowers, vegetables,
fruits, ornamentals, shrubs, trees or greenhouse plantings.

Soap has been used for centuries as an all-purpose pesticide. When sprayed on insects, insecticidal soap breaks down the insect's protective coating and
causes it to dehydrate and die. Insecticidal soap is very different than dish water soap. It is specially formulated with fatty acids to kill insects.
Dish washing soap on the other hand contains perfumes and dyes and in a concentrated form can be harmful to plants.

Safer's Insectidical Soap is natural and safe to use on shade trees, fruit trees, shrubs, houseplants, flowers and ornamentals. When using Safer's Insecticidal
Soap spray it directly onto the insects when they are first sighted on buds, shoots, stems, bark and the underside of leaves. It should be applied weekly
for 2 to 3 weeks.

The concentrate is mixed with water at a ratio of 1:50. The 16 oz. (500 mL) bottle when mixed with water will make 6.6 gallons (25 Litres) of insecticidal
soap spray.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

thanks bear,

i'll be putting the infested under the house with a heater during natural dark hours only. i still have about 3 or 4 weeks left of flower (maybe less, have to consult my log later). in the morning b4 work, i'll put her back outside. this is the only option i can think of. i'll deffinately be trying the safer's. i'll make sure to create a thread about the experiment. (maybe i can get a camera and actually have pics!)

thanx again bear, and by the way, the 4 clones from this plant are rooted. and i mean ROOTED! how long b4 they veg out again? the roots that are visible are about 3 1/2 inches long.

love, brooke

ps would love some input from you too, knowm. do you think this soap is a good idea? i think it's my only option, besides a way too early harvest.

[BlueBear]

Generally once they have a good root development and are showing new growth, they are swinging back into the veg stage. Some people sware that it takes months, but I have found it hapend in as little time as 3 weeks. Some times different strains readjust better, and it may depend on how long the plant was in flower.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

i brought the plant to shelter last night. it got down to 36. going to get the safer's today after work. also going to get a timer, and more fl's and cfl's.

be back later with an update.

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

built a flower box in my room, 31x91x48in. bought a timer today. hope to get more lights tomorrow, going to start flower cycle tonite!

just wanted to see if you got back to me, bear, knowm.i'm going to finish the box. be back in a little while.

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Oh, I read your latest earlyer, so far, so good. Keep us posted.
Doing good trooper.
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[BlueBear]

Also, what coast are you on? East, West, North or South? Was wondering because you said that the temps were about to get down into the 30's, sounds like the weather around hear.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

east coast. and its cold, cold tonite. i got some safer's insecticidal soap today, but didn't use it. i gess this mornings 50 degrees ran them off. i will spray tomorrow regardless. question... if i put all 8 plants in the flower box, but only have half the light i need, will i cause any stress or damage? it would only be for a day or 2, but i'd like to run them all at the same time for log/experimental purposes (tried lots of new lst techniques, cool new tricks lerned thread for the future)

current light setup for 1,2,7,8 is 2 48" k and b bulbs 3600lum ea, and 3 23w cfl's 1600 lum. if i put the other four in there tonite, i'll also add another double 48'', but this one has daylight bulbs(6500k) 3050lum

so total lumens until i get the rest of my lights would be 18,100lumens. will this suffice until i get more light? my plan is 11 cfl's, and 8 flo bulbs. this would be a total of 46,400 lumens, if i did my math right.

please let me know. if i had more money to work with at one time, i'd go for an hps or two, but as it stands, i can only add stuff to what i have now.

so far flo's have done remarkably well, and i've seen pics and thread of others who have used them the whole grow. all i can say is that if it doesn't work well this time, i'll get hps for next grow.

thanks bear. talk to you soon

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

ps, ment to say the bugs were gone this morning, but i spaced it. also, the least amount of light that i'll be running for flower is 8 cfl's and 4 48'' k and b bulbs. total of 27,200 lumens

[Garden Knowm]

Hi Brook,

sorry i have been really busy..

PCTURES!!! : )

You know, even if it is the worst bugs in the world... spidermites.. you have one thing going for you.. THE cold.. MANY bugs including spidermites hybernate in the winter and that means they don't eat or multiply.. all it takes usually is for the temperature to drop below 50-60 degrees.. on the other hand, you rplant is probably not digging the cold temps to much either..

I would proceed with CAUTION spraying anything on plants that are flowering.. especially if they have buds...

two reason... MOLD and Poison.. I would rather smoke bugs than poison..

I am sorry if you answered this already...

But are the bugs actually causing any visible damage?

iloveyou

[brookerosebud]

dear knowm,
there is absolutely no damage to the plant whatsoever, its almost like they met up and said hey, there's a cool crib!. and jumped on. last night the temps got down to 51 degrees in my crawl space. this morning, the bugs were gone. i'll try the soap if i have to, i'm just worried bc this plant still has 3 or 4 weeks left to harvest. oh yeah, the words in the instructions sound like it was made for pot. "spray on affected buds" "use until and even on day of harvest" etc.


as for pics. i have a friend that will let me use her camera if she can ever find the computer cable for it. i'd love to show these guys off.

thankx knowm,

did you see my question about lights? would love some input so i can budget it out this week. thanks again!

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Hi Brooke,

If you have 8 plants... and they are how tall??

You will ideally need 2 - 42 watt CFLs per plant... minimum..

Keep the plants close together and surround them with the CFls.. the CFLs should be no further than 1 inch from your plants...

i am excited to see the pictures?

what state are you in?

[brookerosebud]

in sc. if possible, i'd like to stick with the 23 (100w equiv) bc they come in a 4 pack for 10 bucks, 42's are 10 bucks ea.

i'm on a shitty budget:(

thanks knowm,

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

When your on a budget you have to do what you have to do. How long untill you get the rest of the lights up? Hows your outside girl doing since the new changes and how are the cuttings doing?
SO your a little country girl.
adieu

[brookerosebud]

hopefully will have the rest of the lights in place tomorrow. i'm doing a reverse light schedule, light at night, dark during day. this is so temps stay moderated 24/7. we use a wood burner so, its generally cold in my room at night and warm during the day. lights inside flower box kept temps at 73 last night. day temps were 72. (72 dark, 73 light)

outside plant is doing good, didn't have to use the soap. bugs are gone bud are plentiful. i think i'll call this one sage. tomorrow i'll count the buds. i would gess about 50 heads! (super lst)

as for the cuttings...
the first four from the out door plant have rooted and are (yep:)) vegging now. blueberry clones are hanging in there, 6 out of 8 are really good, 2 from plant 2 are kinda iffy but they aren't dead yet. i'd have to say rootone is deffinately a benificial. still misting like crazy, and it realy helps.

will flowers stay on the clones the whole veg, and will they flower while in veg? i don't think they will but the 4 from outdoor have a bud at the top. it would be cool if it stayed there!

n e way, that is the that, and i'll have more for you guys in a little while.

love, brooke:P

[BlueBear]

The flowers will stay there, but the bud may hinder some of the rooting process IMO. It may just be fine, when they are on the top, I just wate untill they are rooted, get a few nodes and then top them.
Light cycle thing is smart, I do the same thing, also so if the meater man comes to check the meeter it isn't moving a little too fast for his taiste.
Well keep it up Country.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

The flowers will stay there, but the bud may hinder some of the rooting process IMO. It may just be fine, when they are on the top, I just wate untill they are rooted, get a few nodes and then top them.
Light cycle thing is smart, I do the same thing, also so if the meater man comes to check the meeter it isn't moving a little too fast for his taiste.
Well keep it up Country.
Adieu

for the meter reader. that is an excellent idea. i hadn't even considered it (the power people will not come in my yard. i have a very big ,very mean german shepherd dog. they use a remote control to get the reading(super high tech)

as for the buds slowing the rooting... all four of these are now rooted and deff vegging. the other eight, well, i THINK, that a few of these are rooted now. some have changed color a little(darker red, green) but stems are stiff, leaves are not terribly wilted (thanx to misting) and for the most part doing well. looks like i might have 100% success!

ok, bear, i saw on another thread that you go total dark for 24 hours. my four have had 1 12 hour dark period, lights are on now, going off in an hour and 15 min. should i keep lights off for 24 hours today? should i just stick to 12-12?

and what should i pot my clones in, how long should i let them veg?

and to knowm, it might take me 2 weeks to get 16 of the big cfl's (10 bucks ea.) until then would 12 23 w (100w equivalent) and 4 48" flo's work?

thanx guys, love ya!

love, brooke:p

ps. this is for jerry:D

"TOPPING
Some marijuana growers will take a pair of clippers to the top of their plant just above the last branch formation during the third or fourth week of vegetative growth. The top is removed by shearing it away at the stem. What happens next is that the main stem splits off in two or more directions, creating a V-shape at the top of your plant. The end result after flowering is two or more top colas instead of one. Now, two top colas instead of one does sound appealing and some growers have even managed to force a plant to grow more than six top colas using this method. Unfortunately this topping method of pruning doesn't always lead to better results.:(

Depending on the strain and the growing environment, the 'topped' plant may produce two small top colas instead of two big ones. Also, each strain has a threshold for bud production that cannot be improved upon because it is a genetically predetermined factor. On the other hand, some plants when fully grown without topping do not reach their threshold. The strain Blueberry is a good example of this. If you grow Blueberry without topping you won't achieve maximum bud production from that plant, but if you top the Blueberry, you will. Other strains aren't so flexible and the two top colas will simply share the same volume of bud that a single cola would have produced on the same strain."

