A revolutionary.

[Ganj]

Greetings, cannabis.com users. I've come back to you in this time of need with a request...obviously.

My english class is asking of me to write an essay of the three most influential people of the twentieth or twenty-first centuries. I'm looking for something a bit more than just influence, though. Fergie from the Black-eyed Peas influences little girls to parade around shaking their humps, while not taking a stand for whatever it is she's trying to promote. She's being used by the system and doesn't even know it.

I want a revolutionary. Someone who has not only influenced society greatly, but has actually led them with guidance and understanding to a revolution of society or simply a revolution of the mind. I hope this is clear to you all. So I ask of you to list here in this thread people who you think are best suited to be qualified as "influential" based on my standards of the term.

[MaryJaneintheCloset]

I know this may sound gay, but what about Oprah Winfrey? She has an almost cult following...

[royalHIGHness]

i had an assignment like dat......i wrote about ANDY WARHOL and his influence on art...(he started the whole pop art movement and contemporary art has not looked the same since)...........also
SALVADOR DALI ran the surrealist art movement and did some crazy revolutionary art work....
any artist you pick will probly be interesting paper to write bc most artist are crazy... i think that goes hand in hand with being very creative....

[DannyMan]

If you don't know who Fela Kuti is, check him out!

[napolitana869]

Emiliano Zapata

[Oneironaut]

Mahatma Gandhi, Che Guevara and Martin Luther King Jr come to mind.

[Dutch Masta]

If you want to be on the ballsy side, I'd say Jack Here :thumbsup:

[Ganj]

Great suggestions! I think royalHighness brought about a more interesting point of view. It'd be easy for me to write about someone that has great personal influence. For instance, I presume royalHighness enjoys art or is perhaps an artist, so there's people of grandeur who've influenced art as a whole and have given him something to think about. Me on the other hand have no talent, but rather a desire to be an influential leader myself. Hmm...I have a stylish idea for my essay. Keep 'em coming in, guys (and girls).

[Nochowderforyou]

John Lennon, Bob Marley as well.

Bands like Rage Against the Machine, like guitar player Tom Morello. They were very political in their music and weren't shy from being as blunt as possible.

The Pope perhaps...? The one that died recently. He had a huge impact on the religious community.

[HypnotizedMind]

Bob marley son.

[hempilation311]

If you don't know who Fela Kuti is, check him out!

i thought i was the only one who knew about this guy. Was it south africa that he revolutionized through his music or some other african country? His music is amazing

[RedLocks]

Che Guevara, Marcus Garvey, Haile Selassie, Nelson Mandela, ohh and the planters peanut guy :stoned:

[JR77]

How about Martin Luther King???

[napolitana869]

or martin luther.

[Oneironaut]

Oh yeah, don't forget Aung San Suu Kyu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aung_San_Suu_Kyi).

[Nochowderforyou]

Malcom X

[Oneironaut]

George Orwell

[friendowl]

LOUIS FARRAKAN

osama bin laden

joe morgan[leader of the mexican mafia]

[Ganj]

i thought i was the only one who knew about this guy. Was it south africa that he revolutionized through his music or some other african country? His music is amazing


Whoa! Hold on a minute. He literally revolutionized a country with his music? Any credible resources you all can point me to?

[Its a Plant]

Jim Morrison. 'Nuf said.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Moe Howard, Shemp Howard, and Larry Fine.

[Frivolous248]

...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ummm, theres lots of ideas in this thread, just pick one.

Maybe Bill Gates/Steve Jobs. I suggest watching the movie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" it shows how they are responsible for the personal computer. A pretty big invention if you ask me. They made a big impact in the world.

[Ganj]

There are plenty of ideas. I have to write about three people and I'm a little uncertain how I want to approach the essay. I could easily jot down some mindless essay that's standard to a teacher's expectations in apathetic students, but obviously that's not me. I had the thought of using Britney Spears. She's influential, but in a more superficial way opposed to the likes of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I'm not educated enough on these great men and women who've revolutionized the way societies thinks as a majority. It's sad, I know. These superficial influences are observable, but the great ones--one must delve into their minds. Understand them and believe in them.

