Japanese brace for N Korea nuke test

[Psycho4Bud]

JAPAN is braced for the possibility of a North Korean nuclear test this weekend.
"We discussed the possibility that the test would occur this weekend," Shotaro Yachi, the Foreign Ministry's top bureaucrat, said yesterday after talks with US Deputy National Security Adviser Jack Crouch.

Japan, the US, China and South Korea have been engaged in frantic diplomatic efforts to prevent North Korea's "nuclear breakout" since the Foreign Ministry in Pyongyang announced on Tuesday it would conduct a nuclear test, though at an unspecified time.

Mr Yachi's was the first official response to speculation that the North Koreans could stage their first nuclear explosion tomorrow, to mark the anniversary of dictator Kim Jong-il becoming general secretary of the Korean Workers Party, one of the posts he gradually assumed after the death of his father Kim Il-sung in 1994.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20538894-31477,00.html

Even China is concerned...............

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[Ozarks]

China has most to lose here (in the long run) and they have the most influence over NK by way of there economic aid to NK.

It continues to amaze me how badly China has misplayed its hand here. "IF" NK "tests" Japan will go nuclear, given Chinese & Japanese history China can't be happy about that.

Someday Korea will be unified, when that happens the unified Korea is going to look a lot more like SK then NK. With NK bringing nuclear weapons to the "unified Korea" China is going to have 2 pro-western nuclear countries on its door step. Then the pressure will build to give the Bomb to Taiwan which will put China and the USA in a very, very bad position.

One good thing is if China was to ever send "aid" to a "unified Korea", it wouldn't have to worry about a "unified Korea" stealing the locomotives and not returning them, like NK does.:D

[Torog]

China has most to lose here (in the long run) and they have the most influence over NK by way of there economic aid to NK.

It continues to amaze me how badly China has misplayed its hand here. "IF" NK "tests" Japan will go nuclear, given Chinese & Japanese history China can't be happy about that.

Someday Korea will be unified, when that happens the unified Korea is going to look a lot more like SK then NK. With NK bringing nuclear weapons to the "unified Korea" China is going to have 2 pro-western nuclear countries on its door step. Then the pressure will build to give the Bomb to Taiwan which will put China and the USA in a very, very bad position.

One good thing is if China was to ever send "aid" to a "unified Korea", it wouldn't have to worry about a "unified Korea" stealing the locomotives and not returning them, like NK does.:D

Howdy Ozarks,

I pretty much agree with yer assesment,however,I would like to ask you a question..well ,maybe a couple of em..lol.

Do you believe that China is being run by hard-line commies who eventually want to rule the world ?

Do you believe that the same is true of Russia ?

You see,I believe that the answers to both questions,are a loud and resounding YES.

Alot of Americans believe that with the end of the Cold War,that the threat of communism was gone..I say that it just went undergound or called it's self,by another name.

So..I was just curious as to where ya stand,on the issue of the threat that hard-line commies present to the Free World and whether or not,you feel that they're a threat. Certainly,a hard-line commie like Kim Il Jong,is a clear and present danger to SK and Japan,and if their icbm's work,a threat to us,as well.

Have a good one ...

[Ozarks]

Do you believe that China is being run by hard-line commies who eventually want to rule the world ?


Yes, however the "party" in China is dying off and has let the economic genie out of the bottle, the next generation of Chinese are going to be globalist and capitalist. the "New China" will be very nationalistic, not democratic (as we would see it) but it will not be the old Marxist government we see today. What it will end up evolving into is still unclear.


Do you believe that the same is true of Russia ?


Putin has already tried to put the genie back in the bottle, I see Russia as much likely to revert back to it's Leninist past, but the people trying to pull Russia into a open market society are holding there own and making "some" progress.

JMO

[Dazed4now]

kill korea?
allow the world to be destroyed by korea?
ill be pissed if a shitty country like korea exterminates us

[Myth1184]

S Korea is reporting that Nkorea has conducted a Nuclear Test Early Monday, More News as it comes,

[Breukelen advocaat]

CNN is now reporting that N. Korea's main news agency has claimed that a test has been successfully been completed, with no radioactive fallout.

[Ozarks]

no radioactive fallout.

I'm glad they were smart enough to dig a hole first. :D

Kim did this to get "Foley" off the "front page" and help the republicans in the mid-terms. This is all Bush's fault,Kim is obviously part of the "vast right wing conspiracy" :p

[Fengzi]

Do you believe that China is being run by hard-line commies who eventually want to rule the world ?

Do you believe that the same is true of Russia ?

You see,I believe that the answers to both questions,are a loud and resounding YES.

.

Modern China is communist only in so much as it is ruled by the Communist Party and that is just a name. There is very little about China today that resembles communism. A huge percentage of state run businesses have shut down and/or have been privatized. People are free to build what they want and to buy what they want. Old communist era cement blck building are being torn down and replaced with high price condos. Honestly, if you were to suddenly wake up in someplace like Shanghai or Beijing you would have no idea you were in a "communist" country.

