Drinking and Driving

[beachbum00]

just wondering how you guys/gals feel about drinking and driving... i personally and dead against it mainly because a relative of mine was hit by a drunk driver and lost a leg ... but also i feel like if your gonna party its kool as long as ur not endangering anyone else...idk anyone else got any thoughts??

[NightProwler]

yea ypou should never let anyone drive drunk

[TallulahGreen]

I think it is a pretty fuckin' stupid thing to do. I used to do it like in high school, not ever super drunk..but looking back I was an idiot. I would never do it now, however some of my friends do it...and it kind of sucks because if I am drunk enough I will let them drive, and that is stupid. Drunk Driving is STUPID and you are ALWAYS endangering somebody else.

[MaryJaneScott]

drinking and driving are two wonderful things...
but NEVER together.
:)

[higher4hockey]

i have a thought on boozin an cruisin. there are two types of drinking and driving, first the bad kind. when you get shitty wasted at a bar or a party, and then you get behind the wheel. those nights seem to have bad endings. but if you start drinking while you're driving, then it seems to be much easier to control. for some reason it seems easier to drive when you're just starting your buzz out. and its a lot easier to know when you've had enough and its time to park it.

[zephyrinne]

Drinking and driving while you're completely shitfaced = not ok. shit sucks. don't do it.. had a couple friends killed and a couple months ago, a friend got hit by a drunk driver, had his foot amputated. Strange thing is, I knew the drunk driver too.

But I'll admit, if I've had 3-4 beers (which would technically put me over the legal limit on BAC), I'll drive. I'd pass a field sobriety test perfect, although my BAC may be over .08. But with 4 beers, I'm not even drunk. And there are tons of people out there that say/know the same.

Might get flamed for that, but hey, might as well be honest. :)

[Dro_Princess]

I am 100% against it. My parents were in a drunk driving accident when I was a child. They survived it but sad to say the passanger of the other car did not and the driver is a vegtable. If you want to put your self in danger that is fine but putting other people at risk is wrong. If you come to my house and there is going to be drinking I take everyones keys. And since I dont drink I will take you where you need to go.

[weedmaster]

i am dead against drink drivin if u want to kill yourself fair enough ,but 9/10 it ends up u killin somebody else,its not fair on others

[BobBong]

It's in the same category as toking and driving...
It's unsafe, so don't do it.

Bob.

[T®auma]

Yea drinking and driving is not a good thing. There is really no reason to ever do it.

[Esmada]

I have a friend who drank and drove. She is a rally driver, so one should think she knew better. Anyways. She had her best friend with her. A really nice boy. The story is that she drove of the road and killed her best friend. She spendt 4 months in jaill and has to live with the fackt that she killed her friend. You cant divide drinking and driving into different categorys. If you have consumed alckohole you should not get behind the wheel at all. Beeing alowed to drive a car is a privelege. Driving when drunk is just beeing disrespectfull to others and those who love you. Alcohole messes with your abillity to take the right choises even at small doses. Please dont drink and drive. Everone is a rolemodell, think about that. There is always someone that looks up to you wether you realize it or not.

[TallulahGreen]

Did I just see someone say that it is better to drink while you're driving? OH PLEASE, that is the biggest bunch of bullshit ever. You think your going to be okay at driving just because you have been drinking while driving? The only reason it seems better is because you don't really notice how fucked up you get because you are gradually doing it and staying used to it. I don't understand peoples comments saying, I am against it but if you want to do it go ahead and put yourself in danger. Thats not how it works, if you drink and drive you are not only putting yourself in danger but all of us. Don't drink and drive.

...although I admit, I will smoke and drive...

[higher4hockey]

^ i will smoke and drive...what a hypocrite.

[buddymyfriend]

It's in the same category as toking and driving...
It's unsafe, so don't do it.

Bob.

I'm glad someone brought that up! Anything alters your mind is bad news when behind the wheel!