[brookerosebud]

lights just turned off again, bear, i need to know about the long dark period, is it too late? if so, oh well. they'll still do their thing at 12-12. hope to get the full setup to day. if so i'll let you know, and might even can borrow a cam today.

talk to you guys later!

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

I would just do the darkness next time around, because I am not sure if it will stress your plants. Better to be safe than sorry.
You have put in so much effort around hear , we need to scrape up some money and get you a 400w HPS, LOL.
Adieu

[BlueBear]

I wouldn't worry about the 24 hours of darkness, it may be just a hippy tail. I know many folks who do it, but it is not a big thing, some go right to 12-12 and say that it makes no difference.
Good growing.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

i'll leave them on 12-12, and i gess this thread should be called brookes grow log, lol. sorry but you guys are the only ones i can talk to about this stuff (i keep a very low profile)

i have some ideas for lights, gotta go check prices. i'll let you know about my set up when i get done. should be this evening.

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Hi dear,

The lights you have will work fine.. JUST keep them as close as you can.. this is KEY!! You should be able to keep them less than 1 inch from your foliage without any burning.. and you should surround your plants with the lights.. not just on top but along the sides..

picture me..

iloveyou : )

[Garden Knowm]

Is that you in the AV?

[brookerosebud]

ok, went to lowes today, spent 110$ (ouch)

i now have sixteen 23w cfl's and 4 40w flo' tubes. tube lights are canopy cover, 8 cfls are canopy cover, 8 cfls on the sides. i think this should be enough light. however i've had to move the lights farther away from the plants bc of burns (fan and growth) only a few leaves though, no biggie.

tomorrow evening i will clone the other four for future porjects and throw the rest into flower. i'll kill off all but one male clone and use it for seed production. from each plant, i've taken 2 clones, one for flower, and one for a mom. i hope every thing goes alright.

how soon do you think i'll see flowers?

outside plant is booming blooming. i swear the buds get bigger at night than they do during the day.

ne way, this is where i am now, maybe by the time i've harvested and smoked it all i'll be able to get a camera. lol. i wish you guys could see these things. i'm so proud of the little tikes!

talk to ya later!

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

sweet.. and the AV picture?

lol

[brookerosebud]

dats me.

[emmpey]

hmmmm,
I might change my Avatar to a hot chick, seems to encourage lots of responses. Eh chaps?
;)

[BlueBear]

Don't know my visionn is to bad to tell if she is a hot chick. I just like her, she is committed to her plants and made me laugh in a thread she posted in Life Style and Experiences I am a sucker for a good story.
How are the plants Brook? Also, depending on the strain, you should start seeing flowers anywhere from 2 to 3 or even sometimes 4 weeks from cutting if rooting nicely. I have some 3 week old clones that were topped at about 2 weeks and they are showing flowers where they were topped. They were a gift to me, unfortunatly I don't have the room for them, but yeh, 3 weeks on them for flowers.
Adieu
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

i think yer hot as is, emmpey, i love beards!:thumbsup: :D

[brookerosebud]

hi bear!

outdoor babe (sage) is stretching out big time, excellent bud developement, you wouldn't believe even if you saw pics! indoor plants are great also, i'm going to flower off the other four in a day or two, might even wait a week from the first four. first 4 clones are doing good, all have roots, but are vegging very slowly. the other eight clones are kinda limp and weak looking, but i was gone all day and my brother was gone, so they didn't get misted all day. i think they will perk back up, except maybe one thats been on the downhill for a couple of days. it seems the blueberrys are taking longer to root that the bagseed clones.

bugs are back on sage. it is too late in the evening for me to spray the soap, but i'll hit them tomorrow morning or evening. i just don't want the soap to sit on them and not dry off.

ne way, i'll soon post my training, topping experiments, as well as branch growth results. it seems that if your goal is many many branches, go straight lst. if you want 4 or 8 plants on one rootball, top. top at 2 nodes and then lst? oh. my. god. these two are beasts!!! hope they are female!

ok, i got to go wait for the lights to turn on, take care of watering, pampering and intsalling the rest of the lights. (hey, i got tired. Electrical work is no joke!) don't know if i said b4, but i now have 16 23w cfl's (1600lum) and 4 48'' 40w bulbs (3400lum) don't know the total right off, but it is a lot of light!!!

lowes had 70w hps fix's with a bulb for 10.99!!!! i thought i had hit jackpot, but, alas! SOLD OUT!!! man, that sucks:(

thats where i am now.
be back in a few!

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Sounds good young lady, except about the buggers comming back to seak shelter on the flowering princess of the wild outdoor. Those 70W HPS bulbs can get pretty hot, you may want to ask around and get some feed back on how others like them, some have said that they just didn't think that the heat that they put out was worth it.
I have also hurd that those Blue B's can be a little finiky so I am not surprised that they are having a tuffer time than the bag seed.
Well, it's all work and all good, so just keep doing what your doing.
Adieu

[HighSeekerz]

Im no expert, but very mild liquid soap usually drives them off. VERY MILD. But Im just a novice...

[Garden Knowm]

Who took that picture of you? And can you ask them to take some pictures of your plants.... And some more of you : )

[emmpey]

Brooke: Alas, that's me in the front - do you like wool too? do ya? do ya? eh? eh? :)

Garden Knowm: Have you tried a cold shower? It works for me everytime. I heard some people use potassium nitrate, but I prefer the non-chemical cures for over-active labido. ;)

[Garden Knowm]

Lol. Emmpy... Stop projecting

Ilove you

Brooke, I was re readong the posts ... Becareful with giving the bug plant a warm enviroment... Bugs love room temperatue and above. They especially like to hump and proliferate in warm enviroments.

Your clones that are rooted can be flowered at any time. Yes anytime. But you will probably want to grow/veg them a little bit so that you can get more clones.

Iloveyou

[brookerosebud]

you know what they say emm, big things come in small packages. lol.
to high seeker, i'm using a product call safer's insecticidal soap. (old guy friend of mine said it was developed exclusively for canabis.?.) i will be experimenting with this product, but, as luck would have it, it is raining today. have to try this evening, or tomorrow.

thanx knowm, inside night temps for outdoor are around 50-57 degrees, not to terribly warm but i see your point; if it stops raining, i'll try the soap.

with the clones from out door, i'd like to watch them do their change, so i know what i'm doing with my blueberrys.

to bear, i've heard the same about difficulties cloning bb. do you have any other thechniques or advice that could help me get these off the ground (ha! i made a funny!)? i'm still misting, they're still kicking. looking overall better today, but not much. just keep spraying and praying?

and also, i was going to get the 70w hps's, but they were sold out. i now have 16 cfl's and 4 48" flo's in the flower room, 2 48" flo's and 6 cfl's in the veg/clone room. still wiring up the cfl's for the flower box so i can put the other four plants in there, i WILL be done tonite, so i'll be collecting 8 more clones (2 from each of the last 4 bbs) and putting bb's 2 3 4 and 5 in the flower box.

question???
i read somewhere about a month ago that using flower ferts 3 days after changing lights will "make them WANT to bloom".

is this true or myth?

thanx everbody! b back soon!