[Ganj]

There are many great ideas here. And I thank you all.

[Its a Plant]

Haha, well if you were even considering writing about Britney Spears, you're better off just spewing out some nonsense off the top of your head about MLK or JFK. Seriously, come on. She's just another moron leading the slaves down the path of conformity and all that is against revolution and free thought.

If jotting down 'some mindless essay' isn't you, DO NOT use that barbie doll. Open some doors with your words. Of course, that might not be you. From the sounds of things, it isn't. Good luck though.

"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves!" - - Jim Morrison ~

[Ganj]

Interesting quote, Billionfold. I had a thought very similar to that idea: Our souls are suspended at the heavenly gates until we find what is missing to continue our path into divinity; as Gods with God.

[Ganj]

Haha, well if you were even considering writing about Britney Spears, you're better off just spewing out some nonsense off the top of your head about MLK or JFK. Seriously, come on. She's just another moron leading the slaves down the path of conformity and all that is against revolution and free thought.

If jotting down 'some mindless essay' isn't you, DO NOT use that barbie doll. Open some doors with your words. Of course, that might not be you. From the sounds of things, it isn't. Good luck though.

"You're all a bunch of fucking slaves!" - - Jim Morrison ~


I totally agree, man. We should all find the doors in our mind, instead of being consumed by this mental slavery. I suppose agony is the only way to bring light to this profound concept of being "eternal". I'm not very articulated on the matter myself. Perhaps it's something you're inclined to share? Or maybe you'll just conform to Morrison's technique and attack society with their insecurities?

[Ganj]

I must admit, however, that I have not had the most easy endeavor into the 'the other side'...it's been a dark one. One that if I shared with you would probably turn into a therapy session. Haha.

[Its a Plant]

Lol, I never mentioned anything about conforming to his ideals or way of life. I used that quote because (1) I like it, and (2) the topic reminded me of it. Plus him yelling that to a crowd of people is just funny.

But seriously, Britney Spears? :p

edit - - sometimes writing down your thoughts/experiences sheds new light on the subject. I'm sure you've done this though. If you haven't I suggest you do, especially if you're struggling with enlightenment.

[Ganj]

Lol, I never mentioned anything about conforming to his ideals or way of life. I used that quote because (1) I like it, and (2) the topic reminded me of it. Plus him yelling that to a crowd of people is just funny.

But seriously, Britney Spears? :p

edit - - sometimes writing down your thoughts/experiences sheds new light on the subject. I'm sure you've done this though. If you haven't I suggest you do, especially if you're struggling with enlightenment.

Ahh (sigh of relief), observe this soul who's graced me with his kind words. Although if it had not of been for the cruel ones before we might not have had this connection. I've found a website that epitomizes this revolution of mind (that phrase has grown on me recently). I get stuck, man. Somewhere between thought that I cannot let go of and enlightenment, yet when I feel my foot in the door it is slammed shut and I pummel deep into the fiery chasm from whence I came.

I have this horrible habit of over-analyzing things (like most of society). I've come to the agreement that I'm indeed afraid to let go of thought, as if I'm losing something when I do. Even though I realize that all I'm losing is the restraint the thought presents itself with such great influence that it's almost impossible to avoid. And again, I'm thrown into the vast universe of the mind.

That song by Jim Morrison, The Universal Mind. Would thought be what he was trying to capture with that song? You can see, now as can I when I fall back into thought.

Here's the website: http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/questmagazine/janfeb02/johnson/index.html

P.S. Surely you still have difficulties remaining enlightened. I have friends who think they've reached this stage of enlightenment, yet when I'm around them they fall back into the realms of thought. Upon arrival they persecute me for having sent them there. What gives, man?