Peace

Buddy

[johnnyAKABob]

dont drink and drive, smoke and fly

[friendowl]

i seen a man get hit by a old thunderbird
at about 80 mph.
he bounced off my friends windshield
and flew into the sky
he landed about 15 yards away
i was in the car behind
there was so much blood
it was running thru the street
and flowing into the gutter
it was a horrififc scene
i can still see it in my head clearly

[royalHIGHness]

I used to do drink and drive ALL the time....and used to think I was THE SHIT at it....until i wrecked my NEEEW car..........only got charged with possession because they didnt wanna send me to jail.....im just happy to be alive and that i didnt hurt anyone else......taking the experience as a LESSON now IM TOTALLY AGAINST IT.....

[LazySmoking420]

^ i will smoke and drive...what a hypocrite.

What's the big deal? What's wrong with smoking and driving?

I've smoke and drive everyday. I drive better when I have a joint in my hand and takin tokes.

Remeber Cannabis increases your senses, Of sight, touch, smell, taste, and hearing. Beer is the drug that fucks up all thoughs senses..

So to say she is a hypocrite because she smokes some weed and drives is not a researched comment.

Sure some cannot drive under cannabis but a lot can...It's not a big deal like drinking...

TRUST ME...not even in the same ball park.

[friendowl]

if you smoke th eweed i have at the moment
i bet you would not even attempt to drive
some weeds really do fuck with perception
not a great idea to be driving the streets
but on cheap ass weed it aint no thing

[LazySmoking420]

Don't feed the propaganda bro...lol

I guess one should know there limit...sounds like it'd be one hit and down with your weed to get to the right point. A little cig to go along with.

I just love driving around late at night on cannabis. I love it. It really is a fun time. If you have control over your body.

[stinkyattic]

I drive better when I have a joint in my hand and takin tokes.

Remeber Cannabis increases your senses, Of sight, touch, smell, taste, and hearing..

...but certainly not your response time.
You just THINK you drive better stoned. Trust me, that's the weed talking.

[Dutch Masta]

I wish more people would understand the dangers of drunk driving. I think one of the main reasons the attempts to educate people on the dangers of it fail so bad, is because in reality it becomes a display of weakness in masculinity, expecially with strong levels of intoxication to influence all these decisions. People aroung here drive drunk like its no big deal around here.

[T®auma]

dont drink and drive, smoke and fly

I like it!

[LazySmoking420]

...but certainly not your response time.
You just THINK you drive better stoned. Trust me, that's the weed talking.

I cant believe I'm getting this from a weed message board.

Has anyone hear driven under weed? All I said is, It isn't as bad as drinking.

I hot box, if that's a cannabis crime, I'm guilty as charged.

[Dutch Masta]

I cant believe I'm getting this from a weed message board.

Has anyone hear driven under weed? All I said is, It isn't as bad as drinking.

I hot box, if that's a cannabis crime, I'm guilty as charged.

I think driving under the influence of marijuana is extremely common. But only because its illegal in the first place, so people are driving around either looking for a place to smoke or blazing in their cars.

But yes, that definitely is a crime! So be careful. Cop pulls you over, the car REEKS of marijuana, you get busted, possiblly get your license suspended, get put on probation, and get drug tests and you get fucked. Not to mention the heavy charges, time, confisgation of weed, and the record that goes along with it. Be smart :thumbsup:

[LazySmoking420]

I think driving under the influence of marijuana is extremely common. But only because its illegal in the first place, so people are driving around either looking for a place to smoke or blazing in their cars.

But yes, that definitely is a crime! So be careful. Cop pulls you over, the car REEKS of marijuana, you get busted, possiblly get your license suspended, get put on probation, and get drug tests and you get fucked. Not to mention the heavy charges, time, confisgation of weed, and the record that goes along with it. Be smart :thumbsup:


The above post is fill with WISDOM! For the most part I cant smoke at my place. I also think people feel safe in their cars. The people that cant find a safe place are better off blazin and "blending in" on the road.

Thanks for the post.