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Generally your plants are still switching over from the veg cycle to the flower for about the first 7 to 10 days after the light swich and starting the bloom or flower nutes is best started around that point. Some give a large first dose , while others give a mild first, I think that it depends on what kind of nutes your using.
Also, me and many others flush our plants when switching over light cycles, but I am not sure how necessary this is if you just rooted the little ones and threw them right into flower, but with the bigger gals that you grew out from seed I would think about flushing them at some point. What is your soil mix? did you use nutes during veg? These can make a differense.
I wouldn't stress too much, my father and law, is something else, he uses MG nutes, never flushes, uses a 400w HPS the hole grow and can pull 3 OZ each on about 4 to 6 plants every harvest, so even though I do things differently, these plants are pretty hardy, but I like to take my knowledge and take care of these girls the best I can.
Well, morning to you and have a good day.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

thanx bear,

i'm not going to flower off the clones until they veg out to maybe 12 inches tall? i cloned 2 of each so when i kill off the males, and male clones, i'll have two each of the females; one for flower and on for a mom. if i end up with more than three females, i'll pick the best to make moms. i only have the room for three mother plants so...

as far as the nutes, i'll take your advice and flush lightly tonite (they were flushed decently just b4 switching over) and wait until the 11th day of flower to give phosphorous based nutes. have you ever heard of a product called super bloom (aka to feed and seed, super phosphorous)? it is like 10 55 8 or something. supposed to make flowers "explode" with growth. don't know but i might try it on two of the bagseed clones if no one has tried this stuff (yeh, i'm a sucker for scientific experimentation!) thank you much, bear. you've helped tremendously.

i am going to clone the other four this evening. i have the pots set up out in the rain to get nice and soaked (free ph balanced water! lol) should i follow rootone directions again or would you have me try something different this time?

and to knowm, sorry but this pic is almost 2 years old, and the only one saved on the computer. sorry :P

b back soon, guys

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

With the cloneing, I would do what worked for you the first time. With the Super Bloom, I have herd good things about it, I will try to get some more info, and se if we can dial it in for you, or it may just be as simple as following the directions off of the bottle.
Adieu

[emmpey]

i've heard the same about difficulties cloning bb. do you have any other thechniques or advice that could help me get these off the ground

Big fan of this method, check out the thread - lot's of people who couldn't clone are now happy cloners :)

http://icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=10225

[brookerosebud]

excellent idea! next clones will deffinately be something like this!
thanx emmpey!

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

cloned plants 2,3,4, and 5 got them back in the veg box in a dark corner (well, shadowed corner i gess) i'm going to see if they do better in a cooler, doarker environment. i topped one that had not been topped and accidently got a clone and two mini clones! new branches with only 2 leaves and no nodes to bury, but they were cut directly from the node....

will be interesting to see if the mini's make it.

as to a previous question of yours bear, i'm cloning in bacto potting soil (starter soil) i just read a thread about a clone box built for under 10$ i'll try that one next time.

talk atcha later!
love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

bear, i turned off cfl's over first eight clones, figured i've been cooking them (and i have) they are kinda yellowish green. still misting, but i don't know. they aren't dead yet. new eight in the shade look excellent right now. no wilting, discolour, ...

let me know what you think bear... you too knowm, i had lights low on them as you said. rooted clones are doing great but the blueberrys... like i said, at least their not dead.

help guys, is it too late for the burned out clones?

love brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Clones that are not rooted need very very little light. One 42 watt cfl is enough for 20 clones. You can keep the light 6 inches or more from your rootless babies. Once they root, you should lower the light. I apologize for not being more clear earlier.

Iloveyou

[BlueBear]

I was just going to say the same thing as GK about the low light need for unrooted clones. Clones can be very hardy and I wouldn't give up on them yet.
I had one clone that I abused beyond belief and she is holding on, and looks like she is going to be a mother for me.
I just took about 15 clones last night, and they are doing pretty good so far, but I am sure I am going to play the worried parent act for the next few days.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

i've remedied the light prob. clones are looking kinda worse for wear, but they have picked up a little in the last few hours. if they don't make it, i'll take more clones; plants have been in flower 4days.

i'm almost finished with the new lights for the flower box. lights are hung through the cieling of the box, now i have to wire them to the main lines. the way i have the cfl's placed insures that not one square inch will be unlighted. it looks impressive even without the lights being on!

i'll be back and forth tonite, so i'll let you guys know when everything is finished. i have until 7:30 tomorrow to finish the box (and then the lights go off)

love, brooke

ps i have mixed up safer's to spray on outdoor but it is still raining, i'll have to wait until in the morning. buds are starting to get heavy. i'll also have to feed tomorrow as she has been extremely and thoroughly flushed.

have you found anything about super bloom, bear? i'm going to get some the next time i go into town. i've some roses that would like it regardless.

be back soon

[brookerosebud]

arrrrr!!!!! ran out of electrical tape! still have 4 lights left to go. oh well, it'll just have to wait for tomorrow. i'm putting the other four plants in the box in a few minutes, i'll fix the rest of the lights when they come on tomorrow evening.

love, brooke

ps its like the sun in there! IM BLIND, IM BLIND! lol
good night

[brookerosebud]

morning guys,

clones are still wilted, but looking better. flower box got to 85 degrees last night. gonna have to try and figure that one out.

well, gotta go; talk to you later

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Had a big problem in my garden last night and haven't had a chance to research the bloom nutes, I know folks use it, but I am not sure what kind of amounts they use it in, and how often, I guess just start off in small doeses and go from there.

I had to cut down a hole crop last night because of a hermy that we caught a little too late a few weeks back. I think about 60% or more of this crop is seeded. To bad, even being three weeks early each plant weighed on average 125 G's wet. Well att least this seems to be a good producing strain and I have 15 more rooting right now. Well, have to clean up from the last crop, dry and wash down the area really good.
Just got to charge it to the game and learn from the situation, or at least try.

Adieu

[brookerosebud]

so sorry, bear. i'd be depressed as well.

first eght bb's are still pretty sick looking, new eight look like growing plants; no wilting, discolour...

four bagseed clones are realy growing now, and i think some of the burned ones have rooted. (2 have yellow tips, kind of like slight nute burn) i'll keep them in the shad for a while and see if they get their colour back.

outdoor had a flock of angels arrive today... LADY BUGS! thousands of lady bugs are all over the house/yard. there is about a hundred on the plant!

gotta go to work now,

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Wow, nice about the lady bugs. At Home Depot they carry jugs of vitaman B in the garden area, this may help with root development if you can't afford any Super Thrive. It may help with those BB's, perhaps GK can give some input on if it would help in his opinion, because I know your on a budget and you don't want to be picking up things that you don't absolutly need. Well, keep up the work.
Adieu

[Garden Knowm]

sorry to hear about your seeds BEAR..

:(

[brookerosebud]

i saw a product called "root builder" when i was there last time. would that work? also, the burnt clones are getting their color back now. looking lots better! i gave a gentle tug to the stem and none of them budged, i have to asume that this means they now have some sort of root developement; i think i'll leave these in the shade for a few more days, though and let them recover.

new clones are doing excellent! they look like plants grown from seed! no wilting or anything. misting, misting, misting.

four clones from outdoor are vegging realy well now, i may flower off 3 of them now; hey knowm, bear...if you put a 4 inch clone into flower, how much do you think you would yeild? 15g or so?

my next trip to lowes, i'll get some super bloom (super phosphorous) and some root builder, if you guys think it'll help.

tops of all eight bb's (new nodes) are doing the zigzag now, so i'm hoping to see first flowers within a few days. i still have one section of lights to wire, i ran out of tape, and was unable to get any today.

i'll also have to figure out a cool air intake for the flowerbox; those 16 23w cfl's heat it up in there quite a bit. (80ish?)

what strain were you growing bear? i'm glad you have some rooted; you can rebuild from there. sorry again, i hope the best for you!

g'nite guys!

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

hey knowm, bear...if you put a 4 inch clone into flower, how much do you think you would yeild? 15g or so?