[Ganj]

I suppose what I'm most interested is my affect on other people who feel they've reached this enlightenment. It's as if I'm being used almost. Friends or those I used to call that have now taken me in as a tool for their own desire of enlightenment and yet they think that I stand idly by with no clue whatsoever. I must say that I probably wouldn't have reached this knowledge without help, of course. Eventually the sensations I experienced with these people in particular would prosper from imaginary to reality. And I may or may not have grasped the concept, alas I must not dwell on the help I've received and not let pride have it's best of me. I've discovered for myself. And yet, it still the question still remains: why?

Why let me stand by with no information? No guidance. While surely they've had guidance from another and the perpetual cycle continues, so on and so forth. As I would insist on sharing with another who's reached near enlightenment, yet the refused. And even in times of need they've misdirected me. A tool for their own selfish desires. I was nothing but a test of their limits for them.

[Its a Plant]

Your pain is evident in your words, that much I can detect. What I don't understand is why you seem to feel so cheated for helping others understand their existence. You should in fact take away some sort of pride for assisting others along their own personal journey. True, we are but one as we travel, yet the wholeness one feels is a combination of other souls you have met along the way. You take some of them with you, to add to your own collective thought. A melting pot for the soul, if you will. The beauty of enlightenment is that when some form of it hits you, you feel a sense of completion, for the fact that you alone arrived at such a state of nirvana. Yet at the same time, you are brought together by those that guided you along the way, in one way or another. Feelings of isolation do not pertain to your mind any longer. You should revel in the fact that you are a part of another's spirtual journey, and that on a deep level, you are connected. A few of my friends have indeed experienced this, while others merely push away any sort of deep thought to run around and have a good time. I surely don't loath or dispise those that wish to look the other way, but instead urge for that connection.

I too have a habit of over-analyzing things, but I don't necessarily view this as a bad thing. Thought never hurt anyone now did it? From what you described, it sounds like you might be struggling to grasp tight to this feeling of enlightenment, when in truth, enlightenment grasps you. This feeling is nothing like being suffocated, but subconsciously, you know it's there. I took from your description that this state of enlightenment is only within arm's reach, yet still it seems like a mile away. Worry not, and don't let your flurry of thoughts beat you up about something that needs to come almost naturally.

For me, enlightenment is more of a subtly within my mind. At times, yes, I struggle to remain in some form of this state, which can most likely be attributed to factors in my personal life. Sometimes stressful or painful moments I experience yank me from my world of content, but I have experienced enough with my mind to know that the feeling itself does not vanquish. And more times than others, I feel a stronger sense of this enlightenment, most often after I've ingested a few drops of the universe*. But after a few very intense experiences, I now know that I am in complete control of my mind, that nothing can shake the nirvana lodged deep within my soul. I think that deep thought and enlightenment are constantly interchanging, but the root is still there, grounded. It's like building on a sturdy base, one brick at a time.

Sorry if my words seem confusing or downright insane, but it's hard to put into words a feeling like this. I do enjoy reading about your journey though, as I hope a bit of mine helped you. My travels are far from over though. Rather than fight it, I am both a passenger and the conductor on this trip. Floating until I find what is right, what is true, and what matters most. Don't let my bitterness from my past posts fool you; I was wrong to lash out at nothing. My apologies. Cheers to you. ~

[Ganj]

You'd be happy to know that absolutely nothing you said was incoherent. Infact what you mentioned about pride struck many a chord. My pride has pushed me into a realm of greed, yet I feel as though I'd sacrifice my own enlightenment for the sake of another along the journey. And you're absolutely correct on thought. It has indeed been deep, agonizing thought that has influenced this enlightenment.

The idea lingers deep within my mind still. Pride fucks with me over and over again. Pride leads to doubts and I spiral down again. I can accept this concept with pride that I'm contributing to another's revolution of mind or enlightenment. I take it on (this is like an oath lol). Yet, there's been a disconnection. One that I have difficulty reattaching. And now I'm the one urging for that connection. Maybe of one that has been gone astray? Or perhaps it is me that has gone astray?