[higher4hockey]

What's the big deal? What's wrong with smoking and driving?

I've smoke and drive everyday. I drive better when I have a joint in my hand and takin tokes.

Remeber Cannabis increases your senses, Of sight, touch, smell, taste, and hearing. Beer is the drug that fucks up all thoughs senses..

So to say she is a hypocrite because she smokes some weed and drives is not a researched comment.

Sure some cannot drive under cannabis but a lot can...It's not a big deal like drinking...

TRUST ME...not even in the same ball park.



not a researched comment eh ? in that case:

evidence shows that the ability to perform complex tasks, such as driving can be strongly impaired while under the influence of marijuana (goldstein 1994; mathias 1996). Research indicates, "cannabis consumption impairs motor coordination, reaction time, sensory perceptions and glare recovery" (Teen challenge 2000, p. 1). This effect has been demonstrated in laboratory assessments of driving-related skills such as eye-hand coordination and reaction time, in driver simulator studies, in test course persformance, and in actual street driving situations (chait and pierri 1992; mathias 1996; teen challenge 2000). Another study tested the effects of known amounts of marijuana, alcohol, or both on driving. the subjects drove a course rigged with various traffic problems. there was a definite deterioration in driving skills among those who had used either drug, but the greatest deterioration was observed in subjects who had taken both. in another test, 59 subjects smoked marijuana until they were intoxicated and then given sobriety tests on the roadside by highway patrol officers. overall, 94% of the subjects did not pass the test 90 minutes after smoking, and 60 % failed at 150 minutes, even though the blood thc was much lower at this time (hollister 1986). other studies on driving show this same inability to drive for as long as 12 to 24 hours after marijuana use.


i'm not saying that drinking and driving is a good thing, but what i am saying , is that if you start out drinking while you're driving, you can tell when you're past the limit of safe driving. just the same with weed, if you start driving when you're smoked out of your gourd its not the same as just taking a few drags.

[jamstigator]

Drinking and driving is what killed my mom. I was in the car too. It was freaking scary, and I have barely spoken to one sister for 30 years because of that night -- she had a date and even though she knew my mom was too drunk to drive, because I told her in case she'd gone blind, she still let us drive off so she wouldn't miss her date.

My mom was swerving into the oncoming lane. I begged her to just pull over, but she ignored me. Hell, she was so fucked up I'm not even sure she HEARD me, even though I was on the verge of screaming. I tried to figure out how to FORCE the car to a stop, safely, from the passenger seat, but I couldn't figure out any way to do it that wouldn't seriously enhance our odds of dying. So, I did the only thing I could, and it saved my life: I crawled into the back seat and started praying.

A few seconds later my mom just veered to the right, off the road. I started really screaming then. I think I screamed 'Moooooooom!', so that was the last thing she heard. The car bounced across a parking lot full of concrete tire stops at around 50 mph then plowed head-on into a wooden telephone pole, cracking it in half and throwing the upper portion halfway across the street. The lower part of the telephone pole, basically a stump, sheered the car down the middle and ended up not far from the back seat area, around where the emergency brake normally is. My mom died instantly, they told me later, the steering wheel embedded in her chest. It crushed her heart, and after the impact I didn't ever again hear her make a sound or move; I think she was gone that fast.

In the back of the car, my mom had kept some cinder blocks to stabilize it in the winter. (It was a 1972 Ford Pinto, incidentally, one of the least safe cars ever built by the human race.) Anyway, the impact threw these cinder blocks forward, and some of those did hit me pretty hard, so I was rather beaten up and bruised, but amazingly nothing was broken. Climbing into the back seat saved my life, absolutely, because the passenger seat in the front, that area was just compressed Pinto after the crash.

The metal frame of the driver seat had bent forward from the impact, and I was too young, small and weak to budge it, but I tried, because I didn't know my mom was dead at that point (although looking at the totally destroyed car, a little voice in my mind said it was probable). Since I couldn't waken my mom, and I couldn't bend the seat back to its normal position to free her, I climbed out of the wreckage.