Hi Brooke,

If you flower a rooted clone with 4 nodes, you an get 3+ ounces.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=48343&highlight=week+healthy+plant


If you are flowering a clone that is just barley rooted with 2 nodes and you are going to leave it in the rockwool (no transplanting).. you should get 7-10 grams per plant..

who took that picture of you?

cheers

[BlueBear]

Well, after separating things and examining the damage, it doesn't seem as bad as first thought, just wanted to cut it down before the seed production went any further. I think that we are going to save the majority of it, except for on one plant a Big BudxSkunk 1 is so premature that I am not sure weather or not to give it to the local gas attendant as a free gift or cure it and smoke it as my emergency stash.
Well later GK and good morning Brook.
Oh GK, I am going to need to clean my area out because of the pollen and I am wondering how intensely I should go about it. Any suggestions?
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

pic was taken by gay stoner freind a coulple years ago.

the 8 burnt clones are looking much better, i tug tested them and all are firmly stuck. should i give them some cool blue, or shade them for a few more days?

four clones from outdoor have rooted well in potting soil (quart sized pot) each with about 4-7 nodes. i'd like to leave them in these pots if possible, and was just wondering what to expect.

how soon can you clone a clone?

new 8 bb clones are beautiful! they are in the shade and show no signs of discomfort whatsoever.

8 original bb's are in flower box, all have at least 5 nodes alternating (zigzag)
waiting to see some kind of flower developement.

bear, i'm glad it wasn't so bad for you as you thought. that news brought tears to MY eyes.

any advice on root builder?

thanx guys!


love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Well, the strains are Alpha 13, whitch is an Bib Bud x Skunk 1 and a shorter strain named Biggie Small from DR. C. Well, I think you can move those BB's back into the light, just maybe keep them about 6 in away for a day and see how they do. You can clone a clone when it has a branch with a sight developing on the branch, but the best way if you wanted the plant that you are working with to still be able to produce in that area is to wait for a branch with at least one or two internodes that way when you take the clone there is still an internode left on the branch. Some grow internodes quicker than others.
People use those Quart size pots in SOG applications, it is a tight fit, but it can work, but a bigger size has the potential for a few more grams on the end result.
GK, you need to do a step by step tutorial on how to get 3OZ on 4 in rooted clones and it will be the most traffic thread around here, LOL.
Brook, thanks for the sympathy it helps. Oh, the rooting stuff, I think that it is something to have on hand, I have never herd of it, but I may Google it in a minute, but some garden supplies are just so geographically based that unless things are from one of the bigger companies, allot of people have never herd of it, but their are plenty of people around here doing amazing grows with products that I don't know anything about, and probably couldn't even get in my state. I think that a rooting product is always something to add to the tool bag though, hope this helps some.
Adieu

[JEFFAR420]

thanks again bear, so far i've followed the directions on the bottle, the first 4 are a week old today, and they still look alive, however, the other two have wilted bad. i took the top off, (gatorade bottle cut for green house) they seem to have picked up a little, but we'll see. i'm rooting in potting soil.

3 23w cfl's about two feet above. just took two clones from three more plants(brings me to 12 clones) right now i'm trying to learn this cloning thing. the way i see it, out of my 8 plants, maybe 3 are female, destroy the male clones. that'll leave six females, 3 moms 3 for flower.

then...the sog...is on....!

i realy appreciate your help bear. if i'm doing anything wrong, please correct me.

geez this response is scattered! sorry, need some sleep:o

love, brooke:p

If you have taken these clones from a female, then ALL of them will be female thats the great thing about cloning. Unless you stress them to the point of turning into a guy.

[brookerosebud]

hi jeff, those 8 are from seed. i took clones the day i put them into flower. when i see signs of sex, i will destroy the males, and the clones from the males (except maybe one for seed cultivation)

so we'll see.

thanks for input bear, i'll get some of that too.

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

dear bear, i will put a few of the recovering clones under the light as to your advice, however, a few still look pretty bad, so i'll leave them in shade another day or so. new clones are doing great. 4 outdoor clones are growing by leaps and bounds now. tallest of those is 7 inches. seed plants are doing a little bit of stretching; do you think this might be because of the change in spectrum? i've read in several threads that when switched from mh to hps, the plants stretched a few inches.

out door plant got an undeserved flushing today. it rained like the great flood of the holy bible! when i got home, she was almost drooped to the ground from water weight. its the dark cycle now, though, so i won't be able to check for damage until tomorrow.

still haven't been to the store, so no new products yet.

ne way, hope to hear from you guys soon!

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Hey young lady. Yes, plants do tend to stretch a little more when under HPS spectrum lights. Just keep a close eye on those recovering clones.
Hope you don't run into any mold on the out door project.
So, on to another topic, what kind of music do you play? Can I hear this anywhere? It would be nice. I love music like you wouldn't believe.
Adieu

[Garden Knowm]

Hey Bear.. : )
A room I just visited had pollen issues.. The guy (from www.rollitup.org)told me that he sprayed the room down with Hydrogen Peroxide.

FYI - That stuff (H2o2) will STAIN things..

My other suggestion would be a 10% bleach/water mixture and wipe the room down..

Of course, this may not be neccessary... but I would be extreme myself and wipe the room down... not worth the risk... : )



BROOKE - I want to talk about a winter in Key West...

Where the fuck did Jeff show up from ? LOL

iloveyou

[BlueBear]

Key West? GK your my hero, I could never figure out how to be that settle with the women. LOL Brook, you should take him up on his offer, then you can get all of his secrets and share them with me. LOL
You guys are the best, love U's
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

burnt clones are still kicking, three have yellow tips on the leaves now. i was told by ex bf "when the tips turn yalla, yer good. they got them roots."

does yellow tips mean the clones have rooted? i gess it would make sense as the starter soil i'm using has very mild amounts of root toner and starter ferts.

plants in the flower box are stretching a little, but nothing too dramatic.

took two of these and put them about eight inches from the light (close as i could with the other four in the way) as per your request bear. i'll see how they are after work this evening.

still misting like crazy.

new 8 clones look realy good, got a little bit of wilting going on, but nothing like the first 8. 4 outdoor clones are shootin up like weeds.

outdoor girl is ok. a little dirty in one spot but no ral damage. she'll prob bounce back full force today. i had to tie up one of her branches that sagged too low with the rain.

to the knowm;

you want to spend a winter with lil ol me? how sweet!

unfortunately, i would have to decline; my brother has emphysema and lives with me full time so i can try to help/take care of him. of course, he won't have me waiting on him and does all kinds of things that are detremental to his health, but the temps and humidity in fl is the reason we aren't there now.

but, i think it would be a romantic winter adventure!

thanx guys, gotta go to town, be back in a little while.

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

LOL you guys are funny... Although I did not mean to insinuate that we go to Key West together.. I would be more than willing to accomodate you as a travel companion : ) Can you play frisbee?

I figured that since you live in NC you may have been to Key West. I want to go there for a month or more this winter and frolic on the beach...

Brooke, when are you going to post pictues of your ladies.. You really need to show us your CREW.. : ) ..

Maybe your "gay stoner friend" can take his eyes off you for a moment and snap a pic of the plants.. LOL

iloveyou

[austin.799396]

what's the best way to germinate seads?

[brookerosebud]

to austin first, i'll give you my technique, i have had an excellent success rate, but other go a slightly different route, so if you don't like my way, try another.

first, place 2 paper towels on a plate, and wet them down. place seeds on towels about 1 1/2 inch apart, cover with one paper towel. drain excess moisture.

put plate on top of your refridgerator, wait 24 hours and check, as the towels dry the seeds will pop. if towels dry completly, moisten again, wait 24 hours etc.

once seeds have popped, take tweezers, grab the seed by the husk (don't you crack that shell yet!!!) and place into soil with root tip facing down. seed husk should be flush with the top of the soil.

in 2 days, you should notice the shell sticking out of the soil on a little stem. take tweezers, GENTLY, GENTLY, GENTLY crack the husk if needed and pull of the seed shell. now your plant is germed and started.

get back to me and let me know how this works for you austin, any more posers i'll be glad to answer if i can. if not, seek out bluebear and garden knowm, my mentors and instructors.

to the knowm, key west is awesome (as long as you don't mind the public, lol) don't remember to much about my trip there though. most of my floridian memories lie in venice;) lots and lots and lots of frisbee. and many other things too.

to knowm and bear, i got some green light super bloom and green light rootbuilder.

when should i use root builder? one week after clones have rooted? two weeks?

when should i use the super bloom? wait until flowers show, or fert them now? this one is important, plants get watered tonite, so i need to know as soon as possible. otherwise i'll just water and wait 4 more days.

burnt clones are doing well now, they've gotten their colour back.
new clones are just so perdy!
4 rooted clones are like the governator of california, ah-nold. pahmped ahhp!

have to check on out door girl, i got home after dark.

well, see ya later!