You say 'don't let a flurry of thoughts beat me up', yet this reconnection is not coming naturally. So much pain has nearly desensitized me to the ones who I am bonded with (I hope my words fill you in). It's like I'm deaf, dumb and blind to those who hold a connection with me, but yet I urge for that feeling. Not of enlightenment perse, but the love that once bonded us closely together. I crave to feel that way about my friends once again. Still confused, I am. How can there be love for me and I not share it back?

[Its a Plant]

Pride does seem to be blocking your path now doesn't it? Maybe pride was the wrong word to use when it comes to affecting others and their journeys, but perhaps a word more like "satisfaction" would suffice?

As cliché as it sounds, you and those that you wish to reconnect with really should all experience a *trip* together (hopefully you understand its meaning here, as I don't want this thread closed for saying the wrong thing). What's wonderful about tripping is that you experience loss of ego--of this pride that haunts your mind. It lets you simply be; to live with one another without all of the worldly distractions that might be a contributing factor to your sense of pride. And the overwhelming feeling of love is sure to follow. It will come because now your pride will seem SO very insignificant to you at the time, and hopefully from then on, and allow you to reconnect with those that love you. Let love be the path that guides you, as they say. I only suggest that you experience a trip because the pain you suffer from sounds a little too overwhelming to just try and put aside. It needs to be stripped away, and the right trip will do this for you.

I also understand about your yearning for reconnection of past friends and perhaps soulmates that have just gone their own seperate way. I'm still dealing with that to some degree, but I guess a small sense of hope lies within, pushing me to never let go. To let go is to loose sight of those that love you, as you mentioned. Perhaps you haven't seen these friends in quite some time? This could also lead to a false-sense of a disintegrating love. It could even be that as soon as you see this person after a long absense, the feeling will come rushing back. I know I have friends like that, whom I dearly look forward to seeing soon. All we have to do is look at each other, square in the eye, and it's like we were never apart--a love never lost. I also might suggest that your deep desire to experience this feeling might be hindering the opportunity for it to actually consume you. Forcing something like this surely cannot be good for the soul, but rather destructive from the symptoms you describe.

Do not fret, my wandering spiritual warrior. This is why they call it a journey; a quest. If you didn't learn anything from this, there would be no point in experiencing it. Learn well from this, and you will come out all the wiser, ready to love and be loved. Don't worry, either, because you are loved. ~

[Ganj]

And this learning part is the personal endeavor. The things I should write down and put into perspective. I understand these concepts clearly, yet fear that I'm not learning from what I've experienced, though I'm sure my mind will surely store it.

[Its a Plant]

I have always been a fan of writing down any thought or idea that has been on my mind, as it might help to write out exactly what you're feeling, and then you can look back at it for a new perspective. Do not doubt your mind, and fear not; it's hard to reach a stage of enlightenment when you're so consumed by the fear and doubt that lingers. Put your faith to good use. ~

[DannyMan]

Whoa! Hold on a minute. He literally revolutionized a country with his music? Any credible resources you all can point me to?

Here's some fecal matter:


Fela and his band, renamed "Africa '70" returned to Nigeria. He then formed the Kalakuta Republic, a commune, a recording studio and a home for many connected to the band which he later declared independent from the Nigerian state.
In 1974 the police arrived with a search warrant and a cannabis joint, which they had intended to plant on Fela. He became wise to this and swallowed the joint. In response, the police took him into custody and waited to examine his feces. Fela enlisted the help of his prison mates and gave the police someone else's feces, and Fela was freed. He then recounted this tale in his release Expensive Shit.
In 1977 Fela and the Afrika 70 released the hit album Zombie, a scathing attack on Nigerian soldiers using the "zombie" metaphor to describe the methods of the Nigerian military. The album was a smash hit with the people and infuriated the government, setting off a vicious attack against the Kalakuta Republic, during which one thousand soldiers attacked the commune.
He formed his own political party, which he called "Movement of the People". In 1979 he put himself forward for President in Nigeria's first elections for more than a decade but his candidature was refused.Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fela_Kuti

More websites:

http://www.ibiblio.org/felakuti/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/profiles/kutifela.shtml


He's an interesting guy...and his music is fucking f-u-n-k-y!