Passing by, a woman, schoolteacher, saw the accident and she pulled up and got out and came to me. I think SHE knew my mom was dead, but she was calm and gentle and told me to get in her car and she'd get me to a hospital and get help for my mom. I never knew her name, that teacher, because after she got me to the hospital and my family started showing up, she disappeared, like a superhero or something.

Wow, feels good to tell that story once in a while. Sorry for rambling on. I wrote that story once, probably better, for Advanced English Comp in college. My teacher broke down in tears reading it, right in front of the class, just sitting at her desk and crying. Got a good grade for that! ;)

Anyway, drinking and driving is bad...m'kay?

[friendowl]

damn bro
what a story
sobered me up quick

sorry to hear that

[FireyBudBurner]

Seriously I used to delivery Italian food to people ripped off my ass. The paranoia keeps you on the edge of your seat and paying attention. In fact I drive better blazed because I pay much more attention to the road and not everything else. If you have serious delayed reaction time from weed smoking you don't smoke enough to be driving high. Driving high is an absolute non issue for us heavy smokers who can handle it.

Don't get behind the wheel and drive if you get all wacked out on weed once in a blue moon*

[LazySmoking420]

not a researched comment eh ? in that case:

evidence shows that the ability to perform complex tasks, such as driving can be strongly impaired while under the influence of marijuana (goldstein 1994; mathias 1996). Research indicates, "cannabis consumption impairs motor coordination, reaction time, sensory perceptions and glare recovery" (Teen challenge 2000, p. 1). This effect has been demonstrated in laboratory assessments of driving-related skills such as eye-hand coordination and reaction time, in driver simulator studies, in test course persformance, and in actual street driving situations (chait and pierri 1992; mathias 1996; teen challenge 2000). Another study tested the effects of known amounts of marijuana, alcohol, or both on driving. the subjects drove a course rigged with various traffic problems. there was a definite deterioration in driving skills among those who had used either drug, but the greatest deterioration was observed in subjects who had taken both. in another test, 59 subjects smoked marijuana until they were intoxicated and then given sobriety tests on the roadside by highway patrol officers. overall, 94% of the subjects did not pass the test 90 minutes after smoking, and 60 % failed at 150 minutes, even though the blood thc was much lower at this time (hollister 1986). other studies on driving show this same inability to drive for as long as 12 to 24 hours after marijuana use.


i'm not saying that drinking and driving is a good thing, but what i am saying , is that if you start out drinking while you're driving, you can tell when you're past the limit of safe driving. just the same with weed, if you start driving when you're smoked out of your gourd its not the same as just taking a few drags.


Dont believe what the goverment tells you....

From NORML.com

"Scientific studies on marijuana and driving fail to support the notion that marijuana poses a significant public highway safety hazard, according to evidence compiled by NORML.

In particular, the evidence fails to support proposals by marijuana opponents to impose tough new "zero-tolerance" standards for driving under the influence of marijuana or to disallow on-site use in medical cannabis clubs out of fear for driving safety.

In general, the evidence shows that marijuana is a lesser traffic hazard than alcohol or other drugs. Marijuana appears to be most dangerous in high doses, or when combined with alcohol. On the other hand, drivers with lower levels of marijuana have been found to be no more dangerous, and in some cases arguably safer, than other drivers.

NORML has recently issued a comprehensive report on drugged driving, drug testing, and driving under the influence laws, by its senior policy analyst, Paul Armentano [1]. The report disputes the rationale for proposed "zero tolerance" laws, in which the presence of any trace of marijuana in blood or urine is taken as per se proof of driving under the influence of drugs (DUID). Because marijuana can be detected in the system long after any impairment has passed, such laws wrongly misclassify many sober drivers as "intoxicated." Urine tests detect only non-psychoactive metabolites of marijuana, which linger in the system for days or even weeks after use. Blood tests can measure the major psychoactive ingredient of marijuana, THC, which provides a better but still inexact indicator of recent intoxication. Blood THC peaks within the first hour of intoxication, but can be detected at lower levels for a day or more in chronic users.