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

just read my last post. geez. i have GOT to get more of that stuff.

as for pics, my camera.... is dead. i killed it. the frickin thing wouldn't work. i couldn't get any info out of it even after hours of chinese torture. so.
i.
killed it.

ne way my sweet gk, since key west is out... how bout alaska?

hey guys, let me know about my new chems. k?

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Yes I can do Alaska also.. .. but we should wait for summer.. right?

I saw this picture on the web and I thought you would appreciate it.. AND I know BEAR is smiling....:D :D


Venice? Venice FLORIDA?

iloveyou

[CaliJay]

That pic is too funny... Thanks for the thread all. I like threads with lots of info like this one. I even found out Florida is not the place for people with respiratory issues. :0)

Take care all -Jay

[brookerosebud]

lunchtime at the zoo!! and yeah, gk, venice flo.

so, how bout them ferts? going to use superbloom on outdoor at half strength this morning.

what about the root builder? wil this help the burnt clones? or kill them?

well, gotta go to work, guys
see ya later

love, brooke


ps, friend gave me a gram of i don't know what last night.
damn!
good stuff!

[BlueBear]

Hey Brook, was off line almost all day yesterday so I couldn't get back to you. Alaska? That is my neck of the woods, so feel free to venture the last frontier just bring some papers and dress warm, that go's for you too GK. Maybe we could get a couple rooms at the ski resort or get a cabin out yonder with a couple snow machines, rumm, rumm, vroom, vroom!! If in the summer, we could still do the cabin, maybe on a lake with Jet skis or just some good old fashion fishing and toking.
Well on the root bottle, what kind of application does it recommend? Off the top I would say start using at about 10 days in small doses and see how they respond, if they show no negative signs above ground they are probably doing just fine under the soil. With the super bloom, if you are at least 7 to 10 days into flower I would hit them with it. Until you are familiar with the product, I would start off in small doses. What kind of soil mix do you use? I cut my soil with about 50 % perlite so I can water almost every other day, my plants seem to like the frequent watering and the aeration. My pots are at a moisture level of a 1 or 2 out of 8 when I water, but if cut with vermiculite I could probably go 3 or 4 days without watering, augh just rambling now.
Talk too you 2's later. Brook you never said what kind of music you play. Also, sorry to hear about your bro, hope he is doing all right now and can keep kicking for many years to come. My grandpa has it as well.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

going from back to front, hi bear!

my brother is ok, he's as hard as his own head, lol. we just have to take care of him so he WILL be around for years to come. (he doesn't like it though, especially when i won't let him do things he wants to do, or let him outside in the humidity) damn hard head!

as for music, i play all sorts, but mostly, well i don't really know. new age? i only play my own originals, so i gess it doesn't really fall under a category. hmmmm. immagine sarah mclaughlin and evanessance, mix that up with some g+r, ac-dc, led for the head and other classic artists, and you'll be pretty close. like new age classic rock with a soft side.

for soil, i experimented. half of seed plants are in miracle grow soil, the others are grown in bacto. i hate bacto. after 4 weeks, its like a brick, and it won't dry out. it is alway wet, which makes it hard to know when they need water. the miracle grow stuff work great, drys out fast, but has time released fertilizer in it. so you never know if it still has ferts in it when switching to flower. i used super bloom this morning on out door girl at half strength, and wow! i didn't know they could grow that fast! all nodes that did not have buds this morning have got em' now! and the ones that were there (swear to god) are twice the size they were this morning, from popcorn to a thumb!

the root stuff i'll have to get back to you on. the bottle is out in the car and i am being so extremely lazy right now it's redicculous! i know that its made for transplants.

and as for alaska, i realy, realy, REALY want to go there, my brother has, he has pics that are so incredible.... its just not fair.
however, we have talked about going some time next summer. it'd be great to have someone local show us around. and i LOVE fishing (skiing too, but my skis have only ever been on water, lol (it doesn't snow/freeze here too often))

ne way, if it works out, it works out. i know i'd love it (look, a cute little teddy! "grawr!!!") sightseeing mother natures landscape paintings is at the very top of my hobby list.

thanx for the input bear, i'll have more details for you in a little while. prob about 8 or 9 to nite.

where are you today, gk?

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

its a girl! its a girl! one is deff a female! 5 others show signs of female, but its still too soon to tell. going to hit with super bloom tonite.

out door is a friggin bush! brought her in for the last time today. going to use cfl's from now on, she's too big to take in and out n e more without damaging her beautiful fruit.

put one of four out door clones in flower box today, 8 inches, 9 nodes.
other three i'm considering scrog. all three, one screen, veg for about 2 weeks.

clones from blueberry 1,2,7,8 (burnt clones) were put under veg light today as a last chance effort. still yellowish, but out of eight, i think four will live. (2 from #1, 0 from #2, 1 from #7, and 1 from #8.

clones from 3,4,5, and 6 are a pretty green, but one is starting to bend over. others look fine. 2 clones from each plant.

later i'll post a detailed report of each individual blueberry plant from seed (training, nute schedule, and current description.

1, 2, 3, show little nubs that i believe to be female flowers.
4 hasn't showed any.
5 has deffinate female flowers up and down the plant.
6 hasn't showed.
7 has same nubs as 1, 2, 3
8 shows none.

going to hit with a light mixed drink (super bloom) tonite.
its gettin excitin' now, boys!!!

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Hello...

HOW CAN YOU NOT SHOW US A PICTURE..

"freaging bush" I wanna see this beauty!!!

iloveyou


set your brother free : )

[brookerosebud]

oh, oh, my dear gk,

i soooo want to show you pics of all of our babies. (yep thats right, you and blue are the daddies! my knights in shining armour) especially outdoor. this one had a rough time, started about 9 months ago. after coming near death several times due to temps, bug and spider mite infestations, and wierd forces of nature, we put her out side as a last effort and kinda forgot about her for two or three weeks (beginning of the blueberry gro). now, this plant that looked so ugly and sick (it was actually growing across the floor instead of verticle) is showing me things i did not think possible. first i tied branches to stretch it out and hold it up, when we first put it outside. now the strings have been cut and the plant fills a cubic meter!

yeh, i wish i had some pics too! if nothing else, after harvest, i'll put aside a few grams to trade for a cam, or sell them so i can buy one.

sorry, but that kinda the way the cookie crumbles, ya know?

maybe i can find a polaroid or something.

ne way, where is blue bear today?

oh, and i have 2 stupid questions and reasons for asking them;

1) why is it that people say miracle gro is bad? i've always used miracle gro, at least for veg, and i have excellent results. 4 week old plants look like 8 week old plants kind of thing. used 24 8 16 for vegging these blueberrys. i was using 15 30 15 for out door, until i got the superbloom. i know that some types of mg have extra additives in them. i do not use these; i get the kind that can be used on vegetables.

2) why is ABSOLUTE darkness necessary? out in nature, almost no plant gets absolute darkness. there's the moon, the stars, reflection off the atmospere. and the other reason i ask, is that out door girl has been outside almost every night until now (except for the cold ones) and when the sun goes down, an hps night light comes on about 30 feet from her. shes growing like hell though. so what with total darkness?

sorry for asking these q's, but if i knew the anwer, i wouldn't ask.

n e way...
talk to you guys tomorrow!

~love, brooke~

[emmpey]

Hi Brooke,

Darkenss initiates the flowering due to the presence of a hormone that breaks down when subject to light (you probably know that). After 12 hours darkness the level of the hormone is enough to tell the plant to flower.

"Absolute" darkness is not necessary - I guess people say that just to make sure - frequent bright light interruption during flower can cause hermies if the plant has started flowering, or prevent flowering starting if it's not already doing so.

What is important is that there is enough darkenss on enough of the plant for 12 hours to ensure the level of this hormone is high enough. You can actually flower individual branches on a plant if you want to by just making sure that those branches are kept dark for 12 hours.

Once flowering has started low levels of light, or short exposure of bright light (less than a couple of mins) will be tolerated in my experience.

