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Good_Vibrations

10-07-2006, 06:48 AM

Hows things people?

Got a question regarding a rubbermaid DWC system. I got some good advice about creating one. I just wanted to run it by everyone and see if you think it will be good. 18 gal rubbermaid container, cutting two 3" holes in the lid for the net pots filled with hydroton, and having the seedling in a small rockwool cube. 1 aquarium airpump going thru a 12" airstone. Using Earth Juice nutrients and a 2 or 4' flourescent grow fixture. Energy efficiency is important to me.

I hope it is stealthy, only needing 2 plants, just so I can have enough on me at all times. Its about the quality and not the quantity. Please shoot some thoughts my way.

Respect,
G_V
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connisuer

10-07-2006, 07:09 AM

look into a 400watt(comparable to doesnt really use that much wattage) cfl with a hood, sunlight supply offers a few nice one, i got one for my seedlings and clones it came with a bulb and hood for about 150, it would be excellent for a flourescent grow your size, that is if you really wanna go flouro, you know you can run a 400watt hid setup for about $20 a month, if that isnt effecient enough for what you i dont know what is, all i know is flouros suck if i cant get grade a premo then i wont waste my time to even grow

mistyganjatree

10-08-2006, 01:16 PM

flouros have a big place in growing weed,
GROWING being the word here< they lack somewhat in flowering , but there are some good lamps out there specially desighned to grow or flower check this site out.www.agrolite.com and get a good one, the biggest there is,lol
this site may be in spanish!. if so go check it out in growshops on line!
i use them to clone and grow. i like them, but would not recomend them to flower!

welcome to the world of endless possibilities,,,,hydroponics

mellogold

10-09-2006, 02:14 AM

i run 4 big aquirium pumps in my 5g dwc bucket, the more air the better

Good_Vibrations

10-09-2006, 02:37 AM

mellogold

10-13-2006, 12:59 PM

I appreciate all the info, I took it all in and got a conclusion from everyones advice, like a clone of ya (lol). I'm thinking about flouros for the grow stage, then a 250-400 watt HPS (advice on the better choice, thinking of it costing me $10/month and running 4 12" airstones off of 2 dual output aquarium pumps. Thanks again.

Respect.
G_V

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imho i d get more air goin in t her, how bout 3 of those pumps, liek i said the more the better, and keep the actual air pump ou tsid eof your cab, so think about it, if your house is 70* you will b e pumping a shitton of 70* air into your rez keeping the rez cool..

as far as the lights....you wont notice an increase at all to te ll you the tr uth, my 1k light brought my bill up just 10 bux so imagin a 400, also dont do the 24hour light peroid some growers use and stick with 18/6 that way you wont be usi ng as much electric and it will give your plants a break....

good luck and if you have anymore ? just ask

ronjohn420

10-13-2006, 05:04 PM

i run 4 big aquirium pumps in my 5g dwc bucket, the more air the better

i agree...

i run 2-12inch stones just for a 28QT. box

thats only like 4.5 gal...

i would get a "double pump" with 2 nozzles and split them to 1 stone or just use 2 stones if you can

Good_Vibrations

10-13-2006, 10:11 PM

Righteous, righteous.

Ok so the pumps I plan on using are designed for an aquarium up to 40 gallons, So I was thinking of running two of them to four 12" airstones. I am not sure if I can fit anymore in there, but I will find out soon enough. I will make sure I have fan in the closet to keep the air fresh, but I dont think I will be able to have the pumps out of the closet (Stealth).

When it comes to the light I still haven't decided on which to go with, the 250 or 400-watt HPS. However I will have to make that decision when it come time to flower. I am kind of thinking about the 250 because of the whole heat issue, but if I am only doing two plants at a time, would this be an issue. Also regarding the number of plants will the pumps be alright or do you still suggest I get another one?

I appreciate the replies. I don't have all my materials yet, as I am waiting to found out what is the best way to do it then buying the stuff. Keep in mind I'm on budget, and a small one (College). I work at a pet store so the air pump and stones I will recieve a little discount, gnarly I know. lol. Take it easy.

Respect.
G_V

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BigWeed

10-13-2006, 10:43 PM

Id go with the 400w hps you will get more lumens than the 250 and your bill wont be very high because Im using 2 400w hps in a hydro-hut. To run two of them it just cost me 25 bucks a month now but my electric company is going up on there rates those basterds.:rasta: :pimp:

Good_Vibrations

10-14-2006, 01:34 AM

Ahh,

Ok cool, I guess I will be looking into a 400-watt HPS. Thanks for the info guys.

Respect.
G_V

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ronjohn420

10-15-2006, 05:57 AM

Righteous, righteous.

Ok so the pumps I plan on using are designed for an aquarium up to 40 gallons, So I was thinking of running two of them to four 12" airstones.*

well in my closet i have 1 - 12 inch in a 5-gal bubbler and when it gets clogged up i unhook it from from my 15gal aquarium pump and hook my 240psi compressor to it and blow air into it at about 25psi and have noticed.....

it doesnt matter (to an extent) how many stones as long as their located benieth the plant itself and you have a damn good pump hooked to it..

basically its like this.... its not the size of the fist that counts, its the power coming through it that makes the difference..

ya know..?

later:thumbsup:

Good_Vibrations

10-15-2006, 07:20 AM

mellogold

10-15-2006, 10:57 AM

Ronjon.