On Fela's release he divorced his twelve remaining wives.

BWAH!

[wonderbear]

you have to write on THREE influential people? exactly what depth are we looking for here? kiddie-pool? i also have a distaste for the "three most" thinking; this silly american listing of who's better than everybody else; a much better topic would be to write something about one influential person and who/how they have influenced

but none of that helps you.....................

[wonderbear]

Che Guevara

i'll go with che FTW; fun topic, you can just rent "motorcycle diaries" read a few wiki's and wing the rest :)

MLK is also clearly a great one, but quite obvious, you'll have MLK on everyone's list (for good reason!)

ohhh.................i've got a great one.......ready????/...........












......................miles davis






....blow baby

[Ganj]

Even if the thoughts be those of doubt and uncertainty--you insist on writing them down? Even of those thoughts take you away from the sensation of enlightenment? I can't describe the feeling I had just experienced. It was comfort, yet slightly obscured. Like breaking through a threshold. And yet, I couldn't feel completed. A void still lay dormant in my mind and in my essence. Either I couldn't accept that perhaps another hasn't reached a stage of enlightenment and I have or vice versa? You're certainly helping me to understand all of this better, but I feel I need more. And maybe it's the sub-conscious void rather than just a lack of information? I suppose I'm looking for affirmation in myself through you. I'm hoping that you can tell me I've been enlightened and have it done with, while deep down I know that can't be true. I have no faith in myself. I'm too dependent on others to guide me through, because my mind leads me right where I began my journey:Suspicion. Anger. Deceit.

And what to make of this urge I explain to you? It is just that. An empty love. Is it empty because the two souls are not connected? Or can one soul be connected and the other be oblivious to the feeling?

Forgive my inquisitions. This holds a great deal of importance to me. And I thank you for your guidance.

[wonderbear]

I have to write about three people and I'm a little uncertain how I want to approach the essay

pick one obvious crusader like MLK
one obvious villian like that mex maffia candidate
and one person no one has ever heard of just to piss off your teacher.











..............man i hated highschool............... :)

[wonderbear]

Britney Spears

that's courageous

[wonderbear]

I'm not educated enough on these great men and women who've revolutionized the way societies thinks as a majority. It's sad, I know

then educate your damn self foo! or did you think that was the teacher's job? :pimp:

[wonderbear]

She's just another moron leading the slaves down the path of conformity and all that is against revolution and free thought

and that's not influential? he couldn't speak about conformity and the evils of popular society? or does morrison have all the answers? don't bash the kid; you're pissin me off a tad

[wonderbear]

Ahh (sigh of relief), observe this soul who's graced me with his kind words. Although if it had not of been for the cruel ones before we might not have had this connection. I've found a website that epitomizes this revolution of mind (that phrase has grown on me recently). I get stuck, man. Somewhere between thought that I cannot let go of and enlightenment, yet when I feel my foot in the door it is slammed shut and I pummel deep into the fiery chasm from whence I came.

I have this horrible habit of over-analyzing things (like most of society). I've come to the agreement that I'm indeed afraid to let go of thought, as if I'm losing something when I do. Even though I realize that all I'm losing is the restraint the thought presents itself with such great influence that it's almost impossible to avoid. And again, I'm thrown into the vast universe of the mind.

That song by Jim Morrison, The Universal Mind. Would thought be what he was trying to capture with that song? You can see, now as can I when I fall back into thought.

Here's the website: http://www.theosophical.org/theosophy/questmagazine/janfeb02/johnson/index.html

P.S. Surely you still have difficulties remaining enlightened. I have friends who think they've reached this stage of enlightenment, yet when I'm around them they fall back into the realms of thought. Upon arrival they persecute me for having sent them there. What gives, man?

edit: i changed my mind, go ahead and rip on him :)

editx2: oh mercy, y'all need to get over yourselves

[Its a Plant]

wonderbear - - button that lip and try to downsize all these one-sentence nonsense posts into one larger one, eh? There is such a thing as multiple quotes in one post. Learn it . . . 'cuz you're pissin' me off a tad.