WIth regard to the moon, don't forget it's only full for a few days a month, so it won't have any real affect on flowering in the wild. Wavelength of light is also important for the breakdown of the hormone - you can shine green light ok on your plants during the dark period. Stars are way too dim - like Brad Pitt, Madonna etc.

MG is cool, I used to use it until I found some super cheap stuff. Lets face it if you spend shitloads of cash on the 'best' nutes, your gonna want to feel good about it so you disrespect those that ain't expensive. N-P-K is N-P-K, it just cames in more fancy bottles I guess. The stuff I use now is £5 ($10) a kilo, has all the micro nutrients and lasts for ages.

Ta Ta for now, -MP.

[brookerosebud]

out door girl is now an indoor girl, not sure on time left, gotta check the log. i'd have to say like 2 maybe 3 weeks to harvest. put 6 cfls in her new room today.

she is isolated, in the basement, so no chances of contamination to the bb's.

thanx emmpey, i kinda was thinking along those lines. lol on badd pritt. (i hate that fucker)

see yall tonite,

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

Hi Brooke..

The biggest prblem with MG is their soil.. Reason being is this.. It usually has a PH of 4.5 - 5.5.. this makes it very difficult for ganja plants to get(absorb) the proper nutrients.. even when you water with 7.0 water...

Although, it is very possible to have a succesful grow using MG soil..it requires dumb luck or water PH adjustments to 8.0...


The MG nutrients on the other hand are fine...

iloveyou

[BlueBear]

Good morning little princess. Your Night is reporting for duty, LOL. Well, sounds like you are doing ok, and your questions are getting answered in an orderly fashon.
I do not prefer MG because I like to have more control over my soil than it will allow and those time release fertalisers kind of have a mind of their own, alot of the elaments are released according to tempetures and not according to the needs of the plant, so climate has more control than me and that's not what I want. The MG is bassed on the Spring, summer and fall temps and when growing in doors we arn't running our temps in the same way. Don't trip though, my pa and law uses it religiously and pulls off a QP a plant and that is with a 400w MH the whole grow.
You may see that out door gal start to really kick into production now that she is on a controled light cycle.
Well, hope all is well today. You have any of your music to listen to online? I didn't forget.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

to knowm, you just solved a true mystery for me. i was using the mg soil about half and hafl with two plants, and about 3/4 mg soil and 1/4 bacto, and the ones in 3/4 mg were the best growing, most beautiful. however, my water ph is around 7.5 to 7.8, which the plants have liked even more than when watered with 6.5 ph water. i gess that solves it then. true case of beginner's dumb luck, lol.

as for my teddy bear, (lol)
i have flushed lightly and regularly because of the time released ferts. they are pretty much dissolved away now. i've learned to be able to see their needs. hard to explain, but when one looks sad, i give it nutes and it perks right back up. when one looks tired, i water, when one looks sick, no water or ferts for at least a day (prob analysis period).

out door is becoming a truly amazing spectacle. tonite, i'll count the buds, but i'd gess about 70 to 100, and yes, this is ONE plant we're talking about. and she LOVE'S super bloom!

i'll give you guys an update tonite on the blueberrys.

as for my music, sadly no, there are none of my tracks on the world wide web. i don't have the money for the equipment i need to record, balance, mix, or upload. but they will be someday, "hey, hey, I wanna be a Rock Star"nickleback

well thanx for the responses, boys. i hope some of you will be online later tonite.

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

hey, can n e 1 show me a pic of male preflowers? i think there is one with balls in the flowerbox, so i'd like to find out asap. i've done a search, but i need to see undeveloped male flowers. thanx

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

ok, found a half way decent pic (it still sucked) of male preflower. i know what male flowers look like, i just wanted a confirmation on the balls. i did find a good written description, and one of my bb's fits the profile (clusters at the nodes instead of one bulb).

all the rest are either not showing, or have one little ball on each node from bottom to the top of the plant.

one with clusters has the clusters at the top 3 nodes of the plant.

i'll check back in 1 hour, and if there are no responses, this one is goin to the hogs (here piggy, piggy, piggy!)

i hope you guys are online right now, but if not, thats ok.

all clones survived and are vegging now. thank you gk and bluebear. i couldn't have done it without you.

no more females (confirmed females, anyway) to report yet. but the one has even more pistils tonite.

gotta go, my bro is talking to me and i cant do two conversations at once.

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

I am around here little lady. I would say that it fits the description of a mail, and would bag it before you have any problems. Remember I just lost 6 girls to polanation, but have 15 almost ready to go under the 1K, so wish me luck.
You know that we have extreamly low humitity here in Alaska in the winter, wonder how it would work out for your bro.
I'll check back here before I get off tonight.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

ok, i changed my mind. i would very much like to harvest some pollen (without contaminating my females) and use it on my next gro to harvest some seeds. when do i harvest the flowers, and how do i store them? how long can you store pollen?

is there any way to only pollenate one bud?

finally, will this plant survive if i put it outside? it has been on a reverse light cycle, so it would get an innitial 24 hours of light.

since it is a male there is no harm in stressing him, is there? heh, i get to torture a man!~breaks out the whips and chains~

well, good night bear, GK

love, brooke

[brookerosebud]

wow, i was typing while you posted bear. i'll wait for your response.

love, ~little princess~

lol

[BlueBear]

You could throw it out side, or you could set up a small area for it with 1 CFL on it. You can pollinate just one part of your plant. Once you have some pollen , which you could simply store in a zip lock in the fridge, you can take a paint brush and pollinate the part of the female plant, 1 flower site, or a whole branch. Some will cover that pollinated branch with a bag, or plastic rap for a few days so not to pollinate any neighboring branches.
I will look into the best time to take pollen and will try to find out how long you can store poline. It is for a fairly long time, but I want to give you a more informed answer. GK will know right off the top, so I will check back and see if he nails it.
Adieu Little Princess, or should I say Cannabis Queen? LOL

[brookerosebud]

1 cfl? he's quite a hunk, about 2 1/2 feet tall and 2 feet wide. i am so very greatful that the heavens have blessed me with such a caring and protective guardian. thank you, my valiant knight in shining armour.~curtsy~

g'nite bear, see you in the morning,

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Oh, your so charming. Remind me to send you a dozen roses for the holiday season. Takes off his hat and makes a sweeping bow as he kisses her hand.
Yes, I think that 1 CFL will do, but of coarse 2 will be better. At this point you are just looking for the sacks to rypen and it doesn't take a lot for that to happen.
Well good night, and sweet dreams.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

~yawn~ mornin guys.

i've got the male in a sepparate room under 1 lamp. do i still have to go 12 12 or will it continue to flower under 24/7, and how long will it take for them (the male flowers) to ripen?

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

I would keep it under 12-12 and it should be ready in about 2 weeks give or take a few days IMO.
Have a good day.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

umm...

i kinda don't have the abillity to keep this one on 12-12, and it has so far had about 36 hours of light. will it flower anyway?

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Some will still burst their sacks under 18-6 or 24, so just keep watching, it just may take a little longer.
Adieu

[brookerosebud]

thanx bear, rigth now he's just got small balls.

love brooke

ps, what happened to gk?

[hemlockstones]

hi grookerosebud, enjoying your thread. Just starting a grow and the info here is great.

[hemlockstones]

sorry, meant brookerosebud. Can't type today!
:stoned:

[brookerosebud]

hi hemlock, what r u growing? for how long?

love, brooke

where's my cavalry? bear, gk? is there n e body out there???

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

I thought you'd never show up. LOL
Hope all is well with the flock.
Adieu

[hemlockstones]

hi hemlock, what r u growing? for how long?

love, brooke

Just some bag seed, first time (in a verrry longgg time) buying cfl's and seeting up closet now. Germinating for 2 days. We shall see what happens. Looking at seed suppliers now to prepare for next time.