A growing body of scientific evidence shows that drivers with modest amounts of THC in their system are no more dangerous than other drivers. A 2002 review of seven separate crash culpability studies involving 7,934 drivers reported, "Crash culpability studies [which attempt to correlate the responsibility of a driver for an accident to his or her consumption of a drug and the level of drug compound in his or her system] have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes"[2].

Two other, new accident studies have failed to find any hazard from marijuana. A study of 1500+ patients admitted to a Midwest trauma center published in the Journal of Trauma Injury, Infection, and Critical Care found correlations between use of alcohol, cocaine and opiates with injuries [3 ]. However, their data did not show "any statistically significant independent associations between injury and cannabis," researchers told NORML. "(This) offers a strong rebuttal to the Drug Czar's misleading allegations implying that marijuana is a leading cause of ER admissions," says Armentano.

Another study of road trauma from the Netherlands, which detected the presence of drugs through urine as well as blood tests, found significantly higher accident risks for alcohol and benzodiazepines (prescription tranquilizers) and less certain risks for amphetamines, cocaine and opiates, but no increased risk for cannabis [4].

In the largest U.S. survey of drug use and driving accidents to date, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration found that alcohol was by far the "dominant problem." At the same time it found "no indication that marijuana by itself was a cause of fatal accidents"[5]. The report was delayed and not publicized because it failed to confirm the expectations of administration drug warriors."

I do admit that driving and smoking should been done with experienced users, When I was a newbi to the drug I couldnt drive either.

[higher4hockey]

touche!

i'm starting to lose track of our arguement, what exactly is it again that we're argueing? that being stoned is safer than being drunk behind the wheel?

[TallulahGreen]

Jamstigator, I am really sorry to hear that. That is really devastating and disturbing, I almost cried while reading it..I love my mom, she drinks and drives all the time; as she has done so my whole life. She always thinks shes fine to drive.

I smoke and drive all the time, mainly because I pretty much am stoned all the time. The only time I will smoke IN my car is on road trips or a long commute somewhere. Otherwise, I smoke at home, and only at home. Or other peoples houses, I don't have a problem finding a place to smoke, so I don't need to smoke and drive. Although I do remember the days....

I didn't start driving when I smoked until probably a good year or so of heavily smoking Marijuana. I didn't feel comfortable, now that I am a seriously chronic weed smoker...driving while stoned isn't anything really out of the ordinary. I have been driving for 5 years and never been in any kind of accident, in fact I do feel that when I am stoned and driving I am more aware of my surroundings and I do observe more.

[Mista Sippi]

drinkin and drivin is the SHIT! i tell you whats fun is get on the interstate and cut ya lights off and swang lane to lane. yeah, that's fuckin fun as FUCK!!!
but on a serious note, i have to say i drive better when i'm high. no delayed reaction, everything flows like water when you drive high. and i'm paranoid and more alert to everything around me. ain't nothing in the world like ridin through your hood chuckin up the deuce to ya boys while smokin a big fat ass blunt. seems like whenever i'm riding in my hood boys flag me down just to hit the blunt. nothing like mashin the lac up and down the jack while blowin a big sack.

[higher4hockey]

in that respect, if you've sort of worked your way up to feeling comfortable driving stoned, whats to say i can't do that with drinking ?

[TallulahGreen]

It's not even necassarily that I became more comfortable with driving stoned, it's that being stoned made me feel less fucked up than it used to. I used to get alot more stoned, to where I couldn't drive. Now I never get that stoned, and if by some weird chance I do...then I won't drive...but it is a very rare occurance.

You can't get used to driving drunk, being drunk totally impairs your judgement and perception....inhibitions, etc. YOU are fucked up, you don't even know if you could drive or not...thats why it's called being drunk, cause people are stupid when they are drunk. People get attitudes like they can do anything, or that they are invincible...you don't even know if you are okay to drive or not. Thats the thing about drunk driving.....