The bottom line is that, about 20 years ago, the Chinese government realized
communism wasn't working. The rest of the world was rapidly advancing while they were waving their Little Red Book and growing rice. Since then they've gradually introduced market reforms that, ecomomically speaking, make them just about as capitalist as we are.

The problem for the govt there is that it has been like containing a nuclear reaction. We in the west like to complain that they are not changing fast enough when in reality they are changing at a blinding pace. The difference between China in 1976 and 2006 is like the difference between the US in 1906and 2006. Just in the last 10 years since I lived there the change has been enormous. I go back now and just shake my head because it's a totally different place. Keeping all of this under control while keeping themselves in power has been a massive challenge for the govt. So, they let the leash out bit by bit. Long enough to keep the people reasonably happy but still short enough that they can pull it in if needed.

In any case, China is definitely ruled by hard line commies intent on world domination. Why spread communism to other countries when it didn't work there? What they do want is to become a major economic, technological, and (yes) military, power. In other words, they want to become more like the USA. Don't forget, at one point in their history they were the most advanced society in the world. Why shouldn't we expect they would want to be, at least one of the most advanced, again? And, who are we to deny them that wish?

Don't know about Russia, but my gut tells me that all of the "Stans" that used to be part of the USSR, and still have nukes, are more of a threat to worldwide peace than Russia itself.

[Markass]

kill korea?
allow the world to be destroyed by korea?
ill be pissed if a shitty country like korea exterminates us

I don't think they want to destroy anybody....they were testing a bomb..If I was the leader of a country right now I'd want to definately be able to defend myself if I needed to...George Bush felt the need to attack Iraq without provocation from them, why wouldn't he do it to any other country?

[Psycho4Bud]

Among the members of the Six Party talks, reaction to the bold move by Pyongyang was particularly sharp:

â?¢ Russian President Vladimir Putin said "enormous damage has been done to the process of non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in the world."

â?¢ China, the North's closest ally, said that Beijing "resolutely opposes" the North Korean nuclear test and hopes Pyongyang will return to disarmament talks.

â?¢ Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, in Seoul for a summit meeting, said the region will be entering "a new, dangerous nuclear age" and North Korea "will be held responsible for the situation it has created."

â?¢ South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun said the test would make it difficult for Seoul to maintain its engagement policy with its communist neighbor.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-10-09-nkorea-mainbar_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA

I wonder how China is going to react to this kind of bitch slap? They supply N. Korea with power, funding, etc........ They requested that N.Korea refrain from this.

LOL....the least of N. Koreas worries at the present is the U.S. and the evil G.W..

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

[mrdevious]

Well thank god America has its people protected by tying up their forces in Iraq.

[Torog]

Modern China is communist only in so much as it is ruled by the Communist Party and that is just a name. There is very little about China today that resembles communism. A huge percentage of state run businesses have shut down and/or have been privatized. People are free to build what they want and to buy what they want. Old communist era cement blck building are being torn down and replaced with high price condos. Honestly, if you were to suddenly wake up in someplace like Shanghai or Beijing you would have no idea you were in a "communist" country.

The bottom line is that, about 20 years ago, the Chinese government realized
communism wasn't working. The rest of the world was rapidly advancing while they were waving their Little Red Book and growing rice. Since then they've gradually introduced market reforms that, ecomomically speaking, make them just about as capitalist as we are.

The problem for the govt there is that it has been like containing a nuclear reaction. We in the west like to complain that they are not changing fast enough when in reality they are changing at a blinding pace. The difference between China in 1976 and 2006 is like the difference between the US in 1906and 2006. Just in the last 10 years since I lived there the change has been enormous. I go back now and just shake my head because it's a totally different place. Keeping all of this under control while keeping themselves in power has been a massive challenge for the govt. So, they let the leash out bit by bit. Long enough to keep the people reasonably happy but still short enough that they can pull it in if needed.

In any case, China is definitely ruled by hard line commies intent on world domination. Why spread communism to other countries when it didn't work there? What they do want is to become a major economic, technological, and (yes) military, power. In other words, they want to become more like the USA. Don't forget, at one point in their history they were the most advanced society in the world. Why shouldn't we expect they would want to be, at least one of the most advanced, again? And, who are we to deny them that wish?

Don't know about Russia, but my gut tells me that all of the "Stans" that used to be part of the USSR, and still have nukes, are more of a threat to worldwide peace than Russia itself.

Howdy Fengzi,

Thanx so much for yer insightful,informed and considered reply.:)

I do believe that the Chinese people,can contribute much to the world,certainly,they already have,in many ways.

The nagging question becomes,will the hard-liner commie leadership there,be more power-hungry or materialistic ? Both are common human failings,I hope that they choose the latter,as it would mean that they won't want to plunge the world into a nuclear winter,that they will hope to survive from and emerge as brutal dictators.

You may be right about Russia,but the fact remains,that Russia is continueing to build advanced nuclear missiles and weaponery,designed to defeat the US. The nuclear weapons that the Stan's have,are less advanced and their reliability may be a factor as well.

Have a good one !