[brookerosebud]

hiya bear! i got grrrrrreat!!! news for you guys!!!~wink~

downstairs, i was tending to the needs of Sage (outdoor) and losing count of the buds several times (no, not high, there's just so damn many!) and thinking, 'oh you look so beautiful, i just can't wait to see you all grown up'. i stood up and got an angled view, and for bagseed, i have to say this is the most hightimes worthy plant i've ever seen! somebody PLEASE send me a camera!!
only worry i have for her is the lack of trichs.?. but then again, bagseed ya know?

went into the flowerbox after putting sage to bed and did my "morning inspection". i think that so far, one female and one male has been confirmed. well gess what.

i got the looking glass, and did a thorough inspec, and confirmed 3 more females!!!!! YEAH BABY!! that makes a 50 50 ratio so far. plant 8 was growing into the flo fixture, so i bent HER all the way down to the floor (main branch) so she just went from 3 feet tall to 1 foot. she has so much more light now, i know she'll love it.

haven't checked hercules yet. but i will, and i'll be back!

love, brooke

ps, bagseed of mine kicks some serious sativa ass!! so "just bagseed" is not necessarily a bad thing.;)

[brookerosebud]

pps. bear, you were so right. sage loves cfl's and controlled times and complete darkness, and, and, and......

love, brooke:p

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Brooke. Fog, TheGreen here. Just stopping in to say HI! Enjoyed looking through your thread. Been keeping up with it. Looking good! Hope you've stopped by my thread to give it a gander. If not, and you have the time, stop by and look at my buds :D, maybe drop me a comment and/or a vote! Thanks!

Good job, pretty lady (if that is really you in your avatar, of course) ;)

TGF

P.S. Congrats on your SEX verifications!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[brookerosebud]

hi fog, did some meandering around your thread, enjoyed the pics. glad you liked things here. and thanx .

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Hey, a little too late, seems like you may be tucked in for the night on your side of the world, but I am glad that your girl is loving your CFL's and TLC.
Seems like the boys are struck with your looks, better watch out, or you may have a fan club on your hand before you know it. LOL Just don't forget me and GK when you become famous.
Love ya little lady.
Adieu

[Garden Knowm]

and the fan club grows..iloveyou...

: )

[brookerosebud]

hi guys!! new updates for exclusive brooke fan club members (l o l)


checked out hercules' massive organs today ~blushes~ still no true flowers, have you guys found n e thing reliable on isolated pollenation? it's looking like that will be happening in the next few days.

herc is back on 24/7 (my brother's room, under a night stand w cfl)

earlier i counted... well, TRIED to count buds on sage, the farthest i got was 64, tried to switch branches and lost count, but i was only about halfway around.

all clones are vegging, or at least seem to be. out of the new clones, two look kinda weak (bent over a little, but stem is still strong, so...) but all are still kickin. so i have at this moment in the grand theme of the elaborate occurance of the motion of time as it corresponds to the equivalent of reality, 17 confirmed female plants (1 sage, 4 sage clones, 4 blueberrys, 8 blueberry clones).

i have a feeling that the other three blueberrys are fem too, but won't call them "confirmed" until i see those two little hairs. that would bring the total to 26 female plants!

badap bop bop ba, mc donald's... i'm lovin it.

well guys, fell asleep in front of the fire, woke up here at 3am, now i shall be retiring for the evening proper. farethewell, my knights of the canabis code... may you slumber with true rest and rejuvenation. prithee see you in the great morrow.

love, brooke

and bear, you know you and gk are my battallion comanders, shall you not lead the army of brooke in the great canabis crusades? the future of the kanabis kingdom is at stake!!

lol, g'nite gus ~hugs and kisses~

[brookerosebud]

gk, please help with the isolated pollenation (i want seeds, just not 17 plants worth)

thanx babe,

love, brooke

[emmpey]

Hidehi Brooke,

I think you'll be able to tell when the pollen is released because you will see it on the leaves - a fine yellowish powder (like cheap heroin - LOL). To collect some just get a large bag (clear plastic is best so you can see what you've got), place a branch inside and give it a good shake.

As bear said, to pollinate females, just get an artists paintbrush and make like a bee :) giving the pistiles a litle tickle. You can do individual branches or a whole plant.

Pollen can remain active for many years - just like seeds, obviously it depends on environmentals - keep it dry and cool and away from light and it will last at least a year.

TTFN, -MP.

[BuddyLove]

are you gona try and cross pollanate your 2 strains ?

[TheGreenFog]

hi fog, did some meandering around your thread, enjoyed the pics. glad you liked things here. and thanx .

love, brooke

Yea...I like the thread...all except for the lack of pictures. :( I sure do hope you can get a camera somewhere soon. :thumbsup:

Glad u like my pics.

Keep up the good work.

TGF

P.S. I had considered keeping a male or so to harvest pollen and then be able to pollinate just one branch or so for seed...but ended up running out of room for my females even! :eek: So I have no males...just 27 pretty ladies. :D:D:D

[BlueBear]

The Moro has cometh and my far maiden is still among us in all of her splendor cultivating her majestic garden of sacred herb with the light and magical touch of a wood nymph or a fairy princess.
I hope that are homage is not lost on your royal countenance as you continue to blossom in your fame and glory , for your nights will for ever be at your charge ready to protect, roll and spark fat duby's that will for ever cloud the horizon with mystical smoke for all the land to inhale, LOL.
Well as usual you are getting some answers and doing good. Glad to hear about all of the confirmed girls. I will be checking back around here later to make sure there is no offence given to my Lady, and to make sure your still HAPPY.
Adieu

[emmpey]

For sooth, for what harkens yonder? the rattle of a shiny ardour per chance? I must make haste, for the maiden's virture is in peril.

Fear not fair one. I, with my trusty cohort will see that your ladies get fertilised. A man knows no joy like the fecundity of a flower in bloom. Ooooh yeah baby!

:)

[brookerosebud]

to buddy, oh yeh. going to call it super sage if it works out.

to mp, thank you so much, i wonder when he'll flower out?

to the fog, i wish someone could email me pics of my plants (lol) i wish i had a cam.

and to emmpey once more, if my squadron of knights doest so declare it so, i dub the sir emmp, cavalry of the canabis crusaders.

love ya, guys.

ill have and update later.

love, brooke

and to my darling bear, hither, honorable one. what tidings have you my loyal and fearless guardian. i do prithee thoust does shine in the glorious light of the 120v heavens.

[brookerosebud]

i've sooooo been wronged. knights! avenge me! bear arms and drive the villianous wet bud sellers into oblivion!!!

no, seriously, i just got a bag that feels like it was chopped today. grrrrr, so aggravating!! now i have to dry/cure it myself, and probly lose half the weight! supposedly he'll make up my loss after it is cured (he knows me, knows i'll pitch a serious fit, and i am his best customer) but i may have to whoop up on some home dawg ass, ya know?

otherwise, it is some pretty stuff. vaped some in a light bulb, and after 4 hits i'd have to say, it does seem promising. i'm glad the harvests are coming off now guys, but to all those who might even play with the slightest idea of chopping and selling wet, DON'T DO IT!!!! be patient, we want it as bad as you want to sell it, but do us a favor and make sure WE CAN SMOKE WHEN WE GET HOME!!!!

sorry guys, had to get that off my chest. ummmm.... nothing to report realy, root built all the rooters, going to feed all the bb's, fed sage this morning. can't wait til she comes off!

ne way, i'm gonna go chill with my babies, at least i don't mind THEM being green and moist. lol

love, brooke

[BlueBear]

Oh my Lady the day has been fraught with perils and mis adventures but your loyal night cometh forth with wounds of victory and a reef of ganja to adorn my Lady's fair brow. Though my shield has been tarnished in a battle a far, my gratitude is unscathed and I will from hence forth vow to avenge my mistress and slay the villainess viper that delivered a sack of the wet and wild into your bosom of innocents and virtue.
Oh little lady, the day has indeed been long and hard, but that is life. Glad that your garden is functioning the way it is supposed to. How is the big guy dealing with puberty? Are the two sickly clones pulling threw?
I am doing so much around here to set up a new room and get the material to build, another light, hood, fans, oder control, stealth and find the best prices on every thing and make sure that my girls aren't getting to confused in the midst of the little hurricane taking place in my humble abode.
PS, my lady may appoint another night according to her far reaching wisdom, though my loins burn with a fierce fire of jealous loyalty. May thy intentions be honorable and your loyalty be sure.
PPS, now that you are more active in your in door hobby, you may consider taking your personal photo off your AV to make your self a little more safe in the long run, but this is just my two cents, perhaps I am over cautious.
Adieu my fair maiden

[TheGreenFog]

i've sooooo been wronged. knights! avenge me! bear arms and drive the villianous wet bud sellers into oblivion!!!

no, seriously, i just got a bag that feels like it was chopped today. grrrrr, so aggravating!! now i have to dry/cure it myself, and probly lose half the weight! supposedly he'll make up my loss after it is cured (he knows me, knows i'll pitch a serious fit, and i am his best customer) but i may have to whoop up on some home dawg ass, ya know?sorry guys, had to get that off my chest. ummmm.... nothing to report realy, root built all the rooters, going to feed all the bb's, fed sage this morning. can't wait til she comes off!