[buddymyfriend]

Jam, thanks for sharing bro. Sorry to hear of your loss.

Peace bro

Buddy

[FireyBudBurner]

Tallulah your totally right about not ever being able to drink and drive safely even with tolerance. A few beers is one thing. Sometimes if I smoke a lot of some real indica bud I won't drive because it can make you so tired. Driving tired is also a really bad move. GO CARDINALS

[TallulahGreen]

I will drive after 1 beer......but usually after 2 I don't even think it's okay for me to drive.

[Fengzi]

if you smoke th eweed i have at the moment
i bet you would not even attempt to drive
some weeds really do fuck with perception
not a great idea to be driving the streets
but on cheap ass weed it aint no thing

I'm with friendowl on this one. Me and my friends used to get high and drive around all the time, never a big deal. With the medical stuff I'm getting now though, no way I'd do it. 2 or 3 good hits and my mind is way to twisted to drive. If I had to choose between getting in a car with somebody drunk or somebody high, however, I'd definitely go with the high driver.



drinkin and drivin is the SHIT! i tell you whats fun is get on the interstate and cut ya lights off and swang lane to lane. yeah, that's fuckin fun as FUCK!!!
And I thought Mississippi was just filled with stupid hillbillies. I guess I overlooked this Nobel Prize candidate.

[FireyBudBurner]

Yea I'm not a big drinker and somedays that second beer can get you a real good buzz. Somedays you need to throw them back to get buzzed, which means your hurting the next day. I think hangovers and not being able to drive safely really make alcohol a big negative unless your partying. Not to mention the dumb shit that can come out of your mouth in front of friends and loved ones after one to many.

[TallulahGreen]

Well I drink everyday..I am just 110 pounds....3 beers and I'm half drunk. So 2 beers and I shouldn't drive.

[higher4hockey]

AUGGGGGGGHHHHHHH insanely frustrating. i've been drinking and driving a long time. and i CAN tell when i'm to the point that i shouldn't drive. also another thing, i'm not talking about cruising along eighty miles an hour on the freeway, when im drinking and driving i usually keep it under thirty, because i'm driving on back roads through the woods. i live in rural pa and i can drink all night long with a case of beer on the back roads and not see another person. if i'm out in town drinking at the bars, i never drive. but its not unusual for a few of us to grab a case and hit the back roads all night.

also ironically enough. i got a dui while i was stoned, i've never even been pulled over while i was drinking.

[weedmaster]

It's in the same category as toking and driving...
It's unsafe, so don't do it.

Bob.

SORRY BOB TOTALLY DISAGREE, I SMOKE ALL DAY EVERY DAY AND I KNOW I DRIVE BETTER THAN ALOT OF STRAIGHT PEOPLE,IF U DRANK ALL DAY I DOUBT U COULD EVEN WALK TO YOUR CAR,BUT I NO WHERE U COMIN FROM SOME PEOPLE HANDEL THE HERB DIFFERENT TO OTHERS

[higher4hockey]

how can all of you think that its ok to smoke and drive just because you do it all the time, and not think the same way about alcohol......im baffled. you all do realize that you're not a stumbling around drunken irishman after the first one right? there are different levels of intoxification when it comes to drinking , just the same as with smoking!!

[Fengzi]

how can all of you think that its ok to smoke and drive just because you do it all the time, and not think the same way about alcohol......im baffled. you all do realize that you're not a stumbling around drunken irishman after the first one right? there are different levels of intoxification when it comes to drinking , just the same as with smoking!!

You're right, there are different levels of intoxication when it comes to drinking. But I don't think people are talking about getting into a car after the first drink. It's that "I'm soo fuckin drunk" or even "Damn I got a really good buzz" state where people shouldn't be driving. If you go out to dinner and have a couple glasses of wine or a few beers it's not such a big deal(depending on your weight of course). But if you're drinking to get drunk, you shouldn't be driving. Period!