How does your bubbler get clogged? Is it because of the roots growing around the stone?

Peace.
G_V

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not nessasaritly you will find when you start to get a nice crop goin that build up form the nute solution and stuff will clog the pores or the stone, no big deal i just chuck mine and replace them with new ones...they only cost a buck,

also dont use the 12" stones, they make no difference to tell you the truth, jsu throw in a couple 1" ones and youll be fine, its the pump thats goin to make the difference not the stone

LiquidMagik

10-15-2006, 07:14 PM

That's a pretty large container for just two plants...Usually one 5 gallon bucket is more than enough for one plant, so I'd maybe consider getting a smaller container (maybe 10 gallon rubbermaid), or maybe growing 3-4 plants in your current setup. If you have the room to grow, might as well use it!

Good_Vibrations

10-16-2006, 02:31 AM

Mellogold & Liquidmagik.

Alright so just buy 1" air stones and forget about the 12". I just figured the larger the stone, the more air? But I guess not. I looked at the air pumps again and realized that they were for a 30-60 gallon aquarium. If I get a 10 gallon rubbermaid, or two 5 gallon buckets, would I be able to run one pump for both of them since it is a dual ouput or should I just get two pumps? I ask because of the budget I have lol.

When it comes to space I want to use as little as possible so I figured using a rubbermaid to contain two plants would conserve space. I am still keeping my options open, so I may end up not using a rubbermaid.

Thanks for keepin up with the thread.

Peace.
G_V

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Cyclonite

10-16-2006, 02:59 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7748852186&category=46312

Tell you what....I have 3 air pumps now. The third being similar to the link I posted its the only one i use. I was kinda hesitant spending that on a air pump but ill tell you what CRAZY bubbles....if you ever want to expand no problem. Its well worth it.

Good_Vibrations

10-16-2006, 05:59 AM

Wow.

That looks nothing like the one(s) that I am going to buy. There are from aquatic gardens, they make aquarium accessories. I have to make a decision soon.

Thanks again.

Peace.
G_V

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BlazeIdo

10-16-2006, 06:50 PM

Try to find those bendable wands for your rez. Hook 3-4 air pumps to two of those and the bubbles are spaced out much better. The roots will almost like swallow them and thrive. Get some Hygrozyme or sensizym, and keep your rez at about 69-70 degrees and you roots will thankyou. Also I would reccomend using a liquid karma with your 3 part micro, grow and bloom (Also Use calmag Plus if your using Reverse Osmosis water). Try to create a system with a seperate rez than what your roots will be in because air bubbles like to mess with ph readings and such, and also the more water the more stable the system will be. If you dont have a ph and tds meter get them ASAP. Make the buckets lightproof. If you can stick your head in it and see anything, Its not light proof! Roots and light do not mix. Keepthe PH between 5.5-5.9. This will be the backbone of the grow. without proper ph there is no nutrient uptake, and without nutrient uptake there is no plant. Also with nutes....LESS IS MORE. Dont use what it says on the bottle. I would cut all the instructions in half until you learn your strain and what it can hande. Study up on SCROG. It will be worth your while. Any qustions just ask. Peace and good luck. :rasta:

BlazeIdo

10-16-2006, 07:02 PM

Regarding the lighting. Flouros and your quality not quantity will not coincide. get a 400 watt Metal Halide (Blue spectrum=grow) for veg, and a 400 watt HPS (Red Spectrum=Bloom) for bloom (I would recommend eye Hortilux) . IMHO lights can not be halfassed. Good lights equal good buds and any grower will tell you the same. Stay away from the ballast mounted on the light. Also try to find an aircooled hood. You can put a 400 watt 10 inch above a plant with good air flow going through the hood no problem. If you go cheap, grow cheap....sad but so true. Peace

BlazeIdo

10-16-2006, 07:04 PM

One more thing. If growing from seed, start them with cool CFL's. This will help with the male to female ratio.

Good_Vibrations

10-17-2006, 07:40 AM

Blaze.

When you say bendable wands, are you refering to the bubblers, I may be completely lost on that part.

But thanks for all that other info.

Respect.
G_V

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Cyclonite

10-17-2006, 03:26 PM

I think he is talking about flexable "airstones". I want to give them a shot, should work really good.

Good_Vibrations

10-17-2006, 05:43 PM

Hmm.

I will have to look for those. Thanks for clearing that up.

Peace.
G_V

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BlazeIdo

10-17-2006, 07:52 PM

On ebay they have a 36" or 48" flexible bubblewand for 8.95. that would be perfect. Just coil that bitch up evenly in your container and it will create great bubbles when supplied with good air flow. Search "marineland flexible Bubble Wand". You should also be able to find them at your local petco or petsmart. Most that I have seen are only like 12 inches long which would be fine as well. Just get 2. Peace

BlazeIdo

10-17-2006, 08:10 PM

Heres exactly what you need. Even cheaper and in all sizes. these work awesome!

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=12084&cm_mmc=Shopping%20Portal-_-NexTag-_-Fish-_-Flexible%20Bubble%20Wand%20(18)&ref=3665&subref=AA&GCID=C12188x007