That sucks. Happened to me recently too. Actually twice! :mad: Seems like these guys are getting anxious to sell it so they sell it wet. But I'll tell you one thing...it has definitely made me shy away from buying from them. NOT a good business practice. Oh, well. Look on the bright side, now you get to dry it and cure it "the right way" so you know its gonna taste awesome. Thats what I did. :D:D

TGF

[brookerosebud]

hi bear, i shall reward your couragous acts and fearless bravery with a blessing from the green goddess. thank you loyal kinight.

hercules is still at the confused teenager state (doesnt' know what to do with it yet, lol) but i'm still waiting for him to hit full blown puberty.

all of my clones are doing absolutely fantastic!! i hit them with root builder last night, and WOW what a difference! they are realy starting to veg now!
no more fems to confirm at this moment. but then again, no more males either.

hope your new additions work out well bear. and for me, i'll soon be changing my screen name/avatar. don't worry, i'll find my knights, and lead them back into the glory of the light. (yeh i've been getting more and more paranoid every day, i HATE sirens/ambulances!!) so look for a newbie that's not.:)

for fog and bear, i have succesfully dried out one bowl (put a small bud on top of the ventilation fan) and will give the go in a few mins.

well, i gotta go take care of the babies, take care knights,

love, brooke

[hemlockstones]

seems like a good plan, with the avatar and all, please find us fair lady!:thumbsup:

[brookerosebud]

to my strong and devoted cavalry of the canabis crusades, this shall be my last address to the humble people of pot smoke.

i just realized that i am not actually a person, but an entity composed of electricity. due to this, i have been drifting in and out of different persons concious thoughts on a regular basis. i appologize, humans, i shall no longer posess those of the body, and i leave brooke to her life as it was before i encompassed her. she shall have no recollection of anything that has transpired on this website, as she was not herself at the time. she has never grown, nor has she smoked canabis, and doesn't even have comprehension of the slang used in her own tongue. this being rectified, i leave you mortals to your humble lives, i have learned much about your kind, and sincerely appologize for interfering.

sincerely yours,

entity of celestial energy.




wow were am i? what is this website? what!?!? drugs!?!? i'm outta here!!!

love, brooke

[Garden Knowm]

WOW..... iloveyou.. you are LOVE

NAVIGATOR
POWER OF NOW

[BlueBear]

It was all a dream? I knew that it was too good to be true, but never the less, the memory of the drifting entity rapped in a veil of magisterial beauty of another world will be in my dreams, waking thoughts and solemn musings as long as I live.
I will miss you. and cherish your memory for ever more.
"Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December,
And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor.
Eagerly I wished the morrow; -- vainly I had sought to borrow
From my books surcease of sorrow -- sorrow for the lost Brook--
For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Brook--
Nameless here for evermore."
Modified verse from The Raven.
Adieu

[emmpey]

toodle pip then.

[Garden Knowm]

POOF??

that's it...

??

I was so close...

Now I know how "she" feels..

: )

[kindprincess]

gk, i love you, babe...

[Garden Knowm]

Hi princess,

I may be a bit slow responding over the next few days , I am just about to board a plane to manchester... Maybe my blackberry will still work in the uk and I can still check the site...

Lovelovelove

[harris7]

this is what i have used it's non toxic so i feel safe smoking it
brooke you didn't mention the method of cloning you used. I would like to know more.

did you do it in soil? if so how did you measure the root growth.
and how long did it take. do you use any tricks to speed rooting?
thanks

[brookerosebud]

hi harris, here's my helped technique for cloning...

used bacto starter soil. cut from tops of plants, 45degree cut, cut off leaves from nodes, COMPLETELY COAT ALL OF THE TO BE BURRIED STALK WITH ROOTONE(nodes and up to a quarter inch above soil line), and place in a hole in the soil. close out air pockets (pack soil around stalk) and mist 2,3,4,5 etc. times a day... i don't use a humdome. i open air them.

clones from bagseed rooted and were revegging in 1 week:D , bb's (which are a bitch to root...) took about 2-3weeks.:)

it is important to keep clones in the shade... otherwise they will get all yellow, and slowly die...:(

bluebear and gardenknome helped me tremendously, and have ample info on this thread.

if there is n e thing else i can help you with, let me know...

love, brooke:p

ps, the grow is going fantastic, for what i have to work from...

love ya gk, you too bear!!


ALSO... greenlight's root builder is an excellent tool!

[kindprincess]

thought i'd recycle this one...

love, kp :p

[Garden Knowm]

what happened to Brook?

[brookerosebud]

oh, she just got lazy, knowm...lol:) hello to all, shall we reopen the rootone thread?

love, brooke:p

[kindprincess]

hi brooke, how goes things in your parts?

hi knowm...everybody:)

love, kp:p

[BlueBear]

I never knew a split personality could be so attractive. LOL
Adieu

[JEFFAR420]

WOW..... iloveyou.. you are LOVE

NAVIGATOR
POWER OF NOW

Have you read the book, The Power of Now? Its pretty intense..

Ahoy hoy All!

[kindprincess]

split persona's are the shizzle, for rizzle, my darling bear!:)
hi jeff!

love, kp:p

[brookerosebud]

yeah, i love peeps with more than one personality, makes life interesting:)

love, brooke:p

[Garden Knowm]

Have you read the book, The Power of Now? Its pretty intense..

Ahoy hoy All!


THE CDs are very nice :D :D :D

[kindprincess]

rootone rocks, by the way...

love, kp:p

[Garden Knowm]

I second that!!!

[brookerosebud]

gk, help! doing a controlled pollenation, just pollenated a clone, when can i put back in the flower box with everybody else? please hurry....

love, brooke:p

[Garden Knowm]

dip in water... blow dry...

post picture..

iloveyou

[Garden Knowm]

what happened? follow up please.... yikes

lovelovelove

[kindprincess]

hey babe, i'd like to know about the dipping in the water...

could you please elaborate?

loveyoutoobabe;)

love, kp:p

[Garden Knowm]

IF your clones are in rockwool or some similar medium.. you can get a bucket of water .. pick up your clone and dip it upside down into the water (leaves first).. gently.. twirl... dirt TWILRER!!!! iloveyou.. (weird outburst)

ummmm..

SOmetimes I will get a bucket and fill it with water/soap/POISON mixture and dip clones upside down into this mixture. especially clones that come from foreign lands.. I do this to get rid of unwanted guests..

iloveyou

[kindprincess]

thanx babe, love you lots...

when r u coming to my side of the world?

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

having little luck with my new clones now. i wonder what has changed?

[kindprincess]

bumpity

[chicago_white_guy]

yeah, cause jesus smokes the very best :)

[kindprincess]

yeah, cause jesus smokes the very best :)

yep.

jesus was deffinitely a stoner:stoned:

[chicago_white_guy]

how else could he put up with all those africans? (i'm sorry guys, you know i'm playing around, i hope.... bad reference to that kramer shit)

how's the grow goin hun?

[kindprincess]

you wouldn't believe:D

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=88629

[kindprincess]

cwg, are you near gurnee? or oak park?

[chicago_white_guy]

nope. other side of town ;)

how have you been doing lately? i've missed reading your posts since i haven't been following lately... learned the basics now thanks to you and many others.

should i just start a new grow log, instead of "day 1," and update with old and new, since i am posting some WONDERFUL pics tonight?

noone loves me...

cheers

[kindprincess]

awww, sweetie, don't say that:) for a log, go with a new one.

love, kp:p

[kindprincess]

and let me know the link;)

[Duke420]

Hey beautiful people!! I've been using Olivia's for my cloning adventures and wonder if I need to make the switch to rootone? I'm a newbie so any advice is always welcome. :stoned:

[Garden Knowm]

Olivas is FINE!!

:)

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

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