I mentioned Morrison b/c Ganj originally asked for someone who led via "a revelation of the mind." And the last time I checked, Jim was the frontman for a society that was in need of a fresh way of thinking, and a way to let loose and explore their own minds.

Ganj - - I think you might find a few whom you have connected with that might not share your same feeling, but do not be discouraged. I think it also might be a subconscious void that you spoke of, so in that sense, try some meditation followed by some soul searching.

You say you have no faith in yourself, yet you seem to be very good at identifying your problem, which will help in finding your answer. At least you know what you're looking for. Some wander for years and come up short in the end. I feel you are on the right path. You indeed do have a faith. I sense a hidden faith in you - - that what you believe is good and pure and love will flourish in the end. I would say that you are indeed very well along the road to enlightenment, but do not get discouraged - - the faith will come. Now you have to see it, whenever that may be.

I'm having some difficulty trying to word how "two souls might or might not be connected," and I'm sure it's because I'm very tired at this point. I'll get back to you after a refreshing night's sleep. Until then, take care. ~

[IanCurtisWishlist]

just dont do abbie hoffman. that guy was a paranoid psychotic with delusions of grandeur. where the fuck is your revolution abbie hoffman? or did you only know how to say fuck every 6 words??????

[JR77]

Just as an afterthought...you don't have to be VERY educated to read up on the major and more general influences of Martin Luther King........just research up on him a little bit and you will get his main points rather easily! Of course smoke a blunt first! :)

[Ganj]

wonderbear - - button that lip and try to downsize all these one-sentence nonsense posts into one larger one, eh? There is such a thing as multiple quotes in one post. Learn it . . . 'cuz you're pissin' me off a tad.

I mentioned Morrison b/c Ganj originally asked for someone who led via "a revelation of the mind." And the last time I checked, Jim was the frontman for a society that was in need of a fresh way of thinking, and a way to let loose and explore their own minds.

Ganj - - I think you might find a few whom you have connected with that might not share your same feeling, but do not be discouraged. I think it also might be a subconscious void that you spoke of, so in that sense, try some meditation followed by some soul searching.

You say you have no faith in yourself, yet you seem to be very good at identifying your problem, which will help in finding your answer. At least you know what you're looking for. Some wander for years and come up short in the end. I feel you are on the right path. You indeed do have a faith. I sense a hidden faith in you - - that what you believe is good and pure and love will flourish in the end. I would say that you are indeed very well along the road to enlightenment, but do not get discouraged - - the faith will come. Now you have to see it, whenever that may be.

I'm having some difficulty trying to word how "two souls might or might not be connected," and I'm sure it's because I'm very tired at this point. I'll get back to you after a refreshing night's sleep. Until then, take care. ~

Still remains my feelings of indifference toward thought. I perceived enlightenment to be a liberation of some kind. Yet, I'm still plagued by background noise. It's constant and I can accept it, but I don't know how to address this noise. I do not want to fall back to the stream of thoughts that consumed me before. And I do not want to ignore them reason being my thoughts are what has brought me to my senses. I'm cowardly when inquiries storm my mind. Avoidant almost. But I feel by avoiding them that I'm essentially avoiding myself. I'm stirred right now. Slap a sticker on my that says, "Don't drop. Fragile."

[Ganj]

How easily I'm sidetracked! Thank you all for your suggestions.

[Ganj]

It's a Plant, I do not believe my ego is hindering me from love. I restrain no emotion, instead it is nothing more than a faint thought. I will tell a man and woman that I love...if only I could.

[Its a Plant]

So instead you're simply looking for love, and feeling discouraged because it's aimlessly floating about with no real direction rather than on an individual(s)? Am I kind of understanding this right? My advice would be to press on, with the love you possess, and your time will come. Everyone's does. Just not all at once. ~

[smoke it]

ghandi